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[Music] spear [Music] this beautiful college student vanished Without a Trace after a night of
partying 5 years ago her parents have repeatedly appealed for resolution where are you my sweet girl I'm I'm just
missing you so desperately the mystery of what happened to 20-year-old Laurence spear has never been solved but now
former FBI agent Brad Garrett and ABC's Brian Ross say they think they know what
may have happened Lauren was part of a wild party scene and that in some way or another drugs and students using drugs
led to her demise the Indiana University student was seen on surveillance video the night of her Disappearance in June
2011 she partied at this sports bar and met up with several male friends but they have lawyered up and aren't talking
about Lauren's fate why are they trying to keep quiet what are they hiding one theory is that Lauren was kidnapped by a
biker gang after collapsing in the street on the way to her apartment did you shoot her no I didn't shoot her you
didn't shoot her to do with her I don't even know the BR I told you that my Garrett says he does not believe she was
kidnapped he says he was given information from a source that Lauren's College friends hold the key to the
mystery he had heard she was at a party had a bad reaction to ecstasy died they panicked and moved her to the Ohio River
they're 18 19 20 years old told the last thing they want is the Bloomington Police to come in find drugs and a dead
c-ad and so we will leave somebody panicked and got rid of her waren was only 4 11 and weighed 90
lb and would have been easy prey in an intoxicated State just a few months ago the FBI dug up Farmland in Indiana but
didn't find Lauren's body Lauren's parents have given up hope that their daughter is still alive but they still
want closure what they want now is to find her body and to figure out what happened that
[Music] [Music] night tonight's case takes us to the great state of Indiana to Bloomington at
the campus of Indiana University when I think of Indiana I think of State native
John melan Camp well when I think of Indiana University or IU of course I think of bob Knight a
school with a great basketball program and tradition I'm sure they have many great academic programs there as well
but on a national level that's certainly what Indiana's more known for I do think
of party school though as well um yeah I've partied there it oh you have I have not but I've I've read you know they
they put out those list every year of the top 10 or 20 party schools and I always see Indiana hovering around the
top of that list I used to do some gigs with this group called Ordinary peoples it was like a live hip-hop band and we'd
play I think it was called uh the Bluebird in Bloomington and I think we also played killroy which will come up
in this story later so tonight we have a missing person's case and as far as the
state of Indiana goes a pretty famous case at that we are talking about The Disappearance of 20-year-old Indiana
University College student Lauren spear mhm Lauren went out for what I would call a hardcore night of getting
smashed uh sorry am I crazy to say that though Captain is that what you call it that's that's the only thing I can
phrase this at I mean there there is having a good time and living it up but then there is also taking it to another
level as well right that's what I call hanging out with Nick but but Lauren does go out with
friends stopping off at place to place but there somewhere along the way of are hopping in campus hij Jinks Lauren is
lost and almost 6 years later we are still looking for her we are left with a lot of questions about that night that
she disappeared and I think questions about her lifestyle and some questions about her friends as well Lauren was
only 20 years old but in any missing person case I think it's really important to kind of know their history
and know their background mhm so Lauren was born in 1991 her parents are Robert and Charlene spear she grew up in New
York state and in 2009 she enrolled at Indiana University when her parents Rob and
Charlene dropped Lauren off her freshman year they felt that the University campus was a safe place but Bloomington
like many college towns does have its darker side this of course coming with the the partying that goes on well it's
a part of the Big 10 conference which Ohio state is part of uh it's very it's a very clean campus mhm it's a division
one school so they're they're going to get a lot more funding as far as Sports go and that darker side usually comes
with the alcohol and the drugs that are involved in campus parties now I don't mean to pick on the state pick on
Indiana University this happens at every at almost every college and I from my experience this is very typical of the
midwestern uh bigger universities the other question that's going to come up is Lauren was only 20 years old so how
come is it for a 20-year-old to drink in a college bar I think it's pretty common
yeah my with my experience I would say it's very common did you have a college campus bar that you like to drink at uh
well I'm not a big not a big campus bar person but uh you know I did go to the Ohio State Games the football games for
like 11 years straight now if we had a big victory I would typically walk across the street and go to The Varsity
Club uh and kind of celebrate the win there with with yeah but at that point you were of age yes I was definitely of
age but there were probably some people partying on campus that were not of age well yeah a bunch of my buddies when
we're about 19 and 20 we'd be we'd hang out at Panini's South okay so big UPS to
anybody that drank at Panini sou you just got paninis in big trouble well no it's closed now probably probably
because probably why now the night that we are talking about is Thursday June 2nd
2011 this is Lauren sophomore year at this time is dating well still dating her High School boyfriend Jesse wolf who
is attending Indiana University as well yeah so it seems like one of those High School relationships where they decided
to go to the same big university yep now Lauren and Jesse hung out a lot but not
on this night Lauren had her heart set on going out she wanted to party it up get out and campus hop with some of her
friends Jesse would not be joining her he was going to stay in that night it was the NBA finals and he didn't want to
miss it that's a little funny to me not because you know staying in is is strange or anything like that but it's
funny to me because I remember staying in and watching that same game as well CU you you remember Captain earlier that
year the great King James decided he was taking his talents to South Beach so for
