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Patreon episodes included when you sign up. For the last two weeks on True Crime
Garage, we ran a four-part series titled Killing Was Purposeful. Episodes 8:41 to
8:44. If you haven't listened to those yet, please go back before listening to this free edition of Off the Record.
Here we have the recordings of two interviews that were a big part of the research that we did on these cases.
Also, a shout out to Jessica Bettincourt, my friend over at the DNA ID podcast for all of her help. And a
shout out to Melissa Andrews, a fantastic news anchor and investigative journalist at
WT. These last two weeks, our feature true crime story focused primarily on two cases from Northwest Ohio.
One, the unsolved homicide case of Lorie Anne Hill. The other is a solved case with still a lot of questions remaining.
20-year-old Sierra Joan was killed by James Worley. This was proven in court with a mountain of evidence against
Worley that was found at the abduction site and at his property. Worley is a suspect in the Lorie Anne Hill case. The
state had to prove that the killing was purposeful before they could condemn Wley to the strictest and most severe of
punishments, the Ohio death penalty. And they did. Worley is a suspect in at least one outstanding homicide case. He
is the primary suspect in a case of another missing woman. The interviews that you are about to hear were
conducted recently and not prior to Warley's convictions. [Music] Hello. Hello, Jeremy. It's Nick. Yes.
Yes. How are you? Good. Are are you still with the Fulton County Sheriff's Office? This is Jeremy Simon with the
Fulton County Sheriff's Office. He was one of the K-9 units back in 2016 when Sierra went
missing. He was kind enough to join me on speaker phone. Yes, I I retired in 21, but I've stayed on part-time and
I've I've actually come back to work for court security. You had a good amount of experience by
the time this case pops up in 2016. Yes, I had probably about 25 years at least. Were you were you in any form
aware of this James Worley before the Sierra case? Yeah, I was actually James Worley lived
up in the northeast part of our county um right around the this the Dela Swanton area. I also grew up not too far
from there. And James Worley went to the same high school I went to. Uh he went to the same high school as my family. My
uncle was about the same age. So I was well aware of James Worley growing up. Did you have any idea of what kind of
person he really was? No, he No, he did his own little thing. I don't ever remember him really
working. He did a small engine repair. Um, lived with his mom. Always always lived in that house that I knew of. Um,
I did and then I knew of him a little bit before I got on the sheriff's office, but then it was after we got on
the I got on the sheriff's office I really got to know him more. I guess it looks like he was looked at in
consideration for the disappearance of Claudia Tinsley. Yes, I do remember that. Um, I was not a
part of that one. Uh, but I was aware of what was going on there. There was a couple other ones that that he they were
looking into him for other things, but I I wasn't involved with that. I was just
a road unit at that time. I believe that was actually a Toledo PD case because she lived in Toledo and was Yes. last
seen with him but ne never seen again. Yes. The mom actually from what I remember of that the
mom just had a bad feeling that night and she's the one that got actually the information the plate number or
something that kind of pointed the investigators to him at that point in regard to the Sierra case. When do you
come onto the scene? Well, what how I got involved is I was working that afternoon. I was on my second K9 with
the sheriff's office at that time. I had a sergeant that was working second shift
with me. I was I think I was on a split shift like at 8 at night till 4 in the morning cuz the canines we kind of just
floated around and did different you know different shifts. Uh depends on where we were
needed. At that point I was on a 8 at night till 4 in the morning when I got the call from my sergeant asking me if
my dog would be able to track a bike. Um, I asked him a bike. I mean, explain it more. And he he said that they had a
a an early 20s female that was last seen riding her bike along county road, one of the
county roads. I said, "Well, the dog is if she was on the road, the dog's not going to be able to pick anything up
from the the scent, but the scent will fall and stick to the sides of the roads." And then he he went on to
explain that she had been missing. Well, her mom reported says she hasn't been able to find her in a few
hours. At that point, my mind went to she got hit by a car or something happened that she's laying alongside the
road. Actually, I was 2 miles south of Jim Worley's house when I got this call. Um, I was on
6-1 and K. I went over to six, went north by Jim Worley's house to our county road
T just to see if I could see her because my sergeant said the mom was frantic. It's not like this girl. And then she
wanted the helicopter. She wanted FBI. She wanted everybody called. I asked who the mom was and when he said Sheila
Vaculic and went to school with Sheila, she was a year or two behind me in school. So I knew her from high school.
I said, "Let me go talk to her. I'll see, but I'll check the area real quick. That's how I got involved.
Were you present when they discovered Sierra's bicycle? Yeah. Um, what happened there is I went
up um I went to I went up six. It was getting to be dark about that time. I went up six to T. I turned left.
