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crime [Music] thank you [Music] [Music] thank you [Music] well I just spoke with Tinley Park's
police chief he tells me this sketch was released on the eve of the anniversary on purpose because people tend to have
the most interest in this cold case this time of year the new 3D image is now hanging inside the police station and
its broadcast everywhere it is an enhanced version of a previous sketch drawn from an eyewitness account in 2008
the new photo uses facial identification technology to make it more lifelike now
whoever that man is entered a Tinley Park Lane Bryant 10 years ago and announced a robbery he ordered a group
of women into a back room tied them up with duct tape and shot five of them dead one of the victims dialed 9-1-1
police released a snippet of that call years ago 9-1-1 emergency police say the suspect's voice can also
be heard on the background of that call detectives have now isolated The Voice although his words are almost
indistinguishable Tinley Park's Chief says one to two new tips come in on the case every week they
hope this sketch and voice recording will give them even more leads can you believe it's been 10 years
no it's time goes by but we've worked on it steadily for 10 years continue to work on it there's five women that that
need us to clear this up foreign [Music] there Captain we hear the news reporter
asking the police chief can you believe it's been 10 years and that's exactly the case here in 2008 five women were
killed inside of the Lane Bryant store in what police would describe as a botched robbery or a robbery turned
violent now you hear the police chief there stating no we cannot believe that it's been 10 years this is a case that
they've worked very hard they've spent millions of dollars trying to find the guy that shot these five women to death
we also still ten years later they have a full-time officer working the case as well as another officer that works the
case part-time over the years of I've heard from this detective that there have been three times throughout
the last 10 years where he believed that they were very close to solving the case
that they had a suspect three times they had a suspect that they like so much they thought that they were going to be
able to provide the families with some justice finally after all these years now at least bring charges to these
suspects and today we know that they currently do not have any suspects or anyone that they have named
publicly as a suspect in this case now I do before we get into some things today
we got a lot to cover we want to go through the 9-1-1 call we want to go through some vehicles that were in the
area at the time some things that could lead us into some thoughts about our suspect here but before we do so Captain
I kind of wanted to highlight some pieces of the investigation along the way so in the very early parts of the
investigation remember we said that that police had one thing working in their advantage and that was the a Tinley Park
police officer was parked in a vehicle just that was adjacent to the parking lot of the Lane Bryant at the time of
the 9-1-1 call yeah about 200 yards away yes so this officer was on the scene within just a couple of minutes yeah a
couple minutes after that there's going to be multiple law enforcements that are
going to be at the scene yeah they're they're showing up and arriving to the area multiple Police Department
Apartments the the Chicago PD helicopter was was in the air shortly after the crime was discovered so what's so weird
here Captain is that we have this guy that he kills these women he walks out of the store we can see the huge police
response that's going on in the area almost immediately afterwards and yet somehow this guy is able to disappear as
soon as he leaves the store he's not highly noticeable he's he gets away somehow he's able to slip back into the
fold or hide in the background well and we but we do have on video camera two cars that that left one being asked you
V one being a sedan now police investigated they did investigate whether the killer had any connections
to one of the victims um because as we had stated in the last episode most robbers probably wouldn't
hit a clothing store early in the morning and probably wouldn't stay 40 minutes like this guy did for the first
51 days of the investigation nearly 50 investigators worked to find the Lane Bryant killer together they logged over
30 000 hours on the case the the cost of the investigation surpassed four hundred
thousand dollars this was just in the first 51 days another interesting thing here Captain
when we talk about the pursuit of this man the pursuit of the killer that fled police even locked down stores in the
area including a Super Target PetSmart and Office Max searching the area with guns drawn this
case has been it's been interesting to research in the sense that I know a guy that lives in the greater
Chicago area he's not in law enforcement but he's familiar with law enforcement and so he and I over the past couple
weeks have been trading a lot of emails back and forth about this case and one thing that he told me was that his his
name we'll call him Greg I didn't get it permission if I'm allowed to use his name I'll just uh but anyway one thing