two weeks in June of 2011 I was a huge Dallas Mavericks fan and I sat there and watched that night that was a close game
uh throughout the whole thing but the Mavs went on to beat the Heat that night 95 to 93 to tie at the series at one
game each now let's go through the timeline of that night cuz this case has some it has some hints of maybe a little
Brian schaer to me does does it remind you of that case at all yeah I mean I think any college Camp you know any
college kid going missing on college campus kind of you know reeks of that yeah it always takes us back there so
very late on Thursday June 2nd Lauren is hanging out with her friend David Ron now David is a student as well they are
drinking and partying at her place then just after midnight they decide so this is June 3rd now at this point
technically so around 12:30 a.m. Lauren and David leave Smallwood Plaza this is an off-campus highrise where Lauren
lives the two the two of them go down the street to the apartment of another student named Jay rosenbom Lauren then
meets up with another student Cory Rossman Cory lives in the same building as Jay Cory and Lauren then decide that
they want to step out for a bit and they go to killroy sports bar this is the place that You' mentioned earlier this
is a very popular College bar surveillance footage tells us that Lauren speier arrived entering killroy
at 1:46 a.m. right now some of our older listeners are going to be thinking they
arrived at a bar at46 right this seems ludicrous well first of all Indiana bars they close at
3: okay here uh at Ohio State or just in Ohio most of the time 2:00 by by 2:30 the bar is cleared uh Indiana they close
at 3: by probably 3:30 it's cleared but the other thing is that there there was a big Trend um that I kind of missed out
on because I'm a little bit older but you're 25 your name's McLovin but it seems like you know
because I played in bars playing in the cover band normally you would start early you know about 10 o'clock and then
you're going to play till 2 but then all of a sudden this like shift happened where people would do a lot more
pregaming okay and so the bars wouldn't really start filling up till like midnight yeah after midnight yeah so it
was kind of like you know this Jersey Shore thing you know t-shirt times Cavs are here and then you know the bars
would fill up you know you wouldn't be leaving to go to the bar till midnight so this is not that uncommon well in
Columbus though at 146 at a lot of bars you're you would be lucky to even get served a drink usually by that time the
bartenders are just yelling at people to leave and you know how they just go and
start collecting drinks and you're like oh my beer is still full that's when you
just chug it so they arrive at 1:46 a.m. and I guess they have like a um try to go for kind of a beach atmosphere on the
patio area MH so they go out to this patio area and Lauren takes off her shoes and they they are not there
terribly long though according to the surveillance footage Lauren is seen exiting the bar with Corey Rosman and
they they walk to Lauren's apartment complex and can I bring up something and maybe I'm way off base here but you know
Lauren is a girl that has a boyfriend and I know that they're not hanging out that day but she is also hanging out
with three boys right I I find that a little odd um I mean it's not like I'm not
saying that you can't be F friends with girl you know boys can't be friends with
girls and stuff like that but it's just like if I would have told my girlfriend in in college hey I'm going to go hang
out with these three girls not happening I I guess I'm looking at it from Jesse's
standpoint from the boy boyfriend's standpoint I don't find it incredibly odd I wouldn't think that you I don't
think you're in the minority though I think that most people might find this a little strange I don't I think it's kind
of a campus atmosphere it's a lot of a lot of people hanging out uh constantly you know uh yeah but you'd think like it
would make a little more sense to me if she was like I'm going out for a girl's night drinking or something you're
you're staying at home watching the game I'm going to go out with my girlfriends
but she ends up going out with you know three guys mhm well when they leave the bar they head to her apartment complex
this is just about a block or so from the bar now Lauren does leave her shoes and her phone at Kilroy's bar Lauren is
seen entering the Smallwood Plaza at 2:30 a.m. and then exiting at 2:42 a.m. Lauren's apartment is on the fifth floor
of this apartment complex for whatever reason Lauren and Cory do not go to her apartment it may have been due to an
altercation mhm so the two Lauren and Cory they do actually go to the fifth floor at some point a passer by this is
Zack Oaks he sees how blitzed Lauren is and he asks if she's okay right it's unclear to me that either the
altercation with Zach takes place just before or after the two could arrive at Lauren's apartment but at some point
they run into four male students and I'm I'm not clear if Zach was one of these four male students but this is in the
hallway of her apartment complex right and apparently the four male students well they didn't seem to like what was
going on or what they may think is going on and they start saying things and Corey gets smart with them and one of
the four punches Corey in the face knocking Cory to the ground all right I just want to be clear
on this so we got Cory Rosman and we have Lauren and they're on the fifth floor of Lauren apartment building yes
and they walk past four guys yes now now they might be walking by him in the hall
way or these four guys might live on the fifth floor we're not really for sure but they don't like what they see
apparently and we see this way too many times on college campuses where you have
a guy with a very drunk female mhm and bad things can happen so I applaud them for looking after her but this causes uh
tussle yeah but who knows they they could have just been looking for trouble as well we never we don't really know
that's very true but it does cause it does cause an interaction between Corey and all you know some of these four guys
and they punch him yeah he he he I guess they're saying something to him and he mouths off to them and one of them
punches Cory in the face who right but who are we getting this story from uh that's what's tricky here to me um
because we here here's the situation right um Corey is he's pretty inebriated at this point M and maybe he's hit
awfully hard or maybe it's a combination of both but Cory reports that he is injured in an altercation at the
