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[Music] [Music] foreign [Music] Ty leads the FBI is checking an area man resembling the drawing of the suspect he
left his job last Friday has not returned but authorities will not comment further on that Amy disappeared
from the shopping center a week ago today and today FBI agents in Bay Village Police were back in the center
talking with people who might have been here then Amy reportedly left Bay square with a
man she believed to be a friend sometime between 1 and 4 P.M last Friday the shopping center was busy but few who
were here remembered anything unusual about the man and the girl what went on uh was a ploy that was developed and
carried through and it looked like a natural action going on it didn't look out of the ordinary at all today in that
same one to four pm time frame officers were trying to jog memories of Shoppers to possibly recall something from a week
ago that they did not consider important then [Music] police want anyone else who was here
last Friday afternoon to call them regardless of whether they believed they saw anything police also are seeking
other children who might have been contacted by phone as Amy was by a man as a friend seeking the child's help in
buying a gift for a parent you have had some of those yes we have how many uh I'm aware of at least three perhaps more
John Harrington Channel 3 News [Music] foreign [Music] this year in episodes 308 and 309 titled Amy mihalovic that
was from June of this year we were able to do a detailed timeline of this case this is an unsolved abduction assault
and murder case of a 10 year old girl ten-year-old Amy mihalovic this weekend unfortunately will Mark a sad
anniversary it will now be 30 years to the day that Amy was abducted taken from a small Shopping Plaza
that was just walking distance from her Middle School the abduction was not a violent one Amy
did not scream this was not a snatch and grab situation a man calmly walked up to her and she
left with this grown man this was witnessed by two of her classmates now for anyone who is unfamiliar with
this case Don't Panic you don't have to go back and listen to episodes 308 and 309 before listening to this week's
coverage we are covering this case in a way that these are pretty much stand-alone portions of what is a very
very big story so what is now a 30-year timeline of a very big case you get that in depth in
those episodes for those that don't know our setup Captain you can listen to True
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now we have been doing this great show thanks to all of the wonderful listeners out there for four years
so the older episodes you can listen to those for free when you download the free Stitcher app go to our website to
learn more yeah some would say four years too long now I say all that Captain to point out that we did an
in-depth interview with James Renner the only person who has authored a book that
is devoted solely to Amy's case that was way back in March of 2016 episode 22. the purpose of this week is to discuss
some of the suspects in this case now the information you are going to hear today comes from many sources this
being in Ohio case the two of us have been watching this case for a very long time but one source that we will use
often is Cleveland magazine this here is from their coverage on the 10-year anniversary which says the Amy
mihalovic case became the most intense search for a child in local history involving every conceivable law
enforcement agency and an army of volunteers federal state county and local law enforcement Personnel logged more than
60 thousand official hours and thousands more off the clock hundreds of promising tips were tracked
down and dismissed fourteen thousand people interviewed a hundred and twenty potential suspects investigated in
question intensely eight thousand leads pursued and abandoned the story was featured in
major newspapers and on national TV shows like America's Most Wanted and Unsolved Mysteries two million copies of
the Amy poster were distributed that is in all 50 states and in Europe and all the way to Australia
before we get to the suspects first let's get into some of the known and possible movements of the Killer we've
talked at length about the phone call or calls to Amy's home setting up the Meetup at the plaza I do want to mention
it sounds to me that police and FBI lean toward the idea that there was more than
one call to Amy at home but regardless there was at least one we have talked extensively about the
abductor choosing Friday as the meeting up day let's get into the other phone call the
call from Amy to Margaret so for those not super familiar with the case the way this works is Margaret is at work Jason
Amy's brother arrives home from school he calls his mother at work like he does every day on a typical day Amy would
arrive home before Jason and Amy would call Margaret at work each day when she arrived home as well on this day Jason
is the only one to call and he points out to his mother that Amy is not home this is not of great concern as Amy told
her mother there was a choir try out that day at school okay then there was a second call on
this call Again Margaret and Jason they determined that Amy is still not home now Margaret is a little panicked and
she's going to leave work early but then and this is according to Cleveland magazine article at 3 40 p.m
Margaret gets the call that she needed it's Amy calling to say everything is fine Margaret asked how the tryout went
Amy said okay Margaret asks she said she had the impression that Amy was calling
