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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] Thanks and praise. Thanks and praise. Mail time. Actually, criticism and
praise. Criticism. Um, so taking to the blog at the old truecrimeg.com. Love the conversations
on there. 95% of them awesome conversations. Mhm. Um, so for last week we did two one-parters, two one-part episodes
because they were there were shorter cases with you know the one case Mckenzie's
case is is fairly new and so not a lot of information per se, a lot of stuff that we're going to learn as they go
through the court proceedings to convict that that [ __ ] Right. So, where the criticism came in on the blog, which is
which is fine and and probably rightfully so. I'd rather somebody point it out than it not be pointed out at
all, was you and I got into it a little bit, but we didn't dive deep into the sugar baby, sugar daddy thing that's
going around regarding that case. Yeah. Um, we didn't I don't want to say we purposely left that out because that
wasn't really the angle there. we weren't really putting an angle or spin on it. It's more so that that is
something that's certainly suspected in the case and several people said, you know, look, that's that's part of the
case. So, so choosing to leave it out is not telling us the whole story, which I
get that, but we did touch upon it a little bit at least the dangers of social media and the dangers of the um
what is the wonderful internet. But yeah, I brought it up a couple times during our our breaks just because that
to me it was it was kind of the reason why this case was being talked about a lot on the internet and it I did feel at
the time that we kind of glazed over it a little bit. Oh, I definitely think we I think we definitely Yeah, just just
kind of smoothed it over a little bit. But um yeah, it's one of those things though. It's it's difficult to really
tear through that part of the story of that case because we don't the police their
their statement has been that we don't know the interaction between the victim and the killer. And I'm sure that's
something that we're going to learn as things come out and as this goes to trial. And I think maybe that's when
it's better to be discussed because I'd hate to. We're talking about a young woman who had her whole life ahead of
her and this guy chose to to be a monster and we talked about him being a a budding serial killer
and he he ended all that. He ruined all that. He destroyed all that. And I think
for for me personally, my feelings and thoughts were just rather than rather than go into
this big time and I didn't want to get in a situation where it was almost victim blaming because that's that's not
any part of the story or any part of that case. Mhm. And so I felt like really diving into that we would be
because the police's official statement is we do not know exactly the the relationship or whatever interaction
these two had with each other leading up to the abduction cuz let's keep in mind
she was abducted. Uh, I I felt that we would be doing McKenzie and her family just a big
injustice to to really dive into that and not really knowing exactly what it is. Well, here's a bunch of questions
that we we don't know. Right. Right. One, is this the first time that she met with this guy? Right. We don't know
that. That's the answer. We don't know right now. A as far as the information that has come out on the internet, we do
not know. We also do not know. Like you were just saying, there are women that go on to
dating websites and to apps, you know, dating apps and and basically sign up and they you and this is kind of what
she was talking about. um what Mackenzie was posting on on somebody's Facebook page basically explaining you can go on
these apps and you can use these as a tools to meet men but with your description and what you're laying out
you're basically stating here's the kind of relationship I want a sugar baby relationship
now we do not know and you brought this up in the show we do not know based on other social media based on other
applications How many apps was she involved in? Was she using this? You know, cuz one of the listeners was like,
she was working as a sugar baby. I don't know if that's actually what it's called, right? But if it is called that,
is it possible that she had a a Tinder app or a Bumble app or or some kind of dating app that she was using just for
her personal use that she wasn't she was looking for an actual relationship and not a sugar baby, sugar daddy
relationship? These are things that we don't know. So, is it possible that she met this individual again? Did she meet
him before? Did she meet him uh in in the sugar baby context? Or did she meet him because she liked him and she wanted
to try to have a relationship with this guy? Well, and it's completely unclear, too, if he was even presenting himself
for who he is. You know, he could have been pretending to be somebody else, pretending to be somebody that he's not.
They could, and we pointed this out too, they could have had, there could be a total
misunderstanding on why they were meeting that night. That's just not known to us looking in. That's one of
those weird cases where it's like if we would have covered it a year or two after they solved this case, you'd
probably get a lot different story from us regarding this because we would have more information. we would have more of
the facts and we would have more stuff to state on that. I mean, who knows? This could turn out to be a situation
where she was going there under the pretenses of something completely different. Um, that could be totally
innocent on her end. And and now we're sitting here and I and that's why Right. Right. But again, here here's the issue.
