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a share, grab a beer. Let's talk some true crime. The following communication was
sent to K TV and was titled the BTK story. believed to be the autobiography of the killer the police
were searching for, complete with an outline giving the titles to 13 chapters of the BTK story.
They were one, a serial killer is born. Two, dawn. Three, fetish. Four, fantasy world. Five, the
search begins. Six, BTK's haunts. Seven, PJs. Eight, Mid Ruse. Nine hits. 10. Treasured
memories. 11. The final curtain call. 12. Dusk. 13. Will there be [Music] more? In the spring of 1989, Dennis Rder
got a new job as a census field operations supervisor in Witchah, Kansas. Now, he liked this job for many
reasons, mainly because the job required him to be out driving around in a truck.
Mhm. One of his favorite things was to eat his lunch in his truck and scout for possible new victims. He also had, among
other strange hobbies, a hobby where he would scour magazines and newspapers for
ads featuring women that caught his eye. He would cut out the images of the women
he liked and he would glue them to 3x5 index cards. Each day he would place one in his pocket and the card would ride
along in the truck with him while he was out doing his job each day. He would write in his journals at home and talk
like the women were real. So he would write things like drove around today, drove around town today with a sexy red
head. note to self, if I ever start doing this, jump off a bridge immediately. In
1991, he was hired by the compliance department in Park City as a compliance officer. This job required him to work
with code violators, issuing tickets and catching dogs. There were varying stories
regarding Raider at this job. Some would later say that Raider used the position
to bully people. Some say he was just doing his job and others even reported that Raider was nice and helpful. In all
likelihood, he probably did not treat everyone the same way. And he definitely harassed some women during the time when
he was working in this position. And there's one story in particular of a woman that had moved into town into Park
City. And she stated that when she moved to Park City, she was single. And Raider
must have taken a liking to her because he was very helpful, like seemed to be checking on her from time to time, very
pleasant, very nice to her, and he would see her often. I think that's called stalking. Well, when she when she got a
boyfriend Mhm. he changed his song and dance. He really started harassing the woman and started harassing the
boyfriend. he would issue them tickets for very minor infractions, almost seeming like he was making things up
from time to time. And she said that he often would park his truck and sit and eat his lunch where he could see
the house, where he could keep a visual monitoring of the house and maybe of her
as well. Again, that's stalking. Regardless, he seemed to like this job and for many reasons, but mostly because
it gave him some type of authority, giving him a badge and some power. Mhm. Dolores D. Davis, age 62, was born in
1928 in Stella, Nebraska. She was raised on a farm. Now, she was an excellent cook who made everything from scratch.
In 1961, after 12 years of marriage, a son and a daughter, D and her husband divorce. Now, she was a fun, protective,
and devoted mother and grandmother, adored by her family, her son, and you know, his her son always spoke to his
mother on the phone on the weekends, sometimes for hours. When her children and grandchildren gathered for Christmas
at her home in 1990, they spent much time together. But one memory that was created during that trip was they all
sat together and watched the movie All Dogs Go to Heaven. Uh this if anybody's seen this movie, you'll know it's an
emotional movie. It did bring the family to tears. Now D had just retired from her job of over 25 years as a secretary
for a fuel company. She was passionate about animal rights issues and she enjoyed being a Mary Kay cosmetics sales
consultant. Dennis Rder had spent a couple of months driving by her home and seeing her when he decided that she
would be a good target. Well, this is because BTK found her attractive and she lived alone. In January of 1991, Dennis
Raider was going to put together a plan to do a hit on her. Now, on the night of
the 19th, Raider went to Dolores's home. Dolores was home inside reading. Dennis
waited outside for her to turn off the lights before he would break in. While he's out there, Raider is waiting
outside. He's wondering he he cannot figure out how he's going to break into the house. He had already checked the
doors and they were locked and they were far too sturdy for him to pry them open.
After she turned out the lights, Raider cut the phone line to the house. He then
found a cinder block in someone's backyard. He carried it over near Dolores's home. He lifted it up until it
was shoulder high. He centered himself on a large sliding glass door in the back of the house. Raider launched the
heavy block into the air and through the window, instantly shattering the glass.
