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sources say the suspect in the case led the FBI to remains that are now being tested for DNA in the last 40 minutes
Patty werling texted WC Esme Murphy our hearts are broken we have no words wcco's Jennifer marle learned of these
significant developments in the last two days and she joins us now with more Jen
the man named as a suspect in Jacob wetterling's abduction LED FBI agents to where he says they'll find the missing
boy's body we have heard they have found remains this all happened in the last few days as agents pressed Danny
Heinrich for information on the nearly 27-year-old mystery sources tell me that the FBI took Hinrich out of jail at
least twice this week it's during that time that Hinrich told investigators where they'd find Jacob's body we know
Searchers have been at a site in Sterns County for several days 11-year-old Jacob wling was on his way home from Tom
Thumb with his brother and a friend on October 22nd 1989 when he was abducted by a man with a gun the attacker told
the two other boys to run and not look back or he'd shoot them Jacob was never seen again Danny Hinrich was arrested
last October at his home in anandale prosecutors charged him with several counts of child pornography and named
him as a person of interest in wetterling's kidnapping we'll have more on just how early Hinrich was looked at
in this case in a moment but again sources tell me that the man suspected of kidnapping Jacob wling has told
authorities where they'll find his body Searchers have been at that site for the
last few days Heinrich was also scheduled to be in Minneapolis federal court yesterday at 2:30 we were prepared
to be there that court hearing was cancelled early yesterday it really is a stunning development J it is all right
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as the boys rode their bikes home a man suddenly emerged from a wooded area with
a gun and he forced the boys to the ground first he told Trevor to run and not look back and then he told Aaron to
do the same when the boys did look back the man was gone and their friend and brother Jacob weathering was gone as
well without a trace now that was 1989 where we left off was 2003 where the Dan rassier was on the hot seat he had
become a big part of the investigation uh some would call a suspect he lived right by the crime yeah he talked to
police officers that night and he was a local music teacher uh well the the following year
they get another tip okay we were going through tips that were coming in and one
of those tips is what led them to believe Dan rassier could have committed this crime but that following year we
get another tip this time it's a man in his late 20s who lived in Cold Spring as
a child Cold Spring Minnesota is about 12 or so miles from St Joseph where Jacob's Hometown was and where he had
disappeared from the man's name is Jared uh and you can look it up and you can find Jared's last name but for the
majority of this investigation and for the majority of the times that he comes forward to Media uh he's simply known as
Jared will give him that respect um Jared comes forward and he says you know he has a story very similar to Jacobs
Jared was abducted the man had a gun the man threatened to kill Jared um and from
my understanding this was a bit of old news for some of the investigators whom had known about this attack the whole
time this attack yes it took place 9 months before and 12 mil away from the abduction but Jared as a boy was even
interviewed additional times after he was attacked they they started reviewing his case again and went back and
interviewed him again I believe this was about 6 weeks after Jacob was taken because the attack sounded so similar
yeah there were so many similarities mainly the verbage of the attacker was was the same Jared was abducted by a man
in a car the car had stopped to ask Jared for directions M Jared got closer to the car when the man stepped out of
the vehicle and he said I have a gun and I'm not afraid to use it get in the vehicle the man inside of his car he had
a police scanner he drove Jared to a remote I take back my comments about wanting to
get a police scanner one anymore I think bad guys are using these for for for bad
purposes yeah I'm not a bad guy I'm not going to buy one of those now so after he has the young boy in the vehicle he
drives Jared to a remote location and he sexually assaults him uh he then drives
Jared back toward the town where he had taken him from now all this time he that
he's driving him back there he keeps asking him asking Jared over and over again can you recognize me do you know
who I am would you be able to recognize me me questions like of that nature and Jared very wisely constantly he just
says no no I wouldn't be able to recognize you I don't know who you are I I don't know what you look like and it's
probably because of this that Jared was able to uh live to tell his story right he was released yeah so Jared was just
12 at the time you know roughly the same age as Jacob wling Jacob wling was 11 uh
and he and his parents would eventually move move away from Cold Spring some time after Jacob was abducted because
even though he had reported the crime to the police and his parents had reported
the crime to the police it was this is a tough thing for a kid to go through mhm
um and I don't know if it's any easier tough thing I mean I don't even know if tough is the right word well for obvious
reasons but but for the reason that I'm going to get into is there's there's other kids you know and kids can be
cruel um and he he's getting pulled out of this is after Jacob has been abducted
he's getting pulled out of class constantly to be interviewed you know no they never really said they had
announced that there was a similar attack on a boy that took place about nine months before Jacob was abducted
and but they never they didn't say who the boy was you know rightfully so but when you're getting pulled out of class
and you're seen talking to the Sheriff's Department time and time again they they
get a good idea you're that boy um and sometimes sometimes kids can pick on a a child that's a victim uh because they
don't understand uh they don't know any better to be honest with you or or or they're just or they're dumb mean kids
right they're [ __ ] you know I mean how many how many kids did you go to school with that were just super
[ __ ] well eventually Jared and his parents move away and part of that may be because of the kids part of it may be
because of the investigators um and he does kind of tell them who well I wonder too if there
was this kid has this fear of this this attacker you know he's sexually assaulted by this guy and then the
attacker is saying can you recognize me and now with this other kid going missing I wonder if there was a thought
or some maybe he was scared that this attacker was going to come back after him I think you're exactly right moving
away is a form of defense and getting your child out of there um and and especially now because the stakes have
been ra because this guy could have could have done this to somebody else and this
child is never resurfaced again um I think you're exactly right there he eventually moves away but it's in 2003
2004 that he comes forward to remind everybody you know I was attacked 9 months before and it was very apparent
to me by the questions that the investigators were asking me that my case was probably related to Jacob's
case and if if this guy assaulted me and he assaulted Jacob he probably did this
to other boys as well we might be able to get enough people to come together tell their bits and pieces of their
story that they know of and maybe we can figure out who this guy is I mean we're
