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you miss me yes good but I had Caleb to talk about Cryptids with I know that's why I asked if you missed me because
it's like hard when you when you yeah like replaced me with somebody so wonderful you know he is pretty
wonderful I love that man but you know what you're both wonderful in your own ways thank you you know thank you so
much I know me and Drew were talking about Caleb last night and he was like I miss Caleb I was like you could probably
tell him that and he would just get on a plane or like start driving truthfully yeah truthfully I believe that
wholeheartedly that Caleb would just jump in some form of transportation and be here with them be like I'm on my way
the correct amount of hours that it would take honestly yeah um I wouldn't be able to host him right
now because my spare bedroom is literally filled to the brim with laundry and then this this weekend where
we're like oh we're gonna do that laundry like let's start it oh no we did we started too and then my wash machine
made this noise it said [Music] and we figured I think it might be yeah also don't make
me laugh too hard because I have gunkas oh you got the same thing I got I'm still in that this is gonna be pretty
funny actually because if we make each other laugh we're gonna sound like we are actively dying so I sound like I
have a disease yeah like me too if I laugh I sound like I have like just destroyed my lungs for years yeah
absolutely you know yeah well it kind of goes along with this story I feel like you need to have like a hard way about
you oh I'm like gunk in the throat crazy chain smoker laugh all right cool it just like fits for the story you gotta
be like Paulie from peaky blinders okay so it's funny that you just said PE blinders I have never watched peaky
blinders but although you should I've seen I know I should it's hard because Drew doesn't like a period piece but
it's so good like I think succession was a period because it was like a couple years ago literally yeah no peaky
blinders is so good though and he's got Killian Murphy in it like I know my BFF Kaylee and her boyfriend are obsessed
with Thomas Shelby I know her life and he is really no matter what he does he can do the worst [ __ ] ever and I'm like
I forgive him it's okay he's a good man well I'm worried about how you're gonna react to this story then because there's
actually a Tommy in this oh and he's like one of the main culprits um today we're going to talk about the Glasgow
ice cream Morse which is Bonkers like you hear ice cream and you're like oh like ice cream yum yeah love that he
doesn't love ice cream you scream we all scream for ice cream everybody does but
we're really all screaming over like this case because it's [ __ ] Bonkers and it's like I said the ice cream worse
but not like Food Network holiday or like Cake Wars I was gonna say because this sounds delightful it does it sounds
like a holiday special on the Food Network um it's anything but that essentially
we're talking arson we're talking drugs we're talking guns we're talking murder and straight up War
so not food networky not not completely no no not really it's a few little errant differences there yeah you know
what you're right but it all started with Andrew quote unquote fat boy Doyle and that was like a term of endearment
so yeah I'm not I'm not calling him that that's what his family called him and it
was like a loving term so I'm gonna stick with it it was it was a nickname it was a nickname so this is Andrew
Fatboy Doyle he took over the lucrative ice cream van Roo in glasgow's Ru Casey I believe I'm saying that right I looked
it up um and it sounded like that when I heard it to my ear but then I just realized I think I'm saying glass gal
yeah Glasgow Glasgow Glasgow yeah God so much stress I know it's hard and there's
a lot of names in this that I looked up and I like wrote my own phonetic spelling so I hope I'm doing it right I
you are just yell at me if not you will anyway I'll yell you not the internet will you no the internet will yell at me
it's fine yeah exactly well anyway so he took over the lucrative ice cream van route um and the
rookie housing estate in the early 1980s he knew that he was kind of encroaching
on the territory of established van drivers who were not going to let their roots go without a fight like many ice
cream van drivers in the late 70s and 80s Glasgow in Glasgow go [ __ ] it's throwing me off go to Glasgow there you
go but like many of those drivers he knew that there was more money to be made selling illegal Goods on ban routes
than there was in more respectable trades and he kind of hoped to get in on the action yeah from what I've read it
doesn't necessarily seem like he he didn't want to sell like drugs or anything like that because that's what
was happening on these band routes they were selling toilet paper cigarettes beer wine and drugs Contraband yeah it
was illegal to sell like you know the toilet paper and stuff like that you weren't supposed to do that yeah
um very illegal to sell drugs very he wasn't into like the whole drug thing of it he didn't want to do that but he
wanted a root of his own to sell what he wanted to say yeah so his Rivals though
We're not gonna let their territory go without a fight they were very intent on holding down their businesses they
didn't want to let newcomers in and they would stop at absolutely [ __ ] nothing
to make that clear they started attacking van drivers they started attacking customers at certain
points ooh now this war quote-unquote war would conclude in April of 1984 but it didn't end with like somebody waving
a white flag and being like you know this is true silly why don't you have this route I'll take this route yeah
Kumbaya baby no no no it literally ended with a fiery Blaze and with six members
of the doyle family being brutally brutally murdered damn all over an ice cream van holy [ __ ] yeah the Glasgow I
did that right okay yeah you got it the Glasgow ice cream Wars and the murder of
the doyle family really obviously outraged the Scottish public and they demanded that the authorities do
whatever was necessary to bring an end to this whole gang war that kind of started and at this point it was just
overrunning the streets but the police obviously wanting all this activity to end they quickly
arrested six men for the murders and as we know it's like never really good when
there's a quick arrest no like sometimes it you know you're like sometimes it work so but like but you never I never
really want to hear the word like quickly arrested yeah which sounds crazy no because I know what you mean though
because it's like whenever you hear that the public was in this outrage and everybody's freaking out and it's like
there was all this pressure [Music] chunk of suspects that they know didn't it's like I understand what might be
happening here yeah because I don't know I don't know anything about this case actually neither says brand new to me
neither did I well two of those six men were sent to prison for life for the mass murders of the doyle family and
after nearly two decades though information came to light that seriously casted doubt on the guilt of those men
and the extent to which the scrap strathclyde police and potentially even the entire Scottish legal system were
willing to go in order to make that problem go away I am so it's kind of one of those things where they were feeling
the pressure it seems like anyway they were feeling the pressure and they needed to put some amount of people in
prison but let's head back to the 70s for the sake of the story let's do it so throughout the 1970s the Scottish
government started clearing out what were known it's not a nice thing to say but what we're known back then is the
slums of Glasgow and they were relocating the residents to newly constructed high-rise uh housing Estates
like the rukasi housing estate now a lot of times the rents were kind of subsidized for low-income families that
whole deal and for the most part the housing Estates were built and managed by local
government agencies trying to solve a problem but at the same time they were sort of just adding
to it you know make sense that's usually what happens when you like dislocate and
then relocate people there's going to be some problems that go along with that because many of the poorer residents
were like I just said completely dislocated which added to the desperation and then led to an increase
of crime the new low-income homes were usually located on the outskirts of the city which meant that there wasn't easy
access to resources and even just like essential items like grocery stores and Social Services stuff like that
especially for those that didn't have a car and back then not everybody was tooting along in a brand new West no you
know now the government at the time couldn't really get together a sustainable solution I know that's like so crazy to
think about yeah that's wild yeah so people took it upon themselves because they really had no other option and this
is when informal businesses and services like the ice cream vans in Glasgow were
Casey's estate came into play so the ice cream Vans were said to have sold everything quote from fish to cigarettes
and they were really like quote unquote General stores on Wheels I love that it's really cool to think about it is
kind of cool because there weren't local markets or even bus lines in these areas
yeah so this is just rolling General Stores exactly the ice cream bands became lifelines to the residents in
these Estates if they needed to get stuff now at first the ice cream bands were pretty much how they are here in
America like today they were just Vans filled with all kinds of treats rolling around the little areas in town playing
music selling said treats but the summer season in the UK is one pretty short and two pretty
unpredictable so when it wasn't chilly and rainy people weren't necessarily looking for ice cream but they were
looking for snacks and daily use items and from time to time some drugs yeah just time to you know think Uber Eats or
doordash before it's time but uh with less big business ties there you go the people driving these Vans weren't going
through background checks they weren't having to like provide a license not really you could pretty much just get a
van get into it and start your own business it was like a startup yeah after you got your van you'd have to set
up some kind of um like buying some kind of stock from a local distributor or a dealer if that was part of your business
model and you were ready to go but for those that couldn't afford to buy a van outright they could actually lease a van
either weekly or monthly oh okay there was like organizations where you could go to this was far less excuse me far
more common because as I've made it clear these areas were not like flushed with cash sorry John ralphia don't want
to take your flow sorry but in this model the leasing firm was responsible for the maintenance of the van getting
it insured and any other fees that were associated with operating it and the driver had to cover the cost of gas and
the stock of his or her products because uh back then like women were driving these Vans too yeah now the trade-off
with this way of doing it was that the driver was paid about 50 or 60 pounds a week and the rest of the profits went to
the leasing company so that's how they made their yeah it didn't bring in as much money for the drivers as it did for
drivers who could buy their own van but it was more affordable and there was still a profit to be made for drivers
that could find and keep a good route but that was kind of the Crux of the issue finding the route was one thing
that was like Lucky in and of itself but then keeping the route was even more and
