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True [Music] Crime all right Captain this is long long overdue my friend because way back
in 2016 I believe we sat here together in the garage Halloween night drinking beers talking
true crime documentaries that we had both seen we both came up with a list you gave a top 10 I gave a top 10 and
since that day I think he blacked out that night I had such a good time I had such a good time that was there there
about once a year I sleep on the garage floor and that was one that was one of those times but since that day Captain
we have we have been hit hard with emails yeah people saying hey you got to watch this hey you got to watch that hey
when you're going to come out with a new list yeah well guess what we we work very hard here in the garage and we
decided last week a lot of people on spring break a lot of people having a good time so the captain and I said you
know what let's let's we're going to take a break let's chillax a little bit MH and let's have a good time because
you know I've fallen behind on my true crime documentaries because each week we get we get eyeball Falls deep in a case
for about a week's time and then we go in and record the thing and I keep getting told watch this watch that I
don't I can't get involved in another case yes last week allowed me a little bit of time to get caught up on some of
the ones that have been recommended to us so well we were supposed to be on spring break ourselves but then we
decided hey let's binge watch some true crime and let's also binge drink and we'll make that our spring
break and we'll give you something to listen to there we go so today we're going to do something it's a little
different than how we did it in the past you know you gave your top 10 list I gave my top 10 list last time today
we've kind of just collaborated on a list we have 10 recommendations for you to watch and it's not necessarily a
countdown so to speak this is in no particular order at all but what we came up with with is this this is mustsee
True Crime TV is what I what I would call This And thank you to everybody who have sent in their recommendations
throughout the the months since we've last done this but let's go over our top 10 list from before yes because then
we'll get it we we will get a bunch of emails and a bunch of posts that said hey you forgot about this one this is
not so much about forgetting about anything there's there's definitely documentaries out there that we've not
watched but we'll go through our list real quick Captain why don't you hit them with your top 10 list from back in
2016 so my top 10 was number 10 capturing the fredman's number number nine Amanda Knox number eight case of
John Ben Ramsey it was the CBS special uh number seven the impostor number six cropsy number five who took Johnny
number four finding Emma The Fifth Estate docu series on Emma Philip off number three west of Memphis MH number
two Soaked in Bleach number one The Paradise Lost Trilogy series and for me Captain it was number 10 cropsy number
nine the impostor number eight making a murderer number seven the Iceman tapes that's an old one you know I like to
always throw an old one in there that's cuz you're old my friend number six the devil in the death penalty number five
dear Zachary number four who took Johnny number three killer Legends number two Eileen life and death of a serial killer
and number one I shared we both shared uh the same thoughts on number one Paradise Lost tril it's a mustat I've
probably watched it five times um but those are our lists from 2016 this is a different list like I said these are
mustsee True Crime TV so if you're listening at work what you want to do is you want to get out a little piece of
paper little pencil and write these down as you go actually or you can do what I
did I used to go to the bathroom and take naps work what I think we will do is we
will just we'll put this list on the blog so if you go to the ite at truecrime garage.com you can click on
the blog and we will have a list there for you to review and also this would be a good place to put I mean we're only
going to get to 10 things that we've seen so there's tons of other stuff out there please please send it our away
during downtime I'm always looking for something good to watch yes but uh please don't post any spoilers on there
yeah no spoilers okay so the first one I wanted to talk about Captain is one that
was highly recommended and I thought I was really looking forward to this one it was called the keepers play that
trailer for us Captain Baltimore has always been a quintessentially Catholic City the
priests were the authority whatever they told you to do you did the city has its
level of corruption sister Kathy exemplified this Spirit of compassion and kindness I have
never had a teacher like that before she was murdered our senior year and it's always haunted many people in
the community our mission we were driven to find out who hurt sister Kathy people
pop up from 45 50 years ago who say I have a story I'd like to tell you I believe Kathy say Nick was killed
because she was going to talk about what went on a Kio there's an on theere record public
story of what happened to sister Kathy and then there's the world beneath the police department and the
state could provide protection for the priest there were other people brought in local business owners politicians
that were part of this network I can testify that over a 100 victims have been abused time is getting short for us to
be able to figure out what happened to Kathy my father said to my mother you want to know why I drink because we
killed a woman and we put her behind the shop he said you see what happens when you say bad things about
people this goes bigger and deeper than we can imagine the story is not the nuns
killing the story is the cover up of the nun [Music] story powerful stuff there this story makes you want but I'm
telling you that trailer makes you want to go out and watch it oh I mean it was a very good uh docu series as well it's
about a cold case from 1969 um of a nun who was killed now the thing here though is once they start
looking into her murder you start looking at potential other crimes that were being covered up
at the same time this was a seven-part series I don't have the episode length here in front of me but they were longer
episodes probably about an hour each because this was a very comprehensive look at this case and that was the thing
that was so impressive about the makers of the keepers they probably did one of the singular best jobs when it comes to
rounding up all of the players they tracked everyone down and interviewed them and that's what's so great about
this story it's got It's got everything it's a cold case murder of a victim that
was truly a great wonderful human being that spent her life trying to help and educate others someone that should have
had absolutely no enemies but obviously she had at least one because she was murdered and once you learn about her
you realize the only way she could have had an enemy is for that person to be truly truly evil and it was made by the
same people that made the Amanda Knox documentary and the making a murderer documentary as well so if you like those
two you're going to probably like this one my favorite part of this docu series Captain was that they tracked down
living suspects and interview them rarely when you watch these docu series or documentaries can they can they get a
suspect to be able to talk right you know and that was what was so fascinating here they tracked down all
the living suspects and most of them sat through interviews and it's weird because at times you know they they kind
