College Killer Thinks He Can Get Away With It | Forensic Files

So, if you know something, you'll be able to go home today. You aren't going anywhere. What you did
last night is [ __ ] up. You killed somebody. Just hours prior to this interrogation,
20-year-old Isaac Pence brutally stabbed someone to death and [music] fled the scene. Over 20 college students watched
as Isaac viciously took the life of their friend, Charles Starner. Unfortunately for them, they were in the
middle of the woods staying in a vacation cabin in Ohio. Help was far away and Isaac was on the run. Over the
course of the next few days, this group of [music] college kids would work with police to hunt down this evil killer
together and bring justice to their friend who was senselessly killed. But Isaac thinks he's getting away with it.
That smells like [ __ ] And you think that's funny? Everyone got way too drunk, about 15 of
them. All went to the cabin outside and tried to jump in. Yeah, I woke up and my mom's like, "Hey,
cops are here for you." I was like, "What the [ __ ] do you mean cops are here for me?"
On the night of April 22nd, 2023, 23-year-old Dalton Flag was celebrating his birthday [music] with friends and
family at a rented cabin in Hocking County, Ohio. But what should have been the perfect night would quickly turn out
to be a tragedy. This is the CCTV footage outside the house. After a long night of drinking,
an altercation ensues between a group of teens. Isaac stood in the midst of the argument with his girlfriend, Sabra,
watching from afar. After a few seconds of back and forth, Isaac snaps, throwing
a punch into the crowd. This made them push Isaac back into a car where he would strike the crowd again before
setting off towards his own vehicle. However, moments later the fist [music] fight quickly turned into a gruesome
scene. Outside of the camera's view, Isaac ran back to his car to grab something. But
before he could exit his car again, he was quickly cornered by multiple people trying to force him to leave. That's
when Isaac pulled out his knife and attacked. Charles Starner, the college student
pushing on Isaac's car door, went on to receive six brutal stab wounds struck in
the neck and the back. Panic set in as everyone realized the horrifying scene unfolding in front of them. One of
Charles's friends quickly grabbed him [music] and pulled him away from the vicious attack. Isaac would then quickly
get inside his car and drive off into the woods with his girlfriend Sabra. The killer Isaac was now on the loose and
would spend the following hours attempting to cover his tracks. Charlie on the other hand, the student he just
stabbed, limped over to his friends fading in and out consciousness. Charlie's friend Hannah was an EMS
student, but the injuries were too brutal for her to keep him alive. By the time paramedics arrived on scene, it was
already too late and Charlie would pass away. Officers at this point have no idea what
led to Charlie's death. Anyone at the crime scene could be a potential killer, so they immediately rally everyone
together looking for outliers. All right, you want to slide him over so we can I can move my car.
This is Detective Sumner right there. She's going to start asking you questions.
Nice to meet you. Top of the morning to you. Yeah, great night. Who saw what happened?
I saw everything that happened. I don't know. you come stand over here? You saw what happened too? Stay
separate, but stand over here. Anyone else? The two people who just stepped forward
are Hannah and James, and they are the only two who are entirely drenched in blood.
Do you have a phone? Um, I believe it's Okay. right here on the side of the forearm.
Just stand where you're at. So, I think all of that's Any blood on your pants, your shoes?
Bro. We're probably going to take your hoodie. James's blood stains appear to be those
of a witness, since they were smooth and smeared. If he was the one who stabbed Charlie, the blood patterns would likely
be sharp and scattered across the body. As for Hannah, all of her arms were covered in blood, indicating that she
was likely trying to stop Charlie from bleeding out by applying pressure. Regardless, it's clear the two were
eyewitnesses to Charlie's murder, so Detective Summers and her counterpart would immediately conduct an interview
with both James and Hannah to get a clear recollection of events. All right. That's the body cam sitting out there in
the back. Yes. All right. Tell me what you saw, what happened, what led up to all these
events. So, I had been inside the house. Once you go in, once you go in, and you go to
the right, there's like the whole kitchen, family room, blah blah blah blah blah.
Well, uh there's this one kid at the whole party that cuz he knew I had background in EMS, was
calling me firefighter, firefighter, firefighter. And so, I showed him some pictures from
like different like fires I'd been on. And then, somebody got mad at him for talking to me,
which wasn't even any guy that I really knew. Well, so they started fist fighting inside, like right in the
doorway, once you go into the right. And the kid that's covered in blood, Jimmy,
Jimmy and I were kind of standing off to the side. And I told him, I was like, "I
don't like this." Cuz like I mean everybody's trying to tear it up and stuff. Like they were still wrestling.
They got out into this main four door right here in front of the door, but I was still sitting like at the kitchen
table. So, I could kind of hear what was going on. But once again, I don't want to get
involved. And then I heard where I heard somebody say gun. And that's when I was
like, "I'm definitely going to stay in here." They're out here fighting like right in front of my truck, the Toyota
4Runner. And uh Jimmy, the kid that's covered in blood, was trying to separate them.
And I think what happened is he pulled over to his center center console, pulled a knife out.
And when he did, he went straight for the neck. That's how he got the neck wound.
