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she was 16 years of age Ally left school that day and got off at her usual bus stop near her home
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States missing people post pictures track DNA missing people and look for that individual missing people Marvin Alvin
Clark for those of you that follow a lot of missing persons cases out there you may be familiar with this name with his
name and this case this is a somewhat well-known case in fact some have said this is one of the most famous missing
person's cases a lot of that comes from just how old this case is when people become fascinated with certain types of
True Crime cases they tend to dive deep into those stories so they are on the internet hunting and trolling for new
stories but also researching the old ones well when you go to research old missing persons cases Marvin Clark's
name is sure to appear on the first page of your internet search any type of category of True Crime that you are into
many times people dive deep into that category be it missing persons serial killers strange mysterious deaths and so
on Marvin Clark's name comes up when you search for old missing persons cases and
that's because Marvin Allen Clark disappeared a long time ago there are some unconfirmed writings of Marvin
after his disappearance however it's generally believed that Marvin Clark's last known whereabouts was leaving his
home and tiger Oregon on October 30th 1926 yeah the year the colonel was born now his timeline Captain is a little
strange as you know and one could easily argue that there are a ton of holes in his timeline but let's get right to it
shall we on October 30th 1926 Marvin Clark left his home the reports that list his time or an
approximate time say he left his home around 100 p.m. that day many believed that he was going to visit his daughter
her name is Sydney moual Sydney worked at and lived at a hotel in Portland Oregon today this is a 10 to 12 mile
trip depending on the route that that you would take so that would take you about 15 maybe 20 minutes back then look
almost 100 years ago I don't know the routes or how long it may take to travel there we can make the easy assumption I
believe that it would have taken a considerably longer time to travel to and from Portland to his home in Tiger
Oregon his daughter Sydney was the manager of the Herford Hotel which was located at 7:35 hoit Street in
Northwest Portland now very quickly in this timeline we will start to run into some inconsistencies or discrepancies
the initial report of Marvin's disappearance which comes to us from a November 6th 1926 news article by the
morning Oregonian states that Marvin was to travel to Portland via Stage Coach but but then we get another report about
a week later that states that he had traveled to Portland by bus so right away Captain we start to see one problem
with our timeline here and that is the means of travel how was he planning to get to and from his destination we have
Stage Coach we have bus both are mentioned yeah they never talk much about Marvin visiting his daughter
before up in Portland Oregon stay weird but also I think one of the reasons why this case has stayed in the True Crime
community and one of the reasons why people continue to look it up is it he went missing during the Halloween
weekend yes it's a mysterious case already but then you double down on that with the Halloween weekend and then add
to that that this is an older gentleman right most reports have him 73 to 76 years of age at the time of his
disappearance so rarely and I say rarely after today's trailer people were going
to say Nick you just contradicted yourself rarely do we have reports of older people going missing now you will
see in a lot of times we have silver alerts where we have persons of an older age seniors that go missing and a lot of
times they are experiencing some dementia but here and the reason why I think this
is weird is that that's easily explained when we know that somebody is experiencing dementia it makes sense
that they went missing they wandered off and now their family everybody's looking
for them we need to find them as soon as we can here we could have that possibility of dementia but I'm pointing
out his age because a lot of times when we see somebody go missing it could be for nefarious reasons it could be that
somebody did something to them it could be that there is Foul Play suspected but
often when we have a situation where there's the possibility that the individual walked
away from their life to start a new we usually don't see it being somebody of this age it's usually somebody in their
20s or their 30s maybe even their 40s he has a whole life a a very long life of 70 plus years with his wife with his
family and his whole world as he knows it and they know it so unless we're talking about dementia here it would
seem very odd to me to have somebody of this extended age walking away to start a new Marvin Clark was also a very
handsome man and he was very Dapper and he was dressed for the occasion it just seems like he has all
his faculties it wasn't like he was disheveled and losing his mind or anything well I can agree with you for