talking about Jared was able to give some specific details he gave a description of the vehicle saying that
the man had a police scanner in the car and give a give somewhat of a description of the man himself yeah and
I think also having it be 14 years later I mean maybe there's there's a possibility that he's resurfacing to go
hey look if this happened to anybody else come forward now and maybe at 12 years old or 14 years old or whatever
age that this takes half if if somebody approached you when you were 12 maybe you're not likely to come forward um and
and tell the police about it but maybe 14 years later you'll go hey I had this thing happen and and I saw this guy or
this guy came up on me and told me he had a gun but I ran away yeah or maybe you had somebody that tried to grab you
but wasn't successful and you have a description of that man and the vehicle that he was in you know these little
things can matter these details can matter um in 2009 though we're talking about tips and leads here in 2009 in my
opinion we get the strangest lead in this case so far in this very lengthy case an investigation would come this
strange lead would come about in January of 2009 all the way from Milwaukee Wisconsin and we're going to and my one
of my favorite characters in this whole case now on December of the previous year a St Francis Barber he was 62 years
old his name is Vernon seats and he tells his psychiatrist that he had killed two boys back in
1958 and I want to throw this in here though I I found several accounts of what the doctor said right uh on one
occasion she says that that that Vernon seats had said he killed two boys in 1958 on another account she says that he
had said 1959 so this man tells his psychiatrist that he had killed two boys in 1958 Andor 1959 right and who is this
guy this is the guy that we talked about in part one where uh we talked about the
psychics that were coming to the wetly family and trying to get some information and saying hey give me uh
some of his clothing and maybe I can uh see something for you maybe I can give you a psychic reading he is one of those
uh guys that were claiming to be a psychic mhm yeah and he would drive it's like over 400 miles to get to uh the
wling house and and meet with Patty wling on two occasions and tell her I'm a psychic I you know I'm trying to get
some information on the abduction and by the way here's a painting that I did of
of your abducted son jaob so this we got this guy claiming to be a psychic like we said he was a barber and then he uh
admits to his doctor that he killed kids now you would start thinking well maybe
he he has to be somebody that we need to look into further on the Jacob case now
I know some people out there are thinking well what about you know doctor client privileges here you know should
this doctor be notifying the police but I and I don't know what what the law is exactly on that I'm sure there's some
legal jargon that I wouldn't understand but the psychiatrist says that the reason why she came forward was because
she he had been SE seeking her help for quite some time this was not their first
interaction this is somebody that he had been going to for a while she says months I don't know exactly how many
months but she said that the reason why she notified the police is so that they can speak with Vernon seeds because he
is ready to make a confession well before the police can get to Mr seats to interview him he actually dies of
natural causes that's very yeah and you would think that the Strang ends there but it does not uh given the information
that he may have killed two boys in 1958 or 1959 uh the police get a search warrant
to search Mr seat's home and property now keep in mind he died in his home um here's a list of the items that were
found in Vernon seat's home okay uh first off hold on I'm I'm preparing myself to be creeped out I don't know
what you're going to say and I'm going to warn you in advance this is a long list okay so don't don't get mad at me
here I'm already mad I'm always mad at you first they found newspaper articles posters and laminated photos now some of
these posters were laminated as well right and notes on some cardboard boxes uh one of one of these posters missing
persons posters that they found was of Jacob wling and it had been laminated they also found children's shoes now
keep in mind this man lived alone okay he didn't he didn't have a he didn't have a big family or or uh children
living with him they found children's shoes God one shoe was a size 2 and 1/2 the other shoe was a size three and a/2
both contained DNA and were later sent for testing they also found several books on cannibalism one of them was
titled eat Thy Neighbor uh they found a small round that is not a recommended reading by the way no no it's not um
they o found a small round bone uh you know and this was sent for testing as well they found brown patches of human
hair blonde patches of human hair black patches of human hair they found rings and necklaces which didn't seem accurate
for a man living by him himself a flesh colored candle with a catheter attached to it covered in some strange Brown
substance they found bondage straps and chains hanging from the inner Rafters of
the home handcuffs a box full of negatives this was these were later sent to be developed right pictures of
unknown children a picture of a boy holding a fish that was dated July 1959 an Illinois road map with two
locations circled on it they found a map of mstream Park this is a location that
is near Jacob's abduction they found photos paintings and drawings of children being sexually
tortured a novel that was written by burning seats named innocent rage a 38 caliber gun what was that book about I I
don't know I did that's who knows yeah I'm not going to buy that on Amazon um and they also found you know we talked
about notes and missing persons posters uh and newspaper articles about missing kids some of those kids that were that
he had a built this collection of were of Sandy beralis and she was not a child she was 20 years old sandre went uh
Missing in April of 1988 from a bowling alley uh this was in Wisconsin after telling her friends and family that she
was going there to confront a man that she was dating for cheating on her and giving her a false last name and home
address uh her car was later found in a in the parking lot of this bowling alley
abandoned she's never been found um also amongst these newspaper articles and posters was that of cor Jones uh she was
12 years old 12-year-old cor Jones was kidnapped while riding her bike in 1994 but this was by a by a known sex
offender this was a case that was was solved uh he later pled guilty to to the murder of the young girl uh obviously
that this guy has obsession with kids right and uh I mean the the shoe thing is super strange the patches of the hair
super strange and you don't have a hair collection at your house [ __ ] no man that's no uh if anybody tells you they
collect hair report them to somebody yeah one time I was at a party and this guy said I collect hair and I said I'm
[ __ ] out of there I just dropped my beer and just left no that never happened but no so obviously he's he's
into this but you know I wonder if he's using these like missing children cases and these clippings as like some sort of
like uh pornography you know I mean like you cuz you can have I mean is that technically pornography if it's like in
ridden form but maybe he like fantasizes about you know and that's why he was visiting the werling family you know to
get all these details and maybe there was some kind of sexual thing that he got off on about this well and they
found you know of the drawings we talked about they found drawings that uh were of right of torture yeah of torture or
of you know sex with children um things like that and of course the the immediate thought is that he drew them
