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philippoff who disappeared from Victoria British Columbia she was aged 26 she disappeared November 28th
2012 so we have a missing woman here Captain right and some say she had been acting strange and it also appears that
maybe she might have been planning something on the day that she went missing maybe a move or a travel off
somewhere we don't know I'm wondering we talked about this we wondered if the van
was operational that she had that was towed away that morning and we believe it was operational but maybe not to have
the ability to travel long distances yeah because it it could have just been need in need of
repair um we in this van okay after she disappeared they figured out that there were some items some personal belongings
of hers that were found in her red Mazda MPV you want me to read those off yeah read off your belongings or her
belongings so it was a red Mazda what it was a MPV it was a 93 so for those of you that don't know an MPV is actually a
very cool van I've always wanted one it's it looks like a traditional uh minivan but the cool thing about the MPV
it's an actual uh all-wheel drive vehicle it's a four-wheel drive so in the vehicle they found a passport a
library card a digital camera some clothes uh pillow a laptop and recently uh checked out books from the library
yeah she frequented the library there were books that she had checked out and they also found uh several of her
journals now we had talked about her movements on the 28th on the day that she went missing and we we know that she
went to the 7-Eleven twice right and on one occasion she picked up a prepaid credit card and on another occasion she
came back and picked up a prepaid cell phone now what are the leads in this case right where do we go from the point
where she disappeared so one would want to track either that cell phone or that prepaid credit card right MH so we have
the prepaid credit card it was tracked down uh they found out that it was being used by man he used it to purchase
cigarettes he purchased cigarettes with the card the man was located he was questioned fingerprinted and even
polygraphed uh his claim is that he found the card in the street uh this was about I believe 10 kilomet from where
Emma had talked to police where she was last it was around the hotel I believe mhm and uh he had used it he said he'd
found it in the street and because they questioned him thoroughly and they gave him the polygraph they believe him to be
totally honest about how he came about finding this credit card or prepaid card yeah this individual also contacted
Shelly and shell is Emma's mother shell runs uh a Facebook group on I don't know
if she runs it but she's very involved finding Emma uh Facebook group you might want to check that out but he contacted
her basically saying like I I told the police what I believe but I'm an alcoholic and I could have blacked out
and I'm not 100% sure where I found this item at he could have found it somebody
could have gave it to him he could have bought it off of somebody sometimes that
happens well he even said that he could have got it from her he doesn't know that's interesting um and well here's
the thing with the polygraph though right it's it if if he's telling you what he thinks happened it's he's going
to pass the polygraph I mean if he if he just has no freaking idea how he got the
thing you can't catch him in a lie he just doesn't know right uh we don't know what questions were administered during
that test and uh but for whatever reason I mean it's probably started off where where did you find the credit card yeah
yeah that probably one of the questions but uh for whatever reason the authorities believe him to be as honest
as he could be about how he came about finding the card now regarding the prepaid cell phone uh this cell phone
has not been located but according to the company uh the phone has never been activated or used right um so that that
lead kind of Di but I think what it's coming I think where you're going with this though is
that it seems to me that she was planning to leave based on getting the uh prepaid prepaid credit card and
getting the cell phone one thing that I would ask uh well I was going to say ask
myself but uh I would go ahead ask yourself we'll wait we'll all wait I would ask anybody involved in this case
why why do you need a prepaid credit card when when she has a debit card that has access to just under $33,000 is
there is there something that you can't purchase using a debit card that you need to purchase with a prepaid credit
card or is it just for the fact of you don't want that purchase to linked to you right you know because you don't
have to give a name when you buy a prepaid credit card you just you just have this set amount that you can spend
on whatever that's an interesting point you know I'd always wondered about that now you touched on uh you talked about
Emma's mother shell now we should point out that her mother stayed in the city of Victoria and again this is very far
from shelle's home she stayed there this is across the country yeah it's it's a 45 minute drive I don't know how long it
takes to fly there 45 minute drive a 45h hour drive sorry it's across the country
it's part two it's a little Loosey Goosey right now it's very late in the garage but anyway Victoria uh is where
she was staying and this is far from her home home you know she had pets and more
importantly she had other children to look after some of these are older kids um but she stayed there to look for Emma
and to help create awareness regarding Emma's disappearance yeah so originally her plan was that she was going to stay
for possibly 3 days that was her original plan I'm going to I'm going to get my plane ticket head out there I'm
going to bring my daughter home or at least see what's going on with her because she's been calling me over and
over so she gets out there mhm can't find her they do the missing uh person report and she figured well I'm
just going to stay here for these three days and she's going to turn up after those 3 days she doesn't turn up and so
she says well I'm going to stay a week and she figured I will be able to find her within a week doesn't find her
within a week I believe she end she ends up staying in that hotel for close to 3
months yeah it was it was right around the two Monon or over two Monon Mark um now now but you like you had said she
believes she's going to find her daughter obviously uh for several reasons one the authorities tell her you