I think the issue with the listener is going, "This is how I found the case." you know, you know, the headline read,
"Sugar baby is missing," or whatever, whatever the stupid headline was that kind of got them to go, "Oh, what's this
all about?" Then they read a, you know, a little article and then then we covered the case and they were like,
"Oh, what do I know about the case?" And we left out like the one piece of information that most people knew about
the case. And I think that's which which is not um confirmed, right? which I agree with you, which my
problem with the listener is when they go, "Did you do any goddamn research?" Uh, yeah. Yeah. Go go go read an article
about this. Most of the articles about this at the time were just this sugar baby angle and that was it.
We gave you all the other things, right? Well, the important stuff that we that we know to be uh true in in the facts of
the case and but I don't think it's irresponsible to put out that there is some rumors that this was going on.
There's some evidence of that. We don't know if that's how she made a connection
with this guy. And and it and it gets a little dicey. You it get becomes a little gray area. you don't want a
victim blame. But at the same time, I think that we have a responsibility um to say, okay, even if even if this
was that she met this guy through an app, not through like a sugar baby, sugar daddy connection, but she just met
this guy as far as dating and and this was the first time she met him. It's not It's not a good idea to be meeting
somebody that you don't know in the middle of the night at a park. Oh, yeah. It's not responsible. And I Or maybe
anywhere, right? But what what is sad is that we live in a society that if you say
that we don't know little things. So we can't say for certain. But what we can say for certain
is again well again we can't even say this for certain because they might have met a couple times. Mhm. And
then can you fault her for meeting this person late at night that she possibly has met a couple times because we know
that there was a a text history? We know that there was uh exchanging of photos,
but again, we don't know if they met up for drinks. We don't know if they met up
for coffee. We don't know these things. But if they didn't, this is very irresponsible. The, you know, people
need to be careful because there's so many sickos out there. There's there's animals out there. There monsters out
there. Well, that's why they say to vet people that you meet on the internet or vet
people that in any shape or form that you can for people that you meet anywhere. Yeah. I'm a, you know, 63 guy,
200 million pounds. Um, you know, I wouldn't meet somebody for the first time at a park late at
night. I just wouldn't do it. And and the likelihood that I would, you know, meet uh somebody on a dating app
and you know what I mean? Like I I just I wouldn't I wouldn't even do it out of just respect for the person, for the for
the girl to go, you want to meet up sometime if they're like, "Yeah, let's meet up at 2:00 in the park. We'll hang
out." Yeah, about 6:00 on a Sunday for some coffee or something. So, but I think it it it becomes dicey because a
lot of these true crime shows when you put out some opinions like that, I don't think that's a wrong opinion to put out.
Mhm. Um but but then people are quick to go, you're victim blaming. You're victim
blaming. Well, there there are people that are putting themselves into bad situations and we should bring those up
when those happen. If you're running at the park at 7 in the morning and you get
attacked, what fault do you have? You know what I mean? Well, I see what you're saying, but I mean, we
people people have the right to to do things that are just regular stuff and and yeah, but I don't think meetings
again, I don't know for sure, but let's say it's the first time they're meeting,
but we it's not it's not a safe situation. That's why I think it's a slippery slope to get into that part of
the case when it's it seems unnecessary at this at this point when we don't know
what was going on there. Well, I Maybe it doesn't maybe it doesn't seem necessary, but I think it is necessary
because these situations keep happening. This is a newer case and and part of I think part of uh what we should be
trying to do as a community is say look, she didn't she didn't get anything that she deserved or anything like that,
but it's just be careful. Put yourself in the best situations and try to stay in safe situations. And I don't think
that's wrong to say. No, no, not at all. Now, where we did get praise was for the
the other oneparter, uh, Patrick Denah, who was a murder victim, and a lot of people thought, you know, that knew the
story, people from that area were reaching out, and they all shared the same um dis displeasure,
right? Uh, I I don't know if that's the best. I wanted to say something real mean here, but u I'm trying to be nice
today. Good vibes. Good vibes. But um they a lot of people pointed out, "Hey, I was worried that the story was over
and then you guys came right back in with the uh coach Dave Bliss is an is is a jerk." Uh and went into that angle of
of the of the case. And that that was that was kind of cool to hear that a lot of people cuz sometimes you come down
and you um I was not worried about being too harsh on Dave Bliss because they think he's a real dirt bag. Uh but it
was it was interesting to hear that people from that area and at that that were living around there experiencing
that that was local news for some of these people and they're saying that was a a part of the story. That was a big
part of the case for me living there or for me attending the Baylor University at the time, right? And it that's as
terrible and as tragic as a of a whole story as that is, it's the it's the basketball program and the head coach's
actions that are really the they're they're shocking at the You know what I mean? Because you you when
you dive through that that investigation and that murder investigation, what what
may have happened in that case, you almost think like, [ __ ] I can't take any more of this. This is just, you
know, one misdeed after another. And then then you the story is not over yet. You find
out that the the the victim has been killed. This this young man was murdered. And now we got a coach that
wants to blame his misdeedings on on the victim. Yeah. And here's what I'm confused about. So maybe you can clear
this up for me. So I I kind of the way I took it was that he came out and he said, you know, this guy was a drug
dealer and and and basically he was putting himself in really bad situations. Again, victim
blaming. Right. Right. But then the documentary came out about this and I thought that he kind
of the coach anyways like backpedled on his comments. Oh, that's all he's ever done,
man. Like that's that's all he's ever done. He's many times he's said that, "Okay, I'm I'm going to tell the truth
or I'm going to tell you what really happened." And he just he really minimizes his whole involvement in the
whole thing. And it's just really he's just a despicable person. He has a chance to to write a huge wrong and he
just kind of refuses to do so because I don't know. Right. That was where my confusion was. It sounded like to me
during when we're talking about it was that he kind of came out and said, "Hey, I'm really sorry I made these comments."
