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[Music] days after Jennifer vanished around 8:15 a.m. on Thursday January 26th the
Orlando Police Department received a call from a resident at what was at the time described by many as a CD apartment
complex or like the crispy carel would call it poopy that's a real estate term this is just one mile down the road from
Jennifer's condo the apartment complex is called Huntington on the green a Huntington on the green was a straight
shot from Jennifer's condo complex down Conroy Road which turned into Americana Boulevard and then a quick left on South
Texas Avenue this brought you to the entrance of Huntington on the green this complex was in a significantly less
desirable area than Mosaic at Millennia in an area known for drugs and prostitution Joy Cassie said that Jen
would never go to this area of town the caller from Huntington on the green had seen the stories about Jennifer kessie
all over the local news and believe that her car Jennifer's car was parked in the lot
across from the Huntington on the green pool the police checked it out and sure enough it was Jennifer's black four-door
Chevy Malibu the doors were locked and it was parked front end in the in a visitor spot in the lot oh yeah you want
to lock the doors cuz it's a bad area now we have no idea who this caller was who called to report the vehicle that
they believed to be the missing girls the Orlando Police Department has never addressed the identity of this person
the car was locked and one report we've seen says that Jennifer had a coded key not one that could be copied so if
that's true whoever accessed the C did so using Jennifer's own Keys mhm the Orlando Police Department never asked
Drew for his spare key to Jennifer's car so it's not clear how they opened it apparently police had their eye on
Jennifer's boyfriend Rob as a POS possible suspect we can surmise this because he was called to the location of
the car by the police department and he was made to stand by as they Pride open the trunk this is strange to
me I've seen this in many cases to be honest with you really yeah and and this is to they want to observe the reaction
of the person who at the time is probably their Prime Suspect right but everybody reacts differently correct so
so their idea is that we found this car or somebody told us where the car was we go check it out it's Jennifer's car
our number one suspect right now is her boyfriend but this is also because they've been telling the parents and
everybody else who will listen well we think that she just had an argument with her boyfriend and she went off for a
while and she'll be back but now they're going okay well our number one suspect is the boyfriend let's take him to the
car and when we open up the trunk because we might find her there we want to see what his reaction is if
they if they open up that trunk and she is in there that's a that's breaking it down
right I think they want to see his reaction either way okay the problem with this tactic just like many other
police and detective tactics is you in a sense you're showing your hand a bit because while you want him
there to observe his reaction to whether she's in the trunk or not you're also giving up some details about the car
should you because he's there he's an observer yeah so but also you're running the risk of showing your hand to him and
if he's your number one suspect now he becomes less Cooperative lower up become less Cooperative mhm and I think the
other thing too is that you want to not just observe his reaction and this might
even be more key because as you very astutely pointed out everyone reacts differently to any given situation so
there you can't just write down oh he did this and and we find that to be guilt that's not you can't sell that to
a jury you can attempt to you don't know that they're going to buy it or not no what I think this provides you more so
is if she is in the trunk God forbid you want to equest you want to question him immediately you want him in
a state of of vulnerability when you start to question him and you might be able to get that on the scene at that
moment right rather than him being able to prepare himself be it emotionally or otherwise with a phone call that says
hey we found her car we found her body we need you to come down to the police department to answer some questions no
and now it's hey good news we just found her car it's over here can you be there
oh you can great uh perfect because we are we just found it we're getting ready to open it up and we're probably going
to need your assistance and we're probably going to have some questions yeah I'm guessing there's two detectives
so if it was me and you who would open up the trunk and who would be staring at his face I I don't I don't think that
matters they probably a team of people there not just two detectives now to everyone's relief and we know this
obviously Captain Jennifer was not in the trunk of her car police put the car on a flatbed without locking it and
removed it for processing here is what we know hold on so they they didn't process the condo but they're going to
process the car okay here's what we know was found there was one small fiber found one latent print that has no match
has been made to date a DVD player was strapped in into the back seat with the seat belt a cell phone car charger
unplugged wrapped around the gearshift a pair of expensive sunglasses that Jen wore to St Croy flip-flops Jen's broken
mail key okay now we mentioned earlier that her key ring contained her car keys contained her house keys and a mail key
this mail key was broken um and had been replaced so there was a new operating key operable key on her
keychain whatever was in the trunk this is interesting has never been disclosed or discussed by Orlando Police
