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2010 her family calls her Ally in 2010 she was 16 years of age Ali left school that day and got off at
her usual bus stop near her home at 3 pm in route she called her mother saying she was going to walk to Burger Barn
where she worked to pick up her paycheck this was only a quarter of a mile from her home
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missing people and look for that individual missing people Marvin Alvin Clark for those of you that
follow a lot of missing persons cases out there you may be familiar with this name with his name and this case this is
a somewhat well-known case in fact some have said this is one of the most famous
missing persons cases a lot of that comes from just how old this case is when people become fascinated with
certain types of True Crime cases they tend to dive deep into those stories so they are on the internet hunting and
trolling for news stories but also researching the old ones well when you go to research old missing persons cases
Marvin Clark's name is sure to appear on the first page of your internet search any type of category of True Crime that
you are into many times people dive deep into that category be it missing persons
serial killers strange mysterious deaths and so on Marvin Clark's name comes up when you search for old missing persons
cases and that's because Marvin Alan Clark disappeared a long time ago there are some unconfirmed sightings of Marvin
after his disappearance however it's generally believed that Marvin Clark's last known whereabouts was leaving his
home in Tigard Oregon on October 30th 1926. yeah the year the colonel was born now his timeline Captain is a little
strange as you know and one could easily argue that there are a ton of holes in his timeline but let's get right to it
shall we on October 30th 1926 Marvin Clark left his home the reports that list his time or an approximate time say
he left his home around 1pm that day many believed that he was going to visit his daughter
her name is Sydney McDougall Sydney worked at and lived at a hotel in Portland Oregon today this is a 10 to 12
mile trip depending on the route that you would take so that would take you about 15 maybe 20 minutes back then look
almost 100 years ago I don't know the routes or how long it may take to travel there we can make the easy assumption I
believe that it would have taken a considerably longer time to travel to and from Portland to his home in Tigard
Oregon his daughter Sydney was the manager of the Hereford hotel which was located at 735 Hoyt Street in Northwest
Portland now very quickly in this timeline we will start to run into some inconsistencies or discrepancies the
initial report of Marvin's disappearance which comes to us from a November 6 1926
news article by the morning Oregonian states that Marvin was to travel to Portland via Stagecoach but then we get
another report about a week later that states that he had traveled to Portland by bus so right away Captain we start to
see one problem with our timeline here and that is the means of travel how was he planning to get to and from his
destination we have StageCoach we have bus both are mentioned yeah they never talk much about Marvin visiting his
daughter before up in Portland Oregon stay weird but also I think one of the reasons why this case has stayed in the
True Crime community and one of the reasons why people continue to look it up is it he went missing during the
Halloween weekend yes it's a mysterious case already but then you double down on
that with the Halloween weekend and then add to that that this is an older gentleman right most reports have him 73
to 76 years of age at the time of his disappearance so rarely and I say rarely after today's trailer people are going
to say Nick you just contradicted yourself rarely do we have reports of older people going missing now you will
see in a lot of times we have silver alerts where we have persons of an older age
seniors that go missing and a lot of times they are experiencing some dementia but
here and the reason why I think this is weird is that that's easily explained when we know that somebody is
experiencing dementia it makes sense that they went missing they wandered off and now their family everybody's looking
for them we need to find them as soon as we can here we could have that possibility of dementia but I'm pointing
out his age because a lot of times when we see somebody go missing it could be for nefarious reasons it could be that
somebody did something to them it could be that there is Foul Play suspected but
often when we have a situation where there's the possibility that the individual walked away
from their life to start anew we usually don't see it being somebody of this age
it's usually somebody in their 20s or their 30s maybe even their 40s he has a whole life a a very long life of 70 plus
years with his wife with his family and his whole world as he knows it and they know it so unless we're talking about
dementia here it would seem very odd to me to have somebody of this extended age walking away to start anew
Marvin Clark was also a very handsome man and he was very Dapper and he was dressed for the occasion it just seems
like he has all his faculties it wasn't like he was disheveled and losing his mind or anything well I can
