DeOrr Kunz /// Part 2 /// 305 | Forensic Files

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before we dive too much further into this missing child case we want to take this opportunity to listen to an
interview conducted with leme High County Sheriff Lynn Bowerman and this is from East Idaho news.com let's go back
to the beginning can you kind of give us a timeline as to when the family arrived
and what preceded well the family from what I understand that we learned during the investigation arrived the evening
prior to July 10th sometime fairly close to dark on Thursday July 9th and then they want to went to town and let or and
upon returning they supposedly thought they were turning their child over to their grandfather the child's
great-grandfather they went down to the creek which is right next to the campground and with him 10 to 15 minutes
they go up to find their child to show him some fish in the stream and he's nowhere to be found and grandfather
assumes he's gone down to them because he was within their line of sight and wasn't too far from the campground they
started their initial search and eventually called 911 when they realized they couldn't find the child where was
mr. Wrenn wand at during all of this he was in the same general proximity the creek it's just over the bank
he's downstream there upstream they're all within probably 100 150 feet of each other very close proximity very close so
they call 9-1-1 you guys arrive and begin searching correct and at this point were where their vehicle searched
the tents I guess everything out there was probably searched we did a come I think a very thorough investigation we
we took two initial track dogs in one of them being mine and one being salmon police department they're trained to
search for people who are lost they were given a cent they went from the campground up to the reservoir and
then back to the campground and we we searched everywhere a small child could easily hide or climb into or fall into
nothing and we found absolutely nothing talk a little bit about the cremains that were dumped into the cuz the dogs
were getting a spanked unbeknownst us while we were doing our grid search someone came in and wanted
to deposit remains of a loved one at that site and I'm assuming it's a favorite site of their loved one and
without thinking they deposited these cremains not realizing they were in the middle of a crime scene and what it
would do within a couple days our dogs are telling us we need to spend more time up at the reservoir and so we dope
it for two or three more days and put side scan sonar and then we found out from one of our BLM Rangers that they
stopped this individual coming out and we're informed that they had deposited some remains in the reservoir hid he D
or been in the reservoir his body would have been recovered by now we believe so
yeah we really believe some this store did the family go down to the store there and let or and was there any
surveillance captured of this boy surveillance video I don't believe they have a surveillance but we have a
receipt that we've documented that they've purchased certain certain items they were on the receipt the time was
stamped on the receipt and so we believe you know that's where they went it was that Friday morning yes it was okay do
you know did they stop any other places on their way up to let or I stopped to get some diesel fuel yeah any
surveillance video at that gas station okay I'd be surprised if there's a camera anywheres in let oh yeah okay so
as far as the the private investigator told us a few days ago that that Jessica said that there was an older gentleman
that have been staring at Dior have you heard anything about that just the report I
don't know that we confirmed who that individual is but you know if we had to go look for everybody that stared it at
you personally or anybody for any type of crime you know it'd be a pretty difficult undertaking you know to check
those stories out but you know yes we have heard that information how much of the area up there was searched it was I
mean you guys searched for two three weeks didn't you before you officially scale back absolutely almost almost a
three mile no sign absolutely none do you believe it was an abduction you know personally
I think an abduction is one of the least likely events primarily the information
we have is grandpa's watching the child he tells me he looks away momentarily when he looks back he's gone and he's
assumed he's gone over the bank right where grandpa's sitting he's within 20 to 30 yards of the only roadway into the
campground and absolutely no one was seen at that lower campground coming or going
and when my personnel went in nobody was seen leaving so I think it's it you know
I mean I can't completely rule it out but it's one of the least likely things that occurred what can you say about mr.
Bray lon at this point he's still cooperating you know I'm not getting any feeling that
he's not being truthful I think he's been very truthful and I appreciate his help he's come up to the area on a
second occasion with me and until we find a piece of evidence or locating anything that tells me otherwise I think
he's being very truthful about the parents and the grandfather you know I take all three or those three have been
very cooperative they've given us everything we've asked for and so I feel real good about the
parents and the grandfather also FBI as they would it be correct to say they've taken over I guess they're working with
you they're working with us we've given them lots of items to to analyze behaviorally and we've given them some
physical evidence I can't go into those details but we're basically trying to cover all of our bases and we're looking
for any clue whatsoever that might help us resolve this and you said bottle bills also assisted to Balak very much
so it's very much so can you say anything about how Isaac ended up on the trip and I hate to go into too many
details I mean obviously there's a relationship between him and and grandpa you know you know I mean they're friends
but prior to that trip he had never met mom and dad the family says their vehicles and cars were searched which
which it sounds like in in any case it that would be standard procedure you know even though we
searched him that night you know he always second-guessed it did we miss something could've been in another
compartment did we not search everything so yeah everything's been searched at least a couple times if not more you
guys as a department been handling this it's a lot of manpower and hours and I'm
sure a little bit of frustration trying to find this kid well it's definitely been a challenge we've got some fabulous
volunteers our search and rescue is second to none and they've been overwhelmed by this we've had some
issues on on stress that we've had to deal with and our office is my chief deputy has spent endless hours up there
he's climbed literally up to the top of some of the peaks up there he's walked into some of the old dens of some of the
animals that live in those areas and he's been frantically searching for a clue and and it's been overwhelming I
mean there's been days I've been the only patrolman on the road because all my personnel are up there working at the
scene I guess he's anything big nothing I mean absolutely nothing has been ruled
out we had bears and wolves running literally through camp searching while we were searching absolutely there's
wolf Den's nearby well some old ones we haven't found any any fresh dens but just over the top of the divide there is
a possum Ryan we've understood they've had some issues over there with some wolves and they've taken out some of the
some of the wolves in order to eliminate the problem so where do you guys go from
here well we wait until we get our report from the FBI that's going to be critical
we're still asking the public to help us if they have any information to identify
a two-and-a-half year old with blonde hair I'm not sure that's a positive thing for our office because every
