Boys on the Tracks /// Part 4 /// 96 | Forensic Files

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this thing here Captain I want to go through a few notes regarding well let's call them updates regarding some of the
characters that we have spoke of yesterday and last week you know we did Cover a lot of ground over the last
three shows a lot to talk about with the boys on the tracks here and yesterday you know with all those mysterious
deaths and missed dealings going on we're kind of a little bit all over the place but we had to do them in an order
that made sense to us as far as the way these people were dying and when they were dying off but yesterday we did fail
to mention that one more of the eyewitnesses the night that the boys were on the tracks is dead as well this
is Tom Newhouse uh he was the guy remember the boy that was in the bushes he was out with friends claimed that he
was looking for marijuana on a plants and happen to see teenagers on the tracks with several men one of those men
he identified as Dan Harmon and he knew Dan Harmon because Dan Harmon at one time had dated his mother so very
obvious that he would be able to identify him well he one thing that we didn't talk about you know because he
didn't come forward until 1993. and there there are some questions you know how legit is this story you know he
comes forward six years after the fact well when he comes forward with this story now at the time the local
investigators didn't put a whole lot of weight into his story so the FBI brings in Tom Newhouse and they so they conduct
two lie detector tests with him and he passes both of them to the point where they want to put him in the witness
protection program and they actually do so and that's why you find that when you
look early back in this case and you're trying to investigate what's going on his name is actually not not submitted
in a lot of those reports because he was in the witness protection program at some point he decides that he no longer
wants to participate in that program but he stands by what he saw that night in his account of what he saw that night
unfortunately I he's currently deceased and I I'm not aware I couldn't figure out how he died I'm guessing it might be
natural causes because obviously with all these other mysterious deaths we have some reporting on those situations
let's discuss some of the key characters that weren't murdered uh well we have Charlene Wilson remember we had said
she's the eyewitness to Harmon being at the tracks as well remember we said she was locked up this was probably a method
to hush her up the details of that are she was convicted of a first-time drug offense and because she was prosecuted
by Dan Harmon she received a 31-year sentence which absolutely seems very ridiculous to me for a first-time drug
offense but anyway in 1999 Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee he ended up reducing her sentence which did make her
eligible for parole which she was then granted so she's she's since been out of prison for that extremely long sentence
that she received from Dan Harmon so he corrected the situation as best that they could as for Public
Enemy Number One Dan Harmon in June 1st of 1997 the former prosecuting attorney Dan Harmon was found guilty of five of
eleven federal felony charges including rackets hearing by he he used his office
to get drugs and money so this is one racketeering conviction as well as a guilt as guilty verdicts on three counts
of extortion and one count of possession with the intent to distribute marijuana
and just quickly I mean this this is key evidence to back up everything that most
people are speculating about this boys on the track case yeah and and to further that thought the Ives family in
the Henry family they both said that they've kind of reduced themselves to believing that they're never really
going to get Justice for their sons yeah which is sad but but they believe that Dan Harmon being convicted of other
nefarious activity that this kind of it vindicates them a little bit and it for them it at least backs up their beliefs
and all their hard work that they've done trying to push their son's cases going forward because he ended up going
to jail for a couple years and then he was released and then he actually went back to jail well so so on that first
charge on that first bound of charges he got I believe a 10-year sentence on those charges uh but you're right he he
serves his jail time he gets released and then a few years after that he does get arrested again in February 19
2010 he was arrested on felony drug charges but we do have to be fair here Captain the state's case in this
situation was pretty weak this was really a he said she said type of case looking for a conviction strictly where
your only evidence is the testimony of an admitted drug addict uh she claimed that she had bought drugs from Dan
Carmen he was acquitted of those charges by a jury of his peers well it seems like there's a little more to that story
do you want to hear some of the details regarding those indictments against Dan Harmon from the first battle charges
because I don't mind spending a couple minutes to rub his face in the mud a little bit here uh according to one
indictment uh Deval and Harman uh Deval was his wife at the time they had broke into the task force evidence locker and
stole cocaine uh so that was that's one of the details there uh and another one of the acts listed as retaliation
against a witness this deals oh really yeah this deals with Harmon's May 1996 assault on Arkansas Democrat Gazette
Benton bureau chief Rodney Bowers right so Bowers is basically a reporter and he's reporting all the bad [ __ ] that
Harmon's doing and then it pisses Harmon off so he attacks him yeah yeah he goes
up to harm and trying to get a comment for an article in Harmon physically attacks the reporter right and we've
we've heard this multiple times with these investigators claiming hey we started digging into some stuff with you
know Don Henry's case and uh Kevin Ives case and right when we started doing that
guess who starts making threats I mean Dan Harmon was a I believe a Coke head and a and a real real douchebag well in