For his back. For his back again. And he got him again in the back. I want to say it was like five stab wounds,
four or five stab wounds. But I mean, he did Like I mean, it was very fast, very
vigorously. The moves Hannah describes are not supposed to be used [music] to protect
yourself from the attacker, but to kill them. One poke or a stab might be enough
to deter the attacker, but four or five of them to vital parts of the victim's body is a clear indication that Isaac
intended to kill. So, kind of [music] explain this to me a little bit. So, they were fighting, I
guess fist fighting over here on this side? Yeah, they were fighting on this side.
Okay. And then what happened? That guy, I think his name's Isaac. He got up, came over to his car, which was
right where the got up. So, he got knocked down? [snorts] I don't know. I was standing on the porch at that
time. He's over here on the porch. Yeah. Okay. But I just saw them all go down there. He was parked right next to
the 4Runner. So, he went to get in his car, and that's when everything happened. But I
saw him start stabbing Charlie, so that's when I kicked his door to kind of stop him. And then
I pulled Charlie away and then onto the other side and that's when I was we were all just holding him.
Did he know he had a knife at that point, you think? knew. Okay. I mean, after that, I like I just got my
arm around Charlie to hold pressure on all of his wounds and then that's why there's blood from this side of the
4Runner over cuz after I dragged him there, that's where I sat the whole time until
you guys got here. It just I trust my gut feeling and tonight was just not right and that was
terrifying. Well, I understand cuz it was just an absolute show and I came out onto the porch to make sure like I
was honestly kind of scared I was going to get shot because they had said, you know, there might be a gun, but I wanted
to be here in case somebody got hurt and Isaac had called over the phone and threatened to come back and finish the
job, further confirming to police that this was not an act of self-defense. While Jimmy and Hannah's interviews
provide detectives with a clear picture of what led to the stabbings, both witnesses had never met Isaac before.
However, police still know nothing about the actual person who committed this murder, so Detective Summers decides to
bring in Dalton, [music] the party's host, who also happens to be Sabra's brother, and he would reveal some
twisted information crucial to solving this case. So, walk me through. How long have you
guys been here? Um we've been here the whole weekend. Um Yeah, we we we got here Friday uh like
4:00 p.m. I think it was. Um and literally like all these people I was making sure everybody had like safe
rides home. I didn't want people driving like if you're driving, I there's plenty
of room to stay. You all everybody could stay. And I was making sure everyone was
leaving and Isaac Pence, the one that he was belligerent and I said, "Dude, I was
like you have a safe ride to go home. Just leave. Leave. There's no like just no there's no reason for anything here.
Like everybody's going home. Half the people are sleeping trying to go to bed. Like, I was in the in the when this all
like went down, I was try I was telling everybody to get like get him out like just get him out of
here. Tell him to leave, get him out of here. And then start they all start freaking out. He
stabbed he stabbed him. I was like We all were freaking out. Like, I was like I I'm so much in shock like I did
not know what to do. I was up there and Hannah and Jimmy they were all helping like holding like on him. I was like
just keep pressure on him. Like, I like I'm I don't know what to do like And they were all calling like
Who is him when you're saying that they were holding pressure on him? Who is The one that got stabbed. Charlie, Star,
Hannah and Jimmy they were holding pressure on him after like They were like He He stabbed him. He stabbed him.
And like Isaac hopped in the car after like immediately and sped off. He was up there here.
Okay. Who was Isaac with? Who did he sleep with? He My sister Sabre fight. Isaac's had issues in the past. He's put
his hands on my sister and he's just literally went to jail 3 months ago for putting his hands on my mom.
Isaac Pence was someone that should never have been at this party in the first place. He already had a history of
being violent as Dalton explained and to make matters worse, he was dead beat drunk. Flailing around, assaulting
everyone that came into view. It was only a matter of time before someone got seriously hurt. It just so happened that
Dalton telling Isaac to leave made him explode. More importantly, Dalton explained that Isaac went to prison for
assaulting his mother. This is very important information as it could prove in court that Isaac had pre-existing
tendencies of assault. Detective Summers plans to speak to Dalton's mother face-to-face but [music] before she's
able to do so, she receives disturbing information that changes [music] the case completely.
They went to the hotel room where Sabre's mom is staying. She told him to get their [ __ ] and get out. I mean, I
don't know she doesn't know if he's coming back to finish what he started or what.
Cool. Nice. Cool. All right. Have a good one. I'll head over to the car. All right, bud. Good luck. Go with God.
With these claims in mind, police would have everyone evacuate the premises and lock down the cabin. Fortunately, Isaac
would never show and the hunt for Isaac Pence would go cold for the night. Um how many children do you have? This
is the type of Randall. We just need a statement from you about what happened last night.
I know. I was Besides we start work at 6:00 this morning, I was woke up at 3:00 a.m. by
my daughter calling me on the phone. She was hard to understand. I could tell she was intoxicated.