from home so they talked briefly and then bye bye see you soon that was the last time Margaret ever spoke to Amy
now before we get into the experts and what they say about this last call I want to address this first
for so many years in fact up until the last 18 or 24 months it has always just been accepted and understood that this
call was made after Amy was in the company of her abductor now all of a sudden after all this time
people are starting to call that into question I get it it's interesting to ponder but it seems extremely unlikely
and of course we don't know for certain but we do know class got out at 2 10 that day Amy walked with friends and it
only took a few minutes to get to the shopping plaza and most of the good timelines out there
say that it was around 3 P.M when a man approached Amy spoke to her and led her away
so according to the Cleveland magazine timeline we have 40 minutes that's a big discrepancy in time
so I absolutely believe that Amy was in the company of her abductor by this point
I think the call was made from a pay phone a motel phone or somewhere the abductor lived or was staying
the interesting thing here I think is you can put a cap on the distance that they could have been from the plaza at
the time of this call and the maximum would be a 40-minute drive from the plaza now people who believe that Amy
would have behaved much differently during that phone call if in the company of her abductor that's fair but it's
possible that Amy may have been unaware that she was being abducted yeah let's remember this is supposed to be a secret
shopping trip to get a present for her mother so she wouldn't want to give away the surprise yeah he could have allowed
her to call and reminding her hey don't you know don't give up on this idea that
we got this secret shopping trip to do you can't tell your mother this now I've had some people question why I
think that a pay phone is possible or would have been possible here they point out and this is very obvious but very
good too they point out if she was afraid if Amy was afraid a pay phone out in the open she could
have just fled the abductor then and there but you and I captain being Children of
the 80s we are old enough to remember pay phones quite a bit and use them quite a bit when we were children
and one thing that I want to point out is something that's kind of Forgotten today that at a lot of gas stations do
you remember the pull-up pay phone the one that was constructed in a manner that wasn't in a booth but it was out
and it was in a way that you would just pull up with your vehicle you wouldn't even get out of the vehicle you'd pull
up and you could punch in the number and make the phone call from sitting inside
of your vehicle yeah this could have been a situation that he used there what we do know is that a phone call happened
we can't say for certain if she was quote unquote under his control you know meaning he had a gun or a knife on her
or he had already expressed a threat to her that would have kept her under his control right but again let's think
about this logically are you going to take that chance have her under your control she knows
this is now abduction she knows now that she's in some kind of danger oh let's have her call her mother or do you keep
playing it cool and yeah let you call your mother before we go shopping right either way we do know that the
call happened we can only speculate what was going on at the time what the experts say about this phone call Amy
checking in with her mother in the abductor allowing this call the first lead detective on the case Jim Tompkins
said quote that's critical it bought him an hour or more precious getaway time for the man
authorities were calling the unknown mail expert analysts also believe this event
reveals important details about the unknown mail they are certain he was standing right there and that he may
have known that Amy was supposed to call now this could be from something he learned from Amy on previous phone calls
or in conversation on the day of the abduction or even possibly Amy threatening him if in fact by the time
she figured out that he had abducted her he's she's saying I have to call home Mom and Dad
will be looking for me you're going to be in trouble so some of the experts believe that he
stood there and told Amy what to say during that call the late and great FBI agent Robert
wrestler says it tells us he was executing a bold plot that included Amy her family and the police pointing out
that the Bay Village Police Department headquarters is right across the street from the shopping plaza he goes on to
say this is an intelligent man presentable well spoken this is a complicated personal crime
when Amy's body was found in that field three months after her Abduction the Cuyahoga County coroner and the FBI
scientists determined that Amy had been deceased for some time most likely the murder had occurred shortly after her
abduction probably a few days or less she was not killed immediately Amy did eat at least one meal after she was
taken maybe more her autopsy revealed blunt force trauma to the head and stab wounds to her neck it appears that the
blunt force trauma on its own was not fatal but the stab wounds were over the years Captain there have been
thousands of tips and hundreds of suspects and in this sense we are using the term suspects very Loosely some of
these men were just look-alike suspects these were leads that the police received FBI received because somebody
looked like one of the composite sketches right and we've seen this with like the Delphi murders somebody goes
hey look this guy looks just like the sketch or just like the photo but they live in California and you