know given her age uh she might just be out with friends she might just be you know she's in her mid 20s she might just
be out partying somewhere she may have uh tied one on and not come home you know or not checked into the shelter uh
the other thing to think about here too is she was living somewhat of a transient lifestyle you know she was
staying on on a house boat or boats I don't know how big these boats were if you could even call them a house boat
but she was staying on boats asked the captain she had she had stayed at friends homes she had stayed in the
shelter and for all we know she may have even slept a night or two in her van um
and the tree tree yeah so she's living a transient lifestyle she could turn up any day and that's really what her
mother expected to happen but did not happen and she ends up staying there for just over two months um and you know
this is a sticky situation right you know you want to stay there obviously and look for your child you want to stay
and do anything you can but you also have all these responsibilities at home and you have others that need you at
home and it's just truly a terrible terrible situation yeah but this is your daughter you're going to do anything
that you can right I think I think that's a a given any good mother would and I think she was doing you know as
much as she could which I think you know God bless her on that and I think you have to remain
hopeful but I also think that the cops were not only do we think that maybe she could have just like went and hung out
with some friends and she'll turn up but most of the cops don't believe that there was foul play at this point right
they're thinking that you know she either is hanging out with somebody or she's she went missing on her own uh
terms mhm and we talked about uh the documentary that had come out uh finding Emma and we should point out that that
came about because of her mother Shelly right she got in contact with somebody at the CBC and explained her daughter's
story to them and they decided to cover it in this documentary and it was because of this documentary finding Emma
that uh it created great awareness for the case you know it sent everybody everybody looking for Emma and this
creates some leads at first uh and and the first one that it comes up with is a Emma filipof sighting uh this was
somebody that had seen what he or she believed was Emma philipov yeah it was in a coffee shop yeah and this have you
seen this picture this was yes I have and this was in nearby Vancouver yeah but right Vancouver which has a huge
homeless population but when you saw this picture what did you think uh I thought the same thing that a lot of
people thought it it I mean it looks just like her well yeah and it's and it's actually to the point where not
even to the point where you say it looks just like her it's it is her you know what I mean uh and actually and that's
exactly what occurred you know and and not only that Captain it's in a nearby proximity to where she went missing
Victoria is very close to the big big city of Vancouver as you said there is uh there is a homeless population there
it so there are people large living a transient lifestyle um you know and I believe I'm not call that the ultimate
transient lifestyle here's the other thing though I I'm not certain but I believe that Vancouver is like the Las
Vegas of Canada not not with the gambling but you know how like Las Vegas is considered
no I don't know about that but but Las Vegas is considered like the the culinary uh capital of the United States
you know there's every expensive restaurant you can think of is in Las Vegas and her having been a chef was
interesting to me that that she might find her way to Vancouver where where you could earn a good living doing that
kind of that profession um and as you but but here's the thing too it looks exactly like her everybody thinks that
it's Emma but not only that it's it's of a woman seen in a cof shop M she was known to have visited coffee
shops well that's not that far of a stretch everybody visits coffee shops yeah but I don't stay at a coffee shop I
I get in the aisle I purchase something and then I leave but what I'm what I'm getting you're not as cool as everybody
qu quit sighing because what I'm getting at here is that Emma was known to have sat in coffee shops and and write in her
journal and and and stay there for a period of time the person that said that they had seen her and
and they said that she was in the coffee shop writing yeah this sounds this looks
like Emma I think in the picture she's reading but I'm not 100% yeah it but but so it looks like her looks like her and
it's describing actions that she was known to have done right so here we go it's her we solved it we found her but
then here comes the wrinkle well well before the wrinkle the Philip officer shown the the picture and they say like
you said it's over the case is over we found our daughter right now give us the wrinkle well then the boyfriend of this
girl contacts the authorities and says this is not Emma this is my girlfriend and that's basically it yeah but they
they ultimately locate the girl and know that well maybe it's not the boyfriend I
might have screwed that up you did screw it up a little bit Yeah they end up locating the girl and they talk to her
well no she came forward that's what it was and I watched a lot of stuff on this
man and it's not her unfortunately it's not Emma um it's just somebody else that
that's cooler than me that sits in coffee shops and journals um but the next lead is of well okay this can only
be described there's a few different names for this next lead some people call it the missing poster man some
people call it the green shirt man I call it the green shirt man you call it the green shirt man I call it the weird
dude man uh this again is taking place in nearby Vancouver this is about 6 months after Emma had disappeared a man
of course wearing a green shirt and jeans enters a small store yeah kind of Boutique type store
yeah and he had he had removed a missing person's poster of Emma right and he's got it kind of like wound up or crumpled
up in his hand you can see it in still pictures right I don't think they saw him remove the the the poster he just
had a crumpled up poster in his hand and he pretty rudely told the clerk that the
picture was of his girlfriend and that she was not missing and that she just wants to be left alone that's the story
that I get confused with the coffee shop girl yeah and he and he's very rude about this right and uh here's the