And she was very hard for me to understand what she was saying. Um I could I knew there was a fight. She
said a fight was breaking out. Um She said I've lost my gla- I don't have my glasses. I don't have my purse. I
don't have a shoe. I was trampled on. Dalton [cough] and Isaac. Dalton is my son. Isaac is
They Not very good blood, but He's Isaac's not treating Sabre very well. Um I I We had a court case not too long ago
where he threw me across the room. So, Dalton's just He's protective of his sis- of his
sister. Worried for her safety, really. Um so, he told her yesterday he's not to
come if he's been drinking. Well, when he got out of the car, [clears throat] he had an He had a
container on him. And Dalton said he tried to get him to leave all night. Several times he tried
to get him to leave and Isaac wouldn't leave. Okay. So, this is what she told you on the
phone, right? Yeah. And then I said, "Sabre, where are you going right now? Where are you Are
you" She said they She first told me they were at Isaac's house. I said, "Sabre."
Okay. But I could hear this in the background. I could hear Isaac talking to somebody.
And she was still sitting in the car. And I said, "If you're at your house, if you guys are at your house, why are you
still sitting in the car?" She's like, "Well, I don't know where we are." I said, "Sabre, ask Isaac where you are."
So, she asked Isaac where they were. Isaac said, "It's okay. I stopped at a buddy's house."
And um I said, "Okay." I don't know what buddy. I know they said something on Chicken Chicken King
Road. But then they left there and came to the room. They were at my room for maybe 20 minutes.
And I told Isaac he needed to leave. He said He was calm when I was talking to Sabre
on the phone. Much different person when he was there at the room. He said, "Well, once I go to my house
and get what I need, I'm going back out there." I don't know what he was meaning, but he
was going out there to finish finish something off. What time was that? That was I mean, they left my room at 19
till 5. 5:00 a.m.? Yes. Cuz then I called my mom cuz I said, "Obviously, I don't know what's going on. It's I
can't I'm not I'm not I'm not going to work today." And I called McDonald's. I'm manager at
McDonald's. And I called him and said, "I don't really know what's going on. This is all I know, but I know
my kid I don't know. I just feel like something's I'm not being told everything and
I just I I still can't believe this. It's frankly terrifying that despite the fact that Sabre just watched her
boyfriend stab someone to death, all she cares about is getting her belongings back before work the next day. This
ignorance and complete disregard for their crimes is something that both Isaac and Sabre should be held
accountable for. Police would go on to get written statements from everyone at the house
that night, adding to the pile of evidence against Isaac. However, the next day, Hannah and James would show up
to the station to provide police with the most damning evidence they've received yet.
Obviously, a lot was going on yesterday. Um so, I uh Remember how I said I had been on the
porch? Mhm. Well, I think I'm Well, I flew off the porch so fast and I ended up on the hood
of my truck because I thought Isaac was going to hit my car. Okay. So, I started recording a video in the
circumstance that he hit my car. Okay. And I captured the entire stabbing. Um I captured um
Sabrina, the female that was in the passenger seat. You can see her reaching in the back seat with her flashlight on
her phone. Um So, There's Sabrina in THE PASSENGER SEAT. [screaming] [screaming]
THERE IS SABRINA. [screaming] AND THEN THAT'S HIM DRIVING AWAY. HONESTLY, IF YOU PUT THE brightness on
the video up, we might be able to see a little bit better. So, it just goes so fast, but it's him
standing up in the door up there. There's Sabrina getting in the back seat. She grabs something and she tosses it
onto his seat. Toss toss it where? Something from the back seat onto his car seat.
Now, Isaac's on so Isaac's right there in the middle. Okay. I see him. He's the one standing up there. That's
his arm yelling telling him then he's stabbing right there. And watching Jimmy grabbing him and
pulling him back. This video is a crucial step in proving Isaac guilty as it shows clearly that
Isaac did in fact stab Charlie. Additionally, Sabre seems to hand something over to Isaac right before the
stabbing occurs, meaning she could have potentially given Isaac the knife used to kill Charlie. With this, police have
more than enough evidence to arrest Isaac and Sabre. This would be an easy task as police were able to ping Sabre's
phone location to Isaac's house. They would be detained shortly thereafter. However, during the investigation, they
also discovered something peculiar. By tracing the car's movements found at Isaac's house, officers realized that
Sabre and Isaac visited two other locations before arriving at their own home. The first was the house of Isaac's
friend Justin Sloan. At approximately 3:00 a.m., just minutes after the stabbing, CCTV cameras captured Sabre
and Isaac stopping at the home. [music] Why exactly they stopped would soon unravel itself as officers called
Justin. Hello. Hello, is this Justin? Yes. Hi Justin, this is Detective McNights,
Hawkins County Sheriff's Office. I appreciate you talking to our Captain Robinson earlier, but I've just got a
couple follow-up questions real quick. Okay. So, the question that I have is, do you
know Sabre? Uh, yes, because she knew my little brother and stuff, that's how I met her.
Uh, but this is the first time she's been in your house? Uh, this current house that I live in,
yes. Normally, we all just kind of meet at our friend's house. Um, was she present during the
discussions when he was when Isaac was telling you what was happening, what happened last night?
