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[Music] crime [Music] come on Michael I think they were all four of them were tied
up but I don't remember with what who tied those girls on um Rob all four of them he had had some help he needed some
help he couldn't tie all four up by himself I don't remember if I helped him or not okay you think you might have
helped him I I guess I did okay what were they tied up with come on Michael you know what were
they T just tell us what were they tied up with white it was had I remember being stetched with I think it was a
t-shirt t-shirt okay what else were they tied up with uh t-shirt and go ahead you
remember you remember Michael Wales come on brother you know you know you know t-shirt and I want to say
electrical cord no think harder t-shirt and something else I'm not going to tell you but you
know I want to hear from you I'm trying to remember guys something else this t-shirt is something else and
you have around time up I think I guess I did yeah you did what were the girls wearing by the
time they were tied up what were they wearing Michael that's a gim me yeah that's an easy one not a whole lot not a
whole lot they use their own clothes to tie them up use their own clothes to tie
them up you can rob them by the time you were done what were they wearing say it
nothing nothing there you [Music] go back in December of 1991 in Austin Texas four teenage girls were bound and
killed in a small yogurt shop the store of course was robbed and this is a this is a case that has gripped the City of
Austin Texas and has gripped the the state of Texas as well we are sitting here now 25 years later still asking the
question who killed these girls so a quick recap when the firefighters show up to the I Can't Believe It's Yogurt
Shop they realize quickly it's not just an but we have a quadruple homicide so that's going to be a sign to detective
Jones and detective Huckabee and in my opinion those two detectives I think they worked the case very well they had
a lot of issues here with the with the investigation this being we have people making confessions and that is tough
because a lot of these confessions are pretty wild uh According to Jones and hucke uh they're they're able to easily
quickly sit down with these different people these confessors and figure figure out early in their stories that
they don't know certain details of the crime things that would have taken place that evening or evidence that was left
and collected at the scene they're unaware of what actually took place so we're able to quickly dismiss several of
these confessors 8 days after the murders took place they arrest Maurice Pierce which had a 22 caliber gun which
was the gun used in at least three of the murders and he implements his teenage friends um Jones and hucke kind
of get to the bottom of this guy is just kind of bullshitting yeah and on top of
that the gun does not match the ballistics of the bullets that were found on the scene so they they get rid
of these suspects and they clear them and they've moved on in the case right so leads are starting to dry up now and
in 1992 we have a Madman that's running a muck in the state of Texas he's a known serial killer he was somebody that
was released by the Texas prison system and he's been suspected of new killings well they track him down in
1992 and they suspect that he possibly could have done this crime because he was somewhat in the area around the time
that the crime was committed he would have been in Austin Texas they can place him there about 23 days after the crime
yeah within a month him and another person abduct a lady uh and they rape her and murder her yeah uh she was
abducted from a Downtown Car Wash and this this crime took place the shop murders took place in North Austin city
and that killer's name that serial killer's name is Kenneth McDuff he's eventually you know they stop looking at
him because there's really nothing that ties to him as far as forensics goes in 1994 detective Jones who was the lead
investigator of the yogurt shop murders he receives a promotion and they move him off of the case the case is
considered cold at this point now in 1996 we have other detectives that would move in and start looking at this case
with fresh eyes in 1997 we have a serial killer that is captured he will become known as the fast food killer yeah he
was a pretty bad dude and he was running a muck in the state of Tennessee uh what
his emmo was was he would walk into a fast food restaurant and he would really take the scene over he would he would
take control of the scene by holding a gun to everybody he would make a quick robbery he would usually steal the
surveillance tapes if there were any he would execute all of the persons in the store and then he would leave within a
very short time period from February 16th 1997 to April 23rd 1997 he robbed three different stores
and in the course of he ended up killing a total of seven people yeah and he's not just a suspect because he is known
to rob you know McDonald's or Captain D's and that you know the yogurt shop it would fall kind of in that line mhm he
is also from the area of Texas yeah he was he was born in Texas and at a young age he started getting in trouble with
the law in 1983 he Robs a Houston Steakhouse and he's convicted of aggravated armed
robbery he receives a 20-year prison sentence for this but he's paroled after just 7 years he's paroled in 1990 which
and he stays in the Texas area he becomes a truck driver so he was in the area at you know in ' 91 yes and during
this time he's he's driving a truck he ends up in some kind of bad accident and he receives quite a handsome settlement
for this and he decides that he's going to get some plastic surgery because it's
funny that he said a handsome uh you know and then rolled it into plastic surgery right right well he's kind of an
ugly kid um I'll go ahead and throw that out there and and He makes himself look
a little better and he decides he wants to move to Nashville to become a a country western singer Nash Vegas yeah I
believe he wanted to become the next G Brooks no but he had the talent of Billy Ray Cyrus yeah I that might be that
might be giving him far too much credit uh but there are some reasons to suspect
that he might have done this this is certainly something he would have been capable of however his crimes were a
little bit different in the sense that he he didn't rape anybody involved in these these crimes that he committed up
in Tennessee now I'm not saying he's not capable of doing so it really seems like
his motive was for the money and a financial gain and it wasn't you know where these crimes these yogurt
shop murders really seem like to me more sexual in nature and it just was by you
know well I'm leaving the crime scene I might as well take some money with me as
I go yeah and it at the yogurt shop they only the whoever got away with this they
only took $540 and they spent a decent amount of time there assaulting the girls his
crimes he got into a place he would take as much money as he could most of the time we're talking about upwards of
$2,000 or $3,000 each time and he would he would leave no evidence and he would kill everybody in the store he was quick
in and quick out which is not what we saw in the yogurt shop murders plus he was never known to work with anybody
else I think the yogurt shop it looks like a situation where you have more than one as salent so detectives looking
into Paul Reed they kind of realize he's kind of a lone cowboy he's you know he's
not tag team back again um but this will lead them to go back through their notes and start to
requestion some people that that Jones and Huckabee already questioned back in 91 yeah they're going through the file
they're going over this case time and time again and what they keep going back to is this Maurice Pierce keeps standing
out to them and his three friends that he has Robert Springsteen Michael Scott and Forest wilbourne the East Street
Band yeah so they decide that you know what this is the most likely situation these guys did it uh Maurice Pierce
looks very guilty he has a 22 caliber gun on him just days after the crime he mentions the crime to people he's kind
of a natural born criminal yeah so he is picked up and this would be in October of 1999 they arrest all four men and
they are going to sit each one of them down individually and now we're going to start getting some answers some much
long AWA answers that we've been looking for in this crime well they're going to
start getting answers cuz they're going to force these answers upon these these suspects yeah to say that the