this is when the territory stuff probably comes into play yeah exactly now because unemployment rates were
really really high right after the end of World War II and there wasn't as much opportunity for formal employment the
competition for Van Roots Began instantly according to Douglas Skelton who co-authored the book Frighteners
with a fellow journalist Lisa brownleigh I believe is how you say it back in those days quote the dirty tricks had
been limited to school boyish acts like squirting windscreens with the raspberry
liquid used to flavor the vanilla ice cream and double stopping now double stopping was when one driver
followed a rival driver to their route and like cut ahead of them to steal their business
wow yeah so it was pretty this is like that's like little kid [ __ ] it was pretty innocent when it first started
like just squirting raspberry [ __ ] on the windshield that's like funny yeah exactly annoying but funny yeah you know
turn your windshield wipers on yeah yeah it was when it got like later into things that uh it wasn't really just
like raspberry coming out your windshield it was like sledgehammers oh okay literally that's different a little
bit that hits a little that literally hits a little different quite literally like quite literally raspberry liquid
versus to the face one is just turning on your windshield wiper maybe getting some new windshield wiper fluid because
you used a little bit too much yeah the other one is getting an entirely new windshield so and face and face you're
right you know that yep yeah and maybe like a leg surgery appointment yeah that would hurt yeah damn they were like a
bunch of shade queens that escalated so quickly it did so by the late 1970s when
unemployment in glasgow's Northeast Estates like rukasi was between 40 and 50 percent a legit ice cream van
operator could make upwards of 200 Euros I think it's euros yeah per week selling
ice cream wow and as much as 800 a week wow all right so this is like a desirable oh yeah if you can make it you
could make it right and the people that were making closer to like 800 a week that was quote if the operator was
willing to sell stolen cigarettes sweets and soft drinks and this is unquote but
drugs and uh and uh drugs and the drugs and like I said people were willing to go to bat for these roots because they
desperately needed that kind of money yeah but now the quote unquote School boyish pranks and silly tactics had
escalated that's no fun I really like to just spraying with the raspberry raspberry [ __ ] like no it's that was
just good wholesome fun yeah it's like a clown you know like with a little flower
but you know what desperation now drivers in this new period of time like I said would vandalize other Vans
sabotage them threaten the other drivers pretty much every time it became physical and this was all so that a
driver could keep the best route what a toxic work environment the most toxic work imagine coming in every day to work
no and you have to deal with like you're like I don't know what's gonna happen today like you know you mean and not in
a good way like oh no they had to make like literal alliances and like hire people to watch out for them and hire
people and we'll get into all that that's so much work but the increase in violence was particularly alarming in
the poor and working-class neighborhoods but it also wasn't just confined to those neighborhoods it was alarming
there because it was scary but it wasn't just those neighborhoods in the early 1980s London drivers were also engaging
in a myriad of tactics to protect those more lucrative routes and also resorting
to violence in December of 1981 three men from the Piccadilly whip ice cream company were put in jail for an
intimidation campaign on another driver that escalated to a really violent Point
these men had attempted to scare this driver his name was Anthony Sherburne from his site outside of a herod's
department store but their tactics weren't working like they were kind of just threatening him verbally
so when they realized that wasn't working they drove a truck into his van and then beat him to the point that he
quote lost his two front teeth and had two broken ribs oh my God yeah so that's where it all started holy [ __ ] now at
the start of the 1980s there were three leasing firms behind the ice cream van industry they were the Viking ice cream
company Capaldi and the mark Mar I'm gonna look this up hold on I didn't know if it was
marchetti or marchetti but according to pronouncednames.com it's Marquette market so yeah we had all those
companies just you know leasing out there and the Vans for the ice cream people now until the uh early 1980s all
three of these companies were regularly profiting from leasing out their Vans and selling products to the
self-employed drivers but by 1982 all three companies were reporting annual losses and they attributed these losses
to quote loss of sales repairs to Vans yeah I was gonna say and all the difficulties of starting new drivers
because who the [ __ ] wants to join this business now that it's become this yeah
exactly like you gotta there's a very specific person that will weigh the the risk the cost can cost and reward here
yeah the little Pro Yeah well yeah like somebody just got beaten so badly that their front two their two front teeth
are gone and they broke two ribs and broke two ribs and you're like is it worth it and they also drove a [ __ ]
uh yeah of his van what if he had been in the van it's a liability man it is so by the final quarter of 1983 Vans were
constantly being turned to the Marquette Brothers Garage with smashed Windows broken headlights just any kind of
vandalism you could think about it these Vans were suffering and yeah and it was
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so now we really get into the beginning of the ice cream Wars because this was bringing in so much money and because
there really wasn't a lot of law enforcement around the Estates where the van schemes were were they were kind of
now attracting a more criminal element these dudes who wanted an easy way to quickly and easily offload stolen
cigarettes and other Goods that could be sold on the ice cream Vans they had their perfect ticket oh yeah this is
like the ideal thing now yeah now while there had been clearly a lot of conflict
among drivers from the very beginning the treble reached New Heights actually now we're going to go back a second to
1978 between drivers from the marchetti brothers and 50 ices this is kind of like where the main tensions Lie from
the late 70s all the way to like the mid 1980s and these are all names of like ice cream things yeah spices yeah it's
um like the the leasing companies who own the game so like the Marquette Brothers have their own vans that run
around 50 Isis has theirs exactly okay it's like how there's um different taxi services yeah that makes sense yeah
and 50 ices was a little bit of a smaller leasing firm but that's where a lot of the tensions were between these
two this was primarily taking place and glasgow's barlin Arc neighborhood for the most part flare-ups between the
groups were minimal quote as long as they stuck to their respective sides of the scheme so it was like marchetti
brothers could have this route 50 Isis drivers had this route you do not Crossroad yes remember the two shall
meet exactly but every now and then a member of One group would infringe upon the territory of another causing yet
another outbreak of violence and vandalism and what also complicated things was that there were a lot of the
working-class people in this area they had ties and or like some kind of connection to the Ulster defense
Association which is the UDA oh they were a Protestant paramilitary group that terrorized Northern Ireland and
also parts of Scotland and this meant that sometimes the religious affiliations between drivers led to even
more violence oh my God the layers it's crazy it really doesn't it from what I know of people blinders it sounds like
this is very this is very peaky blinders yeah yeah and just wait I feel like it only got like I said never seen it The
Vibes are here but the Vibes feel yeah and it only it only five years oh yeah now this was the case in October of
1978. tensions were already super high between drivers working for marchetti brothers and 50 Aces and things
escalated when one of the drivers attacked the van of a driver from the Rival company so we have two rival
drivers fighting with each other okay now some members within that rival company also had ties to the UDA and the
police were starting to hear word that there was going to be some kind of retaliation for this fight between them
oh [ __ ] and they were hearing that the UDA Affiliated members were getting ready and starting to arm themselves for
some kind of big retaliation oh my God this is so peaky blind it's crazy now the police knew some of the more
notorious uh key players if you will and they were able to get involved before anything escalated to the point of like
what they thought was going to be a very bloody battle Yeah in the East end but it only kind of put like a temporary
Band-Aid on the overall problem throughout the rest of the year there were regular small fights between the
rivals but those were kind of just hints at what was to come when two van drivers from glasgow's
suburbs Dennis down and Easter house started encroaching on roots in The barlon Arc in early October four
Marquette drivers began a campaign of intimidation threats and vandalism and by the end of that month it resulted in
a serious assault on one of the Suburban drivers geez the Marquette drivers ended
up being arrested and charged but the charges were dismissed for all but one of them only one of them got the charges
and that man ended up being sentenced to serve five years in prison to him now despite the one prison sentence the
campaign of intimidation and violence successfully did drive the Suburban drivers out of the area
which like along with the lack of consequences showed that the violence was the answer when it came to
protecting your route I'd say that was a pretty bad move if you get dismissed on
all these charges and only one person gets in trouble you're like okay so what are my odds of getting I was just gonna
say I'll play those odds why not exactly now because the criminal activity among
the East End drivers had gotten so [ __ ] crazy there were another group of people who saw this as an opportunity
those people formed a protection racket whoa yeah this meant that drivers who wanted extra protection had to pay a fee
to these Hooligans willing to provide it for them and for those that didn't they
were on they were on their own yeah like that's all you buddy damn now this was the case for a female driver Sadie
Campbell she had started driving back in 1982 and in the beginning she was actually paying a protection fee because
she was like you know what I'm not [ __ ] with all this but then she found out that the people
were requiring this fee were doing so by means of extortion and at the time she was losing her profit because she's
paying for this fee and it's really like ridiculous you know yeah of course they're extorting her and at this point
she was finding it difficult to pay her bills so she stops paying it she's in a no-win situation now almost immediately
her van is vandalized the windows were smashed in and somebody also slashed her tires now when her brother Tommy found
out what was going on Tommy he went into he's like the main kind of guy in this he went into a full-blown protective
brother mode he Tracked Down the driver responsible and quote kicked his ass up and down the street this does sound like
Tommy uh so this is Tommy Campbell otherwise known as TC all right but he was kicking
people's asses hell yeah he was and he like kicking ass all while two police officers who decided not to intervene