can't prove that they were in Indiana at the time so that that's why I don't like
some of these suspects well and it gets difficult for law enforcement because of
of two factors one with the Amy case with the Delphi case not a lot to go on so you have to throw that sketch out
there but they throw that sketch out to the public knowing that we're going to get a wealth of leads that are no good
yeah you know they they only need the one good one but we're going to get a whole bunch of people coming forward
saying I know somebody that looks just like this guy in Amy's case and the Amy composite sketches
we pointed out in our previous episodes technically there were four composite sketches released over a it's a little
more than a one year time period but there was a sketch released the first weekend and then FBI artists came
in and did two sketches that appear on the same flyer and that's the one that I refer to as
like the famous composite drawing where you see the two individuals now it was only one man that abducted her but we
have two somewhat different looking individuals in that famous composite sketch one two of the eyewitnesses one
claiming that they saw a man with glasses and one claiming they saw a man without glasses so that's where the
initial I think confusion started yeah so the first composite drawing is basically a meshing of the two
eyewitnesses accounts they were like all right we'll take we'll take everything throw it in a blender and boom this is
the picture that pop that comes out the FBI artist did separate ones so why the reason why you're seeing two different
composite drawings is one is from one eyewitness and one is from the other eyewitness both of these eyewitnesses
were children 10 or 11 years old both both of these eyewitnesses were not up front and center when they saw this guy
they were a distance away 25 30 feet away and saw this man interact with Amy the thing that law enforcement points
out and has continued to point out over the years is they think that this is a very quote-unquote general description
of somebody that this this is not somebody that is distinguishable right this is not somebody that would stand
out in a crowd and that's why you get so many look-alike suspects because this kind of just looks like your average Joe
right now investigators said that out of all of the potential suspects ever to appear on the radar screen less than two
dozen remain priorities after acute investigating now early on on the local level there
was rumored to be two very good suspects in fact these men they were suspects even before Amy's body was found suspect
number one was Billy strewnick from Fairview Park he injected himself into the search
efforts he joined the volunteers and helped to search for Amy he was questioned several times this both by
Bay Village Police Department and the FBI his story was checked and then double checked according to Cleveland
magazine Billy was found to have serious personal problems both medical and emotional but all unrelated to Amy's
case months after Amy's disappearance he consumed a lethal amount of ethanol dry
gas and died three days later right but to be clear they believe this was on purpose and this was technically a
suicide yes and FBI agent Robert Ressler who was briefly involved in the case questioned this suspect personally
wrestler maintained that he had a gut feeling that Billy strunek was hiding something
wrestler later cited this suicide as a possible indication of guilt in wrestlers book whoever fights monsters
wrestler says streunak was a good candidate to be the one they were calling the unknown male
now all other investigators insist that he was not the guy Stephen Etter who was a supervisory
special agent for the national center for the analysis of violent crime said after his death meaning sunak
we had access to his home and belongings FBI agent dick Wren adds there was not a
shred of evidence for this or any other crime Etter says that Billy strunek quote
simply didn't have the capacity to commit this type of crime some in the local community believe he
still could have been the guy we covered this angle of the investigation in depth on our other show
off the Record yeah now I have a couple issues with the detectives the investigators saying that they don't
think Billy was capable of doing this because most people probably wouldn't be capable
of dying from a suicide by ingesting gasoline right gas so that takes a uh determined
individual and I also think this is involvement in the search the involvement in the
investigation the contact with the mother um and and like you said their big thing
is well once he died from this suicide and wrestlers saying well I believe he's basically saying right because there's a
suicide he believes that Billy had something to hide it might have been an indication of guilt that he was overcome
by guilt or he was afraid that he was going to be arrested and people were going to find out what kind of monster
he was and he's gonna have to spend the rest of his life Behind Bars any number of those reasons or all of them together
would have been enough for this individual to commit suicide is what wrestler believes right and then so now
you have these investigators go well he's dead now and so we can investigate this property but we didn't find any
evidence of any crime I don't know why but my gut has always told me that this crime
was the first uh uh as far as a killing would go by this individual there might be some inappropriate touching or
looking or possibly even um exposing themselves to younger individuals but to me this is uh this is a one-time