he told me was that his wife had been in a store that was just within a mile of the Lane Bryant store at the time of the
killings and she was at this place called dinner by Design and she was there with several friends
of hers and the during this time the Tinley police stormed in they they had their hands on their holsters some of
them had guns drawn and they locked the door behind them when they came in to search the business now once the
business was cleared they told everybody what had happened and said that everybody needed to stay
inside and they locked the doors as they left the uh the store and then went on to clear another store so they were they
were heavily heavily in pursuit of this man with cars helicopters and on foot well not only the immediate response was
huge by law enforcement but they've continued to work this heavily and use every technology that they can yeah and
they've allowed this to take them down some different Avenues in pursuit of this person they even used the IRS to do
some background searches for them they used NASA they had NASA pool satellite images of
vehicles that were in Lots outside of the store within minutes of shots being fired the secret service has helped with
phone records foreign police agencies have run ballistics tests for this case Illinois State Police have screened
weapons that get turned in or brought back to see if they can match it to the handgun that was used by the Killer and
I'm assuming that they probably ran the DNA as well that's a that's an interesting question
and I do do you want to get into that now because I know you're kind of chomping at the bit to get at that let
me I'll tell you what let me wrap this up real quick so I don't forget something
okay I just wanted to mention that in this year alone to show you the activity involved in the community here is that
just this year alone they have they have received 87 leads that were called in and over the course of the 10 years
they've investigated and received more than 7 000 leads total since the murders so investigators have gone as far as
London to check new fingerprint technology on the shell casings that were found that day in the village
Tinley Park has spent nearly two million dollars on this investigation so the detectives have continued to filter
through these leads up to this day they're going to continue to do so they've they've categorized and logged
all these leads and they've investigated them all so a huge effort as you had had
stated now regarding the DNA this is a big point of contention for me and it doesn't seem to be a point of
contention for anybody else when you start looking into this case and what I mean by that is
I'm not convinced that either a that they have DNA or that they have good DNA right and here's here's my thoughts on
this and okay so in doing research for this case one one place that it led me and I
think you you fell into this as well was Reddit there's a lot of discussion about this
case on Reddit yeah and it's I love Reddit by the way it's yeah but it's as far as a resource it's not always the
best investigative tool because there's there's a lot of conversation on there there's a big conversation on there
that's that's a unique one and a good idea a very good idea is that the reason why this case might not be solved is
that all these years police have said that they're looking for a man yeah where where in fact this might be a
woman aha um that's my gut feeling for whatever reason before we even you know research this at all for what for
whatever reason I was watching some report uh some old news report and I just went I don't think it's a man
well and then my first response to that is well they have DNA right and my first
thought then would be well if they have DNA and they've said for 10 years that they're looking for a man they wouldn't
want to screw up their investigation they need the Public's help here right they would not want to screw up their
investigation and say that they're looking for a man when in fact it's a woman that they would never do that so
that has led people to believe that they've tested the DNA that they had and it's the the evidence points to it being
a man right but maybe they don't have good enough DNA that's where I question this whole thing yeah or
what if you you have eyewitness right we have a surviving witness and for the record she's always said it's a man
right she believes it to be a man which I think we're calling her Martha yes so Martha says I believe that this guy it
was a man then they get the DNA back from under the fingernails possibly because we have
fingernail clippings and we get touch DNA back possibly right and then they test it and they go oh well there's some
female DNA here this must be the victim's DNA and that is a contaminant right well
because if it were separate they could decipher that it's separate and they could figure out that it came from the
victim you know they would they would test the victim as well ah but not always I mean we've seen cases where
they've tested people and then accusations that you know somebody's kid is not their kid that was you know I
mean so I see what you're saying so Labs can get this wrong so but I just wonder
if that threw them off and they were like well this DNA evidence is no good because we don't have uh any sign of