interrogation was aggressive might be an understatement of the century yes um so
what happens is they pull in the four they're talking to him right uh Maurice Pierce has got nothing to offer you know
he keeps saying that NOP I I didn't have anything to do with this I don't know what you're talking about yeah even
though you know Maurice at the time of 90 and ' 91 he was like 15 or so so he's just this Punk kid he had the 22 caliber
he you know basically implements his friends into the the crime but that was just kind of him being a dumb you know
dumbass 15-year-old yeah I believe his statement was that he had lent the gun to Forest wilborne and that Forest had
used the gun in the yogurt shop murders this is what put them on the radar from the get-go now when they're talking to
them as said here here's what their thought is going into this okay so they believe that Maurice Pierce is some kind
of criminal mastermind and he organized this whole uh robbery right and they believe that Robert Springsteen helped
and Michael Scott helped they believe that Forest wilborne would have been the lookout guy or the driver um they
believe that it would have taken a group of men to to commit these crimes now keep in mind though these are just
teenage boys at the time now they're being questioned years later as adults right we have two of them that
might be willing to talk and we have two of them that they don't know anything right Maurice Pierce he doesn't know
anything Forest Wilborn he doesn't know anything they're not admitting to anything in 1999 two of the suspects are
24 uh Michael James Scott is 25 and Forest wellburn is 23 now they get Michael Scott to crack first right and
this is quite the long process we're talking about hours and hours of interrogation and to to listen to the
confession to view it you will see that the story is changing as Michael's telling it uh yeah and if you listen to
the trailer that was about 7 hours into one of the interrogations mhm so where he is they finally broken him down they
finally get him to the point where he admits that he was there that he had taken place in the crime now
he they got to go through the details because they got to confirm that he was actually there well that's the problem
mhm he doesn't know the details no he doesn't get a lot of them right without being coaxed to to getting it right you
know he would often give a wrong answer and they would tell him no that's not it
think harder you need to try harder yeah the detective keeps saying I'm not going
to give you the right answer right yeah not going to give you the right answer but what he does constantly is he tells
you when your answer is wrong so by a process of elimination you're going to get to the right answer oh no they were
tied up with their clothes okay they were tied up with their clothes well what clothes you know uh well maybe this
part of their cloth no wrong you know and he keeps doing that and until he gets the right answer and just to paint
the picture for you if you've not seen the confession tapes MH Michael Scott he is literally sitting with his back up
against the wall I mean he's pushed up against the wall and he has two detectives on each side of him right up
in his face and they're all sitting down in chairs and they are right up in his face and they are very aggressive well
got they got the good cop and bad cop going they got one cop that kind of leans back constantly and then the the
main cop questioning is like maybe a couple inches from his face yeah so every time no no yeah yeah you got the
bad cop saying no you didn't get that right and the good cop is saying it's okay Michael you can tell us we know you
know the answers um so they play that game for quite some time and we let's go through Michael Scott's confession okay
he states that they were all four of them they were hanging out at the North Cross Mall which was very close to the
yogurt shop and that Maurice Pierce is in need of money so he comes up with this idea that we're going to go rob
someplace and he actually picks out the yogurt shop they agree to go to the yogurt shop yeah which is probably a
pretty common place for teenagers in that town because most of the employees there are teenagers he says that the the
event starts off like this Maurice goes into the yogurt shop and places an order
and then Robert and Michael they go in and they ask to use the restroom they want to go to the back of the store to
see what's going on in the back now during that time they're going to open up the back door and they're going to
prop it open and like we have from the reports the back door was propped open and the front door was locked yeah and
they're going to wait for the store to close at 11:00 now after the store closes Maurice and Robert are going to
go back in through the propped open back door and they are going to they have guns at this point and they are going to
rob this place right what ends up happening is during the course of this robbery they ask the women the girls I'm
sorry to remove their clothing uh this being Robert and then Michael Scott He ties up the girls and he gags them then
Maurice he's demanding money from the girls but they refuse or they say something like there is no money and
when this happens Maurice shoots two of the girls Robert then hits one of the girls and he rapes her yeah which again
this all lines up with the reports now the fourth girl is screaming and she's begging for her life she's begging that
they do not shoot her um Michael Scott then pretends to sexually assault her he's saying that he was being told by
the other guys to to rape her and that he he just pretended to sexually assault the girl and he can't remember at this
point which suspect handed him the gun yeah and it's at this point that he does shoot that girl and then he would go on
to shoot Amy who was raped by Robert and at this point Michael Scott then says he
is the one that stacked the body and he also says that he's the one that I think
administers the the accelerant you're exactly right again something that's a little strange because a 24 25y old uh
this is cops speak MH you know a lot of detectives that have looked detectives and lawyers that have looked at these
confessions say it's funny because the the actual written accounts because you have the verbal confessions and we have
those taped and those are horrendous enough but then they have to take all those statements and then now put them
on paper and basically by looking at the the written statements these cops go well it's kind of strange that the these
kids are constantly using cops speak MH yeah it's like they're picking up words as they're going along and and they
state that you know it would have been more common to hear a criminal say lighter fluid rather than accelerant um
at this point they leave the building through the back door uh they leave it propped open and Michael Scott says that
the whole this whole thing only takes about 20 minutes from the time that they enter the building after closing until
they leave now when they get back to the vehicle Forest wilborne is no longer in
the vehicle he is left yeah rumor has it he's off somewhere playing a pretend game of pocket pole yeah actually the
the three boys drive around and they're looking for forest and they find him in a park uh they pick him up and then at
some point they are going to ditch a knife that they had taken from the crime scene
I'm guessing this would have been to cut up some of the girls clothing or belongings to use them as you know
bindings um the other boy that confessed the man now Robert Springstein his confession is similar it does line up
with some of the things that Michael Scott said um one of those one of the key things here is that they both admit
that Robert raped Amy which that's kind of a a percentage kind of kind of thing right when you think about it you have
four asants and one only they're saying only one girl was raped well I mean let's go back a little bit on this
because detectives yeah we have four suspects but detectives are already kind of leading them on to this idea that
well forest was outside mhm that so there now there's only three so you got a 33% chance of getting the person right
that's true that's true yeah and they they both said that forest was outside as well and they both said that the door
the back door was propped open it's a little unclear on Robert's statement as to when he's saying the back door was
propped open was it propped open to get back into the store or was it propped open when they left the store um he also