I went down. I seen Sierra's uh grandfather. He was looking and I knew him. and we talked a little bit and he
says something's not right. He was walking alongside the road. Then I went a little bit further the next mile and I
run into Howard Ice, which was Sierra's uncle. Um, at that time I didn't really know him. After I talked to him a
minute, he explained what he was doing. I went up to State Route 109. I turned around. I come back looking and I did
not see anything along the way. When I turned on to County Road 6 heading north towards Sierra's house, uh, I had my
spotlights on on each side of my patrol car just to give me extra light. That's when I noticed there was a break where
they the farmer, he went in and he did his end rows off, but he lifted the machine, the
planter up before he got to the road. So, there was a open spot that was not planted. It was on the east side of the
road. I noticed a uh a broken corn stalk. Now, I grew up on a farm and I was in many of corn fields growing up as
a kid. A broken corn stalk in July catches my attention because they're very strong stocks. They don't
break down. They won't bend over or break like they do in in October when it when the stalks dies off and dries out
and becomes a little more brittle. Um, so at that point I stopped my patrol car. It was about halfway through the
mile. I got out. I walked over to look at that cornstalk to see if there was anything over there. That's when I I
smelled gasoline. I went into the corn field about 5 to 10 ft. That's when I noticed that there was a set of I don't
I couldn't even tell. It's probably 10 to 15 feet long of corn stalks that were methodically pressed over with your
foot. They're all laying in the same direction just to open that area up a little bit. That's when I noticed there
was footprints, tire marks, uh there was a screwdriver, some fusies, like something fell out of a bag of something
that is laying there. It wasn't there all summer. It was it was freshly there. I backed out of that. I contacted my
supervisor at that point, my sergeant, and I told him, "Look, you need to get people out here because I think I found
something. I haven't quite found everything yet. And as I was talking to him, that's when I looked over and I
seen the bike. I was looking to the west side of the road with my flashlight, just kind of looking around. That's when
the reflector from a bike hit me. It caught my attention. The newspapers, they often describe the bicycle as it
looked like it was shoved back into the corn stalks. Was that the observation you made? It it it was it was in the
corn a few rows like it was hidden but it was if I remember correctly it was st still standing
up. Um after looking a little further into it the corn stalks on the west side of
the road appeared to be disheveled like they were like there was some type of scuffle going on. They were some were
broken down some were broken halfway off. Some were laying east, west, north, south. They were in different
directions. Then then there was a sock laying there. Then that's when I pretty much backed out. I mean, I yelled a few
times. My sergeant arrived at that time. Um, we were yelling in there to see if we could hear anything cuz it's very
quiet out there, you know, after dark and you can hear a lot. There was no sounds whatsoever. We pretty much shut
the road down at that point and that's when BCI Bureau of Criminal Investigations come in. The sheriff
arrived, the FBI and everybody come in at that point. And we have hindsight to help us out to deduce what we believe
took place at that scene. But I'm guessing the the gas odor, the smell of gas is coming from hely laid the bike
down. Yes, that's that's what we figure. Yes, it's thought that he may have rode past her and then lie and wait
to ambush her as she continued on that county road. That is correct. I believe what what it was is we believe that he
passed her, went north on six, pulled the bike off in that little pulloff. That's when he laid
the cornstalks over so he could pull his bike in there. whether it fell down in the soft dirt or he laid it down. That's
where he said that he had mechanical issues and he hid the bike so no so he could go get his truck and come back and
get it later. He's at some point seen on a camera. Was it the camera from the high school? Yes. Evergreen High School
is set about a mile and a half south of the scene and this would have been County Road just south of S and US 20.
Worly lived on six I'm going to say two and a half miles south of the high school. Some reports state that there
were blood on the stocks or some blood on the stocks. Was that was that obvious to to you guys or or was that something
that only after BCI comes in that they find? No, we could we could see the blood on the stalks. Um I didn't see a
lot. I mean, but there was enough there that that would cons it was concerning. Yes.