two-and-a-half year old little blonde hair looks just like Dior and so I'm asking the public if they know the
family and they didn't have a two and a half year old prior to this time period that's that's when I want to look at
closely but if if it's somebody they don't know to contact their local law enforcement and have them follow up for
us because it's just so overwhelming for our small office yeah have you guys just
been bombarded with absolutely absolutely what are your thoughts about the private investigator I guess that's
just something the families doing on their own yeah yep totally Yohan kudos to them for you know looking for more
help I can only do so much and maybe he can turn up something that we've missed but I think you know he primarily
merrily thinks it's an abduction and and I think that's very remote and as far as
the lie detector test you said you couldn't say what you don't yeah you know I they've all all four have taken
voluntarily taken polygraphs and right now that those have been turned over to the FBI along with the statements and I
would prefer to have them look at the reports and look at the evaluations on the polygraph to make sure we're looking
at everything correctly and that we didn't miss anything at this point would you feel comfortable saying something
criminal happened no not at all that interview was taken from August of 2015 so now at the timeline of this interview
we're talking about it about a month after Dior went missing yeah and there are three really big takeaways that I
have from that ten-minute interview right - from the sheriff and one from the interviewer and I'll just kind of
throw these out there and we'll talk about him as we go the two from the sheriff for this one he says look
we talked about the possibilities yesterday animal attack abduction or some type of involvement resulting in
the accidental or intentional death of Dior by either a family member or a friend and I think the way that their
wording that is to suggest the family member or friend there were three family members up there with the boy and one
friend of the family up there with the boy right so can't rule anything out but that what really hits the home run
there in that interview is that statement toward the end of the interview where the sheriff says if
anyone knows the family he says I can't I'm not gonna tell you to look for a two
year old blonde boy because almost all of them look like Dior right I want to talk to a family member or anyone that
knows the family that can say that they did not have this boy or a young boy with them prior to going on this camping
trip that's what I want to talk to and then the one thing that stands out for me from zero right so but to unpack that
it's just to be clear you're saying that the sheriff is saying hey look I want proof that that boy was there right okay
right and then the one thing that that stands out for me from the interviewer is there are multiple questions in
multiple times where the interviewer tries to steer the questions and steer the sheriff in the direction of issac
Ren Wald the the front the friend that is up there and I think that is for a number of reasons one at the time being
about a month or less than a month after the disappearance mm-hmm the first thing
that really people started calling into question when the news of this story broke especially online was a lot of
people were very suspicious of this guy Isaac right and I think won rightfully so because immediately what you see is
which one of these things is not like the other well Isaac is the one thing that is not like the other he's the
friend everybody else is a family member of this little boy yeah and he's old and
he's a little let's put it that way and he's also it seems to me a little bit on the slow
side so you know what's weird about him in well not necessarily about him more so about this whole story and cast of
characters to me is going into this if when I first got involved and you and I both been aware of this case for for a
long time and it's been a while that we've wanted to cover it yeah I've never been able to dive into it as much as I
have this week yeah and I'm going to agree with you and thousands and thousands of other people out there that
say this Isaac guy there's something off with him he's weird he's odd and and you
also have Jessica and vernal who both say this guy's a little odd we didn't know him he's a little weird though the
grandfather says that you know but the the funny thing to me is after spending a long time reviewing this case and
reviewing these for adults because that's where my suspicion lies within this pack of for adults okay
I find all four of them to be odd so so if if we're gonna say that Isaac is odd or weird or comes off weird right I
really think all four of them are strange birds doesn't he seem like he's operating with a lower IQ to you yes
diminished intelligence or something like that a little slower yes I I think so in it's pretty I thought you know
those are things that you hate to say and hate to throw out there but I think that's what most people's conclusion
would be watching an interview with him or speaking with him in person right and
but also the cops at this point and later they say this guy is Crawford he's cooperating with us
and we believe he's telling the truth and what's interesting too in that interview is we have the sheriff saying
basically that all four of these people all four of these adults are cooperating
all four of them are answering our question the grandfather the father the mother
they have given us everything we've asked for right we do have a little more from regarding Isaac where we have the
sheriff saying he even came up to the site with me on a second a second time to go over everything well there's a lot
of speculation about Isaac online so when this story broke there was a couple things that happen immediately one was
the parents were at the forefront they were very upfront and center they were they had the spotlight on them
everybody knew their names everybody knew that it was their son who was missing that was just part of the news
breaking what did not occur immediately was the release of the grandfather's name or the release of Isaac's name the
friend of the family and so I think in a way that could have started some type of suspicion about
them or or or Isaac right but the the interesting thing here too is when his name was released
Isaac is repeatedly identified as a sex offender with an extensive criminal history in online forms and on social
media for a while really and that's very troubling because again which one of these things is not like the other
Isaac is just a friend of old grandpa's yep and he's not he's not a parent of this little boy and oh he's a little odd
and now online people were identifying him as a sex offender with an extensive criminal history and online forms and on
social media one flicky flicky so the police did address this situation the sheriff did address this situation and
their answer is very confusing to me but I have to throw it out there because they it may help clear some things up
okay so the Idaho State there their response to this was to say that Isaac was at one time charged with felony rape
and this occurred in 2006 but the charge was amended down to misdemeanor mystic battery the sheriff went on to
say that he meaning Isaac does have a criminal record however the police reports are not consistent with his
record and I'm not sure why that was his exact the state his exact statement he does go on to say that Isaac does that
mean well he does go on to say that Isaac is not a sex offender Isaac is not a registered sex offender and I'm with
you he does have a criminal record this is a statement he does have a criminal record however the police reports are
not consistent with his record I'm not sure what that means I'm not sure why I did a little digging and the best I
could come up with here is rumor but from what I found as far as rumor goes is that this charge that he was