himself um amongst the the other people that were of concern was Michael Dune he
was uh 5 years old he was abducted um from a playground in Victoria British Columbia in March of 1991 Michael was
last seen around 12:30 p.m. playing at the school playground uh as his mother Crystal was participating in a softball
tournament to which his father was a spectator you know so his parents were there as well Michael was abducted
meters from his parents but no witnesses to his disappearance and no one involved
in that has ever been identified Michael was never found or seen again and the other person of concern is Melissa brain
now she was 5 years old uh Melissa went missing from a party at her apartment complex in Virginia a groundskeeper was
later charged and convicted with her abduction uh but Melissa was never found so it's obvious here captain that Vernon
seats was not respons for some or all of these cases but it is also clear by the
items that are found in the home uh that that this is of some very big concern here yeah this is very alarming this
goes beyond the level of weird you know he was a 62y old Barber he had passed away um there were reports that Oh I
thought you said 52 before I I I may have I apologize you might misspoke uh but there were reports that there was
fresh cement which was recently poured be careful how you say that word cuz I thought you were going somewhere else
with that oh no there was there was fresh cement that was poured in his basement um and there was also fresh
dirt that looked to be have been overturned uh underneath heavy snowfall this is out in his yard um these what do
you think his house smelled like oh God and think about all the okay so this makes a lot more sense the hair sample I
wasn't putting two and two together if he's a Barber then he's but that's creepy he's cutting some kids' hair and
then he's taking it home with them mhm I bet it smelled like I bet it smelled like
U weird egg smell mixed with Pomade yeah who who knows they they they end up the police end up coming into the
house with a jackhammer later because they want to get to this fresh cement to see if there's anything underneath of it
they spent a good amount of time uh you know breaking up that cement floor and found nothing um and they
checked the yard they found nothing um and furthermore they couldn't find um you know they couldn't find any link to
him to any of these people that he had specific posters of right right um but there's a little a little more followup
to that um unfortunately this is a story that came out in 2009 and it was very hot when it came out and there's not a
whole lot of explanation for these items as we sit here now in 2017 well and then like like we said he
had that connection with the family going there telling him that he was a psychic and so it's like is this going
to uh be is this going to be the Smoking Gun that solves this jacob wling case you know obviously we know that it's not
now but but then it opens up this whole other can of worms and so what if he's talking to his doctor and saying hey I I
killed these boys I I I believe that I believe what whatever he's saying there was true unless
because and maybe he didn't kill anybody else after that I'm I'm not saying that
he didn't I'm just saying it's possibility and so I wonder if he like said okay well you know in 58 or 59 I
killed these kids but but then ever since that time maybe he's like that's not self-medication but he's like well
if I just dive into these cases and and surround myself with these other cases I'm kind of living vicariously through
these other cases and then so I'm not killing or you know not molesting or whatever he's doing it it's rare um but
there's also the possibility of some kind of mental health issue I mean obviously there's a mental health issue
but I mean to the point of where he might believe things to have happened that did not take place yeah um there is
one account um he as said he was a barber and so at his business the next door neighbor was a salon and the salon
owner told the media on several interviews that she had many interactions with Vernon seats that when
when times were slow at the barber shop he would come next door he'd have a cup of coffee and he always wanted to talk
about his life and she said you know his life sounds like a typical man as he described it was was tragic strange and
bizarre uh you know because he went into some detail with her stating that you know when I was a child when I was about
14 this would roughly be around 1958 1959 that I was abducted somebody had taken me he he was from rine Wisconsin
and he said that he was abducted there by an older man and the man had had another boy that was abducted as well
and through the course of this abduction he was sexually assaulted and he was made to kill the other boy using a gun
Jesus um he later says that that during that same abduction he witnessed the death of another boy so it's it's
unclear of him saying that he killed two boys back in 58 or 59 that if it was his
hands that did the killing or if he pulled the trigger on one of the boys forced to do so and then witnessed the
death of another the other thing too though is he doesn't really stop there he he he has told the salon owner that
um that a few years ago a man broke into my home and I killed him I shot him dead
right um so that he has had multiple homicides um whether he was forced to do them or or self-defense or what or maybe
it's all made up in his head right yeah and the thing here is the the detectives
looked into this and I don't know if these were detectives specifically involved in the Jacob werling case but I
do know that Milwaukee detectives and Wisconsin looked into it and the problem that they had with this whole scenario
was that they couldn't find any record or any any cases that were even seem somewhat related to uh Vernon seat's
stories you know they couldn't find any record of him actually being abducted they couldn't find or track any
mysterious deaths of young boys in 58 or 59 right so either he just made this up
or he he was a victim and he didn't come forward and he didn't talk about it and
because of that trauma he's been wrestling with all these demons in his in his head well his sister-in-law Susan
seats came tried to to defend him uh postmortem you know let's say uh tried to defend him saying that he was she
believed that he was abducted uh she doesn't believe that he killed anybody uh she thinks that this abduction uh may
have created some strange sexual attractions to younger people um and that it also developed some kind of
psychosis where he became obsessed with child abductions where he would follow them in the news and follow them in the
media Drive 400 miles to go talk to the victim's mother yeah uh I mean look we we've talked about this before that you
know a a kid becoming a victim of this can lead for them to become the monster mhm you know not all the time but it
does happen so he doesn't seem to have been linked to any of the people that we named here specifically but I did find
some uh some weird stuff on him you know because 1959 he would have been young you know it wasn't like he was an old
man out abducting little kids he was 14 or 15 years old now there is there was a
boy who a young boy I think I don't have the age right in front of me but I want
to say it was like five six seven in that age range that had gone missing from a campground in Mobile
Alabama um this would have taken place uh in July of that year of 1959 now remember we said that he had a a picture
of a boy holding a fish um that was dated July 1959 MH and the weird thing here is that Vernon seats had family
members I believe it was his grandparents that lived somewhat in the area so that's a strange you know we
