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in hey how you doing hey Crosley hey hey good to see you again it's great seeing
you I told you I would be here soon this wasn't quite as soon as I hoped just soon
enough here I'm talking to Crosley green Crosley is a 67-year-old africanamerican
man he's fairly tall just under 6 ft with a lean build and delicate features these days Crosley is mostly bald with a
receding hairline that's speckled with more salt than Pepper did you get finally get a letter from me no see I
kept I got one sent back I sent another at the time of this interview in June of
2024 we had been meeting like this for 25 years we sound like old friends catching up except instead of meeting in
coffee shops we meet in Florida state prisons why do I keep coming back because in my entire career as a
journalist and and I've been doing this now for 40 years this is the case that troubles me most it's a bizarre and
maddening tale that involves murder a timeline that doesn't quite add up a sister testifying against a brother
death row and even the US Supreme Court and at the heart of the story Crosley green a man who has lived more than half
his life behind bars for a crime he says he didn't commit yet even after all these years Crosley only asked for one
thing don't listen to him look into his case yourself you know are you going to believe me me telling you or you going
to go out there and try to find a truth out for yourself because I can tell you things and whether not you believe it or
not it's up to you but to me for anything to be truthful that I tell you you have to go out there and
read it yourself get knowledge of it yourself I'm 48 Hours correspondent eron Mori this is murder in the Orange Grove
the troubled case against Crosley Green episode 1 moonless Night Sheriff's case number 89-
33497 to tell crosley's story we have to rewind the tapes all the the way back to
1989 the date is April 4th 1989 time is approximately 8:20 a.m. back to a sheriff's office in Titusville
Florida the county seat of Bard County along Central Florida's Space Coast uh Kim for record would you please State
your full name and spell your last name please Kim sual h a l l o c k on the morning of April 4th
1989 police were interviewing 19-year-old Kim H about a trauma that began unfolding the night before one
that would forever change the lives of Kim her ex-boyfriend Charles chip Flynn and Crosley green you somly swear the
statement you're about to give is true and corrected the best of your knowledge to help you out yes okay okay at the
time of this recording Kim had already been with investigators at the sheriff's office for 4 hours but this was the
first time they were recording her sworn statement uh let's start by uh what was the first time that you saw
the victim who is uh it was Charles Flynn we call you call him chip yes okay Kim HCK and Charles Flynn he went
by the name chip both lived in the city of Titus Ville Kim was white with dark eyes and haircut above her shoulders
those who knew her described her as a fairly smart Nic looking girl 22-year-old chip was also white with
Shaggy Sandy brown hair and a smile always on his face they dated a little over a year and a half but had broken up
about 2 months earlier Chipen moved on he had a new girlfriend and didn't talk about Kim anymore to his family or
friends but he hadn't fully cut ties with Kim either when was the first time that you saw chip yesterday which would
have been 43 of 89 about 10:00 at night he came over to my house Kim said that she and Chip watched a movie together
Pretty in Pink it was around 11:00 p.m. when he asked her if she wanted to go for a ride in his pickup truck it was a
82 ship relay Stepside 4x4 pickup truck what color dark blue chip had a manual transmission
truck a a stick shift there was only one row of seats so Kim sat on the passenger
side while chip drove to holder Park in the nearby town of Mims they parked the truck on the doomes by the baseball
field under some trees after about 15 minutes a patrol Deputy drove by but he didn't see the couple another few
minutes passed and Kim said she saw someone else walking towards them from the baseball fields it's after that a
black guy walked up in front of the truck Kim told the police that she and Chip were instantly unsettled by this
unknown man who she called quote unquote the black guy you'll hear Kim say this over and over again when speaking with
police I was looking out and then I looked down and I saw the black guy come up and I told Chip there's a black guy
on on your side and he rolled up the window real quick Kim said she was unnerved by the encounter and told Chip
she wanted to leave the park but chip said it was all right because the man had left Kim said that about 20 minutes
later chip got out of the truck to go to the bathroom and that's when she heard him say wait a minute hold on wait a
minute man and I just look and I saw a black guy according to Kim's timeline the time would be between 11:30 and
midnight Kim said that she remembered that chip had a pistol in the glove box so she pulled it out and hid it under a
