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talk some true CR [Music] [Music] December 28th 2017 Broomfield Colorado near Boulder at 3:30 p.m. a 911 call comes
into Broomfield police it's a male caller his name is Joseph Marino he's calling a emergency services
to report that his girlfriend 19-year-old Natalie Ballinger is missing he believes Natalie left their
home around noon then Joseph tells the dispatcher that Natalie's phone was left behind so he has no way to contact
her she didn't take her coat and he has no idea where she could be he's very concerned we've seen so many missing
persons reports in the past that are largely ignored or downplayed by police but here Natalie's disappearance
was of immediate concern because 6 days before she vanished she had been issued a permanent restraining order against
the man who Natalie claimed was stalking her but there's more Natalie's boyfriend
told police that it wasn't just Natalie that was missing Joseph's Glock 9mm pistol was gone as
well this is true crime garage and this is the very mysterious case of Natalie [Music]
Ballinger Broomfield police took Natalie disappearance seriously right from Jump
Street Captain law enforcement issued an appeal to the public to be on the lookout for Natalie the bolo the be on
the lookout described her as a Caucasian female aged 19 she is listed at 4 11 in tall and
weighs about 100 lb she has maroon colored hair very distinctive hair maroon colored hair and hazel eyes she
also has two facial piercings and a unique tattoo on her left forearm some have described this tattoo as something
like a sunflower with a yin and yang symbol that was on Thursday afternoon and into the evening family friends and
police all out looking for this missing young woman the next day Friday December
29th a Dairy Farmer worker in Thorton Colorado came across a dead body in the woods just off of of a dirt road this
was at East 116th Avenue and Riverdale Road the hiker called the Adams County Sheriff's office around 3:15 p.m. and
reported the body the worker reported that there was no doubt that the person was dead leaves were piled on top of the
corpse in a lame attempt to conceal the body Adams County deputies arrived at the scene they observed the body of a
female wearing black jeans a black hoodie Black Boots and socks her body was covered in leaves a single gunshot
wound was visible in her head now no identification was found with the body but the Adams County authorities were
quickly in touch with the Broomfield police who issued the beyond the lookout they checked Natalie bolinger's Facebook
page they see this distinctive tattoo the distinctive hair prominently featured on the Facebook page and sadly
they're quick to be able to identify that the body is that of Natalie Ballinger roughly 24 hours after Natalie
went missing her body was found sadly it was not what anybody was hoping of course and Natalie Ballinger was found
within a half hour's drive from her home as said it's obvious to police and First
Responders when they get to the scene that she that the victim is dead police contact Ed Natalie's
family and had to break the tragic news to them when the police and the coroner arrived on the scene there would be
reasons to consider maybe this was a suicide but further examination with no gun found at the
scene and the impossibility of a body attempting to conceal itself with the leaves and whatnot it was obvious that
this was a murder and the Adams County sheriff's office in the Broomfield police commenced on a joint homicide
investigation yeah it's not impossible that somebody commits suicide out in the woods somebody stumbles along and finds
the weapon and takes it but it's just very unlikely Adams County Sheriff Mike McIntosh held a news conference in which
he said there is a 26-hour time period that is missing where we don't have anyone who was talking to Natalie
through social media or by text or in person or on the telephone that's a crucial time we are looking at if anyone
came into contact with Natalie on the telephone or on social media or there is a photo of her out there those are all
things that would be important to our investigation so that's 26 hours captain that is from the time that it is
believed that she left the house which would be about 12:30 p.m. the previous day and then found the next day around
300 p.m. that next afternoon yeah what law enforcement is hoping for we have a 26-hour window and if we can find
somebody that talked to Natalie we can shorten that timeline by a by a good amount during the news conference
Macintosh read a prepared statement from Natalie's Father Ted Binger that read quote our family has been deeply
devastated by this loss and cannot fully Express how much we miss our beautiful Natalie our hearts are absolutely broken
end quote law enforcement is able to hone in on a suspect relatively quickly in Natalie's case we learn about this
captain at this press conference so we have Sheriff Macintosh that said at the press conference that there was no
threat to anyone in the community and Deputy Michael Kaiser told The Denver Post on December 29th quote there are
people of interest but no suspects at this time end quote and that was true Captain the authorities already had some
