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[Music] Long Island serial killer Rex Yurman is being charged with a seventh murder
prosecutor say hman is responsible for the November 2000 death of Valerie Mack Mack's remains were found in Manderville
and Gilgo Beach right here in New York and identified through DNA in today's Court filing prosecutors laid out that
they found articles about the search for the Long Island serial killer at huan's
home hman has pleaded not guilty to this charge and to the murder charges of six
other women on Long Island we do want to warn everyone the details in this story
are pretty disturbing I want to bring in ABC News legal contributor Brian buckmire who's joining me now in the
studio Brian thank you so much good to see you what did prosecutors uh reveal about their findings today now that
they're moving forward with this seventh charge so Stephanie they found a number
of things you've already listed some of those articles that seem to be somewhat of souvenirs uh for the alleged suspect
in this case they also found a hair matching the wife and daughter of Rex hurman something that we've seen of
another victim as well how they connect the the suspect uh to the murders also of those 350 electronics that were
seized they found very uh significant amount of violent bondage pornography that showed also uh the mutilation of
the body that is similar to that of the victim in the case but of course they also this document that was created in
2000 around the time of Valerie Max's uh death where they said he used it as a way of planning out these murders
talking about ropes and cords and saws and that in one part of it that's said DS which they believe is dump site was
one of the sites where they actually found some of Valerie Max remains and so they're connecting it all together to
say that Rex hman is the gilo beach murderer and that Valerie Mack is one of his alleged victims investigators over
the course of just a few months have really been able to put some pieces together so what evidence does the
defense have to push push back on this case if at all so if at all is is definitely the key in in this case if
anything they're they're pushing back on the DNA the they're saying that the DNA
techniques that have been used in this case are are not the greatest of techniques that can be used to evaluate
or connect an individual to a suspect and if you can remove that hair follicle that does take away from the case in
some way shape or form and then of course just trying to raise reasonable doubt that perhaps this is someone who
is interested in the Gilgo Beach murders as many people in that Community were and might have collected items not
necessarily as as souvenirs which is out of a true crime of fish out or curious about the case but then there's the DNA
yeah so the DNA is not necessarily his directly but that of his wife and and they can try to say that the technique
in which was used is not the most efficient one and try to raise doubt in how it was collected rather than the
actual results so Brian the defense is considering whether or not to separate these charges how would that work how
would that play out yeah so there are different reasons why Rex hman is connected to one alleged victim or
another and to try to separate them so IND idual isn't facing charges for all seven uh murder uh victims the defense
is trying to make it seem like if you can do a few at a time and raise Reasonable Doubt for some cases rather
than throwing all of them at once and someone maybe convicting Rex hman just because of the sheer volume of victims
that he's facing they're hoping that separating victims based on either the evidence that was collected where they
were found the time frame in which they were murdered to say this was Rex Herman's first case second case and
maybe third maybe a stronger uh uh goal for theirs or a stronger argument than doing all cases at once Brian buckmire
for us here in studio thank you so much Brian there's so much to unwrap with this case and so much more probably
coming forward thank you so [Music] much this is a case that we have covered many times before but never in the way
that we are about to here today today we wheel in this giant old jalape that is Push Pull or drag it into the garage so
we can take it apart and try to make some more sense of things in this crazy case that has gone on for over well over
a decade now this is a case with no shortage of names and titles we have the Long Island serial
killer or Lisk for short also the Gilgo Beach killer or the Gilgo Beach serial killer and as many of you already know
the good women and men in blue over there in New York have someone in custody after many years of
investigating this case the man in custody is 61-year-old Rex heran this case involves multiple murders many
cases that went cold over the years many homicide cases that were simply missing
persons cases from several jurisdictions before bodies were found off of Ocean Parkway near Gilgo Beach New York our
coverage of this case here in the garage consists of us checking on this case with news opinions of the news at the
time and updates we covered this case many years ago before the arrest of Rex Herman and we covered periodically this
investigation as it seemed to drag on for years with a lot of speculation some news but no real movement or direction
for quite some time but things really started to change with the new police chief in suuk County many of you will
remember when on January 16th 2020 suuk County Police Commissioner Geraldine Hart I like the cut of her jib because
For the first time in a long time this investigation seemed to have some real Direction her team released images of a
belt found at the crime scene with letters inoss in the black leather the belt had been
found during the initial investigation near Ocean Parkway in Gilgo Beach this would be the same general area where