another incident described in the indictment a woman named Tina Davis traveled to Arkansas from Indiana to
deliver ten thousand dollars to her husband who had been arrested in Saline County on marijuana charges when she
arrived the indictment says Harman advised Davis that her husband would not be released unless she went and got more
money the husband was then later released for ten thousand dollars and the couple was forced to sign a
disclaimer saying that the two had been arrested with the money in hand and they
had no claim to it I mean that that stuff is just so shady well in another extortion case an indictment alleges
that Harman took money for releasing defendants from custody or reducing the the charges that they faced in state
drug cases I think I think the Arkansas times summed it up the best when they they had
this and end quote it is hard to imagine how much damage Dan Harmon did during the years he held off as his prosecutor
cases that should have been prosecuted were not cases that should not have been prosecuted no doubt were I think they
summed it up best well so we have Harmon which like I said is a douchebag but now
we have his partner Garrett yes his sidekick Richard Garrett the attorney that pushed for Harmon to become the
special appointed prosecutor well some years after the Kevin Ives and Don Henry murders Garrett sold his home and he
moved away well sometime after the new homeowner had been living there for some time he discovered a secret room in the
basement that contained what he believed to be a drug lab the new homeowner reported this to the local sheriff's
office and he was told to take the items to the local dump and just get rid of them he explains to the sheriff that he
didn't want to have these items in his vehicle and potentially get pulled over with you know drug related items in his
car and so the Sheriff's Office offered to escort him to the the dump to get rid
of these things now at the time that homeowner was unaware of who the previous homeowner was right you know he
didn't know about the murder case he wasn't from around there and he didn't know Richard Garrett's involvement in
this actual case I haven't heard from this guy in a while I mean I call I write he never returns my calls
uh what's going on with my good buddy Fami well yeah Fami Malek the medical examiner that deserves to have been
locked up in my opinion they should have shot him in the kneecaps but instead in
1991 Dr Malik was promoted he got a new job congratulations good for you and he was promoted to become a consultant for
the Arkansas Health Department so apparently when you're just horrible at your job and you you lie and perjure
yourself in Trials then I guess you can just uh get promoted time and time again
so one needs to start asking themselves a question how does all this stuff go down in such a small County in Arkansas
right well this is all connected to an airport yes yeah so let's talk about a small place in Western Arkansas called
Mina it's about 160 miles west of Little Rock it's a tiny town that has been the
Locale for persistent reports of drug smuggling gun running and money laundering there's been a number of
allegations that have been made about the use of mina which is the Intermountain municipal airport as a CIA
drop point and large-scale cocaine trafficking this beginning in the 1980s several local state and federal
investigations have taken place in relation to these allegations yeah and a lot of people believe that these
operations were set up by the Reagan Administration yeah the topic has received some press coverage and these
include allegations of awareness participation or maybe even a cover-up involving prominent figures such as
Ronald Reagan Bill Clinton George H.W bush and of course Saline County prosecutor Dan Harmon this is where
another name comes the light Barry seal yes Barry seal was a name that we mentioned yesterday he was a gun Runner
drug trafficker and covert CIA operative he was murdered in a hail of bullets by
the Medellin cartel Hitman outside of a Salvation Army shelter in Baton Rouge Louisiana
a lot of the stuff that started in Mina started in the 80s this was when seal based his aircraft at Mina's
Intermountain Regional Airport seal was employed by the Medellin cartel as a pilot and Drug Smuggler he
transported numerous shipments of cocaine from Colombia to the United States and earned a good deal of coin
doing so after successful runs into his home base in Louisiana he moved operations to the infamous airport
facility in Mina Arkansas there he bought sold and operated mini airplanes this included the c-123 transport plane
supplied to him by the U.S drug enforcement enforcement agency right so let's get this straight he's working for
the CIA he's also working for a drug cartel yes so he's playing both sides of the fence yeah he's doing double duty
and and I tell you what we you know you can look into this thing it this is this
portion of of what's going on in Arkansas is very cumbersome it's extremely cumbersome if you if you
there's things out there that you can watch you can listen you can read about uh it's pretty well reported Eva even
though a lot of people say I've never heard of this but like we said yesterday people in Arkansas have known about this
for 30 years right it's come up it came up in the late 80s quite a bit in the national news and it
came up again in the early 90s this would be when Clinton was taking over moving into the White House
but both times it comes up in the national news it kind of quickly dies down and attention is diverted elsewhere
to other scandals and other other news that's receiving more attention at the time which normally happens when our
government's involved yeah so you know I think I think the thing here is we can we can break down the generalization of
what was going on so so this guy Barry seal is he's running drugs he's flying drugs into the U.S and making a whole
bunch of money doing so right he gets busted okay they catch on to what he's doing and he goes to the DEA into this
CIA and says look you know I've been doing this successful for quite some time how about I turn on