agree with you for the most part but the reports state that there could be a possibility that that is not quite the
situation and that's what is difficult about looking at his case as we said one could argue that there are a ton of
holes in this timeline and the thoughts about why how he went missing so let's get
into that right away we see the trouble with the means of travel right did he go
by Stagecoach did he go by bus the captain is absolutely correct handsome man very damper you could the the few
pictures of him that I have seen he's he's well dressed he's a distinguished older gentleman
he is often wearing a suit in fact one of the possible sightings and I want to be clear here because there are some
reports that make it sound definitive that he was in fact spotted and seen right I want to be clear here
exactly thank you Captain so one possible sighting of Marvin Clark after he left his home that day was we have a
witness that comes forward saying that he was seen at the terminal on Yamhill Street in downtown Portland dressed in a
dark suit in slacks okay that goes along with everything the captain is saying this is as far as several reports are
concerned to be the last sighting of him however I think we really need to hone in on this and I don't think that we can
all conclude that that is a confirmed sighting of our man Marvin Clark what I think we have here Captain because other
Reports say that there were no sightings of him or there were possible sightings
of Marvin Clark but they were later disputed and unconfirmed I think here what we have is somebody trying to help
trying to offer up some kind of solution and point the family in law enforcement
in some kind of Direction possibly confirming that he did arrive in Portland this is somebody that is
matching his description or someone that is believed to have been Marvin Clark not definitively Marvin Clark well and
let's take out the whole holiday weekend thing it was the weekend and Portland would be the biggest destination
of all the small towns in that area on the weekend so I'm guessing that those terminals would be filled with more
individuals which would give us more of a chance to identify the wrong person right and here's the other problem we
talk about means of travel as being a complication and being a debate worthy item here in the timeline but we also
have the purpose of his travel so the purpose of his travels it's often stated that he was going to go and visit
his daughter well that becomes tricky right away too because what we learn of this is how we
discovered that Marvin's missing in the first place Marvin goes on this trip to Portland or
at least that's what his wife was told it's been stated that he was going to visit his daughter
and I'm guessing that his intentions were to not just visit but also to possibly stay the night and that's what
some of the reports indicate however when his wife after a few days of not hearing from her husband
she reaches out to the daughter saying hey did did your father how did the visit go did your father leave is do
you think he'll be back today or tomorrow and the daughter Sydney she says I didn't know he was coming to
Portland to see me right so right there and then we have our first problem of the purpose of his travel so other
articles state that he was going to Portland for a doctor's visit this is really interesting to me and I've I've
heard the arguments I've read the arguments and these are very smart arguments and we've seen this with other
more recent missing persons cases where you have this discrepancy in the story and there's a possibility that
both are true is there a chance here that he was going to the big city of Portland
a neighboring City and he was going there to visit a doctor has a doctor's visit
and he says you know what what a great idea I will surprise my lovely wonderful daughter while I'm there with a while
I'm there with a visit from her father maybe his intentions were to stay the night at the hotel
make his travels a little more pleasant a little more enjoyable extend them out a little bit and then return home so
there's a there's a opportunity here that both are in fact true well I think one of the
things that makes it more complicated is it's not like he's traveling a large distance he's traveling a pretty short
distance so look he goes to the doctor's appointment he goes to visit his daughter she doesn't let's say she
didn't have time for him couldn't get him a room at where she's working no big deal I'll just hit the bus and go back
home right so it's it's not unlikely for somebody to make a imprompt to visit when it's such a short distance of
travel right and here's the thing too though that I I have a bit of an issue with both of these
ideas for his purpose of travel we have and we know this to be true because we've reviewed the newspaper articles
there are articles that date back to November 6 1926 that are talking about communities
and law enforcement and different jurisdictions actively looking for this elderly man the problems I have with the
timeline and the narrative or narratives I think we shall say is some of these things could be easily followed up on
right so we know the story about the daughter where he may have been going to visit