thing possibly never going to happen again and and so that would lead me to believe well look at somebody like Billy
and he makes a really good suspect and then you go well well we investigated his house and his property and and all
that stuff and we didn't see any sign of a crime well here's what we do now we know that there's a crime scene
I would call it crime scene where he abducted her even though she went willing I'd still call that a crime
scene and then we know that she went into a vehicle to me those are the two crime scenes and
then plus where her body was found those are the three places that we know we don't have much evidence to suggest
that she went back to his house or or went to anybody's house so I'm just saying that you can be searching in
this location but it's like again what if like you were saying what if the phone call was made from a
hotel or a motel and yeah so it's like you wouldn't find any evidence at his place because he never took the victim
back there so look we we can't we could sit here and spin our tires all day and try to
figure out why we have the FBI and we have other agencies later saying that he Billy strunek is not our guy they're not
going to give us all those reasons what I will say though too right but it's not
as clear that we we don't have like some strain of DNA that we can test to make sure that it's it's Billy or not Billy
right correct there is physical evidence in this case but we do not have we do not have DNA evidence that we can
test in the sense of of current types of Investigations so but but here's here's the thing we
gotta we got to keep in mind while we're going through these suspects Okay so these same the same investigators or at
least the same agencies are on record over the years as saying we're not going to 100 percent rule out
anyone and we hear that like with the Delphi case now we can take that for their word we can
take that for what that is supposed to mean we don't know exactly what that means behind closed doors and Behind
these closed-door meetings that they're having regarding the suspects when they say that
look I I think that if we're if we were going to create a top 10 list of of top 10 suspects in this case I didn't just
go through and pick out suspects that were mentioned in the newspaper or mentioned in local rumor or anything
like that I went through there was there's more than 10 of those I went through and I picked out ones
that I believe should remain on some kind of top 10 list now this is just our own little garage list here but I would
leave Billy strunek on that list until I had further information to lead me to believe that they are in fact right that
he's not their guy they could have come across some things to say that he had a 100 Ironclad Alibi right for that day we
don't we don't know that because that's never been said in the public they also one thing that I do want to to comment
directly on though is where they say we simply don't believe that he had the capacity to commit this type of crime
now you pointed out that he consumed ethanol and and killed himself and that takes a certain something I
guess but it takes us something well but what what they may mean here in this is
not so much that he couldn't have physically committed this type of crime they may firmly believe that he was of
an emotional state or he was he had these personal problems they may fully believe that he could have
physically committed this type of crime he wouldn't have been able to not crack or not tell someone or not come for you
see what I mean like that right not only did this crime happen but the person as
far as we know has also never confided in anyone never confessed to it never never had a mental break and just and
just came clean or or freaked out so that might be what in fact that they mean on this and again though
um yes there there is a crime scene that we are unaware of there was a place that
she was killed that's the missing puzzle piece here um but what we have dick Wren saying is
there was not a shred of evidence for this crime or any other crime that they could find at his home or in the
belongings that they were able to view now there is local rumor in the area that
uh and we we have wrestler who's on record saying this I don't know that it's in fact true but
we have local rumor that the family removed his items or had access to his apartment before law enforcement did
after his death because they weren't right they weren't fully aware that he was dead at the you know immediately
after his death it took some time for that word to travel to them before they went in and looked at his apartment
so there's a local rumor that it's like a it's a really good uh Family secret you know a Best Kept
Family secret that Billy streuneck did in fact kill Amy mihalovic and his whole family knows about it and they know
about it because they were able to view all of his belongings but what we would know later is that there are things
missing from the crime scene there were items that Amy had on her person that have never been found never been located
and we know for certain from dick wren's statement that they didn't find those items in the belongings or in the space
that they were able to view regarding Billy strunek right which makes me wonder if the crime scene was a a
vehicle those items could have been left in that vehicle that vehicle could have
been discarded with all those uh items but one of the things I like about Billy is when she went missing he was a
suspect when her body was found he was a suspect and I believe today he's still is a really good suspect
foreign [Music] we're back cheers mates cheers to everyone so suspect number two and in
