Episode 785: Torture! | Forensic Files

Hey weirdos. I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is Morbid. Okay. Did you guys catch that? That
actually was not Big Red. I mean, I do a pretty good impression if you ask me. But guys, Big Red is feeling not so not
not big good. She's kind of feeling big bad, I would say. So, I'm here to introduce this episode on the ones and
twos all by myself. I actually feel probably the weirdest that I've ever felt. I think I recorded one episode by
myself like way back in the laundry room days. And it's very weird to just stare
at your computer and not another person. So all you solo um podcasters out there,
I really give you a lot of credit because how do you do it, honey? Okay, before we get into today's case, which
is going to be a little revisit, I believe this one is the med uh medieval torture episode, which like wow, we're
really throwing it way back there, dolls. I think this might be when I asked if eagles had what did I say?
Cubs. If eagles had cubs. So, the good news is I'm more educated now. They don't have cubs in case you're not as
educated as me back then or the same level of educated that I was apparently. Anyways, uh before we get into today's
episode, we have two pieces of exciting news for you. Numero Uno is if you're not on the social media, you don't know
the big cool news. We partnered with Huntter Killer who was one of our actually not one of our very first
sponsor on this show. So that is like the coolest thing ever that like this is just such a full circle moment. We
collabed with them and we've been working for the past like I don't even know how many months but months and
months and months of work has gone into this and we developed a game with them called the Salem Slicer. I mean can you
think of a more perfect name for a game? The Salem Slicer like that has Elena and
Ash and Hunter Killer written all over it. So that is our new game collab. It's available right now for pre-order at
Walmart, which is really freaking cool. Never did I ever think I'd have a game in Walmart. It is a very, very fun game.
There's all these clues. You have to solve this murder. It's from the 1980s. It's obviously based in Salem. So,
basically, the game starts with this young woman named Abigail. She finds this box of evidence basically in her
father's attic. And all of this evidence and like all these newspaper clippings and these kind of just like weird
snapshots, I guess you could say, are in this box in her dad's attic and they're
all tied to the Salem Slicer. And she's like, "Hold up. Is my own father, my my flesh and blood father the Salem Slicer?
Like that would change our lives because this case is way back in the 1980s." So
Abigail starts investigating and now it's your turn to start investigating because you need to solve the case of
the Salem Slicer. And if you think that that sounds like the bee's knees, if you
think that's just the coolest thing in the world, which like you definitely should, then you need to head over to
Walmart to pre-order the game. Elena and I are so stoked about this. So that's that. That's one piece of incredibly
exciting news. And guess what? It's not over, doll faces. I got more for you. I truly feel like I'm hosting my own radio
show just like in the dark right now. It's really weird to talk to you guys completely by myself. But I love you. I
feel close to you like this. So, second piece of news is Nicholas. Listen, listen. I know Nicholas is a
controversial figure, but most of you love Nicholas. And if you say that you don't, I think you're maybe a little bit
of a liar. Maybe a little bit of a liar, honey. I don't know. Or maybe you just don't know how to have fun. I'm just
kidding. If you don't like him, it's fine. But if you do like him, this is really good news for you. There is a new
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So, go check that out. Go pre-order the Salem Slicer and wish my [ __ ] big E. I
never call her my [ __ ] Why did I just say that? My sister. She's my sister. Um, wish her healing vibes. wish her
healing vibes and so that she gets better soon because I don't really want to cut your stomach bug and I also hate
staying away from her and most of you are probably sick of hearing me alone. So maybe you're not. Maybe you love me.
I love you. All right, without further ado, let's get into the case. Hey weirdos, I'm the iron maiden
>> and I'm the brazen bull >> and this is morbid >> medieval. Pass the mutton. Huzzah!
>> Burn some heretics. >> Is this a competition? >> No, I won. >> Woo! Ka and our sound's a little better.
>> Yeah. Do we sound crisper? >> Shout out to our bro Aiden. >> Yeah. >> Does he listen?
>> I think he does. Okay. >> I'll make him listen for this one. >> Yeah. My nephew Aiden. He's amazing. And
he let us take his fancy pants microphone >> and his microphone is way cooler than
our $30 one. >> So, we're going to buy this microphone. >> We are going to buy it and you'll never
have to hear crappy audio. >> Exactly. So hopefully from now on we're going to have crisper, cleaner,
beautiful audio. Well, there was another kind of exciting true crime update this
week >> for a real bad guy. >> You know that you always say he was a bad guy. >> He was a bad guy.
>> A real bad guy. >> Real bad guy. I do say that and it makes me laugh every time you say it
>> cuz the bad guy. >> I'm just very simple with my descriptions. I'm like bad dude, man.
>> Bad boys. Bad boys. What you going to do, dude? Oh, we might get sued for singing that. Let's not sing that.
>> Well, I didn't finish it. I didn't finish it. >> Well, this bad guy is a real bad guy.
>> He's a bad Larry. >> And he's the one that we premiered our podcast with. >> Joseph D'Angelo, the Golden State
Killer. >> E, >> who is also officially the Vaselia Ransacker, too. They've officially said
that he's that guy. >> I mean, we did that. >> And one of the big things this week was
that he was charged with a 13th murder. We had mentioned in the episode that he there was a possibility that he was
involved in the killing of Claude Snelling who was shot while he was stopping the kidnapping of his
16-year-old daughter. >> Oh my god. >> And he died. Um he was a community college teacher. He's officially charged
with that now. So that's good because that family deserves >> When does the trial do they have a date?
>> I don't know. I >> I want to watch it on TV. >> I'm waiting with baited breath. But
>> do you think that it will be televised? Um, I don't know. >> That's all >> to be honest.
>> Well, it'll be on like a snap or like something later. >> Yeah, we'll find out about it later for
sure and we'll hear all the updates. You know, Nancy Grace will be on that [ __ ]
>> Oh god. >> But >> that gives me anxiety. >> I mean, he unfortunately can't be
charged with any of the burglaries or rapes because there's a [ __ ] statue of limitations on rape,
>> which >> So, he can't be charged with any of the rapes. >> He's not charged with any of them. The
statue of limitations But it makes >> it just makes me so angry every time I see it cuz he's charged with more than
50 rapes >> and he's just >> I know he's going to go to jail until he dies, >> but it's like and he's like 400 now. But
it's like I want him to be charged with those. And I'm sure those victims of the
rapes would want him to be held accountable for him. >> They should give them at least some
recognition. Hopefully the judge says something like, "If I could, I would." >> Like a ceremonial charge. Sometimes they
do like you know what I mean though like judges can say like >> oh yeah >> if I could I would.
>> If I could I would. >> Like there was I forget what case it was but she was like if I could I would
sentence you for life but I'm not allowed. >> Yeah. I can't remember. >> And she basically was just like
>> oh in the Joel Riiffken case remember he the judge was like you're a disgusting
monster. >> Mhm. And I want to make sure I think he said like I want to make sure that you
never see freedom in this life or the next or something like that. Like it was something very poetic
>> and very like >> Yeah, boy. >> I I'm not thinking that one though. I'm thinking of a different one and I'm like
watching it in my head right now. >> Are you thinking of the woman judge from the um
>> Yeah, I know exactly where I'm Larry. >> The doctor. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. remember she
went on like this big long rant and it was like through the letter that he wrote that was bitching about how fair
it was. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I hope something like that happens. >> We're talking about the the US gymnast
doctor who is charged with like a billion sexual assaults and rapes cuz he's a monster.
>> Sad [ __ ] guy. >> But yeah, so that's exciting true crime news. >> Hell yeah. But for today, we're going to
bring it way back. We are taking a trip in the way back machine, >> which always says that she would not do
if she had a time machine. >> Oh, I would never go back to the Middle Ages. That is not That is not If you
were like I don't even think it's safe for like dudes to go. >> Well, do you know what I was going to
say? It's really not safe for >> I almost just said I would only go back if I was royalty, but then sometimes
even royalty >> sometimes your head gets chopped off in Yeah. >> Yeah. Especially if you're a woman,
you're really Women are really not safe. >> Yeah, I wouldn't go back there. I also
wouldn't go to the future. >> No, I don't I don't know what to expect. >> No, >> I'd go to like the 70s and the 80s.
>> I'd go back to like the '9s. >> Yeah. I feel like we're in the '9s. >> I'd go watch like Are You Afraid of the
Dark? >> Yeah. >> And just chill. >> Actually, realistically, I'd just go back to when I was like 10 so that I
wouldn't have to work anymore and I would just stay there for a while. >> Just chill for a little while. or I go
to the future because maybe someday like I'll just like have my partner. >> You just said you weren't going to go to
the future. >> No, I just But I was reing your plan. >> I would take a sneak peek.
>> Yeah, there you go. >> And then if it was real bad, I would go real >> step out.
>> Yeah. >> Sniff around, see what's going on, and then get right to >> But if I could be lazy in the future,
I'm all about it. >> Oh, yeah. I think everybody would be all about that. >> Take me there.