apartment complex but but does not remember anything of the event which which seems very strange to me okay
right but he possibly could have been knocked out right right you know a com I think it's a combination of being drunk
and being smashed in the face by by some dude okay from there after the altercation they leave the apartment
complex remember we said this is at 2:42 a.m. right and this is Lauren's complex
correct just a few minutes later at 2:48 a.m. Lauren and Cory are seen walking in
an alley this alley runs between College Avenue and Morton Street M there are security cameras mounted on nearby
apartments so we have this footage this footage shows the two exiting this alley
at 2:51 a.m. and they are walking toward an empty lot mind you the camera's also
Lauren stumbling quite a bit at this time so later on this very route that the two are taking later they would end
up finding Lauren's keys and her purse along this route mhm police did not say exactly where along this route that
these items were found but Lauren she she's falling down drunk by this time and she has fallen several times right
and we have some evidence because of the surveillance footage but one can also assume that maybe there was a struggle
mhm you know what I mean this guy has already got in a fight with uh some other individuals mhm and well
eventually Cory ends up picking her up and he carries her so now the two arrive at Cory's apartment there is someone
else there this is uh Michael Beth Michael is Cory's roommate Michael's there up late working on a
paper right sure Michael you're that's what everyone's doing at that hour you're you're U writing a paper that
sounds good for when Mom Dad read the newspaper article later that they you know they're not paying they don't quit
paying for his campus living it is possible though it is possible anyway so Corey is pretty intoxicated I mean and
just on that note I I would hang out with buddies up on Ohio State campus all the time and we'd be drinking and there
would always be one of us that wasn't really drinking I mean maybe having a couple beers with the buddies but he was
also working on a paper or working on some homework or studying pulling some last minute hardcore work there at the
the we hours of the morning right but you know you're sitting there trying to Coast them into not doing the work you
know going hey just have one more have one more just one more B put that down just one more have a cold one anyway
Cory is pretty intoxicated at this point he is stumbling when he arrives at his apartment well yeah he's stumbling but
let's just note that he if if the story is correct and we don't have any surveillance footage of him carrying
Lauren right so that is just coming from the testimony of Corey mhm so he's stumbling which is noted by the roommate
but he also was sober enough to carry her back correct correct uh he arrives at the apartment he's stumbling uh
pretty intoxicated at this point and then he pulls an awesome move and he vomits on the carpet you know way to go
Cory party Foul uh these well the these two are basically out of control wasted at this point Captain this seems like a
pretty lame twers party to me uh I've seen you know I've seen somewhere between like four and seven party fouls
committed by these two at this point along this night well I mean let's Okay am is this wrong to say that I would
assume that Corey's motives are sexual as far as like you know you just got punched in the face by some guys mhm you
now you claim that you you blacked out and you can't remember anything right but you carry this girl back to your
apartment yeah and then you get sick and I would assume that if he doesn't get sick that he's trying to make sexual
advances towards Lauren yeah and and I think you're on to something there Captain because what did we see happen
earlier they were right on the fifth floor of her apartment complex right if your whole intention is taking her home
or or getting her to a place where she can just sleep at all off well you were there you were you were steps away from
putting her in her apartment if that's what you thought you needed to do remember she had her keys still at this
point in the night when they were at her apartment complex right and well right but I think the problem is is those four
guys that stopped him I think you're right you know I mean and I think that you know like I said there's a lot
there's a problem it's a it's a serious problem on college campuses where women are getting so intoxicated and then men
are taking advantage of that mm you know and what do they say if if you're too drunk to say yes then you're too drunk
to say no okay so it's kind of that whole thing and I think that's something that people need to take a lot more
serious and I think those individuals saw something you know may look maybe they were looking for trouble anyways
and they just found this cocky Corey guy and they punched him in his face okay maybe sometimes when you're being you
know you know a cocky canoe mhm I just made that one up um get you deserve to get punched in the face right but so
that's a possibility but the other possibility is they saw something that they thought you know this drunk girl
small drunk girl is in trouble yeah and and knowing what we know now I would love to hear a definitive statement from
Corey that tells us why they chose not to go to her apartment after having been so close to there why did you not go to
the apartment why did you go to plan B and all of a sudden now you're going to Cory's place you know that right you're
going back to your own place but also it'd be interesting to hear a definitive statement from those individuals that
punch the guy in the face exactly and have those guys came forward because you know technically they could have assault
charges pressed against them MH so at by this point you know after Cory blows chunks on the carpet he decides that
he's going to go to bed and I got to tell you Captain if I'm Michael if I'm the roommate I'd be pissed at this dude
you know he comes home he pukes he goes to bed and then he leaves me with this falling down drunk person that he that
was so drunk that he had to carry her home right so Michael quote unquote doing a paper that night now is left to
deal with this drunk girl which he may or may not know that well now it sounds like Lauren catches a second wind here
maybe this is the third or fourth wind but she's she's starting to come to and she's she's up now and Michael says that
he is trying to convince Lauren to stay at that apartment to sleep over um you know just stay here this is you know
stating this is for her own safety um she doesn't need to be out stumbling falling down drunk trying to make her
