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[Music] you rning just we sa [Music] you when we were wrapping up yesterday's episode Captain we started talking about
possible Persons of Interest or at least people that the police told the public they were looking for people that they
wanted to interview and this came in the form of some names as well as descriptions of unknown individuals
we need to start diving into some of these people that they were talking about at the top of today's show one of
the individuals that they were looking for was a 23-year-old convicted sex offender who later would be known as a
person of interest in this case and his name is Lee Allen woo 23 years old convicted sex offender now they have not
specifically announced or addressed any direct connection between this Lee Allen
woo and Lanna Warner however they said that he became a person of interest one because of his
criminal background and two because he stole a vehicle on the same day that lean disappeared and operated that
vehicle with a expired license or invalid license at the time of course when you have somebody with a criminal
background and it is a sex offense you have a little girl who goes missing a guy that's known to be in the area and
he steals a vehicle on that day and chooses to break other laws you want to know as an investigator why why on this
day did you feel the need to steal a vehicle and operate illegally operate a vehicle authorities also asked for help
in locating John Bartell who they said was not a suspect all we know about him is that police said that he was known to
travel between Chisum in the Twin Cities they were also looking for a Bruce William Christensen of Hibbing Minnesota
he was not a suspect but could have Vital Information in the case Bruce Christensen had 17 criminal cases filed
against him between the years of 1997 and 2006 so a busy guy he eventually went to prison for robbery where he beat
a fellow inmate to death with a piece of railing that he broke off in order to use as a weapon he was sentenced to an
additional 30 years for that murder an article about his sentencing says that in September of 2003 he pled guilty to
making terrorist threats against kaln Warner very interesting sounds like a piece of [ __ ] 2003 September he pled
guilty to making terrorist threats against the mother of lyanna Warner Christensen apparently blamed kin for
the police interest in him in lyanna's case and threatened to shoot her SC back we don't know if there was any direct
connection between kin Warner and this guy but he attempted to attack a prosecutor in court and was subject to
several mental health evaluations around the same time yeah a real piece of [ __ ]
so it sounds to me Captain like when police ask you that horrible question that that nobody wants to be asked do
you know anybody that would want to harm your family or hurt your child or would
have any reason to uh do something against your family I don't know this to be the case but I'm wondering if this
man for whatever reason was somebody that was named by the family MH because it seems like he wanted revenge or to
retaliate against the Warner Family specifically kin uh for the police interest in him yeah but it shows you
the reason why they're looking at you because you go on to threaten the mother it's like look if you had nothing to do
with it it's like look I'm I'm willing to cooperate I'm willing to answer your questions I had nothing to do with this
yeah he's definitely a violent man at the end of the day no doubt about that sea bertek who we referenced in
yesterday's episode was arrested on July 10th bertek was arrested on outstanding
warrants rather than anything to do with lyanna Warner's case but he was one of the individuals that they named at that
press conference as having an interest in speaking with but while police did confirm that bertek was a convicted sex
offender they said that after interviewing him he was being considered more of a witness than a suspect we see
that in a lot of cases when somebody goes missing or there's possibly a crime within the area they do the old pedo
Roundup they realize some of these guys are not registered correctly some of these guys have warrants and they make
arrest and so there's a lot of arrests that are that have nothing to do with The Disappearance but that's just a
byproduct of of this girl going missing right on these are issuing and um carrying out outstanding warrants on
this guy and then after you speak with him you you can tell that he was in the area and you could probably back up what
he was doing and his whereabouts during that time so he like anybody else in that neighborhood or that that general
area would be now witness status of course in any missing child case investigators would not be doing their
job if they did not take a hard look at those with the easiest access to the missing child and of course we're
talking about the family authorities said fairly quickly that they were comfortable with what the family was
telling them that lyanna disappeared while away from home and they had nothing to do with it in fact they don't
seem to have suspected the parents at all or if they did it was very brief in behind the scenes reports indicate that
the Warners were not asked to take polygraphs as you pointed out Captain but the fact is kin Warner was one of
the last people to see lyanna lyanna could have returned home after finding that the quirks were out putting her
home by 520 or so if that were the case then what happened her mother didn't call police until 848 p.m. and we know
that based off of the phone records and everybody else involved in this case so what do we know about the Warners the
media covering the case revealed that kayin and Chris had been married before and there was some indication of turmoil
in at least one of their relationships the year before lyanna was born in 1998 Chris Warner and his ex-wife got into a