Persons of Interest in their sites the very same day that Natalie was found and with the comment about no threat to the
community they clearly suspected a targeted attack and it looks like they probably had reason too definitely if
you're law enforcement and you just start going back through her Communications on text message you can
see that she feels like there was at least somebody in her life that was admitting a threat to her okay so let's
address this Persons of Interest statement before we move on to someone who is an obvious suspect in my mind in
this case and frankly one bizarre dude a person of interest in this case of course would be Natalie's boyfriend
who she lived with and some reports have the two as being engaged to get married
Natalie boyfriend Joseph was looked at pretty good early in this investigation but he was quickly cleared by
detectives and so they were able to move on to a more viable suspect at that time
the reason that they were able to move on from Joseph is at first they they liked him for a suspect because he
reports his girlfriend as missing however he does not tell police immediately that the gun that was in
their apartment was also missing right he didn't report this and he comes clean with them very quickly saying look I I
purposely withheld that information from you guys because I thought it would get
Natalie in trouble I want you to find her I don't want her to get into any trouble she's been having some issues
and I don't want to create additional issues for her so his heart was in the right place maybe not his mind but it
was with good intentions and they also very quickly they're able to confirm he was at work that entire day they speak
with several people that he works with they all say yes Joseph was here they have him on surveillance cameras on
camera being at work during that time period that they are concerned with so they are able to move on from Joseph
very quickly because of all of this evidence and you say it all the time the timeline is so important and when you
have a window of 26 hours it's harder to get an alibi for a boyfriend or a friend
or possibly a stalker when you have such a large time frame you you might be able
to get an alibi for four or five hours but you need an alibi for basically 26 police were hip to all the rumors and
accusations flying about online Natalie's friends and family were posting about one person in particular
and the depuy's statement that they had Persons of Interest made only one day after Natalie was murdered implies that
there was an obvious suspect at the time the man the family was pointing to was the man that Natalie had received
an order of protection against the man she posted about online saying that this man was stalking her the man who was now
posting Rants and strange comments online about Natalie and that man's name is sha Schwarz yeah you have a young
female that is telling her boyfriend telling her family even went as far as to get a restraining order against this
individual and she goes missing obviously this is the first person that Law Enforcement wants to talk to so
let's keep in mind our time in question here is late December Natalie's Facebook
page showed the following post made by her on December 13th 2017 this is just two weeks before she
went missing and here's what it said verbatim hey y'all I have a public service announcement there is a man Shan
Schwarz I met this man when I was young I ran into him about two years ago long story short I became friends with him I
helped him out with rides and stuff I moved to Virginia he drove across country to see me slept behind my work
for weeks when I told him I didn't want to see him anymore he sent me hundreds of texts and calls he parked his car in
front of my house blocking Military Highway for hours laying on his horn he was arrested since then I've asked him
to leave me alone and he won't he's sent email for over a year close to every day
harassing me making numerous account until I block him again threatening my family telling me he'll kill himself in
front of me and sending my friends and family harassing messages as well I'm sharing this because he's posted slander
about me all over Facebook so if you receive a message I am sincerely sorry please ignore him it only encourages him
when he gets a response much like a child he's mentally ill and I'm trying to fix this and with that post Captain
she included a screenshot of a photo someone had posted the photo was of 42-year-old sha Schwarz which showed a
thin man with a scraggly beard and a half bald head and he's he's like got this scowl on his face yeah he
definitely looks uh disheveled and like he's not taking care of himself and like
she stated she believes that he's mentally ill one of the reasons Natalie might have cited in her request for a
restraining order was a post from Schwarz on September 10th that read quote Natalie I wanted only the best for
you now all I want is for you to go through the hell I've lived I want to blow my head off in front of you so
close you can feel the warmth spatter of my blood on your face I want you to feel
every bit of my pain because you gave it to me and didn't care you should not have pretended to care end quote okay so
that's a lot H someone's a little needy here that's a lot to unpack according to