thing the man the the weird missing poster green shirt man dude he's not been located you know the the
authorities want to speak to this man well let's go a little further cuz I might have some information that you
didn't find fantastic so there was um with this finding Emma Facebook page again if you have any any information go
check that out but on their page they were posting pictures of Emma or just posting different posts so this bar from
Vancouver liked one of the things and it was talking about the the post was about
the green shirt man we're trying to find this guy and it was like a like and maybe this bar so the bar joined the
group lik this post and at some point said like well look at that or something like the comment was look at here or
something like that and so meaning go ahead well I don't know what it means so did they post a picture like are they
are we supposed to look for something in the picture they're just posting a comment yeah they're just so so the
Facebook group posted a picture of the green shrip man right on that picture that this bar
liked it and then made some weird comment well if you go to the Facebook page of this bar and you start sifting
through their pictures guess who's sitting at the bar the green shirt man in a green shirt I don't think he's in a
green shirt but but a guy matching the description of the green shirt man right and so I I believe um and this is what
is been so great about uh the Facebook group uh they're not just sharing stuff on social media they're actually going
out and hitting the pavement and trying to follow these leads and really helping
out uh Shelly and the Philip off family so uh Big Ups to you guys on the Facebook group so I believe they went
out to the bar and asked questions and they but they couldn't locate the guy but it's still a little odd MH yeah and
the the store clerk uh from from the convenience store we were talking about he is the one that notifies the police
after this encounter after he's on the wrong end of this rude verbal display by the green shirt man uh he notifies the
authorities and they did have video footage of it like you said there are some still pictures as well green shirt
man they could should have called him the mean shirt man and uh you know this guy has this is somebody that they
obviously want to talk to this is a man that has not come forward talk to him and which is you know which is very
troubling yeah it's just such an odd comment this is my girlfriend and she's missing again the only thing that I
again maybe there's some weird mental thing going on with this guy maybe he's an alcoholic and he's just saying some
weird stuff just to say weird stuff um there's a I want to know what his intentions are for saying this comment
oh no exactly and that's that's what everybody wants to know that's the million-dollar question and the the
interesting thing here too for me is that you know when we talk about these different cases whether it be uh
disappearance or a murder or anything like that we have these weird hearsay incidences from time to time MH the
difference here is this is captured his picture and image has been captured by the the you know we can see it on the
footage from the convenience store so we know this is not just some store clerk calling in saying this happened and we
have to go off of what they're saying we we can see it with our own we know this
happened we know they want to talk to this guy but we don't know who he is what are our other leads on this case
here Captain I mean we we talked about some some small leads right we talked about the cell phone the the credit card
the uh the green mean shirt man uh the the spotting of what we originally thought was Emma and turns out not to be
her these are all these are all short stories right we have a couple of long stories I think that are are are
potential leads in this case what do you want to dive into her friend Julian again yeah we well we we should you know
um yeah let's let's kick it off there okay so again like we talked about in part
one we we have this guy Julian that becomes friends um new friends with Emma and then she left and Perth they become
friends in Perth Ontario right which is on one side of the country country all of the sudden now Julian is in um
Victoria and this is very odd because what are the chances that you strike up this relationship with this girl the
relationship is then severed and then a couple months later you end up in Victoria and he runs into Emma and and
we have to point out here uh Julian by his own words states that he had no prior knowledge of where Emma was
planning to move to he had no prior knowledge he he says he believed that she planned to move out west somewhere
somewhere yeah um but you know that's a 45h hour drive between Perth and where she ends up so there's a lot of places
west of Perth right uh he he knows that she plans on moving out west and he happens to pick the same city yeah and
and he did it interview with the nighttime podcast our our buddy Jordan um did that interview with him you got
to check that that out nighttime podcast and it's I think the third part right yeah and you want to he goes into more
detail and he explains how he decided to pick uh Victoria but but he's also honest like I had a good relationship
with this girl even though it was severed uh I had a you know a fascination with her she was a positive
person in my life I kind of wanted her to stay in my life so yeah I hope I would see her again so he's working and
one day he catches this girl uh you know her eyes and it's Emma and they talk for
a minute and he's at work and he's on lunch break and she says oh well you know uh it was good
running into you we'll have to catch up and she's asking about his work schedule
and and stuff like that yeah he says that she is pleasantly surprised surprised by his Yeah by seeing him yeah
and maybe you know and maybe she's one of those people that believe okay some time passed and and maybe she believes
that the Universe uh gives you certain things that you need and and sometimes the universe points you into the right
direction so anyways they that's at lunchtime he says to her and and I applaud him being being
a gentleman hey do you want to come back later and we'll C up and take you out to
eat and she says to him well you know I don't like to plan things out that far in advance now I believe she was just
saying that as a you know a nice way to say no uh but then he runs into her a couple more times now and he says you
know we we can only go off of his story you know there's two sides to the story we only get to hear one well there's