the most part but the reports state that there could be a possibility that that is not quite the situation and that's
what is difficult about looking at his case as we said one could argue that there are a ton of holes in this
timeline and the thoughts about why how he went missing so let's get into that right away we see the
trouble with the means of travel right did he go by stage coach did he go by bus the captain is absolutely correct
handsome man very Dapper you could the the few pictures of him that I have seen he's he's well-dressed he's a
distinguished older gentleman he is often wearing a suit in fact one of the possible sightings and I want to be
clear here because there are some some reports that make it sound definitive that he was in fact spotted and seen
right I want to be clear speculative exactly thank you Captain so one possible sighting of Marvin Clark after
he left his home that day was we have a witness that comes forward saying that he was seen at the terminal on Yam Hill
Street in downtown Portland dressed in a dark suit in slacks okay that goes along
with everything the captain is saying this is as far as several reports are concerned to be the last citing of him
however I think we really need to hone in on this and I don't think that we can all conclude that that is a confirmed
citing of our man Marvin Clark what I think we have here Captain because other Reports say that there were no sightings
of him or there were possible sightings of Marvin Clark but they were later disputed and unconfirmed I think here
what we have is somebody trying to help trying to offer up some kind of solution
and point the family and law enforcement in some kind of Direction possibly confirming that he
did arrive in Portland this is somebody that is matching his description or someone that is believed to have been
Marvin Clark not definitively Marvin Clark well and let's take out the whole holiday weekend thing
it was the weekend and Portland would be the biggest destination of all the small towns in
that area on the weekend so I'm guessing that those terminals would be filled with more individuals which would give
us more of a chance to identify the wrong person right and here's the other problem we talk about means of travel as
being a complication and being a debate work worthy item here in the timeline but we also have the purpose of his
travel so the purpose of his travels it's often stated that he was going to go and visit his daughter well that
becomes tricky right away too because what we learn of this is how we discover that Marvin's missing in the first
place Marvin goes on this trip to Portland or at least that's what his wife was told it's been St that he was
going to visit his daughter and I'm guessing that his intentions were to not just visit but also to possibly stay the
night and that's what some of the reports indicate however when his wife after a few days of not hearing from her
husband she reaches out to the daughter saying hey did did your father how did the visit go did your father leave is do
you think he'll be back today or tomorrow and the daughter Sydney she says I didn't know he was coming to
Portland to see me right so right there and then we have our first problem of the purpose of his travel so other
articles state that he was going to Portland for a doctor's visit this is really interesting to me and I've I've
heard the arguments I've read the arguments and these are very smart arguments and we've seen this with other
more recent missing persons cases where you have this discrepancy in the story and there's a possibility that both are
true is there a chance here that he was going to the big city of Portland a neighboring City and he was going there
to visit a doctor has a doctor's visit and he says you know what what a great idea I will surprise my lovely wonderful
daughter while I'm there with a while I'm there with a visit from her father maybe his intentions were to stay the
night at the hotel make his travels a little more pleasant a little more enjoyable extend them out a little bit
and then return home so there's a there's a opportunity here that both are in fact true well I think one of the
things that makes it more complicated is it's not like he's traveling a large distance he's traveling a pretty short
distance so look he goes to the doctor's appointment he goes to visit his daughter she doesn't let's say she
didn't have time for him couldn't get him a room at where she was working no big deal I'll just hit the bus and go
back home right so it's it's not unlikely for somebody to make a impromptu visit when it's such a short
distance of travel right and here's the thing too though that I I have a bit of an issue with both of
these ideas for his purpose of travel we have and we know this to be true because
we've reviewed the newspaper articles there are articles that date back to November 6
1926 that are talking about communities and law enforcement and different jurisdictions actively looking for this
elderly man the problems I have with the timeline and the narrative or narratives
I think we shall say is some of these things could be easily followed up on right so we know the story about the