Yes, sir. Okay. Was she present when he hid the knives? Uh, she was in my garage on the phone
with her mother. And he left the garage to go Did he say he was to go do that? Yeah, I couldn't really tell him no cuz
I didn't know what was going on. I had no idea if it was true or not. Okay. Do you have any idea who told the
police that he was going to come back and finish the job? I don't think I did hear him say stuff
like that when he was drunk and freaking out at my house though. It might even be
on camera, but I don't know. He did say stuff like that at your house? Kind of It was more of like he just
wanted to go back and beat up the other people that were trying to jump him. [clears throat]
Okay. All right. The killer couple hid two knives at Justin's home. Evidently, the two were
panicking. With a fresh kill on their hands, they didn't know what to do and stashed the knives at Justin's home
without him knowing. Once Justin refuses to give them shelter, Isaac and Sabra make a second stop, Sabra's mother's
hotel room. It's obvious the two were panicking. Isaac knew what he did could get him in serious trouble, so instead
of working with the police to prove his innocence, he hid the murder weapons and
ran. Evidence points to Isaac as a clear killer who murdered an innocent college
student for no reason. With little to no evidence proving the statement to be wrong, detectives decide
[music] it's time to conduct their first formal interrogation with Isaac. The goal of this interrogation is to get
Isaac to admit to the murder and then slowly break his attempt at claiming self-defense until he has nothing left
other than to admit his evil actions. Why [snorts] don't you tell me a little bit about yourself?
Um I live on Hickory 10 Road. And? Okay. How long have you lived there? Uh for about
[clears throat] 6 or 7 years now. Okay. All right. Um Who do you live there with?
Uh my mom, my stepdad. Okay. I got a little brother, little sister. Okay. And then Sabra and my two kids.
Okay. And who's Sabra? Uh my fiance. Okay. All right. And how old are your children?
One is one and one is four months. Okay. All right. On the surface, it might look like Isaac
is a proud father, but he's hiding more than a few skeletons in his closet. When
officers arrived to arrest him, his home's condition was beyond deplorable. The pungent smell of ammonia, likely
accumulated from urine, filled up every single corner of the home. But, that wasn't even the worst part. Isaac was a
well-known abuser, and in his girlfriend's mother's words, Sabra was his biggest victim. This meant that the
children he tries to speak [music] so dearly about were the same ones who, according to people close to Isaac, had
to live in a house that stunk of urine, all the while seeing their mother be abused on the regular. To many, it might
seem that Isaac's complete disregard and ignorance of anyone but himself is what
landed him here in the first place. Yet, in his eyes, he seems to think that he's
done nothing wrong. In fact, as the interview continues, it's almost as if he sees himself as the victim.
All right. So, I was like, you guys came up here for a birthday party, is that correct?
Yeah. Okay. All right. So, whose birthday was it? Um it was her brother's birthday. Um you
know, her brother never got along. Okay. I was there the whole time. I was like,
I knew this was a bad idea. I want to make her happy. So, I was like, you know, I will try to
put my pride aside. Let's go ahead and go. Okay. [music] We were there. Everything
[clears throat] was good. What [snorts] time did you get there? Um it was around 8:00, I think. 8:30. Um
All right. Everything was completely fine. And we were having a good time. Um she ended up having a panic attack cuz
she wanted to get into a hot tub. And she was way too drunk, and she's "Oh, he's going to be mad if I get in the hot
tub." I was like, "Hey, you're fine. Go get in the hot [music] tub." She's like, "Well, there's
other dudes in there." I was like, "Listen, I'm not getting in the hot tub because
I'm wearing work shorts or work pants, work shirt. I'm not getting in the hot tub." I was like, "You want to get in
there? Go ahead." Notice how Isaac completely leaves out the facts that he, too, was
belligerently drunk. Pay attention to how Isaac cleverly leaves out details that made him a [ __ ] in his story.
She gets in there, everything's fine. Well, later on that night, she's outside, and
we're all standing out in the hallway. She's outside, so as she's out on the patio
Isaac. Okay. Um and then it was me, her brother, and I think like two other guys.
And what's her brother's name? Don. Don. Okay. Um I don't know the other two guys.
But we are all standing right here in the hallway. And someone in the middle like pushing
me. So I pushed him back. Well, Don thought that I pushed his girlfriend, Horizon.
And so he got all pissed off. That's when everyone tried to jump me. Well, I kind of knew what I was doing a
little bit. So I start throwing them to the side. And that's when I was like, you know,
I'm not trying to fight anybody, so just toss me to the side. I got in my car. I
told Saber, "All right, hey, if you want to go, then we're going." Well, they came and they got in the
passenger car, um and they took her sunglasses, or no, her actual glasses, and her purse out.
Trying to keep her to stay there. So, "Oh, well, you're going to stay here." And I was like, "Well, with
everything going on, like I'm going to leave." Because You You said you just wanted to leave?
Yeah. It was 10 to 15 guys. Okay. And they all they said they are trying to fight me.
Well, then this one comes up to my car door. Came up and he was kicking my car. I mean, once they start sitting there
trying to bust the glass to get to me, that's when I pulled out a knife. I was like, "Hey,
you need to back up." And they didn't listen. They They ended up opening my car door.
What car door? My driver's side car door. They did? Okay. It [music] was two to three guys were
sitting there and they're just yanking on it. I was trying to hold it as good as I could.