But then when I was looking back at the documentary to like do these little promo clips, I was like, "Wait a second.
He doesn't really back down on this. He basically kind of doubles down." No. So,
this is my this is just my opinion. I can't tell you what he feels or thinks and I don't want to I don't really want
to analyze him too much. But my opinion of Dave Bliss is a man that feels like a victim himself
that he was doing a bunch of wrong stuff and he only got caught because one of his players got killed by another
player. Right. And I I truly think at the end of the day he thinks of himself as a victim that oh I I would have been
I would have been able to just keep doing my thing but this terrible thing happened and I got outed because of it.
But I mean, there's nothing there's it's so slimy. So incredibly slimy to have a
have a young man get murdered by another one of the teammates and then behind closed doors, you're trying to convince
the other coaches, we need to paint the victim as a drug dealer because we have this money
that he was getting, the player was getting, right, that we need to make up for. and and we can't have it coming
from us. So, it has to come from somewhere where they can't trace it. So, oh yeah, he was involved in drugs and
and uh a drug dealer and that's how he was getting that money to pay for this vehicle and to pay for his tuition and
things like that. And well, right, but I think also, you know, not to play complete devil's advocate here, but it's
like it's one of those things where somebody says, "Hey, this is person A, B, C, and D." We don't really have
evidence of that. We don't have evidence of Patrick doing this. But is it possible that he was, you know, cuz
there, you know, I know a lot of friends that have at one point or another bought
some weed, maybe sold some weed. I wouldn't consider them drug dealers, but is it possible that that's
something he did every now and then and that the coach knew about it? And and yes, he feels like a victim himself, but
he's also trying to put actually put some light onto the context of what happened.
No. No. I mean, we're talking about, okay, let's say somebody buys a bag of weed and sells half of it to their
friend to to so it doesn't cost them as much. We're we're talking about thousands of dollars that needed to be
made up for, right? He has to paint him as a legit drug dealer, as somebody that's bringing in thousands of dollars
to cover these expenses. And not only is he doing that, he's trying to convince the other coaches who know
better that this is what was going on. And oh, it's it's not necessarily about um for Bliss, it was about him saving
his own ass. And he conveyed that to the coaches in almost a threatening manner,
saying, "Look, I've been coaching for 25 years. There's never been any suspicion
that I've ever done anything wrong. So, I'm not worried about that. I got a clean record here. That's his as a head
coach. He's trying to bully all the coaching in in in college is look, some of these people make a lot of money as a
head coach. A lot of these guys and women that that go into coaching for years, they work shitty jobs. They make
no money. They move all over. Their families half the time hate them because they can't stay in one place sometimes
longer than a than one season. And they work these terrible jobs to get to to make their way up and through the ranks
to be a head coach to be somebody that can get finally what they deserve in in a good salary, right? And and work at a
prestigious university. And he used Dave Bliss not only not only tried to blame the victim of a murder for all of his
own misdeings, he tried to bully all of his underlings, all of his coaches that were under him that probably questioned,
should I just fold and follow this guy into the light? Should I just Should I just go along with what he's saying
because he is a successful head coach at a prestigious university and I'm some guy that's trying to make my way
up and and it's just the I mean it's just the dirtiest slimiest thing I've seen in in in a while. And and actually
to be honest with you, when we put uh Patrick Denah's case on our case list, I actually didn't know any part of that of
that story right at the time. That was just something that I stumbled upon. Now, in all fairness to the listeners, I
I did I have not seen the documentary. I believe it's called Disgraced. I've not seen that
documentary. I guess it was a um This is why I hate my cable company. So, um, it was a Showtime documentary and I
think it's probably about 5 years ago now. I've heard good things about it. So, I really wanted to watch it when I
through the research stumbling upon, oh, there's this documentary out there. My uh, Showtime on Demand on my
cable does not, if you type that in, it doesn't, it's like it never existed. It doesn't know anything about it. But if I
get onto my Amazon app, I can very easily find the disgraced documentary and it says if you sign up for Showtime
on Amazon, this you can watch this free with the with your Showtime subscription. So, for whatever reason,
the really good people and smart people at Amazon Prime are able to figure out how to have that
documentary for your ondemand portion of your Showtime there. But apparently my cable company limited on what they're
offering and I wasn't going to get a second subscription just to see it. I think they should have just had it on my
my Showtime already. No, but what I what I was trying to say is if you listen to some
of his comments, like look, I mean it it could be as simple as this guy is just a bold-faced
liar. He's just trying to throw everybody under the bus. Blah blah blah. He's a dirt bag. That's very possible.