fact he may have been one of the very first suspects even more so than Billy strunek
he worked at the horse stable where Amy went horseback riding on the weekends some say he looks like the composite
sketch personally I think that is debatable I would say his appearance was vaguely similar to one of the composite
sketches so this is at the Holly Hill Farms riding stable where he works Amy was an
avid horse rider she took lessons for two years and her favorite horse at Holly Hill was named Razzle
Hill Farms which is no longer there but was for many years in fact it was just in the last few years that Holly Hill
closed for Good selling off all of the Farmland to make room for new housing developments
Holly Hill Farms was located on Nagle Road and the old address lists the farm as in Avon Lake but if you look at it on
a map it was very close to where several communities meet you have Avon Lake West
Lake and Bay Village Nagle Road was not far from the train tracks that ran behind the mahalovic
home in fact the night that Amy went missing police and Mark mihalovic and friends were actually looking for Amy
around those train tracks that was one area that they really focused on because Amy would ride her bike there and go
back there and go back there with friends from the neighborhood so that was one area that if you could find her
if there was a reasonable explanation as to why she was missing if she was out on
her own plane they thought they might find her there this the the night that she went missing
now at this time they're still trying to explain away why she is missing right there that no one was aware of the ruse
used by the Predator to lure her to the shopping plaza right that info was not learned by the police department until
Saturday morning that's when the case officially went from a missing person's case to a kidnapping and the FBI was
immediately called in now most of that area back in 1989 was farmland the man that we are talking about the
suspect His Name Was Harold bound he actually lived at the writing Stables where Amy went weekly
this dude jumps on the radar for several reasons first early on investigators were fully focused on the call to Amy's
house the ruse for the Meetup and abduction information in the call again could offer insights to who the
perpetrator was they were working off of the idea at the time that the abductor may have known
Amy Margaret or both persons involved with Holly Hill Stables would have known Amy and Margaret
Margaret actually would ride horses there as well this man Harold bound he was the son of the owners of Holly Hill
according to what I could find he was a Vietnam vet and he lived in an apartment
above the garage at Holly Hill it seems that he was an avid Hunter stories have been told of persons going
to the stables for writing lessons and seeing Harold what they said was he's wandering around
and camouflage with a bow and arrow some I think thought this was weird maybe I mean maybe he was just hunting really
from the stories I could find about his behavior it's really a mixed bag right so some of the girls at Holly Hill said
things like we thought he was creepy even before Amy went missing others said he was strange but thought
that he suffered from PTSD from the war years later his brother Greg would say that Harold was a suspect for a couple
of reasons Greg says law enforcement said that Amy was taken away in a blue pickup truck
the farm owned a blue pickup this from my understanding was a shared farm vehicle and Greg says Harold came
home late on the night that Amy was abducted Harold bounds parents who owned the farm
and lived on the property this kind of adds to to the whole scenario here they were actually out of
town when she was abducted they were down in Florida for that weekend which would make make sense you know parents
are out of town that's where you're staying this is a perfect opportunity right and we both believe that the
abductor picked that Friday for some reason but investigators also said here's a guy
that probably left work and then probably didn't return so but that that would still put him in
that category rights right and to be clear I I Believe In that clip that we heard there's
they're talking about a different individual not herald-bound right right right but the interesting thing here is
if he lives on that property and works there his parents are the owners they're gone they're out of town yeah there
would have been other people in and out of Holly Hill Farm that day that weekend
but he doesn't really does he need to be accounted for no right I mean he he comes and goes as he pleases pretty much
correct now James Renner says when he first he actually interviewed or spoke to Harold on at least two occasions he
says that when first asked Harold says he didn't know Amy from any of the other students at the stable then later Harold
tells Renner a very specific story about a time that he saw Amy at the stable and
asked her a question so this is completely different stories from the same guy about the same situation two
completely different answers one to say I wouldn't have known her from any of the other girls to then go into a very
specific story about a time where he had an interaction with Amy right Harold was questioned by the FBI the day
after Amy was abducted well that's what we say I'm a little unclear here Captain if it was in fact that
Saturday because remember the FBI was called in that Saturday it says that Harold was interviewed the day after she
was abducted but it could have been that Sunday regardless it's going to be that
first weekend he's questioned very early on during this whole situation he's questioned at his apartment and he