>> Who doesn't want to be lazy? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, >> I want to be lazy. mail. >> The mailman just came and scared the
[ __ ] out of me. >> Okay, >> so there's that. >> Yeah, guys, we're actually um recording
in the middle of the day, which is weird cuz we never record in the daytime. >> And I love that we're like more spooked
out during the day. Like at night, >> we're very much like moon dwellers. >> We are like the sun's out. I'm like,
what's happening? Why is it so bright? >> I'm in all black currently. >> This is the worst. Sabrina, the Teenage
Witch is on the television as per us. >> Literally. Should we should we jump on in to
>> so in 57? No, I'm just kidding. >> Today we're going to be covering various methods and devices used in torture.
>> Oh, yeah. So, this is kind of we're going way back cuz these aren't >> not that I know of at least used.
>> And if they are, I don't want to know. >> Except maybe one of them, but we'll
cover that later. >> I kind of have animals. >> Just do it. Actually, it went away.
I really had to. >> All right. So, should I start? >> Yeah. Where Ash is going to do hers and
then I'm going to do a list of mine >> because guess what, weirdos? Ash did some research this week.
>> Ash researched. She's serious. >> At the top of the page is the brazen bull. >> The brazen bull.
>> That's my first um what's it called? My first like >> torture device. >> Device. My first torture device. And it
was invented somewhere between 570 and 554 BC. >> BC. >> So like way way back. >> Yeah.
>> It was invented by Perilos of Athens. >> Perilous is a great name. >> Perolus. Perilos.
>> Perilos. >> Perilos. >> It's like goatee. >> He's just like periling. >> It sounds perilous. So it sounds like
>> Well, just wait. Actually, >> you're dangerous. >> Dangerous. Dangerous. >> Perilous. So, Perilous was a bronze
worker and he designed the Brazen Bull to execute criminals in a super chill way.
>> Yeah, sounds pretty chill so far. >> Actually, I'm kidding. It was really [ __ ] up.
>> Oh, that's weird. >> Yeah. So, the Brazen Bull was a legit statue of a bull and it was hollow but
made of bronze. >> That's pretty. >> So, I read an article on all that'sinteresting.com
and the article was really interesting. >> Yeah, that you know what, that website
has all that is interesting. >> Yeah, it actually does. >> Yeah. But it was described as a human
crockpot >> on this on this website. >> That sounds delicious. >> And potentially the most [ __ ] up
torture device in history. >> Yeah, cuz I use a crockpot often >> for humans, >> but I don't normally put humans in.
>> Yeah, it's just like a like celebratory. >> Usually I throw some like chicken, some
veggies in there, >> right? >> But after this, maybe I'll give it a shot. >> Yeah. I hope it's not with me though cuz
you need a podcast host. >> That's true. >> Okay, cool. Bye. Yeah, it won't be for
you. >> All right. So, basically in ancient Greece, there was a colony which is a
Craig or Krogus. >> I love it. >> Um, it's not Sicily. So, >> I like that better.
>> Just Sicily. >> I'm just going to call it Sicily. >> Yeah. And it was ruled by a tyrant named
Faris. So, don't get yourself mixed up. There's Perilous. There's >> Faris. It's a lot of peas.
>> All right. He ruled with an iron first. >> Wait, wait, I just got confused. >> Not too far. Okay.
>> Perilous foris. According to Aiden, we don't need a pop filter on this. So >> So that's exciting.
>> Hopefully we'll pop. >> Yeah. So we can go and it's not gonna piss you off. >> Your eyes got wicked wide, which is kind
of terrifying. >> So Faris was a giant [ __ ] >> I felt like he would be, >> but Perilos was like, "Oh my god, I'm
going to make this brass ball torture vice and my master is going to think it's super dope
>> because he's a big dick." Yeah, he's a dick and I'm gonna make him a dickish invention so that he thinks I'm looking
cool. >> Yeah. >> So, >> I see his train of thought. I'm with him. I smell what he's stepping in.
>> So, how he designed it is that the person gets put inside the bowl and then a fire is lit underneath.
>> Ah, the crockpot aspect. >> Yeah. So, basically the poor mofo just like burns alive.
>> Fun. >> Yeah, it's it's really chill. I wonder if they have like a low and high setting
like a crock pot where you can like simmer them on low for a little while. Well, I think in that case you would
just make a small fire. >> Oh, there you go. >> And then you could just keep adding wood
to >> fire. So then you would get you would get more tender meat. >> You know, this was BC. It was like they
had to just work with what they had. >> Yeah. >> But I feel like they were on it.
>> No, this is like some like modernday [ __ ] Like I was like, Perilous, how did
you come up with this? >> Who you be paralyzed? >> Like how'd you know this? So he designed
it so that the pipes and whistles that he like put inside the bull convert the screams of those inside to sounds of a
bull snorting and grunting. So this poor like so is like but the people on the outside are like
like that's what it sounds like. Is that what a bull sounds like? >> The bulls just walk around going
>> well. Can you do your best bull impression then please? >> I like that one to be honest. I'm just
picturing bulls walking around being like, >> "Well, bulls are mad. They're just like
grunting." >> [ __ ] you. >> I like that he foned it though. Like he made it fun.
>> He did. >> He literally added the bells and whistles onto it. >> Well, so you know, he made it really
fun. >> Yeah. >> But supposedly he was the first victim of it. >> Oo, saw that coming, I feel.
>> Yeah. He told Farisaris, sorry, I just totally lost my train of thought. That's
fine. Um, so supposedly he told Fararis, "Goodbye." >> He told that guy. >> So he said to this guy, "His screams
will come to you through the pipes as the tenderest, most pathetic, most melodious of bellowings."
>> Ooh. >> And Faris was really disgusted by that because he was messed up, but he was
like, "That's messed up." But he was like, "I have a line." >> Yeah. And you just went way past.
>> Every tyrant dictator person has a line. >> And this was part of Fellaris' line. So
he was so disgusted that he threw him inside. He threw Perilous inside. >> And in my notes I wrote, Floris was so
disgusted that he threw Faris inside. >> But he threw Paralos. So he just jumped
right in there. >> He just threw himself. >> He's like, "You know what? Goodbye,
cruel world. Light that fire. >> I hate that people like you exist. I'm just jumping in here."
>> Yeah. No, he threw Paralyos inside to test out the sound system >> just to just to test it out.
>> He wanted to know. We're just going to give it a shot, >> but >> we just want to adjust the sound.
>> Yeah. Just like >> adjust the bass and the tempo a little bit, >> right? >> Jump in there real quick.
>> You know, just like let's let's see what we're working with. >> Yeah. >> So, it's unclear if he got pulled out
before he died inside or if he was killed after. But either way, Flores had Perilous killed.
>> I imagine he probably did it in the Brazen Bull because they were like poetic as [ __ ] back then and they were
like, "Oh, you made this, so we're going to burn you in it." Well, either way he
died because >> I just thought of something really gross. >> The smell. >> Well, that but also, can you imagine
being the person that has to like clean inside of it between people? >> Do you think they even did that?
>> Probably not, but it's like when you open that thing, it's probably just like
people juice all up in there. >> Yeah, >> that's nasty. Maybe they just like emptied it out into like I mean the
person who wants to empty that [ __ ] out. >> They just throw their poop in the street
back then. But it's just like >> I just >> you just like turn your head the other
way and toss it out the window. >> You know what it is? I have like this weird thing where I don't like wet food.
>> No, that's not a weird thing. >> Like when you know how when you put a plate in the sink like someone will put
a full either and food gets soggy. >> Yeah, >> that >> like the stuff that gets caught in the
drain for a long time. >> Rips me out. I can't. So, I just imagine like soggy people and that's that's real
bad. >> That's kind of like how raisins remind me of old people. >> Exactly. Yeah, it's exactly the same.
>> I just I don't know. You said soggy people, so I thought of just like really old people.
>> You thought of saggy people. >> Yes, >> I see where the connection was made. >> Okay, so the next one is the Iron
Maiden. The Iron Maiden. >> Not the band. >> So metal. Is that one of their songs?
That's definitely one of their songs. >> I don't know a single sounded just like
it. >> I'm sure. >> Yeah. >> Asha did a really good air guitar up by her shoulder.
>> Well, I'm really >> It was like an air violin. >> Oh, it was like one of those people that
you watched. Two cellos. >> Yes. I love two cellos. >> Yeah. I bet they could cover an Iron
Maiden song. Now I'm just itching my >> They probably have covered an Iron Maiden song now that I think about it.
They've covered an AC/DC song. Thong. Oh man. All right. Well, we're not talking about the band. This is the
torture device. >> Yeah. And it comes to you straight from the likes of Miss Trumbles the Chokey.
>> Oh snap. Bringing it back to Matilda. >> And if you don't get that reference,
then get out of my face. >> I also thought that you were going to say it it comes straight to you. Like it
>> Yeah, it just somebody throws it right at you. >> And I was like, well, at least it does
that. No, it doesn't. So, it's an upright sarcophagus to get started. >> Oh, okay.
>> With spikes. >> Already. This sounds okay. >> Yeah. It's like comfy. Yeah. >> You just go and take a nap inside.
>> And you just avoid the spikes. >> Yeah. Except >> But once you're placed inside and the
doors are closed, the strategically placed spikes placed spikes pierce several of your vital organs.