of you you look at some of the things they say and you're like this person probably did this and then other things
they say you're like maybe not um but this is an absolutely great docu series one thing we wanted to do was we wanted
to give some kind of grading to each one not disclosure I haven't seen this one yet okay well and maybe we should talk
about that now because this is a comprehensive list this is you brought some to the table I brought some to the
table some of them you have seen some of I have seen and some overlap where we've
both seen that and we only had a week to binge yeah so sometimes the binging of the the
drinking uh kind of got in the way of the binging of the watching you know when you end up taking a power nap like
like I like to call it power nap when you're binging on the binging so the three things we wanted to discuss with
each one of these that we go through today is one a grading to each one we'll give them a bottle cap grading one
through five just like we do the beers five being the most delicious documentary docu series out there mhm um
number two would be was it binge worthy and number three would you watch it again right so Captain I think for this
one for Keepers I gave it four out of five bottle caps I thought it was very well done it's pretty high yeah it's
it's a very good docu series binge worthy I would say yes and and I I got to kind of give a little more thought to
that than just a yes the way that it worked for me was this was highly anticipated by me I was really looking
forward to this docu series it does start off a little slow episode one episode two was a little little slow
once once I got through two I couldn't get enough of it I started tearing through these things because I'm like
they start getting to the suspects and I'm like I got to know what happened I got to know what these weirdos are up to
um would I watch it again I I actually I put no for what I watch it again just because it was very comprehensive like I
said it was very thorough I actually don't find a need to watch it again I was able to absorb everything and I
thought they did a fantastic job and like you said it's a multi it's seven parts or something like that so that's a
lot to it's a commitment to rewatch again yeah so now that you watch this series would you put it on your top 10
list of best True Crime docs or would it take somebody's place I putting you on the spot yeah you did I
didn't realize this was going to be part of the conversation I don't I don't know
I don't think so um would be my best answer tell me your answer you son of a [ __ ] I don't think so it was very good
and I would ABS I've recommended it to people outside of the garage but you want to knock somebody off your list no
not for not for the keepers okay next up we have OJ Simpson the Lost confession in the captain has a clip from that
interview for us the chapter chapter six is called the night in question uh and you write in the book
now picture this and keep in mind that this is hypothetical hypothetical hypothetical why don't you tell me what
might have happened on the night of June 12th 1994 and let's just walk through the I well first of all this is very
difficult for me to do this uh it was very difficult for me because it's hypothetical I know and I accept the
fact that people are going to feel whatever way they going to feel you know uh they going to uh um you know some
whatever whatever they want to fil in the book The hypothetical is uh Charlie Charlie uh this guy Charlie shows up the
guy who I had recently become friends with and uh I don't know why you had been buying
the CO's house but it told me you wouldn't believe what's going on over there and uh and I remember thinking
well whatever's going over there's got to stop right so we kind of hooked up together and uh you know I'm kind of
broad stroke in this we go over get into Bronco and go over let's just go back and do the details where did you park to
the details you park in the hypothetical go in the alley you park in the alley yeah
and you put on a w cap and gloves uh in hypothetical put on capping gloves right and um you reached under
the seat for um a knife I always kept a knife and a car for the crazies and stuff cuz you
can't travel with a gun and I remember Charlie saying you ain't bringing it I didn't right but I believe he took it
Charlie took the knife yeah in the book yeah yes so the back gate you go through the back
gate yes and it was open or broken or I don't recall okay I go to the front and I'm looking to see what's going on um
and I can see that it appears like Nicole had had candles all the time she really did to keep her overhead down I
think and music was on and uh while I was there a guy shows up you know so Ron Goldman comes in the back a yeah a guy I
really didn't recognize I may have seen him around but I really didn't recognize
him to be anyone and uh and I in the mood I was in I started having words with him she says
to you I just came by to return a pair of glasses Judy left them at the restaurant yeah I words to that effect
yes and and uh I don't know if I believed it or didn't believe it uh it was pretty much immaterial because you
know uh I was more concerned about everything that that everything that was going on you know and uh was fed up with
it I guess and uh you get into a fight Nicole comes out verbal a verbal fight a verbal fight got a little loud and by
that time uh uh Nicole had come out so let me see if I have this right Captain this was actually filmed this was a
interview SLC confession that was actually filmed in 2016 or I'm sorry 2006 well they never called a confession
in 2006 it was just an interview Right filmed in 2006 but not released not televised until
2018 right so the story I heard was you know obviously O.J wrote the book uh if I did it and this was to promote that
book and so it was you know we're going to give an interview about the hypotheticals that he wrote about in the
book right and that was in 2006 now the story I heard was the Goldman's came out
and they basically [ __ ] blocked it right and they were like you're not going to
be doing an interview about this and they had a bunch of issues because they were not getting paid from the civil
suit that he was supposed to pay him for so any profit that he made off the book
and if you look at the book now I believe it says it was written by uh the Goldman's it's wasn't even technically
written by OJ because anything any of the profits of that book go to the Goldman right so for whatever reason 12
years later they decide to release this interview but they didn't very cool way because they have a panel of people uh
the host that was on the interview in 2006 they also have uh Christopher Darden which was one of the prosecutors
uh in the OJ trial MH and they have this whole panel of and there was a some lady
that was friends with Nicole Simpson so they'd play clips of the interview and then want the panel's reaction right and
it's 2 hours long but I'm telling you the whole two hours my my jaw was on the floor you told me you were on the edge
of your seat for because because you hear right there in that clip that you selected for us you hear that you're
like these are bizarre answers well OJ's bizarre anyways yeah but he's and just the amount of laughing he does it's I
mean it's so shocking and anybody that does not believe that he is guilty uh of these murders should just watch this
this interview um and I think they call it the Lost confession again he's he States over and
over hypothetical or in the book right so that's not really a confession where I find a lot of tells was you'll find
during the interview he'll say well as I remember and that's different like if you made up a story you wouldn't be