can't connect him to some of these other people but that's a strange weird situation here yeah U I don't know that
anything came of this because and I'm believing that nothing came of this to solve any cases because they took
evidence for testing right and we've we've not heard the results so usually that means it's a negative it's you know
they're not able to link him to anything yeah and again it's one of those things
where it's like you know he had some sick thoughts going through his head and there is a part of you that would feel
bad for him if he if he was traumatized if he was sexually molested in himself then then there's a part of you that
feels bad for him because then he then he's dealing with this trauma and he never seek uh professional help and and
and maybe that's why he was talking to the doctor in the first place mhm but at that point it's a little too late um
either way I mean there there's some sick thoughts in that guy's head it's a it's a very strange story and one that
got everybody in St Joseph Minnesota in an uproar you know such a crazy you know
uh connection with this case yeah that he actually drove there spoke to the mother and Dre drew a picture this leads
us up to 2010 Captain let's go back to the gentleman coming forward that he had driven to the crime scene you know we we
said that they had always you know Dan rassier says that I saw a vehicle at the end of my
driveway turn around Dan Dan is the music teacher yep and then we we don't know who this ghost car belongs to you
know we we don't know but there's a gentleman that comes forward and states I was driving by the crime scene because
I heard the crime on on a police scanner right right and I saw the bikes I talked
to the police they didn't seem arrested so I drove home and then many years later he comes forward to remind them of
the story right and again this is where the police believe that the the vehicle that Danier claims he had seen as well
as the tire tracks are all they're all accounted for now by this guy in this vehicle that that had nothing to do with
the abduction so therefore since we don't have a Suspect with the vehicle we're going to assume that the suspect
was on foot the whole time and then that makes our number one suspect Dan yes and
this is going to be the summer of 2010 uh the Sterns County Sheriff's Department conduct an extremely
publicized search of the home and property of Robert and Rita rassier this is Dan Racer's parents he of course is
still living at home um what he say of course I me he's a music teacher you think at this point they pay them
nothing I mean how's he supposed to live anywhere the Arts in this country is going downhill um from the search that
they did they removed several truckloads of dirt as well as removing some of Dan
and his family's property from the house um at some point and I couldn't nail down a date for when this took place as
it may have not been made public but prior to the search of Dan rasier he he agreed to meet with Patty wling um and
during that meeting Dan Dan tells her I I don't know if this is at Patty's request or the investigators request or
poor Dana you know I mean this guy you know this all these like look if he's still living with his parents then
there there's something going on there right don't you agree I don't know I I initially right and maybe maybe they're
older and he's taking care of them you know but what I'm saying is that at some point that becomes the case I don't know
if that's occurring then right but it's just like here's this teacher and because he lived close to where this uh
event took place now he's the number one suspect now and and how did that affect
his social life after that in this small town and then to come back all these years later and go okay well now you're
a number one suspect yeah yeah well I I mean I have a I have a very close friend
that lives with his father and they have a very large property uh and it's too much work for one person to take care of
and this friend of mine he enjoys working the land and taking care of the place and fixing things up and
maintenance and all that stuff he enjoys that stuff he can't afford a big house or a whole bunch of Land by himself
because he has so many hobbies so many hobbies that he spends a whole lot of money on and his his father's seems very
happy to have him around they're they're like a like a team now he does mention from time to time that he's going to
move out but he's been there for forever so I don't know that that's ever going to happen a right maybe that's the case
of of Dan rasier but um but I feel bad for the guy cuz you know I mean obviously we want to save this we want
to solve this case and we have this uh you know this 11-year-old boy went missing and obviously the the Law
Enforcement wants to solve this case but man the Casual the casualties that come
through investigations sometimes are awful MH you know and and we got this guy that I mean like we're talking about
him now and he might have done some good things with his life and all we're reporting on is that he was possibly or
was a suspect in The Disappearance of this 11-year-old boy yeah um this is this is the thing though you
know he he's such a strange variable in this case and you almost wonder if he had been removed from this case if he
was if if his role never took place if this could have been solved faster uh did did did he just just his presence
alone get in the way of the investigation right was it like uh a big decoy and we talked about him uh you
know we started to touch upon that he met with Patty w wling at some point now the issue here is I said I don't know if
this was at Patty's request Dan's request or the investigator's request my guess would be the investigators and
I'll tell you why because I think Patty comes off to me and you know I don't know her personally obviously but but
all the interviews I've heard from her things that I've read that she's done she seems extremely strong a very strong
person and on top of that extremely smart and kind as well she's she comes off very authentic yeah you know she she
just seems like an amazing person to me as well and Jerry seems to share those same traits her husband now I wonder
here you know if the investigators say you know what we got this guy and we can't find nothing on him other than he
was a quarter of a mile from where your son was abducted we think he did this okay now we also think that he like you
Patty is a sensitive maybe a sensitive person and we think that if maybe if we put the two of you in a room together if
you can handle that Patty let's put the two of you in a room together and see if
he breaks because Dan says during some of his questioning you know the police called an interview he might refer to it
as questioning some might refer to it as an interrogation yeah but he says that during some of these portions of the
time that he's been questioned that they would play video clips of Jared or I'm sorry of Jacob and they would play audio
clips of Jacob and of course this is a way to try to get someone to break down you know to to to get to that person
that's inside and and get them to confess now during this interaction and during this meeting with Patty wling uh
Dan tells her where on his property that he is afraid Jacob could be buried he actually read and he heard several
accounts of this is I've actually read and heard several accounts of this um the one that has been reported more than
others was Dan had stated that because he was publicly being looked at and because his property is so large we are
talking about his property is like 25 26 Acres that's a big piece of land Dan was
afraid that the real killer could return with Jacob's remains and place the body