her or maybe it was a surprise visit but what we do know with the daughter is it a he never arrives she never sees
her father on his travels B she's unaware that he was going to visit her or had any intention at all of
invisiting of visiting her so one part I have with that is it's stated in these reports that if he was visiting his
daughter his intentions would have been to stay the night well there's an occupancy
to hotels there was in 1926 there is today it seems a little out of character for
Marvin to go there with the plan of staying the night not knowing in advance whether he
would have a room or not so that seems a little weird but more strange than that in my opinion Captain
is this doctor's visit I don't know how things were back in 1926 but today I have to schedule an
appointment with a certain doctor this to me seems like something that could have been easily followed up on why does
nobody in the family seem to know who or what doctor he was going to visit if in
fact he was going to a doctor why is there no follow-up on who the appointment was made with if he ever
arrived at that appointment because that that's the problem with Marvin's story right we have this unconfirmed sighting
of him at the terminal in downtown Portland so that would be an indication that he made it to Portland however if
he does not attend a doctor's visit if he does not which we know he did not meet up with his daughter if neither of
those things happened and this sighting is unconfirmed at best we have nothing to indicate to us or to
prove to us that in fact he even made it to Portland OR was in Portland at any time well Marvin Clark couldn't use his
right arm he suffered from paralysis and he also had a limp so these are two things that would really distinct him
from other individuals but it also makes you wonder at some point I'm guessing Marvin had a stroke and that's why he
had trouble one walking and and two with the use of his right arm and so is it possible that when he went to travel he
had a stroke and didn't remember who he was or where he was at or where he was going yeah and that's the thing too it's
when we talked about this possible doctor's visit again these reports are out in the newspapers and this is a time
when everybody's reading the papers if he did in fact have a an appoint appointment scheduled with the doctor
even if his family didn't know what doctor it was why did nobody come forward to say that he had an
appointment scheduled again it's it's difficult to look at some of these things because we don't know the exact
workings of things in Portland Oregon in 1926. and like you said I mean if he has
a doctor's appointment why is why isn't that doctor coming forward and saying hey I saw Marvin that day and and he had
the appointment and this is what the appointment was about for the reverse I didn't see him that day but he was
scheduled to come in right and speak with me so that's really interesting to me so I don't want to
completely squash the whole doctor's visit idea but I think we should really underline both things here when we go we
don't know the means of his travels but we also don't know the purpose of his travels well the purpose of his travels
are very sketchy at Best in my opinion where we have this doctor's visit that we know nothing about we have the
daughter visit that we that she knows nothing about right it's very strange it's a very mysterious
and intriguing disappearance case now we did state that there were some possible sightings of Marvin that could
help the one that seems to might possibly have the most or carry the most weight is the one that we've
already discussed that Marvin was seen at a terminal on this Street in downtown Portland dressed in a
dark suit in slacks some reports even state that that is the last reported sighting of him again I don't think that
there's enough information in there to confirm one way or another if that is in fact Marvin but
the other possible sightings of Marvin are even more sketchy than that one so this is the one that has kind of
stood the test of time where the others did not and I think that's because these other ones and
we're only talking about two or three at best right I don't think these other ones carried any weight at all because
they are so far less descriptive than this one yeah it seems like a handful of horseshit or
big bag of malarkey what is interesting to me here captain and this is one thing
that we talk about in the garage when covering these missing persons cases are identifiers
right things that would separate Marvin Clark or any other missing person from the masses from the from the just
another face in the crowd for example when we discussed Priceless Pizza his case he's still
missing unfortunately right he's got this big prominent tattoo on his left shoulder
this of a Taurus Bullhead so this is not a typical run-of-the-mill tattoo you know it's not the uh it's not the the
heart with an arrow through it or it's not uh what's you could get a get the tattoo of the woman back in the day when
you flex your your bicep and make her wiggle it's not one that you would expect to see on every Tom Dick and
Harry no he's got a very interesting very neat and unique tattoo on his upper left arm so
that is a an identifier for somebody like bryceless Pisa who is still missing now you mentioned it already here
