Missing on Campus /// Part 2 /// 523 | Forensic Files

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crime [Music] yesterday we spoke of some of the things that did not take place early on in the
investigation into missing college campus student Judy Martin's case today let's start off by talking about
some of the things that was done in the early parts of the investigation were done however this is after she's been
missing for seven days on May 31st a review of The Radio log and vehicle registrations run that night are made
officers are spoken to who were working on the night in question nothing out of the ordinary is reported security
officer Matt strope is spoken with he can't remember anything unusual from that night he did report that he is
familiar with Ms Martin and that she is prone to travel in late night hours riding a light blue 10-speed bicycle
strope also stated that she was supposedly dressed in hooker's attire again his words on numerous occasions
and was seen with males associated with the drug culture the Lilac House Commons and Taylor Hill
area were searched with negative results officers investigated the following they
checked those radio logs Vehicle registrations and checked for student status at that time the student security
Aid incident reports for May 23rd and 24th were all checked all vehicles passing the Midway and
theater intersections were stopped on this day and questioned to see if they saw anything strange on the 23rd or the
24th the Bike Room at Engelman Hall was checked for a blue male 10-speed bike the one that Judy would have owned
never found Taylor Hall architecture students were monitored for anyone who may have been
there on May 23rd 24th and they checked the roof of Dunbar the boiler room and all exterior entrances a ground search
from Dunbar to Engelman was conducted at this time so we're seeing ground searches here captain we're seeing that
they're searching the buildings they're checking anything that could be some kind of paper trail to either find and
locate Judy or to find or locate someone that may have seen something or heard something or somebody that should be a
suspect in this case they're coming up with nothing here well a couple things College these guys she's known to be
seen with guys in the drug scene it's College the whole place is the drug scene where's this bike at why can't we
find this bike the bike to me has always been a big question this was her you know code of Transportation while on
campus the bike from my understanding has never been recovered in fact that was one of
the questions that I asked law enforcement when we spoke with them has the bike ever been recovered and they
said no but part of that though too they kind of said that the bike to them is not of great concern not 40 years later
it would have been back then and they said yes it would have been nice to have located that bike but they wonder that
with her missing we don't know where the last place she left the bike would be if
it was under lock and key of course it would have been found but it could be simply somebody stole a
bike or simply someone took the bike they should know where I think the reason why it's not of great importance
to them all these years later is because of that night and the stories that they
have from Witnesses some of them suspects some of them not but independent witnesses that say that
she was not using the bike that night yeah but here's my problem when you say she had about
a football field to two football field links to go back home that's enough to get on your bike
but then once you put that individual on the bike then to me the radius in which you need
to search is a lot further away because she has the capability of oh if I'm if she wanted to go a couple miles down the
street to a bar or something she obviously has the means to do so detectives in law enforcement will spend
the following day conducting more of their investigation and part of the day starts off with them calling everyone in
Judy's address book no new information was gathered from those calls now detectives physically searched wooded
areas that surrounded the university a dozen security AIDS assisted in the search so they have multiple detectives
along with at least according to the statement a dozen security aides that are helping with this search from my
understanding from what I've been told Captain is that the grounds the campus looks much different today than it did
back then and from my understanding is that you could walk 20 yards in one direction from some of these dorm
buildings and be entering the woods or be right in the middle of a wooded area and a lot more lights now they also
searched Dunbar Prentice and Engelman Hall and all the wooded areas that surrounded the health center and across
from Manchester Hall I guess there's a coal dump area off of Roads Road r h o d e s road that was searched as well on
that day but like you stated uh Judy she went to the all boys dorm room and there was at least
five individuals that we know spoke with her so where are we at on questioning them you're right Captain because now's
the point where you've spoke with them at least once or twice before now you need to follow up on those interviews
because maybe someone hasn't been truthful or maybe somebody remembered something of importance from that night
so they speak with John beckony again and this time he says that Judy came back to his room later that night at
some point that night and she retrieved portions of her outfit that she was wearing that night the glasses the wig
and I believe the trench coat but the the statement there it's hard to read so it's it's tough for me to translate what
what that other word is but at least his statement says that she came back to his