three but and uh the one side that we get to hear is his and he says that I did I did not try to to ask her for a
number or you know where I could find her I I told her where I worked because it was just you know a couple doors down
from where they bumped into one another well and I think she asked like what are
you doing here I'm working yeah and he he he tells her and you know that if you ever want to hang out or if you ever
want to catch up with me you know where I work just drop in and and ask for me yeah and sometimes I think I think
that's the best approach that you can have I mean you You' had situations where maybe you're pushing the issue to
have this friendship maybe too much and so I think he was doing the right thing there where he's like okay I still am
infatuated with this girl I still enjoy hanging out with her you know he I mean I think he made the comment that these
10 minutes that they talked were like some of the T 10 best minutes of his life but I mean who knows it could just
be great conversation and that's something that I love what go ahead but what I mean but whether he's still
infatuated with it or not it might be a great 10 minutes for him because he's in
a new place maybe he doesn't know anybody yet and he sees a familiar person and not only that somebody that
he considered to be a very good friend that he obviously wanted to be long-term friends with right and so then he he
claims that he runs into her a couple more times but the next time he runs into her she's definitely something's
off she's not pleasantly surprised to see him the second time yeah but and it but it's like weird
because it's and I don't want to go into too many details because there's so much
stuff in that interview that you need to check out but basically the the the short end of the the stick is that he
ran into her a couple more times and there was some kind of a friendship that that went on now what he told Jordan in
the interview which he never even told authorities was he saw her the day of November 28th MH and he saw her from
across the street and she had no shoes on and you know just like her other acquaintance said and he thought
something was up but again he didn't want to push the issue cuz he's done that before so he just makes the
statement to her hey if you ever want to hang out sometime and he and he kind of
talks to her and he leaves now what where we go from here is that we know that Emma went missing well
then Julian gets involved in the group now at some point um he at some point Julian sends Facebook
messages to Emma's father uh and then I think eventually sends Facebook messages
to Emma's mother but Julian gets involved in the search well and even before that he had sent a Facebook
message to her father because there was a concert in Victoria that he wanted to go to right right and he was going to go
this wasn't something like he saw Emma and he was like oh I'm going to go to this concert this was a concert he
really wanted to go to and he thought oh I have somebody here that I know I could
invite her and I think according to him he says in the Facebook message to her Father James you know if if she gets in
contact with you or if you can get in contact with her let her know I'm going to this concert I have an extra ticket
and she could just drop by my store right uh he works at like some kind of Outdoor Store I don't know exactly what
that means but um yeah I was trying to sum it up quick because like it's it's a long interview and there's a lot of
details and so if you really want to dive in that check out the nighttime podcast but so there's some weird stuff
and and and one of the Facebook messages he he says that he was stalking now this
is coming from a guy that is French so some of his the choice of words that he uses are sometimes off right so it's
interesting that he saw her the day she went missing and then he gets a part of this group well then this is where it
gets weird is because now people are going this this guy's gestures there's some creepy stuff about it mhm and I
think he's well aware of that too and and I think most guys have been in a situation where maybe you're a little
too infatuated with somebody and you do some things that are borderline creepy maybe borderline stalker but you don't
see it at the time you just see I like this girl I'm a nice guy you you know what I mean like oh yeah yeah he checks
all those boxes yes yes yes yes yes yes he checks all so then as they can't find Emma well he becomes
a suspect and he he then since removes himself from the group and has not really helped much in in the search
anymore uh but Law Enforcement wants to talk to him so they bring them in and he
figures that they're going to question him about The Disappearance of Emma but how does he get involved in the search
right he he bumps into her mother yeah but right no but he actually hears from one of his friends that Emma's missing
right so so that's because it's national news at this point so he inserts himself
in the the search but I guess you would too I mean first of all this girl is from Perth where you're from and now
she's in Victoria where you're at now and she went missing and you don't have any friends here or a small group of
friends if you have any and so you insert yourself in this search because this is a good person that you admire
that you had some fascination with and you're going to try to uh help any way you can I agree with all that but what
I'm saying is he doesn't like walk into a police station and say hey I knew her from Perth and I've seen her here a
couple times how can I help no he bumps into her mother at a library um the library that uh that Emma was known to
have gone to from time to time and was he going there to help and look for Emma we don't know was he going there to look
for Emma's mother and then insert himself into the the search or the investigation right we don't know his is
hiss yeah we don't know what his agenda was and and maybe he thought simply I I I'll help I'm going to help them find
her and then uh brownie points for me you know so I can get closer to Emma look I don't know and some of the stuff
he did was a little weird and like I said it borders creepy bord stalker some of it it's like he's putting his toe
over the line and kind of dancing but anyways the they give him a lie detector right and he passes the
polygraph and he even states in the interview that I didn't think they were going to talk about murder they were
going to talk about her disappearance MH and so when they started asking questions about you know did you murder