some of these people that I'm working for I'll testify against them and I could I could go to work for you guys
right and they're like okay cool you know and they go to the judge and they basically say look he's willing to work
with us he's willing to work with the federal government and help us in some things that we need help with so they
reduce his sentence and eventually he does go to work for these people and now you know there are people out there that
are going to say no he never worked for them well I can tell you this that after
he died the IRS went after a lot of money they believe he had right they wanted listen to this number they wanted
to charge him 86 million dollars in back taxes yes that's a that's a that's a whole that's a whole lot of Rolling
Papers that's a lot of drugs he was transporting yeah somebody estimated that he may have moved anywhere between
three and five billion dollars of cocaine into this country well basically he was the drug version of Frank
Abagnale and for those who don't know how Frank abineale is they might have seen the movie Catch Me If You Can
there's a guy that was doing a bunch of bank fraud and instead of just you know sending them to jail there said hey why
don't you come work for us you'll be basically on I think lifetime probation basically right so what happens here is
the that's Frank Abagnale not abinale so after he's busted he's now working for the CIA and the CIA wants to there's a
there's a civil war going on in Central America at the time and basically our government figured out that okay
team a is the good guys and Team B is the bad guys so we want to help team a win this Civil War because it will
benefit us well our Congress and the Americans right now hold on but that doesn't make them the good team it just
makes the team that we're going to use no no no I'm just saying what the thinking was at the time it's not
definitive who was the good guy or the bad guy what I'm saying is that our Congress and the American people said no
we're not going to get involved in this we're not going to help either side well
basically our government said you know what we're gonna we're gonna pull in the interest of National Security right
we're going to help this one side anyway and so they are running guns and running
parts of guns to this country and they employ somebody like Barry seal to do so because he has this big plane that he's
running out of the Mina airport and he's this is a c123 it basically looks like an army cargo plane you know one of
those big heavy planes now he had made modifications to the planes that he was running so that he could travel extended
distances without stopping for more fuel he's basically rigging up these planes right which is not cheap to do so I'll
tell you that the thing is here he I kind of found this funny he nicknamed his plane the fat lady
so he was basically flying guns to or parts of guns to Nicaragua and well he has to fly back home right but why would
you why waste the whole empty plane they don't want to have a big empty plane when you're flying all the way back home
on the government's dime do you right so so he's taken the free ride back and he's loading up the plane with drugs and
bringing them back into the country and making a whole bunch of money Barry seal was not the only guy doing
this there were other people doing this there were other people that were working for the CIA in the Mina area
doing different things regarding uh CI CIA operations right that were kept on the lowdown now it's been reported by by
at least one pilot that he believed that there were multiple Pilots that were not
bringing back empty planes into the United States and they were bringing drugs into these states yeah it seems
like these Pilots saw an opportunity and they took it to make a little extra cash
yeah you have I mean you have some people saying that we we the US government may have been trading guns
for drugs uh you know there's certainly been investigations that have brought forth some speculation of such I I can't
say that I saw enough evidence out there to say that that's what was going on um but I what I think here is probably
more like likely is that you had a few people taking advantage of a situation and trying to make themselves
millionaires out of something that they were doing for the government yeah and oddly enough this is the time in history
where the Reagan Administration has gone it's It's A War on Drugs right and but but our government is the one bringing
the drugs into the country possibly if you believe the speculation this whole thing of course you know anytime you
have these controversies or things that are brought to light that's going on that we may not be aware of or we're
told is not happening you know of course this does always create a lot of finger
pointing so in this situation you have the Republicans pointing toward Bill Clinton and saying you know what this
happened at a facility in your jurisdiction uh how could you let this happen you're a terrible terrible person
and then you have the Democrats saying the same about the Republicans going you know what well this happened during the
Reagan Administration right and it was the this operation by the CIA CIA was the brainchild of George Bush and so
therefore the Republicans are horrible people in the end you know that finger pointing
doesn't go anywhere it doesn't do anything to solve the actual problem furthermore you we had investigations
going down regarding this situation the problem was that these investigations couldn't get anywhere because when they
try to approach it from the federal level well the federal government basically said it's an Arkansas problem
and then when you try to go to the state level and present it to the governor to
to Bill Clinton then he says no this is a federal case you know so it's not only
is there finger pointing both ways as far as uh as far as different politics goes but also passing the blame at the
end of the day well and I called Bill Clinton yesterday I called it I I don't know if I called him a [ __ ] stain but
there there's a lot look a lot of my feelings towards him are based on other information about other cases that I've
researched so that's why I believe he's a [ __ ] stain um and as far as the Reagan and the War