just watched from their car nearby that is funny [ __ ] the fight was incredibly
intense if you read about it just know that there's like some animal cruelty involved
um whoever he was fighting like stuck dogs on him like sent them to hurt him and one of them ended up being killed oh
really sad it's sad but so he thinks he's taking care of this he's like you know what I took care of this I thought
the guy responsible a few weeks later Sadie's van explodes holy [ __ ] luckily she's not in it
literal oh my God she's not in it but that fully ended her career as an ice cream van driver wow she's like I'm done
yeah I'd be good with that now even though he had just seen how [ __ ] insane life could be in the ice cream
trade Tommy TC Campbell was like you know what I think I got the street smarts for this let me join and he
started in the fall of 1983. no isn't that [ __ ] crazy why would you do that so instead of leasing a van from one of
the firms he actually bought his own he described it as a clapped out Banger that's right yeah that's how I would
describe it as well a clapped out Banger that's how I describe all my cars clapped out Banger don't make me laugh
I'll start snowing sorry now when uh TC there got his clapped out bang out hell yeah all set his wife Liz also got a
licensed operator on that same time and she was going to be operating as a street vendor so she started her route
in a neighborhood known as haggle and at the time she was the only van on that particular route that you would
think wow that's great I'm gonna have so much success here and she did and she made a lot of money for the time being
I'm worried for her and that's the thing you wanted to get a successful route that nobody else had but it was also
dangerous to get a successful route that nobody else did because ah someone would
come along and start [ __ ] with you and your van and try to take that over yeah that's not good and that was
exactly the case with Liz oh Liz once people heard that she had a successful route she became a Target and she
started getting threatened now apparently Tommy was also able to track down the guys who were messing with Liz
he just of course he was he's a bloodhound yeah I think you don't mess with the women in his life you sure
don't apparently no and this time he didn't even have to throw hands because he had a reputation oh I mean look what
he had done with uh his little sister yeah he pretty much cemented that right there yeah so he just kind of took care
of it and what was that he just gives them he gives a Stern face oh yeah he just like
oh you can like smell him coming you like close your doors hide your wife hide your kids oh yeah yeah I'm one of
those I keep picturing him as as Thomas Shelby and that would mean that he would
just always smell like you would always smell cigarettes coming because Thomas Shelby is like chain smoker they all are
like literally that entire show is just cigarettes like all all the show I wonder what they smoke like they know
something different right yeah they have to I'm like you would all be yeah Dire Straits if you were smoking that much
you know that's funny that you said that I was thinking that uh yesterday because
I was watching girls next door obviously obviously and um it was the shoot where
Kendra dresses as May West so she has like a cigarette holder and she's smoking like a what looks like a real
cigarette yeah I was like [ __ ] like like what is that really just but they must
do something different for like a peaky I would think where they're literally I mean they are that's
99.7 nine percent of the show is them lighting up cigarettes I thought you were about to say 99.7 and I was like
99.76 of the show smoking ciggies is them lighting and smoking cigarettes the smell of cigarette I like used to smoke
cigarettes which is a really embarrassing fact about me the smell of them now yeah I really don't like the
smell of things I would give it for Thomas Shelby but but not ashkel but not ashkel I don't
know Elena got so mad at me I did yeah but it all worked out I'm I'm uh not a smoker it was for if it was for the best
yeah I'm 100 okay I wasn't bullying her Elena's always bullying me I am it's you
know that's why she's my maid of honor and everything absolutely but you know anyways back to TC Tommy Campbell back
to it so he just had to look at them this time he was like [ __ ] you guys [ __ ]
you guys except like Scottish yeah I can't do that it's a hard the broke is hard it's difficult now he didn't only
have street cred with the van drivers and as the leader of the Gaucho razor gang of course but he also was very well
well known to police I'm sure you're shocked to hear with them he had a reputation of being a
quote-unquote vicious cruel man who was usually and frequently involved in Mindless violence this is a quote
fighting for territory mindless violence yes just violence for violence sake literally TC's life in the early 80s he
was running multiple small-time Petty schemes he was selling uh stolen goods he was extorting money from various
groups of people he was essentially Born to Be an ice cream van driver yeah I 100
This Is The Life made for him yeah exactly like he didn't choose the ice cream van life it shows him yeah it like
sought him out truly truly now by the end of 1983 there were rumors circulating in glasgow's East End about
Marquette drivers being run out of neighborhoods or followed on their runs by suspicious cars and hag Hill Reed
Robertson who was actually the man that sold Tommy Campbell his first van started getting threats that if he
didn't abandon his lucrative haggle root then his van would be blown up oh yes that yeah okay according to skeleton the
worst that happened quote was a brick being thrown through his rear window oh that's the worst and isn't that crazy
when you're like all the worst things yeah like that oh it was nothing all they did was throw a brick through his
window he was all worried and then he just got a brick launch through his back window that was no big deal they're all
potatoes Small Potatoes but it didn't matter every skeleton skeleton yeah because it just makes me think of
skeletal yeah as soon as you said I was like oh I'm a skeletal I do too I haven't seen him in a while yeah goes to
his family yeah he wouldn't see he wouldn't saw his family family yeah he'll be back though so he must he must
have had a good time with his family yeah if you don't know that we've definitely told that story that's what
your youngest her like a little imaginary yeah that was her perhaps real that was her guy her man you just sit
there posing on the bookshelf just living just living yeah you know then he would just go visit his family family
yeah well the skeleton just said like it's just a just a brick in your window Scout tone is different all right
different I was just about to laugh and then I was gonna die we gave Elena some time to die I had to
have a second yeah but she okay now I'm okay she's okay I'm back um that's really funny I just got a
notification from ubereats and that just feels like fitting for this wow what do they want from me what do you
want from me Uber Eats they want me to order um they want you to lease a van no never
clapped out Bangor Ben I mean the twist my arms they go out right okay now so Reed he has this whole thing thrown
through his windshield yeah he does skeleton's like yeah no big deal Reed's like big deal uh I'm not gonna sit
around and wait for things to get worse uh everybody take my route read for the win that's what I would do I'd be like
yeah no that's as bad as that gets yeah he gave up his root and it also wasn't just the Marquette drivers being
targeted at the end of September of 50s uh ice try Isis driver was just wrapping
up the end of his run in rukasi and he was gonna be calling it a night as he was finishing up he saw a dark-colored
Ford Escort pull up behind his van and then two men wearing masks came out from the car no both holding shotguns nope
the driver John Brady immediately threw his van into gear put the pedal to the [ __ ] metal and sped away and as he
sped away these masked men banged on the sides of the van smashed one of the windows in and just the whole time were
like screaming threats to Brady this is a lot this is terrifying one might say this is the most also the fact that this
happened and I have never ever ever heard of it me neither [ __ ] bonkas this is really wild it is now when he
made it to safety Brady told the van's owner who was Samuel McBride about his ordeal and McBride took the information
to the police and Easter house to make a formal complaint it's unclear if the police actually followed up on this
complaint uh it doesn't seem like they followed up on a lot of these complaints it seemed like it they're like yeah
that's that's like this is annoying so yeah actually but either way McBride made the decision pretty quickly after
all of this to sell that van to Tommy Campbell oh and leave the ice cream business for good and that's why that
van was a clapped up Banger yup that there you go I was like sorry again so like we've been in 1983 for a while
we have 1983 the year of John the year of John what a year and of escalation in the ice cream world you know same thing
and now it wasn't just I see no difference I don't really see any difference at all this is what I said
right quit making yourself laugh no it wasn't only the van drivers who were receiving threats of violence and actual
harassment it was anyone even associated with the business at all this was the case in late October for marchetti
brothers supervisor James Mitchell he just finished his shift and he left the Marquette garage a little bit after
midnight now as he's driving home a dark-colored sedan drives up behind him real fast with the high beams on so he
slows down he assumes the car behind him wants to pass but the other driver came
up next to him and ends up keeping Pace with him oh very um what's that [ __ ] movie with Jared Leto that we just we
watched it recently again oh um the little thing the little things when he does that oh so creepy yeah so he keeps
Pace he's just driving along right next to him for a few hundred feet and then Mitchell notices somebody in the back
seat rolled down the window and point what he believed was a gun in his Direction no so he banged a hard turn
down the next street available and the other car ended up speeding away but had he not had a street available he very
well could have been shot uh yeah I'd say so from haggs Hill to car time to her Casey someone had their sights on
taking over the ice cream van runs in glasgow's east end and they were doing it one neighborhood at a time also if
you see a dark-colored sedan in these neighborhoods run get the [ __ ] out of there run there was dark colored sedans
everywhere yeah I'm like you know not a lot of people had access to cars all of a sudden they just find access all of a
sudden there's just dark colored sedans like coming out of their ears yeah seriously they lurk in they have so many
it's [ __ ] crazy in late October drivers in this is gonna be an attempt it's called gartham lock I believe oh I
love that it was a Suburban neighborhood in northeastern and a northeastern part
of Glasgow Gotham lock but drivers there had become so terrorized that finally the police intervened finally they took
this long I just can't get over the name of that that's awesome I just keep thinking of like Wayne and gartham walk
right it's Wild Rock off I'm trying party on Wayne and gartham walk now remember this is 1983. at this point
this had been going on since 1978 and the police are just getting involved now yeah I mean like now at this point
they're like maybe we should do something about this like you know what this doesn't seem to be going away on