Emma he just I think he could just kind of shut down altogether again and that said once the
finding Emma documentary came out he then went and had a conversation with Jordan our buddy uh doing a podcast and
I feel like if he had something to hide that he wouldn't do an interview right and it's a long interview and what
Jordan said was I contacted him I talked to him for about an hour on the phone he
didn't want to do the interview and eventually just called back and said I'll do it cuz he wanted to clear his
name so not only did he take the polygraph but he also did this interview uh on the nighttime podcast and and he
was in the uh documentary as well yeah yeah he's in in uh and that's the thing he did some on camera interviews for the
documentry uh so he seems to be helpful um and I know that here's the reason why
the nighttime podcast interview is a must listen uh because it's a lengthy interview it's extremely interesting
very well produced but here's the other thing right there are a lot of things that he says in there uh you know not
our friend Jordan obviously Jillian the the the suspect there are a lot of things that Jillian says in there that
makes him sound very guilty there are things in there that he says that make him sound very
innocent uh and there's there's a portion in there too I can't remember if it was right at the end or near the end
of the interview but it sounds like he is he's breaking down a little bit like he's getting choked up emotionally he's
the emotions are coming out and and and and I mean in a way of somebody that is truly hurt by The Disappearance of this
woman well not only is he probably hurt that she disappeared but he's also hurt that he's being after this documentary
came out you know even though he he was qu operative he passed these tests people are still pointing the finger at
this guy and I think that really bothered him cuz he's just like and it also bothers him too I mean think about
this way people go oh well you were her acquaintance well you I guess in definition he was an
acquaintance because they were only friends for a little bit of time but they they were building a friendship and
and a friendship has to start somewhere and he considered her a friend he considered somebody that's uh positive
in his life and I think it's sad but and and yeah you can see some creepy stuff in his interview but at the same time
he's opening himself up and he's allowing himself to be vulnerable and he didn't have to do that and and I commend
him for doing such and I think uh I think it cleared up a lot of stuff in my mind because as you start diving into
the case you start going well maybe this you know quote unquote stalker guy and we only call him a stalker and most
people only call him a stalker because in one of the EMA emails to the father he used the word stalker well and that's
how he's been labeled by others by the general public he's we're not we don't mean to label him that it's just but law
enforcement does not label him as a stalker and yeah and they they don't know if he's even involved in anything I
I don't think he is um I I think okay that's fine little misunderstood I'm with you on that I
think he's misunderstood I think I don't understand him that's for sure and uh yeah but he doesn't come off as there
there there is some Sweetness in in his tone and his agree with that 100% but the thing that I keep kind of
going back to here is on a scale of 1 to 10 how weird is it that he ends that he
goes from Perth to Victoria MH and and she's in Victoria I mean come on on a scale of 1 to 10 that's at least a nine
right that's very close to a 10 I wonder sometimes if it's just maybe he heard conversation and passing so when he was
picking he was like oh yeah well this Victoria checks off all these things on my list he had some reasons for going
there you're exactly right yeah well he had tons of reasons and and his current employer when he was in Perth was had
people that had rentals out there so it was like okay well now I know where I can get housing he had a lead on a job
and but I think there was something in his back of his head that like maybe this comment that Emma made where if she
was going to go out west it would be one of these cities MH and I I think he knew
that on some level and was just hopeful I don't think look I mean it's a very difficult
thing when you find somebody and you really enjoy their company you really enjoy looking at them it's a I mean
that's a big risk you got to open it yourself up to them and and try to and you have the fear of being rejected so I
don't know I mean there there's parts to me that there's Parts when I'm listening
to that interview that I just feel bad for him oh definitely yeah I definitely feel bad for him on on some level but
you know okay here's another weird thing too right uh Shelly Emma's mom states that you know they paid the parents paid
for Emma's flight to get her to Victoria however beforehand she was so ready to go that Emma had purchased a
bus ticket to ride out there and Shelly believes that that Emma would have walked around with this bus ticket in
her back pocket and that that somebody that knew her may have been able to see that bus ticket whether she had told
anybody exactly where she was going or not right well Emma and excuse me Emma and Julian were
constantly taking walks together so again who knows I mean he he could have seen something MH but I again I don't
think that makes him uh responsible for her disappearance circling back to Shelly
philipov so you know we said that she had worked very hard to find her daughter that's not in dispute here uh
she put up posters she went out on the streets she was showing people pictures of her daughter she was asking strangers
and showing pictures to strangers of her daughter and asking them if have they seen her do they know her well she went
on a a podcast that wasn't famous yeah and I mean she was doing some crazy stuff and like I said I believe she was
a big part in spearheading the idea for the documentary getting that out on the CBC which made this a national case it
brought national attention to Emma's case um there there is a but there's a weird wrinkle here too right Captain
there's the a drug charge yeah we we see a drug charge re against Shelly MH and this is a what a result of her son that
that her son is living with her or staying from time to time and they find drugs and guns in the house yeah what I
heard um was that he was into real estate he had four properties I believe at the time and instead of living in one