dorm retrieved the glasses and the wig and she put them back on and then left this is interesting here because this
actually contradicts his statement that he gave to them before remember he says the slight variation being that he with
a friend left to go to 7-Eleven and that he gave these items to her before they left before he and the friend left we
also have Jim kratchik who is interviewed again and in this interview he's basically saying all the same stuff
he does say that uh he signs a voluntary consent to have his car and his room searched and they do follow up on this
and they say that no signs of violence or any evidence was found in either of his vehicle or his room at this time he
does agree to take a polygraph now we've mentioned polygraph several times already in this investigation and
throughout our story and what I want to point out here is there are a lot of people that do end up taking polygraphs
what we are seeing in the initial portion of this investigation Captain is people agreeing to a polygraph so when
we say that someone agreed to a polygraph that doesn't mean that they were immediately sat down and
administered the test right then and there or even that same day right here's where we come to another interesting and
kind of strange portion or event in our timeline this is on June 2nd 1978 so she's been missing for over a
week at this point and the report that police get is that Judy allegedly was reported to be at a garage
sale and while she's at the garage sale hey little little bit of self-promotion here
we're always having a garage sale at truecrime garage.com click on the store Page Judy is allegedly at this garage
sale she's speaking with the homeowners that are conducting the sale and she tells them that she was thinking about
going to South America or to Mexico and also mentions hitchhiking maybe that's going to be her method of getting to
South America or Mexico and she was purchasing some garments some clothing items for this trip or at least the
people holding the garage sale believed that's why she was purchasing these items again just like the other
eyewitness that thought he saw her get into a vehicle these individuals didn't know Judy personally that's correct they
only know of her because of the missing person's case and the Flyers and the News That's in the newspapers later that
same day a man named Jeff reported to police that he picked up a girl that he saw walking on May 31st she was out
hitchhiking Jeff says he does not know this girl's name but he picked her up offered her a ride and states that he
took her to Taco Fiesta sounds like a restaurant and Main Street and she stated during the course of this
car ride that she was going to get some shots so that she could go to Mexico or South
America this is interesting because it's kind of it's in line with the garage sale story but again we don't know that
it means that it's actually Judy or not but now we have the garage sale people and this Jeff guy coming forward
independently of one another both saying that they believe they may have spoke to
and seen Judy after she supposedly had disappeared but let's go back to her on-again off-again boyfriend Jim young
Jim Young on this day captain on June 2nd he is interviewed at Avon Lake Police Department and they do they taped
the interview from this interview they learn more about Mr Jim young and during the interview he does consent to
searches of his car and his apartment which were later conducted and they report negative results meaning they
found nothing of evidentiary value in either search but during in this interview Captain Jim young tells the
police because he's asked during this interview do you own any firearms and he says yes I own several Firearms but
apparently shortly before Judy's disappearance he shot out the window of his apartment
like accidentally fired the gun or the gun went off and it shot out his window he'll shoot
your eye out kid now he tells them I own several firearms and you the police should know that because
after I accidentally shot out my window you confiscated all of my guns because I
have a pending trial for this incident so all of his guns were in police custody at the time that Judy went
missing he also states that he does not have any knowledge of Judy using any hard drugs young also states that Judy
told him that she was seeing someone at Kent State who was in ROTC and that he was a nice guy but did not know the name
of this individual one thing that I find interesting here too Captain is that Jim
young also states to police and detectives that he wouldn't think that Judy would run
away that she would take off on her own he said yeah she was impulsive at times and she would like to do you know fun or
wild things at times he goes but she is spontaneous that was not her personality
is what he was saying that that he that she wouldn't just take off and I find that interesting because he is very much
considered a suspect at that time and for him to state that it's almost eliminating an out that he
might have if he in fact did do something bad if he is responsible in any way for her disappearance well same
with the hard drugs but a key thing here we've talked about polygraph tests and please don't throw tomatoes or eggs at
me we we all have the same suspicions of these tests but it should be noted when
we are going to talk about these that Jim young took a polygraph test and he actually took his polygraph test
at BCI yeah so at the BCI office there's if you want to set a bar High it would be tough to set it any higher than that
for portions of Ohio well I think one of the main reasons why I mean you don't like him as a as the number one suspect
would be the distance away yeah he may not have an alibi for that night he says that he was home it was it was the