daughter where he may have been going to visit her or maybe it was a surprise visit but what we do know with the
daughter is that a he never arrives she never sees her father on his travels B she's unaware that he was going to visit
her or had any intention at all of invisi of visiting her so one part I have with that is it's stated in these
reports that if he was visiting his daughter his intentions would have been to stay the night well there's an
occupancy to hotels there was in 1926 there is today it seems a little out of character for
Marvin to go there with the plan of staying the night not knowing in advance whether he would have a room or not so
that seems a little weird but more strange than that in my opinion Captain is this doctor's visit I don't know how
things were back in 1926 but today I have to schedule an appointment with a certain doctor this
to me seems like something that could have been easily followed up on why does nobody in the family seem to know who or
what doctor he was going to visit if in fact he was going to a doctor why is there no followup on who the appointment
was made with if he ever arrived at that appointment because that that's the problem with Marvin's story right we
have this unconfirmed sighting of him at the terminal in downtown Portland so that would be an indication that he made
it to Portland however if he does not attend a doctor's visit if he does not which we know he did not meet up with
his daughter if neither of those things happen and this sighting is unconfirmed at best we have nothing to IND to us or
to prove to us that in fact he even made it to Portland OR was in Portland at any
time well Marvin Clark couldn't use his right arm he suffered from paralysis and
he also had a limp so these are two things that would really distinct him from other individuals but it also makes
you wonder at some point I'm guessing Marvin had a stroke and that's why he had trouble one walking and and two with
the use of his right arm and so is it possible that when he went to travel he had a a stroke and didn't remember who
he was or where he was at or where he was going yeah and that's the thing too it's when we talked about this possible
doctor's visit again these reports are out in the newspapers and this is a time when everybody's reading the papers if
he did in fact have a an appointment scheduled with the doctor even if his family didn't know what doctor it was
why did nobody come forward to say that he had an appointment scheduled again it's it's difficult to look at some of
these things because we don't know the exact workings of things in Portland Oregon in 1926 and like you said I mean
if he has a doctor's appointment why is why isn't that doctor coming forward and
saying hey I saw Marvin that day and and he had the appointment and this is what
the appointment was about or the reverse I didn't see him that day but he was scheduled to come in right and speak
with me so that's really interesting to me so I don't want to completely squash the whole doctor's visit idea but I
think we should really underline both things here when we go we don't know the means of his travels but we also don't
know the purpose of his travels well the purpose of his travels are very sketchy
at Best in my opinion where we have this doctor's visit that we know nothing about we have the daughter visit that we
that she knows nothing about right it's very strange it's a very mysterious and intriguing disappearance case now we did
state that there were some possible sightings of Marvin that could help the one that seems
to might possibly have the most or carry the most weight is the one that we've already discussed that Marvin was seen
at a terminal on this street in downtown Portland dressed in a dark suit in slacks some reports
even state that that is the last reported citing of him again I don't think that there's enough information in
there to confirm one way or another if that is in fact Marvin but the other possible sightings of Marvin are even
more sketchy than that one so this is the one that has kind of stood the test of time where the others
did not and I think that's because these other ones and we're only talking about
two or three at best right I don't think these other ones carried any weight at all because they are so far less
descriptive than this one yeah it seems like a handful of horeshit or big bag of
malarkey what is interesting to me here captain and this is one thing that we talk about in the garage when covering
these missing persons cases are identifiers right things that would separate Marvin Clark or any other
missing person from the masses from the from the just another face in the crowd for example when we
discussed Bryce Les Pisa his case he still missing unfortunately right he's got this big prominent tattoo on his
left shoulder this of a Taurus Bullhead so this is not a typical run-of-the-mill
tattoo you know it's not the uh it's not the the heart with an arrow through it or or it's not U what's you could get a
get the tattoo of the woman back in the day when you flex your your bicep and make her wiggle it's not one that you
would expect to see on every Tom Dick and Harry no he's got a very interesting very neat and unique tattoo