way home in the dark by herself and that's possibly also Michael just not wanting to have to worry about her maybe
he doesn't know her that well but he's just like just sleep on the couch because you know when you're in college
there's plenty of times that you don't really know the person that well and they're passed out on your couch and and
people go who's that guy yeah you're like well we call him Nick well that's not me but one time I came home and
somebody was sleeping in my bed I had to drag him out of the bed and drag him to the hallway and leave him
there no no but no but you used to come hang out with us on campus and you'd pass out in bathrooms and and we always
stick pink pillow would always make you sleep with a pink pillow let's move on here so we're talking about these people
not not us people uh so I think th you know this could be a good call on Michael's part if he if he in fact is
doing what he's saying he's doing you know he probably just doesn't want to deal with you know the obvious thing
here is you have the option of walking her home but but you saw the state that she came into the apartment in you do
you really want to deal with that you know the uh the potential of carrying her home sounds ridiculous so probably a
good call on his part uh he says Lauren is not hip to the idea of staying there she keeps saying that she wants to go
back to her own apartment Michael Beth states that Lauren not only wanted to go back to her apartment but she wanted to
she wanted Michael to go with her to drink more at her place at 3 around 3:30 a.m. she wanted Michael she she was
asking Michael to walk with her back to her place and they would continue party there um around 3:30 a.m. real quick so
we know that she's drinking some kind of booze beer or liquor and they also talked about possible cocaine mhm and so
I I would assume that if she is doing cocaine I've never done cocaine myself but uh cocaine um that maybe she's just
amped up you know yeah um well we do you want to get into my thoughts right now on on the the cocaine thing yeah sure
okay because after she disappeared they do find a small amount of cocaine in her
apartment mhm now part of me has wondered I would like to know how much is that small amount of cocaine is this
something where they just found like remnants of this on a on a table or countertop you know where somebody had
been doing cocaine or was this a small bag it was a small bag okay so that would answer some question question to
me here because if in fact that was what was going on that night she may have wanted to return to her place to do the
remaining cocaine that's there um I have seen people that that are you know it'll
be 3:00 4 in the morning they're snorting stuff and and and drinking and it's it's like throwing fuel on the fire
these people can just keep going and going and if they're at a place or at a party I've been at parties where I've
seen people they're snorting stuff and then that's stuff is run out and then you will see these people at 3:00 or 4
in the morning trying to figure out a new place to go to a new party to go to where they want to just keep going like
the Energizer Bunny All Night Long well right and and a lot of people listening might be thinking geez you guys hang out
with some crazy crowds but you know we used to play in a band together and a lot of a lot of the crazy nights that
I've had have been you know after a gig hanging out with people then it was like
you could get some free beer you can get some free pot you can get get some free
Coke if you want and and the parties just kind of they go to 11 yeah well well and you know these after concert
parties or campus parties you know that we we would go to when we were in our 20s um you usually don't know everybody
there um you're usually not a part of what everybody there is a part of right um so you just kind of see these things
going on and you you take note of this well we'll get right back to Nick's drug addictions right after this quick beer
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so a night of partying on June 2nd 2011 turns into some early morning partying on the 3D uh Lauren spirit who ends up
going missing she is now back at her friend's house um and she is being left in the care of Michael Beth well and
that's because her friend Corey went on a puking rally yeah he's since gone to bed and now Michael Beth is trying to
convince Lauren to stay at their apartment to sleep it off on the couch she doesn't want to she wants to go home
she's actually asking Michael if he wants to go with her back to her place to drink some more and it's around 3:30
a.m. that Michael calls Jason rosenbom remember him from earlier he has the apartment that Lauren went to earlier in
the night at the beginning of our timeline so Michael calls Jason it sounds to me like he is trying to get
rid of Lauren um you know maybe it's late and he wants to go to bed uh but feels that he has to take care of her uh
who knows but eventually Michael takes Lauren to Jason Rosen bomb's apartment Jason lives just two doors down from
Michael in Cory's apartment right so it's not a huge inconvenience for him to walk her there correct so Michael goes
goes back to his place after taking her to Jason's Jason is trying to get Lauren
to sleep it off on his couch and then she can walk home in the morning Lauren again is having none of it Lauren
insists on returning to her place and she ends up leaving Jason's apartment Jason says that he walks her to the door
this is around 4:30 in the morning wa and look I don't want to throw Jason under the bus but again we have two
college students we have their their hormones are raging hormones right possibly possibly raging hormones and or
for the guy right I mean when I was in my early college Years I had I could say that I had raging hormones right but I
don't know that this is the situation for Jason he's kind of well I'm not throwing him under the bus but what I'm
saying is that they're it possibly could have been oh yeah stay on my couch possibly try to make some advances and
maybe she's not having any of it and she wants to leave I'm just saying that we have to throw that out there you're
exactly right so he says he walks her to the door and this again around is around
4:30 in the morning uh Lauren leaves his apartment Jason stands with the door open watching Lauren walk uh he sees her
go up 11th street according to the Bloomington Police Department apartment's timeline Jason Rosen bomb is
the last person to see Lauren alive hours later Lauren's boyfriend Jesse wolf remember he did not go out
with his girlfriend that Thursday night he stayed in well now it's the next day and Jesse is texting Lauren he he gets a