pair of jeans on the seat beside her and that's when the man she said told Chip to get on the
ground did you see that uh the black male was armed at that time yes I did cuz he was in front of the door okay she
said he asked how much money they had and started calling calling them names even calling him crack crackhead crack
cracker head and me chips just said just let her go you have me there as salent said he would
let them go but first Kim said he threw one of Chip's sneakers at her and then told her to take the shoelace out she
said that while the assalot was tying up Chip's arms with that shoelace his gun went
off nobody was hurt and Kim told please that she didn't think the gunshot was intentional but on the moonless night it
would have been terrifying Kim said that at this point chip was on his knees no shoes on his
arms tied behind his back with a shoelace the as salent pulled Chip's wallet out of his pants pocket and he
opened up the wallet and then he threw me told me to take out the money M and count it and approximately how much
money was in the wallet $185 okay the as salent allowed her to get out of the truck himim said and then
come around to where he and Chip were standing before instructing her to start the truck what is he doing with the gun
while he is instructing giving you the instructions he's got Chip he's holding the gun on chip
yeah then according to Kim all all three of them got back in the pickup truck on
that one row of seats chip is now in the passenger side with his hands tied Kim in the middle and they're now kidnappers
steering and shifting gears They begged him to let them go with chip once again offering himself up to save Kim Take Me
Do What if you want just let her go he said he was going to but he I knew he wasn't this might have been the best
chance Kim how it got to really look at the as salant although it was still pitch black and according to Kim the
truck's interior light might not have been working the police officer questioning Kim was eager to try to pin
down a physical description of the as salant from his height how tall was he between 58 and about 6 foot mhm and his
weight about 108 lb mhm kind of a big Bill to his clothing had a big heavy jacket on a
dark heavy jacket remember what possibly green a real dull green blue jeans and big heavy boots
like working boots to his hairstyle just afro and there nothing fancy nothing weird was a thick long short just
thick kind of long was not long a little bit little bit of an ass uhhuh but Kim was unable to provide a
detailed description anything else unusual about the face not really not I really didn't get a real good look
at him I was really scared in her teror Kim said she did not get a good look at the as salant another police officer
prester about the man's Footwear again later in the interview describing his Footwear are you certain of what type of
Footwear he was wearing yes or no not real sir so the answer is no right okay could he have been wearing
tennis shoes that's possible isn't it yeah but it seems like tennis shoes weren't heavy
enough for what he was okay your recollection in describing his Footwear is not based on something you visually
saw and remember remember it's a sound you heard Kim told B that the man made her and Chip duck down as they drove out
of holder Park and when chip lifted his head Kim said the as salent yelled at him to put it down or he'd blow his head
off okay what was he doing with the gun on he had it at me where where was he pointing at my side mhm was he holding
it there while he was shifting too how was he how was he doing that he had he had his hand sh for
sure if you couldn't quite hear Kim said that their kidnapper was holding the gun
pointing it at her while shifting gears and driving at this point chip found his
own gun the one that Kim said she hid under a pair of jeans on the seat chip motioned to Kim to scoot up so he could
get a clear shot at their as salent but Kim said she couldn't move without the driver
noticing 10 minutes later the as salent stopped the truck at a familiar Landmark
the orange factory nevan's orange factory that's it mhm Kim and Chip were in an Orange Grove in the city of
Titusville Florida they is salent she said shut the car off it was completely dark then he yanked Kim out of the
driver's seat by her arm Kim said she pulled free and then ran around to the passenger side of the truck opening
Chip's door and just as she put one foot inside the as salent yanked her out again and she fell to the ground by the
back rear tire the as salant got one arm around her and held his gun on her my hand it was on my face okay Kim said
that when she started to cry the as salent shouted that he was going to quote blow her brain out if she didn't
shut up and that's when according to Kim chip leaned out of the passenger seat his pistol still clutched in his
shoelace bound hands his hands were behind his back he leaned out of the truck and somehow shot
at the guy and the guy steep back chipped them out of the truck I jumped in the truck shut the passenger door
then I reached over and locked it and I heard about five or six gunshots so if you're following Kim said that chip shot