on his upper left arm so that is a an identifier for somebody like Bryce L Pisa who is still missing now you
mentioned it already here Captain with Marvin Clark we have his ailment right we have that that he is
having issues with not being able to properly use his right arm he has some kind of
paralysis he also walked with a limp according to many articles this is a distinction that at
the time is mentioned time and time again because police hoped that that would help to elicit sightings of him
that this would help people to go oh I remember seeing a man that looked like he was in his late 60s early 70s and he
he walked with a limp there are other reports too that stated that he needed the use of a Cane so of course this
would be another great identifier for somebody like Marvin [Music] Clark this show is sponsored by better
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identifier is really important because it's a holiday weekend there's going to be a lot of people traveling and during
the weekend you would assume that there's a lot more people traveling to the big city Portland being the biggest
city in that small region right and so maybe you do see a guy that you think could be
in his 50s 60s or 70s but you go he didn't walk with a limp or I talked to him on the train or I talked to him on
the bus and both of his arms were working just fine not only does it help you identify if you saw Marvin but it
could eliminate some eyewitness sightings as well first he arm wrestled me with the left arm and one and then he
arm wrestled me with with the right and once again beat me again that's interesting captain and it wasn't lost
on me that it was a holiday weekend you know it's a it's a bit of a Hallmark holiday in my opinion but a lot of
people love Halloween I know a lot of people dare you dismiss Halloween best holidays ever I enjoy it
because I love the uh candy and I love the uh the the scary sounds uh soundtracks but yeah it sounds like
somebody's backpedaling on their Hallmark bicycle I don't know I I didn't look up or dig too deeply on to see if
there were any festivities going on in Portland partly though I I don't believe that there are you know too many men in
their 70s that are living for Halloween but I could be wrong right I've been wrong once or twice before now what's
interesting here too though that shows a an effort by the family so the family is
is quoted and had clearly spoke to reporters at more than one time early on when their father or husband was missing
because some of them are quoted and referenced in the newspaper articles from November and December of
1926 his daughter that he may or may not have been going to visit Sydney McDougall she offers up a $100 reward
for information leading to finding her father Marvin Clark and of course $100 back in 1926 is easily half
a billion dollars today yeah if my father went missing today I'd offer up a hundred bucks as well the math is not
correct do not check into that on November 9th the Bellingham Herald so Bellingham the the city of Belling is in
Washington so we're not terribly far away from Oregon but we are now across the state line the Bellingham Harold
reports that Marvin Clark's wife Mary Clark she receives air quotes a disconnected postcard reportedly written
by her husband that was postmarked in Bellingham Washington and there were persons that came forward that they
stated that they believed that they saw somebody matching Marvin Clark's General
description at two hotels in the area so yeah two different locations correct and
what I believe here Captain this is kind of a blanketed statement but to tear this apart a little bit this looks to me
like we're talking about two different eyewitnesses one at each of these hotels now the dates on these possible sighting
of Marvin Clark are November 2nd and November 3rd remember he was traveling on October 30th so we're a couple days
out this seems to reason that if it was Marvin Clark that was spotted by one or both of these individuals I'm guessing
it would take a few more days than than it does today for this postcard if it was in fact from her husband to travel
back to Tiger Oregon for Mary to receive it one thing you know Not only was Mr Marvin Clark handsome and Dapper as we
both agree here in the garage and I will post his picture to Twitter Instagram and Facebook if you're curious of what
Marvin Clark looks like I I do want to point out something that we haven't brought up yet Marvin Alvin Clark it
just it doesn't seem like H the Alvin must be like a family name cuz Marvin Alvin Clark little little strange to me
doesn't roll off the tongue but I would go with Mac for short uh if I would have
been Marvin Mr Clark was highly educated as well he attended and graduated from two different universities much earlier
in his life and we underline that though to point out that if in fact this postcard arrives and it's air quotes
disconnected in fact I don't like the the disconnected I don't even know what that means statement well I I can go
into it here a little bit because okay there's other reports that I think this describes it better badly jumbled
postcard is the other description and I looked high and then I looked low probably shouldn't look for things under