And were you present when they served the search warrant at his home? Because that's always kind of reported very
strange where it says they that you guys got a search warrant for his property. But it also says, well, he was
cooperative and and let them into the home and walked them out to the barn. But cooperative, you can take that for
what you will because if there's a warrant, you guys are going to execute. That's that's correct. Um, at the time
that they spoke with him the first time, uh, well, let me back up. Later that morning, it was about by the time FBI
and BCI got there, I remained at the scene and logged people in and out. Um, as day broke, the FBI, they asked me
about what about the helmet? I said there was no helmet. Well, prior to me getting to the scene,
a lo the local farmer was taking his son to the Dairy Queen to get an ice cream cone and they were checking fields. They
see this helmet laying along the road, not not knowing that it was part of a crime scene. They stop, pick it up, and
throw in the back of the pickup, and then they travel on. So, it wasn't until morning when the farmer heard about
this, he comes back and says, "This is what I found." So that's where we the helmet come into play along there. When
you start your investigation, you start small and you kind of keep opening up that
circle. Um, one of the the major Smith Meyer uh who investigated it, he was very familiar with Jim Worley cuz he
lived a half a mile away from him growing up and they went and talked to him and at that point he was very very
open. I I've heard some interviews he basically let him into his house. He had a talk with him. I think the the comment
was similar to he made was you're hear about my motorcycle helmet, you know, I mean, so he and he like he left it
there. Well, I dropped it or whatever. So, I mean, he kind of placed himself right there at the
scene and and his his statement is he went back to recover the motorcycle with his truck, but doesn't seem to add up
that it it just so happens this all happened at the same place where her bicycles found and all these other items
that he left at that spot. He he failed to retrieve those. That is correct. The screwdriver and stuff like that. He
tried explaining it to that. He was working on the bike and that stuff was left there. But yeah, it's downright
scary, Jeremy, to review this and think about he was probably at that spot for a
good amount of time. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, the way it looked is she didn't go without a fight.
Um the sad part was is she was within a quarter of a mile of her house. M and a lot of people that live in the in big
cities and such will not be able to have a great comprehension of this particular area. I can't imagine that
there was any level of traffic that evening. No, I mean it's very very minimal. Um at
that time uh it's a big farming community. you have large corn fields. Um, and I'll be honest with you though,
for somebody that's never been in a corn field to go three rows in, you can be pretty
inconspicuous, people can drive by you and nobody would see you. Um, if you were to go 10 to 12 rows in, it gets
very quiet because you're surrounded by the corn. Um, it it's a very big it's a down a sound detoner that I mean
somebody could be in the middle of a cornfield and scream. People get lost in cornfields all the time. You know, the
kids get out there and they they they lose their way. They don't realize that they followed the same
keep going in the Yeah. Keep going. Yeah. Keep going in the same direction. Don't turn around. Right. People panic.
And but when you get out in the middle there, I mean it it the the temperature will raise in and in in the summer when
the corn is growing, it produces a heat. There's moisture in there. It's very quiet and it's it's hard to walk through
because you got the stalks. They're like a fiberglass, you know, they got they're
sharp. They can be sharp and they they they'll scrape you when you go through there. So, but it's a very big down
sound deadener when they go in there. Orley's mother at some point is moved to a nursing home and and it's it
technically is her property as I understand it. Was she moved to a nursing home before this abduction or
was that something that took place after? No, that's something that took place after we took control of the property to
do the investigation. She was there, but I think they they moved her out where they and I think at that point is when
they moved her to the nursing home. Uh his brother who had a mental handicap also lived on the property in a mobile
home behind the house. I believe he was allowed to stay there, but he ended up moving into an apartment into one of the
neighboring towns. Did you go through the barn? Uh I I was in the barn uh only to help
remove some items for evidence. I did not go through it myself. No, it's often described that as that there was like a
secret room in the barn, but I I that description to me I I don't know what to make of that.
Well, yes. Um, it was made out of a there was bales of hay stacked up that they had created created like a false
wall. Yes. Um, there was also a freezer, a full-size chest freezer buried in the ground. They had
carpeting in it and stuff like that. He he spent a an alarming amount of time outfitting this barn. Absolutely.
something that you normally would not have in a barn for animals or for to to store hay in. The
investigation into Warley moved pretty quickly. I mean, he's he's all this mountain of evidence that's found at his
home and then at the abduction scene. How long after how long after uh Fulton County is talking to
Warley that the the bury site the burial site is found. I want to say if I remember correctly
that was about a week. Um from the time we got this case I knew I I had bought some property in Indiana and I had to go
close on it. Uh it was on the lake. This was it. This was during the week that this incident occurred. Um, I had a
couple days off that I had to take to go do this in Indiana. While I was in Indiana,
my another sergeant called me and basically said at that point, it was over the weekend that they arrested Jim
Worley in this. So, I mean, within a few days, they had him pinned as a as a suspect. They started combing and they
had people out looking looking for sites. I don't believe it it was much over a week if it was before they found
the site. Did Did they Did they find the physical site or was there something that led them to that location?