reply but it it's not from Lauren this is from someone who works at the killroy sports bar mhm she having left her phone
and shoes there and employee replied to Jesse's text Jesse then files a missing person's Report with the Bloomington
Police Department and that Friday night as Rob and Charlene are sitting down to their normal Friday dinner they get a
phone call a heart stopping phone call that shattered their world their little girl Lauren is now missing early on
police said that the chances of Foul Play were very great in this situation because their thinking is that otherwise
Lauren would have made contact with some one after she had gone missing so the police are expecting the worst right
from the get-go but then we learn a little more about the last night and the early morning activities and the goings
on with Lauren and maybe some of her friends when she was last seen so not only do Witnesses describe Lauren as
having been inebriated this is corroborated with the video footage of her stumbling Barefoot down the hallway
of her apartment building but other reports come in saying that she had used drugs at night and captain and I talked
about this a little bit earlier H we we weren't talking about the easy stuff no we're talking about some pretty hardcore
uh drugs being consumed that night there speculation of cocaine and also maybe ecstasy yeah and and the other reports
are stating cocaine and colopinto was not taken in pill form but rather chopped up and snorted now that
that that to me is like some Aussie Osborne 1985 stuff there man now we we all know about well there's no report of
her sniffing a line of ants but oh yeah pretty much everything that's right he he did that too didn't he supposedly
yeah so you know we we know about cocaine that's pretty pretty common knowledge there uh but let's discuss
Colin here for a second um I don't know if I'm sure there's probably some of our
listeners out there have taken L Ain before um it I have it's an anxiety pill um I had a situation years ago when I
worked at this very stressful job and every every Monday was a really wreck of a day like I would have to sit there and
Lead these meetings and and kind of instruct everybody as to what to do for the upcoming week but the whole time I
did these meetings this was about half of my Monday my two bosses would just kind of stand there and watch me lead
these meetings and it just I mean it really put me on edge because they're just kind of sitting there like like
Simon cow kind of just judging me the whole time and taking notes and not really saying anything and I found
myself in a situation where every Sunday the day before I was like a real grumpy
jerk face MH and I couldn't figure out what was going on but I figured out that the stress the upcoming stress of
knowing what what was going to take place on Monday was making me this horrible dude on Sundays so my doctor
and I talked about it for time and and she put me on Colin um the thing is I quit taking it cuz it it was it was a
weird ride because sometimes I would take one pill and I would only take it on Sundays and sometimes this one pill
would make me feel like I've had about five or six beers like like I mean you just take it and you swallow it down
with a little bit of water and then 20 minutes later you feel like you're intoxicated well with a you know the the
party scene has kind of changed a little bit I remember a few years back at least
the crowd that I was running with you know you might be drinking a couple beers but then people start popping
pills with those beers well like like what we were talking about on the last episode you know some of the medicine
that prescribed for a reason if you took you know had a couple beers with it it was going to send you off into Never
Never Land you know so that's kind of the purpose I mean they're not only are they you know doing you know doing be
beer doing beer drinking beer drinking liquor but on top of that possibly cocaine clopin and that and mix mixing
all that stuff with alcohol is going to send you on a crazier ride so I mean it's it's it's almost like just non-stop
you know it's like yo YOLO man yolo y you know it's just like just have a couple beers and chillax you know well
and you know me I really don't like to take anything unless I think it's absolutely necessary so I was skeptical
from the get-go but uh the thing that I also did not like about it was that I didn't I didn't have the same reaction
every time I took it sometimes I would get that very drunk feeling um and then other times it would just make me very
numb like just like my brain went numb and I went dumb you know like I just kind of just feel like I was way out of
it just zombie like felt normal but I didn't like and I don't know why I would feel one way one time
and complete opposite the other time and so I didn't trust it and I and I only probably took it for about six or seven
weeks and then I told the doctor you know we got to we got to end this and I'll just have to deal with this stress
in in a more healthy way right and back to the thing about the whole party and with it you know I had a lot of friends
that good friends of mine that could have a couple beers and they could take a pill one pill maybe and they would
just just give them overall body high and they just felt great but there was a couple times where like you said you
don't know how it's going to react how your body's going to react depending on how much sleep you got how much you ate
and they would have these bad experiences and then they'd tell me and you all everybody has those experience
where you drink so much and you say I'm never doing that again but these were like really bad experiences so the fact
that she's going from one place to another place and she's putting herself in not the safest of
conditions um I think who knows how much she was on yeah and and I want to be clear here though this kopin stuff is
not like your everyday prescribed medication this is a narcotic you know I had to get a special you know it the the
prescription looked much different that I had to take to get filled than than what other prescriptions would would
typically look like um and I'm going to kind of go to the far extreme here because I'm sure that kopin might work
for some people in some situations uh but I'm going to go to the far extreme part of of bringing up the bad the very
bad of of this pill this is from an internet article titled America's most dangerous pill kopin you can look this
up if you want to read the entire article at cchr n.org uh but I'll give you the
basic garage version of the article so kopin is a benzo daa Pine and I hope I said that right and according to this