its own so like I guess it's like an infection they're like you know it's weird it seems like it's getting worse
when we're not remedying it it's insane so the police added increased patrols and they actually even put plain
includes officers and decoy vans in an effort to catch the main perpetrators of this whole thing now the increased
police presence it definitely helped keep the violence and the intimidation to a minimum but it also just chased the
crime out of that specific neighborhood and into others that were less patrolled
on October 27 1983 three vans and cartine were attacked in a span of just two hours geez One driver what'd you say
efficient I know and that's the thing like it really was kind of organized crime yes very much you know one driver
told police he was working with his usual run at about 8 15 one quote four hooded men jumped out of a red Triumph
and smashed the van using pickaxe handles and other weapons oh [ __ ] crazy okay now the next morning
Marchetti's company secretary who at the time was Archibald McDougall yeah it was
[ __ ] rad at the time and forever in our hearts he received an anonymous call from a queen quote-unquote Gruff
individual yup I would like to be described henceforth as a Gruff individual individual who told him quote
I wish I could have a brogue for this but I'll try to be Gruff Scottish brogues are just so hard they are and I
love them they're so they're so like pure in and close to my heart that I don't want to [ __ ] with one no I know
yeah I know I'm just gonna be Gruff if we can't attack your vans in the north gartham lock area because of the heavy
police activity then we will attack your Vans everywhere else and that's what we
done last night I love it there you go if you don't get your Vans out of the Gotham lock area
then we'll do it again I love it that's pretty graphic it was that was rough as [ __ ] thank you I did get a little
English I would describe you as a Gruff individual if I heard you say that thank
you like that's what we've done last night I know oh there it is that's all I can do though okay okay that's what
we've done last night you gotta say that's what we've done last night it's very Boondock Saints yeah I like except
they're Irish ah [ __ ] but yeah I think we sounded a little more Irish we probably did yeah well anyway all I can
think of is donkey that's all I can think of too we've done last night we don't last night don't get it there you
go now the van runs runs as we I'm like in a room the bedroom as we know at this
point definitely provided a profitable income for those willing to drive the roots but the increasingly criminal
nature of the business started offering even more financial opportunities for drivers who didn't want to get directly
involved in vandalism or intimidation there are plenty of teenagers in and around the council Estates willing to do
it for them just a small price I loved like the the like entry level positions it's like for those who don't want to
get directly involved in the violence and intimidation yeah it's like you can you can have your
own run yeah you can be one of the people who sells the illegal Goods yep you can be one of the people who extorts
the drivers for protection just for their lives or you can be a teenager who's going to vandalize some some who
will do the interview for the drivers yeah it's kind of a pyramid scheme yeah there's a lot of different like little
tendrils to this business and I I appreciate that yeah so so the teenagers they were getting in on this now it's
[ __ ] crazy and it's sad too like we're lulling but it's really sad that it came to this well that's in and the
thing is when you really because you can like laugh about just like how outrageous it got well it becomes
fictional that's the thing because you think of it as like peaky blinders but like then when you really lay it down
and you kind of like peel away all of this it's out of pure desperation exactly all of this so it's like when
you really look at the origin of it you're like oh well that sucks yeah like that sucks that desperation causes this
you know it really is like a like a case study on society yeah it's really sad it
is so the teenagers the teens in April 1984 17 year old William Hamilton and a group of his friends in the Cowden beef
Estates were paid 70 pounds by a man named Thomas Lafferty which I just like Lafferty Lafferty yeah
um Thomas Lafferty told this William and his friends to smash up the van of a female driver whose root ran through the
neighborhood now Lafferty worked for Tommy Campbell at the time and they were also brother-in-laws
and while later William Hamilton refused to say what Lafferty had given him the money for he did admit to taking the
money and a little over an hour after he took that money he and his friends were
arrested for donating Celtic tammys which I think those are like the um the hats like the golf hats kinda with the
turtles on them yeah and like the fluffy ball on top wearing those and uh attacking a van with pickaxe sandals and
a sledgehammer this is like very violent it's the most violent very aggressive and it's just like a group of 17 year
olds with sledgehammers and pickaxe and this is like a woman's a woman's van yeah hopefully she wasn't in it at the
time I know but they were arrested good now at this point the ice cream van trade had evolved into a small time gang
war for dominance yeah glasgow's east end but thanks to the occasional police intervention incidents of violence had
been relatively minor but all of that would change in about four short months and everything would come to a head in a
shocking Act of Destruction and it would forever rank glasgow's ice cream Wars as
among the worst acts of mass murder that the country had ever seen holy [ __ ] this
is like it gets to a point like of just Insanity like you think that this is insanity and it very much is
when we re-ratched it up what actually happens you're like what the [ __ ] did you think was gonna happen oh
thank you [Music] foreign Fatboy Doyle our guy our guy the efforts to run Marquette Vans out of the gartham
lock area had been largely successful and by November there were only two Marquette Vans operating in the
neighborhood one of those was driven by James Mitchell Senior who was the father
of the Marquette supervisor who was run off the road okay and um I lost my place
a little bit and the other driver was Mitchell's 16 year old daughter Irene oh wow yeah and that's the thing like I
said women were obviously driving too but the young people were driving like 16 year olds yeah if you had a license
you had an opportunity holy [ __ ] now the obviously limited competition appealed
to Tommy Campbell's sister Agnes Lafferty who was driving a van for 50 ices at the time according to her the
two marchetti bands quote had a monopoly in the scheme and were charging the Earth for their stuff
and she wanted to take advantage of the opportunity to bring some competition to
the neighborhood so she sees an opportunity here okay Agnes now in the Marquette okay okay Agnes I'm I'm here
with you I guess yeah worried for you yeah when the marquette's company secretary our boy Archibald McDougall
our boy of forever forever and all over when he heard about Lafferty's decision to begin operating in gartham lock he
knew he would need to add additional drivers in order to lock Lafferty and 50 ices out of the neighborhood damn so
they're all coming up with like schemes to get the other one out skinny scheme schemes now other Marquette drivers had
expressed interest in this run but the recent flurry of threats and vandalism were still fresh in Archibald's mind
yeah and he knew whoever he put on the route was gonna have to be somebody who wasn't going to be easily intimidated
yeah and that is where Andrew Doyle comes in Android fat boy is the one that's not is not easily intimidated 18
years old imagine that's your that's your rep like they grow they're like we need someone who will not be intimidated
we pick you and be like I'd be like oh my God okay I would pick you you would pick me you're not easily intimidated at
all that is true yeah you know that that feels good yeah no problem that feels right I'd pick you fat boy yeah I
wouldn't do this though no this would intimidate I mean I would not pick you for this
if it was like a different thing yeah I didn't want you to be intimidated thanks
but I appreciate it I would never send you into these streets yeah I wouldn't do this I would be intimidated as [ __ ]
but Archibald did pick Andrew Doyle it was like him he's a good choice he called him and he offered him a van to
operate rent free whoa which was huge yeah like that's a massive opportunity in order to quote freeze out any
competition from rival firms now like we just said this is a big deal it wasn't like people were just throwing free Vans
at people who needed money left and right no and at the time Andrew Doyle likely thought this was a great
opportunity his family lived in like the newer housing Estates there was a lot of
them living in one little apartment like this was a huge opportunity absolutely he had grown up in a large well-known
family and they were really liked family they grew up in rukasi he was over six feet tall with a quote bulky excuse me
big bulky builds and that's why his friends and family had taken to calling him fat boy it was a term of endearment
yeah when McDougall approached him with an offer to drive for marchetti Andrew at the time was actually working as a
part-time bouncer at a local bar and sharing an apartment with his family in that rukasi estate
he obviously being a bouncer was no stranger to violence and he also wasn't really somebody to shy away from a fight
if one came his way but at the same time most accounts say that he was very nice
very reliable she's a good dude yeah you just didn't [ __ ] with him yeah exactly even Tommy
Campbell Doyle's competition for van runs described him as a quote nice big boy he wasn't a troublemaker and he
wasn't any sort of threat to anyone wow yeah now McDougall instructed Doyle to run the same route as Tommy's sister
Agnes staying either in front of or behind her the entire time wow so they're trying to intimidate her off
this week yeah Andrew starts driving in November and it didn't take long for the intimidation
and threats to begin One Night in November he was actually at home I'm sorry not by himself but at home like
you think you're safe there yeah what you would think you would think watching television with his brother Stephen and
they hear a car outside so Andrew looks out the window and he recognizes the driver so he leaves the
apartment and he goes out to talk to the man but he doesn't get any further than
the stairs and he's attacked from behind whoa yeah the man knocked Andrew to the
ground and then he and four other men proceeded to kick and punch him for several minutes oh my God the attack was
the first of a string of what they called back then Frighteners which were intimidation tactics used to deter the
Marquette driver from continuing his gartham lock run damn yeah now a neighbor testified in court later that
she had seen the fight outside the apartment and actually identified Tommy Campbell uh-oh Thomas Gray Gary Moore
and Joe Steele as the attackers Andrew actually didn't report the attack to the police but when he informed his
supervisor about it McDougall he called the Easter house police and did report the attack the Easter house police like
went to look for Andrew to kind of like take a statement from him yeah and they ended up up having a hard time finding
him along his route and when they did eventually track him down he was like no I'm not talking
about that now I'm good he's like nope and he basically just told them it had nothing to do with them and to mind
their own business wow so he knows what he's doing that's the thing he's not easily intimidated he just got the [ __ ]