Department that's curious right remember the missing briefcase her work briefcase
right some of her friends have said she may she kept it in the vehicle sometimes
overnight you know like that I think that's a pretty normal thing like if there's something that you're not so
you're not really worried about anybody taking it right and it's something that you all you are doing essentially is
lugging it schlepping it from your vehicle to your home and then back again first thing in the morning I think we
all do that sometimes there there's things that you just go I'm better off leave leaving this in my car well yeah
sometimes you need it because you want to do some work at home but most of the time you can leave it in your car used
to do that all the time had a book bag that i' take to guitar lessons with me and most of the time I didn't need it so
on top of that we have some friends saying that she likely at times would put this in the trunk of the car uhhuh
so what I find interesting about this whole thing is we have a trunk that was opened that was processed there may have
been something in it there may not have been whatever was in that trunk has never been publicly released has never
been discussed by the police department but what I'm getting at here is is one of the items that is determined to be
missing and still missing to this day is her work briefcase which could have been
in the trunk of that car I'm just simply pointing out there is a chance that for
whatever reason it's not actually missing the detectives have it the police department has it what is that uh
website you were talking about there's a Facebook page and there's also the uh website okay see so Jennifer ki.com okay
and then the Facebook page I believe it is help find Jennifer kessie Facebook page okay so the but the boyfriend is
still friends with the family right yeah yeah there's no problems there right so
I was just wondering like he would have some information of what was in that trunk and so I didn't know if they had
any information on one of those websites about what was in the trunk I'm I'm guessing he might actually not remember
though because he's probably so relieved not to find he's traumatized by the possibilities right
you know that before they bust open that trunk the other thing too is he may have
been told to stand back you know what I mean to stand to stand a little ways away and then if they open up the trunk
and find what right whatever their strategy is for having him there then you you have him approach or you're you
telling him this is what we found is this if you a detective is this a strategy you think you would use I would
use it for the purpose of not so much his reaction or or judging his reaction I would use it for the purpose of
questioning him immediately when cuz he's going to be vulnerable either way either he's innocent that he's a victim
and his his girlfriend potential love of his life was just killed right throw him
off guard and he finds out this is still days there's still hope at this time for
all of her loved ones that she is going to come back yeah no matter how she was taken or why she is gone there's a good
chance we're talking depending on how you you cut it you know we we we said that 10hour window of time she could
still only be missing technically for 48 Hours by this point right so you want to question him when he's
vulnerable and I mean vulnerable either way either he's innocent and they find her and you you're going to throw him at
questions and he may agree to be questioned and and talk with you at length or he's guilty in hiding
something and he's vulnerable of his from the stpoint of he's got something to hide and now you and him know it all
at the same time so I would use it from from that uh from that perspective all right so we don't know what was found in
the trunk and we don't know what was missing from the trunk correct and here's the other thing though too some
of these items they're not very specific on where they're found in the car so just to be clear we're not saying when
we say they say they've never said what was in the trunk or what was not we're not saying that any of these items were
not found in the trunk we just don't know we're going based off of what the police has stated regarding this vehicle
one thing that I found to be extremely interesting and this is the area where they did seem to put a lot of effort and
do their due diligence was they checked the G gas level of the car and their statement was that the level the gas
level in the vehicle was consistent with Jennifer gassing up in Fort Lauderdale and then driving to work in a COI on
Monday and then driving home from work Monday night so whatever happened in this car it did not travel a long way
unless someone put more gas in the tank they could determine that the car did not go through any tolls or toll booths
remember that Jen drove through one daily to and from work so her car did not pass through this toll or any other
tolls since she did herself at 6:15 p.m. on Monday night so what this means here
is and you and I both lean toward the side that she whatever took place whatever happened to her it happened
after she got ready for work and and so if you want to use that as your angle as your go-to then what we
can point out here is she didn't make it very if she got to her car and started driving toward work she did not get very
far because she did not pass through this toll again nor did whomever took her in the photos available of
Jennifer's car there is what appears to be some dried mud that is visible on the
lower driver's side door panel and possibly on the tires as well there was some DNA that was found now that is
about as much as we know about the DNA was found statement yeah it's it's one of those
things I understand why they have to keep so much to their chest right hold it close to the vest but I wish we knew