on Drugs it wasn't a War on Drugs it was a war on inner city black people is what
it was and that's all I got to say about that well it this sounds like a lot of stuff that you know that we're just kind
of throwing out there but that's not the case at all uh you know like I said there's been investigations done on this
there were several uh newspapers and magazines covering this in the 80s and the early 90s it didn't really go
anywhere but we know how these things kind of get swept under the rug the situation here though is you know we
know that Barry seal was by his own admissions was was bringing drugs into the country he he even kind of bragged
about how much money he was making doing this and I want to say this is this is going to sound a little weird but Barry
seal I don't I don't know if if many people know who he is but there are you can find interviews and things with him
on on the internet he's he to me he's one of those guys you know when you when you're watching a movie and there's like
for some reason there's a villain that you're kind of like secretly pulling for a little bit you
know I mean like you kind of like the villain a little bit um I I think Barry seal was a bad dude I
think he he took advantage of a lot of people in a lot of situations um I think he did it solely for uh for
financial reasons right uh the thing is though he's one of these kind of charismatic guys you know there's a
there's an interview he was doing where he's talking about himself and he says you know you know I grew up in Baton
Rouge and maybe for a lot of people uh an exciting life for them is is working nine to five going to the the LSU
football game on Saturday night and then waking up going to church on Sunday maybe that works for other people he
says you know that's not exciting to me he's exciting to me is putting myself in
potentially life-threatening situations over and over again well but we know Captain you know sometimes people go
into the field of being a pilot because they enjoy the adrenaline of it they're Adrenaline Junkies right but become a
firefighter become a police officer become a soldier become a Navy SEAL and do something productive with your life
but what you were my friend was somebody that was greedy about money and you decided to take advantage of the system
on both sides of the fence and then you're running drugs and how many murders took place because of those
drugs right you're exactly and so yeah so you my friend are a [ __ ] stain well and the thing with seal here is we know
that this happened and I can point to why we know that it happened because remember we talked about the CIA
investigation I'm sorry the IRS investigation into Barry seal wanting to charge him after he died for all these
back taxes well the CIA and the DEA did come forward to the IRS and said you know what well you can't charge him for
these blocks of time because he was working for us during that time right so so you can't charge him for back taxes
regarding that okay so what does all this mean well here's what it means is that not far from where the boys were
right let's get back to the boys not far from them is is this Mena airport where
drugs were coming into drugs and guns were coming into and the reports of planes stopping short of the airport
landing by the train tracks making drops that all happened with Dan Harmon what happens with Dan Harmon oh he's not
selling drugs running drugs so all that part of the story is true so if you believe so if you didn't believe that
part there's your proof on top of that so we know why the boys we don't know why the boys were out there whether they
were hunting whether they're trying to spy maybe they were trying to intercept the drugs we're not for sure
but we do know that they're out there at the same time that a drug drop was happening so we know that is true and if
we believe that to be true then we believe that these boys were murdered they were put on the tracks all these
eyewitnesses that saw things and talked then were killed to cover this up that's what we know that's the right
well in the thing furthermore on that point is that you have to have boots on the ground in this type of operation so
you got Barry seal bringing drugs into the country you have another pilot that was working for the CIA saying that he
believed that multiple Pilots were doing this that Barry seal was the kind of the
big fish he was the fat lady like he named his airplane right and so the thing is you have to have boots on the
ground because you can bring drugs into this country it doesn't get you anywhere
financially unless you can sell them to somebody and once you sell them to somebody then you have to launder that
money so now you have all these little local corruptive things going on at the same time all right so I think we're to
the point where we should just really kind of dive into our thoughts and feelings on this matter and let's do
that right after this quick foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] welcome back to True Crime gear Ridge
okay now Captain we need to put our thoughts on what actually happened that night 1987 in Bryant Arkansas well I
just want to First say hey thanks to all the listeners right because this is a you know four-parter it's a whale of a
case probably the biggest case that we've done um just with the many airport stuff we
probably Coulda just with that whole drug running and gun running conspiracy we probably could have went on for four
hours about that me and you are not super fascinated by that portion of this case no I'm not gonna lie doing the
research on the Mena portion of this and we would be remiss if we didn't bring it
up because it's certainly part of this case at some part right right but the the problem here is
it it was a cumbersome portion of the investigation in this case it's it's huge you could spend weeks some people
have spent years trying to figure out that whole situation uh I found it to be the research portion of that to be
rather boring to to be completely honest with you and I think our main thing was
you know when you have a seven you know 16 and 17 year old uh teenage boys uh we