>> I mean, was there an ant on you or something? >> No. I thought there was something. It's
Things are happening right now. We're in the daytime. We don't know how to do >> We don't function in the daytime.
>> I need the moon. Yeah, I need some bats fluttering by. I feed off the energy of
the moon. I feed off the energy of the moon. >> We have an exciting announcement and now
you have to listen to the whole rest of the podcast cuz we're going to announce it at the end.
>> Okay. So, it like your vital organs. >> Is the moon coming on your podcast? >> Yes.
>> We're having an astronaut on the podcast. >> The actual moon is coming. >> What's that guy that your cat your kids
like? Scott Kelly. Scott Kelly is going to be on the podcast. >> My two and a half-year-olds are obsessed
with Scott Kelly. >> Yeah. >> So, there's that. >> But, um, vital organs, spikies.
>> Yeah. No good. >> But, >> no good. >> The spikes weren't long enough to make your organs shut down immediately.
>> That's unfortunate. >> So, you just bleed out. >> Oh, >> yeah. >> Yeah. >> No, I'd just rather it all be boom.
>> Yeah. It would take like I mean I'm sure you know how >> you just stand there
>> bleeding >> slowly have your [ __ ] organs poach >> shut down >> and like >> well you know juice floating out of your
>> well you know like when you >> floating like it's floating in front of you >> when you go to like like when something
hits you you move back so then you probably just you're back into another one and then you try to move forward so
every >> claustrophobic >> yeah I just took a breath >> so this might make you feel better. Oh,
good. Sometimes people argue with the Iron Maiden as fact or fiction. >> That kind of bums me out.
>> Yeah. I I mean either way it like >> it was it >> it was a thing. And if it was a thing
back then, they used it. >> Well, and we're the worst species ever. >> So, I'm certain it was used because if
all of these other ones were done, then I mean, this one isn't even as bad as some.
>> No, it's really not. Okay. Well, these are a few accounts. >> Okay. >> So, in the 1700s, German philosopher
Johan Phillip >> Johan Senis. >> Woo. You're welcome. I like it. >> Wrote about a coin forger, which I think
is just somebody that like makes fake money. >> Yeah, that makes sense. Just forges
coins out of metals. >> Yeah, cuz like if you think like she forged a check, like you write a bad
check. >> Like you're just like a fake ass check. You're a fake ass house. >> Fake ass [ __ ]
>> Yeah. >> So he was in >> That's what he was. >> So the guy that wrote about this, Johan.
>> Oh, motorcycle just drove by. You probably heard that. >> Well, you know, I just can't stop the
outside. My neighbor got a motorcycle and I'm so happy for him. >> Which neighbor? one down the street.
>> Okay. Elena has this neighbor. I'm 100% sure he doesn't listen to the podcast.
>> He is like the nicest guy and he's so funny and his laugh is literally I'm going to
>> the most contagious laugh you've ever heard >> and it bellows throughout the neighborhood.
>> He almost Okay, I started watching Dog the Bounty Hunter again the other day because actual trash.
>> I don't know if I can support support it. It's a great show. I'm not going to
support >> I was raised watching Dog the Bounty Hunter. >> Wow. >> Yeah. which says a lot about how I was
brought up, but hi mom. >> Um, so anyways, he sounds just like Dog the Bounty Hunters laugh.
>> I've never heard Dog the Bounty Hunters laugh. >> Well, it sounds like the impression that
sentence correctly. So, how far out of that I >> My favorite part of yesterday's episode
that I was watching was Beth had a necklace on that said Big Daddy. >> I I hate this.
>> It's the most disgusting, horrible thing ever. >> I hate this. >> But she calls him Big Daddy.
>> I hate it. >> Okay, I'm done. I hate it a lot. >> Where were Where was I going with your
neighbor? I don't know. I was saying that I'm very happy for my neighbor who got a motorcycle recently.
>> Yeah. >> And um I don't know if like the sarcasm is registering >> over the podcast waves, but not super
psyched about it. >> All right. So, the coin forger got executed there. >> He got executed in the Iron Maiden in
the city of I think you say Nuremberg. >> Nuremberg. >> Nuremberg. which is >> seems like proportionate
>> punishment. >> Yeah. Like >> like I don't know. >> He probably just could have did some
time in the what's the thing where they put your head and then your >> the stocks.
>> The stocks. >> Just throw them in there for like a couple days. It's fine. >> Yeah.
>> All right. So around that time, iron maidens began to appear in museums around the US and Europe. Bless you.
>> According to one article I read, >> you go bless you. A man by the name of Matthew Peacock, which seems legit,
>> Paulions. Paul Onions and Matthew Peacock write a book. >> They hang. >> They're Yeah. In the 1800s.
>> Yeah. >> Well, Matthew >> I bet Paul Onions has transported through time. >> Yeah. He's seen some [ __ ]
>> Yeah. >> He escaped Ivan Mallet. >> He's had to have traveled through space and time
>> probably. Well, Matthew Peacock spent the 1800s collecting paintings and torture devices.
>> Same. He had a wide variety of uh of interests. So he allegedly pieced an Iron Maiden together from pieces of
other torture devices/random devices and he gifted it to a museum where people went crazy over it because they thought
it was a real Iron Maiden. >> Yeah. They believed it. >> What a turd. >> Yeah. But here's my favorite one. This
one. Okay. You know how like folklore isn't always true? >> Yes. >> I feel like this isn't true, but I want
it to be true. >> Oo. >> It's just a little too advanced for the time of 100 BC. I don't know. They were
pretty They were pretty on it back then. >> All right. So, this account comes from
Greek historian Palibius. >> See, and I know him and he always tells the truth. >> Oh, okay.
>> So, you can believe. >> How do I pronounce his name? >> Exactly how you did. >> Palibius.
>> Exactly. >> Lived around 100 BC, like I said, and claimed that Spartan tyrant Nabis or
Nabis. >> Oh, yeah. I know. I know that guy. >> Yeah. Well, did you know that he
constructed a mechanical likeness of his wife, Aega? >> That is really advanced fur.
>> Um, but it was an iron maiden version of his wife. >> What the [ __ ] >> Supposedly, so if a citizen refused to
pay their taxes, he would like trick them into coming to his royal courts or whatever it was back then.
>> And then he they would think that like his wife was coming to join them. >> But [ __ ] mechanical wife.
>> Yeah. But she had to like wheel over. So I'd be like, um, first [ __ ] giveaway.
She's on wheels. >> It's It sounds like the uh Return to Oz, the Wheelers. >> Yeah. Well, it just sounds ridic.
>> So they would think that his wife was there cuz they're really [ __ ] dumb apparently.
>> But and then somehow basically he would like spring them into her embrace where
they'd be impaled by the iron nails that covered her arms, hands, and breasts. >> I mean, that sounds legit.
>> Yeah. I was just >> I believe it fully. >> When I was reading it, I was like,
>> I don't know. >> Like something is off here. >> Maybe I missed something. >> I don't know.
>> Yeah, it sounds legit to me. >> I believe it. I believe P. You know that guy.
>> Well, maybe they I mean they debate if it's still around, but the [ __ ] crazy
stories are still there. >> That's awesome. >> Yeah. Iron. >> So, that was the Iron Maiden.
>> The metal Iron Maiden. >> Yeah. Uh my next one is the boots. >> Oh, dust boots. And then, okay, so
there's um two methods that I found in both of them. I don't know if it's like fortunate or unfortunate.
>> You don't die. >> Oh, it's never good when it ends with like this is just torture, not going to
die. >> You're going to walk away from or you're going to crawl away from this or slither
away from this. >> Seriously. Okay, so in the first method, the victim has boots placed on their
feet made of spongy leather. >> That just sounds nice. It just sounds like It sounds like soggy food. Oo,
spongy leather. Soggy food. It's like moist. Old people raisins. [ __ ] you. The
word moist doesn't bother me. >> Is that why you keep saying it? Moist cake. That's what I think of. Moist.
>> I think it's just the nasty ass look on your face that ruins it. That That word
only bothers me if people say it in like a yucky way. Like, I'm moist from being
outside. >> Yeah, that's not cool. I don't want people to be moist. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That really that that brown it
somewhere that I >> Yeah, I just meant sweaty. >> Well, that's what I mean. >> Yeah,
>> that's So, you just brought it somewhere. >> I meant sweaty, too. >> So, the boots.
>> Yes, boots. >> Um, spongy leather. They're then tied up with their feet by a fire. Things get
pretty serious pretty quick is what you're saying. >> No, they're just trying to make them
relax. >> Here's some boots. Warm your feet up by a fire real quick. >> Yeah, just like hang out. Yeah, but then
I'm going to pour this boiling water onto your boots. >> That [ __ ] that escalated quickly.
>> So then that water seeps through the leather and dissolves the flesh. >> And it said it dissolves the bone too.
>> Uh I don't think so. >> It's really hard to get rid of bone. >> And then in some cases, wood was placed
inside the boot, like probably like on the top and the bottom. And then they would pour oil inside to expand the wood
and cut off the circulation to the foot. >> So they like smush it is what I thought.
>> Yeah. That like cuts it all off. >> Yeah. So basically your feet are just real gnarly.