the influence I did not find I wanted to find an image of this postcard online because you know me Captain like so many
other a letter there's a note or letter I am fully invested in the the the mystery I wanted to review this postcard
and couldn't find it so if anybody out there any of our wonderful listeners knows where this can be seen please
email it to us that'd be awesome or hit us up on Twitter at True Crime garage or
tcgn we point out his education because look it's it's 1926 there's a much higher population of
people that cannot read or write at that time that would not be the situation for
Marvin Clark what I think the family's pointing out here is we received this postcard this is good because it means
he made it somewhere and he's still alive when it was sent however it's bad because we're reading this disconnected
or what I like badly jumbled postcard that came from our father from our husband we're concerned too that that
he's yes he he may be alive and he was able to send this postcard but the postcard is weird as hell all right so
if it shows up and it's all doesn't make any sense how the hell did he address the thing so it even ends up at the
correct address there are reports that state that it didn't go to his wife but that it went to either the daughter or
one of his sons uh but regardless of who receives the postcard I believe it was his wife
because the most of the reports state that that's who received it right regardless of who received it how the
hell is his message in the postcard all jumbled and doesn't make sense to anybody but he accurately gives the
address but on top of all that I mean no matter how it badly it's jumbled I would
believe his wife she would be the one that could look at that postcard and say yeah this postcard might be quote
unquote disconnected or all jumbled up but that is my husband's handwriting it might be slop a little more sloppy than
normal but um that's definitely his handwriting so I I believe that that's a it's not just a hoax or they didn't just
get some random postcard from some random individual in Washington yes and no I don't like this postcard I don't
like it at all because the postcard to me is much more nefarious than any of these other parts of his little timeline
here so what you're trying to say is that it's possible that if something nefarious happened to him that somebody
else could have mailed a postcard to the family to throw them off the scent that
something bad happened in Portland actually I'm going to go with this to different ways okay something bad could
have happened to him in Portland something bad could have happened to him in Bellingham Washington something bad
could have happened to him in anywhere I mean it's we're almost a hundred years later and we've we've not answered a lot
of the questions that are in this store we can't state definitively that he made
it out of his hometown exactly that's what I'm getting at this postcard to me just screams of potential Foul Play and
I want to underline the word potential there right we've seen it's not terribly uncommon for someone to try to
create an alibi in these types of stories right husband kills wife or husband has
somebody kill his wife and purposely calls home a couple times and leaves voicemails for the wife after he knows
that she's been taken out well I couldn't have killed her you heard the voicemails I was trying to get a hold of
her I had no involvement I had no knowledge of anything that happened to her and we've also seen it happen with
stranger on Stranger crimes it's not out of the realm of possibility that somebody pulls an ID off of this guy
or pull something out of this guy's Pockets that and sees an address and decides to send a
postcard that with with a message that makes no sense right the other thing too is until we see till somebody else lays
eyes on this postcard none of the newspaper articles at the time this this is all we had a conversation with
somebody in the family and they told us they received this postcard I want somebody else's eyes to have seen this
postcard did this postcard even exist yeah good point did something happen to him before he even left tiger organ as
you pointed out Captain that's certainly a possibility that we need to discuss could have something happened to him in
Tiger Oregon and he didn't even make it out of there and I'm not trying to point
the finger at the family or anything but it would not be the first time that somebody creates a situation like this
to make it look like this dude left and he was alive and well but sent this jumbled postcard to us
several days later after he left our great little city here well just let's go back to my little
hypothetical my father goes missing right I could offer up a million dollars if I know that nobody's going to come
forward with correct information to come find him so just because somebody offers up a reward
doesn't mean that they they're not somebody that we should look at well and the thing here is look at the story when
you review the story it's one giant Tail Spin To Me family says he left tiger at Oregon to
go to Portland to visit his daughter daughter says I had no idea that he was coming to see me oh he might have been
