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[Applause] [Music] [Music] my name is Sergeant Jeremy pierce the public information officer with Indiana
State Police out the Lafayette post while investigating the murders of Abigail Williams in Liberty German
detectives with the Carol County Sheriff's Office and the Indiana State Police have uncovered an online profile
named Anthony shots this profile was being used from 2016 to 2017 on social media applications including but not
limited to Snapchat and Instagram the fictitious Anthony shot's profile used images of a known male model and
portrayed himself as being extremely wealthy and owning numerous sports cars the creator of the fictitious profile
use this information while communicating with juvenile females to solicit nude images obtain their address and attempt
to meet with them pictured on your screen you'll see images of the known male model and images of the fictitious
profile sent to the underage females we have already identified the male in these images that were used by Anthony
shots the mail in the photo is not the person of interest in the investig ation detectives are seeking information about
the person who created the Anthony shot's profile investigators would like any individual who communicated met or
attempted to meet the Anthony shot's profile to contact law enforcement by utilizing the tip email Abby and Libby
tip at cf. please provide as much information as you possibly can for example when you
communicated with Anthony shots how you communicated with the profile what social media applications the account
used and if Anthony shots attempted to meet you or obtain your address if you have saved images or conversations with
Anthony shot's profile please attach them to your email again if you have any information please contact law
enforcement by utilizing the tip email Abby and Libby tip atca Co hf.com thank you
[Music] [Applause] on February 13th 2017 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German disappeared in
Deli Indiana and this has now become an incredibly Infamous case with news spreading Across the Nation almost
immediately back in 2017 unfortunately the next day the bodies of both girls were discovered the
following day on February 15th 2017 a cell phone image was released to the public that image contained a person
that we have been referring to as BG or Bridge Guy this is because this is the suspect or the killer of the girls who
was spotted on the bridge and captured on Libby German's phone that image again was released to the public on the 15th
the week later audio was released saying down the hill we can hear the suspect saying down the hill which sounds like
he's directing the girls away from the Monon High Bridge and to where they will eventually be killed on July 17th 2017 a
sketch was released and then in April of 2019 a new sketch an additional audio was released the new sketch looked to be
similar to the first sketch that was released may have been of a different person but appeared to be younger at the
very least and the additional audio that we hear is saying guys down the hill again almost sounding like the killer
the abductor was instructing both of the girls starting in 2017 when we had the double homicide law
enforcement was asking anyone with any information at all to send tips to Abby and Libby tip at CAC
sf.com and they were requesting that you include the following information the suspect's name date of birth or
approximate age physical description including height weight hair color and eye color address or location including
City vehicle information including year make model and color of vehicle specific
reason for your tip why could they be the suspect motivation for the crime and connection to Deli Indiana and of course
they were reminding the public that individuals don't need to have all of those pieces to send a tip but they do
ask to include as many details as possible last week the Indiana State Police sent out the request for
additional information that you heard at the top of this show this time they are
asking for anyone that has any information in regards to an online name a user profile on social media accounts
going by the name of Anthony unor shots and with this case being so highly publicized this is really the first big
information since the press conference in 2019 we have a situation Captain where we have a public that is has a
strong desire to help in some way help this community try to heal bring some justice to uh the situation for both of
our victims liby and Abby and their families and so we have a public that feels like it's starved for information
give us some information let us help us to help you is kind of the old expression there right here what's
interesting with the new information that comes out December 7th of this year just last week is we are told at the
early part of that request by ISP Indiana State Police that while investigating the murders of Abigail
Williams in Liberty German detectives with the Carroll County Sheriff's department and the Indiana State Police
uncovered an online profile named Anthony unor shots this profile was being used from 2016 to 2017 on social
media applications including but not limited to Snapchat and Instagram and then later they say detectives are
seeking information about the person who created the Anthony unor shots profile investigators urge any individual who
communicated with met or attempted to meet the Anthony shots profiler to contact law enforcement by
utilizing the tip email and telephone number that is used in the deli double homicide case the Abby and Libby tip at
CAC sh r.com and then the number is 765 822 3535 that's the phone tip the really
interesting Parts here to the general public are going to be the the start of that request bookended by the end of it
right so at the bookends we have while investigating the double homicide right this is some information that we came
into they're of course going to be vague and unclear of how they came into this information or how it's it's involved in
their homicide investigation and then at the other end they're saying you know what we need more information about
Anthony shots and when you send us that information here is the vehicle here is the avenue to giving us that information
and that's going to be through the same ways that we are requesting tips in the double homicide which makes you believe