four sets of remains were found all murdered victims police would not comment on exactly where the belt had
been found however Chief Hart said that they had every reason to believe that the belt was handled by the perpetrator
of these murders and that it had not belonged to any of the victims the significance and really what
the police wanted was some help they wanted help identifying those letters found on the belt and depending on which
way you're looking at this belt the letters could be either hm or wh then the investigation really ramped
up in January of 20122 with the Assembly of the Gilgo Beach task force this Captain is pure Insanity to me when you
look back on it and you start to think about the investigation and really how the the maturation of the investigation
in the people investigating this case so think about it like this Shannon Gilbert
age 24 vanishes after fleeing from a client's home in the oak Beach Gilgo Beach area this is in May of 2010 this
leads to human remains discovered by the side of Ocean Parkway in Oak Beach on December 11th
2010 Shannon Gilbert was not among the remains found in December 2010 but instead it's the bodies of four victims
Marine banard Barnes Melissa baramy Megan Waterman and Amber Costello all were found in short succession all
approximately 500 ft from each other this will trigger the findings of additional remains
now these four victims will become known as the Gilgo 4 so pardon my garage math
here Captain but they located the remains of these victims 14 years ago this month wow so from The public's
perspective this investigation is rather quite quiet for 10 years then we hear about and our
shown photos of this mysterious belt that might belong to the ACT ual killer a serial killer but this task force is
in full operation in early 2022 and then currently we have reports coming out that within the first month
or two of the task Force's investigation they are actively investigating a man named Rex hman as having a connection to
several of the victims please let's all ruminate for a moment here let that sink in it's
practically radio silence for 12 years of the investigation and then this task force burst onto the scene and kicks in
the damn door of this investigation and does in 60 days time seemingly what several jurisdictions could not do in 12
years time in 144 months time they did this in 60 days they found this guy so they tailed this Rex heran to get a
better idea of what he is what he's up to and is he responsible for some or all of these murders now for the sake of
this exercise we cannot go into every detail of this case here today but we want to spend this time today honing in
on some of what has been learned about Rex heran because if this dude has done the things that the suffle County
district attorney the Gilgo Beach task force in the state of New York believe that he has done well this ogre does not
just have skeletons in the closet so to speak he's left skeletons in multiple jurisdictions all over Long Island New
York many of you will remember and the captain certainly does in July of 2023 this was big news big headlines people
had waited for very long for this Rex Herman was arrested they took him down in the streets of Midtown Manhattan he
was charged with the murder for the the deaths of three of what people were calling the Gilgo four Melissa
bartholomy Megan Waterman and Amber Costello Rex at the time is a hulking 59-year-old
architect he's living with his wife ASA and his two adult children in masipa park on the South Shore of Long Island
and working in Manhattan these locations will line up nicely with some of the cell phone
evidence authorities have in this case so hulking Captain I have never stood next to the ogre myself but I have read
that he is 6'4 6'5 and even 6' 6 in tall in stocky well don't they believe from his neighborhood you could see a part of
Gilgo Beach and some people assuming that one of the reasons maybe he put his victims where he did was that he could
in a way look out onto that area and know what he did and almost relive what he did well and yeah and we talked about
the cell phone evidence just a second ago and one thing that is really disturbing I mean there's so many
disturbing points and details in this case and unfortunately we're going to have to start crawling through those but
one thing that that I'll never forget about this case is that who when he was still unidentified and now let's be
clear he he's been charged but not convicted so innocent until proven guilty in the court of law but for the
sake of argument here today and for the purpose of our examination here today we're going to be looking at it through
the eyes of the Salk County district attorney the gilo beach task force and the state of New York who are all
telling us this guy that we arrested is guilty of some of these murders and so the thing I'll never forget Captain is
before anybody knew who the Long Island serial killer was somebody was using one
of the victim's cell phones to call the victim's sister and taunt the family and
say horrible nasty things to the sister about the sister and about the the dead woman one of the horrible things that he
says in one of those calls is I'm going to watch your sister rot which is certainly implying that he has the
ability to do so I remember when that detail came out I thought holy hell yeah this guy this monster is is has put one
or two or four of the victims in his backyard at some point and just waiting for him to to decompose the breaking
down of the cells and the skin and the tissue to make a package easier to transport in those burlap sacks that are
later found hidden in the brush uh long Ocean Parkway drive so the arrest of this Behemoth
will lead naturally to searches of his home Rex Herman's home vehicle and presumably his office as well right this