>> Gross. >> From then on. >> And then in the second cut off circulation long enough it'll they'll
die. So you just have like these necrotic nasty feet. >> Yeah. Their feet will die. But they
won't >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Their feet will die. >> Oh yeah. >> Gross. Dead feet.
>> I'm just looking at my feet now. Ouch. I know. I'm like cradling my feet right
now. My hand. I'm like massaging it like you still there. >> You're there. You're okay. Don't listen.
Don't listen. I'm not putting you in any boots. Don't worry about it. >> Okay. Well, the second version, cradle
your feet a little and your shins a little tighter. >> Oh. >> So, they would place the victim's legs
between two planks of woods and then they would tie it together with cords. >> Oh, I already know. And then between the
cords, the torturers would place wedges, which they would then violently hammer into the shins of the victim.
>> So, thus creating them wood boots. >> Oh, >> those aren't boots. That's not cool.
>> It's like autistic license. >> That's like hobbling like from a misery. >> Yeah,
>> that Stephen King novel. >> That sounds horrible. >> It's a great movie with Kathy Bates.
>> Okay. Okay. Well, each time a wedge was hammered, a small portion of the shin
bone shatters. >> And then they would hammer at least a dozen wedges up and down the legs.
>> Oh my damn. >> So like your whole tibia >> Yeah. Your tibia would just fall. >> It's just done for. Like it's it falls
apart. >> So then your legs are just like jello legs. >> And you just have bone shards floating
around. >> Would you die? >> Which you'd eventually get an infection >> and die? probably cuz anytime they got
an infection back then got real >> because they had nothing to fix that. >> Well, so and anyways they were unable to
walk after that so they probably just >> you just slithered away and then died from infection.
>> Mhm. >> Sounds good. >> So that was the boots. >> That's boots. >> Next one is going to piss you off.
>> Uhoh. >> The scold's bridal was a gruesome torture instrument worn to prevent women
from gossiping. >> Godamn women. >> Just like a big [ __ ] you to guys back then. Like I can gossip if I want to.
>> I can talk [ __ ] if I want to. >> I gossip all day every day. >> That's You are a hair stylist. That's
part of your job. >> I mean, you're not wrong. >> So, basically, the term speaks for
itself cuz back in the day, scold was like a derogative term for women >> or like a woman who was constantly
displeased or like nagged too much. So, like you >> I was just going to say, >> just kidding. And then the bridal is a
headpiece designed for a horse. >> I was gonna say, isn't that like a horse? >> Yeah, the bridal is.
>> So already that's that's nice. >> So it's to direct it when you're like riding.
>> Yeah. >> The device is an iron muzzle enclosed in iron framework that would surround the
head of the accused. >> That sounds like that thing and saw. >> So the intention was to prevent the
person wearing it from speaking. And sometimes, well, the brittle bit would like go in your mouth, but sometimes
they would put a spike on the brittle bit or the bridal bit, excuse me, so that >> if the woman tried to talk, like the
movement would pierce her tongue, cut up her tongue >> and like then if you it would just ruin
your whole >> Did they just have like somebody had like a mountain of surplus spikes?
>> You know, there was a spike factory all the time and they were like, "What do we
do with this mountain of spikes?" And they were like, "Let's just make some [ __ ] [ __ ] that rips people apart with
it." >> Yeah. Yeah, >> that's exactly the >> spikes on everything. >> So, if that wasn't bad enough, there's
also a public humiliation part of this. >> I thought that was the public humiliation part.
>> Oh, yeah. But then your husband would drag you in the streets on a leash. >> Marriage.
>> Like, "Hey, let's get divorced, you asshole." Um, where people were encouraged to yell insults, spit on you,
and like inflict more violence on you. >> Maybe that's where they got it in Game
of Thrones. >> That's what I was thinking of the whole time. >> The shame bell. Shame. Shame
>> sounds exactly like it. >> Um, an early record of this practice took place in Scotland.
>> Scotland. >> But like this isn't anything to share about >> in 1567. >> Um, well, it was also the method was
also used in England and Wales. >> See, they did it too. >> Yeah. Everywhere, I'm sure.
>> But Bessie Tifer Bess Bessie um, slandered this guy named Bailey, which is your dog's
>> Bailey. Bailey Hunter because of false measurements in a land dispute. So I think someone was trying to buy land and
he was like, "It's this big." But she was like, "No, [ __ ] it's this big." And then she got that [ __ ] put on her.
>> Yep. Cuz she was a woman and she was sentenced to it for 1 hour. >> One hour. That's just weird.
>> Well, one hour of a reputable damage if it they had the >> tear up your tongue,
>> right? Also in Walton on Fames, which is a town in England. >> Sure. I think um a scold's bridal I like
looked on Wikipedia really fast. That's how I research. Um but a scold's bridal dated 1633 is displayed in the vestri of
the church. That's how we say it. Vestri. You're asking the wrong person about that.
>> Yeah. I like wasn't even baptized. Um the inscription reads >> it sounds like something that would be
in a church. >> I think it's vestri. >> I like it. >> Right in. Yeah. Um, but it says,
"Chester presents the Walton with a bridal to curb women's tongues that talk too idol. Necessary and also
>> poetic. >> Love that it's a poem." >> You know, I didn't realize that until I
said it out loud. I was writing it and I was like, "What a [ __ ] asshole." >> Like, this sounds so flowery. I don't
know why. >> So, the story goes that someone named Chester lost a large fortune because of
a lady's gossip. >> I bet it was Chester's fault. >> Of course it was. nothing to do with the
lady's gossip, >> but he lost some money and then he presented the town with the bridal out
of anger and spite. >> So, he was like, "Here you go. I'm real pissed." And then my last one, do you
want to guess what it's called? >> It's called >> BR is the initials. >> The barnacle repairer.
>> Nope. It's the breast ripper. >> Oh, so close. >> So, it rips off your titties.
>> Oh, I thought it went on your head. Nope. So, it's also known as the iron spider
or just the spider. >> And you guessed it, it's super [ __ ] up. >> Super awesome.
>> But if you were real friended, offended actually by the skull spider. >> If you were friended,
>> if you were friended, >> if you were friended by the school, then that's weird.
>> Delete your Facebook. >> Yeah. >> Um, then this one you should just set it out
because it was Sounds like it's >> Yeah. And they like reserved like special ass torture for girls.
>> Yeah, that was nice of them. So, this one's really short and sweet and to the
point. Uh, it was a claw-like device ended in spikes and they either heated it or left it cold.
>> I don't know which one is worse. >> They would just put it on your boobies and rip your boobs right off
>> or they would like hang it on a wall and then attach your boobies to it and then
like yank you away so that the wall ripped your boobies off kind of. >> And that is all my research on boobs.
and the medieval times. >> I'm still like having a moment about that. >> Are you?
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. My boobs hurt real bad like thinking about that after I like researched.
>> That's a lot. >> And my tongue hurt because of the scolds bridal. >> Yeah. I feel like everybody's going to
walk away from this feeling really sore. My organs hurt because of the Iron Maiden.
>> Yeah, that's not okay. And I felt like I was on fire because of the brazen bull.
Well, I'll I'll start mine off with one that's like the breast ripper in the sense that it just gives you everything
right up front. You don't have to guess what this one is all about. >> Okay. >> It's called the Head Crusher. Like I
said, pretty straightforward. It's back in medieval times, of course. Sorry, >> I was actually throwing things.
>> Um, so what it was was there was a bar that you would place your chin onto. Then on top of your head was a cap-like
device. There was a little screw on top that they would twist and twist and twist and eventually it was like a vice
and your head would go crunch, pop, boom. It was pretty awesome. So your head would basically pop and it would be
crushed. And this happened super slowly, super painfully. And the first thing that would happen stresses me out a lot.
>> Was it your teeth? >> Your teeth would shatter in your mouth. >> Oh, [ __ ] I hate teeth things. Yeah. And
then after that your eyes would pop out of its sockets. >> No. >> Yeah. >> No. Goodbye.
>> And then boop, dead >> pop goes your head. Except once in a while if cuz a lot of these were like
elicit confessions or just for punishment. So if they were doing this to elicit a confession, they might stop
after they've popped your eyes out of your head and or like have halfway have popped your eyes and your teeth have
shattered and been like, "Okay, thank you for confessing." Like the guy from Harry Potter.
>> And then you walk away with no teeth and your eyes are like garbage. >> Yikes. Yeah,
>> that reminds me of the guy from Harry Potter with that big old eye. >> Yeah, that's exactly the same.
>> Oh, and a lot of these Now, a lot of the ones I'm going to go over were done for
such heinous crimes like homosexuality. >> Bye. >> Blasphemy, bye. >> Bye. >> Witchcraft. Bye.
>> Yeah. So, >> I'm going to have my head cov. No, I don't think any anybody would do
great. So, the first big one I'm going to go over >> is called the Blood Eagle. >> Oh, this great name.
>> [ __ ] up. I know about this. >> Great like hard like dark metal band name. >> Oh god.
>> So, it's probably the most nightmarish thing I've ever heard happening to a human.