originally charged with is in some relation to his ex-wife mm-hmm and they may have been married at the time and it
was reduced to a domestic issue what I'm getting at is where he says the police reports are not consistent with his
record I'm wondering if the sheriff this is just all inferences here so take it with a grain of salt I'm wondering if by
this time and I'm feeling very confident that by this time the sheriff had personally reviewed the police reports
from those charges and he's reviewing it and going the charge doesn't really line
up with the complaint right and so I see why it was then amended to a much lesser
charge because either Isaac then pled guilty to something or they were able to prove the lesser charge because like I
said maybe the sheriff reviewing the report says this complaint doesn't match up with what he ends up getting charged
with let's hear a clip of an interview with Isaac so the garage listeners can get a feel for this individual
as a guru yeah so and did you look back at did you actually see them all with you as a group at at some point at some
point before we knew we were always a group before we as we started to leave the camp remember all of us being
together right Bob wasn't Bob was at the kicking let's stay at the camp okay but to the
very first spot when you were showing them do you remember did was just a holding
deal was with senior D or holding viewer because if he was having trouble walking
he probably would have had to been carried at some point right right so you ever ever anyone was holding him if he
was he was down there just like children okay I can't answer that I don't remember everything far as I know I
thought baby Dior was still behind us and I was showing Jessica like when I went to go show them the foot official
like I went down that show Jessica where the fishing alone is and I assumed that
you know Dior and his dad weren't right behind me okay Frankie or just just be -
danger was taking them a little bit to catch up and at what point did you and Dee or senior and Jessica split up they
went somewhere else in you and somewhere these Saturday right you came down the creek closer to the campground and left
them up there yeah and so I don't know it was like 5-10 minute I showed him what I think must have been 5-10 minutes
okay after I did then I started to walk I walked towards camp and I went to another fish bowl of fish knows I'm
there fishing for a while that's when I know the fall was up their own the original walking pace him back
the four so I asked him what was going on and he said throw of yours missing and I was like what
so distance there on the he said that bob was like pacing on the ridge what do you mean the ridge was really high banks
I'm not the very bottom of the bottom of the bank so it's hard to even see up over the bank that the how steep the
banks are so you notice he said you notice Bob pacing behind it what did he look like
he was he stressed he look like she was kind of stressed or worried about something so and so that's what made you
think to ask him what was right then he said that little Dior's miss him so in your reaction was where you know I'm
trying to help him look help look for him so then what did you walk up to the bank and start it and I talked to Bob a
little bit more about work where they might where he might be in we started looking in the campers and everything
first we looked in the camper we looked all around the area when I come to meet the vehicles we went up in the hills I
went up the hill up there about to where the reservoirs I went up there and looked around
I musta worn out by myself for fluffy about a half an hour an hour looking trying to find a your I couldn't find
him so was Jessica and he or no Jessica's boyfriend her fiance at the time were they at the campsite waiting
Bob told you dealer was missing when when he was pacing on the bank and he walked up where they had the campsite
before night when I went down there to talk to and I went up there to talk to Bob know they were already out looking
for him do you see him they were right they were out so you and Bob searched the immediate area I mean five searches
in media immediate area right there for a little bit his mom came hmm I don't know she was out in the sagebrush look
and then she came back to town I talked to her a little bit and I said what's going on here like he's missing did she
seem upset yes she seemed pretty upset I couldn't really look at you in the face
or anything she hadn't been able to do that for what I don't know for what reason do you so did you ever have the
impression before law enforcement or search-and-rescue out there did you ever have a thought that maybe he was someone
tape took him did you ever think that or was that something that came about when
he just gonna be found I thought maybe he got lost or somewhere and sat down okay that's what my impression of
or you know he or the just because you know I'd say you know where he went that he was he in the truck or it is he was
he on foot he was on foot for a while and then yet he was also in the tree got in the truck tuned to go down by the
cattle guard to go look him down there - okay but you you stay busy you ratchet busy looking dawn off the up the hills
all over yeah was dior senior did he get it was he angry did he get aggressive with Bob did he say like you know you he
was here last like was there frustration I think there was a little bit but he didn't seem to get too angry at Bob so
so dr did he ever appear frustrated or anything that you're the heat tell Bob at the time of you I left him here with
you did he ever say anything like that did vernal D or Jessica's boyfriend and her fiance he left the campground did he
leave the campground in his truck to go call 9-1-1 do you know far as I know he left the camp out any strokes go look
for little be oral by the the cattle guard other than that I don't know if they left did no comment or if they
called it from there was one of their cellphones I don't okay was Bob continuing to look to could
he get up and down the hills very easy he had kind of a hard time because you have the oxen machine a to so okay so
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all right it's so little to do so much time wait reverse that first that cheers cheers man we got a lot to get to here
and like you said not like you said just a little bit of time to do it I do want
to Noel quotes from Willy Wonka oh yeah yeah that's here with it he says a couple things backwards and says to
reverse it so I do want to point out here that at some point the leme High County Sheriff's Department they
announced that all four of the adults that were up on that campsite with little baby Dior at some point they
announced that all four of them are considered to be persons of interest so Isaac who you just heard there the
grandfather as well as both the parents and you heard in that clip to the reporter kept referring to Dior's father
as D or several times in there and that's why I wanted to point out early in this case that sometimes you might
hear him referred to as that we've been calling him vernal to keep it nice and tidy so we'll continue to do so right
now do we want to get into the whole shovel thing yeah let's go ahead and get into the shovel thing because you know
that's the last question that was asked yeah so apparently this is according to Jessica that there was a shovel that she
said had like some mud on it like it was recently used right and this is this shovel incident takes place once law
enforcement are on the scene once they are searching for Dior and she she says that she tells though tells law
enforcement about this shovel points it out to him says it look the shovel looks
like it was recently used now also at this time she's already telling law enforcement that Isaac is a bit odd and
that they don't really know anything about this guy so somehow they connect this shovel to him or they want to talk
to him about the shovel she says that they take Isaac away from the group they talked to him for for a while