Dolores ran out of her bedroom screaming. She saw Raider standing inside her home. He told her it was cold
outside and that he needed some warmth, some food, and some money. He ordered her to return to the bedroom. He
followed behind. Once inside the bedroom, Dennis Rder pulled a pair of handcuffs out of his pocket and put them
on her wrist. To try to calm the woman down, he kept telling her he just needed her car keys and then he would be gone
in no time. Once she calmed down, Raider took the cuffs off of Dolores and tied her hands together with rope. He took a
pair of panty hoes from one of the dresser drawers. He wrapped them around her neck, strangling her until she was
dead. Blood had started to come out of her ears, mouth, and nose. It took him about 3 minutes to strangle her. Raider
then wrapped her body up in the blanket that was on the bed and carried her body
out to the trunk of her car. Then he went back into the home and collected some jewelry and clothing of
Dolores's. He then hopped into her car and drove off. He dumped her body in a covert by a highway. Then he drove to
another location and hid the trophies he had collected from her house in a safe spot so that he could retrieve them
later. Then, and I find this to be awfully strange. Mhm. He drove her car back to her house and put it in the
garage and then he strange. He walked like two miles to his own vehicle. I do find this incredibly strange. But here,
one thing I do know about BTK is this. At one of his crimes, he actually left the gun that he used during the crime at
the crime scene. I don't know which crime scene that was, and he said that he had to go back and retrieve that gun.
My guess is it might be this one, right, that he's talking about or his driving around and saw a bunch of cops and
thought, you should just go back to the house and drop off the car at the house.
Well, and a little behind the scenes thought here for everybody. That's kind of why I picked the beer this week to be
dimwit. We have this individual Dennis Rider that likes to portray himself of a certain intellect and to be very smart
and cunning and outsmarting the police and outsmarting his victims when in reality he's just kind of a a buffoon.
You know, he's just kind of dimwit. Yeah, he's a dimwit. Very good. So, I think maybe it might be this crime where
he realized that he had left the gun because he he dumps her body in this culvert just to kind of conceal her and
then he decides to go hide these trophies that he intends to retrieve later, driving her ve vehicle back to
her home, walking two miles to his own vehicle. And then once he gets his vehicle, he drives back to her body,
picks it up, and takes it to another location much further away. He decides that he's going to dump her here at this
new location. Right? This is under a bridge out in the middle of nowhere. Now, the next day, he's still all
charged up and hopped up on these fantasies and thinking about the night before. The next day, he returned to the
body. He placed a plastic mask over the face and put lipstick and makeup on the mask and then he took several photos of
the body. Two weeks later, the body was discovered. The murder was featured in the newspaper. The connection to BTK was
not made. According to Dennis's journals, with each kill, he was extremely paranoid after his murders.
each time expecting the police to show up at his door at any time. But each time that feeling would go away after
about a month or so, and after the paranoia left, each time then he would be back out trolling for victims again.
This murder took place in 1991, but we're not going to hear from the BTK because he goes dark until 2004.
Yeah. the whole time, I guess, living his life, doing normal things, more normal things. Um, however, it would be
what brought this on, I believe, is in January of 2004, the Witchah Eagle ran a story on the 30-year anniversary of the
BTK case. Right. Two months later, in March of 2004, a letter arrived at the newspaper. According to the information
on the envelope, the letter was from Bill Thomas Kilman. The return address was 1684 South Old Manor. The the
address was fake. There was no such place in Witchah. Now, people had always wondered if you
think about the initials of Bill Thomas Kilman, so that's BTK, right? Yeah. And then the other thought was, was he
playing some kind of game? You know, BTK would be an old man by now, and the address used was 1684 South Old Manor,
right? Anyway, inside the envelope, they found photocopied snapshots of a woman who appeared to be either unconscious or
dead. She's lying on a floor. It also contained a photocopy of a driver's license of a 28-year-old Vicky Weggerly,
whose 1986 murder had never been solved or linked to the BTK strangler. Mhm. On the letters, BTK was written at the
bottom of the page. There was also some type of code made up of letters and numbers. Police sent the code to
codereers, but they they came up with nothing. They couldn't crack it. Well, when you're stupid and you come up with
a code, normally it's hard for anybody to to crack it, right? Because it didn't make any sense. In 2000, in the year
2000, this was 2000, four years before BTK ended his silence, the Wagerly cold case became hot. Mhm. The Witchah police
detectives, this is Kelly Otis and Dana Gouge, they were assigned to work on the
unsolved 1986 killing of 28-year-old Vicky Waggerly. A wife and a mother found bound and strangled in her home on