at the As salant and then jumped out of the passenger side of the pickup truck all with his hands still tied behind his
back the police officer asked him exactly how chip got out of the truck no like face first on the ground onto
stomach mhm so I could get in and leave and then ask him about those other gunshots okay the other shots occurred
after you got into the truck after I got in the truck do you recall how many shots chip
fired I he might have shot two I'm not sure the second one went from Chip I'm not real sure but then like four or five
came from the black guy Kim said chip yelled at her to go and in her haste to leave the Orange Grove Kim said she
might have accidentally run over Chip's leg Kim drove for about 4 miles going past the gas station and even a local
hospital stopping at a trailer park where Chip's best friend David Stroop lived it was just about a minute away
from her family home David was asleep and didn't hear Kim when she banged on his trailer door so I went back to the
where his bedroom is and I beat on the door and I told him I think chip got shot
David strou and Chip Flynn had been best friends for close to 5 years meeting at
a party after Chip's family moved down from Illinois to Florida they enjoyed doing the same kinds of things and spent
many afternoons camping four-wheeling fishing David liked that chip was easygoing without an enemy in the world
he called him country a good old boy David had been with chip just hours earlier watching a basketball game in
David's trailer around 10:30 p.m. David had started nodding off on the couch hey
man I'm going to go to bed he told Chip Chip left and David just assumed he was going home it was a work night after all
when Kim banged on David's trailer it was around 1:00 a.m. in the morning David got out of bed to let her inside
she was hysterical and told him chip had been shot up to an hour had passed since Kim
had left the Orange Grove Kim doesn't explain in her police interview why the drive took so long David tried to get
Kim to tell him exactly what happened but after a minute of not getting anywhere he told her hey we got a call
911 the initial call was very ambiguous two men fighting in the road at an intersection in Mims at 1:13 a.m.
bravard County deputy sheriff Mark rxy got the dispatch call he was out on road Patrol in fact he was the police officer
who drove through holder Park a few hours earlier that night when when he arrived at the location given to him by
Dispatch he didn't see a disturbance called the dispatch back and said Bard there's nobody here can we get
you know more information dispatch relays a new location then they say well it's down
holder road so I drive down up and down holder Road and there's nothing there something
didn't seem right normally when somebody witnesses an incident it would not be such a drastic change of location
if I told you that an incident had occurred at the Hilton in Coco Beach it wouldn't turn out later that it
actually happened 2 or three miles down the road rexie even began to suspect that
the call was fake this is a prank because nobody could get it that wrong Sergeant Diane Clark was driving
in a separate patrol car and monitoring all the dispatch calls coming into Deputy rxy by this time dispatch was
telling him shots have been fired out in the Orange Grove well the Orange Groves
go from north side of Titusville all the way to the county line and Beyond so that didn't give us a lot of
information and the the Orange Groves are there little dirt rows we we would have been tracking all night long trying
to find him time was quickly passing so Clark met up with rexie and sent another
deputy to pick up Kim HCK they all headed to the Orange Grove so Kim could show them the exact location of the
disturbance but Kim refused to get out of the police car she says he's down this road a dirt road but she's afraid
to go down there well we'll go down there Mark and I follow this dirt road or path it was so dark they couldn't see
their own hands in front of their faces so the officers had to use flashlights you know the kind of a night you get
where the stars are you think you can reach up and touch them they're so vibrant but when there's no moon they're
even more vibrant but it's like pitch black out there it was a very in the middle of the woods in the
middle of the night it was very dark both officers walk cautiously down the dark path flashlights Illuminating their
way and while I'm walking I am noticing Tire prints in the dirt perfectly detailed Tire prints so you
can actually see the tread and at the end of the path was a figure lying face down in the dirt it was Chip
Flynn almost like a fetal position his hands are tied behind his back with a Sho
string kind of crossed over behind him um he had a a bullet wound who Blood on the right side of his
chest um he didn't have any shoes on Clark CER an ambulance while rexie moved quickly to free chip from the bindings
on his hands he seemed very cognant very um very alert not suffering from uh the effects of a gunshot there was a
gun on the ground just one a 22 caliber pistol and Chip was moaning alive and conscious we started asking him who did