and they are going to look and examine look at and examine the shovel she says something about a hair being on blonde
hair but blonde hair and she says this could have been one of the yours hairs she points it out to the law enforcement
and then reaches to grab it and it blows away in the wind yep that's gone gone forever and so I guess once they're done
talking to Isaac he comes back to the group and knows that they were talking about the shovel and jessica says Isaac
then begins rubbing the shovel or touching the show shovel something to that effect which she found to be
incredibly weird on August 12th 2015 private investigator Frank vilt joins the search the way that this is
explained how this comes about is that Frank vilt is a friend of the family somehow and he
offers his expertise into helping the family this relationship does not seem to go very well at all no and it seems
to unravel and fall apart fairly quickly I love private investigators all of them
seem to have a little bit of a cocky swagger yeah like they're gonna come in and they they know what's best
well mr. veldt is a retired US Marshal so he has a good amount of experience and he's offering his help and as we
said this seems to fall apart very quickly at some point he withdraws himself from assisting the parents of
Dior yeah and he even issues them a statement regarding such them and within that statement here are some interesting
words that he uses quote my stipulation was that both of you would be absolutely
truthful this is him talking to the parents of the or in my professional opinion both of you lied and
misrepresented the true facts that could possibly solve the mystery of your missing son
what we have here is the investigator is stating these individuals he does not think that they have been truthful with
him right and thus hindering his investigation he's starting to be suspicious that they know more why would
they not want to be truthful with this man that's trying to help them out yeah if you're hearing inconsistencies and
stories you're gonna go hey what's why are you lying there's also some other angles here and one of them being the
reward money now this has reported many different ways so I'll just kind of give
you the whole of it and you can decide exactly what was going on it was reported that at one point they were
offering five thousand maybe even ten thousand dollars for information regarding the missing boy and I believe
this would have been coming from like Crimestoppers or something in the general area the community coming
together and trying to help this family at some point private investigator Frank
vilt says you know what we need to increase this amount yeah this might not be enough money to to draw somebody out
that could really know something so I knowing that you don't have even the funds to pay me to help you and that you
don't have the means to build this reward yourself I will offer up some of my own money I'm already giving you my
time yeah so I'll offer up some of my own money let's increase this reward to $20,000 and make this a national case
and make it you know let's get some substantial reward money here to try to draw out some possible information some
leads on to where your son could be his statement says that they were not on board with that that the parents of Dior
were not on board with increasing the reward amount right which on one hand makes it look pretty fishy but on the
other hand they might not be wanting to you know they're already asking this guy
of his time and his effort and his energy and maybe they think this is a simpler case and it should be solved
quickly and we should find answers quickly and we want you to put up your own money we've
already asked enough of you I think you go to the ends of the earth to find your
child right but it goes back to you know the mother is crying too much the mother
is not crying enough I mean it's hard to put yourself in their shoes and to know
how you would react me or you I would think we both go yes offer more money you know you're you're willing to do
that for me what a great person I like the cut of your jib for me this is one of the most suspicious behaviors of any
of them of any of the behaviors throughout this entire case I think that it would be bizarre to not allow this
man to offer further help and assistance to try to probably to find your son we haven't we have the father we heard his
own words we will find you we will find you we will not stop looking yeah so to me this is this is a very suspicious
behavior by the parents now we do need to keep in mind we are not privy to conversations that occurred on the phone
or within closed doors meetings between this investigator and the family right so we we keep that in mind but again I
find this to be very strange and I haven't heard their rebuttal if they have one on this situation so should we
get into Frank Volt's theory as to what he thinks may have happened here yeah because we got so many things to kind of
go through and the order is the proper order to do them is not very clear to me at this moment
so let's just wrap up Frank veldt mm-hmm so he gives this very pup he gives a letter to the family explaining why he's
no longer going to be working their case at some point he says you know I have a
theory and I've pored through some of their information I don't have any evidence to back this theory up I just
have suspicions and what he says is he believes that one the mother Jessica knows exactly where her son is
or knows what happened to Dior and two key sites that she at one time has given away custody of her two other children
that she has yeah it did there was an old marriage that no longer existed and at some point she gave over full custody
basically an adoption process to her ex-husband yeah they make it seem like it's an option process quote unquote but
she still had visitation she still saw her kids so that's very unclear yeah that that is her rebuttal I am still
involved with them I still see those yeah yeah it was simply look the the dad was involved and he had quite a bit of
money and he could provide a better life for them and she wasn't working so that's her rebuttal yes and then we do
have in January of 2016 remember we mentioned that the Sheriff's Department at one point named all four
adults as persons of interest in this case publicly well in 2016 they now elevate the parents to the status of
suspect yeah but they're also gonna get another private investigator involved yeah and this occurs before they're
named suspects okay so November 23rd of 2015 KIC Texas this is a private investigative firm they join the case
and on January 9th there is a fundraiser held to pay for kic Texas but just seven days later
KIC Texas says Dior is no longer alive then we have January 25th where the parents are named by law enforcement as
suspects and the following day vernal Koons hires an attorney on May 2nd Philip Kline he's one of the investigators with
kic Texas says Jessica Mitchell knows where the Todd body is and the next day the Coons
family fires kic Texas they are told that the Coons family will sue KIC Texas well this is a lot to unpack because you
have this team searching for answers and they're now saying that the mother knows
where the Sun is and that the Sun is dead mm-hmm and where's their evidence for this so they're brought into this case
cold we should say that they're brought in with no assumptions and they're going
to go in there if with phase one of their investigation is to interview all four of those adults that were up at the
campsite and it's through the course of these interviews now mind you I don't think that they ever spoke with Isaac
directly they spoke with the grandfather and the two parents and what their findings were is that they were being
told different stories that we have the parents telling with the record states from kic Texas that they were told five
different stories by both parents who were interviewed separately and they questioned some of the statements that