Natalie's loved ones Natalie was very afraid of Shawn Schwarz and judging by the post it's frankly it's easy to see
why yeah very easy to see why she would be afraid of sha these are not posts made by somebody in their right mind
this is definitely somebody that needs to get some help police pulled Schwarz in very quickly and interviewed him at
length Sheriff McIntosh told the media quote we have talked to him we are not ready to call anyone a suspect but it's
certainly a part of our investigation The Daily Camera which is a boulder newspaper many of you might remember us
talking about them from our John Benet Ramsey coverage they did a lot of terrific reporting in this case in
Natalie's case they managed to get a comment from Sha Schwarz confirming that he had been questioned
by police but he wasn't arrested and no charges were forthcoming but there was a
lot of online activity accusing this guy accusing Schwarz this whole thing was playing out very publicly on Facebook
after all Natalie herself the victim had posted on Facebook that she was being stalked by this man and Schwarz himself
was an incessant Facebook post poer who used the Forum to air his crazy ramblings
Schwarz was mentally ill what exactly his diagnosis was is unclear he admitted only to having aser syndrome a disorder
which placed him on the autism spectrum and Tourette's Syndrome which he blamed for poor communicative abilities
according to him he received disability payments in excess of $700 a month because of these conditions
as a result apparently he had nothing to do all day but post on Facebook and his
YouTube channel as we saw he posted that very disturbing post about wanting to blow his brains out all over Natalie and
of course it was not lost on anyone that Natalie had then died by being shot in the head obviously when people were
concerned about her being missing they were contacting sea and he kept on saying look I had nothing to do with it
just help find Natalie Natalie's friends and family and even people who weren't involved at all they're all posting that
they knew they're stating this online on Facebook and such they knew that Schwarz
was responsible for Natalie's murder the news media jumped in too well look this
guy is definitely not stable this guy definitely needs to be looked at as a person of interest as there's other
individuals that need to be looked at as a POI but none of these individuals have a
crystal ball with heavy issuing one of their own five things you need to know about sha
Schwarz at first Schwarz sort of kept it together posting that he was still trying to stay out of the way and let
the cops do their jobs and like the captain said he's pointing out and saying online I didn't kill anyone but
according to medium Schwarz created a fake face Facebook account and posted in the comments on Natalie's Post in which
she had outed him as a dangerous stalker his secret post he creates this fake account
Captain so he can go in there and defend himself right he's creating posts that's
defending sha Schwarz and implied that Natalie's family and friends knew exactly what had happened to her well
again he's mentally ill so him defending himself it might come off making him look more
guilty he doesn't know that he's just adding fuel to the fire yes so everyone online piled on Schwarz the stalker
whose Target was now a murder victim then after schwarz's fake account is exposed for what it was he starts
posting back on his real account again so do you want to talk about some of these post here Captain I never know how
much of this stuff this type of thing the masses would want to hear I think it's interesting okay without going
through every crazy and often violent or even threatening post that this guy made
he said things like he would kill them all and he hopes that they will all die at one point he makes claims that he was
assaulted on more than one occasion by people accusing him of being responsible for Natalie's death and then adds to
that that the police turned a blind eye when he went to them to report these assaults so he's saying these people
aren't just accusing me online I've been physically attacked out on the streets by people accusing me and I've gone to
the police and tried to file reports about these assaults and the police are purposely looking the other way it's
really hard to believe schz anything he States because also we we we don't know the struggles that he is dealing with
mentally so it's really hard to believe him on anything he made a short YouTube video well several short YouTube videos
of himself ranting and raving about missing persons other cases than Natalie's case missing persons in
trafficking investigations and that Natalie is evil and her family belongs in prison then you take that and you
keep going back to the restraining order right you take all this activity that he's doing online and you cross check
that with this straining order Natalie got against this dude because he was totally off the rails even before
Natalie went missing before she was killed and you got to be saying to yourself and everyone that is willing to
listen that if it walks like a murderous duck and it quacks like a murderous duck
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cheers to all the people in the back online SLU came up with what some were calling evidence or at least online