And it's three guys sitting there pulling on it. I was like, "I'm not going to let my
door break." I was like, "Hey, you guys need to back up. Like, this is not going
down right here." Okay. And [snorts] they didn't listen. So, I was like, "Listen,
I just started poking at him a little bit." Immediately, Isaac's story contradicts
all of the witness statements thus far. Isaac claims he was the one trying to leave the party, while everyone else
claims they were trying to get Isaac to leave. Unfortunately for Isaac, the phone recording, CCTV footage, and
mountains of other evidence go directly against what he's saying. But for now, detectives will let Isaac create a
detailed narrative without confrontation so that they can use it against him in later interrogations.
Like, I didn't try to do it to physically hurt anybody really bad, but I did it just to like poke like, "Hey, I
have a knife. Calm down." Where did you Where did you get the knife? Oh, it's in my car.
Okay. Um I use it for work. Okay. Because doing construction, Okay. we use it to cut plastic and everything.
Okay. They wouldn't stop. They just kept going. So, I tried to stab the one guy in the
arm just so they would get off. Well, as soon as I stabbed him in the arm, they left.
The other two guys took off completely. Okay. [music] And that's when Sabre got in the car and I
took off. I left, got somewhere safe. I called my mom. and was like, "Hey, I should not be driving right now.
And [clears throat] a bunch of [ __ ] has popped off." I was like, "I need to figure out something. I got
to go somewhere, but I don't need to be driving." So, you stabbed the guy in the arm one
time? Uh I think it was twice. Twice? [music] You're sure it wasn't more than that?
I don't think so. Okay. [clears throat] So, when you left and you said you called mom, right?
Um so, did she come get you from there? Uh Susan wasn't able to. Got you. So, did you go Where did you go
after that? I went straight home. Isaac is blatantly making lie after lie. Every lie he makes during this
interrogation will only come back to haunt him once he's presented with factual evidence.
The the knife, what what's its location? Where is it at? Um the [ __ ] should be in my car.
Should be in the car? So, if I didn't drop it at Got you. Yeah, it It's either in the car or is at
their house. Got you. Okay. Detectives would wrap this interrogation up quickly as they got exactly what he
needed. Isaac doubled down on his claims of self-defense and lied through his teeth in order to do so. Now that they
have these statements on record, Isaac is going to have a really hard time proving his innocence once he's
confronted. But for now, police have another issue to address. It's still unclear what
Sabre's role was in the murder. The phone recording could indicate that she handed Isaac the knife, so she could be
equally as guilty for the crime as Isaac is. However, their one priority is to convict Isaac and extract the truth of
what happened that night. So, they sit Sabre down for her one and only interrogation with plans to slowly build
the pressure until she breaks down and confesses everything. Start out at, let's say, 8:00 last
night. What time did you get to the park? So, I I was at work, and then I got off
at 7:00. Um I got off at around 7:30. Um I had people coming in tanning really late, so
I didn't get out till about 7:30. I went home. Um he was asleep when I got there, Isaac
was. So, I woke him up and I said, "Do you still want to go?" He's like, "Yeah, let's do it. You know,
we'll just go for a few hours, cuz I have I'm supposed to go to bed today." Well,
um once we got there, Marla was like, "Yeah, I want to check with you. Like, just stay, and then we'll make sure
you're up in the morning." I just decided to stay on the couch, cuz I was like, "I know I got to get up in the
morning, you know, I got to go to work. I'm not I don't want to get too like wasted." So, I just stayed on the couch,
and they're still having a good time. Isaac's having a good time. And all of a sudden, I hear this big like, you know,
arguing. And I was like, "Oh my gosh, please tell me it's not with Isaac." I go out, and I hear like a bunch of
different stories. Isaac and a few other people are saying that he accidentally pushed Horizon, which is my brother's
girlfriend. Then, my brother's sitting here saying he intentionally pushed her. I don't think he intentionally pushed
her pushed her. He's not that type of person. He's not violent, especially with girls. He hates cuz his mom was
abused by his dad, so he knows what it's like. And he's seen his mom go through all of that. So, I know he's not that
type of that type of person. It's awfully odd that Sabre describes Isaac as nonviolent
and doubles down on him not being the aggressor the entire night, because all of the previous witnesses stated
otherwise. Isaac has had a thorough history of abuse, and everyone besides Sabre clearly remembers him being the
aggressor the entire night. There is a good chance that the reason why Sabre is defending Isaac is a far more
deep-rooted issue. Trauma bonding occurs when an individual suffers from cycles of abuse, followed by positive
reinforcement. This causes the victim to develop a strong emotional attachment to
the abuser, which can result in a rationalization of the abuser's behavior. Considering the fact that
Isaac has abused Sabre's mom, one might question if he's really the saint Sabre makes him out to be in the relationship.
But for now, all that Sabre wants is to defend Isaac because to her, it doesn't matter if he's a murderer.