did allow the FBI agents and the officers to come into his apartment and he also allowed them to look around
yeah not only look around his apartment but also look around the farm property and inside of his parents home
the FBI agents left and when they left they took nothing with them the fed's questioned Harold bound multiple times
the first week that Amy was missing Harold did not like the treatment from law enforcement that he was getting
so he gathered up some of his things and he went and checked himself into a local
VA Hospital some suspect he was trying to put up a wall between him and law enforcement
right his brother says that Harold believed that they were trying to pin this abduction on him
and he he was he got afraid and so he went and checked himself into this VA Hospital well yeah and think
about this way you're working on this Farm you come back from war you know you're a little off or maybe you don't
know you're a little off you're working around a lot of children and one of them comes up missing and and
maybe and you're kind of considered by at least some of the the students to be the weird guy or the creepy guy right
but how many times you know has a school had a janitor where the guy is nothing but nice but kids create
you know rumors oh that guy's a little strange no he's not being strange he's just saying hello to you or or saying hi
to you uh but but the those uh rumors uh and speculations grow over time too well and that's the thing too that that
I wanted to point out where some of the kids at Holly Hill claimed the guy was creepy or or doing weird things
sometimes things are just weird because you're a child and you don't understand a situation right you know like if you
see this dude that's wandering around and camouflage and he has a bow and arrow and you're like what's that guy
always doing here right and and then but but as an adult somebody would know a couple things one he he lives on the
property so he should be there there's no reason for him not to be there right two he's a hunter
um and this is this is a large property that his parents own this is private land it's Farmland he is
allowed to hunt there right you know so as an adult that doesn't seem so weird as a kid not gonna lie man if I show up
to ride a horse and there's some dude walking around stealth like in the woods and camouflage with a bow and arrow I'm
going I'm staying away from that dude yeah or the fact that every time you show up he's there you go up right well
why is this guy always here why is he always at work oh well he lives there or take just a scenario where a guy comes
in to clean an area and maybe doesn't uh say hello to the kids because he's trying to stay out of the way some kids
will take that as well this guy's being really creepy he didn't say hello you know yeah so where we look at Harold
bound and say does he look guilty does he sound guilty I go with looking guilty I would say no but sounding
guilty I think yes because of the that to me if if in fact that's true that in one conversation he claims to not have
known Amy at all and then another conversation says he had Direct interaction and names her specifically
right but that's that sounds a little weird but that's not coming from law enforcement or investigators yeah from
James Renner and you never know it could have jogged his memory but you also kind
of think well if I lived on a property where a young girl frequented and she went missing and then
was later found dead I don't know that I would forget her so I don't know that I
would need something to jog my memory now Captain I will say this you know back to
the famous composite drawing of of the by the two classmates who say they saw who took Amy in my opinion out of the
two suspects that we have discussed today personally I think that strewnack looks much more like the composite
drawing than this Herald bound right it would be interesting to see if uh the law enforcement did any kind of lineup
with these eyewitnesses so we do have to keep one thing in mind and and remember you were talking to me last
week about misinformation and when there is bad information thrown out there drives me insane in some of these cases
it can hurt the investigation and it makes you wonder specifically in this case is it possible
that the man who took and killed Amy does not look like the composite drawing and therefore
someone who knows something never picked up the phone or never sent an email with
the tip and a name because as uncomfortable as it was to suspect a person close to them maybe even someone
they loved yeah it made it so much easier for that person and so much more convenient when they
looked at that composite and they were able to say to themselves Well it can't be him he doesn't look
like the composite well well back to the truck thing you know eyewitness is saying that maybe she's abducted in this
truck yeah okay so my thought is if you don't have a clear cut eyewitness account of
the vehicle how sure can we be of the eyewitness accounts of the the man they saw with Amy
right and and that that kind of bothers me a little bit yeah and the way that this shopping plaza is kind of divided
up you know there's some stand-alone buildings in the immediate area there's several parking lots in the media area
the thought is there's a couple of ways of thinking of this one as said earlier this was not a
violent abduction this was not a Kicking and Screaming situation nobody that saw
anything that day knew that she was being led away to be abducted so no one saw her get into a
vehicle and the thought is either just no one saw her get into a vehicle or that he potentially parked his vehicle