violent confrontation involving blows both sought Mutual restraining orders and Chris's ex maintaining that he had
an uncontrollable temper Chris's petition for a restraining order order stated that his ex-wife had threatened
kayn and her two daughters from a her previous marriage authorities looked at the situation but said that the incident
with the ex-wife quote didn't raise any red flags now we don't know how thoroughly they looked into the ex-wife
but we have I would say that raises some Flags yeah and you should look into it but again if she has a solid Alibi then
maybe that's why they moved on well and it sounds like a lot of this a lot of these issues between him and his ex by
then they may have buried the hatchet right because the the the confrontation the violent confrontation between the
two occurred in 1998 uh lyanna Warner didn't go missing until 2003 Chris Warner was a heavy equipment
mechanic at a nearby employer as well as a volunteer for the ambulance service he
shared a son Anthony Warner with with his ex-wife kin was a manager at easy stop a convenience store in Chisum there
is another weird story involving lyanna and the Warners that came out and again investigators dismissed it as amounting
to nothing but it is a little strange according to the Warners and this is the Warners telling us this story someone
reported to Social Services that lyanna had been tied up the Warners told the social worker investigating the
complaint that lyanna was playing with neighborhood kids and they had been playing mapole and had used lyanna as
the mapole while they wrapped a jump rope around her it's hard to know whether Social Services dismissed this
as a simple child's game or Child's Play or whether there was a file opened on the Warners this is one of those
situations where it's like you can understand if there was a misunderstanding but you also go okay
well it's hard to to believe that somebody would bother to report this incident if they didn't feel that there
was really something here it also seems captain that we're sitting here 18 years
later and if this was a red flag if this was something that we should really question call into question MH the
people investigating The Disappearance and and the possible suspects are are not dummies this is not something that
slips past the goalie here this is something that would be at the top of the stack as far far as information goes
on the parents and something they would have looked at and something they would have questioned both Chris and kayn
about all right so we have this issue of question some of the behavior question letting the child go off on her own I
think that's all fair game so you have to wonder could the parents have some responsibility here do they know what
happened to their daughter is one guilty and not the other all kinds of questions
immediately pop up when you see these types of cases I feel pretty confident but it's just a guess and it's just a
gut feeling that I don't see the parents having any involvement in The Disappearance of this little girl MH the
only involvement I see is people that were desperate to find her and went to every effort that they possibly could if
somebody told them that they here's something that could help your case or help you find your daughter they did it
they didn't hold back well and also with Christopher being a volunteer EMT worker
volunteer EMT worker that if there was some accident they wouldn't try to cover it up they would call call a squad and
and try to get her help immediately here's a couple things that I want to point out to people too and it doesn't
seem like the general public consider the parents to be suspects either and I think that anybody that really takes a
good hard look at this case what you're going to see is a couple things it looks
to me that Chris was gone during the time in question and an ambulance run at 6:20
p.m. that's a pretty Ironclad Alibi as far as I'm concerned there's going to be other individuals there there's going to
be documentation of this so on and so forth that's pretty straightforward to me now we can call into question kin's
decision making as a parent we can call into question the wiggle room in the timeline that the sheriff referen the
other thing too you know we're quick to point out hey eyewitnesses are not always great about giving you an exact
time on something because they're not sitting there noting everything that happened that day and noting what time
that they witnessed something right so with her having this moving time of when lyanna left her sight it could be just
that exact same situation she said that we just got back from the lake I was busy unloading the car bringing Inu
stuff that we purchased at these garage sales and the kids badgering me about wanting to go to her friend's house I
really didn't want her to go there and I told her she could go well what time was that well I don't know it
was after we got home from the lake right well that's when that's when sometimes you can arrive at the wrong
time by the encouragement of law enforcement because encour they're encouraging you because they're telling
you look I understand you weren't looking at the clock I need you to B Park this thing for me or at least give
me a guess I need something a starting point and she may have given a bad time we we're talking about a mother who's
busy the reason why I think that law enforcement did not consider them suspects and didn't consider them
suspects early on is the window of time to do something to this little girl dispose and conceal that crime takes
time and effort and I think that when they really broke down the timeline and the people that were seeing the parents
interacting with the parents and the what the eyewitness statements were that saw the little girl at 5:15 mhm did not
give a a window of time that anybody could have done anything and covered it up and we don't know what kind of