middle of the week he said he was home doing normal stuff he had to work that day work the next morning he said I
don't really have anybody that can verify that I was at home because I was at home by myself but according to BCI
he passes the polygraph test and as you just pointed out Captain he's at minimum
and hours drive away where we have several individuals by their own admissions that they were there with her
that night close to the time that she magically disappears so it's just another obstacle
that gets in the way to make him a suspect of any priority over these others so normally I would like the
boyfriend or the ex-lover to be looked at pretty hard but I think in this case the
distance and also I like the fact that he is the one that points out look she's not somebody to run away
to me if you want to if you're guilty you're gonna go you're gonna throw out the kitchen sink well she could have ran
away with this other guy she could she always wanted to live in Chicago you know just make up a bunch of random
stories to get the cops looking all over the place and he's very Cooperative with
the investigation it seems to me I get the impression that this is a guy that did care for her at one time probably
still cared for her and he's just trying to help I think he's the closest to being ruled out
but obviously they're not rolling out individuals in this the case are you ready for some more strange
yeah this in the timeline for some strange yeah to me this is one of the more bizarre points in the or events in
the timeline on June 2nd detective Ross Jamerson of the this this is weird because now we're going to see a whole
different agency we've talked about Avon Lake Police Department the Kent State Police Department
this when you have this kind of case going on this is receiving some media attention
and what it looks like to me reviewing the file here Captain is that we have people that want to help
that they see something or hear something they want to pass along the information to the proper channels
they just don't know who to report it to so now we're going to see a third agency
get involved and this is detective Jamerson of the Portage County Sheriff's Office who calls to advise that Daryl
Dunlop their dispatcher at the Sheriff's Office received a call from w-h-l-o Radio that's a radio station
that's still around today from my understanding advising that they received an anonymous call from a male
caller who stated that Judy Martins could be located buried under a stack of pine branches a quarter of a mile from a
burned down cabin at Pippin Lake this would be in Towners Woods Park area in Brady lake off of Ravina Road
detective Jamerson also stated that an individual named Jack gray has been hanging around campus and the courthouse
in Ravina talking about Towners woods and that this Jack gray said that he had done something bad in towner's woods so
the sheriff's office is calling to report two things these are I don't want them to get mixed together these are two
different things there's an anonymous caller they called into a radio station claiming to know where Judy was buried
and also there's this weirdo guy who's hanging around the campus or in the courthouse and he's saying that he had
done something bad in towner's woods so this is just this detective doing his due diligence pointing out like this
Anonymous call came in we're not saying it's from this Jack gray we're simply saying that we also have an individual
that said he did something bad in towner's woods which is a similar you know generally it's the same location as
where this Anonymous caller is saying you would find the body of our missing individual well with technology and some
a little bit of police work maybe they're able to identify this Anonymous caller well in what was great too
Captain was the DJ that took the call the anonymous call did try to pry some information from the caller he said hey
hey what's your 20. hey we're playing rock and roll all night wnbc wnbc so they interviewed the DJ and they talk
with anybody that they can talk to at the radio station his name was rock and roll Ralph and they said that the
anonymous caller while they didn't give their name or refused to give their name
did provide an address now of course the caller could just be throwing out somebody else's address
but they tracked down the address to an individual that they kind of knew or that one of the police agencies somewhat
knew to a John Edmonds now his name is actually reported differently in a couple different spots some places he's
John Edwards but the majority of the time is John Edmonds I think that's just a typo that it was in fact John Edmonds
Police kind of knew who this guy was and I think it's because he's he's out there
man and so the detectives learn they go to this address the the address that was
given belongs to this John Edmonds and he claims to have psychic powers possible you never know now you never
know uh the other description that they get from the DJ was that the caller was described as sounding fairly old and
maybe having respiratory problems they don't ever State anything about John Edmonds having respiratory problems
or if he sounded to be old but he was not an old individual at the time of them going and speaking with him he
agrees to take them to a location in towner's woods what I'm getting at here Captain is while the caller could have
just given some fictitious address it sounds to me like when you go to the address and the guy's like yeah I have
psychic powers and yes I'll go to that spot with you in the woods that sounds to me like confirmation that he was the
caller they go to this spot in towner's woods and of course they don't locate Judy