that they're connected but also your ears perk up when you here online profile not limited to Snapchat and
Instagram because the girls were on the bridge they took pictures on Snapchat that's one of the ways that their
friends and family were able to locate them this case has had many titles Abby and Libby's case the deli murders the
Snapchat murders yes and unfortunately this these double homicides took place in February of 2017 and we covered I
believe it was early early May of 2017 was the first time we discussed it here in the garage and at that time I mean
you you sit back and you look and you go okay well the information we have today
it doesn't all make sense there's a lot of blanks to fill in there's a lot of dots to be connected we don't know what
exactly is connected to the case and what is not connected to liby and Abbey's case right so you sit here and
go well this situation seems a little confusing and we don't seem to have a whole lot of information well guess what
in the DeLorean and go back to May of 2017 and see what kind of information you had and uh we had to do a show on
the case because we were both really absorbed by the thing we were really eyeballs deep in this thing for weeks
and we just said look we understand there's not a lot here not a lot to chew on but also maybe we can help shine some
light and get some information coming in and so there was a lot of speculation offered up by us and we pulled in
speculation that we were seeing on the internet in chat rooms and Reddit and everywhere else websleuths wherever we
could find different speculation and some of it you know probably more on point than others but again at the time
we didn't know much and we still don't know a whole lot so we won't know what was spot on till they get this thing
solved in the last four years this case has probably been investigated more times by armed chair detectives and web
SL than any other case and it's all over the place on podcast I mean this I was a
little surprised to see the number of people in podcast that hit this update with the quickness last week right and
so here in the garage we had our case that we were talking about last week and this was really Earth shattering stuff
to us because I mean it's just kind of stunning it stops you in your tracks and you go okay this seems to be something
new but I don't know really what to make of it and I'm a little confused and a little foggy on how it's tied in or even
if it is tied into Libby and aby's case well like you said it's the same tip line but they're not coming out and
saying that this person is a suspect in the murders of Abby and Libby it seems that that's what they're implying but
they're not coming out and directly saying that and then with the news coverage of this case being ramped up
not just by podcasts but people on YouTube creators on YouTube and the media in general and then you have local
news coming out just the next day saying well we know who Anthony shots is or at
least we know who created the account and they knew that back in 2017 well and I'm glad that you brought
up the Snapchat killer or whatever that moniker was that was floating around in 2017 because I've been watching a lot of
news Clips listening to a lot of different people reading a lot of stuff over the course of of the last I've been
hyper hyper into it for the last 72 hours right but incredible amount of stuff that you can find on the internet
and elsewhere late last week one thing that I got a little annoyed with was seeing and
reading multiple sources saying you know we when we were looking into this last year when we were talking to the locals
a couple years ago we kept hearing these rumors of there's some kind of connection to the internet or connection
to social media Snapchat referenced and we didn't feel that we should discuss that or we didn't feel that it was
appropriate or we were asked not to mention that or didn't know if it was credible right I just don't really
understand why anybody felt like they were to be sitting on that information this those were rumors that were going
on within weeks of the homicide not only is this case connected to Snapchat because
the girls were on Snapchat taking photos of themselves at the bridge but you had
an individual that came forward that claimed that he knew one of the girls was talking to an older individual
online right and I'll tell you what the situation is yes you could see that that
could be plausible that that that might even be likely it's difficult to say I feel like with this new information that
comes out it it either suggests that that's far more likely than we once thought or this is a whole
different a whole different monster into itself in regards to the tips you know with requesting tip information from the
public and and kudos to you public and armchair slle and internet slle out there there's been no shortage of of
information that has been presented to ISP and the Carol County Sheriff's Office and the FBI how much of it is
actually good information probably not very much at all would be my speculation you can't you know you can't smack
somebody on on the hand for trying to help and so this is the situation that we find ourselves in once again we are
asked to give more help and if anybody knows anything let's report it if anybody has any information specifically
about Anthony shots any kind of online profile social media profile Anthony shots they want to hear from you now one
thing that I think is a little bit of a a misstep here in this investigation and
a misstep in the request for information from the public that I think that they really kind of left out in the 2017
request for information I want to start off by giving them some praise here because I think it's smart and valuable
to tell the public and remind them that we are looking for specific information right name of the individual that you're
reporting if you have a date of birth even if you can just tell us a year that he was born or approximate age physical
description where the person may live or known location especially at the time or
Time Around The Murders vehicle information specific reason why you're giving the tip right why do you
suspect this person and what would be their motivation for committing such a heinous crime their connection to the
area Deli Indiana that's not you know what 2900 people live there approximately what would be this