evidence that Schwarz killed Natalie Bolinger they noticed that his incessant Facebook post came to a screeching halt
on December 28th with a post about a missing child this around 300 a.m. that day then he remained offline for 19
hours when he came back online his first post was about Natalie being missing this is at 9:50 p.m. on the 28th and
here we go captain on January 9th police arrested 37-year-old sha Schwarz but the arrest was not for
murder so obviously with this Arrest A lot of people online go well law enforcement got their man seems like
shortz was at his Breaking Point yeah because again the arrest is not for the murder of Natalie Bolinger what happened
was all of this online Warfare as the captain said pushed Schwarz to the breaking point he was already showing
signs of severe mental illness after Natalie was found and the public tied of accusation against him contined to grow
he increasingly and desperately posted about his innocence that he had been unfairly convicted in the court of
public opinion and that he wanted to help bring the real killer to justice but he continued to
spiral and spiral out of control and finally posted on his Facebook page quote I am on my way at John's Church in
Boulder on 15th and spring Bru come out me in the ground you effing cowards is basically and I apologize for the broken
English there but I'm reading it verbatim as he posted it so he's he's this is very dangerous Behavior right so
he's being accused by all these people clearly he's at his breaking point now he's challenging all these people yeah
challenging people being this is this is scary but it's also sad because you know
that this man man is mentally ill th this is where I'm going to be this is where I'm going come at me all of you
come and join me here and he says something about in the ground and I imagine that is he's saying I'm going to
put anybody that comes after me in the ground right so this is activity that the police are witnessing they're
they're watching it and they're monitoring this activity they take this as an indication that Schwarz was going
to either harm himself or harm other people so they head over to his apartment for a welfare check they knew
that he was entangled in the Natalie Ballinger case and they probably used this online post as an excuse to go and
pay him a visit this is from The Daily Camera according to the arrest affidavit Boulder Police found Schwarz at St
John's Episcopal Church where he told officers he missed his friend Ballinger and wanted to talk to her but could not
because she was dead officers were able to get Schwarz to go with them to Boulder Community Health Foothills
Hospital without incident but once he was there officers said he began screaming and yelling at the staff when
he tried to leave the room and refused to listen to staff instructions police tried to place him under arrest so he's
trying to leave and flee and they're like no you you you have to be here according to the affidavit Schwarz
struggled with officers at one point trying to kick and bite them officers were eventually able to get Schwarz into
custody and transported him to jail now we should note too that he had just one prior arrest in in in Boulder this was
for theft so while he is saying a lot of violent and threatening statements online this is not a guy with a lengthy
police record no but definitely a individual that's not stable so again he could hurt somebody but he could hurt
himself and a lot of his posts are these wild uh aggressive posts but then there's also videos of him where he's
comes across as very you know disheveled uh very Meek very timid uh so th this is a very difficult situation
and obviously this has to be difficult go for friends and family members because you think law
enforcement has to look at this guy and this guy just makes sense that he's the one that's responsible Schwarz was
charged with second deegree assault on a peace officer obstructing a peace officer and resisting arrest the cops
did tell the judge that he was a murder suspect and upped the bail but Shan Schwarz was released on a $5,000
personal recognizes Bond which a lot of people at the time thought was kind of surprising but this would be unless he
wasn't an actual murder suspect after this whole incident Schwarz denied that he had killed Natalie he continued to
deny that he killed Natalie he posted online that cops scratched me off their list reportedly he had
receipts verifying that he had a rock solid Alibi for the 28th and ID reported that Schwarz also claims
that he was staying with a friend from December 26 through the period when Natalie disappeared and then was later
found well this makes it more difficult for her friends and family and law enforcement because if you think this
guy is responsible you're also afraid that he might do something to himself and that maybe we never get answers in
Natalie's case well and what's wild here in this case captain and warranted in some
way is people online were Furious they're like this guy so obviously killed this girl killed this young woman
he needs to be arrested this case isn't that difficult what are these detectives
doing what is this Sheriff's Department doing they're they're not capable of solving this clearly and not only that
people online were Furious that she had a restraining order against this guy and