Captain with Marvin Clark we have his ailment right we have the the he is having
issues with not being able to properly use his right arm he has some kind of paralysis
he also walked with a limp according to many articles this is a distinction that at the time
is mentioned time and time again because police hoped that that would help to elicit sightings of him that this
would help people to go oh I remember seeing a man that looked like he was in his late 60s early 70s and he he walked
with a limp there are other reports too that stated that he needed the use of a Cane so of course this would be another
great identifier for somebody like Marvin Clark foreign [Music] [Music] we are back cheers mates
canes in the air if you're singing bass for Boys to Men cheers to you Colonel two canes in the
air for your Forest Gump magic legs magic legs well no and this you know like you said that identifier
is really important because it's a holiday weekend there's going to be a lot of people traveling and during the
weekend you would assume that there's a lot more people traveling to the big city Portland being the biggest city and
that small region right and so maybe you do see a guy that you think could be in
his 50s 60s or 70s but you go he didn't walk with a limp or I talked to him on the train or I talked to him on the bus
and both of his arms were working just fine not only does it help you identify if
you saw Marvin but it could eliminate some eyewitness sightings as well first he arm wrestled me with the left arm in
one and then he arm wrestled me with the right and once again beat me again that's interesting captain and it wasn't
lost on me that it was a holiday weekend you know it's a it's a bit of a Hallmark
holiday in my opinion but a lot of people love Halloween I know a lot of people are you dismiss Halloween I enjoy
holidays ever I enjoy it because I love the uh candy and I love the uh the the scary sounds uh soundtracks but yeah it
sounds like somebody's backpedaling on their Hallmark bicycle I don't know I I didn't look up or dig too deeply on to
see if there were any festivities going on in Portland partly though I I don't believe that there are you know too many
men in their 70s that are living for Halloween but I could be wrong right I've been wrong once or twice before now
what's interesting here too though that shows a an effort by the family so the family is is quoted and had clearly
spoke to reporters at more than one time early on when their father or husband was missing because some of them are
quoted and referenced in the newspaper articles from November and December of 1926.
his daughter that he may or may not have been going to visit Sydney McDougall she offers up a 100
reward for information leading to finding her father Marvin Clark and of course one hundred dollars back in 1926 is
easily half a billion dollars today yeah if my father went missing today I'd offer up a hundred bucks as well the
math is not correct do not check into that on November 9th the Bellingham Herald so
Bellingham the the city of Bellingham is in Washington so we're not terribly far
away from Oregon but we are now across the state line the Bellingham Herald reports that Marvin Clark's wife Mary
Clark she receives air quotes a disconnected postcard reportedly written by her husband that
was postmarked in Bellingham Washington and there were persons that came forward
that they stated that they believed that they saw somebody matching Marvin Clark's General description
at two hotels in the area so yeah two different locations correct and what I believe here Captain this is kind of a
blanketed statement but to tear this apart a little bit this looks to me like we're talking about two different
eyewitnesses one at each of these hotels now the dates on these possible sightings of Marvin Clark are November
2nd and November 3rd remember he was traveling on October 30th so we're a couple days out this seems to reason
that if it was Marvin Clark that was spotted by one or both of these individuals I'm guessing it would take a
few more days than than it does today for this postcard if it was in fact from her husband to travel back to Tigard
Oregon for Mary to receive it one thing you know Not only was Mr Marvin Clark handsome and Dapper as we both agree
here in the garage and I will post this picture to Twitter Instagram and Facebook if you're curious of what
Marvin Clark looks like I I do want to point out something that we haven't brought up yet Marvin Alvin Clark it's
it doesn't seem like uh the the Alvin must be like a family name because Marvin Alvin Clark a little a little
strange to me doesn't roll off the tongue but I would go with Mac for short uh right if I would have been Marvin Mr
Clark was was highly educated as well he attended and graduated from two different universities much earlier in
his life and we underlined that though to point out that if in fact this postcard arrives and its air quotes
disconnected in fact I don't like the the disconnected I don't even know what that means statement well I I can go
into it here a little bit because there's other reports that I think this describes it better badly jumbled
postcard is the other description and I looked hi and then I looked low probably shouldn't
look for things under the influence I did not find I wanted to find an image of this postcard online because you know