but what else wasn't found I would guess captain that likely this could just be something as basic and unfortunate as
touch DNA which is it does have some use but could be less this also could be you
know if they found a hair you know because one of the statements is one small Fiber Well there's chance that
there could be often this is not the case but there is a chance that there could be DNA on that hair or Fiber that
was found so what was not found was some of Jennifer stuff this being like her car keys her purse her
iPod and either cell phone hers and travis' cell phones were not found in the vehicle if anything else was found
other than the items listed above the Orlando Police Department has never made this public or addressed it one thing
that we do know though because Rob observed this remember he's near the vehicle or on the scene at the time Rob
says that Jennifer's driver seat was pushed way back further back in his opinion more so than what Jennifer would
have left it this could imply that whomever last operated the vehicle was taller than Jennifer who was listed at
5'7 Or 58 there was no evidence of any disturbance inside the car however as Joyce told CNN quote there was no sign
of trauma in the vehicle whatsoever end quote the Orlando Police Department believes that the was wiped down wiped
clean M crime scene text scoured the Huntington on the green area and picked through a trash container at one point
they are seen photographing a gym bag and some other items it is not known whether these items are even related to
Jennifer or Jennifer's case contrary to online rumors her keychain was never found there there were some reports out
there that eventually I think this was quite some time later that like a keychain and or a key fob belonging to
Jennifer was later found and that is just not true but it's pretty clear that the vehicle was processed yes everything
from the car this includes whatever was in the trunk was sent to Crime Labs operated by the FBI and the Florida
Department of Law Enforcement so how did Jen's car get to Huntington on the green Jen yeah or
Huntington on the poop Jen never activated the satellite GPS system in the vehicle this is because it cost a
monthly fee police surveyed the area to see if there were any surveillance cameras and sure enough on the roof
overlooking the pool area of this apartment complex were some ancient is like 30y old cameras which still took
shots of the pool and parking lot area this is every 2 to 3 seconds so just to be clear here this is not
like a a constant motion recording video recording this is more or less every couple of seconds snap a photo snap a
photo snap a photo this would make somewhat you know Herky jerky video when you try to watch
it later the time stamp on the surveillance cameras was off by an hour and as you and I know that it's always
off well we we discussed that and I have some I have some background in this being a Security administrator for years
at expert at a condo complex yeah the thing that that often takes place and this is usually just by smaller
operations we had a larger operation and and we were you know these were that's what she said
these were higher skill leveled positions than what you find at most areas in most areas what you have is you
have some third-party um Boy Scout looking well that's giving them too much credit
because the Boy Scouts would have been fantastic at at security work they're always prepared the but this is some
kind of Rinky Dink operation that's usually hired off some third party operation that
comes in They Don't Really Care actually called Rinky Dink security company they're not they're not invested in
caring about the actual job these are guys and women that come in there they make slightly above minimum wage they're
just there to sit in a seat and provide the Optics of actual security what takes
place then is the people in charge of these cameras regardless if they're 30 years old or 30 months old right when we
fall ahead or spring forward forward no one bothers to update the time on the cameras so when you have to go back
later and try to find something that creates another obstacle for trying to locate whatever it is that you may or
may not be uh what you believe you're looking for right so despite all of this there was some useful material found on
the footage stored in the cameras Jennifer's Malibu drove into the parking lot at Huntington on the green around
11:59 a.m. on Tuesday January 24th this is right around the time that the kessis were mobilizing for their
Drive North they they've already been made aware of something's going on they are in route to get to Jennifer's place
to see and find out what's going on the car drove front end into a parking spot with its rear facing the camera whoever
was driving stayed inside the car for 32 seconds before exiting the vehicle then
another camera captured the same person walking on the sidewalk along the fence line surrounding the pool the pool area
walking out of view never looking back this was big police had footage of the driver of the car of an abducted
Jennifer cessie surely this was going to be the break that the family and the det
Ives needed but sadly the black and white video footage does not help us find the killer or the abductor yeah the
person who walked away from the car it's been released they are estimated to be this is by the FBI
estimated to be between 5' 3 in and 5' 5 in tall whoever this person is got the luckiest of all Lucky breaks yeah when
you hear this hold on to your seats right now when you hear this you're not going to believe it despite the fact
that he or she is not in any way attempting at all to hide their face his or her face is obscured by the fence
post in every one of the shots taken by the camera yeah there's three pictures I