seems to have some knowledge of the other bullet remember we said there was a second gun used in the situation he
seems to have some kind of knowledge that there was a 38 involved not just this 22 that they were already aware of
right which again all this starts lining up with the reports but again his confession is much shorter much less
detail and there are parts of it you know that do not match up with Michael Scotts uh there are some things that
that these guys do not get right yeah one of the main things that like Defenders of these Austin 4 is what
we'll call them is that it's the you know Robert claims that he they stack the bodies and then he lit the bodies on
fire right the initial reports from the the firefighters uh and the fire chief and the fire investigation was that no
the bodies weren't actually set on fire that it would have been the shelves if you look at the crime scene though
they're right beside each other yeah it they would have been the body stack would have been about you know just four
or five feet from this stock shelf you know where you have plastic cups or I'm sorry styrofoam cups and things of that
nature um it's it's not crazy to to think that maybe this shelf wouldn't have fallen over at some point um but
Michael says that he had used these styrofoam cups with lighter fluid to to light the body stack on fire now what
would end up happening is after they get these confessions um they would go back
and they would find a new fire investigator to take a look at the crime scene and this fire investigator says
you know what I disagree with the previous findings what actually happened is that the the body stack is where the
fire had originated from well this is what is so freaking annoying right I mean we see this time and time again in
these cases that go unsolved most of the time when a case goes unsolved it's because these detectives not not Jones
not hucke but these detectives go on this uh this Mission we have a theory now let's prove the theory and like
we've always heard uh some of the smartest detectives that we've met and that we've interviewed you know trying
to do our job a little bit better on the podcast get some Insider information it's the guys that say look
I am not smart enough to to imagine what happened so I let the evidence present itself to me and present the story to me
yeah you follow the evidence you don't come up with the theory Theory and make the shoe fit right and and some of the
detectives that we've talked to in the columus PD have been really good about this and the idea that they've even said
hey look when you're working on a hom side you might have two three detectives involved sometimes more right and
they've talked several times about how they've had uh Partners or people that they've thought really highly of that
would come up with theories M and then they'd have to rope them back in hey man you're just you're just trying to make
the shoe fit knock it off this is not Cinderella right right and the the thing here is here's some other things that
don't actually fit right and these are things in their written confession so we have the the back door was propped open
one thing that they could not agree on was what did they use to prop open the back door one had said it was a rock one
had said that it was a pack of cigarettes the problem being here is that again according to their story the
door would have been propped open on two different occasions so it's possible that both items were actually used well
and let's let's just remind the listeners I mean this is this questioning is happening in
1999 and not 1991 mhm so some of your account is going to be off right now one thing that that they couldn't get right
too was they had said that the murders took place inside the office well this was a big red flag to the original
detective that was on the case detective Jones because he states that when the police arrived on the scene there was no
evidence that anyone had entered that office it was a locked door and it was locked when they arrived um the murders
100% took place place in the back room in that stocking area in that prep area that we had talked about and they
probably know that for well again this case is so tough because of the arson MH and and because the firefighters did not
know that they were going into a a crime scene and because they were trying to put out that that those fires that
probably really Disturbed uh any blood splatter MH so it you know we can't say 100% that that's where that happened but
what we can say is that when detective showed up on the scene 100% that office was locked and they had to actually get
a key from somebody to unlock lock that office which makes a lot of sense because who is left in charge of
shutting down the yogurt shop two teenage girls right and and so the manager I'm sure would go okay I'm going
to lock this up or or maybe that was part of their Duty you know you put the money away lock it up um but I don't
think there was a key on on site and then I don't think there was a key to the office that even the the the teenage
girls had well and keep in mind too this under this premise right according to their story the whole reason anything
took place there that night was because it was a robbery the motive was to rob the store and get money which I think
both of us agree that that wasn't the motive I I don't think so you're exactly right the thing here is though Captain
if the if the whole motive was robbery remember we're saying that they were inside that store under their own words
for 20 minutes M I would argue that it might be closer to an hour that somebody was in the store but regardless there
was a lot of things that took place once that store closed MH and and a lot of things happening and I can't I wouldn't
be able to sit here and have somebody tell me that there was a key in that store or that there was access to the
key to the robbers and that they didn't go into the office looking for more money or valuables if that if if robbery
was the motive now Michael Scott did get the um the positioning of the bodies correct he he had a good idea of that as
well as he did know that Amy was not on the body stack he knew that that she she
was in a separate area the problem I have with this statement and this is exactly what the police said they said
you know he got he got the body positioning right that that's really tough to do and I will give them that
but here's where I have a problem one thing he did not get right is he didn't he wasn't able to fully describe the
layout of the store so yeah maybe you could get the positionings of the bodies right but how could you get the
positionings of where they were inside the store you see what I'm saying with if you don't even know or understand the
layout of the store well and there's a lot of things and we'll we'll get right back into uh not only what did they got
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the confessions got right right and the things that they got wrong uh continuing
on that path here I want to spend a little bit of time talking about this 38 you know we had mentioned that Michael
Scott doesn't seem to know about a second gun he never mentions anything about the 38 however Robert is aware of
the 38 um and this is presented as a problem for these young men and for their their eventual prison sentence
right because this this supposed 38 which we know existed however the police are saying this was a fact that they
kept close to them that the people in the general public would not have known about that I I tend to disagree a little
bit with that statement because as we had said there had been 50 confessions and one thing that the police state was
with with anybody that seemed to have knowledge of the crime they went out and looked for the 38 because they had other
confessors say that you know I dumped the gun here well and we also have four teenage boys and the murder victims were
four teenage girls so we're talking about a lot and and now 8 years have passed so you have eight years of a uh
not a small town I mean this is about uh half a million people in Austin at this
in ' 91 but you have a lot of people in this community talking about this this was
huge news for them so there is a lot of talk so that there is there is a very good possibility that they one heard
that there was more than one weapon and and not and and also we're not talking about just four kids that have not been
involved in this crime we're talking about four teenage boys that were basically arrested or brought in for
questioning 8 days after the event yeah yeah so they may have been told about the 38 then I mean if you're sitting in