will all take place the first searches are very shortly after his arrest so he's arrested in July of 2023 another
thing that's really fascinating and we don't have the details of this yet but those reports that I referenced just a
second ago that they were on to this this guy in the first quarter of 2022 so that
means they're watching him they're collecting evidence they're probably tailing him for quite some time now
we'll get into some of the specifics of this first search and anybody that's been following this case has seen the
abundance of news coverage that took place in 2023 regarding the search of his home it's it's a red home it it's
often referred to as dilapitated or kind of run down what I what what I can say having never stood in front of the the
home or inside of the home from what my eyeballs tell me when I viewed the the news footage is this is a nice
neighborhood this mipa park and he there are some reports out there and I was looking to Triple down on the sources to
confirm this but there are reports out there that Rex hman may have grown up in that house that he's been there so long
he inherited from his family members he may have inherited it also this this neighborhood isn't it known as kind of a
First Responders neighborhood a lot of police officers firefighters EMTs that live in this neighborhood yeah
and I think that is true for a good handful of neighborhoods in and around this area because right as we know many
many people work in the great one of my favorite cities NYC baby I love the Big Apple a lot of people work there but
it's very expensive to live there so everybody kind of drives home at the end of the day to their different
neighborhoods and as said this was a nice neighborhood and it seems like after the arrest and when they're
searching this home there are neighbors that kind of come out and they're like oh yeah that house like it's kind of
like a house that's kind of right like yeah that's the house in that's the one house on the street that they don't seem
to take care of it or they don't they're not manicuring the yard and well In fairness to Rex he was really busy with
his job and his uh side hustle as a serial killer yeah it ain't easy being greasy my friend and this if this dude's
guilty and it looks that way he's greasy as hell now what we're going to talk about is some of the planning and all of
the work Captain hit the nail on the head there his side hustle there's a lot that goes into what he was doing and
anybody that studied Dennis Raider BTK will know that he too was spending a lot of his free time trolling for victims
and and working on his PJs as Dennis Raider called him which stood for projects for him now yeah well and
Dennis Raider was interesting in and I guess you could say in in a sense kind of clever because sometimes he would
pick jobs that would allow him to work and work on his projects at the same time now I don't know that Rex's
architect job that he went into that with the mindset of it's going to play into some things that he wants to do in
his free time let's say but what I do think happened is I think there's some proof and some evidence that
he used his job to facilitate some of his actions and movements and things of that nature because we do know that some
of his activity takes place in and around in and around Manhattan and then some of his actions take place out on
Long Island and actually even further east than masipa Park well I believe the new reports are they're looking and and
probably once they had this guy on their radar they probably started looking into
other cases in other states as well because he did have uh residents I believe in North Carolina or was it
South Carolina it's South Carolina yeah and from my understanding that property is quite large go g [ __ ] what what we
learn here and this part is fascinating to me that we have a second search that takes place in on May 20th it starts May
20th of 2024 this is this is when investigators launched a new search of Herman's home
and it last nearly a week and everybody was wondering why why are they going back there what did they miss maybe they
did it didn't do a very good job the first time we'll get into that in a moment now on the first search of his
home shortly after his arrest in July of 2023 yeah police found the following and
we're talking about electronic devices here seized from the home this is from the suffle county da Raymond Tierney's
press conference which was held earlier this year June 6 2024 he's stating we've recovered 15
different types of cameras we've recovered 27 computers we've recovered 58 internal hard drives 22 external hard
drives or solid hard drive he refers to it as solid drives goes on to say we recovered 46 cell phones nine Wi-Fi
routers 44 SD D micro cards 17 tablets 42 USB devices eight lap cards four GPS devices 36 SIM cards
and 647 CD floppy disc that's a lot of Technology my friend it's a he's got a lot going on there now we can't there's
four people living in the home as we already said his wife lives there his two grown children live there so some of
these items very likely are not rexes and it may belong to other people that live in that dwelling but the I think
the I I was shocked at the sheer number of this but also the 647 floppy disc I didn't I don't know that's got to be
from ancient times my friends because I don't I I don't know anybody that's used
a floppy disc in in how we were using those when I was a little boy well just to play Devil's Advocate it's possible
that he was trying to open up a vintage computer store and call it Mr computer the thing we want to focus in on here
for people that are don't have great knowledge of this case is or these searches the area of
concern for the investigators really seems to be the basement of this home those were creepy pictures just to see I
don't believe we ever got to see inside of the basement but just like you said it was the house was a little disheveled