Martin's buried anywhere at that point but this John Edmonds to his credit seems to be cooperative
you know regardless of his his situation that same day Nancy Martens remember this is Judy's younger sister
she calls the police department and she says that she went and spoke with the couple that was hosting the garage sale
and had a long conversation with them and they talked about the girl that could be her sister being at the garage
sale and this girl wanted to go to Mexico or South America now Nancy said after having this long conversation with
those two individuals she believed that they were in fact trying to help and that they probably did see and have the
conversation that they said they had but things that they stated about the person
that they spoke with at the garage sale she's telling police like this wasn't my
sister it may have looked like her she may have been about the same age but there were things that they were
telling me about this person that do not line up with my sister some good news in
this investigation they are able to locate the individual that they believe was at that garage sale the mystery
garage sale customer yes on June 5th detective Brandon located a female named Lori gumbinder she is the subject seen
at the garage sale by the Snyders they were the ones hosting and the girl this was also confirmed that Jeff remember he
gave somebody a ride a hitchhiker a ride when shown a picture of this Lorry individual he agrees yes that's yes Not
only was she the one at the garage sale but she's also the girl that I picked up
the young lady that I picked up right so she was located and spoken with and this
was some good detective work because what he did was he went to a location where you would go to get your photo
taken for for a passport so he goes there with pictures of Judy Martin saying hey have you seen anybody that
looks like her or her that came in here to get a passport so that they could go to Mexico or South America that's how he
ends up tracking down this individual so Nancy Martins the younger sister her suspicions were confirmed that it was
not her sister at the garage sale that day [Music] [Music] to the windows to the walls cheers
everybody cheers to you colonel so much more more twists to get into on the Judy Martin's case the case just
keeps getting stranger and stranger as we go along here but nice to get some answers along the way oh let me throw
out something for you and one of the things that was interesting in this case was you know
she went missing in 78 this is around the time the world would know a certain individual or come to know a certain of
individual Ted Bundy and a lot of people when she first went missing started there was rumors flying around because
here's this guy that he went to college uh he would have been traveling all over
the country possibly and is it possible because she looks so much like his typical victim but one of the things
that you pointed out because you're the goat is most if not all if not all victims of Ted
Bundy were found and if it's your lunch break or breakfast Time cover your ears people
because that his victims were found simply because he didn't bury them he didn't
bury them because he would return and do things with the body have sex with it that's right and so
that all kind of makes sense and that's why I feel like we can't really Place him in this area at that time of the
night in question and there was one individual that again we don't know we'd have to see hardcore evidence of
this but one individual at least that states that Bundy was probably locked up or was in fact locked up at that time
which seems accurate to me he did have some ties to Pennsylvania so it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that
he could be in the area or passing through the area and of course a lot of his victims were in fact college aged
students yeah and he would have been serving time and 78 and um serving time in Florida oh
this was after the Florida so this would have been yeah so he it's not Bundy then
we can sounds like we can put a a bow on that one yeah put a bow on Bundy and also ban the tan sedan and I think too
here Captain Bundy makes an interesting leap to another serial killer who has been thought of or actually two other
serial killers who have been considered as suspects or Persons of Interest in this case the first being a William John
Posey Jr he's of significant interest to me and to this case because he is a serial
killer known identified serial killer of two women or some say at least two women
and he was also known to be living in the Kent area at this time all right that's interesting back in 78 in fact in
one article he lived a 10-minute drive from the college campus and was found hiding in the bedroom
closet of a woman who he did not know or who did not know him creeper in Kent and
this is according to assistant chief of police John Peach so a couple issues with this individual
one same as Bundy as we don't even know yes he had an apartment not that far blocks away from campus
but that doesn't mean he was in the area at the time and there are some reports not confirmed but that there's some
reports that he was actually in jail that night in Columbus Ohio yeah so the the statement is that he was locked up
at least in the afternoon or evening hours of May 24th 1978. I don't know when he went into lock up
or into the jail but they have confirmation that he was in jail at that time so that would be an issue for him
to get rid of this body if he was involved in The Disappearance that took place in the early morning hours of May
24th the other thing with Posey that I found very interesting he's in Columbus getting rid of the body
that's true good point uh one thing that I find interesting about Posey though and this is coming from law enforcement