a room 8 years ago and somebody's asking you well what about the other gun what about this uh wasn't there a 38 involved
and and you're saying at that time you don't know anything about it well it's easy to jump to that conclusion when
your backs up against the wall and you're being you're being forced to give answers that that you might not have any
knowledge of well and you got this detective you know 2 in from your face and I mean he might have bad breath who
knows but the fact of the matter is you know the the main point of all these confessions that is so blatant is that
yeah they did get some stuff right but how did they get that stuff right right they didn't just say something
you know uh a perfect example in the trailer is when he says well yeah they were bound up by I want to say
electrical cord right right and he goes nope that's not it they got to majority of these right answers by the the
detectives kind of forcing it MH yeah they're they're really you can hear you can hear especially Michael Scott you
can hear him kind of guessing answers and then he's looking to them for approval you know did I get that one
right it's almost like it's almost like a kid in school hoping to get the right answer from the teacher holding the
textbook and and the teacher keeps asking questions and saying no that's not it try it again and and he keeps
changing his answers or modifying his answers to get closer to what the police know to be true now on that 38 we do
have Robert who does claim that they dumped it somewhere and of course they go and look for it now mind you it's
eight years later I've had I've heard people say well this this proves that they're innocent well the gun easily
could have disappeared from wherever they placed it8 years ago right um but but again we have this situation where
they are arriving at answers these aren't answers that they walked in and sat down with the other thing that I
have a problem with here is you still have two guys that haven't confessed to anything right you have two guys you
have two guys that claim to know very much about the crime and two guys that seem to know nothing and even when they
are are presented by investigators well we know you did it because so and so told us this and told us that they hold
true and they sit there and say nope I I wasn't there I don't know what you're talking about the the other thing too
regarding Michael Scott's confession is that part on the tape where he says you know he's asked who was there with you
right and and he he names two of the other people he names I you know I was there with Maurice I was there with
Robert and I was there with Forest and he and he says it in a way that he's like asking a question I'm Ron bergundy
yeah and they take it as okay well now we got the four people that we wanted to hear we wanted to hear all four of those
names why because you have to go back to 1991 when they originally questioned these guys they need force to be there
why because the reason why they picked up Maurice and started questioning him about the yogurt shop murders is because
he said he lent the gun to Forest and Forest had used it in the yogurt shop murders that's what put them on the
radar so they really needed Maurice to be there as well as Forest even if those two didn't confess to anything right and
with Forest I mean it's pretty simple I mean the his interview um you know I I believe it's with dat line I found very
compelling and and very believable because he's pretty much saying look I was not going to lie and and and and
especially not going to lie about this mhm and there's no way I did this so there is no way you're going to get get
me to say that now this is what this is what's weird cuz the community and obviously the victim's parents are going
to start going well these guys are monsters right these guys are savages and um and they need to be locked away
you know maybe death penalty and and because a lot of people have a really hard time wrapping their head around why
would you confess to a crime that you didn't commit mhm and I would like to believe that that would would just not
be possible with me mhm but you know nobody would know this until you were actually in that situation I had a
situation many years ago where I was uh observing a trial right and I had I was close to ATT an attorney that was
involved in the trial and they put one person on the stand and this is before it got to an actual jury trial because
they were trying to determine if they should just plea this thing out or if it should go to a jury trial and one of the
the the attorney was representing a person who wanted it to go to a jury trial the defendant wanted it to go to a
jury because they believed they were innocent now I don't know what actually took place but I was in the hallway and
I overheard what the attorney was saying to the defendant the attorney was saying
let's plea this thing out and the defendant was adamant no it's got to go to a jury because I'm innocent I'm not
pleading to anything right and the attorney said well the reason why I'm saying we should plead to this is
because they're offering a very low plea bargain you know it's something small like pay a fine and we pretend this
never happened right right he's saying let's just take this penalty and agree to it why because the the man that was
just on the stand that was on he was on the stand for almost the course of a whole day and he said you do not want
him to be on the stand in a jury trial and the defendant said well he's lying and the attorney said he might be lying
but here's my perception of this guy okay and this is what I believe a jury will think this guy comes off as not
being very bright he comes off almost to be too dumb to lie where he he he would
be perceivably believable to a jury an audience of such of a jury uh and I I found this to be something that I kind
of kept in the back of my mind when I was when I was reviewing stuff regarding Forest wilborne because we have a guy
here that never confesses to anything right M and and on top of that we have we have we have people from dine we have
investigators from the original investigation that that they all claim that you know Forest is not a bright guy
you know he's not a smart guy you know he couldn't organize a a two-car parade uh he here's the way he strikes me and
and I feel bad for the guy because not only was he brought to and and faced charges regarding this crime but on top
of that then publicly he's put down for for his mental capabilities or whatever they are right and I don't to look I
think it's just frankly insulting I mean he seems he seems like a a nice character and at the end of the day uh
he was smart enough not to confess to a crime he didn't commit and the big problem I have with his portion of this
okay he is stating I was never there he he never admits to anything right now you
got two guys that place him at the scene now okay now wouldn't investigators say
okay let's make a deal with Forest let's make a deal with him because guess what
Forest we know you were there we were told by these other guys that you sat out in the car you didn't have any
involvement with the actual rape the actual tying up of the girls the actual robbery the actual killing of anybody
you were just on the outs of the building waiting for these other guys to return and by their own Omission when
they when they returned to the vehicle or returned outside of the yogurt shop you had fled the scene you you clearly
didn't want any involvement with this right Forest right so Forest why don't you tell us the truth and we might be
able to Grant you immunity or we might be able to Grant you a slap on the wrist and and because had they got a third
confession that would have been that would have been Paramount in this case right right
but Forest has something going for him in this case yeah you got two guys confessing and saying that you're
involved in the case but you got another one of the individuals saying oh yeah by
the way he wasn't there cuz I wasn't there and this [ __ ] didn't happen right right the other thing too is I want to
know more about the timeline one thing that they don't go for in the confession they want to know details of the actual
crime but one thing that they fail to do is to wrap these guys up and on a specific timeline and what I mean by
that is we have Michael Scott who says that the whole thing took about 20 minutes from the time we entered the
building to the time that we left the building well what do we know we know that the doors were locked at 11:00 p.m.