kicked out of him and he's like I'm not going to police yeah like he's definitely very deeply entrenched
exactly so the attacks continued through the rest of the year with marchetti and 50
Isis fans taking heavy damage from rocks bricks hammers you name it just before Christmas Tony capano a driver for Agnes
Lafferty was on his way home after finishing his shift when four men in a quote we read Fiesta oh we read Fiesta
pulled at it and you would think that's not that scary no but they pull out in front of him and they throw a mallet
through his windshield imagine a Wii red Fiesta causing that kind of [ __ ] damn
like no that's like sending a little like a little toddler in with like a machine gun like that's the same kind of
vibe there that's that's the exact Vibe through a [ __ ] Mallet through his windshield damn nearly hitting Tommy
Campbell's sister other sister Liz who was sitting in the passenger seat so you don't want to [ __ ] with Tommy
Campbell's family no you do not so capuano tried to get away but the men in the fiesta pursued them quote unquote
aggressively until they reached Agnes Lafferty's house and when they reached that house obviously nobody's gonna [ __ ]
with Tommy's like family so the car disappeared down a side street now a month later near the end of
January Irene Mitchell's van was parked in the gartham lock when she spotted William Hamilton that guy from earlier
and a small group of boys headed her way the Mitchells had run-ins with Hamilton
a few times before I was talking about one earlier and usually this was at the urging of Thomas Lafferty so she started
the engine and started to pull away and a hammer came flying through her back window what is with like hammers
sledgehammers mallets like that's that's like very it's that's like brutality like you know what I mean like
this is so different the way this is being handled yeah you're just throwing hammers like throwing like Hammers and
mallets and [ __ ] at people like that's just so down and dirty this kind of thing is so you know it's so down and
dirty it really is and that causes so much damage like you are throwing something to cause like maximum damage
and like potentially death exactly hit in the back of the head with a crack of skull easy easy and with like the force
that it takes yeah continue like creeping through the air like that's insane it is so as the attacks increased
in both frequency and intensity so did the violence and threats from both sides rumors started circulating about one
driver threatening to kill the other but up until this point everybody just kind
of thought that was drunk [ __ ] talking yeah like everybody's like oh I'm gonna
kill him I'm gonna kill her yeah but that all changed one night in February when somebody fired a shotgun at Andrew
Doyle's van while he was parked on a street in gartham law holy [ __ ] he later did tell the police I was parked outside
of Balvenie Street I went to pick up some bottles which had fallen over I heard a bang and then saw a hole the
size of a football in the windscreen Jesus so how do you even in that van he absolutely would have been 100 and
Wilson a teenager who had actually been helping Andrew on his run told the police that she saw men wearing uh
balaclavas and she didn't see their faces but she did see that they were driving a dark colored Volvo oh and they
were wearing like those masks yeah like oh I was like I had to look up the pronunciation of that and like that
picture came up math kind of thing literally like you just see the eyes oh that's so creepy [ __ ] terrifying and
that's it's like all over roots for ice cream ice cream technically no this all the all roads lead back to
ice cream I know you're never gonna eat ice cream the same after this yeah even they're gonna eat it though they were
barely even selling ice cream I was gonna say honestly at the end of this like ice cream is a very loose term when
it comes to what this is yeah precisely so the day after the shooting Andrew flagged down a patrol officer to report
that four men in a Ford Transit fan had been following him that day around gartham lock all afternoon now a few
weeks later on March 18th two men in a Ford Transit van oh through a brick through the back of his
van the background now despite the escalation of the attacks and the stress that these
attacks were probably causing Andrew he refused to give up his route and he rarely reported the attacks to anybody
he just kind of wanted to handle things his own way wow now a few months later his brother Stephen told the jury
um of an incident in late February in which quote Andy was in the house and Anthony asked him about the business of
being shot at yeah Andy told him not to say anything and just leave it he obviously did not want to talk about it
my mother asked him what it was about as well but he wouldn't say Andy was just like that
so he's like literally just he's like he's don't worry yeah I've got it under control yeah
now Andrew was only slightly more Cooperative when it came to the local police telling him he didn't telling
them he didn't really know of any reason why somebody would want to shoot him yeah in fact he told them all of the
trouble that started only recently when quote the 50s ice Isis van came into the
area the one with wait for Agnes on the side now it seemed to the police that Andrew
interpreted the escalating gang war as kind of just Little fights between businesses and even though he had
already been physically assaulted himself he never thought that he was personally in any real danger yeah
whether this was really how he felt or just an act tensions were running particularly High by February of 1984
and it seemed that the violence was only going to escalate from here on February 1st a supervisor with the
marchetti brothers he arrived at the garage in the morning to find that at some point in the night somebody had
broken into the building and tried to start a fire with a crude gas bomb damn so at this point we are we are uh
what is the word intensifying or whatever yeah this is fire escalating I couldn't think of the word either it
just I was like I'm gonna talk until it comes to me and it just went I was trying that too yeah but sometimes it
works sometimes it doesn't yeah but escalating to arson yes straight up Flames crazy so the uh Petrol in a
bottle approach wasn't effective at setting the garage on fire but the arsonists did succeed in destroying one
of the Vans one of the Vans did catch fire damn now when the attempted arson was discovered to have failed leader
that day the arsonist actually returned the next um early in the early morning hours of
the next day and tried to burn the building again this time they dumped gasoline through a hole in the ceiling
but the Flames were immediately spotted by Patrol officers in the area and it was able to be extinguished by the
police department wow but now we're trying to literally blow up businesses yeah like not just I mean trying to blow
up a van in and of itself is pretty [ __ ] terrifying but now you're trying to entire building a whole building yeah
crazy this is one of those things where it's like does everyone see where this is going oh yeah
and be like this is gonna get so much worse that's the thing like the writing was very much on the wall with this
first of all the fact that when the fire wasn't successful they came back yeah it's like come on like these people are
intent on destroying what they want to destroy and it's only gonna get worse and it only did oh the night of April
16th 1984 there was a full house at the Doyle's apartment in rukasi Andrew Doyle's parents James and Lillian Doyle
were home as well as himself and his siblings Daniel Stephen and Anthony they also had three guests staying with them
their other son James Jr their daughter Christine Halloran and Christine's 18 month old son Mark I don't know now a
little before midnight Lillian Doyle said good night to her husband and her sons James Jr and Anthony and then she
went to bed for the evening at some point in the area in the hour that followed the rest of the doyle
family members also went to bed and the house was dark now at some point between 1 and 2 A.M
somebody climbed the stairs to the doyle apartment and poured gasoline on the door next to their front door this door
was used to access an old coal cellar and then they tossed a match at the door and the old dry wood immediately ignited
oh my God these are like housing like like little apartments like they are going to catch there's a 15 month old in
there yeah oh so Lillian Doyle Andrew's mom woke up to the sound of her daughter
Screaming in the Night and she woke up to see what she was screaming about now Christine's baby actually had been sick
with a cold in the last couple of days so she kind of thought oh she just needs help with the baby so she opens the
bedroom into the hallway and she's overwhelmed by the thick black smoke and scorching heat that immediately forced
her to close the door and stay back in the bedroom she's [ __ ] terrified so she goes to the window and she threw
it open uh maybe for like fresh air because she had just basically walked into a fire actually or for a
potential Escape Escape by then the neighbors had already begun to gather outside 40 feet below my God
and they were shouting telling her that the fire brigade was on its way now a short distance away another crowd
had gathered and this one had gathered around 22 year old Stephen Doyle like his mom he had been woken up by the
commotion and he got up to investigate and when he opened his bedroom door he was also pushed back in spot inside by
the smoke and the Searing heat of the fire so in a panic he ran to the window didn't think too much just punched
through the glass cut his hand and arm in the process he breathed a deep lung full of fresh air went back to the door
and tried to make his way into the hallway to help any family members that he could but he only made it a few steps
before he had to go back into the bedroom but he was able to grab Dixie the family dog before once again closing
the door he literally had no other option at this point so he went to the window sat on the ledge for a minute and
jumped three stories to the ground below holy [ __ ] badly badly injuring himself
in the process but he saved him in Dixie's life oh the lives so local firefighters received the call
about the fire at the doyle residence a little before 2 30 in the morning and they responded immediately their
first priority was to get anybody inside to safety but the Flames were still burning like way too hot for them to
even get to the door they couldn't even get to the door so they had to work to extinguish the fire from outside
now once they were able to access the apartment firefighter Gerald Lafferty so many lafferties I know he entered the
apartment wearing a breathing apparatus and he was carrying a small extinguisher
to kind of clear his way the first member of the family found was Lillian she was hanging half in and half
out of the window and as he moved toward her she screamed at him to help the children first oh she was like don't
bother with me you go get them first oh my God so in the next bedroom he found Andrew and Daniel kneeling in front of
the windows and the uh James Jr lying on the bed beside them whether out of confusion or just a desire not to
abandon their brother they both refused to leave and they actually had to be dragged from the apartment by
firefighters oh my God if you Google it there's a picture of Andrew Doyle being taken out of the apartment by the
firefighters and he just looks like in a daze obviously God so when Lafferty reached the third bedroom he discovered
James senior lying on the floor next to his daughter's bed this is really really
really sad Christine was still in bed and she seemed to be using her body to Shield