on the property implicating Dan as the murderer mhm and then there's a couple things one I if you hear that as law
enforcement you're thinking well this guy is just stating this crazy story to cover his ass mhm right because he did
kill this kid he he did bury the the body and he's using this as a cover up so that seems a little fishy but on the
same time and to be in Dan's shoes think about freaking out like well look we have you know almost 30 Acres MH you
know so if somebody's reading the news and and they could move a body you know and and and and dig you know dig up the
body and then bury it on my property because they know that the cops are looking at me well and they end up
searching all of those I mean he listed specific areas where he thought that maybe the killer would want to return
with the remains of Jacob and place him there right uh and he names specific places and they search all of those
places during this highly publicized search um now here's the weird thing though um this interaction between the
two of them between Dan and Patty has been reported many times but it's been reported differently depending on who
you check your sources with and some of those reports come out as if Dan was taunting or teasing The Grieving mother
of a dead child right you know that that he's playing some kind of game here right uh and then the other reports
state that he's just simply afraid that he's going to be implicated for a murder
he didn't can didn't have anything to do with right and then on top of that like
I said the the the social implications and and the career implications from him just being involved now I do want to
point out that Dan never lawyered up uh which some consider lawyer lawyering up to be a small sign of guilt he did agree
to submit to every and any test that law enforcement sought he he submitted to a
DNA test lie detector test he even did an interview while under hypnosis uh and and also he's agreed to let them search
his car uh to multiple interviews as well as a meeting with with the victim's mother well it seems like he knew that
he was innocent and that he was had some faith in the justice system that would work itself out yeah this to me looks
very much like the behavior of an innocent person but if you fear that you are being unfairly accused or harassed
by the public news media or especially law enforcement by all means man lawyer up you know lawyer up and submit to
their test as requested um so I think he did with with the exception of the lawyer I think he did
everything as helpful as he could and he tried to be very forthcoming in this investigation in May of 2014
wccv reported that around the time of Jacob's abduction there were a cluster of at least six unsolved sexual assaults
on boys that were never looked at as a possibility as being a lead in the Jacob werling case these were all taking place
about two years prior to the Abduction of Jacob and about 30 miles away in Paynesville Minnesota this took place in
1986 and 1987 there are plenty of similarities here as well uh these attacks are all on
boys ranging in age from 12 to 16 years old these are nighttime attacks in two of the cases the boys were riding
bicycles uh the attacker sometimes wore a mask mhm and here's the two of the victims from the painsville attacks as
adults um recounting the events of their attack it was quite a while since I went back
outside at nighttime I remember I was home that before dark every night for a while that
was not something I wish on anybody it was terrifying put that way the Paynesville Police Department is seeking
The public's support in apprehending a man that has been ACC costing young men in the Paynesville community so far
there have been five different incidents reported Sergeant Bill dragger Painesville Police Department said we
need help all the help we can get this article ran on the cover of the Paynesville press it's not like it was
buried on page five it ran on the cover is right here Ro P used to be right here that's s happened it's been so long
I just can't remember all the details of that night but I I remember I was on my
way home and I was coming by the the gates Eagle Park and I turned the corner down come home here and some guy just
grabbed off my bike from behind and I didn't see who it was or nothing and put his hand around my mouth and drugg me
into the bushes there and said quiet I'm going I'll kill you and he went about his doing whatever
he wanted to do to me and what could go through your head I thought I was going to die basically you know I mean some
guy does that and then you know he has a knife cuz he cut your hair I laid there
and then I ran home and told Mom and Dad and me and Dad went look for him before
we went and did anything else but didn't find nothing of course and then we contacted the
police that was the end of an era of Innocence I mean Paynesville was the type of town like any town in Minnesota
there was a 10:00 whistle and at 10:00 you went home the sergeant I think it was at the
time was requesting help from the community for these attacks on on boys and it didn't sound like they were minor
attacks I mean the I said don't look back or I'll blow your head off and so there was this threat of a gun when we
started looking into it a little bit and I started blogging about it then suddenly I get other people that are
commenting and saying you know I know another guy or that happened to me or my little brother suddenly it was just more
and more and more and so five became six and six became seven and seven became 12
and my parents were gone and my oldest brother was there to you know kind of keep an eye on us or whatever we were
like we always did hang out up town you know on it was a weekend I'm sure I was probably 10 or 15
ft ahead of them and jumped off my bike like kids do you know let it roll down plop to the ground and uh started to go
head towards the front door and we had a concrete patio out there and we had some
lawn chairs out there and I heard something bump into it since I seen somebody you know Dart across the alley
I'm like I'm not staying around so I took off running and I bumped into my brother and I said hey I think it's the
Molester run so we ran to the street light they headed that way and I looked over my shoulder and I seeing a figure
there but I couldn't see a face it was just all black from the neck up got to the street light there and we
just yelled for help and luckily one of the neighbors had their window open a little bit and they could hear us and
they said what's going on out there you guys need help we said yeah call the cops you know somebody just tried to
grab us this group they were all tight and they hung out together all the time and it was the same group of boys that
kept getting um attacked they were absolutely terrified and I don't feel that they ever had a
voice in this you know that or that they ever felt that they were taken seriously
I talked to the cop that one night and that was it no followup no detectives nothing nobody it was just it was Hush
Hush after that it was oh it's okay whatever they just kind of blew it off you know they never talked to us again
you know the cops never came around and said well do you remember anything else at least I don't remember them you know
asking me again if you know is there anything different you know now that you've had time to process
it the description I gave of the guy and I you know I said he was a chubby guy but I don't he wasn't he wasn't chubby
at all I mean the guy I seen run across alley was in good shape and could move fast I hope the Painesville victims know
that that it was not okay it never was okay and and that I hope they do get some
justice now I hope they get some answers now you heard in the clip there they're talking about uh an a mask you