they're like look the system failed to protect Natalie in life from this guy and now in death he's getting away with
murder he he's not been arrested he's not charged and he's so obviously guilty that's what everybody's screaming from
the mountaintops online so let's dive more into who Natalie was Natalie Marie Ballinger was born on February 24th 19
1998 in Westminster Colorado to parents Rose and Ted Binger she had a twin sister Natalie graduated from Pathways
High School in Colorado in 2017 and was accepted into a College nursing program with a scholarship her obituary reads
Natalie lived in Colorado Rhode Island in Virginia Natalie was a gifted and talented artist that had been drawing
sense she could first grasp a crayon she loved animals and nature she treated everyone and everything with respect and
dignity no matter their station or circumstances okay so that's the information from Natalie's obituary put
together by her mother but it has to be said that it appears the truth was a little bit darker her we reviewed
Natalie's Facebook post for several years years before her death and sadly she had some demons there are references
to drug addiction and self-mutilation there were several car accidents including one which was
possibly a suicide attempt she talks about people letting her down frequently on Facebook and on the other hand though
there are there are so many positive post as well about her artwork and about Buddhist principles and Zen mantras
how proud she was to graduate from high school and how excited she was for college life but then there was her
childhood which was not great to put it plain and simple we we got a lot to get through so I think we will stick to the
investigation here Captain if we find that the investigation takes us to something related to her earlier family
life or her childhood we will cycle back but only if relevant to the case so let's get right back to the where the
investigation is leading us right we still have Mr sha Schwarz he's eager to prove that he and Natalie were actually
friends before everything went South Shan Schwarz posted something like 100 screenshots of messages between the two
of them so he's trying to point out to people like hey not only did I not kill this young woman not only did I not do
what accusing me of doing but at one time we were actually friends I might be hurting too having lost Natalie these
messages dated back to 2015 and in them the two seem to be unburdening themselves about their
lives and finding support in each other and in each other's post and really kind
of Consulting each other and helping each other through their trouble well when you're dealing with mental
health issues and you find somebody else that has dealt with some of the same stuff as you you you feel less alone so
you feel like you have a partner and and you feel that you can be open and honest
with maybe some of these struggling thoughts that you have well and we've said it time and time again the captain
is a huge proponent and even some people's Heroes for uh mental health but here's the thing this is such a human
thing this is such a human experience if you're having weird thoughts or if you're if you're living in a in a dark
period talk to somebody it's it's human there it's don't be afraid to address these issues because everybody has them
there is not if anybody tells you that they liveed their entire life with no Mental Health health concerns at all not
even for a brief moment they're lying to you it's human talk to somebody you'll find support you'll find somebody that
may even be experiencing the very same thing and can help you through it and so that's what Natalie was attempting to do
here that's what Shawn was attempting to do here and it appears that they were able to help each other in some form or
fashion at least early in their friendship well a lot of people have heard this analogy before but you know
we need to talk more open openly and honestly about mental health and our struggles but also when we get better
when we overcome some of those struggles and so when you're talking to your friend if if your friend came up to you
and said hey I broke my arm you'd say you probably need to go see a doctor you probably need to see a professional to
get that fixed this needs to be standard conversation somebody saying I'm dealing
with some dark tough issues and I'm dealing with some mental health issues and we need to get better
at saying hey I I'm there for you I care about you and and you you should go seek
treatment Natalie apparently met sha Schwarz in the park it seems likely that at the time based off of everything that
we are seeing that Natalie was involved in drugs at that time she did get sober and even after getting sober she
maintained a friendship with Shawn that's that's just a fact I know a lot of people don't like this sha Schwarz
character but it's a fact that they were in fact friends or friendly at one time
she's trying to help this guy and she's providing services for him that he needs
you know things like helping him with a ride somewhere from time to time and the
verbal and emotional support by exchanging these messages now at some point this is in
2016 they had a falling out which ended this friendship Schwarz reportedly claimed in one of his videos online that