can relate to that and be in those age and being males ourselves and to want to kind of explore what the heck's going on
and I think that's the part that we were more fascinated with yeah so now uh Garage Thoughts with your host Nick and
the captain yeah with Jack Handy uh how about you start so we get the good intelligent stuff first okay because you
know my stuff will probably not make well that's 70 that's setting the bar a little high but I think you hit the nail
on the head there Captain so this this case for us was about Don Henry and Kevin knives about those two boys being
murdered and then it being called an accident you know this case I didn't know anything about the Mena portion of
this case to be honest with you until several months ago now I knew about the boys on the tracks case from way back
when when we were kids they they featured this case on Unsolved Mysteries I believe it was in the first season
maybe the second but it was a it was it was ages ago and that's streaming now somewhere a lot of the listeners were
saying you got to check this out it's like hey if you listen to the show we're big fans of you know Unsolved Mysteries
we've seen it well and there's some things that they talk about I went back and watched that episode and there's
some things that they talked about in there that we didn't really address yet there was some leads at the time of a um
a man in camouflage fatigues actually well let me let me get this right because there's a couple different
stories here there's one story of a man wearing a camouflage jacket having shot at police there's another story that's
almost identical with the exception of they say in military fatigues which to me camouflage jacket military fatigues
means a very different uh uniform or outfit that this person was wearing now the thing here is I I when looking into
this case you gotta follow the leads that was that might have been a lead back then it's not a current lead today
because we know of all these other confessions of all these eyewitness statements that have come out after the
fact the thing here is Captain I I want to kind of talk about this in a sense that it is
I'm going to use the trickle-down effect okay because what I think really happened here as far as Mena is
concerned is that we we have a situation where yes our government was probably doing some stuff that wasn't all on the
up and up were they trading guns for drugs I'm not willing to 100 agree with that I saw more evidence of these these
people doing this on their own these Pilots doing this on their own where they were taking advantage of a
situation now we brought up Barry seal now the thing here is Barry seal was he was murdered and dead before Kevin Ives
and Don Henry were killed that night he was killed about a year beforehand why do we bring him up because we know he
admittedly came forward and said this is what I'm doing you know and we so we if
we believe Barry seal this is absolutely going on and this is absolutely happening now I believe that they were
running lots of drugs into the Arkansas area using these airplanes and the thing
here is like I said before you have to have boots on the ground you can't turn that drugs into money without somebody
on the ground selling it and distributing that that product for you the problem here is the trickle-down
effect when you when you have people at a high level maybe doing some things that aren't completely on the up and up
you know when you set out to do something that that might not be 100 percent right
sometimes you find yourself then doing other things that you never set out to do that are completely wrong too to
cover up that first misdeed and I think that we see a situation here where that started at the top and it worked its way
into a very bad area and the thing regarding Reagan regarding Bush or Clinton do I think that they had some
involvement in this yes yes I do I think that they this was an operation that they were aware of I don't believe I
want to not believe that they were fully aware of all the drugs that were coming
into the the country as a result of what they were doing um the thing here is though you have to
have people in somewhat of power you can't have a bunch of thugs on the ground moving this product for you they
had to have some kind of security in doing what they were doing these are barry seal is not just going to go out
and do something like this people that are cohorting with him are not just going to go out and do something like
this and then put millions of dollars of drugs into the hands of street thugs it's just not going to happen and I
think what we had here Captain is that we have Dan Harmon somebody that that was a person that carried a certain
amount of power he had a certain amount of Leverage on everybody some of that was because of positions that he held
within the county some of that was because he was dealing drugs at a high level to these other people and you know
I I once had a man tell me that that sometimes in some situations law enforcement is nothing but a bunch of
thugs or a bunch of gangsters with a badge and I think in this situation we see that we see that with the two
officers that we spoke of Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane I think that they were Dan Harmon's bodyguards they were his muscle
because they could use their toughness as not just their toughness in Brute Force but their toughness because they
carry a badge in their Authority and they misuse their Authority the same way that Dan Harmon did right and we support
fully support law enforcement that believes in the oath of Serve and Protect yes and I think what happened
here Captain I think we have a situation Dan Harmon as I said I believe he's he's
no better than your average Street Thug he's probably even worse because he has the authority to cover things up and do
unspeakable things and get away with them the thing here is I I peg him as a drug user I peg him as a hardcore drug
user that probably used drugs with other people in power in the area and at some
point he realized you know what I can turn this little this little fun drug thing that I got going on I can turn