And they're sitting here arguing and I'm trying to talk to Isaac to calm him down
because I'm like one of the only people that calm down. I'm like, "Okay, let's just, you know, if anything, let's just
go in your car, sit for like a couple hours, and then we can go home." Then they followed us outside. It was like 10
guys, all of my brother's friends, and this guy, I think his name is Clay. I don't
want to be wrong. He goes, "Are you really starting problems again?" And I think he might have thought maybe when I
had my panic attack that Isaac was starting some sort of drama, but he pushed Isaac. Isaac went flying back
into a car. I tried to intervene, just trying to get Isaac away cuz I didn't want to see my brother fight Isaac
and any of that to happen. They end up like back behind Isaac's car. They end up going down that hill. I'm following
them, trying to, you know, break it up. Somehow I fall, and they're like trampling all over me. I have a big
burns on my knee, and he got in the car and he goes, "Sabre, come on, come on, come on." I didn't
even know someone got stabbed until way after we left. And Isaac was like, "I think I stabbed that dude. I think I
stabbed him." I was like, "I was like, oh my god." I was like, "Isaac, I was like, you literally ran away. Like
that's not what you should do." And then I think he stabbed that his friends also
cuz his friends live lives right down the street. He was flipping out cuz he was like, you know, he was like, "Oh my
god, I don't want to get in trouble. I don't want to get in trouble." Then he ended up going to sleep. So I had an
alarm at 7:00, so I could try and wake up and get time to call someone and see if they were up
at that time. And then at that time, that's when I hear pounding on our front door. And I walk out, and Isaac's mom
was like, "Isaac Isaac needs to get out of here. There's a bunch of cops out here
drawing their weapons. He's got to go out." It's clear Sabra doesn't intend on cracking. So, detectives decide it's
time to put the pressure on Sabra and get her to confess. You can't think of anything else that
you forgot to tell us or didn't mention? Not that I know of. Okay. And what do you know of Justin?
Um I know him not like really well. I just know that him and I that we're friends for a couple years.
How long were you at the house talking to him today with [music] Isaac Isaac? [clears throat]
Like 5 minutes. 5 to 10 minutes. Only 5 to 10 minutes? What's as far as I know. Like I mean,
I went in between. Then we were out there for a little bit, and then we left. I'm sure that somebody's already going
to explain things to you, right? So, mother to mother, you love your children, right?
Yes, very much. Okay. And you want to see your kids again someday, right? Yeah. Because today somebody's actions made it
so a mother lost her son, a father lost his son. Somebody lost their boyfriend. Okay?
Several friends lost another friend who bled out at the hands of someone that you care about.
And you know something. I I I really I don't You were there. Yeah, but I didn't I didn't know he got stabbed. I didn't I
didn't know that until after he we left. If you're trying to protect this man, you're going to go down as an accomplice
for murder. I'm not. I promise. I You know something. I I got knocked down, and I was on the
floor or on the ground, and then I got up, and I didn't I didn't see anyone on the floor. I didn't see anyone else on
the floor. I swear. I'm not trying to protect him. So, what did he say after he stabbed him
cuz you guys drove away together? He had to have said something. He didn't He really didn't He said um
I don't even think he said anything. He just got in the car, I got in the car, and then we left, and then shortly after
that he said that he stabbed someone. I'm going to tell you that I talked to his parents, and they said that he's an
explosive, angry, violent drunk. He is, and I I'll I he he is. He's never been like like aggressive to me. Um he
just He gets aggressive, and he'll like he punches back when he'll He He does stupid things when he's drunk. I'll be
the first to admit that. Listen. He died. He's dead. He's gone. I know. I know. I got to bring someone
for So, I want to know why he didn't have to die. Your honesty today is imperative about
what happened. Your honesty today is the is the paramount of what we need to know,
okay? You're not telling us You're hiding some stuff back. You're trying to protect him.
All right, now listen to me. I spoke to your mother on the phone. So did I. You know he's violent against women,
correct? He's been violent before against women, correct? He was violent against your own mama.
I'm talking about Isaac. He So, yes, he did push my mom. Um He did what? He pushed my mom.
Pushed your mom? Um cuz he went to court for it. Um She punched him first, and then she he
pushed her. So, I will say that yes, but he has never laid a hand on me. He's never done anything like that.
You told me earlier that he would never do that to a woman, correct? I totally forgot about my mom. I'm so
sorry. I How is your mom? How can you forget about your mom? You're trying to just
protect him. I'm not. Okay. I'm going [snorts] to tell you right now that my specialty is
domestic violence, sexual assault, and crimes against children. [music] And the living conditions that your
children are in are a crime. A deplorable, sickening crime. I'm 35 years old and I could barely breathe in
that house. There's dog feces everywhere. There The ammonia in that house is horrible.
We'd made a referral to have your children emergency room I'm going to tell you that. All right,
Sabra, you know how I know you're full of [ __ ] You went to your mom's. You went to
Justin's all before you went back to the house. I talked to your mom. I did go to my mom's. I I totally
forgot. I am so sorry. Are you forgetting cuz you were drunk? Are you forgetting cuz you were high?
No. She's forgetting because she doesn't want to tell us the truth. The only thing that I can have is I can
say about you right now is either she was lying or or she [music] was scared, but she
finally told us the truth. I was scared. Okay. You knew that he threw the knives at
Justin's [music] house, correct? Yes, and I apologize. I was I was scared. Who had the gun at the party?