they received regarding the grandfather now what they do state regarding Isaac is that they again I don't think they
spoke with him directly their statement is that he spoke with law enforcement on
four different occasions and gave the same story every time well I have a couple problems with this Phillip Cline
and I don't know if you've seen some of the statements that he's given about this wani
claims we came in cold we knew nothing and then the next statement is we came up with three theories there are three
theories were the same as the sheriff's theories yes they after speaking with the Sheriff's Department
those were the theories that they were going to investigate right which if you're going in cold you don't ask for
theories you also don't just ponder ok here's the situation now let's sit around and think about
theories because that what you're doing is you're creating a theory and now you have to follow that down the rabbit hole
until you get to the end right if you're coming in cold you come up with no theory
you let evidence direct you to theories and then you go down those rabbit holes and yes they interviewed these people
three out of the four where's your due diligence there and then on the other hand yes there's parts of their stories
that don't light up they don't go through and tell you which ones don't line up and if you watch some of these
interviews some of the things that don't line up as the parents say well we told
grandpa to watch our son we went walking up there then they asked grandpa were you told to watch the Sun I guess so
that's what they told me I can't really remember so is that one of the things that is not lining up because if if that
if there's ten of those that don't line up is it miscommunication or is it a lie
well so just to clarify and this is according to kic taxes to their official statement is that they came into the
case cold in November of 2015 okay they said that they did not review read or correspond with any agency or media
group until after phase one was established in the investigation this phase included but was not limited
to interviews with family friends relatives witnesses and sight location information post completion of phase one
it was after these interviews that it was determined that they needed to follow up and examine the three theories
that we discussed so it is their official statement that they did come in cold that they it wasn't until
interviews and all that was conducted that they arrived at the same three theater
that the Sheriff's Department did that needed to be investigated at the time right but again if you look at the
statements that they have released they make tons of gigantic claims like we know that the Sun is dead
we know the mother knows where the Sun is just she won't tell us these are huge claims that you're not backing up with
any evidence so you're just putting this out to the public you're just putting this out to the media and you're not
giving us the reason why look if you want to make a statement like that I have I have no problem and if they're
pieces of [ __ ] they're pieces of [ __ ] and let's figure out what happened to this kid what I have a problem with is
you making statements and then and not coming up with not releasing any evidence to to back up your your
statements and these are damning statements that's why they're being sued and then they also do stuff like well we
raised $29,000 for their they weren't going to be charged hourly rates it was just going you know they're gonna raise
this money just through fundraisers through fundraisers and they make a big deal about how wealth out of the $29,000
raise 20,000 we used we don't really know where the other 9,000 is right okay well you have two parents that are not
working that are spending their time searching and you have you know all that stuff going on and there's a lot of
times in these cases where some of that money goes to the family but again it's one of those things we're gonna throw
some shade we used 20-some thousand dollars there's nine thousand missing oh that makes
these parents guilty well I see what you're saying but I don't think that that look I don't want to get into
trying to determine what the intentions are of kic Texas right if this were me and this it
situation I would do exactly as they did with that statement that you just said because okay keep this in mind they
agreed to take on the case this was based off of through fundraisers that was with the general public so me I
would feel that I owe an explanation to the general public that came together to
raise all this money to hire me and now I'm accusing the parents so I write my my problem with that though is if you're
a private investigator if you're a team of in private investigators and you know
that sometimes the money is used for things like that to pay rent and because life goes on your kids missing in a life
it's going on you would know this so doesn't matter that's not my obligation and here what I'm right what I'm saying
is people need to be more concerned with the truth and what they're trying to do
and this is all the truth they don't know the statements they're making is Wiese we can throw shade and then we
don't have to back that up with [ __ ] other than don't get me I'm not talking about any other statement other than
just the money right now no I just look look the money I get but what I'm saying
is if you're a private investigator if you raise money before and the money goes toward you towards your expenses
but it also sometimes goes to paying the the the parents rent that that month you
know that that's a possibility so don't just put it out there with we spent 20-some thousand and we don't know where
this other money is so look down upon the the parents and that's what I'm saying that's irresponsible they could
have made a mistake it's irresponsible at all I understand that you feel the need to tell the public where the money
went yeah that's that's if I were in this situation that would be my only obligation is that I need to tell you
where the money that you people put together your hard-earned money that you put together for this investigation I'm
going to tell you exactly where it went and my statement is twenty nine thousand
two hundred and one dollars was raised for the investigation of which twenty thousand was used for investigators and
equip travel and hotels only investigators hourly cost and all other cost have been
donated to the Klein foundation that is funded by kic Texas and the stockholders
of kic right this is where they're saying we have no idea what happened to the nine thousand two hundred and one
dollars these these other monies given this is where the Coons family can come forward and say we had to pay our rent
right we've out of there the ones that had debts their obligation to the public okay I have I agree there as a as a
businessman and as myself I only took a percentage of the money raised I only need to answer for that okay and I don't
think that there but what what they did in the statements that they released if you read the statement that they
released that I am reading the steam at the daily it's constantly less throw a little shade give you no evidence to
back up our statement and then move on to the next one throw more shade don't back it up with any evidence and maybe
they don't have to release that to the public but I think when you're when you're sitting there making these bold
statements why do you think that why do you think that the kid is dead why do you think that the mother knows where
the kid is at you know well what led you to that just Lies or inconsistencies and
that that's my problem with the statement I agree with that I do I don't think that all of this was handled in
the best most professional manner but also keep in mind if they do have any evidence that led them to those
conclusions the public is not the right place for that to end up the the proper place for that is to turn that evidence
over to law enforcement now right but you could also make the statement of simply like the the last private