I'm just saying if anything that he's saying is true. Um because just the way he you know
there's just then what though? I don't understand if if anything he's saying is true. I I don't I'm You're losing me
here. with He wasn't a drug. You'd have to watch You'd have to watch the documentary to see those comments, but
it's just the way um he wasn't a drug dealer. We The only person that ever tried to say that was was Dave Bliss. We
don't have any friends, family members, nobody saying that. When his body was found, they did toxicology report. No
alcohol, no drugs found in his system. There's there's no evidence to back any of that stuff up. And the the the
compartment that I put Dave Bliss in is how do you know he's lying? His lips are
moving. This guy this guy doesn't care about about people the way that normal people do. He cares about himself and he
cares about his career and he cares about his reputation and legacy and that's it. and he's
willing, more than willing to bully his his coaches and his players for for his own sake. And he's willing to to throw a
murder victim, a young man's reputation under the bus to to to save his own ass and and to save his own stupid
reputation. Yeah, it kind of reminds me um even though I mean it's quite different but
it the when we're going over the the case I haven't seen the movie in a while but uh Above the Rim remember that
vaguely movie with Tupac Shakur. It was one of those movies where it's like I I didn't watch in the theaters and I it
was, you know, like Saturday waiting for a football game to come on or or Sunday
waiting for a football to game to come on and it was on another channel and you kind of like flip back and forth and
kind of halfwatch it. But I remember it being somewhat good but also strange. But but
but what I'm saying is I think be uh because uh okay, let's let's just say everything
he's saying is a lie. But I think some of the reason why he has been able to get away with some of that is because of
these coaches. All these coaches, like you said, they work their their butts off to get into positions where they're
actually now making money. And if you watch like a movie like Blue Chips or whatever, it's like some of these
coaches are willing to do anything and bend the rules and they they almost become like
gangsters. Um, and and that's why I bring up above the rim because it's it's not just as
simple as like, uh, yeah, we know that these kids are kind of bad kids, but we're going to bring them into our
system. The the bad kid is coming into a system that's already corrupt. You You see what I'm saying? I
I'm totally lost here. Okay. You take Who's the bad kid in our in our story? No, what I'm what I'm say
what I'm saying is because of Bliss's statements and because this has happened so many times, they
always in any of these situations, the athlete is normally the one that gets thrown under the bus. And now we have a
situation where you have a dead athlete and then this coach is going to throw him under the bus. And and who was
thrown under the bus? Patrick. That's who was thrown under the bus. Did the Did the um Did the coach lose their job?
Yes. But they're still teaching. They're still coaching. They went to another they went to another university. Yeah.
Are they making less money? But they're making something. and then they get fired because the documentary comes out
and he still gets another job. So, but what I'm saying is because of the culture has been this way,
especially in college sports, there's there's so many times where it's it's a bad, you know, they
they make it out to be a bad seed and not just a bad organization and that these these
athletes then have to take a fall. um you know for for the whole university. Um so I do want to get into
some other stuff here real quick because we have this is where where the show can
a prime example of how our show can can really try to help an ongoing case one that that is certainly very cold. We
recently covered the uh Barbara Blatnik case unsolved out of uh northeastern Ohio. Now, one thing that was was tricky
when piecing her case together was the timeline of the last night that she was seen and who she was with and where she
could have been. There were some um there were some unknowns about that timeline and about where she was and who
she was with and and all that. There was and I don't even know if unknowns really
fully describes it because there's we have her friend who came forward Michelle who fills in some of those
blanks and has said you know she was with me from you know this time to this time when we were at the pub together.