person's connection to the moanin High Bridge or the trail system or Deli itself or even Caroll County well one of
the things I took notice of right away is that they had Jeremy Pierce asking for this information Sergeant Jeremy
Pierce why didn't they have to lesen be or Carter ask this information to law enforcement agents that anybody
following this case could identify those guys yeah you're right Captain we have superintendent of the Indiana State
Police Douglas Carter and the Carroll County Sheriff Co lesby who have kind of become the face of this investigation or
the faces of this investigation I think I have that answer but I want to kind of
finish what I was talking about in regards to this tip and and where I think there was a bit of a misstep
because right I want to give them praise because I think giving the public what they consider to be
reminding them we want specific information here and almost giving the public a template this is what we're
looking for can you fill out as much of this template as possible when submitting your tip this will be most
helpful to us the thing that I think they missed here was what the FBI was telling us in the early stages of of the
investigation because remember I know it was your feeling it was my feeling and I
think it was the feeling of everyone in Deli and across this greatest of Nations
that we thought that an arrest was coming really quickly when this case broke mhm and we had the FBI upfront and
Center telling us the public do you know somebody that is behaving differently today than they
were behaving on February 12th or February 13th of 2017 has this person changed have is their personality
different are they angry or sad or suicidal are they not speaking to anyone or have they developed a drinking issue
or a drug issue appear change their appearance and the one I thing that I think is the most important thing that
the FBI was asking us was we want to hear from you if you know somebody that was supposed to be somewhere on February
13th and didn't show up maybe they called off work maybe they had a doctor's appointment that they missed or
maybe they told you that they were going to the dentist but later you found out they never did or never even an
appointment maybe they told you they were going out of town for work was there somebody that you knew that left
abruptly on the 14th or the 15th of February that's one thing that I think is is needs to be thrown out there as a
reminder to the public and I think they should attach that to their little template that they've given us now I
know that I'm saying that and we're discussing this case and it's almost five years later so who knows but but
hold on a second they're also not telling us that this guy is even connected to the deli murders could you
add that to what they're already telling us last week I I think one of the things
that they did which was a good thing even though media the next day said hey we we know who this individual is or at
least who we think created this account I thought one of the things they did well is we're looking for anybody who
who has had contact with this profile and did they to meet up with you do you know any because it could be multiple
people that use that profile right but the answer your first question here we have uh Sheriff Tobe lesen be told the
Carol County comment on Tuesday that he would not deviate from the press release
information this is the request from the Indiana State Police he said the reason
the press release came from the Indiana State Police to answer your question why
didn't come from to lesen be and the sheriff's department he says it's simply because that that agency has the most
media resources available in the state of Indiana to lesby denied that the case is now an Indiana State Police case he
said it continues to be a multi-agency case in Carroll County he said the information requested in the press
release could be information that would help to potentially move forward with the investigation and he's referencing
Libyan aby's case right in regard to Sergeant Jeremy Pier delivering this message to the public I think that part
of it pretty simple you know we have the words from to lesen to give his response
or his answer to why it didn't come from him right but the Indiana State Police has always kind of been
the the focal point right Doug Carter has always kind of been the the the face and The Voice that you think of when you
think of law enforcement being involved in this case and so as far as Jeremy Pierce being the one to deliver that
information I mean look at his title he's the public information officer for the Lafayette post well he probably has
some training with the media I mean he delivered the message very clearly and look at how the case was handled early
on in the very early stages the information that was coming out or the the person Fielding the questions was um
Sergeant Kim Riley before we started seeing Doug Carter all the time and Sergeant Kim Riley his title was public
information officer so it's actually coming from the what is likely the most appropriate person to deliver the
information one thing that is a little tricky is that it's coming from the Lafayette post right so it's coming from
that specific post they have posts all over the state of of Indiana they could have chose any of them I guess but I
thought that Sergeant Jeremy Pierce did a great job on his clear and concise delivery of the information that we
needed to know that they they believe that we need to know and asking and requesting for information in return but
this makes it to me a lot more confusing of a case because again they they make the statement were looking for people or
looking for anybody that had contact with the social media profile any information on this
individual the next day the media is telling you well we know who the individual is well so then it makes you
question why didn't they just come out and say we know that this guy created the account we know that kleene Keegan
Klein created the account we know that he used the account but we need more information about him or maybe other
individuals that use the account okay so you might be getting ahead of some of the people here so let's let's fill them
in a little bit what we have here is that a a late release that came out Tuesday of last week stated that uh
Lafayette court documents obtained by WLFI TV news 18 this ISS news 18 I've seen News 13 as being the one to break