and then you there was a door from the outside in the backyard that led to the basement I believe and just seeing the
pictures from the outside it was like that's not a basement I would want to go in my friend and
unfortunately I believe and I think that many will agree with us here after we review some of this stuff that that was
probably a basement that several people were taken to oh God L to or move there against their
will that that basement would be better described as a dungeon in my opinion and
it it appears like it's the workshop of a serial killer in fact I don't have the
district attorney saying this but there are several news outlets that have said that the information that we're going to
dive into here today came from a either a hard drive or a laptop that was found in that basement and keep in mind also
found in that basement were a bevy of guns and a stockpile of ammunition can you answer a question for me because
this is something I'm I'm not for sure because and I'm sure you're going to get into this later but Rex's House is now
up for sale and I believe there was some blueprints that were released online but it seems like
there's access to the basement from inside the house but during the searches it seemed like they were just going
through the access uh to the basement from the outside do you do you know if there was still access from the inside
that I don't know I've I've been out to Long Island many times and one thing that I'm not used to here here in Ohio
that I saw on more than one occasion in Long Island or on Long Island was like Cellar
Doors on the outside on the outside of the home in fact I stayed in a a for work they put me up in this house with
several other employees and we had been there multiple nights before I realized that there were
these sell doors and then I was like I was checking I was like oh these sell doors are not even locked like just any
old person could walk up to the outside to the side of the house and open up these doors and walk right down into the
basement and then this this house did have stairs too that led to the main level so you could access the basement
from the outside or from the main home and that concerned me greatly because I thought you know me being the True Crime
guy the only one of course of those people that were on that work trip and I'm going oh great meanwhile this the
the first time I stayed there was before the discovery of these bodies but then they put me up in this house one more
time after the discovery of these bodies so I'm going yeah not not only am I out
here on Long Island near where these four remains have been found and there's still a missing young woman but there's
there's access to the uh basement anybody could just walk in here while we're sleeping and um we're never waking
up my friends one thing that they discover and this is amongst other things of course but this is the thing
we really want to hone in here today it it's the discovery of a Microsoft Word document that was entitled
hk2 2002-04 many people ourselves included are referring to this as a blueprint for
murder so what is this blueprint for murder and we will get into the details here in a sec but this is a great
description of this document and this is from the folks at CNN and they say An Architect by trade Gilgo Beach killings
suspect Rex hman allegedly kept a chilling planning document to methodically blueprint in the words of
prosecutors how to select kill and dispose of his victims investigators recovered the word document heran
allegedly created in 2000 and modified over several years on a hard drive in the basement of his Suburban New York
home where he lived with his wife and children in capital letters the file outlined the package of of bodies for
transport steps to avoid apprehension and the removal of trace DNA evidence according to a bail application Long
Island prosecutors brought charges against hearman quote his being an architect is totally consistent with the
hyper attention to detail that is manifested in his murders end quote said criminologist and author Scott Bond who
is a renowned criminologist and author and also a one-time guest of True Crime garage they had Scott Bond review this
document and give his opinions on what he was seeing and reading when we get back from this beer break we're going to
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tall cans in the air cheers with your full glasses of eggnog dust off your floppy disc let's get into it cheers to
you Colonel cheers to you Captain I I hear floppy disc and I immediately think of the organ Trail dying of denter yes
uh which which my wife my computer wife died of denter many times I was not responsible she was in charge of the
cooking it also reminds me of where in the World is Carmen San Diego yeah where in the World is Carmen San Diego this
document here Captain so it's titled hk22 d04 Oh I thought it was titled H to the iso B to the ISA well and it's
really kind of fascinating how they discovered this document and this this is my opinion here I believe that they
we know that They confiscated all of those electronic devices to sum it up all those things
together sum it up with one term electronic devices They confiscated all those devices on their first search I
personally believe that it is the finding of this deleted document that led them to want to go
back and search the property again and this is something that's not easily done right it's it's a deleted document it
they had a lot as we just went over the inventory there of those electronic devices and such there's a lot to pour
over there's a lot to tear through for these investigators and yeah but they do have the
mfbi on on this case right yes yes they do what they the way that they found this document this deleted document is
using a technique called file carving so file carving is a technique used to cover or reconstruct files that have