and we know that around midnight the Flames were seen and firefighters were responding to a to a fire call well okay
so that's 1 hour well now let's go ahead and look at what the neighbor said Remember the neighbor had said that we
have a situation here where we get a summary of his report of that night and it would be nice to have the full report
because the neighbor states that he had heard some popping noises thought something was a noise was coming from
the roof he went outside to investigate and that's when he saw the door propped open along with a
fire okay well here's here's a little bit of an issue with that what time did they enter the building could could we
could we have had them narrow that down during this confession because that seems to me to be an important part of
it because it it may not line up with what the neighbor is saying well I right which I understand all that but at the
end of the day this confession doesn't mean [ __ ] to me on the idea that this all this information was force-fed to
them and if you don't believe that uh one of the things is when they're talking about oh well then then I put a
gun to this girl's head right M and uh then the detective goes behind I can't remember which one it was it Michael
Michael he goes behind Michael's head and puts a freaking gun to his head yeah and and so then the then the detective
is on records saying well I didn't put a gun to his head I put my finger on his head no no you you you showed the
suspect a gun you then put something on the back of his head I've seen the video
footage it looks like he put a freaking gun on his head yeah and not only that He Walks Behind Michael to do so so so
Michael may not have known even if it was n't a gun you would assume it would be a gun you know right and I understand
that the community is outraged and that they want answers and all that stuff but
you are making up a bunch of malarkey right and uh and so then you know just to fast forward we can't charge two of
them because we don't have confessions and we don't have any forensic evidence linking these individuals to the crime
and maybe part of that is due to the arson but now we're going to put these two men on trial the other two are just
going to be let go yeah so yeah quick breakdown of that is we have Robert who confessed Michael who confessed okay so
they're in a whole heap of trouble we have Maurice does not confess to anything he's he's originally charged
however they could not get an actual indictment they couldn't get anybody to bring it to court because of a few
things he didn't confess and on top of that the gun that he was was found on his person 8 days after the crime did
not match the ballistic test so he's he's released because of that and never fully tried for for this crime now we
have Forest now he's in the same boat he did not confess to the crime and the thing that's going to get him off was
remember he way back in the day back in 1991 8 days after the crime after they pick him up and they're talking to him
he actually hooked him they hooked him up to a polygraph which he passed on that day this would be one of the
reasons that the original investigators would let him go but this would also be a reason that they couldn't try him for
this 8 years later well and another thing that I find really interesting is as they're going through this process
you you got detective Jones and you got detective Huckabee saying hey we we question these guys we know what's up
these guys shouldn't be looked at why the hell are you guys bringing them to trial right and and they and then they
see you know then obviously they get to see the footage of their interrogation and realize this is uh you know
just just watch it it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that this this is awful detective work so Robert
and Michael would go forward and they would be charged with these crimes now what takes place in their trial is uh
Robert they basically use Michael's statement his confession against Robert and they use Robert's confession against
Michael and they're tried separately however not neither of those guys are called to the stand in those
trials so what takes place is you have Robert who is sentenced to death and it's later commuted to life because they
they decide that you know what he was a teenager when the crime was committed and you can't you know you can't charge
a um uh a child and sentence them to death now with with Michael he's sentenced to life in
prison what ends up happening is in 2006 these convictions are overturned because
you you have we have the right to address our people that accuse us of stuff and because neither of these guys
were called to the stand they weren't able to cross-examine what they had stated therefore you have to overturn
these charges all right so 8 days after these crimes are committed that these teenage
boys are called in 8 years later they are questioned again then they go on trial they are put away sentenced to
life in prison or death penalty which is then overturned and then several years of being in jail they are released based
off of yeah they're not fully released what they do is they they they hold them because they're going to try them again
right and now we're going to do it the right way is what we're going to do well they're being held for quite some time
yeah of course they don't make it it's just like with Adon Sayad right mhm you know everybody got so excited right
that that you know he's going to get an actual trial and I think you know the True Crime Community uh whether or not
you think he's innocent or guilty everybody agrees that the trial was ridiculous right right and the evidence
they had against this kid was ridiculous questionable yeah very questionable and
so now we have a situation where he's just sitting mhm right he's sitting and waiting right basically he's still in
prison the whole time you know you know which is ridiculous and the same thing's
Happening Here Yeah and not only that you have the right to a speedy trial and these guys have already been in prison
for quite some time I'm sure they would like to be out you know while they wait for their new trial right but during
this holding time what do we have we get we get a little forensic evidence we get
some DNA well yeah this all kind of comes to a close all the about the same time because eventually the judge comes
at the prosecutor and says look you've got to put together case against these guys and you got to do it soon we're not
just going to hold them forever while you wait to try them and they were ready to take and I I'm going to get the names
wrong or or the order wrong but they were ready to go forward on the trial with one of the suspects I believe it
was Robert right and then with the other one they weren't ready M and so that was
the thing was well if you guys aren't ready we'll screw you right you know if you're not ready then you need to
release this guy and at the same time like we said forensic comes up and then they take uh DNA test yeah they they
have DNA technology that was not available back to to them back in 1991 Now using this technology they they
have DNA and this is male DNA obviously and they are able to determine that the DNA that they found in Amy does not
match that of Robert now we have that makes a big problem with both of their confessions because they both said that
Robert raped Amy um furthermore this DNA does not match any of the four right and
this becomes a big problem cu the only you know so the confession we know are wrong we know that they they pushed him
into that you know they pushed Robert to claim that he raped the girl which you know I think um would be a very
difficult thing to admit to doing um but nonetheless you know that that part of the story doesn't line up right but now
on top of that we got five people people well yeah this is this is the prosecutor
pivoting and saying okay well we can roll with that new evidence right right yeah instead of going hey let's try to
find the truth hey let's just make up this you know fictitious person you we we have you know in this case we have
pretend rape and we have fictitious people and now you there was no mention in 1991 of of a fifth person police
never there was never a fifth person then all of a sudden now there's a fifth person these guys are still guilty these
guys are still guilty there's just a fifth person we never heard of M I mean this is just ridiculous so what then
happens is they're released yeah in in 2009 uh they are released and um rightfully so and the case does not die
there I mean it does not end there because what would end up coming out later would be that we would have the
attorneys the two defense attorneys they come out and they say you know what there is evidence that there is a second