this end of the case but that's another argument for another day revealed The Man Behind the account according to
their account child pornography charges filed in 2020 suggests that it is 27-year-old Keegan kleene Keegan Anthony
kleene kleene was charged last year with 30 counts I'm sorry with 30 felonies pending in Miami County the heavily
redacted court documents make no mention of the deli case although they note FBI
made contact with kleene while working another Indiana State Police case Klein has not been arrested or charged in
connection to the deli investigation and since we have those court records can you go over the list of charges against
kleene Klein is being charged with child solicitation child exploitation possession of child pornography child
exploitation child exploitation possession of child pornography synthetic identity deception and
obstruction of Justice one thing I want to make sure that I address before we move on too far here Captain I get
contacted all the time from people that say and I don't I don't want to sound like I'm annoyed I just want to make
sure that I'm kind of clearing the way for our discussion as we have it and I apologize to you those of you that are
not comfortable with the terminology of child pornography I get contacted all the time and and this is a healthy
reminder I think this is a healthy reminder that words do matter and people get concerned and say Nick could you
please stop saying child pornography because it implies that the child is willingly participating in whatever is
depicted in those images or or the video or what have you we use that terminology
here in the garage because as you just heard that is the legal terminology that this man if we can call him that will be
charged with yeah we can call a [ __ ] bag so for the sake of keeping the show moving along we use that terminology and
we I I want to point out that I I feel like the general understanding should be as it's understood by the law a child
doesn't have the ability to legally consent to whatever was depicted in those images or those videos we've
decided as a society that that's not appropriate and that that is illegal and that that child is probably doing
something that they do not want to participate in that they are being forced to do it we've decided that they
are too young to mentally and emotionally consent to any of that so I don't think that anybody here in the
garage believes that these children are agreeing to do whatever that they are forced to do again it's just the
terminology that's used in the the legal realm if you will and so for for U to keep things moving along will continue
to use that that terminology you had said why not Doug Carter and you know he's kind of become
the super cop in the the deli case he's the one that is obviously very emotional
and very emotionally invested in this case that seems obvious to me I wonder Captain if that was either
decided specifically to make sure that the whole world didn't get thrown into a tail
spin we cannot say we cannot sit here and say if we and when I say we I mean the whole the public in whole is the
public overreacting to this request for information we won't know that until they solved the deli case it could be
that we are in fact overreacting and maybe ISP was fearful of an overreaction by the public and so they chose not to
put Doug Carter's face voice on this request for the information as far as what they are requesting again you're
very smart to be pointing out it's a little convoluted right captain that it's confusing what they are requesting
from us because it seems like well they already knew yeah who was behind the Anthony unor shots profile or at least
who created it or at least who created it and who was using it for Dirty Deeds but yet they're asking us for
information about the Creator about the profile itself I think what's interesting there what's really
interesting to me there is that they they have not had to say that this guy is a suspect or isn't a suspect in the
deli case they haven't had to tell us yes we knew who was doing this until presented with that information and
confronted with that information they're simply saying I think they're leaving the door open right we want information
about this profile what it was being used for who was using it and and what who they were interacting with and why
yeah not necessarily saying we want to know who Keegan Anthony Klein was interacting with they're leaving the
door open to being a possibility that maybe other people were using this profile or a similar profile
yeah in the last few days I've been doing a lot of research on the dark web and this seems like a very common thing
where some somebody creates a social media account gets all the pictures and information and then sells that to you
and already has made contact with women or girls and has already got them to start sending videos or pictures the
other thing too we need to keep in mind is they they being law enforcement are probably very concerned that they don't
know every Avenue and out let that kleene used this profile for right so you want to keep that door open they
need information they're not going to limit they're not going to say hey we're only we only want this or that or the
other thing they they want the floodgates to come open with information to them about this Anthony shot's
profile and you're exactly right Captain you are exactly right crime is just like
anything else on this Big Blue Marble right if some guy's got a really good golf swing and he can drive the ball 300
yards and he's shooting under par every day of his life well guess what doesn't everybody in their brothers try to
emulate that golf swing just like criminals do they sit back and they see what works and what doesn't work and the
things that don't work or get people caught those are the things that they avoid and the things that work whether
it be stealing money embezzling money whatever or finding a victim to get nude pictures or or a murder victim or what
have you what works that's what they go for they they will copycat what works and they will avoid what they've seen
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difficult time to be missing loved ones especially when they've never gotten Justice that's the case in Deli for the
families of Libby German and Abby Williams but tonight Libby's grandfather does have some Hope from that new