he decided that he was going to leave all of them so he was going to he put all of them on the market then he took
pretty much all his belongings and then put them in his mother's house so again totally reasonable that you would go in
and out of your parents house because you have things in storage I think everybody's been at that point in their
life where maybe they're going from apartment to house and there's this uh overlap so all his belongings are there
and whatever criminal activities he was involved in the law enforcement were following him for a long time and
eventually uh they charged him with drug charges so the majority of the charges are going to him but because this stuff
was also found in her house you know she's getting charges it's her address it's her house he's not
technically living there or receiving mail there um so she looks Guilty by Association basically uh and most people
would not talk about the charges because it's an open case she's been pretty uh forthcoming about her explanation of
this you can hear that uh with Jordan as well yeah and and and actually she in my
opinion one stands up very well for herself but she's also not making any excuses for her son no uh and you know I
know she loves her son very much and still does and always will um but but again she not making any excuses for him
she's not saying whether he's guilty or not but but uh she's saying there was something going on there well I talked
to a detective today about this too I was just going over the case and seeing if if I just missed anything that was
pretty obvious and when he was when I brought up these Dr drug charges and I explained her explanation he said that
that's very logical to me so uh he he was on the side of she's probably not going to eventually they're probably not
going to go through with the charges or if she is charged with them she's probably not going to be found guilty of
them in all likelihood they're using that as leverage if they need to get more information right they're going to
threaten the mother the owner of the home yeah which sucks because she's she's not going to want to turn on her
son it's a bit of a process though and it's part of the process and if they need more information on the son they
might have to threaten jail time to the mother to get that needed information because you know know they're probably
they're probably going after a bigger fish right yeah and yeah so they'll lean on Shelly then lean on the sun and then
keep leaning until they get bigger and bigger people um the first thing I thought though when I saw these charges
brought up was does this make Emma's actions on the surveillance cameras make sense cuz it constantly
looks like she's looking at you know like looking for somebody or she's maybe afraid of somebody
but I I don't think so I think these charges have nothing to do with the case I think it's just one of those weird
things when you have a missing person case there's normally so little information of the events after you know
a little bit before and then basically all you have to go off of is Early Childhood Events maybe some Journal
writings maybe some pictures you found that aren't uh developed and then it's just all this
Randomness so I think because it was such big news in Canada that once these charges came out it just it was like oh
now the story gets juicier but I believe that these charges have nothing to do with Emma's disappearance at all yeah
and you know what's funny is the thing that that resonates with me the thing that I keep keeps ringing in my ears you
know we had we had a friend of ours A friend of the show Once tell us what you don't get two coincidences in in a
disappearance James R or a murder case you just in a in a an unsolved crime there's not two
coincidences as a result of one person being involved and we have this weird situation here where we have two
coincidences with two separate people we have it with the mother Shelly you know
she's on the phone with her daughter can I come home yes you can come home can you come out here and help me yes I can
come out here and help you oh I'm told and turned away and told not to come out there but I come out on my own anyway
and her daughter investigates a ride to the airport the same evening these are these
are double coincidences that are weird and then second of all we have the situation with Jillian who were they
were friends in Perth and he happens to land in the same spot that she landed and he happens to bump into her and he
believes he sees her on the last day that she has yeah well the the whole Emma going to the airport and the Mom
heading out that way is a coincidence but it's also a coincidence that she the day that she goes out there that she is
report you know she's last seen 3 hours before she gets there that's a coincidence too you know you go out
there to to help her and she's gone you know um but yeah it's just I mean it's such a riddle of a case
and we should also mention that in the area that she she went missing from you know there was that hotel that we talked
about but there was also a bridge and there was also um I think a Arbor going through there MH so here's the thing
though we have two people that are close to her let's say right uh well one's a mom one's a a friend oh yeah and two
people that are close to her that you could they are close to the case are they suspects uh you could make an argument
that they are I I don't I don't see it at the end of the day I i' no well I think first of all until she's found
everybody's a suspect still everybody's a suspect but I also see that maybe in this situation you do get two
coincidences and and maybe maybe yeah maybe you do and that's one of the things that makes it such a fascinating
case but you but it makes one Wonder too okay she looked to Emma looked to have been planning something she's making
preparations for something right okay so she this is what's weird obviously the the prepaid cell phone is weird the
prepaid credit card is weird when she already has a debit card is she running from someone is she or is she just
running because that's her nature is she running from because she thinks her mother's coming to town right is she
running because she's bumping into this Jillian guy that he that she doesn't want to see that that's a reminder of
Perth and maybe she doesn't want a reminder of Perth right uh is she trying to get away and also create no link to
where she ends up uh we do know that both those items were not used by her so that seems like a dead end right that