they firmly believe and of course nothing's 100 percent until this case is solved
but they firmly believe that had Posey killed Judy Martins that he would have told them so he confessed the two
murders that he committed he confessed to both of them and in one case he tried to lead them to the body that's never
been recovered and I think that's another suspicion that people on the outside had that go well not only did he
kill two college-aged females but one in one case the body was never recovered and that's what we have here in Judy's
case so that's the similarities but for me I think that's where the similarities
end because one of the murders Captain he was suspected of and actually convicted of
the kidnapping of this young woman never convicted of having killed her it was him it was Posey who went out of his way
when he was diagnosed to be terminally ill he reached out to law enforcement and
said by the way I did Kill this young woman and this is how I did it this is where I
did it this is why I did it and I will lead you to her body and those officials have stated outwardly
that this man yes he was a murderer he's a horrible individual but he was trying
to get right with God before he died he wanted to confess to everything that he had done he wanted to try to wipe the
Slate clean if you will yeah and you know me I don't like to trust guys that use fake names but what was the fake
name he used I knew you were going to put me on the spot and try to make me pronounce you say it and not me it looks
like if I were to spell this it almost looks like scorpion but it looks like he was using the name
John T scorpini or scorpani scorpini yeah but uh it looks like a torpini because he had a little weenie it looks
to me almost like the word scorpion with a with a few extra vowels in it yeah here's where things get a little more
crazy if they weren't crazy enough for you yet if you're if your head's not spinning like a top then there's
something you have your own issues here's the problem with this case is when you first hear you go okay well
there's not a lot of evidence and there's not but the speculation and the twists and turns around what we
don't know there's a lot there there's certainly a lot and to pile it on more we have this
really great article that ran about the case in August of 1983 and anybody that that's able to locate this or want some
more information on this case this would be the first place that I direct them to
it's an August 7th article in the plain dealer of 1983 and it was a magazine you
know that's a newspaper but they also had a Weekly Magazine or monthly magazine they ran a story that's simply
titled where is Judy Martins and it's a really good informative article on the case and you have officers reflecting on
the case five years after she's been missing and telling you what they did right and what they did wrong
and this article really drums up a lot of information and a lot of excitement from the General
Public and it really causes a lot of people to start coming forward in fact there was
one detective that later said that this article in this magazine brought a lot of people out of the
woodwork that they started to get some more information on the case and maybe a lot of it was bad information but what
this directly leads to Captain is within a very short period of time the Avon Lake Police Department receives a phone
call stating that this is from an individual that works in law enforcement in States you know on this night very
recently we had someone a woman that was brought in for prostitution charges being held here in our jail and that it
was Judy Martin's I'm telling you that's who we saw now this is five years after the fact
the law enforcement agency basically says look it does resemble her it could be her
although it looks like you know not only has she aged five years but maybe drugs
and a hard life have aged her considerably in that five-year time period there's so
much weight given to this that Judy Martins must have dropped out of school headed out of town and became a street
walker in Cleveland did they start writing an article there's an individual that wrote a lengthy article about this
situation and States all the similarities between the two well the first one we should
point out is that when this female was booked at the jail she gives the name Judy Martinez right that's not a not a
far jump from Judy Martins that's one number two she looks almost identical to Judy Martins yes add
add in the drugs and the hard life right right but they're practically the same height
they look very similar and this article that I read even states that they had the same birthmark I mean it goes on and
on it just rattles off a whole bunch of what's what people need to know is that Judy at the time that she went missing
they didn't have her fingerprints on file so they couldn't even test for finger fingerprints at that time and they would
they were under the belief that this individual this Judy Martinez would not tell them would not be honest
if she was in fact Judy Martins so they get Judy Martin's Family involved in this her mom or dad or brother or sister
this is where it gets even more wild they go down there and they meet this individual and you say more wild but
I've actually seen red heard multiple versions of this story and this portion of the story anyway
and some of those versions say that Judy's mother believed it was Judy other other versions of the story state
that the family knew almost instantaneously that it was not her that they as much as they wanted it to be her
it was not and they even felt that this this reporter that wrote several articles or
at least one lengthy article about this situation that he may have embellished a little bit on the