the baby from harm like she laid on top of the baby she was severely burned she there were no signs that she was
conscious but baby Mark appeared to be breathing holy [ __ ] so the firefighters
removed mother and child from the apartment and they attempted to perform CPR on Christine but she was gone oh my
God that's so sad 25 years old holy [ __ ] 14 year old Anthony was the last one of
the doyle family to be found he had actually been sleeping on the couch in the living room so he was the most
vulnerable one to the flames he was badly burned across most of his body and like his father and brother James he was
laid outside while the emergency responders used a resuscitator to keep him alive oh my God now the extent of
the damage to the Doyle's lives and property was massive and shocking Christine died at the scene Anthony died
on the way to the hospital baby Mark unfortunately died the following afternoon he was transferred to the ICU
at the sick Children's Hospital in York Hill but oh it was just too much for his
body oh my God James senior and James Jr were both both placed in the infirmary Burns unit for extensive injuries
enlisted in critical condition oh my God Daniel and Andrew were also placed in the burns unit and their situations were
considered serious Stephen had suffered serious back injuries and shattered his left leg when
he jumped from that window he had to get multiple pins in his leg among various other treatments Lillian was treated for
smoke inhalation and shock actually but was actually discharged later that day so she survived
several of the Doyle's neighbors including those who'd attempted to rescue the family were also treated for
smoke inhalation and these are all innocent people yeah you know like these are innocent people I mean Andrew Doyle
was just running a [ __ ] van root yeah he was hired to do this and everybody was intimidating him and he was just
going about his business and the saddest thing I think is that he was sought out
to do this he didn't even apply for this job like he was Sato and it's like this
is his family they didn't have anything an 18 month old doesn't have anything to
do with this [ __ ] ice cream war and they weren't even supposed to be there yeah that way they just happened to be
there yeah so his father Andrew's Father James or excuse me his brother James Jr
died the following day from his Burns and smoke inhalation and within a week his father James
senior and Andrew Doyle also died the former of Bronco pneumonia and severe burns and the latter Andrew of
Bronco pneumonia and lung damage from inhaling toxic gases during the fire so literally almost this entire family yeah
gone that's awful [Music] so as fire officials sifted through the wreckage of the apartment they couldn't
identify the origin point of the fire because I mean it had been just like yeah just demolished the best they could
tell was that the fire had started around the door going into the old coal Cellar however it appeared as though an
accelerant had accidentally or intentionally been poured under the front door which provided the Flames a direct path
into the main apartment wow so it's likely that whoever set the fire didn't know that the Doyles had been using the
old coal Cellar as storage and behind that door were a ton of Highly flammable items like tires dry wood stuff like
that which when held under pressure created a way larger and way deadlier explosion than hopefully it wasn't maybe
it was intended yeah right now given Andrew's conflict with the drivers from 50 Isis and the recent escalation and
violence investigators were immediately sus and assumed that the fire was arson and murder yeah with no time to waste
they set up an incident room at the nearby Easter house station and they were ready to go holy [ __ ] so this case
was assigned to detective superintendent Norman Walker he was a veteran of the police force he'd been on the job more
than 30 years well now despite having been told about the feud between the ice cream van drivers he didn't really have
any concrete leads he didn't really have any evidence because everything was burned in the fire so he was just didn't
really have much to go he's just going off of what people are saying yeah so he's going door to door in rukasi and a
few neighbors in rukasi reported seeing three or four boys in the area shortly before the fire and another had seen
three teenagers buying a can of gasoline a little after midnight on the night of
the fire so Walker finally got his first concrete lead when he interviewed a neighbor by the name of Reginald Rankin
now the fact that he didn't just like run with this is insane because this man tells him everything he needs but the
detective is like okay sounds good and why would she listen to a man named Reginald Rankin it's your it's you have
to I'd be like tell me everything it's an Unwritten rule that if your name is Reginald Rankin everyone has to do what
you say and you're gonna tell the truth tell me might prophesies to me tell me my future please I'll believe you Mr
Rankin 100 let's go so that lead like I just said would be ignored for years that's good this lead that I'm about to
tell you according to Rankin he and a friend had been driving and I literally can't believe this has been ignored wait
you're gonna get so mad he and a friend had been driving back to his apartment in Ru Casey and the early
morning hours of April 16th and he said as he turned the corner into the apartment complex he was hit on the
front corner of his car by a red Ford Escort seemingly racing away from the estate
so that's pretty pretty damning only gets worse he described the other driver as a man in his late 20s early 30s with
quote Fair Street shoulder shoulder length hair of a slim build and wearing blue denims a denim jacket and a
yellowish t-shirt Rankin also told the interviewing officers that the man was short about five six and had a scar on
his cheek him just to the right of his nose like literally he's from everything this is like a really detailed
description now when Rankin got out of the car to confront the driver who had just all hit him two other men got out
of the car and all three of them ran off and just left the car okay guys so he checks inside the car
he's like what the [ __ ] is going on here and notices a gas can in the back seat
along with a strong smell of gas we're real we're just ignoring this no he didn't report the incident initially or
the accident because he didn't have a license or insurance and he was like you know what I think we're just gonna let
this go I'm going to re-up that and then I'll let them know he didn't know about
the fire yet either yeah but he came forward once he knew of the fire and the deaths of the doyle family so after
telling the story to the officers who were literally going door to door for leads he expected to hear from them
sooner or later yeah no one ever contacted him to follow this up guys like y'all how does this [ __ ]
happen that's what I want to know like shitty detective work yeah you've been on the force 30 years and this tip was
just literally like neatly wrapped in a bowl and tossed or in a bow and tossed onto your lap in a fancy under a fancy
cloche and they were just like voila here it is here you go sir and they're like no I don't want that I'm gonna make
my own why would I do that why so searching for any lead in the case or maybe not uh or maybe not maybe not
perhaps not detective superintendent Walker started interviewing the men being held at uh barley prison sea Hall
which was a holding area for prisoners awaiting trial now it was in this sea Hall that they encountered a man named
Billy Love he was a thief and he was awaiting trial for armed robbery yeah he was yeah Billy Love was absolutely and
he was there along with his accomplices Ronald Carlton and John Campbell so love
told Walker that he had information about the doyle family murders but if he was going to give that
information he wanted to be let out of prison of course he has something to gain he's going to give you of course I
don't think he's going to give it up for free uh in my personal opinion nothing of that he told them is real yeah I mean
he's he's got every reason to lie about it exactly and you know who doesn't [ __ ] Reginald Reginald was just going
about his business Reginald has every reason to lie and exactly he's like he's like I know I was gonna get in trouble
here but like people died so like I found that out and I was like I gotta say something I gotta say something they
were like no not interested believe Reginald Rankin okay Justice for Reginald Rankin no none of it so Walker
Returns on May 8th with a promise of Baal for love and love gives a short version of this story that he says here
we're just we're going with the criminal instead of the random witness yeah yeah
so according to Billy Love he had been the driver of the red Volvo spotted on the night of Andrew Doyle's van uh the
night that it had been shot up he claimed that it was his accomplice Thomas tamby Gray who pulled the trigger
now love claimed that the two had been paid by Tommy Campbell's brother-in-law Thomas Lafferty to destroy Doyle's van
that very well could have been the truth because Thomas Lafferty was always giving people money to do better of
course and Billy Love was like you know Billy Love yeah he was all about that I believe maybe Billy love was there that
night and like shot at the van yeah I don't know about the rest yeah so he adds that a few weeks later he was in
the netherfield bar and he overheard Tommy Campbell Thomas Gray Joseph Steele and a few other men that he didn't know
talking about setting fire to the Doyle's front door quote just to give the hymn a fright okay I don't know if
you're like um really big on organized crime that you're going to be talking about it
where people can hear you talk about yeah where people can go warn the person that you're talking about just sliding
their door on fire in a random bar yeah I don't know maybe who knows his story seemed a little too easy too good to be
true yeah but it fit a narrative that had begun to take shape in the local press oh yeah it's always good when you
come up with the story before you have any evidence that's that's fine work fine investigatory work just wait so the
Press they were chasing down and Publishing any and all information they could on the doyle family murders
regardless of fact or accuracy they didn't give a [ __ ] according to Douglas Skelton it's skeleton I don't know why
I'm saying it weird the tabloids quote we're talking about the infiltration of the ice cream trade by gangsters often
citing unnamed sources so not only did Billy Love's story fit the narrative quite nicely it also
implicated a number of local Petty thugs quote unquote like Tommy Campbell and Thomas Lafferty who were well known to
be involved in the feud between the Marquette and 50s ice drivers and the police wanted them off the street of
course it fits for everyone yeah now the information from Love Led Walker to 23 year old criminal Joseph Granger who was
an occasional associate of Tommy Campbell now on April 23rd so this is before uh detective Walker gets the information
from love okay before he gets this whole story Granger gave police a detailed nine page statement in which he confirms
his association with Tommy Campbell and acknowledges Campbell's role in the ice cream van Feud but explicitly denied
having been in the netherfield bar having participated in any conversations about setting fire to the Doyle's front
door or knowing anything about the murder of the doyle family now his statement was critically
important because among other things he denied having participated in the conversation at the netherfield bar more
than a week before Walker supposedly got that tip from Billy Love huh which raises the question why would the