West 13th Street. Mhm. Now, the police had found a man's DNA. This was under the victim's fingernails. And in 2003,
the lead homicide detective, Ken Landwear, remember we talked about him. He was one of the members of the
Ghostbuster Squad. By this point in his career, he's now the lead homicide detective for the Witchah, Kansas Police
Department. Yeah. He had the two detectives on the case test the DNA that was found. Landware had always suspected
that the Vicky Wagerly murder could be the work of BTK. Now, as you know, when it comes to lab work, current cases take
priority over the old ones. So, it was not until after the first communication from BTK in 2004 that they would get the
results back. Well, and it could have been as simple as, hey, we he's made contact again, so they bumped up the
priority. Yeah. Yeah. They may have moved it to the the front of the line. Mhm. But shortly after he broke his
silence, they received the results from those tests and the profile was entered into a newly developed national database
of criminals. Now, there was no match for this. However, the DNA test showed that the same killer had been in the
homes where BTK strangled four members of the Otoro family in 1974 and Nancy Fox in 1977. Mhm. But once police saw
the photocopy of the pictures, then the driver's license and the letters BTK, the hunt was on. So, police announced
the startling new development and the news media pounced on this story. Police received over 1,000 tips over the course
of the first weekend of this investigation that they just launched. Mhm. Now, to handle the response from
the public, police set up a command center at a law enforcement training academy. They needed elbow room for
phone banks and for computers, and they just needed space to work on this thing.
The Sed the Sedwick County Sheriff's Office assisted with data entry and research support. Callers gave police an
overwhelming number of possible suspect names. Detective Landwear and crew decided suspects would be eliminated
systematically and scientifically. Now, the eliminators would be as follows. One
would be race. So, the DNA profile showed the killer was a white male. Mhm. So, if you weren't a white male, you're
eliminated, right? Age. The calculation was based on the idea that the killer probably would have been at youngest 18
to maybe 20 years of age when he killed his first known victims, right? The oturos in January of 74. So the killer
would be at this time 48 years or older. Now incarceration was also very much an
eliminating factor because someone who was in jail or prison during any one of the murders was eliminated. Also,
prisoners in recent years would have DNA on record, and police knew that BTK's DNA didn't match anything in the
database. Right. The most important of all of the eliminating factors was, of course, DNA. In a somewhat controversial
move, investigators took 1600 DNA mouth swabs for men, mainly in and around Witchah, but a few came from people
living out of the state. Almost all of these 1,600 people volunteered and complied to submit their DNA. Well, and
the other crazy thing is is now they're they're realizing with the research that
BTK wasn't dormant. Yeah. And actually a lot of people at this time had probably
forgotten about BTK. The Witchita was no longer afraid of this person. Most people had assumed that he had died or
moved on. But yeah, like you said, you know, he it wasn't that he wasn't dormant during this two and a half
decades. He had just simply kept a lower profile than in his earlier killings. And now police had to wonder, as did the
community, how many killings was he responsible for over the course of that time? Mhm. On June 9th of 2004, what
police would later call communication number three, this was found at the corner of First in Kansas, taped to a
stop sign. One of the documents in the package graphically described the Ouro family murders. Also, there was a
drawing of a nude female bound, gagged, and hanging from a rope. With the drawing were the words, "The sexual
thrill is my bill." This guy's such a douche. In July, workers at the public library discovered a clear plastic bag
at the bottom of a book return bin. Written on the bag were the letters BTK. Inside were five sheets of paper. Two of
the pages detailed BTK's involvement in the death of a troubled 19-year-old man named Jake Allen. Allen's death was
ruled a suicide. Now, Allan was a star athlete in high school who dreamed of being an
optometrist. Allan was picked up and arrested by police. He and some buddies were out drinking and driving and they
had alcohol in the car. After his arrest, he was convinced that he would never get into college. And it is
believed because of this that he decided to take his own life by lying down on the train tracks. Yeah. He was crushed
almost beyond recognition. Now BTK however wrote in this communication that he had been responsible for the death
of, as he put it, old Jakey after meeting him in a computer chat room and convincing the young man that he was in
fact a private eye hunting for BTK. The letter claimed that the young man Jakey had sexual perversions involving
masturbation, bondage, and homosexuality and claimed Jakey agreed to help the fake private eye in his
investigation to find BTK. These, of course, are all lies. However, the police at the time did not know this.