this into a business and I have the authority to do so and he recruited these officers to get his back and what
happened was we have a we yes I believe there was a drug drop I believe that Dan
Harmon was there to get that drug drop now the thing here is do we do we have a situation where you know there was rumor
maybe Kevin Ives and Don Henry were were you know privy to this information and that they went out there and had
possibly stolen a previous drop and intended to steal an additional drop and that Dan Harmon and his goons were out
there that night to keep an eye on their product and they were going to use whatever Force necessary if they caught
who they believed was was stealing their drugs now the thing here is when you're
doing bad things and you're doing Shady things you're working with other Shady characters there's a good chance I don't
believe Kevin Ives and Don Henry went and stole that drug drop I don't think so I don't even think it was their
intention to go out that night and steal whatever was being dropped from the sky
I think you have a situation where you got a bunch of bad people working together doing bad things that are
illegal you can't report this all my drugs came up missing Who you gonna go and tell that to nobody cares the thing
here is you could have had a guy you could have had a pilot in the plane that said yeah dude yeah Harmon I made that
drop what you didn't pick that up that's your fault right he could have just kept
the damn drugs himself or you could have Harman who who got the drugs and said you know what this [ __ ] was stolen from
me I I can't pay it up I can't pay up to you because I didn't have the product to
sell yet yeah he went out and sold the product anyway we know these things happen on a daily basis on a much
smaller level we'd be foolish to think that they don't happen at a high level I think that the boys were aware that
something was going on I don't think they had a full understanding of what it is right I think that they were
teenagers being teenagers I think that they were curious about what was going on whiskers and I believe Don Henry felt
very comfortable in those woods I I feel like he often went out at night with his
parents permission out on these night hunting trips sometimes by himself and he probably told his buddy you know
because they're at the age where they're discovering drugs we know that they were
smoking some marijuana they didn't smoke 20 joints right they it's it's actually
estimated that they smoked more like one to two maybe even three at a stretch they were found with marijuana in their
pockets so they were they were open to this whole new scene that they're discovering in their in their Hometown
and I think they were curious as to what was going on I don't think they were going around the week of looking for
cocaine or looking to be calm cocaine dealers I think that that's all kind of just things that coincidence it's just
happenstance there might be rumors I think they were out looking for marijuana I think it was a very innocent
thing that they were out doing and they stumbled across the wrong people I wouldn't be surprised if Dan Harmon
believed that these boys ripped him off or even even pushed that aside now these
boys are witness to something and maybe he thinks they were out there trying to steal his drugs and I think that his
goons Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane I don't think that they ever agreed to help move
drugs or or be The Bodyguard for Dan Harmon with the intention that they thought at some point they would be
killing people I think that they chase down these boys I think it got out of hand they used they used brute force on
these on these poor kids and unfortunately the kids probably fought back these guys guys don't strike me as
the type that would not defend themselves and I think it got out of hand very fast and I think one of them
died and I think I think Kevin Ives probably died first and they may have killed the other boy
simply to cover that up because at some point right this you know when you set out to do something bad and just to make
a little bit of money and you think it's all going to be good it's this is a victimless crime it's going to hurt
nobody I know people that want drugs I know how to get drugs I can make money and make these people happy at the same
time this isn't going to get out of hand no one day you wake up and you realize that you're up to your eyeballs in this
[ __ ] and you freak out and something bad happens and I think that's what happened that night now to further this
though they went above and beyond to cover this up why because there happened to be so many people that actually knew
the truth about what had happened that night that this thing got out of hand these boys were killed they were thrown
on the tracks there were people that witnessed it there were people that told other people what they had seen what
they had heard there are people involved involved in the drug trade in the local
area I think this was the thing that started off bad in some missed dealings at the very top and it trickled down and
the further it got down it got darker deeper a little more evil to the point where it got out of hand
so most of this blame lies with Dan Harmon in his goons in my opinion these were the truly evil people involved in
this situation the unfortunate and well unfortunate is not the right word the the extremely disappointing portion of
this for me is that I do believe that there are higher members of society at higher levels in the Arkansas area that
probably turned a blind eye to this thing they kind of looked the other way and they didn't want to believe that
something terrible was going on and and by doing nothing ultimately in my eyes they did something wrong I think this
Fami Malik guy is a terrible dude I think I think that he held up very bad I think he was a guy that held a high
position that didn't have people monitoring what he was doing or second guessing what he was doing I think he
was not qualified for that position to start off with and that that he made some fumblings and screwed some things
up and he started covering for himself and he woke up one day and he was he was eyeballs deep in this situation too and