male DNA evidence in this test is what I'm saying I I think you lost me because I I think the the counter argument has
always been it has to be a man because they have DNA evidence right but I don't think that was why they think it's a man
I think they think it's a man because of eyewitness and I have not seen anywhere
that they said we tested DNA evidence and it's a man thank you thank you now now here sorry
I'm a little frustrated all right but before we get too far into this captain my my gut feeling is that it's that it's
a man but I'm you're my boy I'm gonna take you back here my boy blue well and the reason why I will not discredit the
the possibility of it being a woman is this anytime that I've seen a debate on if it's a man or a woman the the
the person always tries to end the debate supporting the fact that it's a man by stating they have DNA they would
know if it's a man or a woman they've always said it's a man so it has to be a man
like you just said though researching this case for two weeks I couldn't find anywhere I couldn't find I
couldn't find it printed in any newspaper I couldn't find it where the video footage of of a officer a
detective a police chief at any time outrightly stating we have DNA of this suspect they they always hint that they
might have DNA they always throw out statements that would suggest that they have DNA that doesn't mean that they
have DNA on this guy or girl this what this means is they could be trying to put this person off kilter they could
probably be trying to put this person off ease we have DNA that you left at the crime scene because we have
fingernail clippings or we found blood underneath one of the victims fingernails there were things that were
left at the crime scene this just implies that they have DNA they never outwardly state that they 100 percent do
and not only did you were you unable to find that I was unable to find that and I emailed my friend quote unquote Greg
in Chicago who was well aware of this case and he said the same thing at no point have I ever come across where the
police are outwardly saying that they in fact have DNA and to further that that they've tested it to confirm that it's a
man so I think if that's going to be your argument your counter punch there it doesn't work for me because when you
throw that out there and you state that that is that is a fact please post that link underneath your
argument so we can verify that check the box and make sure that it's no longer a
concern so this is where we give the homework portion uh from time to time on the show Captain if anybody if anybody
finds can find a link where there is a officer directly involved in this investigation that is being quoted in a
newspaper or being interviewed and and we can see the words coming out of their mouth that they have DNA please post a
link to that on our blog at truecrime garage.com right and so the other problem too is that they said that this
in the suspect was possibly five nine to six foot tall so you're talking about a
gap maybe three inches but now if you go three inches lower now you're talking about a gap of five or a height of five
six to five nine which would be more stereotypical female height so I I don't know and then the big thing
for me is the 9-1-1 call now what police have stated or multiple media sources have stated as they believe that you can
hear the suspect's voice on the 9-1-1 call yes so do you want to get to that yes
let's go ahead and play the 911 clip that we played yesterday on the line stay on the line let me get
you to Tinley Park don't hang up Captain real quick here I want to throw this out to the listeners there's a
toll-free number out there where you can call and you can hear a longer version of this 9-1-1 call and they actually
replay the portion that they believe to be the suspect which is heard in the background and on our clip that we just
played you can hear the suspect well what we believe to be the suspect a little bit in the background as well now
we didn't include this version on the show because frankly the audio that the captain just provided that 911 clip that
is shorter the audio from that is much better than a lot of the stuff out there even that what you will hear on this
toll-free number but the number for anybody out there that's interested and this is also where you can provide tips
too and that's the key thing with this number here the number is 866-853-6222 and that's a number that
has been put up and paid for by the 10 Lee Park Police Department again that number is
866-853-6222 you can call that and hear a longer version of the clip and you could leave a tip there as well with
your information now let's talk about that 9-1-1 clip a little bit here Captain because
there is a portion that they do not play In that clip that we played and it's where you can hear what is believed to
be the suspect talking before Rhoda hangs up the phone with 9-1-1 now what I did because
I had I had a lot of trouble trying to decipher to decipher what this suspect is saying and so what I did was I got
online and I did a bunch of hunting around and I thought you know what Let's find let's find the general consensus of
others out there of what they believe that they are hearing now mind you this is very choppy a lot of it's not full
sentences but some of the things that are believed to be being said by the suspect in the background is as follows