And this was this was actually, you know, where I call Dennis Rder a dimwit. uh this may have been a smart move on
his part just simply because the investigation at that time was white hot, right? And this this is Dennis Rder
throwing a wrench into that welloiled machine because then the police spent weeks focusing in on Jake Allen,
conducting interviews, sifting through his computer, investigating if he was the latest BTK victim. But it was all
for not. It was it was just a farce put on by Raider after he read about the boy's suicide in the newspaper. Now,
what might not be a phony story is that also in this communication, BTK stated that he had some future female and maybe
a child victim in mind, that he had spotted them and had already began to troll them and he just had to quote,
"Work out the details. [Music] [Music] All right. Cheers, mates. We're uh drinking the dimwit. Let's get back to
the dim wit. Cheers, Captain. It was in October that BTK reached out again. What
we're seeing here is a frequency. He can't control himself at this point, right? He's he's enjoying this
communication back and forth too much at this point. Mhm. This communication was
found in a UPS dropbox by one of their drivers. Again, it was a plastic bag with the initials BTK on it. Inside were
three note cards and on them were what BTK called his uno dose trace theory stating that the world of the BTK is
based around the number three and triangles. I could go into this it I I know this stuff but it makes little to
no sense at all. like, you know, like he would draw like a triangle and it would
at one point put BTK police, right? Right. Detectives, you know, or or I'm sorry, BTK, victims,
police, you know, and then the other it sun, heat, warmth, like it was just stuff that made no sense at all, right?
Um, this communication also it contained what is thought to be pieces of the killer's autobiography. And as usual,
this was full of errors and misspellings. It was now, and we kind of talked about this, we don't know if if
he was just an idiot and he was had misspellings or had errors or if he did this on purpose to like throw off the
scent. Yeah. So, um, do you want me to kind of fast forward a little bit since we're on that subject? Yeah. So, yes,
you're you're exactly right. The FBI warned the local police department to not fall for what could be what is
commonly used when these guys make communications is a lot of them will purposely misspell things or they'll
have grammatical errors. In this case with BTK, that was the thought, right? That was the thought
during the time of the investigation after he was caught and after he was uh wrote out his own confessions. They saw
those same. The guy couldn't spell and he couldn't write. Well, he might had some form of dyslexia probably. You
know, which would probably make him feel self-conscious, which would probably lead him to want to feel powerful. Yeah.
You know, I laughed there, but I only laughed there because I actually think maybe he's just more impulsive and less
in control of himself than he thinks that he is, right? Um and that and that this bad spelling thing is something
that has always uh been a part of him right now. Speaking of communications, the next communication was as the others
were strange. Uh this was a strange one and they seem to be getting more and more strange as they were getting more
frequent. This time it was a cereal box that was found inside I'm sorry. Inside the cereal box, they found jewelry from
one of his victims and a little doll, like a like a Barbie doll. Mhm. And the Barbie doll had bindings on it, and it
was tied by the neck with a to a little piece of pipe. The the box also contained a note card asking a question.
Had the officers received number seven from the Home Depot parking lot? The answer to that question is they had not.
So, so here's here's what he's doing. Okay, he's kind of he's kind of numbering his communications, right? If
you just like he named himself, now he's numbering his communications. He's not he's not technically numbering them, but
but this would be the seventh communication that they received in 2004. And he's saying, "Wait a second.
Did you receive number seven from the Home Depot parking lot? So, but seven in the same year. Yes. Seven in the same
year. I just want to be clear about that. Right. So, what what I'm getting at is this would be the seventh
communication that they had received. It's the eighth one that he has sent to them. He's asking them, did you get
number seven? Because he knows that sometimes they receive these things and they don't tell anybody. Right. his
whole thing that his his whole his whole ritualistic attitude here is he has to have that broadcasted. He
has to get the notoriety for these communications. He has to see his name in the paper, right? And because he
didn't, he wants to know, well, did you receive that and you're just keeping it quiet or did you not find it? Right?