searches that law enforcement did on their vehicles and so if if you have kadaver dogs sniff the vehicles if you
run some tests on the vehicles you're going to go well we we don't believe she was transported well and nine times out
of 10 hopefully it should be 10 out of 10 this is pretty standard police protocol but if you are responding to a
call about a missing child the first thing you ask the parents of course you want to know what were they wearing when
did you last see them da da d da da but one of the first actions that you actually take Beyond asking questions of
the parents or any person uh that may have seen the child is ma'am we understand that your daughter's
missing we're going to search the neighborhood we're going to ask you know we're going to search the area we need
to search your home first and that happens in in every case that I've ever reviewed that is the first action that
seems to be taken when police are responding to that type of call and I have no reason to believe that that did
not happen here and that also could be backing the thoughts of law enforcement that these people didn't have anything
to do with it I also want to point out one big problem with the parents being guilty of anything or or or uh kin being
guilty of having done anything they weren't the kin wasn't the only person home that day remember her the daughter
the other daughter was with them for the entirety of that day she was 10 years old at that time now she's not an adult
obviously but she's also not a little kid if something bad happened she could tell us about that and the 10-year-old
daughter was active in the neighborhood search for lyanna almost immediately yeah it'd be hard to one convince her
that you have you have to lie for Mommy and two that she would be able have the capability to put on a a great acting
show for the public right and the other thing too is both kayn the daughter that
was 10 years old at the time and Chris Warner have remained active in front of the media on this case for 18 years so
this 10-year-old daughter is now an adult and she continues to do interviews about this case so it again there
doesn't seem to be time for anything to happen involving kin well two kind of creepy things and
like you said when they when they when law enforcement shows up at the scene they go hey let's search the house but
they also start asking the parents like did anything weird happen in the last month or so has there been a vehicle
that's been seen in in the neighborhood have have you seen some uh creepy character walking around one of
the things that they said was well she one night when we went into Leanne's room she was sleeping in her closet cuz
she was afraid that the monsters outside her window were going to get her yeah that's a very curious situation to this
whole story and unfortunately this happens daily where it child is afraid of something and we don't know exactly
what it is as a parent and most of the time it's almost always it's nothing here it's something we really call into
question because of the state of this case where we have a a little girl who disappears and we can't find any trace
of her but like you said a child being afraid of the monsters under her bed or monsters under a closet you hear that
more than you hear monsters outside my window right and in this situation you do have
the parents who would be later telling us that they thought that lyanna was behaving
oddly in the days or maybe even weeks leading up to her disappearance which is very interesting to me and we'll dive
into that some more but while we're still talking about the parents you know I don't want to get accused of leaving
anything out here because we do have a situation where a few months this was uh October after their daughter went
missing we do have a violent altercation between the two parents uh kayn and Chris where apparently kayin attempted
to run Chris over with their vehicle Lord Almighty they had apparently they had some kind of
disagreement earlier that day or earlier that night to which police responded to
their home home and settled the matter whatever it was at the time and then within an hour or so this argument is
now taking place in their vehicle as they're driving to which a very frustrated Chris Warner gets out of the
vehicle and says that he would be walking the rest of the way home I'm sure he probably said it in in a
different manner but uh kayn uh hit the gas pedal and and took off after him in the vehicle and he jumped out of the way
he received some scrapes maybe a couple bruises but uh what happened was kin ended up being charged with a a
misdemeanor in that case but the police have been extremely vocal about that situation saying look we spoke with the
couple before this happened and we spoke with them obviously afterwards and we have kayn who she says that the gears
got jammed up and and that she kind of lost control of the vehicle so she denies the saying that you know she
denies that she attempted to hit her husband with the vehicle regardless of what actually happened we have the
police saying this matter and lyanna's disappearance are not connected they are two completely separate matters the
couple was fighting they were arguing but they were not arguing about lyanna or anything about the
case and look I'm not going to lie to you Captain this seemed very troubling to me because what it shows is
angry impulsive behavior especially on kayn's behalf which we know that behal her own word well she's the one that if
if if she's lying if the gears didn't get stuck if she didn't lose control of the car and she did try to hit her
husband with the car that's the violence getting out of a vehicle and saying I'm
going to walk home is not a violent act at all but what we have here is we have a person who is admittedly the last