>> It was popular among Vikings. The Vikings are just [ __ ] up. They're known as a very mellow bunch. So, this
is a departure. And it's believed by some scholars to be something done as an offering to the Norse god of war Odin
before and after battles. So, like for good luck or something like, you know, some people
>> like maybe just wear your lucky socks. >> Yeah, it's it's the same. >> Rub a rabbit's foot on the day.
>> And according to 12th and 13th century scholars, it was most popular in Scandinavia because Vikings.
>> Uhhuh. And it was reserved when it wasn't being used just as like a pump up thing for battle.
>> This is just like a pregame as a pregame for battle. Then it was used for literally the worst of the worst people.
I don't think anybody deserved this, but >> No, I don't think so. >> So basically the blood eagle went a
little something like this. >> No, >> the unfortunate captive would be kneeling or laying on their stomach from
there. >> Yeah. Not a good position to be in. >> Just try to get up. Obviously, they
would be restrained in some way to prevent them from getting up or breaking free or trying to get the [ __ ] up out of
there cuz something bad's going to happen. >> So, first the back was carved. >> Nope. Sometimes it would be carved in
the shape of an eagle, but that was not necessary. But either way, >> back carving,
>> the thing that was the most important was that they opened up your back in some way. That was the main purpose.
When they did that, the victim's rib cage was then cut away from the spine with an axe and subsequently pulled out
one by one away from the spine and out through the back. And the rib cage was then pulled up to slightly resemble
wings, which I have not seen a bird flying around with a rib cage shot out of its back,
but I'm not in Scandinavia, so I don't know. Um, >> maybe birds are different. Listeners,
>> take a picture. >> Scandinavian listeners, let us know. >> I'm spooked. >> Do you have crazy skeleton birds
floating around? I don't know. >> I want pictures. >> I'm not going to guarantee it's not a
thing. >> Picture. It didn't happen. >> So, you would really have to like suspend reality or give a lot of
artistic license for this to resemble an eagle, but we're going with it. So to make the wing look, you know, because
this this looked like a bird obviously, but we could get it more authentic, right? So to to take it to an entirely
new level of suffering. >> Oh no. >> The victim's lungs were then pulled out one at a time and laid over the ribs
because what are wings without fleshy air bags draped over them? I mean, I'm in a dark place.
A dark place. Who hasn't seen a bird flying around with flushy airbags? >> Ready razor attached to them
>> with sand. >> Who among us? >> Who? >> I don't know, bro. >> So, obviously, if the victim managed to
somehow live through this torture, which who knows, stranger things have happened, they would just slowly
suffocate to death after their lungs were pulled out through their back. On top of that, they would rub salt in the
victim's wounds because >> throughout the whole time or just after at the end? >> Throughout the whole time. Because like
if you don't season as you go then the end result is >> and you can't throw them in the crock
pot. >> Yeah. It's not any I watch a lot of Food Network and they are always saying
>> EE >> season that meat. >> Ew. >> So it's important. >> So what was this for? Like what did you
have to do? >> You're just a bad guy. Probably >> it's a real bad guy. >> He's being a real bad guy.
>> Oh >> gal. I don't know if they've I don't see any records of it happening to gals but
Vikings man. >> Major yikes. So that's the blood eagle. >> Oh man. >> Now let's take a little trip over to the
strapido. >> Strapedo. >> Strapedo. Also called corda. Not sure why. >> Corda. >> Yeah. I like strap better.
>> Yeah. >> Um it was used to torture heretics, witches, and anyone else that stepped
out of the very fine line of living in medieval times. >> Yeah. Like what could you do?
>> Basically, it's like you had a bad day and now you're >> in the strap. It was used a lot during
the Spanish Inquisition. That was a [ __ ] up time. It was It was a time. It was a moment.
>> It was a day. >> There were three main ways in which this was administered. The first one was the
victim's arms are tied behind their backs with a rope. >> Also never a good position.
>> Yeah. No. And then the rope is attached to a pulley system and the victim is lifted into the air with their arms
inverted, which they then dislocate violently behind them. Now, the second method is basically the same as the
first, except the victims would be stopped in midair several times to increase the pain and suffering. They
would also cause the victim to jerk around so that they would effectively break the shoulders cuz who needs
shoulders? >> Shoulders like that. >> Yeah, that's no joke. >> That's pain. >> And then the third method was kind of
the same as the first two, except this time they, you know, just add a weight to your ankles so that you'd really get
your joints ripped apart. >> Oh my god. So that's fun. Now, usually this torture was completed within an
hour and it was not used to cause death. So, these people were then let down and
away you go. Come again soon. >> And then you're just going to have rotator cuff problems for your whole
life. >> Yeah, that's exactly the issue you're going to have. Busted rotator cuff. So,
that's a strap. The next one is called the rack. >> Oh, no. I know about this [ __ ]
>> This one's fun. So, in the rack, a victim would be secured to a board of some sort by having their wrists and
ankles cuffed to it. >> No, >> it's never good when you're secured to a board, as you will see when we cover
John Wayne Gayy. It's never a good place to be. Nothing good happens attached to
a board. >> He's so weird. >> Also, Dean Coral, I think, used a board. >> Oh, a lot of boards.
>> This was This was along the same lines. It's real bad. So then chains would be
attached to the cuff and the other end of the chains would attach to a wheel. There was a crank that would then turn
said wheel and this would cause the chains to slowly tighten. >> Oh no. >> Now as this happened, it was pulling
your arms and legs and stretching them. >> Goodbye. >> But not just stretching. The joints,
sockets, ligaments, tendons would all completely snap and crack. Ugh. Now, sometimes they would even go way past
stretching and just pull the [ __ ] limbs right off your body. >> [ __ ] you. Now, if they didn't take it
that far, the muscles would completely lose the ability to contract. And at some point, this person would be
completely unable to move and likely unable to control like basic bodily functions like their bowels.
>> I feel like at the end of this, they probably just like left them to die. Like, you know what I mean? like they're
just like I'm not going to totally kill you, but I'm just going to leave you here
>> cuz you're going to die anyways. So, it's like it's going to be slow or it's going to be relatively quick. So, there
were other variations on this method that were common. Like along with the stretching, sometimes the rack would
include a bed of nails or spikes. >> So, the person would lay upon these sharp objects while they were being
stretched. What if they just had any spikes left over from everything else? >> If they were next to a pile of spikes,
they would just throw a few on there and they were like, "Let's do this." >> Oh, and there were spikes everywhere in
that we don't want to waste spikes. >> No, they had a surplus back then. >> Those
>> Now, this clearly caused a lot of [ __ ] up noises. >> If you've ever cracked your knuckles,
cracked your back, heard anybody else do it. Um, I broke my pelvis when I was like in summer going into 8ighth grade
>> and that pop that you hear, people like across my summer camp said that they heard it and it was like gross.
>> I can like still hear it. >> Yeah, it's a disgusting and that's just like a small portion of what you'd hear
here. >> Oh god. Cuz so many things would be crackle lacking. >> Well, this for this reason, torture
wasn't only used for the unfortunate person attached to the rack. It was also used as a method of eliciting a
confession from accused heretics by having them watch someone else be tortured on the rack. The sound inside
of someone's tendons, ligaments, and joints just [ __ ] tearing apart and popping all over the place was actually
enough torture >> that it turns out that this was a pretty effective method >> for eliciting a confession. Because if
you think about it, you're [ __ ] watching somebody pulled apart >> slowly. So messed up
>> and the sounds would drive you mad. >> Yeah. So yeah, that's the rack. That's
the rack. >> That's the rack. And that's a wrap. She should be called the ripper.
Ripper. The rack ripper. >> Ouchie. That's what the breast ripper should have been called. The rack
ripper. >> Oh, that's funny. >> Oh, that's funny. >> Oh my god, that was that was funny.
>> Good job. >> Incredulous. >> You're like sometimes hilarious. >> I am sometimes only a little bit. On to
the next. >> On on to the next one. >> This one's called the wheel. It's also called the Catherine wheel or the
breaking wheel. >> My Catherine >> because [ __ ] you know Catherine, you know what she's all about.
>> I know this was used during the Spanish Inquisition. >> Okay. >> It was the cousin of the rack.
>> Zeraka. >> And it was intended for the purpose of capital punishment or for torture to
elicit confessions. >> Good. >> Samesies. >> Sameies. So there would be a large wagon
wheel where the accused would be stretched out all over hanging out. >> They would be attached to it some way
restrained and then they would be severely beaten with clubs, thick branches and you know stuff like that.
>> No thanks. >> And because they were stretched out on a wheel with open spaces between all the
spokes, their bones would [ __ ] break >> because of all the off angles. >> God.
>> And it was used for the purpose of torture. And then while the tor after the torture was complete in that
respect, it would continue because the person would then be either removed from the wheel before death happened or you
would be straight up bludgeoned to death and left on the wheel for everybody to see. And then there's other ways where
you weren't bludgeoned to death, you were just left on that [ __ ] wheel to die after they broke all your bones.
>> Wa. How long do you think that would take? They said they could leave a beaten, broken body on that wheel for
days and they would just slowly infection would set in >> and they'd go starving and hungry.