similarities between Judy Martinez and Judy Martins and made it sound you know like it was
in fact the same person before delivering at the end that it was not right now based off of they based this
off of dental records that Judy Martins had her four wisdom teeth removed and this individual still had her four
wisdom teeth and of course somebody then reports a week or so later that on very very very
rare occasions someone can have these teeth removed and they can grow back I don't know if that's yeah I don't know
if that's real or not I've been told that that's a real thing but I'm not a dentist I don't play one on TV and I'm
not gonna pretend to know about the rumor is can grow back yeah but the rumor is your anti-dentite my my
wisdom teeth have not grown back I can I can only report what I know it makes a lot of sense now well you also heard
that they did a handwriting sample yes and do you know what the outcome of that was I've seen I've seen that it
matched 95 percent and that's great and now now hold on just I want I want people to understand
see have this sink in a little bit for the most part I don't buy the whole polygraph thing take it or leave it I
think it's a it's a it's a barometer if they don't want to take the test it's a barometer of where they're at and that's
why I believe that we should administer the test it shouldn't be allowed in the court no no no no no but this joke of a
science should never be allowed in anything and you have family members that are saying nope that is not Judy we
we have dental records that say nope that's not Judy but then 95 matching to to handwriting samples that this is
her so and and I bring this up because when people talk about the handwriting samples and the JonBenet Ramsey case
just knock it off this is junk science rant over right and I can't agree with you any
more there Captain there's uh there's no reason to believe other than you could hug me some suspicions that this person
was Judy Martins in fact the original name she gives when she's arrested is uh Sandra Lopez
and then later says that she's Judy Martinez I my guess here is look she's booked and she's going to be charged
with criminal activity yeah and she's probably willing to play along in some way or form she's street smart right
she's going to see if hey if I play along with some of this will it help me out of my current predicament yeah and
but one time she was arrested she said I'm George Lopez the next day she says I'm Mario Lopez well in in the end she
denies being Judy Martins her family Judy Martin's Family says this is not her again there's a story
where Dolores believed that it was right her daughter and Arthur did not believe and
nobody else in the family believed again I think that portion of the story might
be embellished or it's just it's just a broken-hearted woman saying or wanting to try to believe that maybe there's a
chance that this is my little girl that I've been missing and lost for five years in fact Dolores Martins goes out
of her way to tell the newspapers that poor young woman that I met there that day was not my daughter but I'm here to
tell you there was a good Soul there was a good child inside of that woman and I
feel bad for her and I wish her nothing but the best and I'm hoping that things can turn around for her so which is
surprising though because didn't she say some mean things to the family she said
you know at some point Judy Martins is better off dead well that's coming from somebody that's in a position that she's
in well she's probably a drug addict and yeah yeah it's it's just another sad portion of this story where it's it's a
person that's lived a hard life and probably been dealt a a bad deal yeah well and you feel so bad look I I used
to say people have the right to make the decision of whatever they want and it's
not my place to tell people whether or not they're doing drugs but then you start realizing
some of them had no choice some of them got in a situation where it wasn't just as simple as hey I went out to party one
day and then things got out of hand some of these people legitimately get into this situation and I just feel bad for
these individuals because it you know part of it is a is a the addiction is a sickness and
they probably want to be dead so they don't have to deal with the addiction but it's just sad either way well it's a
downward spiral that they really have no control over even if they want out and to get clean and do the right thing they
they really don't have in some cases as sad as it may sound don't have a choice in the matter at some point
at the end of the day here Captain what we have here is a case that is over 40 years old nobody believes no law
enforcement agency believes it might sound good on the Internet or on somebody else's podcast
but nobody working the case then Nor today believe that Judy Martens is alive and that she left on her own and started
a new life somewhere I've been told and I think the evidence points to this and you brought up
something very interesting off Mike when we were discussing this case and we'll get to that in just a second but whoever
is responsible for her going missing their name is in this file their name is in that timeline of that
night in the early morning hours of the 23rd and the 24th this was not committed
by Ted bunny this was not committed by William Posey this was not committed by Sam little his name gets mentioned in
this case too a serial killer that was known to drive through Ohio and may have uh several Ohio victims well I think one
of the things for him was he would do drawings of his victims and sometimes try to put the date of when they went
missing or roughly the time he the the tough thing about this though is he'll he'll actually write 1986 or 1976.