Well, they had not received this. And the way that this worked out was they go to this Home Depot and they're they're
looking around. They search the store inside and out. They can't find anything from BTK. They can't find any form of
communication. Note, it should be pretty obvious once they find what they're looking for because he almost always
puts the initials BTK on the communications. So, what they do is they get a bunch of the surveillance tape
from the parking lot, from the Home Depot, and on one piece of footage, this was from days before that they spotted
where an SUV had pulled into the almost empty parking lot. This would have been when the store was not open. Mhm.
Parking lot's almost empty. This SUV pulls in. Somebody gets out of the vehicle, walks across a short way across
the parking lot and has some kind of object in their hand and they toss it into the back of a pickup truck, into
the bed of a pickup truck. Mhm. The crazy thing here though, Captain, is the detectives. We have Landware who's been
working this case for almost 20 years. We have all these other detectives that have been hunting this madman. Could you
imagine? They're seeing what they believe to be BTK's vehicle. Could you imagine what's going through their
brains? They Well, they're looking at a shadow, like a a shadow figure of the guy that they know and believe to be
BTK, the guy that they've been hunting all these years. They can they're seeing him, but not his face. Well, what they
end up doing is they have to get the They have no idea what was thrown into the back of that truck or how they're
going to find this thing, right? Well, maybe if they get the license plate number, they could track down the the
vehicle. They couldn't because it was too blurry. Too blurry. Plus, if they could do that, then you would think they
could get BTK's license plate number. True. But think of the risk that he he's Okay, we've covered so many retail cases
lately. Please upgrade your cameras, people. Please. It's ridiculous. Well, what they did, captain, was they were
able to decide that they could determine the approximate size and wheelbase of the vehicle that the suspect was
driving. Mhm. This was interesting because they actually really narrowed it down to a very few models, a very few
vehicles and models. And what they were able to determine was that if in fact this vehicle was not stolen, that he was
driving his own vehicle, let's say, right? He would be one of about 200. He would be one of about
2500 local residents that owned a vehicle matching this description. Oh, let's go knocking on doors, my friend.
Well, that would be an option, but they actually came up with the communication before they would have to take that
route. So, what happened was the manager of the Home Depot put up flyers inside the store asking all of the employees,
"Did you receive anything strange in your vehicle? Did you find anything weird and you don't know what it is? Let
us know." Well, a roommate of a guy that worked there that owned a the um the guy
that worked there owned a pickup truck, right? His roommate had found a cereal box in the back of the dude's pickup
truck. Cinnamon's Host Crunch. It was uh Special K cereal. Oh, that's not a cereal. That's a garbage. He He assumed
that it was trash and he had thrown it away. He assumed, right, cuz that cereal's garbage. I like Special K. Wow.
Now, the trash had not been collected from the home yet. Mhm. So, they were able to retrieve this special case
serial box. This was recovered and inside there were there was a two-page document and on it was a long list of
BTK's projects or what he called his PJs. There there was also a question and this was asking landware. This was
asking Landwear directly if BTK wanted to send a computer disc to them, could they trace it? And he asked them to give
him the answer in the newspaper in the want ads under the miscellaneous section. And if they can't trace it to
put in the message, Rex, it will be okay. Also, they should run the ad for several days so that BTK would not miss
the ad if he were out of town or didn't pick up the paper that day. Please run the ad multiple times for me. This was
weird because now we have Raider wanting to start communicating by sending them floppy disc from computers. And for the
first time, BTK is asking the police a question. This is a dumb question. rather than just kind of telling, you
know, directing the conversation and telling them whatever he wants. When your teacher tells you when they stand
up in the front of the classroom and they say, "Students, there are no dumb questions." You say, "Yes, there is.
When you're a serial killer, you do not ask the cops if they can trace something
or not." The police, they went ahead and ran the ad in the newspaper. Mhm. and their ad read, "Rex, go ahead and send a
floppy." Well, on January of 2005, Dennis Rder became the elected president of council at the Christ Lutheran
Church. Right. On February 16th of that same year, a padded envelope arrived at Ka TV. Inside were more index cards and
a purple computer disc. The disc was turned over to the police analyst. The disc contained one message and the
message said, "This is a test. See note card for further instruction." The note cards said that
any communication going forward from the killer would have a number on it. That way, if one was lost, they would know.