person the last family member to see lyanna so that really made me call a lot of things into
question but then I found this little tidbit here that made me feel completely different and go back to what my gut was
telling me in the beginning that kin and the family has nothing to do with this this comes from Patty wling whose son
Jacob disappeared in 1989 and when at the time when she is quoted in this article this is 2003 so
keep in mind Jacob disappeared in 1989 and by this point in the article he had never been found they didn't know what
happened to him they knew he was abducted she says in this article that she's would like to
discourage anyone from making a judgment about the Warners because of this particular incident she says quote
nobody knows what it's like to have your child missing for this long people always ask me did it bring us closer
together and I say no it's just the opposite Jerry who is her husband Jerry and I went through some very hard times
with so much anger frustration and anxiety it's absolutely the biggest test you ever go through as a couple it's a
nightmare now we know that the wetterlings have nothing to do with what happened to their son Jacob they were
victimized just like everybody else in that situation and I think that what what we have Patty
wling telling us here is very interesting to me because this is the way that I've always kind of seen these
types of situations right if in the wetterling case it was the father that decided yeah you guys
can ride your bikes down to the video store and pick up a video this was after Mom said no you can't you cannot tell me
that there are not argu arents between Mom and Dad over who's responsible who wasn't a good parent who didn't do their
job if he was in my care this would never have happened because you get sad your your heart breaks and then you get
angry those are natural feelings and I have to believe in lyanna's case something very similar
very likely happened where you get in a disagreement about this that or the other thing but your heart is broken and
you're hurting and you want somebody to lash out to and it might be easy to go you know what Mom you told her she could
walk down there why the hell would you let a 5-year-old walk down there by herself if she were with me that day
this would never have happened and you can't tell me that that woman's not going to defend her self as a mother so
I can see this playing out exactly how it did and have nothing to do with the case and not suggest that they are
guilty of anything other than being grieving parents that are hurting and heartbroken all right just to put a bow
on this here Captain regarding this situation we need to point out that Chris Warner stood by his wife telling
the media that kin was on edge and had reached a breaking point he blamed this on a Montel Williams show that the two
recently taped but it had not aired yet at this point now on the show the psychic Sylvia Brown told the Warners
that lyanna was murdered and buried in a shallow grave not far from their home Chris Warner says they
didn't know that that's what was going to happen during the taping of the show they didn't know that somebody was going
to tell them that they thought she was murdered and buried near their home remember at this point we're just months
into the case and they're still holding out hope that their daughter is alive and I think they felt like they were
blindsided by this and they said that they left the taping feeling used and upset by The Montel Williams show and
that this was was something that that created an issue between the two of the parents and it was it was just not good
I mean this was they kind of felt like we're down and you're going to kick us while we're down so I think one can see
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windows to the wall cheers everybody cheers everybody on September 15 2003 this is three
months after lyanna disappeared news reports began to surface about an interesting development a man named
Matthew James Curtis aged 24 had been questioned multiple times in connection with lyanna's case police talked to him
the day after lyanna vanished and again 4 days later questions included police asking about his whereabouts and when
lyanna was last seen Curtis lived at a house near the Warners in the neighborhood in fact just
a couple of houses down at the time that lyanna went missing according to a news
article in the Virginia MN paper police spoke with Curtis in the course of the investigation into lyanna presumably
because he was such a close neighbor whatever they learned during these interviews was enough for them to get a
warrant to search his home and when they went out to carry out this search warrant there they found Kitty porn on
his computer so Curtis was arrested charged and released on bail on September 17th Curtis was found dead of an
apparent suicide three men were practicing archery in a gravel pit area on National Forest land and found
Curtis's body this is about 8 miles from his home right he was found with a plastic bag tied over his head and the
cause of death after an autopsy was declared to be self-inflicted asphixiation the sheriff's department
said it was investigating to see whether there was any connection between the two
cases and said that Curtis had never been declared an official suspect but had never been cleared either on the day
Curtis's body was found he was out on bail and was scheduled to appear in court for that child porn charge but he
failed to appear he killed himself before the court appointment the Sheriff's Department searched the Gravel
Pit in Curtis's home twice but found no signs of lyanna what we don't know is what turned police onto Curtis in the
first place what was the basis for that search warrant well at the time that lyanna went missing there was a man that
some people say maybe was in his 30s was walking around the neighborhood uh described as