remembering the story you would be you're just remembering life and there's a bunch of little tells
and it was very CH chilling um and it was just very odd but I it was definitely well worth watching
I'm going to give it um 3.5 bottle caps there you go and I would uh it's easy to
binge watch obviously it's two hours long so it's not the technical term binge watching and when I watch it again
um I would say yes I've actually watched several Clips um that have been on YouTube again and listen to several
reactions of people reacting to those those clips so yes I would watch it again next up we have murder in the
park to free a wrongfully convicted man 48 hours away from being executed has got to be the great dream of any
reporter anywhere there was one problem though it was one big lie a bunch of kids who had taken a course
on journalism dug up the information that was there available to the police we went and we reenacted the crime and
we found out that the eyewitness couldn't have seen it at all they were Heroes the case was a pivotal moment in
the abolition of the death penalty in Illinois I'm commuting the sentence of all death row inmat I said there's
something going on but what's going on is not what you see on TV the journalism Professor
intentionally leav out the most important fact of all They seized on the name of a guy with no evidence and
concluded he was the real killer he tells me that a man is getting ready to die for something I
did she told us that she had been there when her husband committed the crime I had two G totally inconsistent the
victims were shot five times how many shots did you hear really three maybe four I don't know this case had a motive
behind it bigger than the crime I was in the wrong place place at the wrong time these guys are saying
they'll help me get out of prison I'll say whatever they want me to say we got the right guy Anthony Porter
killed those two people it's an utter outrage it's Justice upside down what would make this right is my
freedom murder in the park came out in 2014 it's a hour and a half long it's the story that has rocked the city of
Chicago and a case that many believe is the reason why the state of Illinois abolished the death penalty so Anthony
Porter who was once convicted of a double homicide and sentenced to death his death sentence is commuted just days
before the execution was to be carried out this happens when another man confesses to the crime so they release
Anthony Porter but then many start to doubt his innocence and suspect that both men were simply Pawns in a much
much larger plan this is available on Netflix I highly recommend this one Captain it's a fascinating story I have
seen Clips I have just not seen the whole thing yet I give this is one that when I downloaded the trailer I was like
I got to go watch this tonight mhm it's a very good trailer yes it's it's a very
good documentary well and with all the stuff with Adon sayed's case going on it's kind of remind it's remnant of that
yes uh I give it four out of five bottle caps and another high score would I watch it
again you know binge Worthy is kind of a weird one that applies more to the docu
series not so much the uh CU I sat down and watched this all in one one take you
know I might have hit pause to get up and get a second beer but sat down and watched it all in one take now four out
of five bottle caps and would I watch it again yes yes I would watch this one again we'll get right back to mustsee
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the binging so we talked about the creepers the keepers we also talked about OJ Simpson the Lost confession and
murder in the Park yeah and the next one up is a interesting one Captain called warmwood War worm wood let's roll the
clip welcome Dr Olsen it says here you've been unsettled in this cold war the most
dangerous weapon is information you are the men who know the secrets we are the men who keep the
secrets [Music] [Applause] what were you told at the time of your father's death I was told that your
father has had an accident but that was the cover story told by the [Music] CIA all right wormwood you have not seen
this one have you I have not but it came out late 2017 on Netflix this was a six-part series it's about a man named
Frank Olen who died under mysterious circumstances back in 1953 and the story is told through his
son Eric Olsen well this is a famous kind of like um urban legend right about this CIA agent that was fed some LSD MH
and then this agent jumped out the window to his death and this is a urban legend I've heard for years I don't have
you heard this for years I I have heard it for years because you've told me about it okay for years hey did you hear
about the guy that jumped out of the window yeah you told me last time um so not much to get into here and I don't
want to spoil anything but it's his son did a bunch of digging and there was a bunch of lawsuits and there's a bunch of
information that comes out and it's very fascinating and anybody that thinks that
the government just does what they tell you they're doing this is a documentary you're going to want to watch because
this is very factual and it's also backed up like I said by the lawsuits um now I'm old so the first time I went to
to watch this it was pretty late and I knew that it was a series so I figured well I'll get through one and maybe I'll
watch you know one a day for the next few days or whatever and I passed out okay the first the first episode but
we're not to judge this on that experience is is what I think you're trying to say yeah and and so I think it
was the next day I watched it and some of it is a little dry there's some really cool scenes where they reenact
them m with some really good actors and then also you know olsson's son I think is a very likable character and I think
that plays well into enjoying it so I'm going to give it uh three bottle caps and it's definitely binge worthy and
would I binge it again um I'm going to say no I'm going to say no okay continuing on Captain next up one of my
favorites The Thin Blue Line [Music] oh we started putting the facts together on how much information we actually had
we found out we didn't have anything we' never really gone that long in Dallas without clearing the murder of
a police officer we had several kill but we' always cleared them pretty quick however we finally got The Brak
that cleared [Music] it the day they picked me up they took me upstairs but they put me in a little
room he had a confession there he wanted me to sign said that I would sign it he
didn't give a damn what I said I would sign this piece of paper he's got I told him I
[Music] couldn't you get numb you get it's like a bad dream you want to wake up what you can't do it Randall
never had any prior record and as far as we know he never had any History of Violence
[Music] whatever when I'm asleep at night and close my eyes I think why would he do it
he had no background that would lead to murder no reason to commit a murder I just felt they prosecuted the wrong
person I don't know [Music] why all right when we were picking docs to watch must SE actually thought we're
going to try to pick it in this decade well that's a good leading Captain because the Thin Blue Line came
out in 1988 it's uh 103 minutes long and you know I absolutely love the older documentaries I I love them in this one
The Thin Blue Line is an absolute Masterpiece yes it's about pregnancy test well this is kind of fitting that
we followed wormwood with The Thin Blue Line because they have the same director
now just 20 years or 30 years later hey personally I think he should do a true crime documentary every year he's that
good at it this covers a story about a one about one night in November back in 1976 when a man named Randall Adams his