Um there was a farmer that it was his field. He I don't know if he was out or they were just out looking and they
found something odd where there was a uh somebody tried digging a hole on the one
side of the road. Didn't get very far cuz the it must have been the ground was too hard. Mhm. Then they switched
locations, but once they found the one site, that's when they went across. They started combing out or scoping the area
and found the second site. But the FBI did also have they have they have uh planes out that can fly over and
tell you if the there's the disturbance in the dirt or if there's you know from a cornfield standpoint looking at it
from the road you're not going to see much if it's 200 ft in from an airplane you can look down and see where
everything's knocked down is probably responsible for other I mean we have unsolved
female homicides in that area dating back to the to 1980s. And it's been difficult especially for
that area the further you go back because the Cook brothers were around for a period of time committing similar
crimes. But yes, but I every law enforcement officer that I've spoke to from the area is pretty convinced that
Warley is guilty of one or two more. probably the Claudia Tinsley case and then then maybe another
Well, exactly. Um there was a girl by the name of Laurian Hill. Yeah. From Swanton. Um she she would have been this
would have been the mid to late 80s. It's you unfortunately it's not uncommon. We're a rural area. Um we have
a lot of wooded areas. We have a lot of fields. Uh hunters find stuff a lot out here
when they're out hunting or doing what they're doing. Farmers do as well. Um but the thing is is when you have people
from like Toledo, the Cook brothers, they think they come out here to Fulton County, it's no man's land, and they can
hide a body and it's gone forever. Mhm. Which it's it's probably less likely to be found right
away out here. You know, we're when we're farming and you taking the fields out or in the fall during hunting
season, that's whenever you we find a lot of this stuff or if people are just out walking. But that's you know it by
that time the evidence a lot of the evidence has kind of broke down. But uh yeah, I mean and and going back to
Worly, the the I want to say this had to be 84, 85 because she would have been about the same age as I am. Uh she was
like 15 at the time. Her body was found north of Wasion. I don't exactly remember where, but that was that was at
that point. And then Jim Worley was also convicted of another attempted abduction in White House. I believe
Robin Gardner. Yes. And and her her story was so similar to what we think happened
with the Sierra case. It was eerily similar. Correct. My biggest thing that I would
love to get across to people is as a 30 plus year law enforcement veteran. Um I've, you know,
I've been shot. I've been in car accidents. I've been on investigations. You know, you don't realize the evil
that surrounds you on a daily basis. Whether you're in a bank, a church, a school, or a gas station, you could be
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Kolinski. This is Sierra's boyfriend, Josh, his parents. Josh and Sierra were in a long-term serious relationship.
They had known each other most of their lives and dated through high school and college. As you will hear, Bob and Nikki
knew Sierra well and loved her dearly. Um, I'm I'm in regular communication with with family members
of victims and and loved ones of victims and and I so I understand that this is not an easy thing to talk about. So, I
do appreciate you sitting down with me here today. And I think it's also a good opportunity for us to educate the
listeners a little bit more about keeping our girls safe, about that wonderful organization that you guys
have put together. Sure. And thank you. Yes. And thank you. Bob, we'll start with you. It's my understanding that you
worked in law enforcement at one time. Is that correct? Yes. I was a police officer for almost 30 years. And before
that I was a fireman and an EMT and worked in the cell blocks at Child Study Institute for 10 years and uh also an
adjunct professor at Owens Community College back in 2016 and Sierra goes missing. How did
your background in law enforcement, your working knowledge, how did that play effect on your your thoughts, your
feelings, your emotions? Meanwhile, your your son is being questioned at some point.
It it was very very difficult. Matter of fact, I I knew pretty much uh what they
were trying to do uh as far as where they were headed and what they had to do. And that was that was very
difficult. And uh you you you don't realize that until you have to turn your son over to the FBI and you know that
he's going to be questioned and you know that as soon as they're done questioning
him then they can go and look for the perpetrator and but we knew that that had to be done. And of course you knew
your son didn't have anything to do with this. So did you did you offer him counsel and say hey son this is just
part of the we you got to do this. you got to talk to these these people and and let's get them moving in the right
direction. Well, that's pretty much exactly what what did happen. I the FBI says, "Well, we'd like to go talk to
you. We'd like to talk to your son." And I said, "Okay, let me talk to him real quick." And uh 30 seconds. Uh I said,
"Well, here he here he is." And uh he's, you know, fully cooperative. Were you handing him over, per se,
to persons that you've worked with in the past? No. No. I didn't know the uh the FBI agents and the investigators. Uh
things have switched hands, of course, and and uh they're younger now. And look, my father is retired law
enforcement as well. And so, to be fair, and they're human beings, they don't always get it right. Were you nervous
for your son? How nervous were you for your son in that moment? Uh I was I was very nervous and uh as far as you know I
knew what he was headed towards and you know that that that was just uh very unnerving and my wife was probably twice
as nervous as I was but uh I knew it had to be done. So once again so they can go
after the the bad guy. And speaking of bad guy, Nikki, did you have any did I mean did anybody in this area have any
idea that this kind of monsters living somewhere in their community? No, we had no
idea. We didn't know until after the fact when, you know, things were starting to come out that he had lived
over there and what his background was because it had been in, I believe, 1994. So, no, no one talked about it. We
didn't know. How shocking did you find it, Nikki, when when we find out who police
suspect? How shocking to you was it that to to learn that this man is a repeat offender, that he's a very violent,
scary man, and somehow he's just living in our community. I was overwhelmed with
shock. It it really absolutely revolted me because in proximity Sierra's house was literally 3 to 5 miles down the
exact same road is where he lived. So if he was out trolling on his motorcycle as
what is claimed to be um you know he had gone by Sierra's house a lot so it was just yeah it was really heart-wrenching.