But one thing where where you where the listeners helped out big time and this is this is going to be important here.
It's something. It's a way of trying to fill out that timeline because there's this thing is still unsolved and maybe
police have never spoke to the guilty party. Maybe the police have never talked to people that know of that
guilty party or what was going on that night. But if we can if together if we can start to correct the timeline and
start to fill in some of those blanks and some of those missing pieces, then maybe that person gets looked at at some
point and maybe we can point people into the right direction. So through some a lot of back and forth and what we have
is some clarification on that evening and it's pretty simple stuff but but follow along.
It's one listener responded on the blog and pointed out, hey, there were two bike shops in that area and what we were
referring to the bike shop was this motorcycle specialties, right, which was located on Warner Road. Now, the person
on our blog stated there were two bike shops, there was a bicycle store and there was a motorcycle store. this
motorcycle specialties. And the the person on the blog said that they believed that both stores were owned by
the same family. Here's what we did. We took that information, took it back to to people
that lived in that area at the time, people that were close to the case, and said, "Look, there seems to be some kind
of discrepancy in the timeline that we delivered on the show, and this person is presenting this tidbit of information
that we would have no way of knowing, not growing up in that area, living in that area at the time.
we want to figure this out and and um see if we can correct this timeline at least for her family and for her friends
that are still being active in this investigation. So, what we figured out was there are in fact two stores.
There's one called Motorcycle Specialties that we mentioned on our show that was located on Warner Road.
the other store that that many in the neighborhood referred to as the bike shop. And remember, Captain, we were
just kind of saying that that people in the neighborhood probably just referred to Motorcycle Specialties as the bike
shop. What they were referring to is another store and this store was just simply called bikes and it was located
on Turney Road. So, a completely different store. I could not get confirmation that the two stores were
owned by the same family. So, that we don't know regarding what the the poster put on our blog,
right? Uh but what we can confirm is this that the other store was called Bikes. It was located on Turney Road.
Now, what's interesting there is in our timeline, we had mentioned that Barbie said that she was going to a party on
Turney Road. And then there's other people saying, "Hey, kids that age and and some young adults were were partying
at this bike shop in a basement at this bike shop." Well, what we were able to figure out is we don't believe that she
was ever at Motorcycle Specialties. We actually believe that the bikes store on Turney Road is where she may have gone
at some point that afternoon or evening because through clarification, what we're told is and we do know the owner
of uh of this of this store, but I'm not no need to give that name out, right? But
what we were told is that the basement remember people would party in the basement of one of these stores. And
I've been told by locals that grew up there at the time that the bikes store on Turney Road was the one with the
basement where people partied at. And for clarification, it sounds like the motorcycle
specialties has nothing to do with that night with that timeline that it was not
Barbie would not have partied there. So interesting stuff. Um, Phil, that's just like when we're growing up, there
was a pizza shop called Johnny's. But if somebody said, "We're going to go hang out at the pizza shop." Pretty much
you'd know that that's the pizza shop you're going to, even though there was multiple pizza shops on that road. Mhm.
It's just you didn't hang out at the other pizza shops. So, it is it is interesting to, you know, try to put
together a story and go, "Well, there's this mo motorcycle shop. Are people hanging out there?"