car breaks down on the side of the road he's stranded and he accepts a ride from
a teenager this is David Harris Harris is driving a stolen vehicle and later that night Dallas police officer Robert
Wood pulls the car over and he is shot and killed now this classic documentary explores David Harris's perjured
testimony misleading witness accounts and police Miss conduct that led a jury to believe that Randall Adams is the
killer so let me tell you what I loved about this the most okay so this was a 1988 release right and a strange side
note here this was released in Select theaters which is not common place today with true crime documentaries but since
it was in 1980s production it's got that simple perfect format that was used on Unsolved Mysteries short interview clips
followed by reenactments of the night of the crime which warmwood has reenactments as well so yeah and style
right yeah his last name is Morris I believe the director and he actually came under Fire for this for that style
using that style in this documentary they were like you shouldn't have done reenactments it ruined it they just
wanted the critics just wanted to see the interviews and I could not disagree more and I tell you why because the way
that he breaks this down is that you hear an interview with one of the individuals one of the players involved
in this crime whether it be law enforcement eyewitness or one of the suspects you hear their version of the
story and the the documentary starts off showing you a basic a very basic almost
newspaper account uh reenactment of the crime right and then as you get each person's story they start to add more to
the reenactment as they go through it so so it kind of overlaps as it goes so each time they show the reenactment
you're getting more and more of the story after several accounts the real story starts to take shape I absolutely
love this one you can watch this on Netflix I gave it five out of five bottle caps wow yeah um and would I man
would you watch it again I I actually put no for this which sounds weird when I give it five out of five but that's
only it's only because I've watched it twice already so so I I guess you can say yes would watch again okay so that
again that's one that I haven't seen and I think that's all the ones that I haven't seen or you haven't seen right
no we have call me lucky oh yeah call me lucky so let's roll the trailer well there's a couple of things I have to
accomplish and if I do I think I'll be able to put my little tile in the grand Mosaic of life and those two things are
they like to overthrow the government of the United States and they like to close
the Catholic Church Church Barry crims was this weird mythical force he'd spawned all of these great humorists
Paul of Poundstone Lanny Kevin meaning Dennis lirry he was a guy who you heard about before you actually saw him this
whispered about presence I never met anyone like him he's just this combination of gnome Chomsky and
Bluto I got caught smuggling books into Kentucky got off in a technicality no one could prove they were
books why do women go to the bathroom in Paris cuz they get hassled by drunk men he
would go into a rage and watch the kind of stuff I can do here just get out I don't like you he stopped I think
worrying about whether he was being funny or not there was a lot of personal things
that happened in his life when he was young that came out later it was uh the most shocking thing I think in my life
that I heard it's scary for anybody of any age to really see someone who's the face of evil
when AOL was in its infancy he was looking for other survivors in chat room bar called me up he said look at this
and I went wow I couldn't believe you know what I was seeing I just can't imagine pretending to be one of these
people that c him such misery he was angry he essentially left us with a big problem he damaged himself to save these
kids after months of knocking on aol's door I was suddenly face to face before the US Senate Judiciary Committee AOL is
the key Link in a network of child pornography traffickers they weren't quite sure what to make a
Barry we could not surrender being rude funny obnoxious truth tellers I can't think of anybody that I respect more
than Buri he's a reminder that you do have power no matter what they do I'm a witness to what you can go on to become
call me lucky all right call me lucky it came out out in 2015 it was directed by
Bobcat gowe there you go from the um Police Academy movies yeah a standup comedian and it's about the comedian
Barry kriens and this is maybe not a true crime show I'm going to stop you there I'm going to stop you there
because you called me just a couple days ago when we were talking about different
documentaries what should go on the list what shouldn't and you said to me you said hey I got this one that I loved but
I don't know if it's true crime well I wanted to watch it right but I don't I didn't know if it was true crime cuz
I've only seen interviews about this documentary call me lucky and I thought I knew there was element there that was
possibly true crime so I said hey let's put it on the list I'm definitely going to check it out well I'm not only going
to have your back on this decision here Captain I'm going to help Champion your cause because from my understanding this
is one that I've not seen but from my understanding this this man who grew up to be a comedian he he had a
traumatic childhood he was raped as a child yeah and he would go on to help arrest and convict uh pedophiles yes and
and what I find amazing about the thought of this is that you know we talk about this is a crime that
is percentage wise very under reported it's it's a it's a crime that goes under reported undetected and here we have a
man that is strong enough to come out many years later and say look this happened to me and not only did this
happen to me and everybody should have an awareness of this but also I'm going to do something about this I'm going to
help put an end to this criminal act I'm going to help round up some of these bad
guys and put them behind bars yeah and so what he did basically was um and I don't want to give too much away the
majority of the documentary goes over Barry's life how he got to this point and at some point he had a breakdown on
stage and this was I believe in the mid 90s and he just basically came out and explained that he was raped um then he
actually went into pretty much hiding into Cleveland and he discovered that these pedophiles were using AOL chat
rooms and he just spent years is collecting information and then he took that uh to the government and presented
the information and there's great scenes of him debating uh the spokesperson from
uh AOL and basically saying look you guys are you guys are protecting these criminals right and he was and this is
before anybody had a clue that there were networking on the internet I mean some of these congressmen didn't even
understand what the internet was right and because of that he basically said here's the problem now you guys figure
that out and because of that I believe just in Cleveland alone they've been able to arrest over a thousand
individuals and it's sad and it's um funny obviously because it's about a comedian and but the cool thing about it
and I'm I'm going to change my r i put down 3.5 stars or 3.5 bottle caps but I'm going to say four you've talked
about it now you've gotten pumped up a little bit Yeah because here's what's great about it it's not just the comedy
part that's interesting it's not just what he tried to do to stop these evil monsters that he you know was attacked
again like we were talking about before when he was younger um but it was also just it was a good story about somebody