I And I'm being honest to God, I didn't see a gun. I didn't know who had it. I know my brother has a gun registered in
his name. Did your brother have a gun? I don't know. I didn't see one. Okay. What did you see about this stabbing?
Um I didn't see And I'm being completely truthful on everything. I didn't see anyone get stabbed. I didn't see anyone
fall to the floor or anything. anything. This is when I was I think this all this stabbing happened when I
was on the ground. Well, is there anything else that you think that we should know about?
[snorts] Is there anything that you want the prosecutor to know? Because now's the
time to make your case if if you feel that you have one. Sabra, right now I'm going to apologize
to you for lying to us about that. Yes. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like Sabrina is going to crack anytime soon.
However, her lying is just as bad as Isaac's, so convincing her shouldn't be much of a challenge. Additionally, her
cathartic behavior only strengthened the case against Isaac as she revealed that
they did in fact hide the knives at Justin's home, giving detectives another lie to confront Isaac with. So, once and
for all, using all the evidence they've collected for the last several days, detectives sit Isaac down for a final
interrogation. We're going to read Miranda to you since we've had a break in between.
Do you know what your Miranda rights are? Okay, I'm going to read them to you. After reading Isaac his rights, he would
recount everything that happened the night of the murder. We've heard his story multiple times now, so I'll
fast-forward through that portion of the interrogation. Okay. So, I'm going to tell you the only thing
you have left in this world is your integrity. You know what integrity is? Yeah, your honesty.
And I'm going to tell you that I have found about 40 loopholes already in your story.
And I know the truth. I'm not going to ask you a question I already don't have the answer to. Okay, that would make me
a horrible detective. Been here since 3:30 this morning. The last thing I want is your [ __ ] okay?
I am giving you honesty and I'm giving you the opportunity to come clean, okay? If I go to the prosecutor and say he
gave me a line of crap, you know what they're going to do? They're going to throw the book at you come court time.
If I go to the prosecutor and I say, "Hey, this is the guy who made mistakes cuz we all make mistakes. We do it every
single day. I'm not a perfect person. Dave's not a perfect person. We've done and seen some [ __ ] up things, okay?
What you did last night is [ __ ] up. You killed somebody. What? He's dead. When did he die?
Yeah, he died at 8:31 this morning. The world lost a father. He leaves behind a 9 and 1/2 month old son named
[music] Jet. Okay? Somebody lost their son this A mother and father lost their son. A
girlfriend lost her boyfriend that she held compression on for several minutes waiting for a medic to get there to try
and save his life. He died at Grant this morning and you're facing murder charges.
I didn't know that. You did cuz you didn't stab him twice. You stabbed him multiple times.
Way more than twice. And I've interviewed probably 15 or 16 people today that have painted a pretty
gruesome picture involving you. This is your chance to be honest about it. I was just trying to get them to stop.
You get one shot at this and one shot only. I've talked to your mom. I know you were a very violent, explosive
person. I know you drink almost every weekend. You left her in the care and custody of your two children, Drake Owen
Waylon, who are 13 months and 4 months old. I've been inside your bedroom. I've been inside your car. I've had a very
deep conversation with your girlfriend, your girlfriend's mother, and everyone that was at that cabin. You get one shot
at this with me and that's it. You want to start over? With this brilliant confrontation, the
detective successfully convinced Isaac to start again with his story. Just like in Sabre's interview, he already gave
his version of events before this. So, any mistakes he makes now will seal his fate.
Start at the very beginning. How did you end up there? I ended up because they all wanted to go
and I told her that I would go with her. [music] And so we ended up going. But we've never got along, me and her
brother. Mhm. And of course, her brother's friends aren't going to like me if they don't like me.
But he said that he was going to be cool, calm, collected. I said I'll do the same.
And I was until everything blew up. And once everything blows up, then I just blow up and then I just black out.
How much cocaine did you do last night? I didn't [clears throat] do anything. I know there was cocaine there. I have
already found the cocaine. I didn't do any. Did you smoke weed? No. [music] How much did you drink last night?
Um I think I drank a 12-pack of Miller. I took a couple shots of Tennessee. And a bottle of green
Uh it's like green sour apple schnapps. Huh. There was like a half bottle of that.
Okay. So you drank a [music] lot of alcohol knowing that you have an explosive personality when you're drunk.
Okay. [music] Was there some jealousy issues at this party last night? [music] Yeah, a little bit.
What happened? Um well [music] it's just her brother's friend well her friend and
her brother's friend uh Trey I've always not liked him cuz she sits there and says always like a brother,
but then she got mad at me one time and said, "Oh, well Trey's so hot. I'll just
go [ __ ] him." [music] So that's where I don't really trust him anymore. And uh
So when he came that's kind of where I got jealous. Okay. So [music] Sabra is talking to
Trey. Right? Were they together? Uh they're in the hot tub. Okay. And she starts having a panic attack
Yeah. because why? Uh she thought I was going to be mad. If Sabra had panic attacks just thinking
that Isaac was going to be mad at her, one can question exactly how much abuse she dealt with to behave like this.
Worse yet is the fact that Sabra still believed Isaac to be a saint going as far as to cover up his murder.