and a possible third male DNA that was found at the scene right and we had always we had always suspected that more
than one of the girls was actually sexually assaulted right and the that's what the defense attorneys are saying
now the prosecutor and law enforcement have never outwardly stated that they've always stuck to there's been one set of
DNA that did not match any of the four guys therefore there must have been a fifth guy there yeah but once they do
the DNA testing they have to present that evidence to the defense teams well and on top of that these def these
defense attorneys are saying not only did this second and possible third DNA that was found not you know it didn't
match these two guys it didn't match any of the four right so now how many people
are you going to start claiming were were there committing this crime and now and right and now we have two
individuals that were arrested and spent time in jail and they can go after um restitution yeah they could go after
restitution the the the issue here though is the state of Texas has a clause basically stating that just to be
released from prison or to have an to have a conviction overturned does not mean that you are do restitution you
have to actually be proven innocent which is going to be very hard to do especially when you have these false
confessions that are still lingering and you have a public and a law enforcement
and a prosecutor that still think that these confessions are valid right but you took the chance on doing the DNA
test and it didn't match right the the glove don't fit you must have quit right um so I think that's the proof that's
the proof that you're innocent who cares about the false confession because not only did we have these two false
confessions we had what any you know 50 well 50 to 60 reported I mean so it's it's just basically you
know it's it makes our system seem like such a joke and I'm sure there's people listening in other countries just going
what the hell is wrong with the America's well we have law enforcement down there that still want to try these
guys for for this crime which is well and that's the other thing is the when these guys get out of prison right they
say this ain't over because 10 years from now they might come knocking at our door and and that's kind of why they're
like actually moving forward with you know trying to prove that they're innocent so we don't have to deal with
this anym more one of the one of the people that they suspected is actually dead now he's passed away this very
interesting story so in 2010 this is Maurice Pierce remember he was the one that they thought was The Mastermind of
this whole crime that organized the whole thing and in December of 2010 he's pulled over by a Austin police officer
and and well two police officers I apologize now his family would claim that that because he was in imprisoned
and let's say imprisoned because he was held for quite some time while they were
trying to bring him him to trial even though they ultimately did not um he's stating you know that they have he has
some kind of anxiety and all kinds of issues from having been what he believes is harassed by the police right and um
there's a situation here where he's pulled over and this this traffic stop does not go well for anybody he freaks
out and he he takes off on foot and eventually one of the officers catches up to him and
now we've got a fight going and during the course of this fight Maurice pulled a knife off of the officer and he
stabbed the officer in the neck the officer then shot Maurice which don't yeah don't bring a knife to a gunfight
well he didn't even bring the knife first of all well don't take the guy's knife that has a gun but there's all
there's all kinds of bad problems here the the than thankfully the officer survived and I don't lay any fault on
the officer I I believe he he has to defend himself and I think he did the right thing the only problem is would
Maurice have had these issues had he not lived this type of Life had he not gone
down yeah but you know what came first the chicken or the egg I mean what we do know was he was carrying around a gun in
a mall right when he was a kid when he was a kid not when he was not on the tra traffic stop right but what I'm saying
is like it's you know he was kind of doing this [ __ ] way before you know so the more of the story don't do
[ __ ] and you won't have a [ __ ] life yeah he put himself In Harm's Way okay so we have three of the four still
alive and like we've talked about before we had these 50 to 60 confessions so uh
what we do want to bring up is that we had a very odd confession by a guy that we already talked about in this case
yeah and one of those is from Kenneth McDuff now he was the broomstick killer he was the one that we said was possibly
in the area at the time of the crime M he would have been very capable of this crime because he killed many many women
and he did all of that in the state of Texas yeah and he sometimes worked with other indiv individuals yeah and one
thing that he did that that that is kind of interesting here right he never admits to anything right he never
confesses to any of his crimes he's they had to bring him to trial for every one
of these crimes and he's convicted of them and it's not until leading up to his his execution that he starts talking
to police now this is just within days or weeks of his execution now he's executed November 17th 1998 M during
this time around right around this time there's an anonymous source that comes forward that tells an Austin TV station
this is kvu TV station that McDuff confessed to the yogurt shop murder murders okay and
but they also go on to say that the investigators are having a problem with this because he got certain key details
wrong about this crime right but it's also years and years I seven years later now let's keep in mind though and a guy
that did multiple murders he was asked by the original investigators he was questioned back in '92 by the original
Jones yeah and and he actually tells them now now at this point he hasn't really confessed to anything right but
he tells the two of them had I done that murder I would have confessed to it why
because I would have been proud of it right you know that's this is a kind of a hole that we're dealing with here
right now here's where I have a big problem with the whole Kenneth McDuff thing right his name first of all it's
an anonymous source tells a TV station right right sounds a little [ __ ] it's very fishy first of all we know
from doing this show for so long and from the people listening to the show for so long TV stations newspapers sucks
they make things up sometimes J you know it would be very easy to say you know we
cannot we cannot tell you our source but someone came forward and stated that he
confessed to these crimes I mean that would be big news that would sell papers that would get people to T tune into
your TV station the other problem that I have with this crime is but leading up to his
execution he ends up admitting to everything he ends up leading them to bodies that they hadn't found yet right
why wouldn't he just confess to this one as well he he he he stood to gain nothing or lose Nothing by confessing to
this well it sounds like he did confess to it though no he he didn't law enforcement would come out and actively
say he did not confess to this it was only the media that stated that McDuff had actually confessed to the yogurt
shop murders it's simply put they have DNA test his DNA yeah well you have you have the um the head of the Texas
Department of Justice his name is Glenn Castleberry he actually says in a press conference old Castleberry he says when
he's asked did Kenneth McDuff confess to the yogurt shop murders he says no he did not I've never heard that from
anyone that McDuff said anything no reliable source exactly look the the maybe he didn't confess to it
because of their ages you know you have two 17year olds a 15-year-old and a 13-year-old I mean maybe that's one of
the reasons why he didn't confess again you have DNA test his DNA he he had been
convicted of killing teenagers before right I understand he was convicted of it but what I'm saying is
maybe that's one of the reasons he I I would have to go back and look at all his confessions to different cases you
know what I mean so like did he con did he confess oh I did kill this 30-year-old woman but did he you know so
which which crimes did he commit that he that he confessed to and what were those
ages of those victims and maybe he's just not going to confess to uh the crimes against teenagers a couple of
thoughts on McDuff you know yesterday you and I were talking off Mike and you had stated you know when we went through
the description of the of the man that was seen in the army fatigue jacket right that was standing in line and he