that had something awful done to him and was constantly making other people lives
better and after you're done watching it you think how can I do that every day to
wake up and how can I make maybe somebody else's life better so I I just think it's a good story overall and uh
and I also heard this great story that they didn't have funding towards the end and um Bobcat
went to Robin Williams when Robin Williams was sick and he said great comedian no longer with us right and he
went to him and said you know I feel like I'm torturing this guy I'm making him relive you know making Barry relive
these things and making him visit places that maybe he shouldn't have to revisit
and now we're out of money and I don't know what to do and we've been working on this for years and Robin Williams
even though he was you know ill at the time he said this is too important not to be made and it's too important for
people not to see it and he helped fun to finish the documentary so I high recommend this I'm going to give it like
I said four bottle caps um binge worthy obviously it's like an hour and a half and would I watch it again um I don't
know I mean I think if I need some inspiration to try to be a better person it would be a good thing but it it is
very dark subject matter so mhm I don't know if I if I could watch it again next
up we have the family I had 911 go ahead I I killed somebody you think you killed somebody no I know I
did my sister I feel so messed up the day that Ella was born Paris fell in love years later he destroyed my
life I'm horrified about what he did to Ella but I never stopped loving Paris Paris know somewhere inside of him
he is dark and it's so obvious that he needs help he said you used to say that you
would never be able to kill anybody unless they hurt one of your kids I bet you didn't think it was going
to turn out like this the family I had came out in 2017 it's an hour and 17 minutes long it's about a mother who
recounts how her family was shattered after her almost IUS IQ level son commits murder this one is especially
sad it's uh you know look True Crime is sad it's shocking it's disturbing this is this one is a mustat but my warning
is it's sad just like when we did this before and I recommended dear Zachary um I cried a little during that documentary
I don't know if I cried during this one but I was I was pretty close a few times
uh but I do say this was a mustat this was on ID Investigation Discovery Channel so it's so to find this you may
want to check out their website but I know it's available for purchase on YouTube and Google Play yeah I watched
it I think on iTunes and this is very similar to me to New Town the documentary New Town mhm and so the
thing I liked about it is it makes you Ponder makes you wonder and it makes you cautious of you know I have nieces
and nephews and you start thinking well maybe you should watch for things um because you know in hindsight they start
thinking well if we would have picked this up that our son said if we would have thought this was strange that our
son said um so that's the part I liked about the part I didn't like about it is I prefer uh a true crime doc or series
that's actually doing some kind of investigation and is there a who done it factor and in this case it's like we
know who did it right and now here's the aftermath and it's very similar to like
it's a new town where it's like it's just it's like it gets sad and it just stays sad so I think it's a a good one I
rated it uh two and a half bottle caps I gave this one three and a half out of five and and the reason being for me
some times when I sit down to watch something you know I I'm looking for I love anything that that invokes
emotion good or bad you know some some documentaries some movies will make me angry some will make me sad some will
make me inspired um and anything I find anything that invokes emotion to be a powerful
thing and for that purpose I gave this three and a half out of five bottle caps right obviously it's binge worthy cuz
it's not that long um I would not watch it again though because it's just like I
said it's it's sad and stay sad and the other interesting thing is there's there's some weird stuff about the
grandmother that kind of comes to light in some kind of weird interviews that she has where I go man you should dive
into that a little more it almost makes you wonder if the old Apple didn't fall too far from the tree in some some
aspect yeah so again it's good but um be warned that it's very sad next up we have the Golden State killer it's not
over for 40 years he played a game with law enforcement he said I'll kill you with
clenched teeth we have his DNA we just have to find the right guy he is a nightmare come to life and
he could be anywhere this one is one of the more recent ones on our list this came out this year on
the ID Investigation Discovery Channel but not to be confused with a show called search for Golden State killer
unmasking the killer TV series those are two different ones and actually I didn't
know that the other one existed until I watched this one uh this was the Golden State killer it's not over was a four
part docu series each about an hour long with commercials so you know 40 minutes
long without in this one we have a man named Paul holes he's an expert Cold Case Investigator I'm not certain but I
think Paul is with the Contra Costa County don't quotee me on that but some of the crimes that they document here
took place there now the Golden State killer in my opinion is one of the worst predators of the late 20th century I
know some of you have heard of him you may have also be familiar with his other names ears which is short for East area
rapist or yet another name the original nightstalker so why so many names well this is a horrible individual that
terrorized several communities he has three different moners because it took years to figure out that all of these
crimes committed in different areas were in fact the work of the same offender so
this monster started off breaking into homes and stealing things this then turned into breaking into homes with
young women or teenage girls in the home followed by binding them and raping them
then this so graduates to murder so just like anything with criminals there can be an actual often gradual Evolution
especially when you're talking about someone who breaks in rapes robs and kills right there's a lot of crimes
being committed this guy that they are looking for is responsible for 50 rapes in Northern California in the mid 70s
and the murder of 12 people in Southern California from 1979 to 1986 I tell you what Captain I gave this
one three out of five bottle caps and as far as binge worthy I I'm gonna I'm gonna say so so on the binge worthy
because there's a lot of crimes being committed there's a lot of it's it's kind of a you know there's 50 rapes
there's there's 12 murders and it's it kind of gets a little heavy in the sense that it's like they're reporting on this
crime this crime this crime this crime this crime it gets to be a lot to kind of take in and digest you said three out
of five bottle caps I gave it three I actually gave it three and a quarter there you go bottle caps now I should
State I have a really good friend Morgan if you're out there what up man give me
a call um he is very big into ears right that's this doesn't sound right he's really big into the um Golden State zero
killer and so I don't know a lot about the case and I think that's why I rate it a little bit higher because I'm not
that familiar with it and so I thought it was a really good introduction for me um now Morgan my friend that really
listen um knows a lot about this case suggested the other one is better unmasking the killer yeah and so I'm