that after the after Rhoda is told not to hang up the phone you hear the suspect going on about something
and it's believed that he or she I guess I should say is possibly saying the following relax
get over here you're such a hero right now that you're such a hero right is is a um one portion
of the tape that is highly talked about but it seems the general consensus seems to be that the
word hero is somewhere in there because I've seen other versions that are very close to that that says something like
don't be a hero huh or you don't want to be a hero right um so something about a hero
it's also believed to be heard that he says you're going to die you're lucky and I'm losing it now during the course
this is one thing that we are not hearing in Tinley Park police have been upfront about this
during the course of that suspect kind of rambling on and it actually sounds like he is kind of directing the
hostages or yelling directly at one of them in the background there are responses from the victims that are in
the room with him that the police have edited out before it was released to the public right so there's more information
on the original tape that they're not going to release and I think probably for good reason but
the one thing that I seem to be able to make out pretty clearly is that one line
of I'm losing it now I don't know that I hear exactly that maybe a different slightly different version of that
sentence but the word losing seems to be pretty clear at some point in this audio
at the beginning I hear almost like a yo I'm tired of yelling yeah so let's just
play the clip one more time stay on the line stay on the line let me get you to Tinley Park don't hang up
well let me just Loop the one part where it's you can clearly tell it's somebody
else like the third person if you will on the call the suspect we're at one more time
stay on the line right so if I have to mimic that right it's like yo um right well what I hear is
and this is not this is not a portion of the tape that we've analyzed I don't know that others have tried to figure
out what the suspect is saying there because the the whispering coming from the victim and the dispatcher so
prominent here right I don't know that this has been but it's not important that's what I'm saying what's not
important what I'm saying is not that important on what the person in the background saying if this is the suspect
what I'm doing is just yo [Music] right that's that's my point on making it more of a it's a it's a woman's voice
it's a woman's range I mean you'd think of as a man and be like yo I'm tired of yelling that's way down
here we're talking you have to go up pretty high and the mail register to to hit What notes they're that they're
saying I mean even when you speak you're speaking in notes does that make sense so that's what I'm saying to me it's
like it doesn't even matter what they're saying it's like to I audibly hear if that is the suspect in the background
and not a victim because we do have uh well we have one victim on the phone so we have four other victims that would be
in the room if if they believe they're that they're not talking and that is the suspect to me that's a female voice
right and and but at the same time though I kind of point out what I think I hear the person to be saying because
I think that tells you if it is the suspect or if it is one of the other victims it because to me it almost
sounds like the person is saying I'm tired of yelling looking for blah blah blah almost like the person is
is announcing to the people that they've taken hostage that I'm tired of asking you all these questions why isn't buddy
anybody telling me the answers I want to know I'm looking for this I'm looking for this and then I'm going to leave I'm
getting tired of you not helping me out I came here looking for money and I've not found very much money now I
understand I I get your point because when you isolate that spot on the tape and you play it back the couple of times
that you did is the pitch higher than I anticipated hearing knowing that I believe the suspect to be a man the
answer is yes that pitch is higher than I anticipated to hear however I I just you know our our voices do
funny things um everything does funny I'm just stating that this is uh do some funny
things this is a heightened situation this is not a calm situation on either part the victims or the suspect and I
know that sometimes when people are yelling some people project a higher pitch at times uh thrown into a
stressful situation somebody's pitch could go up or down uh depending on their emotion at the time as well with
this individual is angry or scared themselves who knows what their voice could do but I agree with you Captain a
higher pitch than I would anticipate uh regarding a male suspect of that size 9-1-1 emergency
stay on the line stay on the line let me get you to Tinley Park don't hang up [Music]
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it's not your birthday nothing happened but uh you know usually somebody goes cheers somebody else goes cheers and
then you move on um okay surveillance footage now one thing we've touched upon a little bit
here Captain there were some surveillance footage some video taken from the Target Superstore across the