in an area that would be less visible and led her you know slightly away and then into his vehicle right it makes me
wonder though you're you have this ruse going hey meet me somewhere we're gonna buy a gift for
your mother is it possible you know here's a guy that works at the Stables when Amy sees
me she isn't going to be freaked out because she has seen me before and that makes me wonder you I I get
that the the issue that I've always had with that and the issue that I've always
had with with people presenting a suspect that Amy would have known directly uh personally I think that it's that
it's highly unlikely just in the sense that she's being told that this individual is somebody else on the phone
and to arrive and learn that he is not in fact who he says he was makes it a you know weird from Jump Street right
there right so all right I'm getting off topic here back to Harold bound so law enforcement blocked off naggle road and
they searched that area extensively and they Captain they searched it for days during the search law enforcement found
a pair of sweatpants in the field or a wooded area in that immediate area these pants very well could be the same
ones that Amy was wearing this does not help Harold one bit of course so law enforcement Focus serious
attention on him for months they did intense surveillance exhaustive investigation all of this yielding
nothing Harold took polygraph tests and I want to be clear that's plural tests Harold
Harold requested that he be questioned after they administer truth serum the FBI complied with this
he was subjected to questioning with truth serum pumping through his veins now I can't tell you
if he passed the polygraph test and I can't tell you what the FBI thought about his answers during the truth serum
questioning but I can tell you at some point they were no longer interested in talking to him anymore right which makes
you believe when he's checking into a VA hospital this is all a part of it hey look I'm being accused of something this
is this is heinous I see why an individual would want to do anything you want to give me truth serum you want to
give me a a polygraph test I'm not involved in this I I think and we've talked about this before I think it's
one of the scariest things in the world to think about being accused of a heinous crime
with little to no evidence and how much that can affect these individuals lives can I tell you what the local rumor and
local thought was on Harold bound and his his reaction to the investigation no I'm tired of you talking okay so
the general thought here is that because he served in Vietnam because he served in the war that what he witnessed there
what he experienced there left him mentally unstable and it was it was Harold that that understood this
though he he knew that he wasn't of mind to put up a fight and to Proclaim his innocence in the in the
you know in a sense that that made sense to him I guess and the idea is that he was living at home and he was working
for his parents because of what he suffered in the war that might have been the extent of his capabilities at that
time and then when he became under under Fire and under questioning for this Abduction
of a girl that it that it tipped him and he said this is the only way I know how
to handle this I need to go get checked out and get looked at where some Proclaim that that is a sign of
guilt that he's trying to Shield himself or run away from the problem other others suggests that it's just
he's innocent and doesn't understand how to properly fight this and I don't blame
him I mean you're being talked to by the FBI and multiple agencies and in the end
what we do know took place is he was polygraphed multiple times he was questioned after they administered truth
serum by his own request and at some point law enforcement they've never cleared him but we know that they moved
on from him right so again though I mean can you imagine being accused of a crime like this this
is a heinous crime against this young beautiful girl this uh smart intelligent girl she
has so much promise and and you kind of know her you you at least you might not know her that well but she works where
you uh right she ties to you direct ties to you and the fact that once people didn't I I'm getting flustered and Amy's
mother's mentioned in that phone call on the ruse and he would have likely have known her as well yeah but it's just
once you're accused of this or there's some speculation about you and then you're trying to clear yourself and I'm
sure there's some people in his family that gave him some looks and he knew that they just didn't believe him and I
just think that would crush her spirits yeah I think for for the most part it sounds like his family had his back now
regarding his brothers Greg and his statements that appear in uh renner's book Amy my search for her killer
that statement about the blue pickup truck that law enforcement said to the family that Amy was taken away in a blue
pickup truck that's the only place I've ever seen that statement and in fact I don't know
how Greg came up with that maybe in fact he was told that by law enforcement but
I've also seen public statements from very early on in the investigation where they were outright telling the public we
do not have a description of a vehicle and on top of that when they release these composite drawings and I'm sorry
I'm holding these up and yelled at the captain when they release these composite sketches of of who they think
was at the plaza that day if they had a freaking vehicle description it would have been included on that as you and I