been deleted or F or formatted on a computer it's a key tool in digital forensics and it's used most times in
cyber crimes but it's also used in investigations like this now how it works is file carving searches for files
based on their content rather than M metadata it identifies unique headers and Footers associated with a file type
and then carves them out and it's useful as said for recovering files when directory entries are missing or corrupt
such as analyzing damaged Media or old deleted files now how do they do this file carving well there are tools out
there available to do this type of technique there are several software tools available for file carving is file
carving something that you studied at the school of computer no but it so I want to be completely clear here because
sometimes people hear certain words and they think that somebody's making a political statement and you can talk
about a lot of things that never have to address politics at all H politics I I went to that CSI course I've referenced
this a couple times I went to that in 2023 and one part of that course which was really fascinating was they were
talking about teaching officers when you respond to a scene and you find a cell phone whether it be a victims could be a
perpetrators what have you yeah how how do you secure that phone because if it's
if it's the perpetrator's cell phone and the perpetrator is not there at the crime scene they could still scrub and
delete that information on that phone without having the phone in their hands and so they they taught us how to lock
and secure a cell phone so that somebody without direct access to the phone they
may be limited in their ability to what they could remove from the phone and we've all seen we're living in the what
I love to refer to is the Golden Age of solving these cases where we're using DNA we're using cell phone technology
and computer technology to solve a lot of cases right the one thing I will point out here and again this is I'm not
I don't say this to be political I say this as a person who comes from a security background and and cares about
the security of of others that one thing they pointed out in that the class which is unfortunate
is almost all of the software available currently and this is what I don't understand because we have so many
Brilliant Minds in this great country but nearly all the software that's being used by law enforcement comes from China
and so when you're using that software to tear through people's cell phones computers and what have you you are also
very likely sending all that information to to some to some entity that we don't
know about in China which which could have its own implications that so that aside but I wanted to make sure we bring
that up because there there's just certain things that the general population the Gen pop doesn't know
about that I think it would be concerning to most had they had more information well back to your point on
cell phone data which is it's basically our digital DNA right and so in this case we have DNA linking reck to these
crimes but we also have uh digital and yeah digital forensics that link him and like you said these phone calls that
were happening to taunt victim's family members we have coming from that area as
well yeah and we we went through a lot of that burner phone and cell phone evidence which involved a lot of times
it showed burner phones being in the same location at the same time as victim cell phones
furthermore it also showed somebody using accessing and using victim cell phones to after after they had already
gone missing right and presumably were dead using victim A's cell phone to contact and set up a meat and greet if
you will with victim B and so on and so forth and I believe we went through that
in on off the Record in great detail but we got a lot to get through so this this
is from the state's filing this is the people of the state of New York V Rex heran the bail application document this
is indictment number 71635 d24 and it's a approximately a 30 let's see it's a 37 page document that was
filed with the state and this was used in its simplest form Captain it's used to prevent the judge from granting bail
to this person saying look this this man is far too dangerous for you to give them bail and let them back out and here
is why here here's the evidence and the proof that we've collected that this guy
is so bad that you shouldn't even give him bail while we build our states case against him and take to trial right now
I'm going to go straight to page 20 of the document captain and we'll sink our teeth in as they say and parts of this
forgive me uh it reads like a textbook at sometimes but I want to read directly from the document so that we
don't and some of it looks like a a format somebody would use to teach a class yes on page 20 that's where they
are referencing the seizure of over 350 electronic devices from Rex Herman's home the task force attempts to extract
and analyze data from each of these devices it also goes into some of the pornography searches and pornography
that was viewed on some of these devices as well so let me read this part for you
and again this is a true crime show there's no nice way of saying saying some of these
things so you've been warned and it reads an analysis of these devices has revealed hman significant collection of
violent bondage and torture pornography currently dating back to 1994 pornographic images accessed by Heen
include but are not limited to breast mutilation vaginal torture sex substitution that's the
penetration with an object the sexualization of decapitated women which is one of the grossest things and most
disturbing things I've words that I've ever seen put together in one sentence also bondage and
whipping now what the state is telling the judge here is that some of this largely coincides with remains of