>> Yeah, but they honestly they'd probably die from the infection to like quick >> cuz all those broken bones and [ __ ] and
I'm sure bones were popping through skin and stuff. >> Oh god, that's nasty. >> Yeah. So
>> if they were going to if they were using it for cap like to kill you >> then they basically would leave you up
there and just keep administering beatings until you finally just died. >> Nope. From the trauma.
>> I'm not interested. >> And no matter what you were on public display during all this
>> people like to watch [ __ ] like that back then. >> [ __ ] was mayhem back then.
>> Like people used to like join in on stones and stuff. >> On stones. >> Stoning.
>> They just stoned back then. >> Yeah. They were just joining. I think they needed to be stoked.
>> They did because they used to bring like kids to like public hangings and guillotine.
>> My first college English assignment back before college. >> Yes. >> Back in the middle ages
>> was like a short story about um somebody getting stoned. And then we were supposed to write a paper about morals.
>> Somebody getting stoned like smoking the >> No, like somebody getting like >> legit stoned.
>> Yeah. Or like No, it wasn't stoned. It was like a book about like one once a year they would have to like pick a name
out of like the town and that person would get like stoned or hung. It's called like the election or something.
>> It's like the Hunger Games. >> Yeah, literally. But we had to write a paper on it and I remember reading it
and I was like, "Why am I in college? Why am I in college?" And then you were like, "Fuck."
>> And then I dropped out. >> Yes. Well, the next one you're like back to reality, unfortunate reality is called
the heretics fork. Forks are never good in torture unless you're eating. >> Now, this was specifically used for
people who spoke out against the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages. >> Bye.
>> You know, witches, heretics, all that good stuff. >> Basically, it was a double-ended fork.
Both ends had two very sharp prongs on them. >> Oh no. >> It would be attached to a leather collar
device that would go around the victim's neck. >> No. >> This created a situation where the
victim could not move their head from a strained upward position. >> No. >> And couldn't drop their jaw even a
little bit. If they did, >> then prongs would pierce their neck and prongs would pierce their sternum area.
And it wasn't like they would just be like, "Boop, that hurts a little." It was like, "No, you're going to get like
impaled by this." And the >> it was very simple but very effective. And the whole thing was very poetic
because it's like you spoke out against the church so now you have to look up at
your god that you don't believe in. Like that was the whole thing. You have to look up to heaven and we're forcing you
to look up into the sky. >> Be like, but it's still not there. I don't see anything except the ceiling.
>> It's like please take this off of me. >> God, are you there? It's me, Margaret.
>> It's me, Margaret. >> Back in the Middle Ages, >> Judy Bloom. That's where it originated.
Well, the next one has a little bit of bit of religion to it, too. >> Oh, it's called the cradle of Judas.
>> Who's Judas again? >> Judas is I know this. Judas is the guy that betrayed Jesus.
>> To be honest with you, I thought that was Caesar. >> Well, it's the same situation. Like
Caesar had Brutus. >> Oh, Judas and Brutus. >> Like etu brute means and you brutus.
Like he turned around and was like, "And you, you are my friend." I thought and so Judith did the same thing. Theatrical
>> I'm very theatrical. I went to theater camp >> and you had fun in high school.
>> No, I'm just kidding. That actually does sound fun. I wanted to be in drama club,
but my mom worked >> so I couldn't be. >> I was in drama club for a long time until senior year high school. I
graduated. >> Yeah, I did cheerleading by >> Exactly. Exactly. See, she's trying to
hide the real root of the issue here. >> Well, I wanted to do drama in middle school. I was only a cheerleader for one
year. Wow. It felt like a lot longer. >> Sure did. You're telling me I'm still dealing with the post-traumatic stress
disorder from it. Not the physical cookie dough. Sell it. Sell it. >> You make the woo sound at the end of all
your cheers. Jesus. >> Remember, you put me through so much hell. >> I did. I really did.
>> It was self-prescribed though. I like I set it up. >> You just made it so easy.
>> But I also played softball. >> Yeah, I did too. But I wasn't good. And the coach was also your coach and he was
like, "Why are you not like Elena?" >> That's cuz that's only cuz I played softball since the time I was like
Whenever you can start teball, that's when I started. >> Yeah. >> And I played literally every season my
whole life. >> Yeah. >> Fun little fact. >> Fun fun. >> One of us was a cheerleader. One of us
was a drama nerd. >> Who's who? >> Who's who, >> but you can't tell. >> You could totally pick us up in a lineup
of who was who. >> 100%. 100%. >> I'm just glad. >> I don't think anyone is confusing me for
a cheerleader. >> The cradle of Judas. >> Oh, where did we go? >> We came out of that.
>> I think this is not going to be a popular podcast. >> Now, this one is a doozy. And I mean
doozy when I say doozy. >> Doo. >> Hold on to your butts, everybody. >> Hold on to your butts because
>> I'm going to start saying >> hold on to your anus. >> Hold on to that rectum. So, this is
another creation from the Spanish Inquisition. >> Keep icing your front bum. >> Oh, I hope someone gets that reference.
>> I'm not going to say where it's from. >> I kind of want to keep icing your front
bum. Swelling continues if you do not ice. >> Don't say where it's from. Don't say
>> don't tell me you know what that's from. >> I want a DM. >> Oh, I want one. Please, please, please.
We're begging. Okay, so continues if you two do. This device is a wooden pyramid
that's raised high on four legs and on top of that pyramid is >> a spike. >> A spike.
>> It's the theme. >> The victim would then be stripped naked >> and weights were attached to their
ankles and then they were hung by their arms and legs high above this device. >> Not interested.
>> When the torture was to begin, they would then be lowered slowly onto the period. Period.
You know what I want to know actually? Cuz in my mind I was just like not interested. Like I'm not showing up to
my torture day. How did they not run away before? >> Oh, they would rip you out of your
house. Like you weren't getting away. >> It's not like they were like on Tuesday
at 2. >> I don't know. Be lowered onto a pyramid. >> The Middle Ages were fooked up. Maybe
people were just so afraid of everything that >> that's why they would never give you
advanced notice >> because in the Middle Ages they were just like bursting into your house being
like you thought an improper thought so we're going to stick you onto this [ __ ]
>> you are wrong sir I'm eating breakfast >> the cradle of Judas for you. So yeah, so
they'd be lowered slowly onto this pyramid, which would cause the spike to penetrate their perennium region, which
is your anus, your butt. Gravity, body weight, and the added weights would cause the person to sink
onto the steak with no resistance. >> Oh god. >> Now, this torture would last for hours,
and usually the victim was left on this thing all [ __ ] night. natural instinct. Like if you think about it, if
you sit on something that hurts your bum, your natural instinct is to like rock back and forth to kind of like
alleviate the >> Yeah. to be like, "Oh, that hurt." >> to try to get yourself off of it. Kind
of. >> Same thing with like the iron maiden like we were saying. >> Exactly. Like your just natural instinct
would take over. But doing that in this case would just rip the wound larger and
sink you lower onto the steak. This is like the hemorrhoid from hell. >> They should have they should have called
it the hemorrhoid hole maker. They should have just called it the hemorrhoid. >> Yeah, it's just
>> Six Flags should come out with a ride like that. >> They Six Flags should not come out with
a ride like that. >> I'm just kidding because I don't want to know the kind of people that would go on
that ride. >> It's like dark tourist. >> Exact. That's real dark tourist [ __ ] >> I just gave that guy an idea for his
horror house. >> I don't even think he's probably like, "No, thank you. I do not want to explore
that." >> E. Um, so these people would often bleed to death or the infection from the
spike. Never being [ __ ] cleaned between torture sessions would definitely kill them.
>> Oh, that's like dysentery, right? >> Dysentery is poopy. >> Pooping a lot. Like you like diarrhea.
Like >> So it would cause dysentery. >> No, it would cause internal damage. >> Death. It's not going to cause you to
have diarrhea. It's going to cause your entire abdomen to explode. Cesspool. Are you just saying words?
What's it? What is it if you get like typhoid disease? Like people just like cuz like their their waist was on the
thing and then it got into other people's little trail of smoke come out of your ears.
>> Something is my brain popped in there >> and you tried very hard to get them.
>> No. Do you know what I mean though? Like you know what I'm saying? >> Like infection.
>> Yeah. Yeah, >> but like poop infection is a different kind of infection. >> I mean, if you want it to be a poop
infection, >> well, it would be. It's your bum, but it's not. This is not like this is a spike that's
ripping into your internal organs. That's where the infection happens. Not pooping. No, I'm not saying they're
pooping. I'm saying it goes in their butt. So, a little bit of poop gets on it and then the poop gets in your organs
>> for sure. So that's where the infection comes from >> for sure. And like other bodily fluids,
too, >> right? >> Yeah. >> That's all I was saying. >> Cespool, >> but I like it.
>> Remember when I told that story of me dropping out of college? >> No, here we are.
>> Here we sit. They're like, "Go back to college, D." >> Oh [ __ ] So that's the cradle.
>> Oh [ __ ] The cradle of Jesus. >> That's the cradle of Judas. >> So that's the cradle of Jesus. I don't
think the cradle of Jesus would be as metal. >> I don't know. >> I don't know, man. So, this Oh, this is
the one that's used today. You know what? I remembered which one it was cuz I looked at your notes.