potential lead a fake social media profile State Police are trying to learn more about right now our Emily Long
Necker talked with him about his wish for justice this Christmas it's heavy heavy to carry it
around this long knowing that somebody's done this and they're still out there for nearly 5 years Mike Patty has
carried the weight of not knowing who killed his granddaughter Libby German and her friend Abby Williams on a nature
trail in Deli in February 2017 nobody had a right to do that you know what I mean they two innocent you girls
lives had no right you had no right to do that this is the man police say murdered the girls sometime after Libby
captured him on video using her cell phone and also recording his voice now nearly 5 years later with
Christmas just weeks away Patty thinks about how different the holidays are without his granddaughter what do you do
for Libby you know what I mean what do we do do you put out stocking I mean you know mean would you do a set a place at
the table this year Patty hopes there is something the public can do for liby and
Abbey now that investigators have asked for help Indiana State Police want to hear from anyone who may have had
contact via social media with the profile name Anthony uncore shots investigators say the profile is
connected to the selfi investigation it's another step in the case you know and and I think it is it is a big one
patty says he hasn't read the court documents out of Miami County linking the profile name to this man Keegan
Anthony kleene Klein is in jail right now awaiting trial on a separate case involving multiple charges involving
child exploitation and possession of child porn investigators haven't named Klein as a suspect or even a person of
interest in the murders of Abby and Libby court documents show investigators search client Peru home 11 days after
the girls bodies were found in those same documents police alleged client created the Anthony shot's account 6
months prior to the girl's disappearance telling police he made the account to contact girls some under 16 Mike Patty
says he doesn't recognize Klein's name or know whether his granddaughter had any contact with him via social media
but says he warned Libby about strangers reaching out on the internet because I discussed so many things in in relation
to safety and just being uh you know cautious of your surroundings at all times Mike Patty says it's his
understanding tips have been coming in since Monday night when investigators asked for new information he's praying
one of those tips can eventually lead to charges against the person responsible for Libby and aby's murders and we're
going to push forward and we're going to drive hard to to get Justice you know it's what I'm focused
on now we asked State Police today if investigators have received any new calls or tips about the Anthony shot
social media profile that they asked us to share with you but State Police said they could not answer our question now
the reward for information leading to an arrest in the deli murders now stands at
$350,000 if you can help email the Abby and Libby tip line you see here on your screen you can also find it on our
website tonight wthr.com now Keegan Anthony Klein the man who court documents say ran the Anthony
shot's profile is not charged in the deaths of Abby Williams and Libby German but he is in jail right now on charges
for crimes against children police right now are trying to figure out if there's
any connection to the deli murders our Rich NY hit the road to retrace exactly what led police
decline in February 2017 11 days after the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were found police served a search
warrant at this house in Peru where Keegan kleene lived with his father court records say Klein created
the Anthony shots fake social media profile to meet underage girls police allegedly found sexually explicit images
of underage girls on multiple electronic devices kleene was not arrested until August 2020 at his girlfriend's
apartment in cooko he faces 30 felony charges involving child pornography but no charges in the deli murders Keegan
Klein was booked booked into the Miami County Jail on August 19th 2020 so he's been here for well over a year now he'd
have to come up with $26,500 in cash to get out on bail before his trial so again to be clear there is
nothing from police that connects Abby and Libby to that man but the only thing that is clear investigators really want
to hear more from anyone who's communicated with that account we have a full timeline of events here backgrounds
on the killings and remember those sketches that police have released as well all tonight on wthr.com so we
started to touch on this Captain before the break there and we mentioned this Keegan Anthony Klein individual and he's
been directly tied to the Anthony underscore shots profile or at least one of those profiles that was being used we
know that he's not been directly connected to the Libyan Abbey murder investigation other than we have ISP
telling us that during the course of that investigation they then latched onto this Anthony shot's thing which led
them to Keegan Anthony kleene you want to talk about a an emotional roller coaster here right what was your initial
reaction on that Monday night when we hear police are looking for information and it's somehow tied to the deli case
well at first I thought well here's some new information that we haven't heard and if you connect this with what they
were stating in 2019 if these are connected this could be something and then when you find out
that once you figure out that multiple family members of the victims talk to press and say look we're hopeful this is
something and Kelsey which is pretty reserved in the information that she shares online was posting this all over
social media really made me feel feel like okay now maybe we're taking a step in the right direction Kelsey is Libby's
older sister and you're right she doesn't have like this sort of knee-jerk reaction to anytime there's some creep
that's been arrested in Indiana or some unfortunate murder takes place and they've made an arrest there she doesn't
do that you're right she she kind of sits back and lets the information take direct her reaction I believe so well I
believe the family members are in close contact with law enforcement and I think
that's another reason again that's me assuming that they're sharing this information because that maybe they know