Yeah. Or if somebody else was writing to them pretending to be the BTK, that they
wouldn't get mixed up. It only took the analyst a few more minutes to pull the information that they were searching
for. This revealed that the author of the test message was someone named Dennis and the owner of the computer was
the Christ Lutheran Church. Now, this is going to sound completely crazy for somebody that
you've looked for for 20 years. I mean, and when you factor all involved, you're
talking about this is over a 30-year manhunt for this guy, right? So, what did they do? They did a quick Google
search. And this quick Google search told the officers that Christ Lutheran Church was located in Park City, right?
And that a one Dennis Raider was listed as the church's president. They put surveillance on their subject,
but they didn't jump on him and arrest him right away. They wanted to make sure that they had good solid evidence on
this guy to connect him to BTK before the arrest. Landwear wanted DNA from Raider to tie him to the DNA that was
found at multiple crime scenes where BTK had killed. Right. But how were they going to get Dennis Raider's DNA without
tipping him off? Well, this is this is wild. So, they start doing some digging on Dennis Rder, his background, and his
family. One thing that they discovered is that his daughter Carrie had attended the University of Kansas
State. While she was there, she had been treated or or received some kind of, you
know, checkup or treatment at the health clinic there. Yeah. They took her DNA. Yeah. So, she was no longer she was no
longer a student there. she had graduated before, but they still had things that they believed that they
could pull DNA from. So, they get a court order and they go to the Kansas State University. They find these items.
They get a court order to test them for DNA. And what they discover is that it tested positive, that the DNA that they
tested was the daughter of the killer that they knew to be BTK. Oh, good. Because I just hate this guy.
you know. Yeah. You and I mean you and the rest of the world, right? He's just I hate him. So, the the task force that
we have, they were worried that somehow the media might learn of Dennis Rider before they could arrest him. Mhm. This
was a concern because this had actually happened before. This was when they had they they they had a guy that they liked
as BTK. His name was Roger Valdez and they wanted to get DNA swab from him. He was one of the few people that didn't
really want to comply and give them the DNA swab. And it was because through the
media he had heard that he was considered a prime suspect at the time. So they had a leak somewhere amongst
this task force. They were worried would Dennis Raider would this be leaked to the media and Dennis Rder catch wind of
this. So they're going to have to move a little faster than they wanted to. However, for Raider, what the police
wanted to do was map out precisely and coordinate a plan to simultaneously arrest him, search his home, other key
places, and contact and interview his relatives all at the same time. So, what they did was they organized 215 officers
and agents were assembled to take to take this on. Well, that's a lot of money. A lot of this was mostly for the
searches that were going to be done, right? So now they were going to use Dennis Raider's schedule against him.
Raider was predictable and the detectives knew this from following him over the course of that surveillance.
They knew what time he went to work. They knew what time he came home for lunch every day and so on and so forth.
Now, the police knew that Raider always left his office at 12:15 p.m. and arrived home for lunch to have lunch
with his wife at 12:18 p.m. each day. 3 minutes. As Raider drove onto Frontage Road, this is off of 61st Street in Park
City, an unmarked police car stopped him. There were plenty of guns drawn on him. An officer dragged him out of his
truck. Now, at that point, we the the officers would later say, "At that point, we're dealing with an individual
we believe committed eight homicides." So, we were taking no risk. We we knew that he had used guns before and in
previous crimes. So, they drew guns on this guy. They took no risk. Now, Raider was handcuffed and he was searched.