guessing that's better if you know more about the crime okay you know so again I
don't know much about it I've heard you know obviously in circles you know we'll
talk a lot about like dmer and we'll talk a lot about West Memphis 3 and different things like that and God I
think I've talked to everybody about the mara Murray case but this is the case anytime it's brought up I just kind of
have to sit back and go I don't even know what they're talking about so it was a very good introduction I'm going
to say uh three and a quarter bottle caps I'm going to say it's binge worthy and would I watch it again uh probably
not I'd probably watch the other one that my friend uh Morgan uh told me to watch yeah I said the same thing I
probably would not watch it again I I do think it's good um and and here's the thing what I enjoyed the most about it
uh to to you know it's it's tough to say would you watch it again no but you should go watch it right the reason why
I'm telling other people to go watch it is because they did a good job with with
coming up with some new theories and maybe these theories are only new to me but I found the theories that they
presented during this docu series to be fascinating and so interesting theories interesting possible solutions to to
horrible crimes that have gripped California the city of California for decades all right we're down to the
final two uh okay so like I said big fan of Mara Murray so I have to put The Disappearance of Mara Murray the docu
series that was on oxygen on this list we don't know where she is we don't know where she was going and we don't know
what happened to her the UMass college student hasn't been seen since she crashed on Route 112
in Woodsville a witness saw her walking away from the accident she was going to graduate into
a nurse in Korea she was a role model for me such a driven individual she didn't deserve any
harm where is Mor Murray what happened to her how does a person disappear when there's
three people watching do you wish you had gone back sometimes I think that I may have disappeared too Fred what do
you think happened tomorrow guy grabbed her and killed her it makes you think that this is a serial killer I think
Mora found out she was pregnant I'd like to think maybe she escaped she wanted to
start her new life somewhere marrow we knew was completely different than what's come up in all of
these theories sure enough I started peeling back the layers and I found all these
secrets it sounded like she was crying and she mentioned something about her sister why are you upset with the police
I think they're hiding something none of the police contacted me and I'm her sister you cannot trust anybody her
family policemen people who were on the scene what did you do Mister you will become obsessed with
this case if you haven't already you will this is a last day attempt to solve this case and I just want to find the
truth potentially this could be the last piece of evidence that could help us link anything to Mora Murray's case I
really think you can find her you see her phe that's the longest time you ever sat for a Ste out what the hell is this
there he is that's him what's he running from he knows where is my daughter all right we've talked about this before
on the show we had the host Maggie and art on to talk about it with us M um this is oxygen and again a lot of you
know I prefer it seems like I think they're shot better the ones that are done for Netflix not always but I think
the ones that are done for like Netflix or Hulu it seems like they have a little
bit better of a budget but this one is shot so freaking well it just looks good it sounds good you have two goodlook
hosts mag Maggie's good-looking and and Art's a handsome devil and being so close to a case like this and it becomes
a little more personal right it's like anytime they make a documentary or somebody's coming out like with when
truth and Justice said that they're going to cover the West Memphis 3 case it's like it feels person person you
know and and you question it and and Bob's doing a good job if you like the West Memphis 3 case check out the truth
and justus's podcast he's doing a good job on that but with Amara Murray I've researched it so much I'm so into it
right away um from my good friend aelia telling me about the case it's like I was sucked in for months um followed the
every podcast about it and then you find out it's going to be on oxygen and the first thing is you think oh God don't
ruin this right and so you got to get used to the host are they going to grow on you
um both of the host grew on me you know over a couple episodes you got to start seeing their personalities you got to
start seeing the way they think and art just has a great um a great investigative mind mhm and the thing
that I love like like I said it was shot really well it's a six-part series uh but each an hour long yeah you
you couldn't binge it because they you can B binge it now but you couldn't then because it came out every week and I
remember the first time thinking I'm just going to wait you know the six weeks or whatever so I can binge it all
at the same time and that that did not happen I watched every week and every I think it was on like a Saturday so I had
to like you know people would be like hey come have a beer or something I'm going like oh I'm busy got work in the
morning but that's just cuz I wanted to watch the docu series and I thought it was really good but the thing that I
loved about it was this case in particular has all these talking points and all these points of speculation that
people have speculated on the internet for years and years and years and for some reason this case is very polarizing
and if you think that you uh know let's say one of the points of speculation that you have a gut feeling that that
you know what happened they did a really really good job of taking all these points that have been discussed
throughout the years and breaking them down one by one and actually coming up with
answers and and I would argue now there's still some people that are like oh what they came up with is is [ __ ]
right no I would say that a lot of the theories that they came up with a lot of the tests they've done actually prove
things and they can and to me it stops the conversation of a lot of points of speculation well the thing here Captain
they kind of did something what we have had to do here in the garage a few times
sometimes when you take a look at a case and you really dive in near the end of it you start to go okay we're not going
to be able to come to a final conclusion we're not going to be able to say who we
think did it or we think this happened this way and and why it happened this way so so what they were very smart
about is they took a lot of these different theories a lot of these different angles and they did something
that I love they crossed a few of them off right you know because sometimes when you can't when you can't say this
is what happened at least you can go ahead and investigate and tell us what didn't happen so we can get a little
closer to the truth and I thought they did a fantastic job of doing that uh you said binge worthy I say extremely binge
worthy and I I'll tell you why this is what I did I kind of let the DVR fill up with this one for a while right and it
was just because I knew the case well enough and I thought okay this is going to go one of two
ways either I'm not going to like it and it's going to be a waste of my time right Kaku poo poo poo yeah or B and
this is what I was hoping for is that I know how this case goes and I thought if
they do this well I'm not going to want to just watch one episode I'm going to want to watch two or three so I let the