more about it from their contact with law enforcement so it very much made me feel like we're heading in the right
direction well and that's something that I wondered about as well Captain because
what I did was I had to go back I felt compelled to go back and watch the April 22nd
2019 press release with the emotional Doug Carter speech followed up with the new
sketch and the additional audio the addition of guys added to down the hill and in that press release at that press
conference ISP is telling us hey please do not reach out media don't reach out to the families of our victims here
because we gave them this new information before we are delivering it to you right now right but we only gave
it to him minutes you know or hours they just heard that this morning and now this is
still new information to them as well so I really wondered that same thing if that same scenario took place in this
situation where hey we're going to send out um a request from the public for information about Anthony shots about an
Anthony shots social media profile and it's going to come out later today I wondered if they reached out in
advance so that they wouldn't be shocked when they saw it and I'm I'm guessing that that that may have happened here
again I I would assume so and you're right it's it's a weird situation because that Monday night dude I went to
bed and I was like I think this is it and and I don't want to to add too much weight to the information that was
coming out but I was still trying to process it but at the very least and I'll be awfully selfish here and go you
know what this gave me some hope I because I was starting to feel I was starting to become Doom and Gloom here
in this case man like we said since 2019 there hasn't been a lick of information
and really all they've stated I think it was a few months back where they stated
we have a blackout to towards media we're not going to share any information so when this comes out you go oh they're
on to something and what my sources were telling me instantly was this is not the
last of this information to come out and there'd be more information in the following week
well then the next day when the media is telling you they already know who this individual is and he's already been
arrested to me that was like you know it's deflating a punch in the gut yeah it's deflating because I went to bed
Monday night going all right well here we have something this this is something that they're going to receive a wealth
of information from the public about and this is going to create new leads it's going to give him new a new breadcrumb
Trail probably multiple breadcrumb trails and it could lead to bridge guy and then yeah the the news on Tuesday
saying we find out well they already know who this guy is one thing you kind of Wonder Don't You kind of Wonder is
there is there a chance that the Indiana State Police puts out this information with the idea that they don't know I
mean they don't say we don't know who who is responsible for this they simply throw it out to the public we need
information about Anthony shots profiles and kind of leave it open-ended and then
maybe do they leak purposely leak to somebody cuz I have a hard time believing that that some news station
just just stumbled on it or knew the right place to look I guess I guess maybe it wouldn't be that that terribly
difficult if you started to really review what they were doing in the very early processes of their investigation
the murder investigation well their knowledge of the warrants that they were that they were uh filing and and
carrying out yeah the knowledge again a a good journalist has extensive knowledge in case files and for them to
have also contacts too I mean they might have somebody at the courthouse going hey you know this is connected to a case
or this this announcement is connected to this case that's already ongoing I mean look one we're holding this
individual for quite a a long time before a trial takes place my thing was if you connect it
with the information we already know and and you have to then assume that it's somehow connected that this cin
character is connected to Deli then to me it's it's either a a to a crime A to B crime or a to like Z crime and what I
mean by that is we know that client was using these profiles is there a connection to the profile when client
was using it to the victims some people say yes uh there is some information online about that I I'll share these
pictures with you in a second to get your opinions on them but the other thought was well maybe he had access to
the profiles he was setting them up he was using them and somebody like possibly his father then took these and
used them to try to lure Abby and Libby to the park the other thing too here Captain is the situation where it may be
an unknown individual was using a similar profile that was either set up or or the creative end of it was
inspired by an already established profile that seemed to be working Anthony shots and when I say working it
means what he set it up to do get nude photos of underage girls and videos and and that sort of thing it was working
because it was it was getting what he set out to achieve a lot of times these guys are
sharing images and and files electronic files with one another and and trading them some of them almost collecting them
and was this something that he could have inspired someone else to do or somebody saw this thing working and
thought you know what I'm going to copycat that yeah that's the other thing too is sometimes you you see a profile
we've seen this on MTV's Catfish where somebody sets up a profile Anthony shots and then somebody else sees that profile
and says well look here's all this information I can take this and set up my own one because one of the things
that I saw in documents is I've seen Anthony unor shots and I've also seen Anthony unor shot without the S and I
don't know if that is just a typo or if there was multiple accounts so then we have again somebody could have
took this profile took this idea and used it themselves and then that would have nothing to do with Klein but like I
said this deep dive that I've been doing the last week into the dark web it seems
like this is something that goes on a lot more than you would expect and the way they do it is a couple ways I set up
this account I start getting these conversations going with different groups of underage girls or underage