uh and if so, is there a basement? And then to find out, well, it possibly is this whole other uh bike shop, which uh
you know, the the thing that kind of sucks is obviously there's less people that listen to this show, but is that
would that spark any information to come out, you know, um that it's not the motorcycle shop, but
the actual bike shop? Um I here's my guess. My guess is with how active uh Barbie's family has been with this case,
with her case, and how active a couple of her closer friends were. My belief is, you know, I I like
to I I like to hope that we've uncovered some new information. This is probably information that that made its way to
the right people all those years ago. At least I hope so. if it has not the people that
that I took this information to because I needed to get some some answers and clarification on some things because as
I said I don't know that area during that time frame. So clearing that up, of course, I followed that up with I if if
you even if you believe you've already shared this information with law enforcement, right? Remind them of this
because you may think that you have or misremember that you have or maybe you weren't asked these specific
questions. You know, follow up and and give them this information. Now, well, it could be as simple as too as like if
you have this. Again, we don't know the situation, but you got a bike shop, motorcycle shop. Maybe people hang out
in front of that. Cops would know about that. Maybe they wouldn't know so much about this this bike shop that people
are hanging out in the basement as much. So, you know, is it is it a possibility
that she ended up at both at some point in the night? It's it's possible. I've been told by those same people that
I verified this information with that that motorcycle specialties has nothing to do with this case. That's that's what
their opinion is of of the the case. So, um but right, but my so but my question
is is that because nobody hangs out there? It was it wasn't a hangout spot. from what I've been told is uh Barbie
would not have gone there and and I don't I don't know, you know, I didn't ask for a book report on on uh why
Motorcycle Specialties has nothing to do with it. And and to to be honest with you, once I'm being told that it's a
completely different store on a different road, I mean, that kind of that kind of clears a lot of it up right
right then and there. So, um, but that's those are my favorite favorite comments
and posts to get on the blog is where locals, you know, will go, I remember this case, and, "Oh, I remember the
neighborhood. I grew up near there." And and they'll um include uh pieces of information and stuff that that are
things that that that are important to add on to the case. You know, we talked about uh we had people come forward. it
regarding the apartment complex from the Amy Hooper case and information that's come forward about, you know, Amy
Mahalavic in in the the school systems around there where people had comments throughout the years and and thoughts
throughout the years. So, it's always it's always interesting to me to hear from people that are from the area and
remember the case and remember the neighborhood and things like that and details of such. And I think I hope
anyway and that was the goal when we covered Barbie's case was to stir the pot, shake a few trees and see if
anything falls out. So it was interesting to see that that the pot seems to have been stirred and that
people are remembering this case and talking about it again. And who knows, maybe maybe they can they can revive the
energy. And personally, you know, we talked about this when we covered it. There's rumor
and speculation that this could be one in a series of four killings that it's possible serial killer, undetected
serial killer that was operating in that last 6 months or so of that year in that
area. Personally, I don't think that it's connected to the other three. I know that people close to the case also
suspect differently that there was somebody that knew Barbie, that knew Barbara. And but I'm fine with the
community tagging this in undetected serial killer. anything to get it back in the news into the newspapers and back
into the minds of the people in the community to to get this thing moving because I do think this is one of those
ones, Captain, where where you review the case and yeah, there were some missing parts and pieces from the
timeline and there was a lot of people that she could have been hanging out with at different parts of that night,
which makes it difficult, but but you also look at it and you go, "This thing seems solvable. This seems like it's
something that that they could uh finally get some justice for for Barbara, potentially get a very
dangerous person off of the streets if they've not already been locked up or passed away and get a case off of their
books. It seems like a very very solvable case to me. Well, yeah. Back in high school when you a Friday night, you
didn't have cell phones, so you couldn't you couldn't find out where your friends
were all the time. So sometimes you'd have to go home and, you know, check in. Did somebody call? Where where's
everybody at? Or you'd drive by your friend's houses. We used to do that all the time. Oh, drive by so and so's
house. And then after, oh, no cars are there. Let's drive by so and so's house. So, like you said, there was a million
possibilities really where she could have been hanging out that night. Bike shop, motorcycle shop, any of these
places. She could have drove by, saw somebody, waved, whatever. So, that seems like it it
makes things a little difficult because the timeline's so blurry, but really at the end of the day, we don't need to
even know any of that information. We just need to know the last person that she was with and the and the last, you
know, did she get a ride from somebody or whatever that is. We just need that piece of information.
[Applause]

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Brief Summary

Hosts discuss criticism for not addressing sugar baby angle in McKenzie case and reflect on victim narratives and community involvement in unsolved cases.

Key points

Criticism and Praise. The hosts discuss feedback on their recent episodes, balancing criticism with praise.
The Dangers of Social Media. A discussion on the implications of social media in the context of a true crime case.
Victim Blaming Debate. The hosts navigate the sensitive topic of victim blaming in true crime narratives.
Dave Bliss Controversy. The hosts delve into the actions of coach Dave Bliss following a murder case.
The Blame Game. In the world of college sports, athletes often take the fall for corrupt systems. "The athlete is normally the one that gets thrown under the bus."
A New Lead in an Old Case. Listeners help clarify a timeline in an unsolved case, potentially leading to new insights. "If we can start to correct the timeline, maybe that person gets looked at at some point."

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

Thanks and praise. Thanks and praise.

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Tension

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