victims that we found that he hasn't been charged with yet mhm it says moreover during the analysis of a hard
driver covered from the basement of Herman's residence the task force discovered a Microsoft Word document
entitled hk22 d04 the document was discovered in an unallocated space allocated space
refers to stored data that a computer is using so these are files that are viewable and that's that the person
operating the computer they're able to open them and modify them unallocated space refers to
available or unstructured data which is not readily viewable and you're not able to open it
by the user unallocated space frequently contains room for new data or old data that has been deleted sent to the
recycling bin or overwritten this is an unallocated space which means that whoever created this document the state
is saying that Rex Herman created this document and that at some point he decided to get rid of it off of the
computer and probably believe that he had successfully done so however their file carving software
found and was able to retrieve and I want to say this clearly because I don't I'm not you know I went to school for
computer but don't have a great understanding of this whole business right here I until we get to trial we
won't know any better here Captain but I don't believe they recovered all of the
document I think they recover pie right yeah yeah so they Rec recover this document and
what they're telling us is that they while the the title is 22-04 one could very very easily make
the educated assumption that that means that this document is created in 2002 and modified throughout 2004 for or
it's referencing things for those years however they're saying that what what they've learned is that the this
original document was created in 2000 and the original title was different it was HK
2000-03 the year 2000 and then later it was updated in the name was changed to hk22
d04 and the state is saying that the document was created in 2000 but had been modified several times between 2001
and 2002 yeah because that would be in the the data but is he the one labeling these
files or are these just the file names that the computer is giving the file so this title the title given to this
document was created by a user now when this gets to trial of course any defense
team worth worth it is going to try to tell you well three other people lived in this home you can't say that my ogre
defendant here is the absolute creator of this document it's probably the wife the the news has referenced a secret
room in in this basement area and again to me this basement I believe it to be the laboratory if you will of a serial
killer well let me just expound on this a little bit right if he inherit Ed the house then he
would have an understanding of the layout and there's a possibility we had some friends growing
up that they had you know some secret rooms or secret storage spots mhm and in their basement and instead of having
like a typical door it was more of like a hidden door and it was fun but we all knew about the secret room a false wall
I think they call some of that and and so it's possible that he knew of this and decided to keep that a secret from
his family and maybe that's the reason why there's now uh These Blueprints of his house being put out
online well and the Beautiful listeners out there are probably sick of hearing me say these years over and over again
but this is important and the state is repeating these years as well because some of these years are going to
coincide with some of the missing person and later what ends up being homicide cases but this is also because there was
just news that was put out the other day every time there's a piece a new piece of information put out and you start
down the rabbit hole again this is a very fascinating case this is a very fascinating like you said if he's guilty
and it seems that way this is a very fascinating serial killer well and what's fascinating about him is I you
know I don't want want to put any of these creeps on a pedestal and I know that's not what you're doing here
Captain but what's what's fascinating about him is that he's not some unraveling Maniac that is just you know
pulling people off the streets there's a lot of planning and a lot of work that goes into this for him we saw that with
BTK and that's that's always intriguing because we always wonder about the you know you always have the who who done it
for you know and then once you get past that once you solve it and you you you apprehend the monster and put that
monster in a cage you're left with the the why and the how of it and this gives us some clear insights into the how of
it and then you can analyze some of this to try to come up with the why which is
probably the most difficult question to answer with these types well I think it's difficult too because
I think in our Mind's Eye we're thinking of Freddy Krueger or Jason Vorhees or Mike Meyer for years when we have these
victims being discovered in these dumping grounds your mind is racing what does this monster look like and when
then you and then when information comes out or they catch a break and then they
have an arrest in a case normally the first couple pictures you see of this individual you don't see the monster
that you had in your mind no like this guy just looks like a bunch of my friends dads growing up you know I
see I see something different and I think that's all perception yeah it's it's really
just a matter of opinion it depends on the the pictures too because when you look at uh his initial restr
arrest pictures and his booking pictures I guess you'd call them to me I see something darker darker in his eyes but
some of these recent pictures of him being in the courtroom he's in a suit and tie so I think that changes your P
your uh perception of things yes dress for the job you want not the job you have he wants to be innocent of these