then at some point he was either able to be bought off with either money or fear
and I think that he lied about a lot of things which ultimately made investigations go nowhere we're in a
situation here where it's been it it will be 30 years come this August that those two boys were murdered and you
know what I don't think that we're going to see any justice for those two boys I
do like that the families feel somewhat Vindicated because Dan Harmon did serve some time
um there are some other people that were probably involved in this that are no longer around we're not going to see any
justice though for those two boys and that's an unfortunate situation when is that your final thoughts uh yeah those
are my final thoughts on what I think happened uh my recommendation to the listeners out there if this is something
that they want to dive more into there there there's a lot of things like we said this is a huge case I'd recommend
though researching the two incidences separately you know I think there's enough of of things that you can
read into regarding the boys on the tracks I think that there's enough stuff that you could dive into regarding the
Mena airport at the same time I wouldn't recommend looking into both of them at the same time because it's just too much
yeah it's definitely a case that I looking back on now we did four parts but it would have been amazing series
all right Captain Garage Thoughts we're your host the captain yeah I don't know if we should allow me
to speak every episode uh let's just you want to start at the top yes we'll just
start I started at the top look I and and look I've said it a million times it's not a political show I'm not left
or right I am normally wrong he always says that right before he gets political right uh start with Reagan I think there
was drug running I think there was gun running I think our government's normally involved in [ __ ] we shouldn't
be we should mind our own goddamn business sometimes I think because of the drug smuggling that was coming in
then they started this stupid thing called War on Drugs which was actually a war on uh inner city Black America
and if you think I'm just talking on my ass do some damn research on it and then
get back with me and then tell me I'm wrong and I actually think that there's there's actually evidence of Reagan
saying hey you know we thought the war on drug was going to be great we didn't know it was just going to give slaps on
the wrist to Middle America you know White America and that it was going to screw up black families for Generation
to generation so uh shameful Reagan for that but we all make mistakes I think a lot of the stuff he did was good
um it was never a big fan of George Bush uh I thought he had some weird agendas then let's go to Clinton I think some of
the research that I've seen on him and this whole pedophile stuff which is a whole separate case is very shameful I
think he's a [ __ ] stain uh I think he's very you know self-centered how much greed can he have how much power can he
have and I think he's done some shady [ __ ] as far as this case goes I don't think
Reagan knew anything about it no I don't think I don't even think Bill actually knew a bunch about it now
I think he knew that there was drugs coming in to Mena airport but but I think he knew that was coming from the
government so how much is he supposed to say and I and I know that the government
probably knew that there was probably some drug running on the side and we just can't do much about that because
we're doing some shady [ __ ] so I believe like you said at some point these these
uh Pilots had this opportunity we can make a little extra money but now we got to figure out places to drop
just so happened that this airport was close to this town and there was some dude there you know named Dan Harmon
that's a bad bad hombre right and that's what happened it got mixed up and I don't I don't think look I don't know if
the boys were going out there to to steal drugs I mean I've done some stupid [ __ ] when I was 16 and 17 years old I
had some stupid ideas right so I want to put it past them but even if they were you shouldn't end up dead right you know
you're 16 and 17 year old kid did they fight back hopefully because look at some point you know if an officer is
using his powers for bad at some point defend yourself and I think that's probably what happened the other thing
that the only question that I have about that is what if one of those boys was wearing
camo what if one of those boys fired at officer hmm they had a gun we know that but either way I think what it came down
to was those boys were dead before they were on the tracks and they put him on the tracks to cover
it up and then anybody that knew anything about it they they murdered and because they paid off this guy and again
I think if you're paying off Fami right well then Fami you're a [ __ ] stain and I
hope you get an ulcer and I hope your head [ __ ] pops off and goes right up your ass
that's what I hope happens uh and then I hope that your dog crawls up your ass and eats your head that's what I hope
happens if you did all this stuff out of fear then then my hat goes off to you because I
don't know what I'd do in that situation all right there's people around you dying left and right mysterious deaths
he had the ability to do something about that though you know he he absolutely did have the ability to do something
about that would it what it had caused his own own demise possibly right uh maybe even likely one
could say um well right but it's hard to sit there and say you know yeah I mean well it's actually
easy to sit there and say you know what I'll do the right thing right you know if people were dying around me I don't
give a [ __ ] I'll do the right thing it's like meh maybe you would I'd like to think I would but I have never been
around a situation where people were dying left and right but you know what if I did die they
would have to bring in another corner and he might not be able to get paid off and they might not be able to do
anything about it on that point but there was all these checks and balances and I think because Dan Harmon