police ask Joseph Granger about his presence in a bar and participation in a conversation that they didn't even know
about yet yeah that's strange how did that work how did that work or was the paperwork just dated incorrectly because
uh you're lying I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know so based on the information provided by Billy
Love and their suspicions of Joseph Granger the police arrested Tommy Campbell Joseph Steele Thomas Gray and
Gary Moore on May 12th for the arson murders of the doyle family damn and nearly two weeks
later detectives re-interviewed Granger during which they claimed he broke down and started to sing like a canary I bet
I'm sure now according to detectives he admitted to his involvement in the fire at the marchetti Brothers Garage which
he was driven to by Campbell and gray he said okay now Granger's statement claims
that they cut a hole through the roof and poured gasoline from a small from small bottles into the garage and then
dropped lit matches and pieces of paper in to catch the gas but interestingly his statement made no
mention of the gas can that was found by investigators outside of the building which at the time was identified as the
can from which the gas was poured huh they're like oh they're like oh you forgot something yeah can you go back in
that story real quick and add that in exactly it's like the Jesse muskelly thing took the words right out of my
mouth whenever exactly what I was about whenever he would like slip up on a detail that they had already created
they'd be like oh did you mean that this entirely opposite thing of what you just
said did you forget that you also did that oh yeah yeah okay okay just go back and say what we said now you said that
this person tied the Rope did you mean that that you actually tied that yeah you did right that's it what you meant
was that like you said you poured it from small bottles but what you meant is like the one that we found outside the
big one and he's like yeah yeah yeah yeah that one they're like yeah absolutely it was that one yeah but the
best part is they didn't even go they didn't even like fix it they were just admitting it yeah whatever okay there
was a can out there who gives you we'll just throw that yeah so fine finally Granger's supposed statement got around
to the night that he and the other men plan to burn Doyle's front door and a week later he recalled the men dropping
him off at home before they left to set the fire so the statements from Granger in love
appeared to be tying up a number of loose ends of unsolved crimes in the East End huh who knew well what luck and
it also helped the police deal with a few Troublesome characters from the neighborhood oh my goodness and their
case was only strengthened by statements made from a number of local teenagers including William Hamilton who I would
literally bet zero dollars I was just gonna say wow what a worthy source of information yeah he confirmed the
accused men's participation in the ice cream van Feud and the attacks on bands and drivers he may be left out the part
where he was completely involved I was gonna say hello Mr Hamilton you have something else to say always so the
detectives also managed to get Joseph Reynolds whose sister was dating Gary Moore at the time of the fire to
identify Campbell and more as having shown up outside his sister's window shortly after the fire had been set so
they're putting them all in like the right places of course so the ice cream Wars in glasgow's East End they were
violent disruptive destructive but for the most part they were confined to a certain area and within a certain social
group and they rarely affected those outside of the marketing 50s firms the murder of the doyle family on the other
hand really represented vaguely defined epidemic of crime that outraged the public and the public demanded that
something be done yeah so pressure is being put on the police yeah and then the tabloids and press only complicate
things further because they're just sensationalizing all these stories of course it's leading to an increase in
Social Anxiety Panic the residents want something to be done but in reality this was a feud between
Petty criminals that played out in a poor area of the city and people outside of the East End rarely ever thought of
this area or visited it that's so wild yeah let's think about it such an isolated area but it sounds like this is
just so massive and so everywhere and leeching into every part of everything yeah but when you really think about it
I'm sure there were most people around that were like what yeah I know nothing it didn't affect them that's confined
there and like we don't yeah like we don't talk about that yeah that's not for us wow it's a class thing yeah and
it's [ __ ] that other people didn't want to get involved you know like and and stop it not gonna imagine continue
it let's get involved so in the wake of the fire though the feud between Petty criminals was born
way out of proportion and dramaticized I don't even think this is yeah I like it
dramatized dramatized dramaticized I think it's true dramatized as though it were a
complicated Mafia conspiracy but under these circumstances the arrest of Campbell and his supposed accomplishment
accomplices served not only to neatly close this high profile case but also as a
demonstration of supposed action from law enforcement to address the growing crime waves yeah now between the
negative public sentiment and basically like hysteria tabloid reporting there was little chance of anybody getting a
fair trial yeah when the case finally made its way to court and that was on September 3rd 1984. Tommy Campbell
Joseph Steele Thomas Gray and Gary Moore all of them had maintained their innocence since their arrests but in a
case involving the murder of a family which also included a baby it's really unlikely that anybody gave a [ __ ] about
what they were saying no no also charged at the same time were George Reed uh because Tommy Campbell had purchased his
first fan from him oh yeah and John Campbell those charges actually would be dismissed not long after the trial
started but it's worth mentioning that they were uh players in the beginning of this now in total there were 16 charges
ranging from intent to intimidate and disorderly conduct product to arson and murder
the trial was six weeks long and the Crown's lead prosecutor Michael Bruce painted a picture of basically a mafia
style campaign of intimidation against Andrew Doyle and all the other marchetti drivers which was led by Tommy Campbell
he's the frontman now through the testimony from literally hundreds of witnesses Bruce presented a
condensed timeline that started with Agnes Lafferty and Andrew Doyle's beginning the uh
[ __ ] autocorrect told them gartham Locker the Gotham lock in the fall of 1983. it set off a pattern escalating
violence against Marquette drivers but Doyle in particular which then led to the murder of those six members of his
family on April 16 1984. so on paper the case against all these men definitely seemed like a slam dog yeah thanks to
the press the public had already formed opinions of all these guys and their guilt or their innocence guilt guilt so
all Bruce really had to do was reinforce what they thought they already knew support the narrative with evidence and
statements to the police but the problem was that a lot of the prosecution's case was built on
criminals and other unsavory characters making accusations and claims against other criminals and unsavory characters
that's the thing and somebody said she said yeah for instance during an interview with detectives Agnes
Lafferty's daughter Carol told us Carol Harold Carol her name was Carol she told
the police that she had seen Joe Steele quote carrying a big gun about two feet long in the days before Andrew Doyle's
van was shot up now she said that like before the trial started she said as much on the stand when she was called by
Bruce to testify but then she was cross-examined by Steele's lawyer Donald Findlay and she admitted quote she did
not know very much at all because she was always full of drugs oh all right like she literally said that yeah I'm
just always full of drugs she was like I don't actually know if I saw that because uh I'm always full of drugs so I
probably didn't see that just just the wording of that yes pretty iconic now similarly other witness another witness
for the crown Gordon Ness testified that he steal and John Campbell were paid to
harass the Marquette vans in the fall of 1983 and that the three of them frequently traveled together in rukazi
looking for their targets now like Carol Lafferty Ness also struggled with addiction and he later said that he'd
been using heavily at the time and actually had trouble remembering the specifics of his previous statement ah
so not great Witnesses not great now a few days under the trial the prosecution's case took several more
hits when key Witnesses changed their stories flat out rejected their previous statements to the police all of the
above Tony capuano who the police claimed had admitted to being present during the first attack on Irene
Mitchell's van he testified that he had actually never admitted to such things so the police were lying they're just
straight up lying he said he was never present for the attacks he was set up by the investigating officers oh the same
thing same thing in the case of Joseph Granger who like was singing like a canary about everything and had a story
that made no sense because things hadn't even happened yet that he was talking about
his statement was the one that all of these arrests were really largely based on but he denied ever admitting anything
to the police he told the jury I swear by my mother's life that I had [ __ ] all
to do with that fire wow yeah all right what a statement I swear in my mother's life that I had [ __ ] all to do with that
mother wow or that fire excuse me damn now like Hamilton had done on the stand before him Granger testified that he'd
never given the incriminating statements to the police all he did was sign them after having been threatened and bullied
and in addition to those threats he claimed that the officers quote pulled his hair jostled him kicked him in The
Shins and assaulted him even more prior prior to him agreeing to sign statements
M which like I believe I believe I definitely believe that so the prosecution really wasn't like living
their best life no definitely not and then they were dealt another blow on the seventh day of trial when another key
witness Billy Love now detective superintendent Walker's case had been built pretty largely also
on statements from love who told a similar story when he was when he was questioned by Bruce Underoath but then
he was questioned by Lafferty's Attorney John Smith and his story started to change
he had testified that there had been no inducements or promises made by the prosecution or investigators in exchange
for his testimony but when Smith pushed back love replied I was told I probably would not be charged
wow Hello whoa so he literally told them everything they wanted to hear just so he could get out of jail and then he was
like no that's not what happened and then he gets a little pushback and he's like yeah that's exactly what happened
yeah that's actually exactly it so the more and more they pushed him the more his story unraveled and his truthfulness
ended up being called into question but since all and since all these men were being tried together love was subjected
to cross-examination from every defense attorney damn yeah one was poking additional holes in his story the other
was poking more holes oh man kept going until Tommy Campbell's attorney Donald McCauley finally suggested that Billy