article that no benzo has been more lethal to to millions of Americans than the popular prescribed drug called kopin
uh this was something that Stevie Nicks battled with at one point and she's been
very vocal about it um Stevie Nicks had checked herself into the Betty Ford Clinic back in 1986 to overcome a
cocaine addiction after her release the psychiatrist in question uh prescribed a
series of benzos to her first valume and then xan X and finally kopin and she battled this kopin addiction and and and
she had severe side effects to it basically trading one evil to another evil you're exactly right uh also in
1996 actress Margo Hemingway uh committed suicide by overdosing on a combination of benzo pills with
barbituates um weeks later we have Hollywood producer Don Simpson he did the uh Beverly Hills Cop uh he also died
from an unintentional benzo based overdose um kopin was one of 11 different prescription drugs all written by the
same doctor found in the body of Playboy centerfold model Anna Nicole Smith who ODed in 2007 we should throw a caveat in
there there was 11 different prescribed pills so you can't you can't really throw it all on the back of kopin there
and then this one is kind of close to your heart here Captain um thereafter we have well-known Los Angeles author David
Foster Wallace who was suffering from a profound depression when a doctor prescribed him
kopin uh he was you know found in his backyard he had he had hung himself with a leather belt that he had nailed to a
overhead Beam on his patio MH um so kopin has been DFW yep but yeah but the but now on his story though they took
him off one anti-depressant and they were trying other forms of you know anxiety medicine and stuff so it wasn't
like that they put him on kopin and that made him go crazy he was struggling with
depression for a very long time and it's really more the cause of his death is more the fact that he was on such a
archaic medicine right and then when they put him back on it after he had a basically the medicine they put him on
if he ate certain things he could have a bad reaction and when he had the bad reaction then they said let's try to get
you on something else it never found the thing that worked for him right leading
him to hang himself getting away from Hollywood in 2008 reports began to surface of soldiers returning from Iraq
with post-traumatic stress disorder who were dying in their sleep um these were victims of a psych Med cocktail of
colipan paxel and sorell uh this is an anti- psychotic that is routinely prescribed by VA hospitals so even if we
are not familiar with kopin that definitely gives us some idea of what we might be dealing with
here as far as this pill goes and the thing that really sticks out here to me is that having read the full article and
a couple of others it sounds like the experts you know the doctors scientists and chemists what have you they all seem
to agree that this pill is not something that they seem to understand very well or maybe even how everyone is going to
react to it well then here how about not prescribe it to anybody that would be that would be a good idea if we don't
understand it see this is this is the stuff that drives me freaking Bonkers man we don't really understand it but
we're going to give it to a bunch of people yeah and the the big problem I see here too is that it seems to have a
different reaction from person to person um and like I said just with with myself
I had two completely different reactions to it on different occasions so some some scary stuff it's it's I just want
to point out because it's a serious deal man it's not it's not like taking an aspirin you know and I think sometimes
when people see something in a pill pill form they think oh this can't kill me this can't this can't hurt me they they
give this to people right right but the the other problem with this and I've seen this multiple times I've seen guys
pull out pills crush them up snort them right off the table and that's not the way they're meant to be no they're not
meant to be taken that way but it's because they would they would hit the system faster or maybe even have a
harder reaction I'm not really for sure that's not my thinga those dudes are probably mixing it with alcohol I would
guess if you're snorting stuff you're they're they're drinking things usually as well right but this kind of goes to
the theory and I think we can just touch on this a little bit yeah one of the major theories is that she did OD and
that she died from the party in that took place that night yeah and so basically this report that you're
showing is this is if she did take this and we don't have any proof of this other than other than Witnesses saying
other than Witnesses that's that's our little bit of evidence but it's not like you know she's still missing so it's not
like we have a body that we could do a toxicology report and see this correct so we're just going off on that but this
is a drug that can be very lethal MH and especially lethal if you're on if you're
drinking alcohol with it yeah and adding cocaine to to this so this really leads
to you know you have to let the evidence you know lead you to something don't let
the evidence make it fit but so so the theory that she did OD you know is is a strong Theory yeah well and part of that
theory too is that Lauren may have had a drug problem um it's been pointed out that you know these drugs or or drugs
might not have just been the first time that she had done them this wasn't a one-time thing for her or you know just
a wild end of school year oh I did awesome so let's go no nutso and party and binge drink and have a long weekend
um it's been pointed out that um that she may have had a problem you know and and some point to her arrest she was
arrested in September of 2010 on charges of public intoxication and illegal consumption now I do want to point out
though we're talking about drugs and then they bring up this arrest but this arrest sounds SS to me very much like
it's just alcohol related type charges well you're right a typical charge that you're going to have on campus because
normally if you're going from bar to bar you're walking mhm and so there's a lot
of people that get you know um you know drunk in public mhm but no so that's not
that uncommon and I think the the fact that you know and who knows if her parents are listening to this but like
we we don't know if she had a problem you know just because somebody has taken drugs a handful of times does not
necessarily mean that they have a problem right there's a thing called experimentation and and I would just say
that when you're whenever you start drinking booze you know uh I didn't drink a lot in high school and it was