know the one boy describes when he turns around and looks back he saw you know someone run across the street but
couldn't see anything from the neck up it was all black MH um now I do have a description of a mask that was used in
at least one of these attacks it's described as a homemade mask made from Candy striped indoor or maybe outdoor
carpeting uh the attacker had a low Gruff voice and he threatened most if not all of the boys stating that he had
a knife or a gun you know and we talked about verbiage with the victim of Jared and how it was similar to what the what
Trevor and Aaron heard the things said to them and said to Jacob um how the verbiage was the same in those attacks
um you know we we heard In that clip there that that this attacker had some of that same verbiage you know he was
saying things like he would blow their heads off um if they told anybody and there's also situations from these group
of boys you heard you heard the one lady talking saying that the cases once they
started pouring in it got to the number of 12 of these cases and in some of these cases they were boys that were
taken from a group of boys um and unfortunately out of these 12 victims with their 12 stories only two victims
were interviewed after Jacob's Abduction the others were not interviewed at all right which you know we'll you know
looking back on it we're going to view that as a big uh um a black eye in this investigation yeah and then one thing
that we didn't hear in the clip uh was was some more details of one of the attacks um from the Paynesville victims
a the one boy well now a man says that when he was attacked that the the man that grabbed the boy off of the bicycle
that grabbed him from behind uh he said that the man his hand rre of cigarette smoke you know this so this person
grabbed him off of his bike and and wrapped his hand around the boy's mouth so he couldn't scream and the whole time
the boy is smelling this this hand that's wreaking of cigarette smoke so there's one there's one indicator on
your suspect along with the the mask the gun the knife the same verbage and the you know the this approximate age of the
of the victims you know and another thing that he did too was um you know he he told him shut up or I will kill you
this is the boy was taking off of his bike uh he unzipped the boy's jeans and he had a knife on this attack the asent
had a knife here and he used the knife you said that you heard in the clip he said he used it to cut my hair he used
it to cut to saw some of the boy's sandy blonde hair off and took it as some kind
of like some kind of sick weird souvenir I guess right there's a lot of uh pieces of hair in this case now
real quick here we got to give some props some let's give some big props to a lady named Joy Baker um she is one of
the voices that you heard in the clip there and uh she should get some big props because she is uh the reason that
this development got brought to light um Joy Baker is a writer you can find her blog online she blogs about several
things but for quite some time she had a Blog solely for and regarding the Jacob
werling case and she you heard her say there that you know this was not Backpage news this was not on page page
five or page six when she went out cuz she suspected you know if there were two boys that were interviewed following the
Jacob wling case that there was probably more boys and she was the one that started to find these boys she went to
the went to the library started checking out the microfilm and searching through
the old newspapers and found these attacks and started reaching out to some of these victims and then these other
victims come forward and they all have very similar stories describing a very similar guy who's saying the same things
uh sh you know he's got the same weapon in most of these attacks and he's you know from time to time disguising
himself by wearing a mask and actually that that description of that mask like terrifies me you know what I mean when
you think about it's like a made a homemade mask from made from carpet you know what what is it just is it just
like a carpet Hood draped over your face with two eyeholes I I didn't see you know there's no there's no uh evidence
of this actual mask other than the victim's description yeah you know but it's very Zodiac Killer to me almost you know
it's that's what it reminds me of and and it's it's so much like you know this person we talked about are these all um
you know opportune opportunity attacks or is this something that this person is working towards or putting some thought
into and clearly in this in this particular situation he's manufacturing these masks on his own to avoid
being you know oh a man wearing a scream mask abducted me well you might be able
to trace that at some point yeah I mean to me like I said I think it's it's somebody that is doing a lot of planning
uh beforehand and then driving around trolling right and looking for opportunities those boys started coming
forward in May of 2014 now later that same year in October of 2014 marked the 25y year anniversary of the Abduction of
Jacob wling and there was still no answers it's still unsolved at this time well Patty wling sat down with CNN and
they did the following story called five questions for my child's abductor uh the
first question she wanted to ask is who are you uh she states I believe that somebody knows it's time to quit
protecting the bad guy even if it is a family member it's time to speak up for Jacob please tell me who took our son
and if you are the abductor it's time to tell you cannot feel good about this find some peace and write back mhm the
next question she asked is is Jacob still alive she says that sometimes the phone rings and there's no there's no
one there it's probably a telemarketer or a wrong number but her heart cries out Jacob are you there right I and she
states that she saves articles of kids coming home after long periods of time 3 months 9 months four months 7 10 18
years later you know she didn't want to give up hope yeah these things can happen and she states I don't know so I
hope and I pray that you got away Jacob we need you back we love you more than the flowers love the sun and the rain my
heart wants to be wants to believe that you're okay uhhuh the next question was uh what made you think you could take a
child yeah she says Jacob is so deeply loved and missed by his mom dad brother sister cousins neighbors and friends I
have read a lot about kidnappers and child molesters and I know that they are all people human beings that need help
maybe you feel bad maybe you told someone but I still live with so many questions like how could you and how
could anyone still keep this Secret After All These Years you can Free Yourself of carrying this please explain
this to me and then she would ask uh why didn't you let him go yeah she wants to
know what happened you probably had other boys that you victimized and released I think you meant to let him go
and something went terribly wrong I need to know what happened please talk to me
and this is such a tough thing that you know a mother would have to go through just even this this hypothetical
questions that she would ask in the last one being uh what was the last thing that Jacob said to you yeah she states
that Jacob had a keen sense of fairness and always stood up for people who he thought needed an ally or a friend he
probably would have befriended you too I need to hear his voice again or to hear
the last words he said if he can't speak them to me himself please tell me what he said and like I said before I mean
this is a really tough thing that a mother would have to deal with you know her 11-year-old boy goes missing and
he's been missing for so long but I think she took this opportunity to talk to CNN to you know one I mean just to