going for a doctor's appointment we have no doctor to back up that there was ever
any appointment made or any visit that took place right postcard comes back saying that he's in Bellingham
Washington nobody ever said that he was going to Bellingham Washington to begin with it's one giant Tail Spin and then
some articles go out of their way to state that Marvin did not take a coat with him now this is to me an
interesting little angle here let's Circle back to the the the coat or no coat situation I want to completely
address this postcard you and the postcard the problem with the postcard here Captain let's say that let's say
the postcard is 100% factually real and true and they receive some confused misguided misconnected disconnected
message from Marvin where where's his body right if if he ends up going into some kind of state of Dementia or he
ends up having medical or health issues while on his travels he should have been
found unless unless I mean unless he's dropped out in the middle of nowhere out in the forest somewhere well we're
talking about this case what almost a hundred years later so this is this is not a case that
people in that area wouldn't have heard of so if some mental institution took him in or some Hospital took him in or
somebody took him in and said oh we found this guy and he's not able to talk or he's not able to communicate but he
could obviously write a letter so he he might have some dementia he might be going in and out of you know a conscious
state but you'd think that they would have heard of this in the news and at least been able to say hey hey we found
a guy and he might be Marvin but nobody has come forward right and to me it it so if he runs into health
problems if he gets into the state of dementia and gets lost or let's say out of outside of what we've heard
or what we've been told that he was even suicidal those three possibilities seem
very unlikely to me given that we we've never recovered Marvin Alvin Clark we've never
recovered his body he was never found anywhere if if Marvin had been discovered somewhere if he died on a
train or on a bus or in a stage coach or at some hotel we wouldn't be talking about this
story today there would be a lot less mystery there so those three possibilities seem to be much less
likely than the two possibilities that I think seem of a higher probability and I would believe that the
higher probability factors point to me that either a he wanted to go missing or B somebody wanted him to go missing yeah
it's a tough one because like we said he didn't have use of his right arm and he
had a limp and so to me that's indication that he had some kind of stroke and it's possible that he had
another one and lost the ability to communicate and it's possible that they did find him there was uh John Doe that
one could make an argument could be Marvin Alvin Clark who who is that because I think to me like the the coat
thing is another Factor another part of the story that might lead one to believe
or could be some evidence that maybe he was not thinking clearly when he left you know it's October 30th I don't know
what the weather was that day or that week but it sounds like his intention were to be gone for a night or a couple
of days that time of year you're probably going to want to take a coat with you so I think that is an indicator
that maybe he wasn't thinking clearly maybe dementia maybe health issues so you have that angle and I that's why we
bring up the coat but again if it's if it's mental if it's dementia if it's health issues any of that I feel like
we're we are finding him okay so in 1986 there was a John Doe that was discovered
um in the woods between Tigard and Portland and there was no identification found on the body but there was an
1888 Liberty Head nickel and a 1919 penny a pocket watch leather shoes and a Fraternal Order of Eagle pocket knife
and four tokens with the inscription DP were found near the body uh 38 Revol and a spent shell were also found near
the remains a pair of wired Rim glasses were also discovered and upon the autopsy of John Doe the State medical
examiner Dr Karen gunson observed a bullet hole in the man's skull they ruled the death of suicide and the
estimated age of John do was 35 to 55 which would be obviously a lot younger than Marvin they brought in Clark's
granddaughter Dorothy Willoughby to try to identify the body but there was no positive identification made and
Willoughby died in 1991 so again that J was discovered in 1986 he goes missing in
1926 so that's a that's you know I hate to say it you know I don't want anybody to lose their
lunch but that's a pretty body yeah the problem with this John Doe though is it was determined to not be
Marvin Clark and it took years for them to figure that out the interesting thing
here too was the Fraternal Order of Eagle's pocket knife I was a little surprised and of course I'm not going to
sit here and pretend to know everything about my grandparents or frankly I don't
know much and it's a little disappointing now that I've come to this realization that I know almost nothing
about my great-grandparents but the Fraternal Order of Eagles is is a club it's it's an organization that you have