old DVR fill up with this one for a while and six parts I think I watched it in three nights uh once it was all done
so I would say this is extremely binge worthy uh as far as a grade I gave this a three and A2 bottle caps out of five
um would I watch it again I I actually I put no but I I don't know that that actually would you watch it again to me
doesn't have any justification as to how good something is right right sometimes
when things when things are laid out very clear and cut and they're very precise and the way that they deliver
the information you don't need to watch it again I felt like I absorbed it all I
I felt like I could give a book report on it when I was done and like I said this was a case and like you said this
was a case that we both studied a lot so we hold it in high regard oh my God I hope they do this right and they did it
right they did a great job well this case is so strange too because um I remember Aurelia telling me when she
goes oh have you heard of this marar case it's a crazy case and I remember talking to James Renard the first time
and he said yeah yes this is a weird case because you become a part of it is what he said right so think about it
this on in these ways um this documentary comes out now we don't know Maggie and art but now we do and we're
going to be hanging out with Maggie at crime con so if you haven't got your crime Con tickets make sure you do so
use our code TC garage uh but Maggie will be there and we'll be hanging out and drinking I'm not for sure if art
will be there I hope he is cuz I'd like to drink with him but Tim and Lance were
on the show we've hung out and we've drank with Tim and Lance and our buddy James rener the King of Cleveland we've
hung out and drank with him so there's a lot of people that we know in real life
that were actually in this docu series which was uh made it even more personal are you grading on a curve because you
know those people and you're going to have to see them no I'm not I actually I I scrutinized it more because of that I
think so and and like I said I mean I I did developed over a couple episodes I developed a little little bit of a crush
on Maggie I won't deny that um I have a big crush on Art yeah and that's okay cuz I have I you know I have some man
feelings for art as well now I I did find out that Maggie has a awesome boyfriend and he's way cooler than I am
so there's no chance there I mean the guy has way cooler tattoos and I think he has awesome motorcycle so I do not
have a motor you're getting off track here I'm getting off track my I digress anyways it's a great series and I think
more docu series should be done this way it's you know it was more about trying to find answers than it was telling a
story and for that like I gave it four and a half bottle caps I said it's B binge worthy and would I watch it again
I have I've watched it um now what I do it'd be like the third episode or the fourth episode and they'd replay the old
ones or play a couple before and so I'd watch just to see if I miss something um
anyways I think it's really great and you should check it out I think you can do so just on oxygen.com or whatever
well and I'll tell you what Captain you know oxygen before this docu series came
out oxygen had already decided that they were going to throw their hat in the ring the the True Crime garage I'm sorry
they going to throw their hat in the old true crime ring that's that's the bourbon talking but I'll tell you what I
think that this docu series The Disappearance of mar I think for me this showed that oxygen
deserves to be there they belong there yeah and being friends with uh Maggie and art it'll be interesting to see if
they do something else again um but let's get to the final one my friend that's right rounding out the top that's
right rounding out the 10 let's keep that in there yeah I can't do top 10 rounding out the top 10 it's not a top
10 list rounding out our 10 today we have mind Hunter it's not easy butchering people it's
hard work physically and mentally I don't think people realize you need to vent you know there's a lot more like
me do you think so 40 years ago your FBI was founded hunting down John Dillinger
now we have extreme violence between strangers we travel around the country and teach FBI techniques to Cops you
guys mind if I bother you for a minute she was found cuffed and lashed to the bed what people won't do to each other
there's nothing people want do how can we help we should be using every resource we can talking to the smartest
people we find from the broadest possible Spectrum are criminals born or are they formed psychopaths are
convinced that there's nothing wrong with them so these men are virtually impossible to study yet you have found a
way in near perfect Laboratory conditions hello ladies that's what makes this so exciting and potentially
so far-reaching I can't let these guys rub off on me the way they view sex and women it is not our job to commiserate
with these people it is our job to electrocute them we can't like everything we do we're talking to serial
killers serial killers new terminology I'm trying to warn you your attitude is going to bite you in the ass so young to
be ruining people's lives what did you do you're developing a pattern of behavior that will not sustain you here
agent if you leave I can't help you there's no procedural rule book for how to talk to these people if any of this
is going to work we need to talk to more subjects more you want truffles you got to get in the dirt with
the pigs how do we get ahead of crazy if we don't know how crazy things oh man that's so good mine hunter
is a TV series that came on on 2017 it's about uh the FBI in the late 70s two FBI agents expand criminal
science by delving into the psychology of murder and getting uneasily close to real monsters for all of you out there
that love the show Criminal Minds this is the very adult version of Criminal Minds it's on Netflix it's a 10-part
series the episodes vary in length just like most Netflix series but I would say
most are in the 40 minute to 1 hour range yeah what really shocked me Captain I thought mind Hunter was
deserving of several Awards it's so well done and put together it it really has everything it it is slow at times but it
is violent it's dramatic uh yes it's even funny at times and it's intriguing to watch Special A agents Holden Ford
and Bill tench take apart the Criminal Mind peeling it away one layer at a time like an onion then you see them employ
techniques they have learned about the Criminal Mind and criminal Behavior through their psychological backgrounds
and what they have learned at the FBI's BSU now some people say well this is not
really a documentary and you're right it's not it's a it's a TV show but the thing here is anybody who has watched
this and you you learn this very quickly watching it it it might as well be a documentary and I say that part of it
yeah I say that because it's a true story and what I mean by that is the the criminal names that are
used and the crimes committed in the places committed and the times committed are all real that's all real stuff in
there now well not really but what do you mean well what I mean is it's it's somewhat true like first of all the the
people they talk to the killers they talk to the serial killers they talk to those are real and those are also based
off of real interviews so you could actually take clips from this show uh of them interviewing like keer right and
you can find a real interview with keer and you can compare the two and he'll say exact
lines from from the actual interviews but as they're laying that out for you and they're laying out how the FBI came
