Alvin and Judith Ann Neelley Part2 | Morbid | Podcast | Forensic Files

hey weirdos I'm Elena I'm Ash and this is [Music] morbid woo it is morbid yeah it's super morbid
because um it's part two right yeah it's part two of Alvin and Judy Neely two [ __ ]
monstrosities yeah this is it's a rough one I hope you guys were how you doing after part one yeah you okay I know it's
just like this one there's not a large you know body count here but my goodness the one the victims are just first like
to have them be children yeah and the way they do it is just like nothing it really bothered me did they go after
another teenager child in this one um no okay but it's it's another young woman who is it's bad I mean it's sad all the
way around to yeah it really is so when we last left you um police had found Lisa Milan's body
13-year-old Lisa milikin yeah who was lured away from a mall when she was on an outing with a group from a home for
neglect and abandoned girls that's so terrible and she was held for a manner I think it I
believe it was four days that right because they were going to different motels and everything she was repeatedly
sexually abused she was I mean she was held there who knows what else happened right and she was eventually uh injected
with basically dishwashing products cleaning products by Judy Neely six times and then thrown into a canyon
after being in shot in the chest did they know were they able to determine when she had been injecting her with the
cleaning products they believe it was when she was tied to the tree outside and she didn't die right away so she was
shot in the chest and thrown over the canyon my God yeah it's horrific it's like Unthinkable truly um
so that's where we left you which is a pretty horrible note to leave you on um in investigators really did do their due
diligence in this they were trying their hardest they were going after every lead
when we talked to you in part one all the Departments are working together right now which is great and it's going
to help them stop this quicker but unfortunately not quick enough for someone else to die okay uh so on the
afternoon of October 3rd Diane Bobo was on her way to work at a Hardy restaurant in Rome um
unfortunately she ran out of gas near the Thornwood school and and it was like this whole ordeal she went through where
it was like she ran out of gas and then she tried to push the car and then she like ended up stalling in the middle of
like this intersection she had to push the truck off the road just like going through bad morning and she called her
husband from a pay phone and then she sat on the curb and just waited for him to come she was like you know I I gave
it my all this thing is not starting so I need help so while she's waiting she's
by herself she's just waiting on the curb and Diane was approached by a young woman she'd never seen before Judith uh
she later so as Diane was later able to describe this so Diane is going to be okay um she would later describe this
young woman as wearing clothes quote that looked too big for her and appeared as if she' hadd been wearing them for
several days so basically Judy always looks foul when she walks up to people which I think is by Design as well as
just by nature is she trying to look like destitute I think she's trying to look desperate for help she's trying cuz
she looks younger she is younger so she's trying to walk up looking like somebody that's in real trouble your
somebody will basically praying on the goodness of others yeah that's always good um and the girl said to her don't I
know you aren't you Patricia Alexander and Diane was like I am not Patricia nor am I Alexander I am neither of those
things um and she was like I was just hoping that she would just go away like I didn't want I had a [ __ ] start to my
day she's like I I'm not Patricia Alexander please go away off but this girl kept looking at her and she kept
talking to her and Diane was like can you please [ __ ] go away like I'm just waiting for my like I don't want to doal
with this yeah and she told Diane that she had been out riding around and she was kind of lonely so she thought maybe
Diane wanted to go for a drive with her what and Diane was like on no Planet would I want to do that and by no
situation would I want to do that but she said also she just seemed off something about her she said her vibes
were horrific well somebody's asking you like you know I'm just bored I wanted to
go for a drive with someone run the [ __ ] other way get out of there she said The Vibes are just we dirty and
then she looked over at the girl's car and she saw a child in the car because remember Judy has children oh [ __ ] I
literally forgot that I was like why does she have a child yep and she said but this girl was telling me she was
alone and she's lonely lonely but there's a kid in the car and she was very and Diane was like listen no I'm
good and she was like I you know my car just broke down I got to go to work I'm not driving around with you and my
husband is coming so like piss off and so Judy was like well no I can give you a ride to work like why don't she's get
in my car I'll give you a ride to work and Diane was like listen are you trying so hard I just called my husband he's on
his way and the girl got even more persistent and was like get in my car you should get in my car oh and Diane
was like no and she finally got super firm with her and was like no [ __ ] like leave my presence I don't want to deal
with this and finally the girl walked away and went back to her car and she drove off and Diane she drove off right
as Diane's husband pulled up on his motorcycle thank goodness wow good timing so later that evening John
Hancock and his 22-year-old girlfriend Janice Chapman were walking home after visiting shanice's mother they're