investigator we think that they're being they're not being cooperative or they're
not telling us the truth and we're backing away from this and we're given all the information that we've collected
to the authorities but to me this statement was we're going to throw as much again
these parents as we can and to publicly shame them well here's one part that is left out of some of those documentaries
in some internet coverage of this case and this is from kic Texas when they are talking about all the searches that they
conducted through their course of their investigation okay this is actually listed as their secondary search and
this is very interesting information one they say that investigators search by permission in the 900 block of ADA Idaho
Falls Idaho which is the former residents of vernal Coons in Jessica Mitchell yeah both have been evicted for
not paying rent and left in the apartment furniture and clothing and such the landlord had cleaned out the
apartment moved all the articles to a near dumpster to near the dumpster for removal as the property had been
declared abandoned by the landlord right investigators were given permission to search the abandoned waste by the
landlord during the search we will report investigators found the following one four Matchbox cars described
previously by the parents as missing and they did not know where they were to a camo child's jacket similar to being
described by both parents as being worn on the day of the event and suggested to
be missing with the child 3 a credit card used by family by a family friend with seemingly purchases of items
unknown to investigators in testimony for an insurance tracking device box and instruction package all evidence was
turned over to the leme High County Sheriff's Office for further testing with the US DOJ and FBI all right
there's some things so back the camo jacket a little strange could have multiple jackets right the Matchbox cars
but you know I should care less about I don't think there's much there these I think the the the reason why they call
these question is because they are saying that these cars were described previously by
the parents is missing right they didn't know where they were what's with this credit card so I don't
know what's up with this credit card because here they look with that they need to be vague right they can't tell
us what the purchases were and when they took place but what they are saying is this card was used by a family friend
with purchases of items unknown to investigators throughout the course of testimony given by likely the parents
right and what what the hell is an insurance tracking device box I don't know some kind of tracking device with
instructions yeah that's I don't know that's that's very strange maybe maybe somebody could add that to
the blog and let us know what what the hell that is but yeah I think the key the the big thing there the big thing
that you call in a question there is the camo jacket the one that we've always heard all along that is described to be
similar or the same as what the boy was wearing when he was last seen by his parents right well no look I think
that's something but again there's kids that like camo and they have multiple camera jackets and I I get that but it's
just like the money situation right is an investigator my only obligation is to tell you what I found and what I'm using
your money for I am not preventing the Coons family or the parents of ever coming forward in giving a rebuttal or
adding to that information and saying we had to use the money for rent we had no
choice yeah he had two or three camo jackets we were unaware that that was in the trash right I mean this this one's
this so tough I mean this case one this cute boy I mean if you watch any of the footage of him I mean he's just he's
kind of a goofball there's a there's a scene where he's saying mama I love you and she's saying I love you back and he
won't stop saying I love you and you'd think it's just this accident that they turned their back and he goes
missing and and they're gonna find him and it's you know it's tragedy but it's an accident or or there's an animal that
took this poor kid away but it's almost like you can live with that that's the that's an accident and those things
happen and it's trad it's a tragedy but then when you go all these we have multiple private investigators ruling
out that an animal took this kid away or that he walked off on his own we have this sheriff saying the same
thing the sheriff is saying look the likelihood of this kid being abducted out there does it make any sense we have
private investigators saying the same thing then we have eyewitnesses that can't put this kid in that area out of
the four people there they're saying that there's a there's a kid there but three of the people or family members so
are they covering up for each other and that did they take advantage of this neighborhood friend quote unquote it's a
little odd that we can he'll be one of our witnesses and the boy is never there and other than him we have nobody
outside the family saying that the boy was even there and then you have one private investigator go hey you fools
are lying to me I'm out the door next private investigator comes in hey you fools lying to me I'm out the door
and then it comes back to this idea to with the sheriff saying we exhausted every option of it being accid of it
being an accident and the parents not coming clean about it and that's where it brings you to this statement from
Jessica where she says hey look I was offered immunity I was offered immunity but I had to show him the body of my
child and can't do that well where when we talked about you know we were getting into
throwing shade and and here's the thing I want to I want us to keep in mind that
all along the way in my opinion Jessica was showing throwing shade at these unknown unnamed individuals yeah this
this dirty man with the boy at the at the store this creepy guy that was staring at my boy at the store right all
along the way throwing shade at these unnamed individuals or named in individuals look at our look at the
family friend he was odd he was weird he's he still is weird whatever yeah but that they even threw shade at the
grandfather yeah you're right she does she's like if maybe something happened with my grandfather maybe he did
something yeah so the thing I wanted everybody to keep in mind here I think this is a statement to to to throw this
out to the public so where it's going to look like oh well I must be innocent I must be innocent if I tell all of you
that I was offered immunity and that I had to produce I had to show them where the body was so why would I not be
innocent if I could just show them where the body was then I'm not getting charged with anything so that's that's
that's as much evidence as you need that I'm absolutely innocent what she fails to tell you well as I believe this is
just my belief I can't back this up because the Sheriff's Department and law enforcement agencies have not confirmed
that they've ever offered her immunity right that I could find no no they're they're silent about there's no comment
but I want you to I want I'm going to give you a direct statement from Lynn Bowerman who we heard from earlier he's
the the Lemhi County Sheriff yeah let's go through this statement of his and let's read between the lines here okay
he says first he leads in with this this is midway through a whole long conversation but he says they could not
meaning the parents they could not pass the section this is in regards to the polygraph on do you know where dr Kunz
is at this time and do you know what happened to him they could not pass those two parts on the polygraph captain
and I both agreed before the recording of this it's it's stated publicly that they didn't pass polygraph tests you and
I are just going to throw that out we're gonna toss that out completely because we understand how difficult that is to
polygraph parents of a dead child or missing child who may be actually innocent so let's just toss that in the