this to you and all he said was get me out of here well could you at least tell us
which way he went because as far as we were concerned there was an armed as salent loose in The Orchards where we
were and it was a safety issue a big safety issue not only catching the suspect but a safety issue for us
because we're exposed get me out of here is all he would say chip wouldn't answer any of
their questions about his as salent I've never even heard of that happening before normally someone will say he went
that way it's this kind of guy but it quickly became clear that the more urgent priority was saving Chip's life
obviously he's injured he needs an am an ambulance it was a pool of blood under him Kim had called both her parents and
Chip's parents after calling 911 and now they were all waiting together about half a mile away from where chip lay in
the Orange Grove the police wouldn't let them any closer worried that an armed as
salant could still be lurking nearby down the dirt path Chip's condition took a turn for the worst you know all of a
sudden his breathing got shallow all of a sudden you know he he deteriorated really quickly chip stopped breathing
but he still had a pulse so Clark performed mouth-to-mouth resuscitation and I'm waiting for the
ambulance and it seems like forever when the am you know it just seems like when
you're it's life and death you feel like oh my God are they ever going to get here and they could hear them in the
distance the ambulance was close by by waiting by the main road with Kim her parents Chip's parents and more police
that had arrived for backup but the police wouldn't let paramedics any closer still concerned that a man with a
gun could be waiting to attack back in the Grove Clark was able to resuscitate chip but then he stopped breing the
second time I did mou to mouth again brought him back chip had a sucking chest wound and when Clark saw it she
knew Chip's condition was far more critical than it first appeared you know every minute that ticks away with that
kind of a wound is closer to death it needed a cellophane dressing but she didn't have one only thing I had was a
handkerchief so I took that out covered it to keep the try to keep the air out and try to stop the bleeding chip
stopped breathing a third time when the ambulance finally arrived rescue Personnel sped him off to the hospital
but chip didn't make it that far uh Communications notified me around 220 or so that he had expired that he
had died uh we did everything we could to try to save him and you know it's like
that's my job and it was very hard to to not have been able to do more for him officer rxy questioned why it took
so long to nail down Chip's location in the first place if we had been able to locate him the very first
time the time lapse between the time we found him and the time we got the call would have been about 5 to 10 minutes
instead of 45 while Kim was transported to the Sheriff's Office for questioning officers Clark and rexie remained behind
to protect the scene until the crime scene unit arrived before Daybreak as they left the scene rexie noticed
something that had caught his eye the night before on the way out of the Orange Grove I followed the same path
that the truck left the orchard in and again I noticed that the tire prints were perfectly detailed
uh if you leave a Sandy area or a dirt area in a hurry you're going to have some Tire spin there's not going to be
perfectly detailed tire tracks and these were perfectly detailed like there was no big rush to to
[Music] leave by this point you're probably wondering what any of this has to do
with Crosley green or maybe you've already guessed I was in h Park that night we all go to Holy Park I live
there I live right right behind the baseball field there yes that holder Park the one where Kim said quote a
black man robbed and then kidnapped her in chip before taking them to the Orange
Grove Crosley green is a self-described sports fanatic he was a star Athlete on the high school football team back in
the day and on the afternoon and early evening of April 3rdd 1989 31-year-old Crosley green was in holder
Park watching a little league baseball game and after the baseball game he says he left the park hoping to catch a
college basketball game on TV possibly the same game that chip and David were watching in the trailer it
was the NCAA tournament championship game it was doing a playoff time I wanted to get back and watch the games
Crosley says that he left holder Park just as it was getting dark dark sometime between 9: and 10 p.m. and
walked to the house of his cousin carlen Brothers which is uh approximately I would
say mileage wise 3 or 4 miles Crosley walked those miles in his white rebok tennis shoes I
walk I walk but it I didn't go down the roads okay you can go through the Orange
Grove you know or cut instead of go all around the corner he cut across the corners cutting through the Orange Grove
yes that Orange Grove he got to caren's house a little after 1 p.m. he watched TV with her uh Hall was on I stayed
there watch your hall at the time this show was running at the time at night arcenio Halls show ran from 11:00 p.m.