believe right yeah and each time and there's two thicker poles and twice person's face is blocked
by the thicker pole yeah you know how when you have a fence and you you know you got all the little but then you have
the post it's almost like this person got lucky enough that there they happened the picture was taken at an
angle and their face their what I can only only guess would be an hideous ugly face it's completely covered by the
fence post like you said the thicker portions I mean you can't get any luckier than that yeah even if you paid
somebody to try to recreate this they probably couldn't do it so Drew kessie has stated publicly that even NASA tried
to enhance these snapshots or the video but what we can see online is the best that they say they could do the only
thing that we can tell for certain from the video is that the person of interest
for that what is what he or she was declared to be by law enforcement right it's believed to be
wearing or shows wearing light colored clothing that appears white black shoes and has his or her hair in possibly a
bun or has some kind of hat on people who have seen this video usually believe that the person of interest is wearing
some kind of uniform like a painters or drywallers clothing or even maybe a lme cook yeah uniform but the Orlando Police
Department has announced that the person of interest clothing was likely darker than it appeared and was not white so
unconcluded was able to clarify that the video footage taken by that camera washed out everyone's clothing color
right this comes from Jennifer's mother Joyce so what appears to be white clothes seemingly worn by the person of
interest May in fact not be so white right shockingly even though the Orlando Police Department finally released this
video to the public after a year of keeping it under wraps releasing it only they only released the still shots taken
from the video no one has been able to identify the person who we know to have been driving Jennifer's car so just to
be clear we have those three shots that I was talking about but you're claiming that there's also actual video I can't
say that for certain because if there was video we'd be able to stop that video at different points to get get us
some kind of better look at this individual's hideous face well no because look at me Jerry the way that
the camera itself operated it's not operating every second it's not a complete consistent smooth motion uh
it's just a yeah it's just getting a little bit here and there there is a lot of debate
that there is portions of the video that has not been released and I think that's
because we are only seeing um you know some snapshots that's what came out a year into this case and so there there's
been debate on what we're not seeing look the whole purpose of releasing what they could see on there
was to identify this guy so if if there is any footage be it snapshot or otherwise that shows this individ ual's
face there's no reason to not release that you see what I mean it's not like it's not like we're there's some missing
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[Music] today all right we're back cheers mates cheers to you Captain so I want to ask
you a question when I'm looking at this like like I said I can see three different
images and that's just me Googling you can that's just me Googling um Jennifer Kess yeah so
surveillance is what I'm Googling yeah there's a bazillion places you can find the person of interest Stills is what
it's generally called here and eventually the full video or it eventually video was actually
released and we'll get into that in a little bit but really these Stills show you as much of the person as as you're
going to see at any other point right so I think especially for people that are unfamiliar with this case they probably
if they're right now listening and they don't have the opportunity to look this up probably want to know what we think
we're seeing or what we're looking at I will say this like like we already mentioned the
first thing I noticed there appears to be no the person is in no way trying to hide or conceal their face right it's
just happen stance that we can't see this individual's face and then to take that a step
further I believe that that the person has no idea or maybe does not care that they could
be seen on camera or yeah seen on camera um the other thing here too is with this fence and with this post these
this is where I have a little bit of an issue with what the statements are from the police department saying that you
know even though the the the person of interest even though their clothing may appear to be white or lighter in color
we've run some test and it tends to White out or white wash a lot of what the camera is picking up do we know if
it does anything with the darker colors because if you look at the individual shoes they're there's no detail it looks
like a shadow basically well and I think a lot of that is because of the distance
between this person and the camera mhm the where I call this into question and I'm not saying they're wrong and I'm not
saying that they're lying to us I just when I look at this I'm seeing different varying colors of of dark and light
right and I I just it doesn't make sense to me it seems to me like if it was going to whitewash or or white
out it it should be doing that to everything right or or at least in some form or fashion now I do know that they
according to their statements they came up with this by placing officers and FBI
agents and such in front of these cameras and filming them uhhuh and then looking at it afterwards and they're
like oh your maybe your brown jacket appeared to be gray or appeared to be almost white so I agree with what
they're saying where it's not reliable information what our eyes are telling us here regarding the clothing color of the