street now it's estimated that these cameras well not estimated it's reported that these cameras were roughly a
hundred yards away from the what we're about to talk about and this being two vehicles that were spotted in the lane
in front of the Lane Bryant store that were leaving the parking lot around the same time as it's estimated that the
suspect was leaving yeah here's a couple problems with this first of all is the time correct on surveillance like
in many cases that we've covered there's been cameras but the the times weren't correct right so that is one thing that
we have to think about with this surveillance well I I think we can the I've seen the time stamps on the
surveillance footage and it is a little off of this Mark a bit but the report that I found that I find
to be the most credible states that they believe that these vehicles were seen exiting or leaving those spots sometime
between 10 46 and 10 49 a.m so that'd be off the the time would be off on the on
the actual tape correct just slightly um a few minutes and I think I think the time stamp on the surveillance footage
if I remember correctly is slightly ahead of that it's running a little faster than that but the way that they
can kind of determine how accurate the time is is we have within you know within maybe minutes or seconds even we
have a general idea of what time the police officer is going to state that he arrived on the scene so once once they
can confirm using the other surveillance footage what time these vehicles were seen leaving they can compare that in
comparison to when the officer arrived to see how close they can get to that time now what are we seeing in the video
well first off anybody out there that has seen this video will 100 back me up on this this is some grainy footage
right that was taken from approximately 100 yards away and you police have even commented on this to the point of
stating that you know while this is helpful to the investigation what it does not allow them to do because of the
distance is read license plate numbers right or to possibly identify people that might be sitting inside these
vehicles but what it does show is a small black SUV and a black sedan now both of these vehicles are at the at the
Lane Bryant and then leaving around the time of the shooting so the thought here
is when police are asking the community for help you know the first thing that they're
going to ask is that the driver of of these vehicles come forward right you know if you were if you were at Lane
Bryant around this time and this is your car come forward we just want to talk to
you see if you saw anything even if you think it's nothing we want to know what you know I find one thing a little
interesting here though if you listen to early reports it states that police are looking for
the driver of the small black SUV as well as the black sedan then if you fast forward like months later
they seem to still be looking for the driver of the small black SUV but we don't we don't hear them outwardly
asking for the driver of the black sedan to come forward so I don't know if that
means that that person has come forward identified themselves told them what they know and it's nothing and they want
their identity to remain anonymous it's generally believed that the driver of the SUV could be our suspect yeah and
I've seen on several sites we talked specifically about the Reddit site where they did name
um several possible models makes and models of that SUV that's how bad the footage is that being a Honda or a Kia
possibly a Toyota I I've not been able to find where police have stated we believe it was this make this model this
year nowhere could I find that so for purposes of staying on task I think that we can continue to report that it is a
small black SUV that is in question and again it seems to be that out of these two vehicles it's believed that the
suspect might have been in that fleeing the scene in that small black SUV well what's important about this is if you
knew about this case lived in the area if there was somebody that you possibly suspected could have done this then you
kind of reverse engineer it did they have a black SUV a small black SUV that they would be able to use now one thing
I also want to point out there that we heard in an earlier clip today that we use for today's trailer the start of the
show was that you heard the reporter stating that 10 years on the 10-year anniversary
of this case uh of the shooting at Lane Bryant and it being unsolved now for 10 years that police released a 3D
composite sketch of our suspect and I like this Captain because to me when I look at this 3D version and if if
anybody of anybody out there is familiar with this case and hasn't done any internet sleuthing on it in a while I
beg you to get on your computers on your tablet and check some stuff out because
that 3D image is one it's very haunting you almost feel like you're staring directly at the face of the person that
did this that's how detailed it looks to me and put that on the website and Instagram Twitter Facebook all that
stuff and to the original composite sketch I felt was pretty General it didn't I don't felt like it gave me a
good sense of what I should be looking for who I should be looking for as where the the detailed 3D account was much
better for that well I feel like we've covered a lot do you have any questions that you think we should go over well