Moments later, Raider in Landwear, the guy who had been hunting him for 20 years. Wait, did he have one of those
little creepy cards? His little flash cards he made? I wonder if he had one of those on his person at that time. I I
don't know. Was he driving around with a red head? That's interesting if he still
had that hobby at the time. Um, weirdo. But now we have these two individuals. We have the the monster and the guy
that's been hunting the monster for 20 years. They're finally face to face with each other and they're they're saying
hello to one another. They're calling each other mister at this point in the back of the police car. I'm not calling
nobody mister. Police audio taped the arrest from the car um and you and the transport of Raider and took
aerial photographs from a helicopter as well. Right. They stated that he was Dennis Raider was breathing hard during
this time uh as were the officers. And later, Landwear would go on record saying, "I cannot tell you how much fun
it was to finally take this guy down. It was a great day for everyone in law enforcement." Now, Bob Morton, who was a
FBI behavioral analyst, and Detective Landwear, they were the ones that would conduct the initial interview with
Dennis Rider. The idea here, Captain, was that Raider would respond to Landwear because he knew who he was. He
knew him by name. He knew he was active on the BTK case for so long, right? And Bob Morton being from the FBI, well,
this would boost Dennis Raider's ego during the course of the interview. Then the teams of detectives interviewed
Raider about the cases that they had been assigned to. So we have all these murders, all these homicides. We have
other detectives working some of these. Now that we had some detectives during the interviews, the only thing they
spoke to Raider about was his communications with Ka KV, with law enforcement and so on. And the sheriff's
personnel, they approached him about the Marine Hedge and Dolores Davis homicides. Now, you you have to keep in
mind the sheriff's department had to work these two homicides because they took place outside of Witchah City. And
not only that, they were abducted from from another location and then dumped elsewhere. So, how long did they
interview this Creo? Uh, for 32 hours, they interviewed Dennis Raider. And they during that time, they actually
encouraged him to sleep, but he wouldn't. Um, he did nap a couple of times, you know, very briefly, but they
wanted him to get a a good night's sleep, and he did not want to. He wanted to talk. It was about 3 hours and 15
minutes into the initial interview when Raider looked at Bob Morton, the FBI agent, and Morton said to him, "Say who
you are." And Dennis Raider answered, "I'm BTK." Now, Raider's own DNA came back as
a match uh about 12 hours after the start of the interviews, right? He had learned that investigators by this time
had already had his daughter's DNA and had linked that to him and to BTK. And so according to Detective
Landwear at this point, Raider has figured out that he has been put in a corner. and he kind of once that comes
out with the DNA and once he realizes this is what's going on, right? After about 12 or 13 hours into the interview,
he's going to start telling them everything. I mean, everything, right? And to the point that he was even trying
to describe to them the that code. Remember that code that they couldn't figure out? Yeah, the shitty code. Yeah.
He was trying to tell them that the letter that he mailed to the Eagle in 2004, what he had used was German
fractional code that he claimed that he knew from his military background. And remember, they sent it and nobody could
crack it because the code actually made no sense. He he got it wrong when he tried to remember it. Uh and damn
dyslexia getting in the way again. Well, in the interview process, he tried to prove them wrong, trying to recall the
code himself, which he he couldn't. Dimwit. Another interesting thing though here, Captain, was that during the
course of the interview, Raider repeatedly tapped on the disc, on the computer disc. They put it on the
interview table and they just kind of set it there right in front of him. Okay. And he tapped on it. Well, he
would tap on it and throughout the course of the interview and at some point he looked at the officers,
Landwear in particular, and he asked him, "Why did you lie to me?" And Landwear said, "Because I'm trying to
catch you." Yeah. Why wouldn't I lie to you? I'm trying to catch you. Yeah, you killed people, you son of a [ __ ] Yeah,
we're going to lie to you. Well, I think see that's what what's weird though is that okay, so something psychological
had taken over with Dennis Rder and this was actually something that the FBI had
recommended that the police do a long time ago in their investigation. What they had recommended is that they create
the persona of some kind of super cop. All right? So that Dennis Rder would identify the the investigation into him
and to his killings through one person and one person only. That he could he could take this this detective and he
could put him on a pedestal in his mind. He's now this super cop that is a worthy
adversary of his hunting him. Somebody that is his equal. Mhm. And through over the throughout the course of many years
of looking at that one person and having this person that he considered to be an
equal, he let his guard down to the point where he then believed that he could trust him, that that his equal
would be honest with him and that the game of cat and mouse would continue forever. Well, that wasn't going to be
the case, obviously. Right. Right. And the FBI did say that they believed with somebody, and they always believe this
usually when a killer is willing to communicate multiple times with the media or law enforcement, is that
usually they will lead them to they will lead law enforcement to themselves. They
will get themselves caught because their ego and because of their need to make these communications.