seems like maybe she you know if she took off she didn't use those preparations yeah you well and she
didn't use her credit card I mean not her credit card but her bank accounts weren't touched either so you don't you
don't take any of your possessions these these things that you are preparing for some reason this the
card the phone they're gone they're not used and I don't think I I don't know to me
if she did run away I I don't think she ran away with a right mind no no and and you we'll we'll go
down that Avenue here in just a second but one thing I want to talk about real quick
is I think that a big solution to this problem is we need to the the reason why it's so difficult to figure out her
disappearance is because we don't know what her intentions were that day we don't know if she was planning something
or not and I I think the way to figure that out the answer to that for me is the van right she the the van is towed
and and we are told that she's a very she's a very private person we're told this by not not just one person we're
told this by many people right that she seems to be a very private person she keeps her thoughts to herself her mother
says so her her father says and it's almost like with these journals that she writes poetically so maybe she's the
only one that understands them or maybe it's encrypted like you said that maybe she's the only one that gets it and the
thing that that's driving me mad here is that she left those journals behind she
left those in the van in somebody else's control and the thing is we know a lot about her movements that day but the
thing that I failed to see time and time again in her movements that day there seems to be no action towards retrieving
that van or her belongings that are in the van which seems very strange to me of a very private person now this might
Point towards what you're talking about a mental break right you know and we had
talked about the shelter she had stayed in this shelter at a month this month at a month
the next you know from time to time she's in and out of this shelter now most of these shelters you have to obey
their curfew rules and the other thing is you can't show up messed up on drugs or alcohol when you come into these
places I don't know the specifics of this location but if it carries through to to the other locations that I know of
what what the staff was seeing there was they were seeing increased paranoia they
were seeing an increased mental break they wondered if she was eating there was a question if she may have been uh
anorexic or Bic or or something of that nature and there seems to be a lot going
on inside of Emma that they are saying and they don't believe that it's drug related there seems to be she's spiring
spiraling out of control a bit here right and who knows if that that prepaid credit card or the prepaid cell phone if
those were preparations for her to make an exit or if those were just random things that she did because she's
confused right yeah and and she could be going in and out of a manic States so and that that's where it becomes if she
gets out of that state maybe she you know maybe that's what really confused me is when she's calling for help you
know come get me come get me and then she's just don't I I wonder if it's like you know fading in and out of this like
reality and she's like okay what the hell am I doing here where's my family somebody help me and then she starts
fading back into some kind of more psychotic State and she's like no no I can handle this you know but but you
still have to make the phone call to the mother so I don't know I mean this is a
it's a riddle uh wrapped in a mystery I mean this is um a tough one well the thing I really worry about here and I
really kind of lean more towards the side of a mental break or a more diving into a transient lifestyle um cuz we've
seen that type of behavior from her in her past at a very young age of 16 she seems to kind of be hopping around
trying to figure out things and move from place to place um so I lean towards either of those conclusions that she is
still out there that she uh whether it be because of a mental issue that she's ended up somewhere or that she chooses
to move around or chooses to live elsewhere I lean that way but the thing that scares me and the thing that really
worries me here is that in either of those situations could have left her very vulnerable and somebody could have
taken advantage of that and and I mean that for the worse um and that's that's what's scary here and that's that is
what makes me wonder why we've not seen use of that debit card and we've not seen her turn up
anywhere well like I was saying by the hotel there the bridge and there's this water and they did they did do some
diving to search and they didn't find anything and what they said was if she did jump into the water that she would
have Flo up she would have surfaced at some point uh but I there was a there's a lot of water there right yeah but the
more I've been digging uh you know there is also a big percentage of people go yeah well that's what people assume what
would happen but there's a possibility that she would actually been been taken out to see so my thought uh I think the
the conclusion I come up with is is if she was having this break and then when she has the encounter with the police
that might even send her off into more spiraling and if she did uh you know if she ended up passing it I
think it was through that water mhm if she didn't pass through there and she left on her own I don't think she's left
in the in a a proper mental state so and maybe there's you know I I don't know how that stuff works I'm not a doctor
I'm a captain um but did she just keep fading and fading and and completely lose touch
with reality and I think this is somewhat of uh Shell's thoughts too and the police have stated multiple times
they don't think that there was Foul Play involved right and so they're saying that for a reason um so like we
were talking about Vancouver she's been going to Vancouver lot spent some time there and looking because of the big
homeless population and normally um based on you know there's a huge population of the homeless that have
mental illnesses your conclusions Captain are that this the waters involved that probably mental break
suffering some mental health issues one out of the two that were just going on and on and uh may have led to her taking
her own life or an accidental death well I guess the you know the water if if there was
some suicidal thought maybe that she was just having this break and it's hard to