>> Torture by rats. >> That's the one still used today. >> This one's still used today, apparently.
I don't know where. I'm not going there. But it's used. >> I almost just said where.
>> Where? >> After you were like, I don't know where. I'm not going there. I was like, where?
where it happened. >> Cespool >> typhoid. The victim in this case is stripped naked and lays on a table.
Nope. >> Which seems to be just when that happens, it's just >> just kind of your just go to a different
spot. >> Go to your happy place cuz this isn't going to be good. >> Then a half cage with an open top would
be placed on their stomach with the open top facing their skin. And inside that container would be rats.
>> Oh god. >> Next. >> Who thinks of this? >> Not I. >> Like who thought of these things? really
messed up people. >> Yeah, >> some really messed up people. I mean, you just I guess it would kind of be
easy cuz you just think of like the worst stuff that would make you so wrong. You're like, "Let's do this other
do it to someone." >> Exactly. >> This is, you know, serial killer stuff. >> It's morbid.
>> Very morbid. >> Yeah. >> So, >> this was bad enough cuz it was just creepy. >> But then the cage where the rats were
would be heated in some way. >> Oh, disgusting. >> So, the rats would desperately score.
scurry around and try to escape the heat. Well, where's the only place they can go?
>> Inside of your chest. >> It can only go down. So, this these rats would violently burrow through the
abdomen of the victim while they were chained to a table unable to move. >> Oh, goodbye.
>> So, basically, they would like tear through your intestines and once you tear through the intestines, forget
about it. You're septic. That's it. >> Cesspool. You are a >> cesspool. Yeah. You don't want you don't
want to hit the poop pipe, kid. Huh? >> That's a line from a really good movie that you should watch.
>> Pathology. >> I almost just said called autopsy. >> Called auto. Not called autopsy, but
called pathology. I think our listeners would like that movie. >> I seen it. >> It's a good movie.
>> It's a good movie. >> And at one point they're doing an autopsy and they hit the intestine
>> and he says, "You don't want to hit the poop pipe kid." >> And it's a really good motto for life.
>> Mhm. >> So there's a variation on this. And >> sometimes you hit the poop pipe in your
life. >> You do. You Yeah. Everybody hits the poop pipe weak. >> Yeah. And it's, you know, just got to
keep on moving. >> Sorry. Anyways, >> suture that [ __ ] up and keep on moving. >> Yeah.
>> So, a variation on this was instead of placing the rats just directly against
the flesh, they would use a telescopic tube to guide the rats inside the prisoner's body through the rectum or
the vagine. >> Yeah. >> What? >> Yeah. >> They would guide the rats up. So they would like block one end and stick the
other end that way. So the only way they were going was up. And rats will just be
like, "Oh, all right. I'll just burrow through this. I'll burrow through this." Hoo-ha. Yeah. They don't know the
difference. They're like, "It's a dark hole." >> Did the rats die, too? Probably.
>> Uh I don't think they would die right away cuz they they're just going in there.
>> Oh my god. >> They'll be fine. >> So you you would just die with rats inside you?
>> Pretty much. >> Gross. >> Yeah. And they would just like destroy your insides. So, let's see. Where do I
want to end? Because I have like two little ones and then one big one. >> End on a high note. Like a big note.
Okay. So, I'll go next to the um Glascow smile. >> Oh, yeah. >> This is Scotland. Our people. Maybe we
don't want to tell them that right now. Now, if you've ever seen The Dark Knight, you've seen one of these.
>> You've seen some [ __ ] It's also known as the Cheshire Grin among the London
street gangs and originated but it originated in Glasgow, Scotland. Um, basically two small incisions are made
at the corner of the victim's mouth and as the victim was beat or stabbed, muscle contractions in the face would
make those wounds extend upwards towards the ears and make it this big [ __ ] terrifying ear to ear smile. If left
untreated, some people would die as a result of severe infection or exanguination, which is just acute blood
loss. >> Excuination. >> Exanguination. >> Exanguination. >> Yes. >> I like that word, but it's awful.
>> It's a good word. >> Exanguination. >> I mean, it's a bad thing, but it's a good word.
>> Um, one famous example of this is the black dalia. >> Oh, yeah. >> Which and it's terrifying. And some
people, there's actually like actors or directors or something. One of them that
like I can't remember his name, but he was a victim of this in like a bar like fight or bar someone and he has scars
like like Dark Knight. Yeah. I can't remember his name. Of course I didn't write that down.
>> You know what I want to do? >> Um cuz you said the Black Doll. Yeah. I want to do an episode on the Cecil Hotel
and like all the weird [ __ ] that's happened. >> Oh yeah, we'll definitely Yeah, for sure. That's a really good one
because there's all kinds of crazy connections to that place. >> There's so much [ __ ]
>> This one's a quick one. It's another one that's exactly what it sounds like. Saw
torture. So, they would tickle you with a feather. >> I saw a picture of this when I was doing
the research for mine and the people just look so happy. >> Yeah. They're psyched. They're just like
>> like the people doing it. I mean, >> yeah, they probably sung. Uh, the victim
is hung upside down in this case by their ankles and a saw is used to cut them from the groin all the way to the
sternum. Oh, >> sometimes the poor person would stay alive until they hid the mid midsection
or even the chest in some instances >> cuz all the blood's at your head. >> Well, they that's the thing. They were
upside down. So, they did that so blood would rush to your head and so that it cuz when that happens, you're you're
stopping blood loss. >> Oh. >> So, this person would be able to live and if you're hitting certain spots in
the abdomen, you're not going to die right away. >> Oh, god. >> Yeah. So, that's awful.
>> No. >> So, that's awful. Another one. I have two more. One's a big one, one's a
littleer one. >> End on the big one. >> Drawn and quartered. >> Oh, everybody's heard of this, I'm sure.
It's usually reserved for high treason. And it began in 1283 English. >> Good band name. High Treason.
>> High Treason. I like it. >> Hello, Philadelphia. We are high treason. >> We are high treason.
>> I like it. >> Hello, Wisconsin. >> I like how you weren't in Boston. You picked like two other
You were like Philadelphia typhoid. >> So in drawn and quartered victims were often hanged to the point of near death
and then taken down. >> They're already >> like you're still >> Yeah, that's not okay. So that sucks.
And then so they were taken down right before they died and then they were tied to something and disembowled.
>> Oh >> yeah. So really just >> disembowelment is too extra. >> It's a lot. >> You die from that obviously.
>> Well then the endrails would be burned and the victim's limbs were then tied with ropes. The other end of the ropes
are tied to horses and then the horses are just like lightly encouraged to take take off and run.
So boom by limbs. Um the victim would then be beheaded and the head would be displayed. Wow.
>> Extra. >> Now, a famous one of the uh victim of this was Scottish patriot Sir William
Wallace. >> He was killed this way after leading the Scottish resistance against the English.
In uh on August 5th, 1305, he was arrested near Glasgow. Whoop. And taken to England to be killed as a traitor to
the King Edward I even though he never swore an allegiance to him. So, it's kind of
>> so technically he couldn't be a traitor. >> No. So, whatever. >> Stupid. So yeah, that's drawn in
quarter. Now, this one we'll leave we'll leave on a high note or really low note,
however you want to look at it. >> We're going to end on fleing. >> Oh, >> so this is real and it's not just the
sigil for House Bolton on Game of Thrones. >> I thought you were going to talk to me
about Bobby Fle. I love Bobby Fle. So, first in a in flaying, your skin has to be tenderized.
the torture, you know, wants a status. You know how when you like peel off like a face mask and it's like all in one
sheet? >> That's actually like one >> or like when you peel off a sunburn. >> Exactly.
>> I know. It's like >> So that's what the torturer was going for. He didn't want to have to work for
this [ __ ] >> He wanted satisfaction. >> So the victim would either be left out
in the hot sun all day while their skin burned. >> Oh. >> Or they would be dipped into a vat of
boiling water just until they were almost boiled alive. >> Just until they write crispy. This got
the skin nice and loose and it also just like prolonged the experience >> which is always something they're
looking for. >> Uh now when they would start to flay you they would usually begin with the face
skin. So you would have your entire face peeled. >> It's like a super nightmarish chemical
peel. >> Oh. And then cuts would be made around your arms, wrists, chest, neck, and
ankles because this would make it easier for the skin to come off in one satisfying piece.
And you didn't want all kinds of little ones because you wanted to be able to display the full all the sheets and it
would look like a person's skin. So, going back to Australia like we did last week, um I listened once to a case where
like this I'm pretty sure it was Australia and this lady did that to her husband and then hung him up in the
doorway. >> That's [ __ ] >> Yeah, >> that's intense. >> Like he did some real [ __ ]
>> Yeah, he did some >> No, nobody deserves that. That's [ __ ] up. >> But like you have to be real mad.
>> Yeah, she was pissed. But she was also like loco and Kabesa. >> I imagine >> she was. That's a lot of work.
>> Yeah. Well, then the cuts are only extended into the epidermis and stopped where the muscle begins.
>> Oh, >> so that hurts more basically. >> And they knew that back then. >> Yeah.