have said many times vehicle description is so much easier a vehicle's easier to
track down than a drawing of a person right and I even have a newspaper article from
very early on shortly after her body was found where the chief of police for Bay
Village is saying I would give anything for even a vague description of a vehicle we don't have that right so I
don't know where that information came from but it doesn't seem to be accurate it may have just been a way of cranking
up the heat and asking some questions and hoping that this dude might crack but the other thing that we might we
need to think about too when we talk about Harold being a good suspect or not being a good suspect you can be a good
suspect in the eyes of law enforcement for a period of time and then thoroughly checked and then no longer
a good suspect in their eyes right so we reference those sweatpants that were found near or on the property of Holly
Hill we we need to think about this portion of the investigation too the pair of
pants that were found on Holly Hill Farm property that made Harold or someone from Holly Hill look like they were
involved we know the the results of the autopsy remember when Amy was found she was
found fully clothed right redressed after death most likely but fully clothed those pants that were found on
that property simply were not hers now dick Wren when asked around the 10-year anniversary about Harold bound
specifically random said he didn't do it I'm as certain as I can be in an uncertain world is his exact quote
in fact yeah back to this blue truck thing for a second you know it's it's heard one time you've seen it no other
time again is it is it something that was brought up by Renner That Was Then Twisted later
it's it's impossible well it was a statement from Harold's brother Greg to Renner right that's what I'm saying but
the statement uh this conversation that happened was there a Twist and Turn to get there you see what I'm saying and
and just because somebody put it in his book does not mean it's 100 accurate this is all I'm
putting out there well yeah and that's why I said we don't know where Greg came up with that information right you know
that I mean he could have he could have it could be total fantasy for all we know and that conversation happened
15 years after the abduction I think a lot of things get changed and distorted and and misremembered
[Music] now from the uh articles that came out around the 10-year anniversary in regards to both of the suspects that
we have discussed so far strewnack and Harold bound this is the the statement that they gave
at the 10-year the 10-year mark it says investigators are virtually unanimous in
the certainty that neither one of these individuals was involved in the abduction or murder of Amy mihalovic
well the other thing that I like about this individual is that there's there was other phone calls
made and there was a a set of girls or or one girl that actually rode horses at those Stables uh so there would be the
connection of the phone calls yes and again it's it's we're unable to determine which in fact phone calls were
connected to Amy's Amy's case [Music] [Music] laughs foreign [Music] I thank one and all for your support
your love and your concern without which I would not have been able to make it through this past year a year ago today
just across the street from the tree on the granite marker Amy was abducted from
a Bay Village shopping center a little more than three months later her body was found let's
fill the void that her passing has left with positive thoughts with a smile on our face and say she blessed our life
for a while unfortunately she is gone but now we must live on City and Civic leaders and law
enforcement officials spoke of love and Community togetherness and the Amy fund and the continuing search for the
child's killer we're not going to give up until we see this thing through Amy has touched Our Lives she will Live
Forever The Monument says that Amy lives on in our hearts Amy pulled a community
together as a family and we still are a family supporting each other loving each
other we know that Amy is in God's love and care and his love and care are with us
there was mourning and there were drawn faces and there were some tears but this
was not a ceremony of Sorrow put a smile on thank you for coming in Bay Village John Harrington Channel 3
News [Music] we want to thank everybody out there for listening for everything true crime go
to True Crime garage.com and until tomorrow be good be kind and don't litter foreign
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Brief Summary

The episode revisits the unsolved case of Amy Mihalovic, discussing suspects and community impact 30 years after her abduction and murder.

Key points

The Disappearance of Amy Mihalovic. A detailed timeline of the unsolved abduction and murder case of 10-year-old Amy Mihalovic.
The Call That Changed Everything. Amy's last call to her mother raises questions about her abduction.
Suspects in Amy's Case. Exploring the various suspects and leads in the investigation of Amy's disappearance.
The Crime Scene Puzzle. Three key locations are identified as crime scenes, raising questions about evidence.
Harold Bound: A Creepy Suspect. Harold Bound, a suspect, had a strange reputation among students at the stables.
Polygraph Tests and Truth Serum. Harold Bound underwent multiple polygraph tests and even requested truth serum questioning.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

This was not a snatch and grab situation.

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Tension

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