had his hands in everybody's Pockets you know playing away game of pocket pull that that's why all this stuff got
covered up and I think because of the government running drugs and because of I believe Bill Clinton there's enough
evidence that proves that Bill Clinton you know it's the 80s a lot of people of power were doing cocaine and so I think
because of the government running drugs in and out of Mena Airport their hands are almost tied where they
can't they can't even go after the scumbag Dan Harmon because what does that do to you I mean yeah they put him in
jail and stuff but you gotta go after him for murder because that's what happened there's two boys that are dead
16 and 17 years old not they never got to the point where they're old enough to vote for you know the left or the right
they don't have that right they didn't they didn't make it to the age where they could drink a couple beers in the
garage and talk about some crime they they never made it to that point and their families never got to see them
get to that point because of what because of some some douchebags that wanted to make a couple
extra bucks because they got into normally when you get into a political power and a
political system you're there to serve right that's your job yeah but all these people the the paycheck was too small I
don't want to just serve it's about me it's about me you know in this country you know on a side rant we're all
becoming a little too much me me me me and I think it's [ __ ] it's horseshit well and it's it like I said for me it
starts off with Dan Harmon and other people at his level being drug users I think that's where it starts for me is
that they they were already compromised people because they were drug users they
weren't able to clearly understand or or should have clearly understood what their power meant and that they are
there to serve the people they're there to protect the communities and this drug
addiction this drug habit got in the way compromised them from the very beginning
and that's what led to him selling drugs and others in the area selling drugs and
you know if somebody asked me you know what well Nick why why the hell would so many people be quiet about this we're
not talking about you know when we say Barry seal and they estimate between three and five billion that's with a B
not with an M that's a b three to five billion dollars that he brought into this country now he was bringing those
in through through multiple States but the thing is it we we believe other Pilots were probably doing this as well
we're not talking about fifty dollars or a hundred dollars here or there to this
guy or Joe at the local supermarket look the other way we're talking about potentially really
hundreds of millions of dollars that's being spread around because of the stuff that's being brought in and you know
what guess what you know Tim down at the grocery store I'm not asking you to do anything wrong
but here's here's here's some free drugs here's two grand I'm just asking you to
say you don't know anything about the situation right I'm just asking you to keep quiet just keep my name out your
mouth and we'll be fine it's it's very frustrating I can tell by the way you're stomping around the garage here as you
gave up that that very angry uh Speech there but the thing is you know we set out to we set out the mission was to set
out to figure out who killed these boys was it a murder to begin with yes we we can we establish that right who killed
him we both at the local level we both agree what we think happened that night we think Dan Harmon and some other guys
uh most likely Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane were all involved in this situation and then they spent almost two years
covering this thing up you know so I think at the local level we set out to to kind of figure out what happened to
these two boys we did been set out to you know uh correct 40 Years of the U.S government's foreign policy but
regarding the boys on the tracks I think we we agree what happened that night right and I think at the end of the day
that people of power and people of money get away with a bunch of [ __ ] and and I
just want to take the moment to say uh you know to to Don Henry to Kevin Ives to their family members if anybody's
listening to this we we are sorry for your loss and we're sorry that there wasn't Justice you know for you and your
family and your loved ones all right now it's uh it's time for many beers yeah well I'm all worked up it's
gonna be an angry drive home from the garage today we got a recommended reading for the week we do this week
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By all accounts, the engineer did a masterful job of bringing his train to a stop. It had taken a screaming, screeching half mile. By the time the engine shuddered to a standstill, Conductor Jerry Tomlin was on the radio notifying an approaching train on a parallel track to stop because some boys had been run over. He also called the dispatcher. "Have you got injuries?" The dispatcher asked. "No," Tomlin said. "We've got death." -From "The Boys on the Tracks" by Mara LeverittTonight we discuss the case that many wanted to keep quiet. Two teenagers are run over by a train in the middle of the night. Was it an accident, a double suicide or a double murder? Join us in the garage for the tragic story of the boys on the tracks.

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses updates on the boys on the tracks case, including witness deaths and Dan Harmon's criminal activities related to drug smuggling.

Key points

Welcome to True Crime Garage. Hosts Nick and the Captain introduce the show and their drink of choice.
Dan Harmon Convicted. Former prosecutor Dan Harmon found guilty of multiple felony charges.
Barry Seal's Double Life. Barry Seal, a drug trafficker and CIA operative, played both sides in drug smuggling.
Political Finger-Pointing. Both parties blame each other for past administrations' failures.
The Dark Legacy of Barry Seal. Barry Seal's drug trafficking and its implications are discussed.
The Consequences of Bad Choices. Exploration of how initial misdeeds can spiral out of control.

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