that's a big part of the frustration regarding this case yes I do feel like we've covered a lot I feel like we've
answered some questions however I feel like there's a lot of questions out there and again I know we we say this a
lot we sound like a broken record we understand that the investigation has to hold some things back I feel like there
are a few items out there that could really help especially after 10 years when you're really asking the public to
come forward and help you out with this situation yeah and the sketch will help but it would be nice if there's some
other piece of information that they could give us well and that that's what I mean here and I wonder if you know
what are they holding on to is what they've released is that just the tip of the iceberg I mean they've released what
they believe to be a 3D composite sketch of the suspect right they've released video footage of a possible suspect
vehicle we've also heard Snippets of the 9-1-1 call where you can kind of hear the
suspect in the background shouting or yelling or or communicating with the hostages right the some things that I
call in a question here though is we we get a nice good description of what the suspect was wearing that day even down
to the point of the potential thought there might have been uh some type of packaging tape or duct tape in the
suspect's coat pocket possible that the suspect had manicured fingernails but the weird thing here is we we also
hear that the suspect may have left behind a baseball cap if that's the case can we just say for
sure if that happened and two can we see what that thing looked like that team wasn't right or or well actually I I say
baseball cap as a general term um and I think it's been reported that way but it could just be some kind of
hat right a baseball style hat right um so maybe no team on it but it could be a company could be any there's a lot
of indicators on there that could help get you to the conclusion of the identity of this person you know people
can recognize an article of clothing just as well as they can a grainy via surveillance footage of a vehicle or a
possible composite sketch of the actual suspect was there in fact the hat that was left behind if so what does it look
like I would love you know I would love if they would release pictures of that the other item too
I I wish that forget the DNA I'm gonna get over the DNA we don't need to know if they have
DNA or not they can they can handle that portion of it but I think these things are a little more simpler that I have
glad you're going to let them handle that I'm going to let I'm going to let that go but here's the other thing the
possibility that the suspect remember we said that he was using the ruse of some
type of delivery and he had papers with him that were supposed to be a part of that delivery well here's my guess I'm
guessing that you know these women that were at the store these are not dumb ladies there was something on those
papers that that guy had and what I mean by that is that he's not going to be able to walk in there with some blank
pieces of paper or something that has nothing to do with anything at all and just be able to go hey I'm here to do
this delivery my name's Joe you know in in in Rhoda and these other ladies fall for it
she was doing preventative measures to call another store thinking that there was a potential mix-up in some kind of
delivery now yes he could have likely found some pieces of paper somewhere that looked like they're from a delivery
he could have grabbed an invoice from somewhere else but what I'm getting at is there was enough
information on those pieces of paper that he was carrying with him and there's many reports that state that he
left those at the scene that the police recovered those right at the very least could we find out when do they still
exist and B what was printed on those papers is there anything on those papers that
would provide any type of information that could lead us to a potential suspect meaning why all these years
later haven't these papers been released to the public to help with this investigation and it could be something
as simple as these were papers that this person took from where they worked they
took them out of somebody's car just like the baseball hat there's there's a million ways that somebody can see
something somebody can see the right information and piece it together and you get that
phone call you get that tip that you need you're you're wearing me out man I'm wearing you out uh you just
you're so uh uh passionate well the thing here's the thing we've seen plenty of cases where we're sitting there 15 20
25 years later and they're like oh yeah okay we have this piece of information we have this piece of evidence we've
been holding on to it since day one let us show you the general public this now and ask for your help about it now and
at some point it gets to be too late right it just get I don't want to be sitting here 20 years from now and
they're like here's here's the papers here's the ball cap tell us what you think yeah
yeah so what do you think on this case as far as a suspect goes let me let me go go through this one at a time here I
only got two things to go through yeah okay so one before the other but the first one is the K the case is very