boys and then I give you access so now you can have conversations with them you could try to meet them up if you wanted
to or I just you pay for Access and now the account is yours so that opens up a whole web of who it could be but it
seems to me like like I said we've been covering so many cases is I know little to nothing
about this world but what they're stating in a lot of the research I've done is well guys that do this stuff
guys that are they're into the dark web guys that are into using the internet in
a various ways they kind of they all kind of find each other it's kind of like you you know the guys that play
Fantasy Football they somehow are friends with a lot of other guys that play fanty
football just like music is a a passion a hobby whatever A lot of my friends are
musicians so same thing these scumbags they they find each other yeah and it could be very it could be just as simple
as they can see online people interacting with one another and go you know what that could be a fake profile
and that is definitely an underage person that's communicating with them it's just like a bomb maker right nobody
is born into this world knowing how to make a bomb but what you do is if you want to take on that dirty deed as a
hobby well you learn and you hone that skill and you learn how to make better bombs more sophisticated bombs more
undetectable bombs and so on and so forth and you you learn that skill and this can be the same situation where Anthony
underscore shots and it might be annoying to hear me keep saying underscore but as you pointed out you've
seen Anthony shot at times I've also seen Anthony shots with no underscore right and I kind of annoyingly keep
saying that because that is specifically what the Indiana State Police is asking
for so you may have a situation here where you take any you take any uh manufacturing situation or or creative
situation some people are better at certain task and certain have different abilities than others right so could you
have a situation where somebody is really good at setting up creating a fictitious account but another
individual another unfortunately like-minded individual might not be very good at setting them up but is really
good at doing the communication part the back and forth of uh talking and tricking these people into getting what
they want from them well yeah and just because you post a couple pictures of your cars online and just CU you not
your cars but cars that you're claiming are yours houses that you claim are yours or pictures that you claim are of
you that doesn't mean that you're going to be able to carry on a conversation but I would also say in this day and age
which I I do believe is pretty sad is we've gotten into a situation where it doesn't take a lot of
conversation or a lot of getting to know somebody before people start exchanging
these types of pictures uh now what I sent you through your phone which I don't know if you see this this is a
post that Libby posted and was liked by this Anthony shots account now the screenshot I have next to Anthony shot's
account normally it would say follow but this one says requested so I'm guessing
whoever got this information and posted online requested to follow Anthony shots
online and I think it was that Monday when the information came out some of my sources were saying that if you went and
found these accounts online whether it was through I believe it mainly through Instagram where the number of followers
was changing so sometimes increasing times decreasing almost meaning that somebody was using the account either to
add people or to delete people but there was definitely people that once they heard this information they tried to
find these accounts and then tried to request to follow them so they could get more information from the profile well
and one of the people that reached out to me almost immediately and this was first thing Tuesday a.m. after this is
while we're still waiting we've just heard that police are looking for information on Anthony shots we don't
have any of the Keegan Anthony Klein information at this time when I when I first get this message but it came from
Melissa Lee the host of the victimology podcast who had the deli discussion with
us here in episode 395 on True Crime garage Deli murders discussion was the title of that episode and she reached
out and said hey what do you make of this this new information and and what the police are requesting and we traded
some uh of our reactions and and shared our reactions and some of our thoughts there but she pointed out to me and yes
I did receive your your your picture here captain and I'm looking at it I'm I'm not the best to make heads or tails
out of these sort of things for Social Media stuff but uh she passed along something to me and one thing that she
has done really well in her research of the deli case over the years is she's very good at at collecting information
and saving certain things along the way so one thing that she saved is a this is a Facebook post from uh from a
Facebook group in 2017 that Melissa says it's pretty strange it's on par with what detectives
are asking for now see below and she sent me a picture of it and it says uh Liberty German and Abigail Williams case
discussion and a person on there I'll I'll leave their name out of it on February 26th of
2017 posted to the group okay I'm weirded out this is probably just a sign that I'm paying too much attention to
this case but I went to Liberty's Instagram yesterday and noticed that a really strikingly attractive teenager
had liked a couple of her posts I I back searched his profile and it was of an old photo of a male model not a real
person as he was claiming to be but he claimed to have just moved to Lafayette his profile was private and a typical
fishing profile but he only had 50 followers today the likes from him are gone and either his name is changed or
his or sorry he deleted his profile and this poster goes on to say I'm sure the FBI has already read all of their
social networking interactions but I just really wish I'd saved his profile name or emailed it to the sheriff so
that was really interesting to see that was something that she collected back from
2017 the other thing I would like to discuss and I don't see a lot of people discussing it online in the discussion
rooms and all that stuff is when law enforcement came out and said hey look that we want information of this profile