so sometimes his dates are wildly they've wildly varied but there is a couple women that could possibly match
her from that area but I don't know if they match up in as as far as timeline goes and there were some other missing
persons cases that Judy Martin's case gets mentioned in the same paragraph with from time to
time over the years and that's Yvonne regler who was 17 and went missing from that same area not a college student she
was working at a gas station by herself and it looks to me like somebody abducted her at the gas station there
was a Kathy Morrow age 22. Yvonne regler and Judy Martins are still missing to this day I could not find and
I spent a good deal of time on this and it was a fruitless search here Captain I
could not find any update on Kathy Morrow's case whether she was ever located found dead or or murdered or you
know any of those bad news things I couldn't locate anything on her I have suspicions that she was probably
found because Yvonne and Judy are both still listed on the Charlie projects website and other places where
Kathy Morrow is no longer listed or was never entered on those databases and I find the the Charlie project website
to be incredibly accurate one of the more accurate if not the most accurate one out there when it comes to
Nationwide missing persons and if you're into missing person cases as much as I am please take the time even just as
much of a as a Starbucks cup of coffee five dollars because a long way to supporting them and their research and
all the time that they spend it's well worth it because if you've listened to podcasts throughout the years you've
probably listened to hundreds of cases and they all pretty much reference the Charlie project you're exactly right
Captain there are many podcasters mini internet sleuths and uh YouTubers that use this Charlie project website and
it's charlieproject.org for those that are not familiar it's uh Charlie with a Y go
and take a little look-see on on that website Megan Good runs the website and is doing very very good work as I like
to say and I hope those other podcasters and YouTubers are regular donors to her
and to the Charlie project because I hope and pray that that never goes away but again Captain this case sadly we're
looking for a body here and another sad aspect of this law enforcement has basically said you know if we would have
had a body early on this investigation would have went completely different and they believe that the person or persons
responsible would already be in custody that this would be a an easy case for them to to execute uh even with the
blunders and the delay of Kent State but Avon Lake did good work on this the Portage County Sheriff's Office did good
work on this the U.S Marshals were brought in on this case and those guys and girls are no slouches at all in fact
they were brought in because of the Posey portion of this case because he was actually apprehended in Texas and
the two women that he killed were not from Ohio he he lived in other states throughout different portions of his
life in fact I believe one was in Vermont a girl that he knew a woman that he knew in Vermont and one was a woman
in Illinois so they're brought in once we have somebody who's already in custody and we have cases that are going
from state to state to state and so in this case here we are really looking for a body or looking for any of
those missing items that were never located the wig the imitation leather purse any of those garments that she may have
been wearing that night or any any form of identification or anything that she would have had with her that night that
is what they are currently looking for and circling back to one of the most powerful things in this case and it's
something that you said to me before we hit record when we were just chilling in the garage and kind of
spitballing about the case you said to me I said do you want a hit of this doobie you said at any point
and your research could you find could you find someone saying that Judy Martins told them that she was
returning to her room after hanging out with different people that night now there's one portion in the timeline
where she does tell a friend at her dorm building that she might return to her friend's dorm after going over to visit
with some of the fellas over at the male dormitory but at no point out of all of these guys
that saw her toward the end of the night and leading up to her disappearance and
none of their statements does any of them say that she said that she was returning to her dorm now a lot of
people would go well doesn't that call into question the idea that maybe she was taking off or maybe she went
elsewhere and could have been abducted elsewhere of course it does but here's what I want to point out Judy
Martin's probably did not have the opportunity to say that to anyone because this was probably not a planned