Were either of you present for portions of the trial? For the whole thing? For the whole entire thing, we were there.
And we talked briefly about this when we revisited the story. We we talked briefly about that moment where
he James Worley is making a case for himself. He swears he's innocent. He he even claims it's a a frame job by the
police because they they couldn't bust him on on another case that goes back years prior where where he's last the
last person seen with a woman who's never been seen again. We have family members of Sierra rightfully so standing
up and walking out of the court. What What were you guys thinking? What were you experiencing during those moments?
Well, we took our cue from Sheila Vacul, which is Sierra's mom. So, anything that
happened during that trial, she was the lead. Anything she wanted, anything she did, anything she asked for, um, is what
the rest of us did. So, she was sitting in the front row, we were sitting in the
second row right behind her, and she was the one that popped up and walked out. And as soon as she popped up, I looked
at Bob, Bob looked at me, we popped up, I looked at Josh, and I told him, "Come on, let's go." And we all got up and we
walked out. We were not going to listen to that. And we at least I haven't. I don't know if Bob has ever gone back and
listened to his um manifesto, but I have never listened to it. And I I haven't listened to it. My
concern was as soon as Josh stood up, I was right behind him and we walked out of the courtroom. And your son, he took
the stand, he had to testify in a very emotional testimony. Yeah. Yeah. Tell us a bit about Sierra because with
the long-term puppy love relationship that they had, this was a young lady that you
guys knew well. Knew since she was a a girl. Yep. Yeah. She uh I referred to her as as she was like the perfect girl.
She could hunt. She could fish. She could skin a deer. She could ride a motorcycle. She could ride a horse. She
could shoot. She could sing. She could dance. She was bubbly. She could wrestle. Uh I used to be concerned for
Josh's safety when they were at our house wrestling on the uh living room floor because she was uh she was tough.
She was a tough cookie. There's no doubt. Yeah, she was she was quite a girl. And then uh the last day we saw her, she
uh uh gave me a hug. I gave her a hug. I told her I loved her. She told me she loved me. And that was the last time we
seen her. It was a Sunday afternoon after they went uh garage sailing at uh um I believe it was called Funks Junk.
Yeah. Up in Michigan. Up in Michigan. And back to Warley, it's alarming how many cases he may be
connected to. That's what our understanding is. Yes. I was on the I was on the phone with a um
detective from Toledo just a a week or so ago and I couldn't even get the last name War Wley out of my mouth before he
interrupted me and said, "Oh, that guy's a serial killer. We just couldn't, you know, we we're convinced of it. We just
don't have the evidence and some of those cases are so old that there's not a lot we can do about it. Correct.
That's what our understanding is too. Yes. And you know, everybody has a different opinion rightfully so about
the death penalty, but that this is the correct sentence here. I mean, if there if there was
a you know, I I hate that that we have to have a punishment so severe, but when you have crimes that are
so severe and and this guy, I mean, he he did this and he and he he harmed an entire community. The the
amount of stuff I have no idea how many lives he he may have taken. I'm I believe that it's probably three. I feel
very confident saying two or three. And then the poor woman that he abducted or attempted to abduct in the
'9s, there's no doubt in my mind what what he what he was up to that day. I agree. Yep. I agree. Mhm. I totally
agree that this is not Sierra was not the only one. And with the current state of our state, the state of Ohio, they're
not carrying out any of these uh death sentences, these executions as it is now. Are you guys keeping track, trying
to stay up on the the news? Are we are we any closer to getting back on track? there's a a a bill or or a law that's uh
there's it could could swing either way that we're that we may be using different
drugs, but there's also another push to try to abolish the death penalty here in
the state of Ohio. Yes, we do keep a breast of it. Um as a matter of fact just this actually last few months we've
been kind of watching it and um there is a moratorum in Ohio as far as the death
penalty goes. His execution is as you know is set for May 20th 2025 but that's not
going to happen. There are still postconviction petitions that are pending at the state level here in
Fulton County that have not been ruled on yet. there had been something that went to the Supreme Court and then it
came back down and then they set the um execution date, but then there was another petition that was filed um that
has an opposition of course from the state of Ohio against it, but that has been
pending for 2 years and they just filed another petition to amend a motion for leave to
amend the petition that's pending asking to add another element to their petition that was just filed in March of
2025. And I hate to say this, but it's I mean it's the truth. I spoke with Melissa Andrews. She interviewed James
Worley and she told me she said, "Nick, I'm I'm shocked. I expected it to be one
thing and she says, "I get there and he doesn't have it that bad in there." And no, he probably doesn't. He
gets three square meals in a bed and he's warm and dry and, you know, has to make no decisions. He wasn't doing
anything before he went in other than these, you know, horrible things that uh he was up to. He he wasn't uh a good
citizen. He wasn't uh he wasn't doing anything productive when he was out. Um he just he's just this