ultimately just or orders a soda and he's acting weird right um that description did match you know we talked
about how it it vaguely matched Kenneth McDuff the issue is it matched Kenneth McDuff
if McDuff were about 20 years younger you know the he he is a white man he does have the pointy nose he has the
clear deep voice clean shaven with dark hair you know he matches all no Scruff the only problem is McDuff is about 63
and a half 64 and and when I so he's about 4 in taller than what Croft described the man in the army fatigue
jacket as so that's an issue he's also about 20 years older than and I don't think that you would have mistaken his
age because at the time that McDuff was out and running around Not only was he killing women but he was also drinking
heavily and smoking crack so I imagine that he probably after serving after serving almost 20 years in prison having
a crack addiction I'm guessing he he does not look like a young 45 you know what I mean and on top of that he's
balding in the front and balding in the back by this time so I don't you would mistake him for no party in the front no
party in the back no party at all with Kenneth McDuff yeah the other problem I have with him being the person that
committed this crime it he his thing is he would have extended periods of rape and torture on
his victims and what I mean by that is every one of his victims he abducted them from one location and took them
with him somewhere spent a good amount of time with them before he killed them MH my issue with this crime is Kenneth
McDuff I don't think would have had the ability to walk away from these victims I don't think he would have been able to
kill them on site and leave them there I think he would have seen this as an opportunity to take four girls with him
someplace else and do you know his whatever he does yeah which I see your theory I think the the problem is um
when you take in you know when you take over this uh yogurt shop that maybe there was something that happened uh
where he had to change his plans it's all I'm saying is that you know uh these parents deserve some
answers uh the victims deserve uh justice and and and they wouldn't get it if it was McDuff I mean the just me the
Justice would already be done but at least we'd have some closure so and and I I don't know tons about DNA so it's
maybe it's an issue where they don't want to test it too much because then eventually it goes away but uh I I think
he's somebody that they I think they should at least test well and it's a little unclear here too because we we've
had these very general statements that come out regarding this case because we have two people what even though I don't
think it's likely that Kenneth McDuff did this crime and as well as I don't think that it's likely that the fast
food killer did this crime and one point of that being that that he never raped any of his other victims uh
there was there was rape that happened in this situation I'm not saying he's above it or that he's not capable of it
it just doesn't seem to fit what the two of them did time and time again right the problem here though that I have is
the immediate question goes well did they did they test the DNA against McDuff or against the fast food killer
and we get these very general statements from people very close to the case investigators authors
media people right basically what their statement is is that they've tested this
DNA against hundreds of suspects so anybody that they thought could have been involved in this crime has been
tested well that's a very blanketed statement I would love to hear someone just outright say Kenneth McDuff we
tested it against his it didn't match right you know uh Reed the fast food killer we tested it against his and
there is no match yeah I think with Reed there there doesn't seem to be as many connections
now we have a public and we have a law enforcement that is still hung up on these four guys they still want to find
a way to charge them we have the original investigators well it's very much like like we said West Memphis 3
there's a innocent side for West Memphis 3 there's a guilty side same thing with
the Austin 4 we have the original investigators and we have attorneys and people close the case that are saying
you know what if if you want to solve this thing M it's very solvable because we have DNA and maybe at some point that
this hits on some computer somewhere else in the country or maybe even in the great state of Texas and we figure out
who did this that way but in time if we if we sit around and wait for that we're
doing nothing productive in the in the process so what these investigators original investigators and attorneys
people close to the case are saying the way to solve this case is to go back and
review what you know throw those confessions out go back and review the evidence and see where it takes you well
we have a big chunk of evidence right here that points to who committed this crime now we talked about police
interviewing the customers that came in that day so we have an issue here though
because I don't know how with it being 1991 and they're not being surveillance you know I don't know how they they
interviewed all of these people they must have did a a a public call to action and say you know if you were here
on this day come in so we can talk to you now they can check certain sales to verify if people were there or not and
the thing here is though they have two people that that they never speak to two people that are unidentified and that's
it for that entire day and who are those two guys those are the two guys that the
married couple said that they saw still in the store just minutes before closing
time mhm the two weirdos without yogurt yeah they're sitting in a booth and they're drinking cans of soda mm M so we
have all kinds of issues here the first being that the law enforcement has never
publicly laid out the description of these two men they've left it very vague which I have a problem with it's 25
years later let's let's release that description if if that married couple gave you a good description let's
release it why did those guys not come forward okay and first of all I want to throw in another thing here we have that
that other unidentified man that was in the Army jacket that was seen just around 10:00 that night he had ordered a
soda as well now we get a description of him from that former police officer officer Croft now one could one could
assume that if you have two guys later that are claimed to be the only two that were not identified yet you have this
guy in the Army jacket that earlier was in the store and he's not been identified well he must have been one of
those two men would be what I would surmise he doesn't have to be he could have been sent in first to case the
place and then two other guys are sent in later and they're kind of observing everything but they're going to be the
ones to take over you open up the back door and then the Army the Army Savage guy that just goes takes a pee uh well
what I mean he comes through because what we do have evidence of and and this would be another thing that I think law
enforcement has to come out with mhm it's do you have DNA from two people or do you have DNA for three people you're
exactly right and and I agree with that statement but but here's where here's where I arrive at the conclusion that
the man in the Army jacket is one of the two men that was seen right at closing time and that being that we have
statements from law enforcement saying that there were only two unidentified customers for that day yet we have two
separate stories taking place one with two guys one with one guy so that would be three unidentified customers for that
day what they're stating is there's two so I'm arriving at the conclusion that the army fatigue jacket guy is one of
those people seen sitting at the booth drinking a can of soda right before closing time mhm the other thing that
you and I have discussed too is what is the motive here well the motive becomes very important when you cannot determine
what actually took place right we we we both agree that we think the motive here
was rape MH is that correct yeah I think it was sexual yeah we we don't think that this the motive was robbery why
because of the small amount of money two they never broke into the office and and
and three they could have just taken the money and left had everything gone their
way now one would argue that it was a robbery gone wrong I get the argument however what I'm stating here is that I
see a situation where you have two teenage girls closing a store on a Friday night all right they they claimed
that it was very important to go back and talk to every customer from that day I get that but what I'm getting at is I