trash can and go on to this statement regarding I think this is indirect regards to her statement about immunity
well I'm back to real quick on that it's one because if a parent feels guilty about their child dying or going missing
they will fail that portion and also if they are too emotional they will fail portions of the test
that's why in most cases I like lie detectors and these cases I do not so his statement in January 2016 says we've
given them meaning both parents yeah too many opportunities to tell us what happened if it was an accident
there's been no interest in going that direction so that tells me there's only one other possibility it has to be a
homicide I disagree with the end of that statement that it has to be a homicide right I think that that's a very likely
possibility but when I apply this statement to jessica statement about me being offered immunity and I have to
show them the body the discussion that you and I had earlier is there's a couple problems with that that doesn't
mean that she's innocent because one if I'm Jessica and I show you where the body is if there in fact is one what if
the evidence on that body does not suggest or backup my statement of what accident occurred with that boy
right what if they go well we found this or that now we know this is a homicide this was not an accident right now she's
in trouble because I would bet you that that immunity if in fact she was offered
that was stipulated by it being an accident that she be completely truthful and lead them to the body right because
why would they give them immunity if they think they're guilty of killing here's the other round let's go back to
the first private investigator he had some thoughts and theories that maybe the child was given away yeah well
therein lies another problem if you offer me immunity and I have to lead you to the body there is no body
the boys alive right and elsewhere and there's a lot of speculation that the boy's father is not his real father and
and and since there's speculation of that and the last private investigator brings this point up as well but it's
like let's just do the DNA test let's do a DNA test to clear this up and so we can move on with the investigation
mm-hmm I do want to point out one other thing that they thought brought Jessica into
suspicion was the lack of photos apparently she was very diligent about always taking photos of little Dior and
posting them online and on social media and they note that on the camping trip now be it it's a short trip from the
time they show up to to the time that he goes missing it's what 24 hours less than 24 hours they do know hey what you
didn't take any pictures of your boy during this time you didn't post any pictures so that that's one thing of
interest continuing on with more statements from kic Texas they state that they don't have any evidence other
than the testimony of the four adults at the campsite that indicates the Dior Coons the minor child was on the
mountain and they say we believe that the parents through family members and through friends in social media have
begun a misinformation operation on behalf of the parents to mislead the media mislead law
enforcement and mislead investigators with kic Texas as well as the general public stating we now have do to the
testimony of all witnesses including store employees clerks beer distribution drives fuel handlers and credible
witnesses that have given credible testimony that we cannot find any person that saw the child go up to the mountain
either the day of the event or the evening before we therefore are now moving our timeline of the event back to
5:00 p.m. of the day before the 911 call was made all right so now that we've heard from pretty much everybody but
what's your thoughts on this here's the weird thing for me is that I don't necessarily agree with either the
Sheriff's Department or kic Texas where both persons have decided to both agencies have decided to backup their
timeline and look for people to talk to the day before before they even went to the campsite right and my reasoning
behind this is a couple of things we yes we only have the four adults saying that
Dior was ever even there but the problem with that is if in fact he never was there then all four of these people have
to be involved in some form or fashion right I don't see a situation where all four of them are involved especially
when we see that they all kind of start turning on one another a little bit right by all private investigators and
the law enforcement believe the the family friend right and that's the thing you can't believe the family friend and
then say he was never there that day that's that's where your problem is because if you believe Isaac's
statements and Isaac has said every time Dior was there he was at the campsite so
where I'm going with this is is a couple things okay so I think that Dior did go
up to the campsite with them where everything starts to fall apart is the next morning when they wake up the next
morning right that's when the stories start getting wonky between the grandfather the the father and the
mother right then we have Isaac who he can't recall certain things and he seems a little confused about some things he's
guessing sometimes yeah but everybody stating he's given the same story for different times and they believe him to
be truthful so we have the parents who at some point say you know what it could have been this Isaac guy that did
something to my child we have the mother who said it could have been my grandfather that did something to this
child right the grandfather starts to say you know what I'm starting to not think I know what happened up there I
think the problem for the grandfather and or Isaac to be responsible for what happened to Dior is that the timeline is
too small the window of time of opportunity to do something to this boy is too small right the body of ones
don't even physically fit the one that's carrying around oxygen right he's carrying around oxygen I don't know what
would lead me to believe here's the problem if the grandfather did something wrong then you have to believe the
parents story right right if Isaac did something wrong you have to believe the parents story and both their stories say
we left we went into town we came back we're there a short period of time and then in a window of 10 to 15 minutes our
boy goes missing well that only gives the grandfather and/or Isaac 10 to 15 minutes to kill and in and get rid of
the body it just it doesn't work out because you have to believe somebody's story along the way somebody is telling
the truth and I think the person telling the truth is Isaac and regarding the grandfather I believe that he's just a
little confused I think he's a little old right because of his age and because he falls asleep often he might not
really know what happened I personally think and I have no idea what actually happened to Dior but where I have a big
problem is two of the camping trip as soon as they wake up that morning the stories start
to fall apart Dior's parents cannot tell you exactly what time they left they give different reasons for why they left
to begin with and at some point their stories do start to meet in the middle but that might be because they're going
well wait a second you said you went into town for female products right he's saying you went into town for gas
yeah the you could have went in town for both and they also claimed they stopped
at four or five places we have nobody along the way that says that they saw the child with either parent or both
parents and the problem here is we have the mother saying oh we interacted with this person and they can confirm that
they saw the or nope they couldn't oh and then the father said I don't even know if they could
confirm that they saw her the father says we were the boy stayed out in the in the you know near the truck with me
and we spoke to this person and they can confirm that me and Dior were there right that person says nope I never saw