evil lazy guy. That's what our understanding is. Yeah. I can I absolutely agree with that. Absolutely
agree with that. Evil walking the earth for sure. Yeah. It's a shame. Yes. Well, earlier
this year we were very um excited to and and happy that we could partner with with Keeping Our Girls Safe. It's a it's
a fantastic organization that you guys have put together. I did during that campaign, I did try to inform the
listeners about keeping our girls safe. We'll have a little FaceTime together later this year. I'm going to join you
for one of your events. Bob was kind enough to invite me and thank you for that. Bob, please tell the listeners
what is Keeping Our Girls Safe? What are you guys doing currently for 2025? Well,
we are all co-founders of Keeping Our Girls Sta safe. I'll give you a little background. It started um in our living
room with me and Bob, Josh's sister Mary, who is a co-founder, and Josh, and we had as a family wanted to begin or do
something that um supported him actually is how this all started. So, we created this
organization. It's a nonprofit 501c3. In September of 2016, we held a motorcycle ride um because Josh was on
his motorcycle when him and C parted ways. So, we put together a motorcycle ride the very first year and you know,
me as a mom, we're we're setting this all up and I'm just praying to God that a couple people show up. I was hoping
for 50 bikes. 50 bikes that that year 2016 and we counted 475 showed in support of us, Josh,
Sheila, her family, in support of everyone from the community. Um, which just absolutely blew our minds. So, how
why we began this is that um we wanted to do free self-defense classes, personal safety classes for women, for
young women, which is what started the whole thing. Um because of course, Sierra um you know, wasn't able to do
that. However, I don't know, I think it was a couple months before we lost her that she had attended a personal safety
class herself. So that's kind of where the idea stem from. So the um funds that we've raised since 2016
um go towards that effort. So, we pay instructors and our instructors are all law enforcement officers
um because we wanted to do community um um community policing policing to where you know lots of times
that a woman's first um interaction with a police officer is when something bad happens and we wanted the community
women to feel more comfortable around police officers. So that's the reason why one of the reasons why we chose to
have only police officers as our instructors so women can feel um comfortable around them and get to know
them and know that they are um humans just like they are. So we have police officers that do all the instructing and
I think to date we have had over 3500 women given free self-defense classes. We do them in the community,
but my ultimate favorite is going into the high schools. We get invited to high schools um to be able to give classes to
the girls within the classroom setting, which is just awesome to me because we also not only give them the personal
self-defense, we also talk about sexual violence and we talk about dating and we
talk about domestic violence. We talk about violence in any way, shape or form that can harm a woman, a young woman.
And then we even go one step further is when we are going into the into the schools, we are in um cooperation with
any of the social workers that work in the high schools. So, you never know in one of these classes what you're going
to bring up in somebody's background. So, we make sure that the counseling people, the people that are around them
every single day are aware that we're doing this and that this may um bring up some things that they may need to talk
about and to keep an eye out for that. And then we also give them resources, local resources. I hand out information.
and they all get a little goodie bag which includes the self-defense keychain angel in disguise and then resources
that they can reach out to. There's um especially um dating apps and about good relationships and the domestic violence
um hotline and of course the the violent offender registry. I I show them in the
resources how to look all of those things up because we do believe that knowledge is
power. So that's what we continue to do and we will continue to do it until and we and
we give them tips on uh passwords for their phones for their computers because that was an issue with C is that we
spent a lot of time trying to get into her uh computers and and uh phone account because nobody had her password
to that night. So, we we spend some time on that uh in the classroom and with the
uh with the with the ladies and uh that seems to to help and it it drives it home and and makes you know everybody
aware that this stuff is important. It's just it's not good to have secrets sometimes. And uh so we we hope that
we've really helped and we know from the teachers that uh they've thanked us a lot and I'm sure we've we've helped some
some girls out there. What are those tips? Is it just something as simple as sharing your password and your PIN
numbers and such with with a trusted family member if they if anybody ever needs to access that that that there is
someone that has the ability to do so? Yes. Exactly. That's exactly what we tell them because time is of the
essence. God forbid anything were to happen, the law enforcement, family members need to get into the computers,
need to get into um telephones and depending on the circumstances, you have to go to the policeman to get search
warrants and things like that. And it took time for Sierra. We are almost 10 years out now. I think things would be a
little faster now, but still if we had passwords, it would be even faster. So that is like one of the main important
things we share is to share that information with other at least one other trusted person.