charges yeah dress for the verdict you want not the verdict you're going to get yeah so
this Microsoft Word document the state says is a planning document and utilized by heran that's in their filing that's
interesting to me because we talked about what the defense team may try to do once it gets to trial the prosecution
is going to try to tell us this and I if they have this information we don't know
but if I'm the prosecutor what I want to know about this document and where we found it the device that we found it on
is you know a lot of the times like on your computer or laptop you can name it you can name that device you can say who
it belongs to yeah where they recovered this was it did somebody tell that device that it belonged to Rex rather
than any of the other three people in the home and then you take it a step further we saw this with the uh Keegan
Klein stuff Kegan Klein I'm sorry I always go Keegan and I think it's whatever the hell his name is whatever
the hell his name is piece of [ __ ] yeah so pudgy was victimizing little girls with his electronic devices and
one thing that the police were saying is that these devices you can claim that they belong to somebody else but they
they're named you named them and you said that they belong to you when when you filled out information within these
devices these devices are password protected so if I say this computer belongs to Nick from True Crime garage
and it's password protected now that starts to really suggest that it it gets it more
difficult it creates more hurdles for the defense team to clear that someone else with inside this home created this
document my main computer that I use the password is my fingerprint I have to touch a little sensor on my computer to
open up anything so in that case there's there's no arguing and I don't want to jump ahead but I don't think this is
something we're going to discuss too much but it seems like with the mountain of evidence that they're building
they're not just building a a pile of evidence they also have some Nails in his coffin type evidence so I question
if this will even go to trial because at some point the defense team has to reason with their client to say you know
we have to do what's in your best interest to protect their client yeah the the information here says Microsoft
document to be a planning document utilized by Rex heran to methodically blueprint and plan out his kills the
planning document begins with a four category section with the underlying headings of
problems supplies DS and TRG so we get to review these different headers here and the first header that
they referenced and listed was problems and under the header somebody has listed the following
DNA tire marks blood stains fingerprints plastic bag SLC cat litter witness Trace source of
supplies foot SL shoe prints photos misleaders police stop truck stuck fingerprints and gloves plastic bags
matched to box and then finally we have hair and fiber so of course problems for
a killer we can go through these quickly I think one at a time DNA is an obvious
problem for killer to leave their DNA at a crime scene or on a victim is going to
be a problem so problems here seem to mean ways that they that authorities could detect that he is responsible for
the murder and the crime scene that they have found he's reminding himself don't
leave any DNA don't leave tire marks blood stains we've talked about this plenty of times too the stabbing of
another victim often times the perpetrator will cut themselves in that process but you you could also have
victim's blood stains that are left on your clothing or in your vehicle if you had the victim in there
or if as I suspect in his basement fingerprints and this works the same way as blood stains DNA right you're not
going to want the victim's fingerprints found on anything you own any of your possessions and you're not going to want
to leave your fingerprints at the crime scene or on the victim or on any of the victim's belongings is it strange that I
I think it's weirder that it's almost laid out that it's not just a text document it it almost looks like a a
worksheet you'd get at Sunday school yeah and I think it's I think that the the author of this document listed these
things in this manner to be kind of a quick reference tool right right like here's the things like I like I know the
author of this document I know my thoughts and opinions and detailed information about each one of these
items but here's a quick way of me to give myself a quick rundown before game time before I go out there and try to do
this and things that I need to remind myself of beforehand so I don't get caught and and the other thing too is
keep in mind a lot of these types these killers yeah they work themselves up in to this
heightened sense of excitement where they might not be thinking so clearly in the moment they
might be doing rather than thinking this might be kind of it's it not a pep talk
I don't think is the best way to describe it but it's it it is it's like here's some reminders of things I need
to be concerned with before I go out and troll for a victim before before I have
a hookup with a victim because what the state is saying is that the victims here
in this case the victims that he's been charged with are sex workers and there is communication between Rex hman and
these now deceased women and so you have to wonder how many times did he have interaction with the victims
before they were no before they vanished no I think that's a very good question and and then also he's creating this
list of things to do almost like a guideline but he's not following his own guidelines well yeah
he didn't do a great job of covering his tracks with as far as the cell phone information goes yeah or this one says
destroy book and computer files didn't obviously or maybe I guess maybe he destroyed it in the best way he knew