person of interest however we can clearly see a dark colored fence it it appears to me like I feel I could
confidently say this individual is wearing lighter CL colored clothing the other thing that I want to throw out
there too is I can't say this with 100% certainty but everything I'm seeing tells me that this individual is
male um again what was the height of the individual well that's the other issue they stated that the person that is in
the video is either between 5 FO 3 in tall and 5' 5 in tall yeah that's pretty small the problem with that according to
to Jennifer's father is that the family was told that several agencies different
law enforcement agencies tried to determine what the approximate height would be of the person seen in these
photos right and it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes or Albert Einstein to really try to figure this out because we
have these fence post and there's these height markers along the way if you were
to throw in the angle of the camera and so on and so forth you could get it a general sense for what the height would
be however the three different agencies came up with varying Heights each one of
them came up with something different what they later told the family was well even though we had different thoughts on
what the height of the individual could be we just decided to go with what the FBI came up with so I don't know that
that's 100% her father's on record is saying that they were told that they they were getting Heights as tall is
5'1 so I really feel like you have to go this could be 5' 3 all the way up to 5'1
I think 6 foot I think you just take all all of all of those numbers and just throw them in together and that's the
range that I believe we're looking at 5'3 to 5' 11 there's also a a big white sign which you would typically see on a
pool area anywhere don't pee in the pool well that this individual would have um it would have concealed this
individual somewhat probably not the face looking at this angle but yeah the person gets lucky I think what I'm
seeing is a short-haired male who is Tanner than the his skin tone is more tan than the shirt that he is wearing
yeah I agree he's wearing dark shoes and I don't see anything to indicate a hat some people say a hat um
I do see what I think could be a bun like a hairstyle with a bun but that that's what's often
reported yeah but I you know what I think is given the illusion of this bun hairstyle I think that it's the the
height of this individual contrasting against the fence that is is so dark in these pictures I
believe right and but I also believe that it's the first picture the first picture it looks more like a male bob
cut or something you know like a yeah you know what I mean I don't see the bun in that in that picture the only
time that I really see a bun is look I believe that's the third picture that was taken and the third picture to me I
go H that could be a bun yeah if if you had to if you had to ask me exactly what
I believe I'm seeing I believe I'm seeing a male and I a lot of this is gut feeling
Captain I don't ask me to point out hardcore evidence here what my gut tells me I'm seeing is a male who's probably
on the younger side I would put him no older than late 20s this could even be somebody that's 17 to to 28
29 his skin tone would be slightly tanner than his his the color of his shirt which again we don't know what the
color of that is well have you seen the image and I would put him at just just below to average
height see somebody took a the image and and reversed made it a negative and in the third image it
almost looks like there's something uh because where the head would be is in between like a triangle
like in the fence and it almost look on the first image on the well yeah the first image
and on the third image the the back of the head is in that little triangle not triangle in the corner of the square
yeah yeah the rectangle and but it's almost like there's something blocking it so when they made
it a negative it makes that what appears to be like a bun a man bun or right that's
what I said earlier I believe you're getting the appearance of that because of the contrast between this person's
head and the the fence itself because if you see like it it gives the appearance
and I can't tell if this looks like it's radiating from the Sun from you know that it's changing what the camera's
picking up based off of the sun and the angles in play here and what you're getting is some flashing off of that
fence which is giving the appearance that there is nothing there where this individual clearly has darker
hair making it have the appearance of a bun which it could be flush and flat there right and then that's it
definitely appears more that way when they reverse it and have a negative of the image so I think that's a very good
thing that you pointed out so yeah I for a minute I was leaning more towards female when I was looking at it
but now when you talk about the difference and and the height that could be you know anywhere from 53 to 511
possibly even 6 foot and I almost feel like it's the the walk the Gate of the personate is very long yeah yeah it just
the again I you know the motion or the Stills just feel to me like I'm seeing a a man there so we have Bridge guy from
uh Deli I guess now we have fence guy yeah from here yeah um we did say that the video was eventually released this
took place when uh Drew and Joyce kessie persuaded the Orlando Police Department
to release the video this took place in May of 2007 this was in hopes that someone would recognize the suspect as
one of the detectives on the case told CBS News quote we're hoping that somebody would come forward and say oh
yeah that's my boyfriend or that's my cousin we know that did not happen right now we have zero information about the