they posted a lot of pictures of this basically fake it's it's a it's a they know it's a known male model
profile that somebody was taking the the pictures from that profile and then using them for the Anthony shots account
but what was also interesting in that group of pictures that they shared now I don't know if they're just
sharing every single picture that was on that profile or has been linked to that
profile but there's again a handful of this male model some where he has a shirt on sometimes he has his shirt off
and then there's other pictures some being of sports cars and then one picture of being money now the reason
why I bring up these pictures is because I don't find it odd that they shared them but I think maybe they shared them
because they're like is there something we missing from these pictures meaning I
can have a pro fake profile and let's say my fake profile I'm using AC Slater as my
pictures but if I take a picture of my stack of money I can still post that if I take a
picture of a a real sports car that I'm seeing in real life I can post that so just because the profile is fake
doesn't mean all the pictures are fake right and I wonder if that's why I mean the stack of cash is you know it's a
large sum of money but that doesn't mean it's impossible that it's not coming directly from Klein or whoever's using
this account the other interesting thing is there's a lot of pictures on Klein's
father's Facebook of fancy sports cars so I think that's maybe one of the reasons why they posted those because
some of those pictures actually could be real and then maybe they're wondering does somebody that knows Klein
or knows people in his Circle have they seen these pictures used on other social
media profiles is again I think it's open-ended and that's how you want to leave this thing if you're really okay
so it's kind of it's kind of funny and and please hear the sarcasm in my voice but what we know is that kleene was
using a fake profile to be able to connect with underage girls so he was catfishing them now we have the Indiana
State Police who are openly fishing for information about Klein and this profile
this online profile yeah and so yeah you could certainly have a situation where somebody is using real actual photos I
think what you're doing here though Captain is you got to return to the idea of every time you're asking the public for
information you want it to be very open-ended you don't want to close any doors because you don't want somebody
out there that might hold the key the key information that you're looking for to go you know what
well it's nothing I don't need to report this this is this is nothing it's a waste of their time it's a waste of my
time you're throwing out all the pictures that were associated with this profile because you're hoping to jog
someone's memory right we are told by the Indiana State Police that they know that the profile was being used from
2016 to 2017 well that's a that's a kick in the gut right there that time frame because we know the girls were killed in
2017 and so what they're trying to do with these images that they include in there in their request for information
they're trying to jog someone's memory that maybe maybe they don't remember the Anthony shot's name but maybe one of
these pictures right will will awaken that memory or they'll go well maybe I maybe I did have some interaction with
this person maybe I did or or soand so showed me a picture you know a friend A girlfriend
of mine showed me a picture of somebody she was chatting with online and maybe she's going to forget but now that image
I can talk to her and say well do you still have any of that can we confirm if it was that profile or not the other
thing that's really interesting to me here is just the way that the EV the events have kind of unfolded and we can
get into you know the time time frame of everything later but one thing that's really interesting to me is just given
the fact that we know the profile was used in 2016 and 2017 with the sole purpose of
communicating with underage girls yeah a pedophile right so these underage girls some of them may
be adults by this time in 2021 they may be less afraid or less concerned about coming
forward yeah they're they're adults now and they may feel more comfortable saying you
know we know that that unfortunately rape is one of the most underreported crimes in this country and
every other country out there and a lot of that is because of the the shame and the embarrassment and and all of that
that comes with that type of of crime and so here it's it's it's not the same obviously but it's you know somebody's
been tricked and somebody an underage girl unfortunately probably did something or sent something that they
really regret and that they would be afraid to come forward with when they're 13 14 15 years old because of you know
Mom and Dad might get upset or this could embarrass my family or this could ruin my chances of getting into to a
good college I mean you it can go on and on and on the reasons why not to come forward but now that somebody has
matured a little bit and they're a little bit older maybe they'll feel a little more uh comfortable uh coming
forward and and also please know that this regardless of what they tell us this does have direct implications in
the Libyan Abbey murder investigation whether at the end of the day Klein is tied to it or not whether at the end of
the day the Anthony shots profile files tied to it or not it does have direct implications because we've said it on
this show how many shows have we done Captain 530 some so we've probably said it on the show 530 some times in these
investigations we are obviously are always looking for the person who committed the crime but along the way it
is also very helpful to be checking off and Crossing off and exing out names of people that did not Comm the
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New leads in the Abby and Libby case focus on the Anthony Shots profile, raising questions about its connection to the murders.

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Investigation of Anthony Shots Profile. Detectives uncover an online profile linked to the case and seek public assistance.
Hope for Justice. Mike Patty carries the weight of not knowing who killed his granddaughter, Libby German.

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