possible and like you said it was just uncovered by the FBI yeah I I believe Heath as stated by
the task force right they're saying we recovered this document and unallocated space of the hard drive so it so it
can't be accessed by the user meaning that it was deleted removed and the user for all they know unless they're a
computer genius would believe that nobody else could access it either that it's that it's just gone right when in
fact it's not you can almost think about this think of this document like a fossil right like where the item may be
gone the actual item is gone but there's an imprint left of it so DNA tire marks
blood stains fingerprints that's all pretty normal stuff that we would expect criminals to be concerned of
plastic bag SL litter is a surprising line item there the plastic bag so we've seen in many cases where they're able to
trace a trash bag back to a manufacturer back to where it may have been purchased
from and in some cases even back to the roll of trash bags that it was torn off of cat
litter I think is going to have a different use cat litter would be I I'm trying to
think of what a killer would use cat litter for so we already know that he's concerned about tire marks well well my
thought was that if he got stuck in the snow that you one of the ways to get out
of that is to put cat litter by your tires to create traction exactly because later on down the list in problems he
lists truck stuck so cat litter would be you don't want the cat litter to be traced the other thing you could use cat
litter for is it's quite absorbent you will see sometimes people will use cat litter like in garages or repair shops
they'll put it down on the the floor space to absorb grease or any fluids that might drip from a vehicle what he
might be trying to absorb would be blood obviously Witnesses would be a problem Trace source of Supply so this is kind
of reiterating things that we talked about like tracing the tracing of a a trash bag so the trace source of the
supplies that he's using when committing these murders shoe Footprints that's pretty
obvious stuff photos he doesn't want to be photographed the other thing though too
you talked about the destruction of computer information or cell phone information with with heedless photos
here with a question mark next to it I'm wondering if he's also saying like not not just I don't want to be photographed
but I think he's photographing some of his activities and wants to remind himself I
you can't hold on to those that memorabilia forever well you could be photographing the crime scene he could
be photographing uh the dump site he it could also just be uh the picture of these females that he gets off the
internet or because some of the these victims he was connecting through what is it called back page mhm so is it is
it possible that their picture was in back page and he he kept that uh before he met them or kept that after as a
souvenir yeah I think he's photographing the victims during some of these acts that he's committing some of the torture
process I think they are being photographed and he's reminding himself hey hey monster brain as much as as much
as you want to and as much as you think you've earned it because you've did the work to keep these photographs that you
love so much that you enjoy so much you can't keep them because if you do that's
your Smoking [Music] Gun thanks for joining us here in the garage dusting off your floppy disc toss
out your cat litter to suck up that grease so much more to get to and These Blueprints of murder until tomorrow be
good be kind and don't litter [Music] [Applause] [Music]

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The Gilgo Beach Killer, The Long Island Serial Killer, L.I.S.K., and the list of names, and monikers goes on and on. These are all names given to an unidentified serial killer that is responsible for four murders, maybe eleven unsolved homicides, and likely the number could be higher. These names refer to a series of murders that took place from 1996 to 2011 in which the remains of eleven people were found on the South Shore of Long Island, New York. From the public’s perspective, this all started when Shannon Gilbert went missing in the early morning hours of May 1, 2010. Her disappearance triggered the finding of four sets of remains off of Ocean Parkway at Gilgo Beach. These victims became known as the Gilgo Four. By May of 2011 police had discovered six more sets of remains in the area. But the truth is that this nightmare started long before Shannon disappeared.

In 2023, an architect then 59-year old, Rex Heuermann was arrested and initially charged with three of the murders. Just this month he was charged with a seventh homicide. This week in the Garage, we talk about what the police found in Rex Heuermann’s home, specifically a planning document. This is a kill document, one that many are calling Rex Heuermann’s Blue Print for Murder.

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Brief Summary

Rex Hureman faces new murder charges with disturbing evidence, including a chilling planning document and extensive electronic devices seized from his home.

Key points

Long Island Serial Killer Charged. Rex Hyman faces charges for the murder of Valerie Mack and six other women.
The Gilgo Beach Task Force. A new task force revives the investigation into the Long Island serial killer.
The Dungeon Basement. The basement is described as resembling a dungeon, raising concerns about its past.
Blueprint for Murder. A chilling document found in the suspect's basement outlines methods for selecting and disposing of victims.
The Mind of a Killer. Exploring the psychological aspects of murderers and their motivations.
Dress for the Verdict. The killer's courtroom appearance raises questions about perception and innocence.

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