the boy so what is it they can't tell you what they had for breakfast who cooked breakfast they can't tell you if
the boy went into the stores if he stayed out with his dad what they went into town for my thought is that
something happened to this boy either after they went to bed the first night of camping or they got rid of him
somewhere when they went into town and I think when they got back we had a short
period of time and we had two guys two other guys that could be easily tricked I think that there's a good chance that
Dior was never there once they returned to the campsite and I think we have Isaac and Bob who both can't fully
recall the exact minutes and movements of what was going on all right and I think that whatever happened it happened
and they they got rid of him elsewhere now he could be alive they could have handed him off to somebody else right
and just came back and said you know what we're gonna wanna say that we lost the boy and now we got these other two
guys they can't really confirm what was going on that day that just that's where I'm kind of left and I
know it's not any brilliant thoughts or any brilliant evidence added to any of those thoughts but it's just when you
really start looking at everybody's stories you have to believe somebody if not if that boy never went up on that
mountain then all for these people are involved in some form and fashion and I also want
to add some things regarding Isaac year one year after the disappearance of this
little boy he is asked in an interview do you think that the parents did something to him he says no I don't
think that I don't know them very well but I don't think that they would do anything like that and that struck me is
so interesting where you have all these people turning on one another they even turned on Isaac yeah and guess what I
think that the investigators really thought Isaac could be their guy very early on right they're talking to him
they interview him four times I he has the most reason to be truthful and say Dior was never there because he was
looked at by the family or talked about by the family as a possible suspect right so why what does he have to gain
from saying the boy was there that day the only thing he has the gain from saying the boy was there that day is
suspicion upon himself yeah I think investigators wanting to roll back the time period all the way to five o'clock
I don't know if that is is right but but again it's possible because thinking about this way you have a short period
of time that you're going to go to the campground or you have to set up people are setting up tents we're gonna sleep
over here in the Blazer and and you're gonna be in there and and you could you could probably pretend a little bit that
you have Oh we're gonna put him down for a nap he's already sleeping right and the family friend he's a little off so
he might let his imagination run wild a little bingo yeah well yeah the it was there I saw him in the backseat
you know who knows what he saw right I don't know if we should go all the way back but we don't know what happened
once everybody fell asleep did the parents leave but I'm also with you on the idea that why did he go into town
this doesn't make much sense and also like most women know their cycles so most women would know hey I might be on
my period soon maybe I should be prepared right so I think between that and then the other excuse of what we had
to get gas well you gotta get gas for you you knew that you were gonna go into this this place to to camp out for the
night normally if you're running on a gas go well let me stop here in town and then we'll go out there so I I kind of
feel the same thing too maybe what happened that night or what happened in this time period and it's it's very odd
to me that you have two people they can't recall even how long they were gone for like the you know the
grandfather and the family friend they can't recall so who knows how long it was and it's like was it two hours was
it three hours was four hours we don't know and but I think they would be able to track their phones though and that's
what makes me believe that maybe they can't prove that they went further out than they claim that they did and maybe
that's why they're put in their time period back to the day before they left but this is a difficult one and it's
very sad and and it's like I guess there's a part of you that wants to believe the parents aren't horrible
pieces of [ __ ] but what then consistencies nothing ever lining and it's it's one thing if one private
investigator doesn't like you but - and then law enforcement turns on you and it
seems like everybody keeps turning on them and those people just don't turn on the parents of a missing child for no
reason yeah unless that boy was abducted in in a very tiny short window of time with
four adults up there who saw nothing with one way in one way out nothing else makes sense to me the parents are the
only two that had an opportunity to get rid of the boy or the body right but I can't get over that statement of the
search dogs with the scent did not pick up a scent of that boy I can't get over that again though that leads you to if
you believe he was never there then all four of these individuals are in on this
and the the opportune time to get rid of this boy is when they go back into town
and it doesn't necessarily mean that they dumped a body they could have hid a body or they could handed the boy off to
somebody at some point right the other thing that I call into question here is you are taking care of your grandfather
he requires a caregiver he is on oxygen 24/7 I'm not leaving my two year old boy
who's described as a real go-getter who moves quick with my elderly oxygen needing grandfather alone that makes no
sense just doesn't line up yeah so I regardless of why they claim that they went into town maybe he needed fuel
because they were running something off of the car when it was turned on maybe she did need these products that I don't
so much call into question I call in a question a lot of the behaviors and the the statements that just don't line up
before we wrap up captain we should very much include that yes the Coons family did carry through and follow through
with their lawsuit KIC Texas yeah and just this month as of May 2009 teen a court dismissed the case
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DeOrr Kunz /// Part 2 /// 306 Part 2 of 2 www.TrueCrimeGarage.com Idaho - July 10th, 2015 - Jessica Mitchell calls 911 because she cannot find her 2 year old son. The family was in the middle of a camping trip. According to Jessica the little boy disappeared from their campsite where he was staying with four adults. Join us this week in the Garage for this very strange case.Beer of the Week - The Great Return by Hardywood Park Craft Brewery Garage Grade - 4 out of 5 Bottle Caps Listen to all of True Crime Garage’s old episodes for FREE on the Stitcher AppCheck out our show Off The Record! Available only on Stitcher Premium for a FREE month of listening go to our website.

Brief Summary

The episode covers the mysterious disappearance of Dior Coons, highlighting law enforcement and private investigator insights into the case.

Key points

Search Efforts and Challenges. Sheriff details the extensive search efforts for the missing child and the challenges faced.
Suspicion Around Isaac. Discussion about the odd behavior of Isaac, a friend of the family.
Confusion Over Isaac's Criminal Record. Sheriff clarifies Isaac's criminal history and the confusion surrounding it.
Shovel Incident. A shovel with mud is discovered, raising suspicions during the investigation.
Investigator's Doubts. Private investigator Frank Vilt expresses doubts about the parents' truthfulness regarding their missing son.
Parents Named Suspects. In 2016, the parents of Dior are elevated to suspect status in the investigation.

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I think an abduction is one of the least likely events.

Sheriff discusses the possibility of abduction.

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