approximately 510 to 6 foot and had some kind of dark tattoo so I always wondered
there was like I said people in the area saying that there was this suspicious guy walk in the
neighborhood did they connect that back to Curtis I guess that could be a possibility but that statement from
police when they're looking for the person of that description comes it's made public after the suicide no after
they requested the search warrant for his home so what's difficult here is we know based off of what the police are
telling us that they spoke with this Curtis character the day after lyanna went missing and then again four days
later okay so some so we can just assume that something within that questioning made him go something's not right here
that's what I'm thinking Captain I agree with that something during the course of
them stepping foot into his home or standing on his front doorstep and asking him questions told them this guy
his home is of interest to us specifically in this lyanna case and that could be something as simple as
this guy seemed extremely nervous when we were asking him that day after that she was missing right or he couldn't
tell us where he was or had no alibi or he was sweating profusely or he told us something on day one and then told us
something different on day four it could really be any number of things but the thing that's crazy here is that when
they do get that search warrant they search his home they file child pornography on his computer well that
doesn't look very good especially when this dude lives just a few doors down from the Warners yeah I never like it
when there's a suicide no in the sense of we don't have answers then and my gut always goes
towards this suspect you commit suicide you're you're so DED brought about what you did you can't even live with
yourself and suicide is not a obvious sign of guilt doesn't necessarily mean that he felt guilty or or did something
to lyanna I mean really he could have killed himself for any number of reasons and he's not around to tell us why he
did so we do have the Warners lyanna's parents who say Hey you know we saw this guy around the neighborhood but never
saw uh lyanna interacting with him and we didn't personally know him I do know that police continue to look into Curtis
postmortem they did admit shamefully admitted that it would have been desirable for them to have talked to him
some more which possibly they they were going to do that after he was charged or
convicted we don't know but of course now they will never get the chance to do so we do know that the Minnesota BCA
confiscated Matthew James Curtis's truck after he killed himself and processed it
for forensic evidence of lyanna's presence to see if you know they could find any proof that she had ever been
inside his vehicle right uh this did include DNA and fingerprints and fibers and hairs they couldn't find any trace
of lyanna having ever been in that truck but we do need to point out this was after Matthew James Curtis's death which
took place in September Leanne Warner went missing the 14th of June so there would have been plenty of time for one
to clean this vehicle if one needed to do so well like I was saying to me when there's a suicide in a case you know
take like the Amy mahalic case when there's a suspect that takes their own life my gut points to that that suspect
but here is a different case because he's found because when they're investigating
this missing girl case they find this individual we don't know what led them I'm guessing like we were talking about
before when they're interviewing him he says something not correctly or maybe just acts strangely and then when they
when they do get the search warrant they find child pornography and that could be
enough for this individual to say hey look my life's not going right I maybe have this I'm a sick individual for
looking at this stuff I have these urges that I'm trying to control and and that's why he took his life so there are
types out there that have these fantasies urges whatever you want to call them desires and they never act on them
I mean we just don't know again it's a situation I'm with you Captain it's you hate the suicides one uh for any you
know you hate the suicide for a million different reasons but one of the big reasons especially in this case is is
that it creates another mystery in this case it creates one less person to talk to and in my opinion this guy in in the
humble goat garage opinion here Captain this Matthew James Curtis guy I would put him in the top three of suspects in
this case now that's going to lead us to another top three suspect and this is an
individual that I despise one one of the most hated men on the planet as far as my mind goes that's
not a nice way to talk about me this is a guy that we've spoke about several times here in the garage and I never
enjoy talking about him I'm talking about Joseph Edward Duncan III so we're going to jump ahead two years in this
case to July of 2005 now of course lyanna's case is continuing to be worked at this time but
meanwhile in cordelane Idaho investigators captured suspected murder in sex offender Joseph E Duncan he was
charged with the Abduction of 8-year-old Shasta grony and suspected of murdering
shasta's 13-year-old brother Mother boyfriend and missing 9-year-old brother Dylan now you may remember for the long
time listeners joining us here in the garage today you may recall that we covered this case in our fifth nail
episodes the fifth nail was a Blog basically an online rant written by Joseph Duncan in which he published his
rambling fantasies and dark thoughts he also talked about his love for computers
you may also recall that Duncan served time in prison for the rape of a 14-year-old Tacoma Washington boy when
Duncan was just 16 years old himself he was released in 2000 so how does Duncan's case possibly tie into lyanna's