more like once I got to the college ages but you know I was in college at 18 so there was you know 3 years before I was
legally allowed to drink that I was I would say experimenting with alcohol mhm and through that experimentation and
still experimenting with it because there's still those times that I don't know my limits or I go past those limits
and so I you know I think to say that she had a problem I think is kind of um not responsible you know I think she was
at this the stage of experimenting it's definitely speculation it's definitely opinion based there's not a lot of
evidence on it and I and I point to this arrest as being the contrary it's it that's no you can't say that she has a
drug problem and then point to this arrest this doesn't show me you know had she had possessions of possession of
drugs or or found you know drugs in her system that would be a different situation this sounds to me like a
pretty innocent college girl doing what most college kids do uh sounds like you know partying one weekend and you got
caught you happen to be walk past the wrong officer right and you have happen to be underage and that's probably why
they took notice of her I mean she was a very small individual very petite she was 411 she was they claim about 90 lbs
i' I'd guess at this point she's probably about 100 105 because you're going to put on some weight once you're
in college and if she's drinking a bunch mhm I'd say she was probably about 100 PB uh some of the same witnesses that
told police that she was using the night of her disappearance also stated that she had been using the same or similar
drugs regularly Le up to that night but what does that mean is that for a couple
months is that for a couple weeks again with this case um we have these witness statements and we don't have names to
put to these Witnesses we also have very pretty vague statements and the thing here is that that my big caveat to
everyone and this was to myself included when I was researching this case was when they say
Witnesses well I want to name I don't just don't just lump everybody into a category of witnesses because guess what
we have three guys that are under some suspicion and well four if you include the boyfriend um so we have four guys
that are under some suspicion now if your Witnesses are those four guys I don't like you know it's tough when
Witnesses might be suspects as well because then you don't know their motive for saying certain things right right
and and so the thing is is like you know let's just talk about the ex-boyfriend for a second what I mean let's say I
mean for all we know she was doing this for let's say a month or so and maybe he
didn't really approve of it and that's possibly one of the reasons he didn't want to go hang out with her MH I mean
who knows but we and like you said that's the such a frustrating thing when you're looking up some of this stuff a
witness said well who was the damn witness right you know because that really changes the Outlook and and a lot
of times as armchair detectives I think all of us would know this when you start
diving to a case you know some cases just don't have much at all but then other ones like in this scenario we have
a bunch of witness accounts but we don't know who it's coming from so we don't even have any way that we can lean one
way or the other is this true or you don't know how much weight to put into those different statements yeah and that
makes it a lot harder to form opinions you know yeah the the the cocaine in her apartment found afterwards does present
a problem it does Point towards maybe some regular use um to certainly to me I don't believe this was her first rodo
you know I agree I agree because I I don't think you I don't know I can't it's you can't speak for everybody but
it's just hard for me to believe that maybe somebody goes from maybe a hardcore binge Drinker party person to
all of a sudden now things are going up the nose and it's different it's a different mixture of things it's not
just it doesn't seem so EXP experimental to me now speaking of the boyfriend Jesse wolf um his mother alleged that
Lauren had been had been asked to leave or I guess maybe sent home would be better way to phrase it uh there was a
summer camp that they had attended at one point and this was when they were miners and she had well she's well okay
yeah before you know before she was 18 however she was asked to leave this summer camp uh you know
again I this was she was asked to leave because of drug use now I'm a little on the fence with this again I don't know
that this points towards some kind of Hardcore drug addict uh when I hear summer camp and I hear a kid getting
sent home that like immediately screams smoking pot to me you know what I mean like I was actually going to say even
cigarette right right because you know I actually attended a it wasn't a band camp but it was it was a Arts camp for
uh musicians for painters for ballet dancers and all the all that stuff ballerinas um and the big thing was it
was like a two-e camp so anybody that like ever smoked you know was like oh well you can't have a cigarette for two
weeks but if somebody could get one from like one of the camp counselors then it's like you're meeting up with a bunch
of people to go share a cigarette in the bathroom and and if that happened like every four or five days it was like big
deal you know like you're you're one of the bad kids um but if we would have got
caught they probably would have sent us home and they might have even said for drug use summer camp just doesn't sound
to Me Like Somebody packing cocaine and bringing it with them and again I don't know anything I don't have any evidence
to point towards anything all we are hearing is what Jesse's mother is saying now well the well well at least we know
who that comment is coming from yeah because cuz there is there is some weight to the the fact that like we said
there's four guys that are major suspects that we have to really consider one being the
ex-boyfriend and to me this is drawing light away from him as a possible suspect and more putting the blame on
her and but the thing here though too Captain is again it's another very vague statement when you leave these vague
statements you allow people's imaginations to run wild and maybe people start making leaps and connecting
things that they that really have no relevance to one another you know when you hear she's asked to leave summer
camp because of drug use and then you're like well she she was they found cocaine
in her apartment well this kid's been doing cocaine for years right when really I don't think I see a situation