So a scuffle ensues and during this scuffle Sabra tries to break it up, right? [music]
Okay. And what happens to Sabra as she's trying to break this up? Uh she said she got trampled.
Who comes to run to her aid? [music] I have no clue. Okay. So, fair to say that you probably
blacked out or there's bits and pieces missing here? Yeah. So, Dalton comes running over because
his sister's now on the ground [music] and she has this tattoo, this is my brother's keeper, and they're they're
close, right? And he is screaming at you guys to knock the [ __ ] off because his
sister's now on the ground and Sabra's having some type of panic attack, [music]
right? She goes to get in the car and she's screaming at you at this point, right?
[music] Do you remember this? No. Okay. Is that when we start fighting on the hill?
Uh-huh. And what happens on that hill? Um [clears throat] on the hill, that's where I got pushed
down. Do you have injuries that would Yeah. collaborate you saying you got pushed
down? The scrapes on your side? Yeah, I have scrapes all over my side and I have a big knot right here where I
got hit. Okay. So, you get pushed down this hill and then what? Then I think we kept on going at it.
Who's we? Cuz we have about 20 or 22 people now that have been at this cabin. I don't even know their names.
I saw the video, somebody clearly shoved you in the front, uh which started the, you know, the
scuffle. That's about the only part I remember is getting pushed and then kind of gone from there until I got in
my car. And when you get in your car, what happens? That's where I think I grabbed a knife.
And I used it to pound on the door, I think. I'll tell you that I have a footprint
that tells me they were trying to close the door. Do you remember any of that? Yeah.
That's it. Okay. And where's Sabra? She was just sitting in the car. Did she get out of the car at any point?
I don't think so. Is she paying attention to what you're doing there or is she preoccupied
[music] with something? I think she was watching TikToks on her phone. Watching TikToks on her phone, knowing
her boyfriend just stabbed somebody. It's pretty normal behavior, right? I mean, hey, you went home and took a
nap. Like it was just another day in the park for you. I was too drunk and didn't really
remember when I got home. But not too drunk to drive. Not too drunk to dispose of the murder
weapon. Not too drunk to try and cover up your tracks. Did you know his name was Charlie?
Yeah. You never met Charlie before that, did you? So you grabbed Charlie by the neck and you
didn't stab Charlie two times. You stabbed Charlie six times. The side of his neck, right here on his
face, twice in his side, once in his back, and somewhere in between his head and his
neck. And you left. You left Charlie to lay there and bleed out on the ground. Charlie didn't die right away, but
Charlie, he died. He coded out in a trauma bay. He made it in an airplane to a hospital in
Columbus. Made it through the surgery and then he couldn't put his heart gave out.
And you know what? His kid isn't the only one left without a dad. Cuz Draco and Waylon aren't going to
have their dad either. They're not going to have their mom either. She went to jail today.
What she in there for? Complicity to murder. Cuz she knew and she didn't do anything
about it. And I turned your kids over to the state earlier this afternoon because the
living conditions in that house are deplorable as well. So, they're not going to have a mother
or a father. Does that change things for you? Yeah. Does that put some things into
perspective? Bet you weren't thinking about that when you threw the knife. All right.
Isaac, you're going to stand up, put your hands behind your back. At this time, you're
under arrest for murder. At this point, Isaac has nothing more to say, and the body cam concludes shortly
after. With so much evidence stacked against him and his girlfriend, the two were placed into custody as they awaited
their trial. A year later, on August 26th, 2024, Sabre Flag pled guilty to obstructing justice. This is a
fifth-degree felony that comes with a maximum of 12 months in prison and a $2,500 fine. As for Isaac Pence, he was
convicted of one count of murder, two counts of felonious assault, and one count of tampering with evidence. A
month later, on September 25th, he was finally sentenced to 18 years to life in prison, where he will not see the light
of day for a long, long time. If you're interested in watching our uncensored, extended, two-to-four-hour
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Over 20 college students watched as Isaac Pence viciously took the life of their friend Charles Starner. Unfortunately for them, they were in the middle of the woods, staying in a vacation cabin in Ohio– Help, was far away, And Issac… was on the run.

Over the course of the next few days, this group of college kids would work with police to hunt down this evil killer together, and bring justice to their friend who was senselessly killed.

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Brief Summary

Isaac Pence stabs Charles Starner at a party, leading to his arrest and conviction for murder after a police investigation.

Key points

A Night of Celebration Turns Tragic. Dalton Flag's birthday celebration spirals into chaos when a stabbing occurs.
Witnesses to Horror. Eyewitnesses recount the brutal stabbing of Charles Starner by Isaac Pence.
Crucial Video Evidence. A recording captures the moment of the stabbing, implicating Isaac and Sabra.
Isaac's Interrogation Begins. Detectives aim to break Isaac's claims of self-defense during his first formal interrogation.
Sabra's Defense of Isaac. Sabra insists Isaac is nonviolent despite evidence to the contrary, revealing her trauma bond.
Living Conditions Exposed. Detectives confront Sabra about the deplorable conditions of her home and its impact on her children.

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You killed somebody.

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