Does the does any portion of the self-defense class does it include the use of the keychain that you
guys designed? Yes, we our instructor shows them the keychain and advises everybody that they
get one uh when they leave the class and shows them how to use it. It's a that's
probably about a fiveminute instruction on on the use of it. And and uh we teach
to get away. We we don't teach to beat somebody up. That's that's not the thing. That's not going to happen. We
teach the uh students to get away. Uh get out of that situation. Time is of the essence. And the keychain is
designed in a way if you're using it in self-defense, deliver that blow, get a good solid hit, and and it should stun
the perpetrator long enough that that you can get out of there. That is the hope. That is the Yes, that's what we
want. Mhm. Describe what it looks like for the listeners. I I And it comes in some really brilliant colors as well.
Some really cool colors. Sure. it uh it's described it's it has angel wings and it has two holes at the bottom of
the angel wings where the fingers go and uh it's used to poke in a vulnerable area such as the eyes such as the chin
such as the uh um throat the uh u uh ears and uh other body parts where we don't want to mention right now but uh
in if that happens and and I remember The last time I told Sierra is that you kick, you fight, you bite, you do
whatever it is to get away. Uh because if you don't, then the worst could happen to you. And and we talked about
this with her and we talked about it. We had that conversation and our daughter the last Sunday we saw her. And the
self-defense classes are for females of all ages, 16 and up. 16 and up, which is brilliant
because I know we've all been there, right? Uh daughter going through high school and then the some of them go off
to college and or or becoming of of age and that's a terrifying thing for moms and dads out there. So, a lot of these
uh attendees of your classes are probably 16, 17, 18 year old young ladies. Yes. Yes, they are. But
honestly, the demographic goes from zero to 100. We just had a community class the other day of elderly women. And you
know, unfortunately, these crimes are um opportunistic. They go after people that
are in a vulnerable vulnerable place. They're crimes of opportunity and they're crimes of
control. and they want to control their subject and a lot of times it doesn't have a whole lot to do with their age.
Um, we know that younger women are targets for sure, but if someone of that magnitude wants that ultimate control
also, he'll he'll pick somebody who's just vulnerable. And we've had real life testimonials already of people in
parking lots that uh have said, you know, that stuff you teach in the class that actually works. Uh I used it uh
when I was in the parking lot and I saw a person and I saw another person and and they described what uh there was two
people in the parking lot and they uh it was an uncomfortable situation and they
didn't focus on this lady. And then we have other situations like in uh uh department stores uh and other
situations where they've said you know this this stuff from their class it works and that in itself just makes it
worth it. God forbid that anybody listening to this or or somebody that attends one of your classes ever
finds themsel in a real life experience of somebody approaching them or grabbing
them or but they've at least they've run through it in their head a couple of times of what do I do? What can I do?
What would I do in that moment? And if and if you start acting on instinct, which most of us would in that sit in
that scenario, you're acting on the instincts that you've already kind of trained yourself and thought through
prior to to that unfortunate incident. Yes. And we encourage women to come more than once to our class because it is
muscle memory. You think about it, you're going to do what you thought about. So yeah, for sure. And one thing
we stress is do not look vulnerable. Don't be walking with your phone in your hand. uh and looking at your phone, keep
awake and look at your surroundings. Look for all the people that are that may be around you and make eye contact
with them so that they know you're looking, you're watching, and you're on guard. And that doesn't mean to be
paranoid when you go out, but but uh when you do go out, you know, be aware of your surroundings, be aware of the
people that are there. that uh from the testimonials that we've received, that in itself has helped.
And when you're walking alone, have that angel in disguise keychain. Have it ready. Have it have it in your hand for
that short walk from from the building to your car, from the car to the building. It's it's something easy to
train yourself. It's a good habit to get into. If you need it, you're ready to go. Absolutely. Cuz you just never know.