strange to me in the sense that it seems like a strange Target unless this person
was just looking for a few hundred dollars but to me that that would be like a smash and grab that would be like
get in there create as little chaos as possible yeah get your 200 300 and then get the hell out of there that's not
what happened in this situation for some reason this person decided that they needed to take these
individuals to the back room what is what is reported as a an employee break room in the back
which seems like a strange place to me I thought I thought with the ruse of the delivery that you're trying to work one
of two angles either a you're trying to get into the store before it opens up where either you think that there's more
money involved in the robbery or where you won't have to encounter any customers
so if you're not if you're not using it to do that and he was aware that the store was open then the only other
reason for using the ruse of of a delivery is to maybe work your way into the back parts of the store into the
office of the store without causing a commotion out in the storefront you know on the floor as they say
maybe that's what he was using these papers for but it seems like a strange Target to me it's strange it seems like
a strange way to carry out a crime the other thing too is if you worked your way back to the office using those
papers it sounds to me the additional customers came in later while this robbery was in
progress so he took time out from what he was doing to go and capture these two individuals take them to the same
location and bind them as well it sounds to me like we have a situation I don't I don't know why he was in that
store for as long as he was the the sexual why he would rob a store like that anyways well in the sexual
component to this is very weird as well now I know it's not terribly uncommon for for an offender to fondle one of the
hostages or say weird sexual things to one of the hostages I know it's not terribly uncommon but it seems odd to me
that this individual picked Elaine Bryant store where you might expect to find nothing but females there right and
then that sexual aspect occurred if if money was the thing why aren't you just getting your money and getting the hell
out of there yeah it could be sexually motivated and then the 911 call 9-1-1 call was placed
that spooked him they had to get out of there or this person's incredibly unstable
because it it's Ah that's what I think it's it's either there's a sexual component to it or this person got in
there didn't really know what they were doing started losing control fast or got
angry because whatever or however much money they thought they would get they didn't get and they got angry at the
hostages and then like you said now they're already angered and then they find out about the 911 call they Panic
or they're angered more and they're going to take out that anger on all of those women there now my theories on who
this person is they're not super detailed um but my gut tells me that this person
is not local to Tinley Park in any way the the 2010 demographics of the area it would have been
88.8 Caucasian 3.7 percent African-American and 3.9 percent Asian so just playing the
numbers there would tell me that this individual might not be local to the area plus I also do not think that it's
any coincidence that the Interstate 80 is right there right there by the scene right by the store he could have walked
into any store that he wanted he chose that store for a specific reason I also believe
that this was not the first time this was this may be the only time this man was ever in this Lane Bryant store
meaning he didn't case the joint in advance for this robbery and I have two points
to this thought one the guy walks in and it's thought that he was looking at the
ceiling looking for cameras and two the surviving witness who worked at the store
you know this the majority of the time the Super majority of the time the clientele is
strictly female at this store not male and so it's possible that if this man had been in the store before that he
might have stood out in some form that may have been memorable to her right and she doesn't there's we don't have any
evidence that she has seen this person before the day so that that's my only thoughts on it that
the guy probably wasn't local and I do believe that was his first and only time in that store all right
is that your thought done that's as much as I have okay well you keep saying he and I'm gonna
keep saying she I believe that this is a female I believe that the surviving witness did
not get a good enough look at this individual um I think maybe she heard this individual
and it was maybe of a more of a male tone to begin with and so that's she's assuming she saw a man
that's just what my gut is telling me that's also what my ears are telling me when I listen back and if that is the
suspect on that 9-1-1 call to me that sounds like a female why I think it's more of a
you know Superbikes type thing where this individual she went into this Lane Bryant at some
point she you know had bad service something I don't think the motivation was to rob
the store I think the motivation was some type of Revenge and that's why let's gather up
all these people and let's put them in the back and let's duct tape them I don't know how long the person thought