me Captain like so many others or a letter there's the note or a letter I am fully invested in the the mystery I
wanted to review this postcard and couldn't find it so if anybody out there any of our wonderful listeners knows
where this can be seen please email it to us that'd be awesome or hit us up on Twitter at True Crime garage or at
tcgnic we point out his education because look it's it's 1926 there's a much higher population of people that
cannot read or write at that time that would not be the situation for Marvin Clark what I think the family's pointing
out here is we received this postcard this is good because it means he made it somewhere
and he's still alive when it was sent however it's bad because we're reading this disconnected or what I like badly
jumbled postcard that came from our father from our husband we're concerned too that he's yes he he may be alive and
he was able to send this postcard but the postcard is weird as hell all right so if it shows up and it's all doesn't
make any sense how the hell did he address the thing so it even ends up at the correct address there are reports
that state that it didn't go to his wife but that it went to either the daughter
or one of his sons uh but regardless of who receives the postcard I believe it was his wife
because the most of the reports state that that's who received it right regardless of who received it how the
hell is his message in the postcard all jumbled and doesn't make sense to anybody but he accurately gives the
address but on top of all that I mean no matter how badly it's jumbled I would believe his wife she would be
the one that could look at that postcard and say yeah this postcard might be quote unquote disconnected or all
jumbled up but that is my husband's handwriting it might be slop a little more sloppy than normal but
um that's definitely his handwriting so I I believe that that's a is it's not just a hoax or they didn't just get some
random postcard from some random individual in Washington yes and no I don't like this postcard I don't like it
at all because the postcard to me is much more nefarious than any of these other parts of his little timeline here
so what you're trying to say is that it's possible that if something nefarious happened to
him that somebody else could have mailed a postcard to the family to throw them off the scent that something bad
happened in Portland actually I'm gonna go with this two different ways okay something bad could have happened to him
in Portland something bad could have happened to him in Bellingham Washington something bad it could have happened to
him in anywhere I mean it's we're almost 100 years later and we've we've not answered a lot of the questions that are
in this story we can't state definitively that he made it out of his hometown exactly that's what I'm getting
at this postcard to me just screams of potential Foul Play and I want to underline the word potential there right
we've seen it's not terribly uncommon for someone to try to create an alibi in these types of stories right husband
kills wife or husband has somebody kill his wife and purposely calls home a couple times and leaves voicemails for
the wife after he knows that she's been taken out well I couldn't have killed her you heard the voicemails I was
trying to get a hold of her I had no involvement I had no knowledge of anything that happened to her and we've
also seen it happen with stranger on Stranger crimes it's not out of the realm of possibility that somebody pulls
an ID off of this guy or pull something out of this guy's pockets that's and sees
and address and decides to send a postcard that with with a message that makes no
sense right the other thing too is until we see until somebody else lays eyes on
this postcard none of the newspaper articles at the time this is all we had a conversation with somebody in the
family and they told us they received this postcard I want somebody else's eyes to have seen this postcard
did this postcard even exist yeah good point did something happen to him before he even left
Tigard Oregon as you pointed out Captain that's certainly a possibility that we need to discuss could have something
happened to him in Tiger Oregon and he didn't even make it out of there and I'm not trying to point the finger at the
family or anything but it would not be the first time that somebody creates a situation like this
to make it look like this dude left and he was alive and well but sent this jumbled postcard to us
several days later after he left our great little city here well just let's go back to my little hypothetical my
father goes missing right I could offer up a million dollars if I know that nobody's going to come forward with
correct information to come find him so just because somebody offers up a reward doesn't mean
that they're not somebody that we should look at well and the thing here is look
at the story when you review the story it's one giant tailspin to me family says he left
Tigard Oregon to go to Portland to visit his daughter says I had no idea that he was coming to
see me oh he might have been going for a doctor's appointment we have no doctor to back up that there was ever any
appointment made or any visit that took place right postcard comes back saying that he's in Bellingham Washington