walking on the side of the road when a brown car pulls up next to them no thank you the young woman driving the car told
the couple she was new in town she didn't know anyone and she wondered if they wanted to drive around with her for
a while I just sorry that immediately makes me think of John molan I'm new right it does I'm new in town uh John
initially was like no thank you like bye and told the driver that they didn't actually need a ride it's fine like
we're good cuz she was like it looks like you need a ride like I'll bring you where you need to go like we can just
you know we'll be friends no but he looked at his girlfriend and Janice wanted to go like it was clear so the
thing is Janice had struggled to make friends she had a lot of social issues in general so JN thought that this was
like going to help he was like I just didn't want to discourage her if she was actually looking to like connect with
another human being yeah he was just trying not to like you know burst bub you know all that burst her bubble her
yum you know that's all I got so they got in the car oh no now almost immediately after getting in the car
they noticed something was off something was off about the car something was off
about the driver the whole situation and so the driver told had told JN and Janice again that she was new in town
and didn't know anybody mhm but after they pull away she starts talking to a man over CB radio oh and even like that
alone is just so creepy you get in a car with with a stranger and then they start
talking to someone over CB radio that that's like so again we say this all the time but something that would happen in
a movie and you be like H too much yeah and it's like this happen What do you do
you're already in the car at this point so it's like and something about CB radio man ever since Joy Ride yeah Joy
Ride has really and obviously Joy Ride had not come out yet so but they hadn't been driving for long when they crossed
over into I think it's chatuga County chatuga yeah okay and the girl pulled over to the side of the road beside a
very large very very densely forested area oh no and before he could even ask cuz he's like what the [ __ ] is going on
before he can even ask why the hell are we stopping and pulling over next to uh a forest yeah the girl turns to JN and
points a gun at him oh no she demands that he get out of the car and by then another car had pulled up and a large
man got out oh my God I think we know who these two are and John was so confused had no idea what to do he
doesn't know if this girl is going to shoot Janice shoot him shoot both of them shoot herself he doesn't know what
the hell is happening he's like she looked serious like this was not a bluff right and so he did as he was told and
he got in the other car he he was like I didn't know what else to do I I didn't want to put anybody in danger who knows
what you would do in that situation so both cars drive around the area together for hours so JN is now in Alvin's car in
Alvin's car and now she Janice is in Judy car they're driving around for hours hours until arriving at an
isolated area John was told to get out of the car he was in once he was out of the car the girl got out of the other
car uh and forced Jon into the woods a little ways then without warning she shot him in the back oh my God and just
left him for dead and walked back to the car and drove off with Janet inside Janice inside oh my God just walked him
into the Woods shot him in the back and left him there and thought he had died yep but clearly the way you're telling
the story he did not no and it was not it wasn't very light in the woods like there was no natural light coming in and
it was already getting dark and so Judy couldn't really see where she had shot JN okay she just assumed that whatever
she had done there it would be enough to at least prevent him from making it out
of the woods and that eventually he would just die cuz he wouldn't be able to find his way out of the woods cuz
it's dark but the bullet had actually gone through his right shoulder oh my God and it had lodged in his scapula oh
which is a very painful injury but it's not disabling okay well that's great so not that's not great but but like it's
great that he was able to like just play for a minute play dead and then get up exactly because not long after the car
pulled away he was able to make his way out of the woods and he flagged down a truck driver who picked him up and drove
him to Floyd County Medical Center and and emergency room attendance were able to get the bullet out of his scapula and
he was discharged around 4:30 a.m. just an hour and a half after arriving at the
hospital and he talked to a sheriff's deputy immediately the way this man just got shot finds his way out of the woods
hitchhikes to the hospital gets a bullet removed from his shoulder and after like
what an hour and a half they're like okay bye you can leave now we'll we'll Bild your insurance then he's like cool
I'll go to the Sheriff's Office I guess man lived a whole last life in a matter of a few hours a whole lifetime oh my
and and he's sitting there wondering what the [ __ ] is going on with he doesn't know where Janice is wife or
girlfriend his girlfriend girlfriend and so later that morning a sheriff's deputy
and an agent from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation the gbi uh they visited JN
at home to take his statement and at first they were skeptical about what they heard he was shot y'all the reason being
that Jon had a very flat affect and very like monotone way of talking well CU he's just gone [ __ ] through it thank
you today we would look at that and go well he's in shock disassociated yeah like and also today I think we look at