Now, Raider did voice concern about how his arrest would affect his family, his church, and the city of Park
City. When teams of investigators told Raiders's wife and his grown son and daughter about his arrest, they were in
disbelief. They had no idea that their husband or father was this monster. Mhm. Um they
did they did exactly like they said they were planning to do. Remember we said that they brought in 215 officers
because they wanted to search his all at the same time. They wanted to arrest him, search his home, interview his
relatives and and they did that. And some of them didn't even live in Witchah, Kansas. So what they did was
they distributed officers out to those locations. They sat there and waited. And at at that specific time between
12:15 and 12:18 on that day, those officers were to go and bust into the home, knock on the door, do what you got
to do. You need to be in these locations all at the same time. On March 1st, 2005, Raiders bail was set at $10
million and a public defender was appointed to represent him. On May 3rd, the judge entered a not-uilty plea on
Raiders's behalf as Raider did not speak at his arraignment. However, on June 27th, the which was the scheduled trial
date. Yeah. Dennis Rider changed his plea to guilty. Um the thought here was that he would save his family some
anguish and shame of of going through the details of the crime. that was not to be because he was forced to describe
the murders in detail during uh he was he was ordered to give a full confession basically right now could there be some
murders out there that he didn't confess to for some reason possible it's possible I doubt it like you said
earlier it seems to be that he wants the credit let's say that's a terrible word
but that's what he wants he wants the credit for his actions and for what he thinks to be some kind of career
or some kind of great work that he believes that he did. Now, during the and I'm sure some people have seen this
by now. You can actually find the full confession online. I believe it's like 48 minutes long. It's awful. It's very
tough to listen to because he doesn't seem like he gives a [ __ ] He seems like he's kind of giving the weather report
to somebody when he talks about these crimes. One thing that I know that really sickened the family, his his
direct family, especially his daughter, was that one, they they they didn't believe he was guilty until they, you
know, the next day when they found out, well, he confessed to police, they're like the DNA matches, right? Well,
they're like, crap. You know, that he did really do this. And then once he's in court, when he's going over the
description of these murders, Mhm. A lot of people thought that he may have purposely droned on about the murders of
the two children. You know, most of his victims were adults and a lot of people seem to think that he hovered around
that a little longer than necessary. Maybe he took some kind of pleasure in talking about those specific murders out
of the whole group. Yeah. Yeah. So he offered no apologies during the course of this confession and at Dennis
Raider's August 18th sentencing victim's families made their statements after which Raider did apologize in a rambling
30inute monologue. Dennis Rder was sentenced to 10 consecutive life sentences with a minimum of 175 years to
be served. Kansas had no death penalty at the time of the murders that he committed. So he is in solitary
confinement with one hour of exercise per day and gets to shower three times per week. And guess what that makes him?
What? One stinky piece of [Music] [ __ ] Thanks for listening. Thanks for telling a friend. Thank you for sharing
on social media. We would be nothing without you. We'll be here back in the garage next week and we want to see all
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BTK /// Bind, Torture, Kill /// Part 4

Released: 5-1-2018

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January 1974 - Wichita, Kansas - After years of fantasizing a killer emerges from the shadows and announces himself to the world. A dark haired man slipped into the home of the Otero's one morning as the children prepared for school. He murdered all four people inside the home. Later that same year he would attack and kill again before vanishing into hibernation. After many requests we have decided to take an in depth look into the dark, disturbing life and mind of Dennis Rader. Driven by what he called Factor X, Dennis was better known as the BTK. Beer of the Week - Demon Dweller by Green Man BreweryGarage Grade - 3 and 3 quarter bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

Dennis Rader, the BTK killer, is discussed from his crimes to capture and trial, revealing his disturbing methods and communications with police.

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The BTK Story. A chilling look into the mind of a serial killer with a twisted autobiography.
Dolores D. Davis's Tragic Fate. The story of Dolores, a victim of BTK, unfolds with harrowing details.
The Investigation Heats Up. Police receive over 1,000 tips after BTK's return, reigniting the hunt.
BTK's Disturbing Communication. A letter from BTK reveals his manipulative nature and chilling intentions.
BTK's Communication Errors. BTK's communications were riddled with misspellings, raising questions about his intelligence or intent.

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