up with some of these how they um profile uh the questions they ask as they go through that which is also
factual base they also solve crimes from town to town right and those aren't real
crimes most of them are see I I didn't I didn't get that part of it so it's based off of this
this TV series is based off of the book mind Hunter by John Douglas and in the book they will give
you they'll give you a break they give you a breakdown of these crimes that the captain's talking about and as far as I
know the majority of them are real and they're told exactly how they went down and even they show you some of the
techniques that they use to get confessions from people or to put suspects back them into a corner and get
them to say incriminating things it's it's a truly fascinating show I I personally gave it five out of five me
too um as far as binge worthy I found it very binge worthy I watched the whole season in three nights um would I watch
it again I've I've already watched it twice uh I was I I was getting excited cuz I thought you know since they put
out the first series in 2017 I heard that they are going to have a second season this year MH and I thought okay
cool hopefully it's at the beginning of this year and I did a little little snooping around it looks like it's going
to come out late this year I don't have an exact date on that I don't know that they've stated an exact date um but I
out of anticipation for season two I had to watch season one again I thought it was that good they do so many things
about the so many things about this uh show are so fascinating to me one the recording equipment they have to record
these interviews uh why they're talking to the serial killers and the technology
keeps changing as technology keeps advancing so they start off with a real toore tape and I've used all these
machines that they use which I thought was neat I also think the cars that they use uh in the show is pretty fascinating
because of their time period cars um I wasn't huge into the main character at first I think the it took Holden Ford
yeah that actor it took a couple episodes for him to grow on me and now I can say he's the right guy for the job
and and I I like I like all the characters in The show and I also think it's just shot so well as far as like
the the tones they use and it's just overall just super fascinating and and so many people should win Awards uh
especially the guy that played Ed keer mhm yeah he did a fantastic job and it was weird he did such a good job that
that you're watching it you're like I really like Ed keer and then you're like wait a second what what am I talking
about it's Ed keer but yeah it I believe this takes place in the late 70s probably 77 would be my guess and my
thought here Captain I know that the the two main characters uh Holden Ford and Bill tench I believe that they're
primarily based off of John Douglas and Robert wrestler real uh Heroes and real super cops if you want to call them that
that that worked in the FBI for many years there there does seem to be a little bit of a um uh you know there
were multiple guys that worked in this this group back then and I think that there there are little pieces that they
pull in from different agents that were involved in the FBI back then to kind of
make this these two kind of super cops that are traveling around the United States interviewing serial killers for
their research and like you said solving some crimes along the way so what I thought about the the cases that they
solved in between the reason why I just thought they were based on stuff I mean it's kind of fascinating to so you're
saying whatever names they used were actual cases yes I I believe so with with the exception of one or two of them
um and I don't want to get into too many of it because part of the part of the great thing about this show is they're
deducing crimes and the Criminal Mind and they're solving crimes so I don't want to kind of give any of that away
but uh yeah most of those most of those crimes and most of those stories that are told along the way are real life
crimes that were solved by the FBI actually I say this I think technically they are solved by the local law
enforcement with the help and assistance of the FBI the only thing that I didn't
like about it overall is I thought there was too many this might sound weird coming from a man but I thought there
was too many sex scenes well I I felt like you could they could just do away with those I get what you're saying and
I think that's because the interview process when they're interviewing these different criminals mm and when they're
solving these different crimes that stuff is so interesting that you just want it to be jam-packed with
that every minute of every episode that's the way it was for me yeah maybe that's what it but I I also just think
it's such a cheap move you know and I I I've noticed that a little bit not to knock Netflix too much but I've noticed
that with a lot of the series that I've watched on Netflix they'll be like oh I can't remember what it was called Gypsy
or something where it's like it's like the whole every five minutes is a sex scene and you're like but this was this
was not that I didn't find I I found there's probably like three or four of these scenes out of 10 episodes I didn't
think it was I didn't think it was over overwhelming with that either way if you
haven't seen M either way if you haven't seen mine hunter it's very uh well worth
it and it's very ding worthy I loved it I loved it so there you have it everyone
you asked for it you got it there's 10 wonderful true crime must SE TV items for you to binge on this week and this
weekend you want to go over the list real quick sure let's hit them with the list all right so we have the keepers we
have mine hunter I'm not going in any order uh we have murder in the park we have Thin Blue Line we have The
Disappearance of Mara Murray we have the documentary the family I had the TV show Golden
State killer it's not over we have the interview the OJ Simpson the Lost confession mhm we have the docu series
warmwood on Netflix and the one that's not really true crime uh based is the one call me lucky and like we said we
will go ahead and post the list for you at true Crim garage.com yeah and if there's anything that you think we
should watch or anything that we should have put on that list put that in the blog for us as
[Music] well all right Captain it was fun talking about mustsee True Crime TV with
you today I hope everybody enjoyed our list and our recommendations and happy binging to you this weekend this weekend
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Brief Summary

Nick and the Captain recommend must-see true crime documentaries, discussing their impact and storytelling techniques.

Key points

The Keepers: A Chilling Docu-Series. Explores the murder of Sister Kathy and the dark secrets surrounding it.
O.J. Simpson's Lost Confession. A shocking interview that raises questions about guilt and truth.
Murder in the Park. A documentary that explores the wrongful conviction of Anthony Porter and its impact on the death penalty in Illinois.
Wormwood. A six-part series about Frank Olsen's mysterious death and the CIA's involvement, told through his son Eric's investigation.
Call Me Lucky. A documentary about comedian Barry Crimmins, who confronts his traumatic past and fights against child exploitation.
The Family I Had. A mother recounts the tragic murder committed by her son, exploring the aftermath.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

I've never had a teacher like that before she was murdered.

Referring to Sister Kathy's impact before her tragic death.

9:32WatchNov 16, 2023

Tension

45/ 100Some tension

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