to midnight after watching the show for a while Crosley says he went out to the road in front of caren's house he was
selling drugs marijuana and cocaine at the time even though he had just gotten out of prison on a drug charge the time
that cley was out on the road selling drugs differs depending on who you talk to Carlene's ex-boyfriend James K says
Crosley was back inside the house at 12:40 a.m. James says he remembers because Crosley interrupted an argument
that he was having with carlen there dispute about what she was doing and stuff like this another guy so they got
a little argument little push around James had let the air out of a tire on caren's car so she couldn't leave
Crosley helped deescalate the argument he wasn't the type of guy to normally get involved in other people's business
but he says that when he saw something wrong he'd intervene he told carlen and James you ought to work things out James
said the three of them then sat down and talked before Crosley walked to the house of another friend in the
neighborhood never went back to Holy Park the only other place I went to from from carlen house was over to Lori rain
house Lori Reigns had once been crosley's girlfriend and while they weren't dating at the time he had known
her for over 10 years and she was still a good friend I mean to me he's a very very nice man I mean you know when me
and him first got together my daughter was young and he really treated her very nice I mean he treated me very nice I
never had any problems with him you know I really honestly didn't he was a very gentleman to me but here's where the
stories about crosley's whereabouts differ Lori said that Crosley arrived at her apartment in Mims on the night of
April 3rd around 11:00 p.m. the last time he came to my house was like 11: 11:15
both Lori and Crosley say that he stayed at Lorie's house for the rest of the night we we basically didn't go to S
like about 1 1:30 something like there when we fell asleep Crosley green says that he left Lor's house the next
morning around 700 a.m. and then walked back past his cousin caren's house carlen was outside dealing with that
flat tire that James had given her the night before carlen called out to Crosley by his nickname Papa
let's hear from her he was walking over towards my way so I say papa I said come
change my tie said this boy flat my tie Crosley then changed her tire for her according to carlen Crosley was in his
usual good spirits a nice friendly move that move he always been very nice and friendly this was about 700 a.m. on
April 4th just a few miles away at a local County sheriff's office in Titusville Kim H was meeting with police
telling them about the black man that she said attacked her in chip Flynn officer Mark rxy was filing his case
report and Chip fn's parents were grieving the death of their youngest son on the next episode of Murder in the
Orange Grove the troubled case against Crosley green when did you find out you were a suspect when did I find out I was
suspect mhm um maybe a day or two days after that was the main suspect and what was your
reaction what was my reaction to that was that here I go [Music] again murder in the Orange Grove was
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On a moonless night, a terrifying tale unfolded involving an alleged kidnapping and a murder, all within a timeline that didn't quite add up. 19-year-old Kim Hallock found herself at the center of a traumatic event – one that would forever change the trajectory of her life, that of her ex-boyfriend Charles "Chip" Flynn, and a man named Crosley Green.

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Brief Summary

Crosley Green's wrongful murder conviction unfolds through testimonies and investigations surrounding Chip Flynn's death in 1989.

Key points

The Troubled Case Against Crosley Green. Crosley Green has spent over half his life in prison for a crime he insists he didn't commit.
A Night of Terror. Kim H recounts the harrowing night when she and Chip were attacked.
Desperate Moments. Chip Flynn's condition deteriorates rapidly after being shot, leading to a frantic rescue effort.
Crosley's Alibi. Crosley claims he was at a friend's house during the crime.
The Tire Incident. Crosley helps his cousin with a flat tire the morning after the incident.
Becoming a Suspect. Crosley learns he is the main suspect in the case.

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Don't listen to him, look into his case yourself.

Crosley Green urges listeners to seek the truth.

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