to become a member of I was a little surprised to see you know I wanted to see if anybody would be yes he was a
member of the Eagles or he he was not um now you don't have to I guess there are
other means of acquiring such pocketknife without having been in the Fraternal Order of Eagles but it wasn't
until 2018 that they figure out that that John Doe is not in fact Marvin Alvin Clark
and that was based off of DNA now the University of North Texas have have been great and been doing Gang Busters work
on identifying unidentified persons for years they're probably if not one of the
best in the business of identifying these unidentified persons or unidentified remains they determined based off of DNA
samples that were provided to them from family members of Marvin Clark that this
in fact is not Marvin Clark so what we end up here with everybody doing all this good work we have the medical
examiner out where the remains were located in organ doing great work and keeping alive this case Marvin Clark's
case and we have the good people down at the University of North Texas doing wonderful work all trying to solve this
mystery and then what we end up getting Captain is two Mysteries we still don't know who Marvin Alvin Clark what
happened to him and now we have this situation where we have these unidentified remains that were found in
1986 we don't know we're not able to give a name to this person that was found okay I'm not I'm going to sound
like Mr Captain possibilities here here but they're looking for a quote unquote descendant of Marvin Clark and so then
they end up finding what his great great granddaughter look it's possible that you know his kids weren't his
kids and I don't mean to like just throw out every possibility in the world but there this was a time where
if if you got married to somebody that already had kids and you were going to just adopt them and and raise them as
your own that you might just never told them that you're not their father so I'm just saying it's is isn't
a possibility that yes it doesn't match his great great granddaughter's DNA but it it still could be Clark oh yes yeah
that that would be a possibility I would I would need to know more about the I know that's a little farfetched I don't
think it's so farfetched I think we would need to know more obviously about their family tree and about the DNA that
was collected by the University of North Texas it does seem to be a pretty definitive statement that they're giving
out but you've quickly poked some holes in that possibility so it's an interesting well the thing is is that
you have a missing guy for so many years and then what 60 years later you find these
remains and they're between supposedly where he was coming from and where he was going and people
claim there's multiple people that claim that he's possibly suicidal and this guy
death you know this John Doe's death is ruled a suicide what I can't get over is
these the nickel that they found and the penny that they found 1888 Liberty Head and a 19119 penny it
just seems uh strange I I'd like to know also if you have a revolver I think to find the date of when that revolver was
made to me that would be wouldn't be that hard to figure out right and if that puts us in the time period of
Marvin Clark then I'd go we need to we might need to reexamine this a little the other thing that you're going to
want to figure out as well is okay let's pretend that in the very slight chance you've brought up a
scenario where it could be Marvin Clark the remains that were found the skeleton
as been reported was found in the Woods by loggers between tiger and Portland what
the hell is up with Bellingham Washington If This Were to be Marvin Clark does I mean does he go to
Bellingham and then try to return to his home and then instead of going home he kills himself it it seems there seem to
be a lot of hurdles to clear to make this to be Marvin Clark I I no no but like you said I think you raised some
good points on what could make this disconnected quote unquote postcard it's fishy It's seems somewhat
nefarious it does it seems very strange in the the case this missing situation to me seems
a little shaky right I feel like it's a little shaky and I'm not trying to point
the finger at anybody but when we have so many Mysteries inside of the timeline itself inside of what should be a such a
short timeline it just there's something about it that feels very weird and I get
it it's a hundred years ago there could have been breadcrumbs that were lost along the way 100% nobody's disputing
that there could be blanks that should be could be easily filled in in the timeline here with Marvin Clark that we
just can't do given the time the passage of time here Marvin Clark's family continues to seek answers in this case
regardless of what happened to Marvin Clark his family wants to know what happened to him and namus has been
involved in Clark's case namus for those that are unaware is a forum for families
across generations to know that their loved ones have not been forgotten the oldest case in namus is a gentleman
named Elijah Cravens who has been missing since 1902 Cravens was last known to be riding a horse to The
Woodsman of the world fair in Oklahoma he was never heard from again although he may not be found he will always have