case Chief Erikson said that Federal investigators were tracing Joseph Duncan's movements over the past few
years because of a posting on his fifth nail blog that appeared on January 4th 2004 in fact this post was the first of
the fifth nail blog Duncan wrote that learning about lyanna's case was quote the proverbial last straw that led him
to start his blog to rant about the stigma of being a convicted sex offender yeah because that's what we want to hear
about he does not mention lyanna by name and it seems that he felt the need to construct an alibi for the time that
lyanna went missing the exact words of the post were quote just found out that a 5-year-old girl went missing from
Chisum Minnesota on June 14 2003 I did not even know until today this happened so I have tried to figure out what I was
doing that day since I'm always afraid of getting accused when something like this happens end quote the post said
that Duncan wanted to be sure that he figured out his whereabouts in June of 2003 when lyanna vanished so that he
wouldn't be accused of being the one that abducted her he says he was doing this for his own safety and wrote I
figure it is just a matter of time before I am falsely accused of some crime or another well yes you will be
accused I don't know if it will be falsely in several different cases we you know Captain just to for the people
that didn't listen to the fifth nail he was convicted of all those crimes he was
accused of or thought to have done this guy has a dirt bag he's an animal he basically murdered a whole family so he
could abduct the two youngest children and he had those kids with him for a long period of time where he tormented
and tortured the kids yeah thankfully one of them was found alive and is still alive and doing well to this day all
these years years later another thing to be thankful about is they were able to tie Joseph Duncan to some other
homicides and I suspect he's probably done others that we are unaware of Duncan was not the type to admit to any
of his crimes he was the type that one he would like to play games mind games and torment and tease the police and the
public and the media and I think that was a big part of the reason why he created his blog so he could do that
from behind prison walls the other thing too is that when you did finally convict
him of something he would go out of his way to explain to the public that the victims were not so innocent themselves
that they had some blame in this and he blamed some of the victims that he killed for their own deaths which is
just completely bizarre and demonic behavior in my opinion thankfully we can sit here in the garage today and raise a
glass real high because Joseph Duncan passed away last year and I hope he enjoyed every minute of it now Chief
Ericson stated in this case that there was nothing specific tying Duncan to lyanna but did say it's very suspicious
that he brought the case up on his blog in fact if we are to believe Joseph Duncan he says that the case is what
started the whole blog to begin with blog more like clog I again Duncan's a hard guy to get to put your finger on I
don't know if he would do this as something just simply to taunt I'm never putting my finger on him police or
lyanna's family I also don't think that he's above enjoying being suspected of crimes
he didn't commit yeah it's an attention seeking device yeah you're exactly well looks like you just put your finger on
him well I'm not told you I'm not going to touch that son of a [ __ ] Duncan says
that he according to his records that he was able to figure out what he claims to
have been doing that day was watching some co-workers parachute and that he did some shopping but could not find any
receipts which makes sense he's locked up anyway Duncan did live in Fargo North Dakota and was when he was arrested on
the grony case but he was wanted on child molestation charges stemming from an incident in Detroit Lakes Minnesota
in 2004 now Fargo North Dakota is much closer to Detroit Lakes Minnesota than it is to Chisum Minnesota and in fact
much closer to Detroit Lakes than Detroit Lakes is to Chisum Minnesota if that makes sense uh Duncan was arrested
for molesting a six-year-old boy on a playground in Detroit Lakes which is about a three-hour drive from Chisum
Minnesota now I do want to point out the other crimes that he did he would have had to drive a long distance to do so so
I can't I cannot completely just go all right he he says he was doing this on that day and the distance between him
and where this disappearance took place I don't think any of that rules him out in fact there was uh one person who's
done some good Gang Busters work here an online an online sleuther that posted that a treasure hunt winner found a
treasure hunt winner log of a camping and scuba trip putting Joseph Duncan in Crosby Minnesota in August of 2003 so
this is interesting it's it's not you know it would be weeks away from The Disappearance but it puts him much
closer in proximity to Chisum Minnesota and it list jet Duncan on this treasure hunt winter log
Joseph Duncan called himself jet Duncan he won a snorkel mask and defogger in that
contest by July 21st of 2005 investigators stated publicly that they had cleared Duncan of any possible
involvement in lyanna's disappearance I have no idea how or why they reached this conclusion the best that I can
think of Captain they we know that investigators seized video footage that Duncan took the day of his coworker
skydiving so there that's not in question he he was there and witnessed these people skydiving at some point the
timestamp shows that they were diving in the afternoon the airport where the dive
took place is about a 4-Hour drive from Chisum I would like to see that exact Tim stamp I would like to interview
those people his co-workers can we determine 100% that he was where he was when that Tim stamp says could he have