nobody ever said that he was going to Bellingham Washington to begin with it's one giant tailspin and then some
articles go out of their way to state that Marvin did not take a coat with him now this is to me an interesting little
angle here let's Circle back to the the the coat or no coat situation I want to completely address this postcard you and
the postcard the problem with the postcard here Captain let's say that let's say the postcard is 100 factually
real and true and they receive some confused Mis guided misconnected disconnected message
from Marvin where where's his body right if if he ends up going into some kind of state of Dementia or he ends up
having medical or health issues while on his travels he should have been found and let unless I mean unless he's
dropped out in the middle of nowhere out in the forest somewhere well we're talking about this case
what almost a hundred years later so this is this is not a case that people in that area wouldn't have heard
of so if some mental institution took him in or some Hospital took him in or somebody
took him in and said oh we found this guy and he's not able to talk or he's not able to communicate but he could
obviously write a letter so he he might have some dementia he might be going in and out of
you know a conscious state but you'd think that they would have heard of this in the news and at least been able to
say hey hey we found a guy and he might be Marvin but nobody has come forward right and to
me so if he runs into health problems if he gets into the state of dementia and gets
lost or let's say out of outside of what we've heard or what we've been told that he was even suicidal those three
possibilities seem very unlikely to me given that we we've never recovered Marvin Alvin Clark we've never recovered
his body he was never found anywhere if if Marvin had been discovered somewhere if he died on a train or on a bus or in
a stagecoach or at some Hotel we wouldn't be talking about this story today there would be a lot less mystery there
so those three possibilities seem to be much less likely than the two possibilities that I think seem
of a higher probability and I would believe that the higher probability factors point to me that
either a he wanted to go missing or B somebody wanted him to go missing yeah it's a tough one because like we said he
didn't have use of his right arm and he had a limp and so to me that's an indication that he had some kind of
stroke and it's possible that he had another one and lost the ability to communicate
and it's possible that they did find him there was a John Doe that one could make an argument could be
Marvin Alvin Clark who who is that because I think to me like the the coat thing is another Factor another part of
the story that might lead one to believe or could be some evidence that maybe he
was not thinking clearly when he left you know it's October 30th I don't know what the weather was that day or that
week but it sounds like his intentions were to be gone for a night or a couple of days that time of year you're
probably going to want to take a coat with you so I think that is an indicator that maybe he wasn't thinking clearly
maybe dementia maybe health issues so you have that angle and I that's why we bring up the coat but again if it's
if it's mental if it's dementia if it's health issues any of that I feel like we're we are finding him okay so in 1986
there was a John Doe that was discovered um in the woods between Tigard and Portland and there was no identification
found on the body but there was an 1888 Liberty Head nickel and a 1919 penny a pocket watch leather shoes and a
Fraternal Order of Eagles pocket knife and four tokens with the inscription DP were found near the body a 38 revolver
and a spent shell were also found near the remains a pair of wired Rim glasses were also discovered and upon the
autopsy of John Doe the State medical examiner Dr Karen gunson observed a bullet hole in the man's skull they
ruled the death of suicide and the estimated age of John Doe was 35 to 55 which would be obviously a lot younger
than Marvin they brought in Clark's granddaughter Dorothy Willoughby to try to identify
the body but there was no positive identification made and will it be died in 1991. so again that John Doe was
discovered in 1986 he goes missing in 1926 so that's that's you know I hate to say it you know I
don't want anybody to lose their lunch but that's a pretty decayed body yeah the problem with this John Doe though is
it was determined to not be Marvin Clark and it took years for them to figure that out the interesting thing
here too was the Fraternal Order of Eagles pocket knife I was a little surprised and of course I'm not going to
sit here and pretend to know everything about my grandparents or frankly I don't
know much and it's a little disappointing now that I've come to this realization that I know almost nothing
about my great-grandparents but the Fraternal Order of Eagles is is a club it's it's an organization that
you have to become a member of I was a little surprised to see you know I wanted to see if anybody would be yes he
was a member of the Eagles or he he was not um now you don't have to I guess there are other means of acquiring such
pocket knife without having been in the Fraternal Order of Eagles but it wasn't until 2018.