a resting place in in namus where he will be remembered there is also another case that dates back to
1920 but as far as I could find Captain this Marvin Clark disappearance of October 1926 is one of the oldest
missing person's cases as far as namus and other websites and databases are concerned again his family continues to
seek answers for Marvin Clark what happened to Marvin Alvin Clark where is he February 3rd is National missing
person day one of the things that we can do for the True Crime community and we see it a lot on social media I know
Colonel you see it a lot as people continue to share images and descriptions of missing persons and it
really does help it helps law enforcement and it helps to try to get some answers for these families yes and
we mentioned the name in the trailer we have Alexandria Joy lowitzer who has been missing since April 26 of 2010 she
was last seen in her hometown of Spring Texas she goes by the name of Ally she is a
Caucasian female she was aged 16 back in 20110 her height and weight are 5 foot2 140 to 150 pounds back then her
hair brown hair sometimes dyed black and she has blue eyes she was last seen wearing dark pants a hoodie and a
multicolored backpack and we discussed some of the limited detail TS about her Disappearance in the trailer her
family's still looking for her there's a chance that she did take off on her own
her friends were very Cooperative or appear to have been Cooperative in the early stages of the investigation but
later informed the family that Ali was dating a an older man at the time that she went missing this was something that
is yet to be determined as fact but was not mentioned at the time when she went missing so praise to her mother Joanne
who pushed for National missing persons day if anybody has any information at all regarding Alexandria Joy lowitzer
who is still missing you can contact the FBI vicap team at 800 6344 4097 or you can reach out to the
sheriff's department and that is timothy. Haz H yees sheriff. tx.net and we will put Ali's missing
persons poster on our social media on Twitter yeah so if you want to take a moment on February 3rd we all have have
missing person cases that we have looked into and tried to do some arm share detective work ourselves post a picture
of that missing individual and some information and we'll try to share as many of those as we can hash those
missing person and maybe we could get that trending in the Twitter sphere and just a quick reminder last week we
recommended our recommended reading from last week was a book called Hope by Amanda Barry and Gina De Jesu
which goes well with missing persons cases and National missing persons day this is a book of of two individuals
that were missing and they returned home this is a book that that gives hope to all of the loved ones of missing
individuals out there you can find that title and many great other titles and recommendations on our recommended page
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Husband and father Marvin Alvin Clark disappeared a long time ago. There are unconfirmed sightings of Marvin however it’s generally believed that his last known whereabouts were leaving his home in Tigard, Oregon on October 30th, 1926. This is one of America’s oldest active missing person cases. There is much question and speculation that surrounds this still missing person true crime case. February 3rd, 2023 is National Missing Persons Day. This day is recognized annually and was created to raise awareness each for the the missing. The day was inspired by the still active missing person case of Alexandria (Ali) Lowitzer. Ali was sixteen when she went missing in 2010 from her hometown of Spring, Texas. Ali was described as five foot two inches tall, caucasian female with brown or dyed black hair and blue eyes. To provide or request additional information please contact: The Harris County Sheriff’s Office @ 713-274-9247 - FBI ViCAP, 800-634-4097, email - VICAP@FBI.GOV

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Brief Summary

This episode covers National Missing Persons Day and the mysterious case of Marvin Alvin Clark's disappearance in 1926.

Key points

National Missing Persons Day. February 3rd is dedicated to raising awareness about the thousands of missing persons in the U.S.
Marvin Clark's Mysterious Disappearance. Marvin Clark vanished in 1926, leading to ongoing intrigue and investigation.
A Unique Identifier. Marvin Clark's ailments and identifiers, including a limp and paralysis, were crucial for eyewitness accounts.
A Reward for Information. Marvin's daughter offered a $100 reward for information about his disappearance, a significant amount in 1926.
The Disconnected Postcard. Marvin Clark's wife received a postcard that was reportedly jumbled and disconnected, raising suspicions about its authenticity.
Mystery of John Doe. The remains found in 1986 were ruled a suicide but not Marvin Clark.

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The loss of a loved one is an incredible loss, but not knowing is torture.

Reflecting on the pain of uncertainty in missing persons cases.

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