get the message out to all parents and you know protect your children know where your parent your children are do
as much as you can to protect your children let people know that these monsters are real and they are out there
and this could happen to your family I think she did it for that reason but I also think she did it for the reason of
maybe that the the killer would hear this or the abductor would hear this MH and that he would this would weigh on
his conscience and then maybe he would be able maybe he'd come forward maybe he would confess to this or confess to
somebody or maybe somebody would hear this and start connecting the dots and maybe he's had like this extreme stress
of always looking over his shoulder because of this one bad thing that he did and she's giving him an opportunity
to reach reach out to us and take this weight off your shoulders give us some closure tell us what happened turn
yourself in you won't have to live with this stress anymore even though she will
have to continue to always live with it yeah but at least you would get some closure yeah and that that to me shows
the strength of the wetterling family now and she's on the road to some form of closure and on the way to getting
some answers because in 2015 there's a man and his name is Daniel James Heinrich he's a white man in his early
50s from anandale Minnesota uh and he is named as a person of interest in the Jacob Wetland case Daniel or Dany as he
is better known uh by his friends and relatives was the subject of a child pornography investigation they had found
with him a child pornography most of this involving young boys and they also found videotapes that apparently
Heinrich had filmed himself of boys in public that the boys were unaware that they were being filmed right law
enforcement obviously got a search warrant but on those warrants see on these warrants here they have to State
what it is that they are seeking and they have to be somewhat specific about this and so a lot of times if you're
able to view these warrants it will give you some insight as to what a what law enforcement officials may actually
suspect one is guilty of so for Danny heinrich's uh search warrant M some of the items that they had listed and that
they were searching for included human remains a red t-shirt with the name wetterling on the back a red hockey
jacket with the name Jacob on the front so these are very specific items and this is of course linking him
immediately to the Jacob werland case so Dany was facing child porn charges in 2015 but after that he strikes a deal
with the prosecutor in the summer of 2016 this is after he's convicted before right yeah he's actually convicted and
he's going to spend life in in jail for the child por pornography charges well I
don't know if it was life but it was certainly a good amount of time I think it I I I maybe I'm wrong but I think it
was life so they keep they I mean also mind you that he is an older gentleman now so you yeah you know uh a 30 40e
sentence could technically be life so in the summer of 2016 this is when he he creates this deal uh with the prosecutor
and I don't know who came up with the idea of this deal um but the he ends up leading them to the
remains of Jacob wling on September 3rd 20 16 Patty says that the remains of her
son had been recovered uh but she couldn't speak further on the issue it was kind of interesting though because
you know they may they had this report that came out that they're going to you know he's he is going to tell them where
the remains are then they had law enforcement out there and they did find Rema remains now the next question was
is this of Jacob or is it somebody else and and I think the parents had to assume right when they found out that
they found remains they just had to assume and Brace themselves for that it's probably going to be Jacob yeah and
there were some details of that um confession and that agreement uh the plea bargain that they had come up with
that we can get into in a bit here but it was on September 6th that Daniel James Heinrich confessed to the
abduction sexual assault and murder of 11-year-old Jacob wling now here's the thing the whole state the
whole country you know the there wasn't too many people that didn't know about this case especially in that area and so
you're talking about of course you have a family and friends and loved ones of Jacob that have been hurting like you
wouldn't believe for so long but you also almost had a community that was in mourning as well so when the prosecutor
came to an agreement with the eventual killer there was a lot of backlash from the public stating you know how could
you give a deal to this guy right um he ends up getting a deal that would convict him of of only child pornography
charges he's not going to be charged with the murder of Jacob wling that was part of the deal um and he's only going
to receive 17 to 20 years so he could potentially get out when he's in his early 70s now right but I think it was
more important for the family to get closure well it definitely was and I think here the problem was that they had
no evidence against this guy and a lot well and a lot of to the law enforcement will actually put excuse me they'll
actually put the decision on the family hey we have this information he claims that he can lead us to Jacob uh we're
going to give him this deal is that okay with you right and that's exactly what happened now I have heard that had he
not been able to lead them to the remains there were certain stipulations of this AG right then the deal's off
yeah if you can't read lead us to the remains we're not going to believe you uh right because right then the family
gets zero closure and furthermore you know they wanted to make sure the wetterlings agreed to this deal um by
this point of course Patty and Jerry have to they just kind of have to know at this point you know um the other
thing too is that he had to confess and tell exactly what took place and what exactly happened and he stated that uh
he had parked his car uh down the road a little bit he went and he hid he had saw
the boys going to the told you I told you there was a car involved yeah he he saw the boys going to the Tom Thor thumb
store right right to rent a movie and he thought you know what I will Ambush them
on their way back and he he kind of put his car at a distance he abducted Jacob he he had Jacob in the vehicle with him
they drove to a remote location uh there he he assaulted the boy and he says he says a couple things happen that that
Jacob had asked him if he you know he said he was cold and he wanted to go home and the Danny says I can't take you
home um which which is weird to me because I had always wondered you know the the this abduction and what he did
almost sounded like a Ser a potential serial offender uh maybe serial murderer and him saying that I cannot take you
home almost tells me that that he determined when he abducted the boy that he was going to kill him right um he
then told the boy that he that Jacob needed to turn around so that Dan could take a pee and when when the boy turned
around he shot him in the back of the head um before this took place I think Jacob was getting a feeling like
something wasn't going to work out when when he told him that he couldn't take him home uh Jacob had asked uh Dan you
know what did I do wrong what what did I do wrong yeah um it's it's a heartbreaking story there's there's no
good of this I mean there there has been you know the wetterlings have been so involved in in other uh helping other
children and other families of of these type of crimes um it's it's just heartbreaking to to recount this uh
shortly after Jacob had passed away um Dany he stop calling him Danny like you know call him Dan I don't know why well