say it's hard to say suicide because you know because mental illness doesn't always lead to Suicide we know that and
and sometimes it can lead to bounce of Amnesia too well no but what I'm saying is that like I don't know like it that's
just a tough that whole situation is just a a tough thing in general but I think it it would have been because of
the mental illness that she would say that she would think in her head I'm going to jump into this
water yeah and I I lean towards the mental illness thing or transient lifestyle um one because we've seen both
behaviors and yeah but the transient lifestyle just doesn't make any sense to me like you just leave all your
belongings here's the other thing that here's my big question but they they may go hand in hand is what I'm saying no no
I no I see that but but I think there's a big difference between being homeless and being and transient
lifestyle my big question and I would like to know this answer is she we brought up those selfies the pictures
with the Selfies MH and we brought up that they found a digital camera in her van
right they would have hopefully somebody would have knowledge of which cameras she had and I'd be interested if one of
those cameras were missing because I think if she was going to take out on her own I think that's the one
thing she would not leave behind you're saying she may have had multiple cameras
and even though there was a camera found in the van that she may have taken another camera was there another camera
or was she just known to have this one camera and they found that one camera cuz to me that's a that's uh you know I
could leave a lot of stuff behind but there's certain items that I couldn't as far as an artist goes mhm and you know
know it's just I mean when you go on vacation when I go on vacation I have to take a guitar with me like I just have
to well that's my work but I have today you know I can't go on vacation without a guitar and and the thing for me
Captain that would would present some answers to me and help me come up with a better conclusion would be like I said
was there can anybody find any evidence that on November 28th that she was trying to locate her van or she because
we know the she had the money to retrieve it uh and and being a private person I wonder about having those
journals left in the van out of her control um what that would mean to her um so that's that's one answer that I
need in this case and there's there's many many answers that need to be to be solved um it's a fascinating case it's
there's a lot of weird things that happened leading up to her disappearance and it only left us with so many
questions afterward yeah we're just and really I mean we could have talked about
another couple episodes yeah let's stay here till Thursday no l we don't have time for that but the main reason that
we we're talking about this case is um to try to help in any way we can this case uh was big in Canada but there has
been you know I've seen things where there's sightings in Vancouver I've seen that there possible sightings in Seattle
so anything that we can do to get the word out and and we're going to like I said post pictures and stuff and
hopefully we can just create awareness mhm and yeah and even though they found her passport in the van her mother has
always said that the United States would have been somewhere that she could have
ended up you know she could have easily traveled to the states so we need to locate Emma philippoff she was 5'5
approximately 90 to about 110 PB mhm uh she had blonde hair at times brown hair at times Sandy blond um and and she
would be 30 years old this year um and you can get more information at the Facebook page help find Emma you can get
a better description there there's also ways to report a tip uh I would recommend if you believe that you see
her or you know her whereabouts you can call 911 um anything that you can do to help
and check out the Facebook page help find Emma and also as we post pictures of Emma feel free to share those on
social media to help spread the word so we can help um Shelly and the Philip off
family I mean cuz it's just a sad thing and I know we brought up some questionable things about the family
that's just basically to cover the whole case uh we don't think there's any involvement at all again um take a
look be on the lookout do whatever you can uh and let's um help this family out thanks all of you for joining us in the
garage this week thanks again to our sponsors and a big thank you to Jordan from the nighttime podcast yeah check
that out uh part one part two and part three he interviews Shelly and interviews Julian and um just keep doing
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26 year old Emma Fillipoff has been missing for almost 4 years now. There have been plenty of strange leads in this case. Emma is spotted and photographed in a nearby city sipping coffee at a coffee shop - or so they thought. A strange unidentified man gets upset when he sees Emma's missing persons poster. He rips the poster off of the wall and tells a store clerk that the picture is of his girlfriend. Then there's the stalker. Was Emma stalked or was it as he puts it "we were just friends." Emma's mother Shelley Fillipoff spends 2 months in a city far from her home searching for her missing daughter. After criminal charges are filed against her on an unrelated event, the public eye has now become very suspicous of the mother who arrived in a city far from her home the very same day her daughter was last seen there. Grab a beer because there is plenty to talk about tonight in the garage.

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Brief Summary

Emma Philipoff disappeared in 2012; her case involves strange behaviors, family efforts, and various leads, including a friend who became a suspect.

Key points

Emma Philipoff's Disappearance. Emma Philipoff went missing from Victoria, British Columbia, on November 28, 2012.
The Prepaid Card Mystery. Emma purchased a prepaid credit card before her disappearance, raising questions about her intentions.
Emma's Mother's Determination. Emma's mother stayed in Victoria for months searching for her daughter.
The Coffee Shop Sighting. A sighting of a woman resembling Emma in a coffee shop sparked hope, but it wasn't her.
The Green Shirt Man. Witnesses describe a man in a green shirt linked to a troubling incident.
Julian's Odd Coincidence. Julian unexpectedly runs into Emma after moving to Victoria, raising suspicions.

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