Love had been lying all along and had simply gone along with the information that he was being fed by the detectives
in order to get himself out of jail boom so in their closing arguments the defense attorneys for the accused men
rested their cases reminded the jury that the case against their clients was basically all on speculation and
supposed statements from people who Underoath fully denied giving those questions like come on it was a
compelling argument and it was backed up by the seriously limited physical evidence and testimony given on stand
during the trial but it was also an argument that was easily undermined by the by the
prosecution who told the jury quote it is only if you accept the evidence of the accused that you could agree with
the defense's submission so the judge in the case Lord Ken Craig oh I just love I'm loving all of this
Lord King Craig all these names he had similar closing remarks for the jury he said of the defense's argument that the
jury would have to accept quote not one or two or four but a large number of detectives had deliberately come here to
perjure themselves to build up a false case against an accused person whoa yeah wild Lord so what do you what do you
think will happen here do you think they're going to get off or do you think they're gonna get convicted I'm not
looking um I'm covering anything she's covering the screen I don't think I still think they're
gonna get convicted you do yeah okay because I think there's like a greater plan
at work here correct oh I am on October 9th 1984 the jury retired to begin with their deliberations and that spilled
over into the following day and then the following day they finally come back with their verdict
Thomas Campbell found guilty of murder and sentenced to life imprisonment yeah with the possibility excuse me with the
recommendation that he served 20 years wow he was also found guilty of the shotgun attacked on on Andrew Doyle
prior to the fire and sentenced to years in prison to be served concurrently with
his previous sentence holy [ __ ] uh Joseph Steele was found guilty of murder and sentenced to life imprisonment also
found guilty of conspiracy to assault a van driver and a vandalizing the Marquette Vans and he was sentenced to
six years and one year respectively to be served concurrently I feel like they should all be charged with conspiracy to
like commit an act of violence against a van driver 100 like shouldn't they all just get slapped with that immediately
like all of them across the board you would think yeah but not all of them were Thomas Gray was found guilty of the
attempted murder of Andrew Doyle in the shotgun attack and he was sentenced to 14 years in prison Thomas Lafferty was
convicted of conspiracy to commit murder for the shotgun attack on Andrew Doyle sentence sentenced to three years
imprisonment George Reed was convicted on a lot of lesser charges including a knife assault on a driver vandalism
stuff like that he was sentenced to three years and John Campbell was convicted of vandalism conspiracy to
commit murder for the shotgun attack and he received a sentence of one in three years respectively to be served
concurrently damn yeah so all in all Thomas Campbell and Joseph Steele and really Thomas Gray got like the heaviest
sentences but definitely Thomas Campbell and Joseph Steele wow got like really intense sentences so in the end the
verdicts really had little to do with evidence and testimony presented at trial and really everything to do with
the reputations of the accused and what they represented to society each of the six accused in the case all
of them were Violent Men they had extensive criminal histories and they were young too so it was like really
yeah it spoke to other characters for Joseph Steele criminality was just a way of life it was actually handed down
to him by his older brothers and their father it was kind of just like the family's way of life you know
yeah now Reggie McKay who wrote a book with Tommy Campbell acknowledged the past he actually referred to Joseph
Steele as quote a low-life crook who would Rob your granny's meter damn but he said he's always believed that
the men were innocent victims of a police conspiracy to close a high-profile case wow I kind of believe
that too yeah I think possibly some of them were involved in this but I'm like I don't know if I
don't think it all adds up to what they said not all of it yeah so in simple terms these were Bad Dudes who committed
countless acts of violence and brutality but a lot of people doubted whether or not they were were responsible for the
doyle Family Matters over the years Thomas Campbell and Joseph Steele did their best to keep attention on the case
and tried to get the ruling overturned uh Steele actually escaped from barely prison multiple times damn one time he
escaped he made it to Buckingham Palace and super glued himself to the gates I'm
literally obsessed with that fact same that is the most unhinged [ __ ] I have ever heard
certainly is super glued himself to the gates of Buckingham Palace but was ultimately returned to prison oh oh he
was yeah that didn't work for him it was like he's not still there super glued to
Buckingham Palace no sorry wow super glue I'm like where'd you get super glue and what did you do just like smear it
all over and then just stick yourself on there I know I wonder if he put it like
on his clothes first did he put it on the bars first what came first let's ask him the bar or the clothes I don't know
wow now the two of them also filed numerous appeals and they were actually allowed out on bail in December of 1996.
wow while the appeals court reconsidered their case following Bill loves 1992 confession that uh he had lied to the
detectives in 1984. shocked yeah he said he quote invented a conversation between
Campbell and Steele and allowed them to take the blame for his own action and shooting at a van windscreen there you
go so he was is the one who shot he was actually the one and he's like I just want somebody else yeah exactly nice
Philly love so the Court of Criminal Appeals in Edinburgh and they reviewed the case and they actually upheld the
initial ruling saying there had been quote no reasonable explanation as to why a key witness who now claims he lied
during the original trial has changed his mind um guilt yeah I was gonna say but then
the case was appealed again in 2004 after having been selected for review by Scotland's criminal cases review
commission which is quote a body set up to examine alleged miscarriages of Justice which I believe this was the
case was chosen when Brian Clifford who's a professional professor of psychology at the University of East
London he was chosen to review the evidence and he discovered quote a statement said to have been made by Mr
Campbell to police after his arrest was written in the notebook of all notebooks
of all four officers with a high degree of similarity wow so that meant four officers sat there and wrote a fake ass
statement in their notebooks and they were like we'll just say that this is Tommy Campbell's statement my God why
would you all write down his statement together so [ __ ] up no so Clifford concluded that it would have been highly
unlikely that all four of them would have been able to recall that statement with the same level of detail yeah which
led him to believe that at least in this one instance a statement had been fabric
yeah which if one statement has been fabricated there's more exactly pull the string the whole sweater will unravel so
he reviews the entire case and the commission determined that officers never had probable cause to arrest or
sufficient evidence to convict Campbell or Steele damn and the conviction was overruled which allowed both of them to
go first oh [ __ ] in 2004. in 2004 was overturned Tommy Campbell actually died from natural causes in June of 2019
though oh damn yeah and as of now the murder of the doyle family remains unsolved but it is considered an open
matter wow and that is the case of glasgow's ice cream war ice cream van Wars just
wow I did not see I did not foresee all of that no one did I did not no one did I didn't know what
I foresaw but I did not foresee that and how sad is it that like an entire family
family was brutally brutally killed for an ice cream root yeah like an ice cream
Roots it's just so somebody else could make better money that's horrific it's so sad and I think whoever went there
that day and did do that I don't think they intended to kill that family it does sound like that is like and that
must be like a thing like you light the door on fire right kind of thing and it just seems like it was just bad and it
was the door next to their front door so I think it was supposed to be like a scare tactic yeah like I let your door
on fire exactly [ __ ] with me but like maybe don't light things like doors on fire yeah I was gonna say no that's bad
like don't intimidate people because that's also against the law and it's like of course it's a [ __ ] house if
you light the door on fire the whole thing might go up you idiots but it's like I do from the sounds of all of it
and I would hope this would be the case that that was all that was intended was intimidation and lighting that door on
fire right but wow what a terrible tragedy that followed seriously and it's like who did it I know who the [ __ ] did
it I don't know and maybe they did do it yeah and all of them did do it but it was just that the police didn't go about
the investigation yeah they didn't correctly you know who's to say the evidence to prove it Beyond A Reasonable
Doubt who's to say wow but that's the case of the Glasgow ice cream Wars what a tail not food networking at all not at
all no it's not what what that is yeah but with all that being said we do hope that you keep listening and we hope you
keep it weird but not so weird that uh ice cream Vans do this because no thank you
the SpongeBob one with the eyeballs that are gum there you go yeah bye bye foreign
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I SCREAM, YOU SCREAM, WE ALL SCREAM… over this true crime case known as the Glasgow Ice Cream Wars. We aren’t all watching the latest Food Network bake-off, unfortunately, this case has everything from assault to arson. It all happened back in early 80’s Glasgow. The streets were running rampant with Ice Cream Van drivers trying to overtake each other and steal the best route which ultimately led to the murder of almost an entire family.

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Harris, Gillian. 1998. "Ice-cream killers back in jail after year of freedom." The Times, February 11: 3.

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Newsroom, The. 2004. "Who did kill the Doyles?" The Scotsman, March 21.

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The Times, September 7: 3.—. 1984. "Life for ice cream killers."

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The Times, September 4: 3.—. 1981. "Three jailed for part in ice cream war." The Times, December 23: 3.

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Brief Summary

The Glasgow Ice Cream Wars led to the brutal murder of the Doyle family amid a violent turf war among ice cream vendors.

Key points

The Glasgow Ice Cream Wars. A brutal gang war over ice cream routes led to shocking violence and murder.
The Rise of Ice Cream Vans. Ice cream vans became essential lifelines for residents in Glasgow's housing estates.
The Ice Cream Wars Begin. The ice cream business becomes a battleground for rival drivers.
Sadie's Van Explosion. Sadie's career as a driver ends when her van explodes.
Police Finally Intervene. After years of violence, police finally take action in the ice cream wars.
Gang War Escalation. The ice cream van trade evolved into a gang war, leading to shocking violence.

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