it was because he had posted personal information about Natalie this is personal information that she had shared
with him and he ends up posting this online and making it public so we can see and
certainly understand why they had a falling out right after her death Shawn tried to explain away the whole alleged
stalking thing too this to heavy.com he says quote I have a flip phone that proves I was invited to Virginia by
Natalie we had no sexual relationship I was her friend I went to Virginia because Natalie got into a car accident
within 24 hours of telling me she wanted to kill herself that's why I went there
we were friends end quote Yeah like you said some people don't want to hear it but they both obviously had a friendship
at some point and at some point they were both dependent on each other all of these statements are true right it's
true Natalie did get into a ban accident totaling her car and the two had been friends but
clearly what so obvious to all of us and unfortunately was not ever obvious to Mr
Schwarz Natalie's impressions of him had completely changed at some point the Friendship went South and she became
afraid of him right she moves back to Colorado from Virginia in 2016 you can see it's not sadly we
cannot interview Natalie to find out were these moves to get away from him or were there a whole lot of other factors
involved in in the decision- making all time Natalie's parents contentious relationship was obvious and evident
from the planning of her funeral as reported by Investigation Discovery on January 8th Ted her father
announced that funeral services for Natalie would be held the following day but later announced that Services had
been cancelled due to quote issues with funding in the state of Colorado you must have both parents agree to all
funeral plans and Cemetery Arrangements they must also agree on funds coming from the District Attorney's office
Heath Carroll managing partner of the funeral home wrote in a Facebook post this may be funds from the burial
assistance program for lowincome families he wrote that Natalie's parents had been unable to reach an amicable
agreement so the services were cancelled it might show you a little bit of a glimpse of what Natalie was dealing with
with some of the struggles and the the fighting between her family members on January 11th Natalie's mother Rose Kelly
and her side of the family announced that Memorial Services would be held in Virginia on January 13th a funeral was
held for Natalie at the church of St Teresa in Chesapeake she says quote I am proud she
was mine Rose self told 10 onyou side news all of the work that she had done this is Rose talking about her daughter
Natalie all of the work that she had done and all of the plans she made and everything she was about to get
catapulted into all of that and she was super excited for her life end quote this we we discuss her having some
dark times and having some dark periods in her past but there was also you know life is a series of Peaks and valleys we
all go through the Peaks we all go through the valleys and Rose her mother is trying to point
out yes she had some of this dark stuff in her life but she had all these other things that she was excited about that
she was planning for she was trying to plan for the future and she was excited about going to school and she was
excited about starting this portion of her life it also goes to show that this this is the parents this is her family
this is her friends and loved ones trying to accept the situation and trying to understand this horrible
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December 28th, 2017 - Broomfield, Colorado. At 3:30 p.m., a 911 call comes into Broomfield police. It is a male caller. He’s calling emergency services to report that his girlfriend, 19 year old Natalie Bollinger is missing. He believes Natalie left their home around noon. Then he tells the dispatcher that Natalie’s phone was left behind, so he has no way to contact her. He has no idea where she could be and he’s very concerned. Join us in the Garage as we discuss the mysterious case of Natalie Bollinger.

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Brief Summary

Natalie Ballinger went missing and was found murdered; Sha Schwarz, her stalker, is a key suspect in the case.

Key points

The Disappearance of Natalie Ballinger. Natalie Ballinger goes missing under mysterious circumstances, raising immediate concern due to a restraining order against a stalker.
Body Found in the Woods. A body is discovered in the woods, leading to the identification of Natalie Ballinger just 24 hours after her disappearance.
Suspect Emerges: Sha Schwarz. Sha Schwarz, a man with a restraining order against him, becomes a person of interest in Natalie's murder.
Schwarz's Disturbing Online Behavior. Schwarz's posts reveal his mental instability as he faces public scrutiny.
Natalie's Memorial Service. Natalie's mother honors her daughter's life, acknowledging both struggles and dreams.

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Episode quotes

It's obvious that this was a murder.

Discussion about the circumstances surrounding Natalie's death.

8:56WatchNov 16, 2023

Tension

70/ 100High tension

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