murder something happened in the course of a conversation or activities that night
that led to some kind of struggle she didn't have the opportunity to say that she was going home that night because
somebody stopped her from going home that night and I think we talk about this from time to time
here in the garage unfortunately in some cases the perpetrator or perpetrators get lucky
and here we might have that situation Captain where all of the students leaving campus and the holiday break
coming up and Kent State not jumping in right away on this may have helped the perpetrator
or perpetrators get rid of this body and conceal this body and it's not been found and they
got rid of evidence they cleaned things up they got their stories together yeah to me it's very simple she was we have
no eyewitness that saw her after she was in the all-male dorm room and I just as much as the next guy or
girl love a good story right I love a good mystery it's very intriguing to hear that oh there was this mysterious
person that was arrested for charges in Cleveland and she looked just like Judy Martins and had the same birth date and
birthmark and this that and the other thing there's this mysterious Shopper at a garage sale who looked just like Judy
and said that she was going to South America that stuff is very intriguing it wasn't
her at that garage sale it wasn't her who was picked up in Cleveland sometimes a cigar is just a smoke and sometimes
the the answer is obvious and it's right there in front of you and here that's exactly what we have with this case
those people those individuals that by their own admissions said that they were the last ones to see her that night one
of them or some of them are responsible for this and one of them may have done it all by themselves I have a firm
belief and a very strong suspicion and plenty of reason and plenty of reasons why to believe that even if one
individual took this young woman's life that they probably had some help in getting rid of her body
[Music] as always thanks for listening tell your friends tell your brother tell your
mother how about some recommended reading Captain yes sir this is a must read you
know there are such weird coincidences at times in our lives here I was a few weeks ago discussing some case with
someone they're telling me all about this case that I'd never heard of before the case involved twin brothers one of
them was killed it was originally ruled a suicide and there's a police cover-up and a pack of teenagers this is a case
out of Columbia Maryland in the 90s and as this person was telling me more and more about the case I kept saying wow
this is such an interesting case why have I not heard of this case before so then just a couple of days later I find
this book called losing John a teen's tragic death a police cover-up and a community's fight for Justice by David
Parish it's a book on that case so this book kind of found me I didn't go looking for
it and I would not have known about this case if I hadn't been talking to the person so I love those interesting
little coincidences so do yourself a favor and check out losing John by David Parrish you'll be reading through this
almost two unbelievable to be true true crime books and you'll ask yourself the same thing why have I not heard of this
case before oh and another weird thing here captain in the story Christina Gutierrez the lawyer who defended Adnan
Syed was the attorney for one of the major players in this story again that's losing John a teen's tragic death a
police cover-up and a community's fight for Justice by David Parish and you don't have to write that title down
right now because you will find it on our recommended page at truecrime garage.com and until next week be good
be kind and don't litter foreign [Music] [Applause]

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses Judy Martin's disappearance, police investigations, witness accounts, and potential suspects over 40 years later.

Key points

Welcome to True Crime Garage. Hosts Nick and the Captain introduce the show with humor and gratitude.
The Missing Bike Mystery. The investigation into Judy Martin's disappearance raises questions about her missing bicycle.
Judy's Garage Sale Plans. Witnesses report Judy discussing plans to travel to South America or Mexico.
Jim Young's Firearms Confession. Judy's boyfriend reveals he had firearms confiscated prior to her disappearance.
The Mystery of Judy's Sister. Nancy Martens believes the girl at the garage sale isn't her sister.
Detective Work Pays Off. Detective Brandon locates Lori Gumbinder, the garage sale customer.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

Where's this bike at? Why can't we find this bike?

Questioning the missing bike linked to Judy's case.

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Tension

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