>> Wow. >> Yeah. And >> science. >> Now, in the the ancient church of Hadstock in Essex actually had a legend
of a Dne who had committed sacrilege and he was flayed for punishment. His skin was then spread out and nailed to the
door of the church. Wow. as a super subtle warning to others. >> That's far too subtle.
>> Now, when the door needed repair later, they found pieces of human skin still
under the nails. So, that's it like actually happened. >> Ew. >> And then at another cathedral uh in
England, I believe it's there's a large slab of human skin like on display and it was of another Dne who was a Viking
who tried to steal the church's bell, which like >> why were you trying to steal the
church's bell? And it's like you tried to steal the church's bell and they flayed you. Like damn. They were like
don't touch our [ __ ] bell. Now the reason I I'm sure all of you are wondering like, huh? What would it feel
like to be playing? >> I'm not wondering that to be honest. >> I'm sure everyone is wondering, right?
>> Well, I thought I was hungry and I'm not anymore. >> I'm actually still hungry. But um
>> of course you are. What's that picture that Bosco drew of you eating a sandwich?
>> Oh yeah, my friend Bosco who's an amazing artist and you should go find him. That's a cool picture.
>> He drew a picture of me during an autopsy eating a sandwich. >> Pretty believable.
>> I'll have to post that picture and tag him in it. >> You should >> cuz it's a great photo.
>> Um, so the reason this hurts like hell is that nerve endings extend really deep
into the layers of your skin and that enables your sense of touch. >> Like it's why your fingertips are really
sensitive. And if you've ever had a paper cut, you know that [ __ ] hurts more than anything. Um, this response is
caused by noceptors. So those are sensory nerve cells that respond to pain. Science. Science.
That was loud. Uh, playing involves tearing the skin away from the muscle, not cutting it.
>> So it's the ripping motion that means your nerve endings are just they're not
being sever severed cleanly. Instead, they're just [ __ ] torn to shreds. So, your nerve endings are just being like
bombarded. >> Yeah. It's not like a clean cut that they can like recover from. Um, you're
going to feel your skin being pulled off every bit of muscle. >> Oh my god. >> And you're literally going to feel your
nerve endings die. Like, you're going to feel every nerve ending die. You're going to feel all of it. So despite the
fact that those administering the torture may also be hitting you or hanging you upside down to keep you
awake and alert, which they often did, you may lose consciousness from blood loss, from pain and fear, or because
your brain is most definitely going to go into self-preservation mode and just start shutting [ __ ] down, right?
>> Which, thank goodness for our brains, >> for real. >> Or you could die from hypothermia even
if it's not cold out >> because you don't have your skin to protect you anymore. Cuz your skin is
the biggest one of the big it's the biggest and one of the most vital organs in the human body and it regulates
temperature. It protects all the other organs and systems in the body. So not only that, but you're exposed completely
to infection. O >> um you will definitely die because because of all that without your skin.
There's you can repair and regenerate skin >> without your skin, >> but once you've lost that much skin,
your body can't regenerate that much skin. Obviously, there's a there's an interesting story that I heard from
another podcast that's amazing and you should all go listen to Lore. I'm sure a lot of people have listened to it.
>> Yes, I love that. >> Aaron Mankey is amazing. >> He has a show on Amazon now.
>> Well, that's what I was thinking of. He has a show on Amazon called Lore and there's a story of Peter Stub and he was
a crazy serial killer and cannibal who was caught after what they what was thought to be a werewolf was killing
men, women, and children in Germany in the 16th century. >> Oh yeah, I remember watching that with
you. So he's called like a werewolf and well >> really he's just a >> So back in 1589 Peter Stub was arrested
and formally accused of being an insatiable blood sucker and evidence was provided that he had quote gorged on the
flesh of goats, lambs and sheep as well as men, women, and children for over 25 years.
>> That's horrible. >> So when he was caught, he was facing torture. So he confessed to having
murdered and eaten quote 14 children and two pregnant women. >> Jesus. >> So he was a piece of [ __ ] Now you would
have thought that he would have stopped there while he was like relatively ahead
cuz he was confessing. Confession. >> He was confessing. >> When you confess, >> you just got to get that [ __ ] out.
>> But uh no. He then declared that he quote extracted a fetus from a pregnant woman's womb and ate their hearts
panting hot and raw. Jesus. >> And he also confessed to having regular sex with his daughter and having had
intercourse with a quote succubus sent to him by the devil. So his execution was prolonged with torture obviously
>> apparently. >> So flesh was torn from his body in 10 places with red hot pinchers.
>> Ooh. >> Followed by his arms and his legs. They also pulled this. So they flayed him.
>> Oh wow. >> With red hot pinchers. Then his limbs were broken with the blunt side of an
axe head on the wheel. So they added in the wheel to this. This is like a nice little
>> They got really crafty for this one. >> It's like a casserole of torture. >> Yeah.
>> Just all throw him in the crockot. >> Thrown in one crockpot. >> And to per that was to now to prevent
him from returning from the grave, they then beheaded him and burned his body on
a p. >> Wow. >> Now his daughter and mistress were also flayed and strangled and burned.
>> Is that fair? Well, it was as a preventative measure against similar wolfish behavior
>> as if they were a wolf. >> So, they thought because they thought he was a werewolf. That was the whole
thing. They were like, "Well, they must be werewolves, too." >> And then after all this was done, the wheel
was erected on a pole with the figure of a wolf on it and topped by Peter Stub's
severed head. Whoa. So, that's the story of flying. And also Ramsay Snow did it on Game of Thrones.
>> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. Remember he did remember he says it about that uh >> Oh, the kid that they hung up, right?
>> Sansa's No, it's Sansa's like nurse. Remember she was like an old woman and he says something like tough old bird
like she was alive until we got to her neck or something like that. And I was like,
>> "Oh, wow." >> Ramsay Snowman. >> Yeah. >> Can we tell them our announcement? Oh,
yay. We have a fun announcement. out. We don't have a date for this yet. We're still in talks, but I'm really excited
to announce it. So, I'm hoping, >> don't yell at us if it doesn't happen. >> So, we were watching Dark Touris.
>> We were watching Dark Tourus and we were watching the episode where he goes to
New Orleans and he talks to people who are um vampires. >> Right >> now, we recognized this beautiful couple
of vampires that are married. >> They're so dope. >> They really are. And we were like, "Wait
a second. Where have we seen them before? >> I literally texted Elena and I was like,
"Are those the people that were on True Life when I was >> And they were they were on MTV like two
episodes." >> Yeah. >> Cuz they were on the episode back in 2014. They were in an episode Respect My
Sect. And it was following Daly, who is the vampire queen of Austin. >> Uhhuh. >> And and her husband, but it was focusing
on her. And then it was in another episode in 2016, True Life, I'm a witch, where like somebody go is part of this
court still. So you get to see Daly and her husband, Logan, who's the vampire king of Austin. They have a vampire
court of Austin where they have like more than 50 members according to the True Life.
>> Wow. >> episode and I'm sure they have more now. >> I mean, yeah, it makes sense.
>> And they are vampires and we were fascinated by it. and they seem like they're just like so in love and I love
their relationship. >> Their Instagrams are like >> it's adorable and also like we were kind
of inspired by the fact that they are just like unabashedly who they are and it's really like it's like makes you
want to know them cuz I mean how many of us can say that we just >> are unapologetically who we are all the
time >> and they found each other which is nice. So >> we were like to them >> and we reached out, talked to Daly and
asked her if she would ever want to speak to us for the podcast and she was kind enough to say she would her and
Logan would love to talk to us. So we are setting up an interview with the king and queen vampire of the Vampire
Court of Austin, Logan and Daily South. And we could not be happier. We are so excited. Your dog is making the most
disgusting noises next to me. I'm really sorry. >> We are so excited. We're gonna have a
date for you guys. We'll let you know cuz I think we're going to do it soon. >> Yeah.
>> So, um Yeah. So, get excited. We're going to be talking to the vampire king and queen of Austin.
>> This is like a big deal. >> We'll do we'll we'll um kind of mesh it in with a whole episode devoted to
vampirism because it's a really fascinating subject. >> Stop looking at my dog. >> I'm so I'm sure you guys are going to be
super into. So, >> it's interesting and awesome. So, yeah. Look forward to that.
>> Uh, check us out on Instagram, Morbid Podcast, and download us, subscribe, leave us reviews, rate us, tell your
friends, shout it from the rooftops. >> Just don't flay anyone. >> Just don't flay anyone. But you can
Bobby Fle someone. Uh, >> hey yo. So, yeah. Hope you liked our our foray into torture.
>> We hope you keep it weird. Bad huzzah. Huzzah. Mutton again. I don't know any other
medieval foods. Potatoes. Gravy. Right. Potatoes are medieval. Just like gravy. Gravy. It's over now.

Today we are revisiting an oldie! Episode 13: Torture! It's been around since the beginning of time and it used to almost always involve a spike. Today, Alaina and Ash will discuss the various medieval methods of pain and suffering that could only come from the twisted mind of the human species. Strap in, because this is a rough one.

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Ash and Elena discuss medieval torture methods and announce their upcoming interview with the Vampire King and Queen of Austin.

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