altered that time stamp in any manner right those are just the the questions that I have again he's such a a horrible
and despicable person I think if he's talking about a case and he's putting himself on your radar you cannot remove
him from your radar until you need definitive proof yeah cuz this like we said this guy's a animal he's very
capable of abducting a child that would that's actually low on his list of what he's capable of you almost need the word
of God to tell you that he did not do this for for me to remove him he's MH I I'd like to move on from him now because
I I'm just sick of thinking about him if that's okay with you Captain well you're
the goat because this is going to bring us to another bad story and probably the
strangest portion of this case in my mind this this actually gives me nightmares in
2006 some more information came to life and this was not news to the family this
news is going to come from the family because they say this is actually something that they discussed with
investigators but the investigators didn't seem to agree with them that this was an interesting Avenue to investigate
the family decided at some point well you know what we're just going to tell the public about this we've told
investigators about this no you know I don't know if they have done stuff the investigator I don't
know if they did anything with this information or not they've never referenced it but the parents say that
the investigators did not seem interested in this information so now we're going to put it out to the public
and tell the world Chris and kayn Warner went on the Mory pich show this is October of
2006 and they decided that this information was worth disclosing after 3 years of it being largely ignored or
given no Credence by police lyanna they said one day came home with a case filled with Barbie dolls and clothing
for the Barbie dolls but would only tell her parents that she that she had got them from a little old lady furthermore
a week before she vanished their little daughter had packed up a suitcase and said she was going to go live with her
new family at her new family's house this was around the same time that she started sleeping in the closet telling
her father father that there were monsters outside of her window yeah to come home and see your daughter playing
with maybe a a doll right and saying somebody gave it to her okay maybe a garage sale in the
neighborhood maybe she was playing with a doll at her friend's house parents said hey just take this but when there's
a doll and there's a case filled with dolls and clothes multiple items and all she can say is it came from a little old
lady that's it's pretty creepy well yeah and let's go back to you know we referenced an online
sleuther putting up some information about uh Duncan and his possible whereabouts you know in August of
2003 there was a person a woman who posted on tapa talks website under the lyanna Warner discussion group that says
that she was about 12 years old at the time when lyanna went missing and was a sitter a regular sitter for lyanna she
tells a story that once at the park with Lianna that lyanna had told her she was
going on a trip without her parents now again this is something that somebody's posting online I can't verify that this
person was an actual babysitter for lyanna I can't verify that this story took place it does seem to line up with
some information that lyanna's parents are saying that they said in 2006 so I found that to be incredibly
interesting the thing that this really reminds me of here Captain is is a case that we've discussed here in the garage
the Asia degree case out of North Carolina this is where Asia seems to have taken off on foot in the middle of
the the night we don't know where she was going or why but she disappears we've never found
any trace of her the only thing that they found after she went missing was a strange photo of another little girl and
this photo is never been identified there's never been anybody that came forward that said oh I was that person
in the photo or I was the person that gave ASA that photo right so to me that photo will always be tied to her
disappearance and the reason possible reason for her leaving her home that night and then in this case very same
situation right it it's it seems very similar to me Captain where we have the parents telling the public you know
somebody gave our daughter all these Barby dolls and all the clothing to go with these Barbie dolls we asked her
where she got them some little old lady gave them to her we've never that was in
2006 let me check my calendar it's 2021 we've never had anybody come forward in and say I was that person
that gave her those dolls I I you know they were used to be my daughters my kid had grown up I had them laying around I
was going to throw them out or I was going to put them in a up in a garage sale I saw the little kid gave them to
her there's never been anybody come forward and say or people come forward and say oh I know who gave them to her
you know it there's no answer to this question well that's why it reminds me of the John B Ramsey case because day
John B Ramsey goes missing she is telling people that Santa Claus is coming to visit her after Christmas it's
just one of those weird stories where you're never going to get that out of your head where why is this little girl
playing with like you said it's a collection of dolls and a collection of clothes for those dolls who was this
little old lady did the little old lady even exist because these individuals that abduct children and thank God it's
such a rare crime but even these individuals that groom children or molest them or try to groom them into
some kind of Bizarro relationship they're very manipulative they're very in tune to how to trick
these kids it's much easier for them if they can get and convince the kid to go along with whatever it is that the adult