that they figure out that that John Doe is not in fact Marvin Alvin Clark and that was based off of DNA now the
University of North Texas have have been great and been doing gangbusters work on
identifying unidentified persons for years they're probably if not one of the best in the business
of identifying these unidentified persons or unidentified remains they determine based off of DNA samples
that were provided to them from family members of Marvin Clark that this in fact is not Marvin Clark so what we end
up here with everybody doing all this good work we have the medical examiner out where the remains were located in
Oregon doing great work and keeping alive this case Marvin Clark's case and we have the good people
down at the University of North Texas doing wonderful work all trying to solve this mystery and
then what we end up getting Captain is two Mysteries we still don't know who Marvin Alvin Clark what happened to him
and now we have this situation where we have these unidentified remains that were found in 1986 we don't know we're
not able to give a name to this person that was found okay I'm not I'm going to sound like Mr Captain possibilities here
but they're looking for a quote-unquote descendant of Marvin Clark and so then they end up finding but his
great great granddaughter look it's possible that you know his kids weren't his kids
and I don't mean to like just throw out every possibility in the world but there this was a time where if
you if you got married to somebody that already had kids and you were going to just adopt them and and raise them as
your own that you might just never told them that you're not their father so I'm just saying it's isn't it a
possibility that yes it doesn't match his great great granddaughters DNA but it it still could be Clark oh yes yeah
that that would be a possibility I would I would need to know more about the I know that's a little far-fetched I don't
think it's so yeah I think we would need to know more obviously about their family tree and about the DNA that was
collected by the University of North Texas it does seem to be a pretty definitive statement that they're giving
out but you've quickly poked some holes in that possibility so it's an interesting well the thing is is that
you have a missing guy for so many years and then what 60 years later you find these remains
and they're between supposedly where he was coming from and where he's going and people claim there's multiple people
that claim that he's possibly suicidal and this guy is death you know this John Doe's death has ruled a suicide what I
can't get over is these the nickel that they found and the penny that they found
1888 Liberty Head Nickel in the 1919 penny it just seems uh strange I'd like to know also
if you have a revolver I think to find the date of when that revolver was made to me that would be wouldn't be
that hard to figure out right and if that puts us in the time period of Marvin Clark then
I go we need to we might need to re-examine this the other thing that you're going to want to figure out as
well is okay let's pretend that in the very slight chance you've brought up a scenario where it could
be Marvin Clark the remains that were found the skeleton has been reported was found in the woods
by loggers between Tigard and Portland what the hell is up with Bellingham Washington If This Were to be
Marvin Clark does I mean does he go to Bellingham and then try to return to his home and then instead of going home he
kills himself it seems there seemed to be a lot of hurdles to clear to make this to be Marvin Clark I
I no no but like you said I think you raised some good points on what could make this disconnected quote-unquote
postcard it's fishy it seems somewhat yeah it does it seems very strange in the the
case this missing situation to me seems a little shaky right I feel like it's a little shaky and I'm not trying to point
the finger at anybody but when we have so many Mysteries inside of the timeline itself inside of what should be a such a
short timeline it just there's something about it that feels very weird and I get it it's a
hundred years ago there could have been breadcrumbs that were lost along the way
100 nobody's disputing that there could be blanks that should be could be easily
filled in in the timeline here with Marvin Clark that we just can't do given the time the passage of time here Marvin
Clark's family continues to seek answers in this case regardless of what happened
to Marvin Clark his family wants to know what happened to him and name is has been involved in Clark's case
name us for those that are unaware is a forum for families across generations to
know that their loved ones have not been forgotten the oldest case in namis is a
gentleman named Elijah Cravens who has been missing since 1902 Cravens was last known to be riding a horse to The
Woodsman of the world fair in Oklahoma he was never heard from again although he may not be found he will always have
a resting place in namis where he will be remembered there is also another case that dates back to 1920 but as far as I