here of you know I'd like to know some more of the details was this just simply a group of kids standing around sharing
a sharing a joint and she happen to be the one that got caught with it in her hand at the time yeah or was she just in
the circle yeah or did did everybody get or did they find something in her in her
bag that she packed or you know it's a whole sway either way or maybe they find 500 pounds of cocaine in a
bag that's a lot of cocaine but but what I'm saying is it can go either way it go
from something pretty innocent to something something yeah she was smuggling you know she's running a whole
cartel you know and we should also talk about the initial police theories here um you know and we'll dive into each one
of these more on tomorrow's show but just just kind of to throw this out there for
something to think about um you know when we have these missing persons cases there's usually a lot of theories well
the police start off this situation by working under under just a few simple theories uh the first being the foul
play Theory uh remember they had originally said that they expected Foul Play because she had not communicated
with anyone right uh the second theory would be that the Inner Circle Theory um someone in her Inner Circle did
something bad to her um this could this could mean the boyfriend this could mean
any of those other friends that she was hanging out with that night a third theory is one that's probably common
amongst college campuses uh but this would be the somebody drugged her at the bar that that somebody would have put
something in her drink or drugged her somewhere along the night uh that she was out partying yeah very possible uh
and the fourth Theory being a possible overdose um and that persons with her or somebody
with her tried to cover up the fact that she died from an overdose and they got scared and dumped or hide hid her body
somewhere so we have four theories we have four suspects we got a lot to chew on till tomorrow we got a lot to dive
into this case is just getting started M and a quick description of Lauren of the
night that she went missing uh so everybody knows what we're looking for here Lauren speo is described as a
Caucasian female who is 4 feet 11 inches tall with a slender build she has blue eyes and blonde hair she was last seen
wearing a white tank top with a light colored shirt over top of it and black stretch pants anyone with information on
her whereabouts is asked to call the Bloomington Police Department at 812 339 4477 and for more information you can
also visit lauren.com and I hate to do it I don't want to do it but uh you have to do it I have to make a
correction I had a I have a I have a giant foot and my giant mouth cuz you know what happened when I was
researching this case MH I made this statement and I was kind of I was kind of a little pissed off and I made this
statement on on National Woman's Day right two weeks ago two weeks ago and uh and I I called Kim K's ass fat which I
mean I'm not saying I don't like looking at it but it you know it's nice ass anyways it's not small it's not a small
ass but uh I said if celebrities you know which you know you know Talent or not you know she has
power if she used her power for some good and maybe when somebody went missing if some of these celebrities
would use their power to tweet this stuff out or put a blast on Instagram or anything like that that's I said you
said that you you were that they should do this they they should and and so that's what I said and then as I'm
researching Lauren's case guess who tweeted about this case Kim Kardashian so I want to go on record by saying that
Kim Kardashian did tweet about a missing person case uh I think that's very commendable
of her yes we applaud and I applaud her and I apologize for those NE negative comments well the thing is well that's
very nice and she didn't ruin Kanye's career Kanye ruined Kanye's career but other than that I I applaud her and I I
will admit when I'm wrong and she but she tweeted about this case years ago you just happened to come across it when
you were doing your research it wasn't it wasn't like she's reacting to the captain right no but it was just she
doesn't know who the captain is it was just the fact that it's just very odd that you know we we pick a case two
weeks ago I bring up Kim Kardashian for whatever reason I don't even what a random thought I don't even remember I
you know I don't even know how she popped into my head and I brought her up I was just thinking about a celebrity
that could use their power for some some good and then two weeks later it smacks
me in the face that oh by the way you idiot if you did any research on her she has been trying to use her powers for
some good so I apologize I was wrong how does that Crow taste Captain I mean when I was reading I mean
I was reading about it and I read Kim Kardashian you know this case got Lauren's case got so popular that Kim
Kardashian even pop you know uh posted some stuff about it and I didn't believe the article I was reading and then I was
watching that 2020 on this case and they talk about it Ryan C Crest and I went a
[ __ ] the lesson here we shouldn't be so quick to judge yeah I shouldn't be so judgmental all right let's wrap this up
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Lauren Spierer /// Part 1 /// 91

Missing Person /// Lauren Spierer

Last Seen /// June 3rd, 2011 Bloomington, Indiana

Indiana University Junior

Age: 20

Blonde Hair, Blue Eyes

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Brief Summary

Lauren Spier, a college student, vanished after a night of partying; theories suggest overdose and cover-up by friends.

Key points

A Night of Partying. Lauren was seen partying with friends before her mysterious disappearance. What happened that night?
The Disappearance of Lauren Spear. Lauren Spear, a college student, vanished after a night of partying in 2011. Her case remains unsolved, leaving her family desperate for answers.
Theories of Kidnapping. One theory suggests Lauren was kidnapped by a biker gang after collapsing. Is there any truth to this?
The Last Person to See Lauren. Jason Rosenbom is identified as the last person to see Lauren alive before she goes missing.
The Heart-Stopping Phone Call. Lauren's parents receive a devastating call about their daughter's disappearance.
A Night of Partying Turns Dark. Lauren goes missing after a night of heavy partying, raising concerns about her safety.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

They panicked and moved her to the Ohio River.

A theory about what happened to Lauren after a night of partying.

5:28WatchNov 16, 2023

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