Tell the listeners real quick about the website if they want to learn more. Sure. It's
www.ko gsf.com. Um the whole story is there and the programs that we offer are there and
if they feel like they would like to donate that would be great. Every single dime goes back into helping the
community in one way, shape or form. If I could take a second and just touch on another program we offer. if if time
allows. Of course. Um we have another program that we started about 3 years ago. It's called Honoring Good
Deeds. And what it is is that keeping our girls safe has trained first responders to be peers to other first
responders in time of need. So we have a critical incident stress management team
of 35 first responders that if we are asked to come out even on one-on-one basis to another
first responder who's struggling, we will offer that service free of charge to any first responder. Um we have done
debriefings in group settings and we have done individuals. And one of the reasons why we started the secondary
program was because through the trial um you know we were pretty isolated during
that time. So we really didn't know what was happening in the outside world for quite a while after um we lost Sierra
and then the trial itself. And we learned through that that first responders from all over the state came
to help search for her and the Red Cross was even there to help search for her. and we had learned that they all had a
really hard time processing and going through this. Um, so whether they've been through a hundred million of them
and this is the one that that just, you know, brought it all home for them or whatever have you, but the thing is is
that there really wasn't a whole big response that was available out there to them for their own purposes. So here
they were giving everything they had of themselves to other people and there was
nobody to give back to them. So we decided to start this program. It is really important mental
healthwise. We want to keep our first responders resilient. So you know the old adage is is that the fireman's
running into the fire as everybody's running out is absolutely true. And if we can help keep them healthy and if
they have um appeared to talk to then we've done good things that way also because we also found out that jurors
the jurors on Sierra's trial had a really hard time afterwards processing through everything
that they had to hear and that they had to see. You get called in for jury duty.
Just because you're a registered voter doesn't mean that this is something that you signed up to listen to. but you do
because that is what you should do and they did a great job but then afterwards so they had mental health professionals
come in and help them and assist them and that is another reason why we started this team. So we we are um we we
sponsor it. We are sponsored by the 4ount mental health board out in our area that also supports that team. So,
we're trying to give back to the community any way that we possibly can for all the people that came out and
helped us. And any way we can keep people safer moving forward is just a plus. And for example, last year alone
in 2024, we were deployed 14 times to incidents, a traffic accidents, etc., etc. Wow.
And it's completely free and we do it of ourselves and the entire team 35 plus people uh we call and people show up.
Yep. To give back. That's incredible. That's incredible. Well, yes. and and I love to see that that you've taken
one good one very very good nonprofit organization and you've now we've turned it into two and you
guys are you guys are helping so many people and you said I I think you said 3500 attendees to your self-defense
classes. Yes, sir. Yes. That is amazing. And then you you periodically uh once or
twice a year you do these purse bingo fundraising events right there. And there's one coming. There's one in
November. Yes. The first Saturday in November. Mhm. And I don't think tickets are on
sale yet for that one, but uh when would they go on sale for that one, do you think? They probably won't go on sale
until Septemberish. And yes, we did switch genres, so to speak. Um Josh stepped down from being on the board and we
switched over from motorcycle rides to purse bingos. So Bob, myself, Sheila, Sierra's mom, and our daughter Mary are
all co-founders and run the organization now as it sits. So we um this will be our fourth bingo, I believe, and we sell
tickets to it. people can reserve a table, but it's a sounds like a really fun event because there's prizes,
there's raffles, there's things of that nature and a lot of people just having a
good time. Yes, absolutely. Um, we serve a a really nice dinner. We have mystery
boxes. We have all kinds of raffles, 50/50s, and then of course uh bingoing off the designer bags that we have. And
we get a really good turnout. I think we had 325 people this last one. So, yes, people support very much what we do. And
Nick, I can tell you these ladies show up to party. I'm going I'm going to be there 100% in in November. So, I'm
hoping that we have a lot of listeners here in Ohio. And you guys are I mean very close to the Michigan border. A lot
of listeners in Michigan as well. So, I'm hoping people will hear this and and buy tickets and join us there. that it
has um something that I'm a big fan of which is called a cash bar as I understand. And I So if if you if
you buy a ticket and you want to come in and see me, just look for the guy standing next to the cash bar. Uh
that'll probably be me. Hey guys, thank you so much for joining me today and talking to us and educating our
listeners a little bit and and um let's get some people to go to the website. Let's get some people to go to the the
bingo fundraiser event. And and if you can't go to that, if you can't buy a ticket for that, go and pick up a
keychain for you and for somebody that you love. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. We appreciate it.
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Killing was Purposeful Interviews /// Off The Record

As a follow up to our “Killing was Purposeful” 4 part series we offer this episode of Off the Record to the masses. Nic talks with Officer Simon from the Fulton County Sheriff’s Office regarding the disappearance of 20 year old college student Sierah Joughin. Also, joining the show is Bob & Nikki Kolasinski founding members of Keeping Our Girls Safe, an Ohio non-profit working hard to educate and empower, young ladies and women. www.KOGSAFE.COM (http://www.kogsafe.com/)

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