could find Captain this Marvin Clark disappearance of October 1926 is one of the oldest missing persons cases as far
as namus and other websites and databases are concerned again his family continues to seek
answers for Marvin Clark what happened to Marvin Alvin Clark where is he February 3rd is National missing person
day one of the things that we can do for the True Crime community and we see it a
lot on social media I know Colonel you see it a lot as people continue to share images and descriptions of missing
persons and it really does help it helps law enforcement and it helps to try to get some answers for these families yes
and we mentioned the name in the trailer we have Alexandria Joy lowitzer who has been
missing since April 26 of 2010 she was last seen in her hometown of Spring Texas she goes by the name of Ali she is
a Caucasian female she was age 16 back in 2010 her height and weight are five foot two 140 to 150 pounds back then her
hair brown hair some times dyed black and she has blue eyes she was last seen wearing dark pants a hoodie and a
multi-colored backpack and we discussed some of the limited details about her Disappearance in the trailer
her family's still looking for her there's a chance that she did take off on her own her friends were very
Cooperative or appear to have been Cooperative in the early stages of the investigation but later informed the
family that Ali was dating a an older man at the time that she went missing this was something that is yet to be
determined as fact but was not mentioned at the time when she went missing so praise to her mother Joanne who pushed
for National missing persons day if anybody has any information at all regarding Alexandria Joy loitzer who is
still missing you can contact the FBI VI cap team at 800-634-4097 or you can reach out to the
sheriff's department and that is Timothy dot Hayes h-a-y-e-s at sheriff.h e t x dot net and we will put
Ali's missing persons poster on our social media on Twitter yeah so if you want to take a moment on
February 3rd we all have missing person cases that we have looked into and tried
to do some armchair detective work ourselves post a picture of that missing individual and some information and
we'll try to share as many of those as we can hashtag those missing person and maybe we could get that trending in the
Twitter sphere and just a quick reminder last week we recommended our recommended
reading from last week was a book called hope by Amanda Berry and Gina De Jesus which
goes well with missing persons cases and National missing persons day this is a book of of two individuals that were
missing and they returned home this is a book that that gives hope to all of the
loved ones of missing individuals out there you can find that title and many great other titles and recommendations
on our recommended page at truecrime garage.com and until next week be good be kind and don't live
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Husband and father Marvin Alvin Clark disappeared a long time ago. There are unconfirmed sightings of Marvin however it’s generally believed that his last known whereabouts were leaving his home in Tigard, Oregon on October 30th, 1926. This is one of America’s oldest active missing person cases. There is much question and speculation that surrounds this still missing person true crime case. February 3rd, 2023 is National Missing Persons Day. This day is recognized annually and was created to raise awareness each for the the missing. The day was inspired by the still active missing person case of Alexandria (Ali) Lowitzer. Ali was sixteen when she went missing in 2010 from her hometown of Spring, Texas. Ali was described as five foot two inches tall, caucasian female with brown or dyed black hair and blue eyes. To provide or request additional information please contact: The Harris County Sheriff’s Office @ 713-274-9247 - FBI ViCAP, 800-634-4097, email - VICAP@FBI.GOV

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Recommended Reading - Hope; A Memoir of Survival in Cleveland by Amanda Berry & Gina DeJesus

Brief Summary

The episode covers missing persons awareness and the mysterious case of Marvin Alvin Clark's disappearance in 1926.

Key points

National Missing Persons Day. February 3rd is designated to raise awareness about missing persons in the U.S.
Marvin Clark's Mysterious Disappearance. Marvin Clark vanished in 1926, leaving behind a puzzling timeline of events.
Family's Efforts to Find Marvin. The family actively sought help, offering a reward for information about Marvin Clark.
The Disconnected Postcard. Marvin Clark's wife receives a puzzling postcard, raising questions about his fate.
Mystery of the John Doe. A John Doe found in 1986 was ruled out as Marvin Clark after DNA testing.
Marvin Clark's Mysterious Disappearance. The case of Marvin Clark raises questions about his identity and the circumstances of his death.

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The loss of a loved one is an incredible loss.

Discussing the emotional impact of missing persons cases.

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