supposed small amount of DNA found in Jen's car in 2016 a detective said that the DNA from the car or from items found
in Jennifer's car would be sent in for retesting using new techniques it has not it's not known whether anything came
of this more recent testing once the Orlando Police Department finished processing the Chevy
Malibu they did return this vehicle to Jen's parents the car was a lease and unfortunately it was returned to the
leasing company so any new techniques for extracting evidence that they didn't find at the time or couldn't locate at
the time cannot be done since this car is gone so the thing here though Captain I feel
like is a very important question that we have to ask ourselves why did or why would the person of
interest park her car at Huntington on the green what is the motive for this movement
because when we look at this we have to or we could easily I know I shouldn't say have to but we
could easily surmise that whatever happened to Jennifer or what whatever stopped her from going about her day as
she routinely would this took place before this vehicle was placed there so potentially this was something that was
unnecessary to The Taking of Jennifer this is something added that the person of interest that's what they're calling
the Man scene in the footage right this is something extra that that he did so what do we think could be the motives
for this extra movement this extra action yeah I see what you're saying I I lean towards the idea that that she she
could have been in her car and then she was carjacked and this could have happened right outside her condo or this
could have happened on her way to work and and to me then it just makes the most sense that she's hijacked and
then and then whatever wherever they take her and then and then they return the car
because it's a lot easier to hide a body or a person than it is to hide a vehicle
right the the thing here though is under that scenario then we have to there there's a couple more ideas that would
be involved in that so one there's no sign of trauma or struggle in the vehicle itself now that doesn't mean
that somebody couldn't gain control of this young woman without there being a struggle that it's very possible but we
would have to assume that that then took place then take that a step further now
if she's not in the vehicle driving around her condo complex or immediately coming out of the condo complex very
likely the perpetrator unless they decided to look at her address on her driver's license mind you she just moved
there Less Than 3 months before might not even be updated by this point the the then driver the perpetrator would
have no idea where the vehicle came from so that would mean they're just picking
a random spot they didn't pick hunting Huntington on the green because they knew it to be different from the origin
of the vehicle that morning right what I'm pointing out here and this is not 100% your your theory is as good as any
out there until we know what happened to Jennifer kessie what I'm pointing out here is that if in fact this is an added
action and if in fact this took place meaning she was abducted from her condo on the way from her condo to
her car or as she's getting in her car right if that's what took place then this is certainly an added action that
is unnecessary to what the original motive would be the original motive would be to abduct a young attractive
woman right not to abduct a young attractive woman and move her car what it points out to me that is if in fact
this is an added action then what that means is the victim and the perpetrator have they share something in common and
what they share in common is this condo complex now we need to set up a situation a scenario where the police
and detectives can easily surmise that she might not have been abducted from her condo or from the complex's
grounds now I'm putting the vehicle in another location to give a whole different realm of possibilities
removing me or at least making me a less likely suspect because her and I the perpetrator and the victim share one
thing in common the condo complex right but I think you're a little Brazen to want to move the vehicle because it's a
it gives you another scenario where you can get caught and maybe you have some story that you can explain away why you
have the car but to me if so that would probably mean that you knew the victim better than just being acquaintances
with her right and that's where I say what is the motive for this added action because you're putting yourself
at further risk of getting caught so that must have been great enough the motive must have been great enough for
you to risk that right and truly you're right and in I'm right no one really knows for sure at the end of the day I
just wanted to point out out that I believe the proximity to the Mosaic at the Millennia and where the vehicle is found
is likely not a coincidence the two locations are just about a mile apart in a huge City and I think you and I are
agreeing here in the sense that this means something that this either means the vehicle itself is a crime scene even
if that wasn't later detected by anybody or this is to throw off the police meaning that the person of interest had
some connection to the location where the car came from the apartment the condo complex yeah look I'm a little
call to action here I'm going to post those three images their surveillance images onto our Instagram at True Crime
garage I will also toss them up on our Facebook so if you're on Facebook True Crime garage as well or you could Google
them but let us know in the blog what you think maybe somebody out there can see something that somebody else hasn't
yet yeah or or has some kind of life experience or whatever that will will play into some idea that we've not
discussed right but we're not done with this uh car yet right or the person of interest so despite initially looking