wants to do willingly rather than Kicking and Screaming it doesn't have to be a little old lady I'm I'm with you I
want to know who the little old lady is but then I also wonder could it have been a
20-some year old man or a 30-some year old man that says oh if anybody ask where you got these right you know I
don't want to have to come and take them from you if Mom and Dad or Mom finds out
that you got them from me you're going to get in trouble right just tell them that you got them from a little old lady
here's the other thing that's interesting too to me we know that both of lyanna's parents came from they were
they were married before they were married to each other if I'm an outsider and I'm viewing this situation or I have
any idea of that oh you got you got brothers and sisters that have other families well guess what little lyanna
you have another family too just like your brothers and sisters you've just not met them yet and here's a gift from
one of your family members yeah but there's also sickos that want to want to steal children and raise them as their
own they they see this precious beautiful little girl and they go I want her I want her to be mine and that's a
equally possible I think Captain you and I we stand in agreement here that these
three scenarios are of the most interest to us yeah I agree these individuals Joseph Edward Duncan who for no Rhyme or
Reason decides to discuss the case on his blog we certainly know the horror rfic acts that he is capable of right we
have the guy that lives just a couple doors down that's caught with child pornography in his home and he during
the course of questioning he goes from being a possible witness to somebody that police
have such an interest in that they get a search warrant to search his home and that's when they find the child
pornography in his house yeah and that is Matthew James Curtis and then this weird story
about lyanna having another family or going to live with her other family and receiving this gift from a quote unquote
little old lady is really bizarre stuff I think those three things to me in this
case where you have a lot of questionable behavior and and a lot of Persons of Interest and we've discussed
a lot of those those three for me sit at the top of my list as far as The Disappearance to lyanna Warner well and
don't forget about the monsters outside her window that are going to come take her away lyanna's parents Chris and kin
have moved away from the home and Chism that lyanna lived in with them they say that this decision was very hard for
them and that they were worried that she might not be able to find them should she return but it seems after 18 years
of holding on to Hope on the basis of nothing reality has prevailed they still leave the porch light on though cases
like the solving of Jacob wetterling's abduction and the three Ohio women found in Ariel Castro's basement continue to
give them hope and the fact that no trace of lyanna was found in the thorough and painstaking searches of a
WI wide radius makes part of them believe that she was taken out of the area and possibly could still be alive
most likely Chris Warner believes that she may be a victim of a black market abduction 2021 marks 18 years since
lyanna vanished the now Chism police chief believes that lyanna was abducted and investigators and law enforcement
have said the same thing within a week or so of the case they believe this is one of those rare cases
of stranger abduction they still consider this to be very much an open case but everyone is incredibly
frustrated because there seems to be nothing to go on in 2013 the national Center for missing and exploited
Children released an age progression picture of what lyanna might look like at the age of 15 and continues to issue
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LeeAnna Warner was just 5 years old when she went missing from her neighborhood in Chisholm, Minnesota back in 2003. LeeAnna was last seen walking home from a friend’s house, which was a block and a half from the Warner residence. LeeAnna went to play with a friend at 4:30pm but no one was home. LeeAnna was last seen walking on Southwest Second or Third Street, westbound between 5 and 5:15pm on June 14th, 2003. The Chisholm Police department believe that LeeAnna was the victim of a rare “Stranger Child Abduction.” At the time of her disappearance LeeAnna was 3 feet 2 inches tall, 48 lbs., and she was wearing a sleeveless dark demin dress with an attached belt, orange Hanes underwear and a flower shaped earring with a red garnet. If you have any information please call 1-800-THE-LOST (1-800-843-5678) or submit information online (CyberTip report) at www.Missingkids.org (http://www.missingkids.org/)

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Brief Summary

The episode investigates the disappearance of Lyanna Warner and profiles key suspects, including Lee Allen Woo and Matthew James Curtis.

Key points

True Crime Garage Introduction. Join Nick and the Captain as they dive into today's true crime case.
The Disappearance of Lyanna Warner. Investigators discuss potential persons of interest in the case of a missing girl.
Parental Turmoil. A violent confrontation between Lyanna's parents raises questions about their involvement.
The Troubling Incident. Kayn denies attempting to hit her husband with a vehicle, raising questions about their relationship.
Matthew James Curtis's Connection. Matthew James Curtis, a neighbor, becomes a person of interest in Lyanna's case after police find child porn on his computer.
Curtis's Mysterious Death. Curtis is found dead of an apparent suicide, raising questions about his involvement in Lyanna's disappearance.

Episode highlights

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Do you know anybody that would want to harm your family?

Question posed to parents in a missing child case.

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