they were going to be in there for but I think once that 911 call went out and she saw it she killed all the people and
then she left and I think she left in the small black SUV and most men I would you know maybe this
is sexist on some level but it's like most men will drive bigger SUVs women will
drive smaller SUVs so that's and the manicured fingernails that would make that make sense and there's just little
things that are really hard to explain in this case but they start making a little more sense like the cornrows with
the braid in front starts making a little more sense when you go well that's that's more of the way a
female would do their hair so that's just what my gut is telling me and that's what my ears are telling me
and I think it was something like where the person felt wronged and they were going to prove a point you know or
they're going to kill people I mean this this person is psycho well and that's that's what I mean and I'm you know I'm
sticking with my thoughts but that's what I mean and I like that you bring up the super bike case that we've covered
here because that was really when once that thing was solved you're like holy [ __ ] this whole time the motivation
would make no for this murders in this crime would make zero sense to anybody but the person that perpetrated the
crime right and the biggest problem I have with this Lane Bryant case is why if they were there to Rob why did they
stay in the store for so long 40 minutes is a long time when you're trying to rob
the store especially that's why the the phone call from the manager to another store would be important to me because
if 25 minutes of that was this quote-unquote delivery person just standing around waiting for information
right then then 40 minutes doesn't seem so long but if that phone call happened within minutes of that individual
walking into the store this person stayed in this store for an incredibly amount of long amount of time right and
furthermore here's what you wonder on your part if this was a Revenge killing or if this was for reasons we
will never understand then how long did this individual intend on staying in the store was it only the
9-1-1 call that stopped them from staying who's to say this person wouldn't have stayed in there as long as
possible and kept picking off the right individuals as they come in each customer comes in they are quickly
escorted to the back room they're bound and they become another hostage so I I like where you're thinking is the
other thing too with the surviving Witness it may have in a hyper panic situation
like this it may have simply been enough that if a female offender was wearing Male clothing right that might have
thrown her off and she might fully believe that she saw a male when in fact it was a female all right so I guess I'm
right you're not right but it's my birthday so I'm right no I I don't think you're wrong I'm just not changing my
opinion but you're just not gonna say I'm right here we go Captain So speaking of females this week's recommended
reading we are recommending hell's princess The Mystery of belgunis the Butcher of men by Harold Schechter and
I've mentioned his name before on this fabulous show that we do I've also recommended his books before Harold
Schechter is one hell of an author and one of the best researchers out there so I recommend that you pick up hell's
princess this is the definitive rendering of one of the most brutal of all females serial killers this book had
me on the edge of my seat into the last page so check out Harold schechter's new
book Hell's princess and if you're ever looking for good true crime books to read make sure you go to our website
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10 years ago a man walked into a Lane Bryant clothing store posing as a delivery man. He announced a holdup and began taking women to a back room where they were bound with tape. One of the brave ladies managed to call 911. The robbery escalated and turned very violent. Before fleeing he shot all six ladies. Despite police arriving on the scene within minutes of the 911 call the killer managed to get away. Police have spent millions of dollars trying to catch this man. Was this a robbery gone very bad or are there bigger motives at play? Beer of the Week - Grinderpunch by Soundgrowler Brewing Garage Grade - 4 out of 5 bottle caps

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the unsolved Lane Bryant murders, police investigation, and theories about the suspect's identity.

Key points

Ten Years Later. A police chief reflects on the decade-long investigation of a cold case.
New Sketch Released. A new 3D sketch of the suspect is unveiled, hoping to generate new leads.
Investigation Efforts. The investigation has received over 7,000 leads in ten years, costing nearly two million dollars.
The 911 Call. A chilling 911 call reveals the suspect's voice may be heard in the background.
The Hero Debate. Discussion about the term 'hero' in a tense situation.
Unreleased Tape Insights. Details about the unreleased tape and its implications.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

There's five women that need us to clear this up.

Police chief discussing the ongoing investigation

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Tension

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