wonder if they talked to the customers from the previous Friday if if the in fact the motive was rape somebody knew
that that store was being operated by two teenage girls that were unattended by anybody else they they see this is
the opportunity yeah but if they didn't question anybody on other days that attended the yogurt shop uh that
information is long gone and those Witnesses are long gone and if they did come forward how reliable would they be
that's correct that's correct the but the thing here is I'm going to stick on motive for a while okay the other issue
is if if the motive was in fact rape well then there was a murder that was used to cover up this rape and
furthermore a fire that was set to cover up the rape and the murders now what we
do know one bit of evidence that we do know is that the lighter fluid that was used to set the fire was not present in
that store until this robbery took place therefore whoever did this crime brought
the accelerant into the store with them right this seems a little pre-planned to
me I wouldn't bring lighter fluid to a robber well that's why there's a lot of speculation in the the City of Austin
that for some reason that this was some kind of insurance fraud or or or some kind of Scandal like that yeah and I've
I've heard those arguments the thing that that I have a problem with on those is that why stick around and do the rape
then if that's if that's the actual case you know I mean because there's some sick individuals yes I I get that
there's plenty of sick individuals but but a job is a job you see what I'm saying it it would make more sense to me
no that's it's called a crime not a job but crime they're hired to commit this crime and it would make more sense to me
to get in there do the job and leave rather than to spend amount of time in the crime scene yeah and and normally I
like to go down those you know conspiracy rabbit holes this just seems Captain conspiracy captain conspir for
the last time people I was I was just trying to be nice to Alex Jones and say I was fans of the captain doesn't like I
really do not like Alex Jones I just watched a couple sometimes I'm just glad that we got to bring up Captain
conspiracy for a second because sometimes yes I go down a couple rabbit holes and I watch his videos I do
believe he has an agenda I do not like that agenda I think a lot of the stuff he brings up is complete Malarkey hor
[ __ ] Alex Jones bad jib bad jib I do not like his jib I I I'm just saying that
overall I don't think he's like some horrible person and deserves to die or anything I think he has kids and and
he's trying to make a living and and I think he's he's his agenda is money and all this other [ __ ] you know he says
a bunch of [ __ ] for money anyways what the captain's trying to say here is that the insurance scheme the insurance
conspiracy is far-fetched at best right it's farfetched like a lot of Alex Jones's ideas yeah and so it that would
be a whole it take us a whole another day or two to explain that whole conspiracy to you so we we don't believe
in it and we don't need to go through why all right go on yeah back to my rant so I think here all I'm trying to say
right I just want to go into the short quick theory of it right the two guys that were seen in the shop just before
closing I think they were sitting at the booth I don't think anybody ever re-entered the building afterwards I
think that they one of them got up locked the front door the other one approached the register if you look at a
diagram of the actual crime scene they were sitting in the booth that was closest to the register at the crime
scene photos that are shown later that booth that table is the only table that sits there with an empty napkin
dispenser right they we we said that the the women the couple had stated that they had saw the girls refilling the
napkin dispensers right the only one that wasn't filled was the one at this table the only one that didn't have a
chair put on top of the table was this table as well I think they got up and they took control of the situation I
think they were targeting the two teenage girls that were there I think the motive was sexual I think that
unfortunately the other two younger victims just happened to be there that night that was a variable that they had
not planned on I do think that the army fatigue jacket guy did go back to the restrooms at some point because that
area is blocked off from the rest of the store he wanted to double check that there was actually nobody back there
there wasn't a male manager or additional staff back there that night they wanted to carry out what what they
were going to do I also think that the what kept throwing me off was this back door situation okay because in the
confession of these guys they state that they had left the back door open and came in later and police and
firefighters find this back door open the thing here is what I was able to figure out last night is that the the
building did have a sprinkler system I think that this back door was just basically left open to let that fire
burn as long as it possibly could to burn off as much evidence as possible before that sprinkler system would kick
on and maybe possibly put out the fire and possibly just the way they left as well yeah it could have just been Happ
stance we're going to leave here and and and just you know leave it open it makes
some sense yeah now one one thing here Captain I'll throw a whole little conspiracy since you like them so much
right yeah all right so we have the neighbor the neighbor statement I would love to hear what that full statement is
or read that full statement because I have some problems with that statement this guy says he never hears any screams
he says he hears popping noises and he goes outside to investigate and he sees the door open and that's when he sees
the fire now I want to know how long it was from the time that he said he heard the popping noises to the time that he
went outside and saw the fire because we know that it took some time for this event to take place if he went out
immediately and saw the fire that when then that story is complete Malarkey that would make no sense because then he
would he would have seen The Killers leaving the building fleeing the building which he did not say that he
saw anybody here's a little thing here uh I hope that they tested the DNA of that store owner next door okay I think
you're reaching there but uh yeah I'm sure I think at the end of the day they have this DNA and any possible suspects
instead of trying to get people to falsely confess M how about you just test that DNA yeah that's really the
only good thing in this entire story here is that they have DNA I think they'll catch this person or persons
eventually well hopefully I I believe this family and um and the victims like I said deserve justice and and deserve
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Austin Yogurt Shop Murders /// Part 2 /// 82

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In 1991- Austin, Texas 4 teenage girls were bound and killed in a small yogurt shop. The store of course was robbed. Four teenage boys would later be arrested and two of them found guilty of the murders. These convicted killers were eventually released when new evidence showed that the state's case was wrong. Now over 25 years later this case remains unsolved. Who killed these girls? Some still argue police had it right years ago, when they questioned the four boys and later arrested them. Some investigators suggest the killer or killers are unknown to law enforcement. Some point toward an insurance fraud scheme reaching high levels of the local judicial system.

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the 1991 yogurt shop murders and the flawed investigation leading to wrongful confessions.

Key points

Rosetta Stone's Language Learning. A program that focuses on real conversations in 25 languages.
The Yogurt Shop Murders. A quadruple homicide that has haunted Austin for decades, leaving many questions unanswered.
Confessions and Contradictions. Confessions from Robert and Michael reveal inconsistencies in their stories about the crime.
The Role of Evidence. The importance of following evidence rather than fitting theories to it is emphasized.
The Mystery of the 38. The existence of a second gun complicates the confessions and the investigation.
Community Reaction. The community's perception of the accused boys as monsters raises questions about justice.

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Episode quotes

Who killed these girls?

The lingering question surrounding the yogurt shop murders.

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Tension

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