I apologize but that's what he's referred to to in the news as but it makes him sound like way more innocent
for some you know what I mean so so Dan Hinrich he he attempted to bury Jacob uh
he was unable to do so um he went and found a I guess there was Construction in the area uh he found a bobcat you
know one of those little miniature bulldozer type things and he used that to unearth some ground and he put Jacob
in there and he he buried him um at some point he was question um he was questioned in the Jacob in the
uh Jared attack um because he had a vehicle that matched the description that Jared had given the police uh he
also had a police scanner in his car um he ended up at some point he got scared and he went back to where he had buried
the child and he noticed that he didn't do didn't do a very good job because at some point there was uh the jacket was
showing was now visible and so he buried the boy one more time um and there unfortunately Jacob remained until this
case was solved late you know last year after they got the answers that they were
looking for in the Jacob werling case um it was confirmed uh Jared the other victim uh who was let go he he did say
that yes after seeing Dan Heinrich uh and hearing him talk he was able to confirm that that was the man that took
him yeah um and it's also believed and very likely if not confirmed in some cases that he was also the the attacker
or the attempted to attack other boys in that Paynesville area yeah I mean this if you and I'll post a picture online
for you guys to see his mug shots and and then later on there there's there's two shots that I'll I'll send one I
think right when he was arrested early in in 2015 and then one a couple years later or now his recent picture but he
grew out this beard and he looks a little different but either way this guy is a very
intimidating uh individual and normally I see these mug shots and stuff not super intimidated by a lot of the people
you know like you know Bundy I mean even though he's vicious doesn't you know scare me just on looks alone but but
this guy uh he he there's kind of a chill to his eyes and everything it's very uh very evil not not all always can
you see the monster on the outside the monster that's hiding on the inside with him it it's almost obvious you know um
in a sense and one of the things I I wonder if he had some trauma as a as a kid himself he he did that's another
long story um and but I don't know that he was so much a victim I've looked into
that story he may have been a victim so I don't want to put my stamp on anything
but it sounds to me like he may have been a willing participant uh in some of in some of that situation um
he see yeah it seems like a lot of times though it's like um like they they're wrestling with
something and that maybe that it won't get this far maybe it won't get to the point where you're actually abducting a
kid maybe it's not going to get to the point where you're you're assaulting the kid it's then it obviously it's not
going to lead to you uh abducting them assaulting them and then murdering them and obviously there's something either
just off or trauma or whatever but God you wish that this stuff never happened and I don't know if he planned to kill
whoever he abducted when he set out that night or once he saw the boys i' I've I've gone through his statement time and
time again and I go back and forth because you know that's like I said when he says I can't take you home well did
that mean like the Jared situation where you drive him somewhat near the home and
let him go or what if that meant uh you know what if you know what if in the other cases the boys didn't actually see
his face and what if in this case he he had the mask off for whatever reason yeah you know and and therefore because
Jacob saw his face that that he he felt that he had to kill him you know he he claims that uh he had heard a police
siren at some point and he panicked okay uh and and that's when he when he killed
him um I that could be an excuse that very likely could could be some kind of excuse um I don't know see I go back and
forth on that Captain because if you're going to panic you hear a police siren I
would assume police are near I'm not going to want to fire a loud gun either way this guy is a sick evil individual
yeah and I'd like to be like I'd like to try to be like a big better more peaceful person than what I am and I I I
don't want to be and I I almost regret hearing these words come out of my mouth but he's going to spend s to 20 years if
he gets off with good behavior yeah 17 years and no I'm not saying that it's worth it I'm not saying
it's worth that that equals that it equals out what I'm saying is I would mind if something you know
get a little prison Justice uh it happens uh yeah well hopefully that you know there there's some real Justice and
that uh they connect him in other cases and they can tack on charges I mean and and I'm glad that there's some closure
for the family but uh you know I want to see this guy spend the rest of his life
in jail yeah they do they did have some speculations some stipulations in that agreement and I don't know that they are
allowed legally to talk to him about other cases other than Jared or Jacobs um unfortunately that's that's the
situation right but that doesn't mean that they can't go back and reinvestigate these cases they know that
this monster is behind jail they have 17 years to figure it out and keep him behind bars yeah and he could have he
could have Jacob go that's the thing here he could have let Jacob go he let other people go but for whatever reason
whether he planned it or didn't plan it at some point he decided that a few years of my freedom is worth more than
the life of this child and it's I mean it's the worst of the worst right but it doesn't even matter if you if you kept
him you know if you let him go I mean anybody that sexually assaults a kid should spend their life in jail there
shouldn't be like 10 years because you ruined somebody's life or you drastically affected somebody's life
spend the rest of your life in prison thinking about what you did you stupid piece of [ __ ] you know that's the way I
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October 22, 1989 was the night of of a real life nightmare. Three young boys were returning home from a visit to their local Tom Thumb store after renting a movie. Blocks from their destination a man appears in the dark. He has the boys at gunpoint. He tells two of the boys to run into the woods. He drags the other boy away. The search for the missing boy Jacob started that night and lasted for almost 27 years. Join us as we discuss one of America's saddest and most talked about child abductions.

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Brief Summary

Danny Heinrich confesses to Jacob Wetterling's abduction and murder, leading to the discovery of his remains after decades of investigation.

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True Crime Garage Introduction. Hosts welcome listeners and introduce the case of Jacob Wetterling.
Breaking News in Jacob Wetterling Case. Sources say the suspect led the FBI to remains being tested for DNA.
Strange Lead in Jacob Wetterling Case. A barber confesses to killing two boys in 1958, raising questions about the case.
The Disappearance of Sandy Beralis. Sandy went missing in 1988 after confronting a cheating boyfriend.
Vernon Seats' Alarming Collection. Items found in Vernon Seats' home raised serious concerns about his past.
Dan Rassier's Publicized Search. The investigation into Dan Rassier's property raised suspicions in the community.

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Our hearts are broken, we have no words.

Patty Werling's reaction to the news about Jacob's remains.

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