promising the car and then the surveillance video they're not really super helpful
right right in another piece of confusing evidence in this case the Orlando Police Department employed a
tracking dog named B to sniff Jennifer's car in the Huntington on the green lot and then track that
scent he walked the 1.1 miles straight back to Mosaic at Millennia instead of going through the
main gate he walked past that area through a large break in the fence which separated the development from the
public sidewalk to the bottom of the open air back stairwell that leads up to Jennifer's condo on the second
floor okay if the tracking dog is accurate then whoever drove the Malibu left it in that parking lot and then
walked back to the condos where Jennifer lived yeah it this seems to be the primarily
the reason that the the cesses Drew Joyce and Logan all believed that one or more of the workers that were working
there are responsible for what happened to Jennifer now there has been some argument that the dog here here's the
problem and I've discussed this with well there's always problems with dogs well every case you got to believe
believe it or not you got to believe the dog or not well and they can't exactly they're not telling you exact they're
they're tracking something they can't tell us exactly what it is that they are tracking so keeping that in mind many
people have pointed out well is it possible that the dog is just retracing the the movements of this vehicle all
the way back to where it came from right I understand that argument the problem I
have with that argument is that it didn't the dog didn't go through the main gate the dog essentially went
through a hole in the fence went through a a broken down portion of the fence and
then back to that's where that's how somebody would go on foot not the movements of the vehicle sobody didn't
drive that vehicle Offroad so I find it you don't know I find it to be more heavily more accurate
or more likely I should say right than that the person of interest whoever left that vehicle in that parking lot back to
the condo on foot right but if the person of interest wasn't in the car that long you would think that the dog
would have a hard time picking up that person's scent and that's what they would be following back if they only mov
the car from the condos to the apartments it's only a mile right so I I I don't know but then
you have to call in a question what is the dog tracking right because it seems again like I pointed out with the the
where the vehicle was placed and where we know it would have been at one time regardless if Jennifer moved it or the
the person of interest moved no no no no no no I I agree with you somewhat but what I'm saying is if that perpetrator
or the POS was in that car for a little bit longer then maybe there would be more of
a substantial substance for the dog to track is what I'm saying right no I know exactly what
you're saying I'm just pointing out that I think I find it too big of a coincidence that the car is found within
1.1 walking miles distance from where it started off or should have been so to me that that is too much of a
coincidence that it was moved for any other reason other than for it not to be found at the condo complex and then to
top that off the dog does not know where Jennifer kessie lives it's too much of a
coincidence that the dog then returns to the apart to the condo complex right right but okay to be clear it just the
dog doesn't go to to her door it just goes to this the parking garage where her car
came from right yeah that's well not the garage her parking spot it goes to the stairwell that led this these are the
stairs that she would have had to go to and from to get from condo to car car to
condo yeah cuz I I just wonder if it's possible that this individual didn't just go back to the condo unit to get in
a car and leave if he actually went back into her condo I can't yeah I can't see which
makes me very upset that they didn't process her condo I feel like had this this individual I mean why would the dog
stop all of a sudden there I mean the the dog traced this scent for 1.1 miles to the to the stairs or near the stairs
in that parking area right if this perpetrator went back up to her condo you think the dog would go all I think
the dog would have went all the way up there I think you're right I think that I think this individual the reason why
the dog stops there is the foot traffic scent that was created by this perpetrator ended there meaning this
individual got into his vehicle or somebody else's and left right that Captain technically is the end of the
actual known evidence all of it in this case but it is far far from over and there is so much more to
discuss all right Colonel do we have any recommended reading this week well we've
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Lost Brothers a family's decades long search by Jack eligh this is the story of a decades long ordeal one of the
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Jennifer Kessie's disappearance is examined through her car's discovery, surveillance footage, and tracking dog findings, highlighting ongoing mysteries and family impact.

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Jennifer's Car Found. Jennifer's locked car was discovered parked in a less desirable area.
The Breakthrough Footage. Police capture footage of the driver of an abducted Jennifer Kessie, raising hopes for the family.
Confusion Over Clothing Color. Debate arises over the color of the suspect's clothing seen in the video footage.

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This is just one mile down the road from Jennifer's condo.

Describing the location of the call to police.

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