it a lot more we've said this in a few other cases as everyone reacts differently to situations and some
people aren't going to react the way that you want them to and that doesn't mean that they're not feeling the
feeling it just means that they're not portraying the feeling you want them to I'm sure like his his lack of emotion
combined with his like non-life-threatening ISS uh injury the way that he I'm sure it was all kinds of
stuff it all just went hand in hand but it just never like occurred to anyone at
first that like maybe he just talks like this normally and maybe's just telling the truth uh to investigators it seemed
like he was very casual about having been shot and his girlfriend having been abducted um and there were other parts
of the story that stuck them as a little strange at first like the couple had gotten into the car really easily mhm
and like they and they were like you didn't try to overpower the driver at any time any point like you know she had
a gun they were asking questions which they should ask of course obviously because we have seen also cases where
someone pretends that they are a victim and they are actually part of the whole thing so it's like I totally get why
they were they were doubling down on what they had to say but like you can look at it both ways but regard and
again regardless of what they were suspecting hear about JN it did appear as though Janice uh Chapman had been
abducted so that had really happened so the case was opened and investigation began okay good and it was which I like
that they weren't going to allow them being slightly suspicious of John's story to stop them from immediately
looking for Janice right so it was not lost either on the press or the investigators that Janice had been taken
just a few days after Lisa Milan's body was found in the canyon yeah so detectives were like it feels like this
is more than coincidental like these are two young women there's another young woman involved in the abduction story
like it feels and that doesn't happen all the time and when Rome police played the recordings of the calls to 911 for
John the ones that they had gotten from uh the bombing and the shooting all the previous cases uh he confirmed that the
voice of the caller was very similar to that of the woman who abducted Janice wow um so Rome Police Captain Mike
Ragland told reporters there are a couple of similarities but for every similarity there's a discrepancy so he's
just like keeping his you know he's he's keeping on the ball here which I think is good totally now because we're always
also like hammering on anybody who goes in with like a preconceived narrative or
just jumps on a narrative and won't look any other way so I think it's it's safe
to say they were going about it in the right way now in the days that followed the search for Janice Chapman grew
exponentially in size in scope I mean things were starting to puzzle together now and by then Diane Bobo our girl who
had who her truck had broken down and who Judy tried to abduct but she just she was like Don't Talk To Me I'm having
a bad day she had reported her weird interaction good um and she and she said you know this sounds very similar to the
conversation John Hancock told police about and he and Jen you know he and Jenice had a very similar interaction
with a very similar looking girl so it's like this doesn't just happen and the linkage was further confirmed a day
later when a Rome woman called police to report that her 13-year-old daughter had
been approached by a young woman who tried to lure her into a car oh no so they were trying to go on like a spree
absolutely and the girl's description of the driver and the car matched the same
one given by Dan Bobo and John Hancock oh no so we're we're really going here now yeah and there were other
similarities too like the 38 yeah like let's go like come on there was the 38 caliber caliber bullet that was pulled
from John Hancock's shoulder was a match for the ones in the Lisa milikan case I
didn't even think of of that possibility so they were able to now put these together and now they're looking at John
too and being like sorry sorry so it didn't take long before the voice on the 911 recordings about Lisa Milligan was
recognized as being very similar to the voice of the person who placed the calls
to kend dly and Linda dare several weeks before all this and it was confirmed by
dulian Adair in police interviews that this is the same voice and to investigators it was pretty clear that
there was at least two people that were terrorizing the Rome community and now they're kidnapping and trying to murder
young women in some cases succeeding like this has escalated quite quickly but the thing was it's like they all
seemed similar and they had similarities but they were random as [ __ ] they well
that's the thing like the calling and threatening to bomb somebody's house or actually going through it throwing bomb
at someone's house [ __ ] shooting into someone's house a a man and a woman and then killing abducting and killing a
13-year-old girl right attempting to do it to other women of varying ages but like younger I guess and then abducting
a 22-year-old girl and shooting her adult boyfriend it's all it's all very just like Willy fuckingly it's like you
can't figure out that and the worst part about this was like they have all these
connective similarities like they can pull this thread through all of them and go yeah we we know this is the same
person but we cannot predict what they're going to do next no who there no predicting and that's like terrifying
absolutely so although they had like we just said very little evidence to go on detectives did believe that their
suspects or at least you know the young woman were probably from out of state okay they also believe that there was a
real connection to the Rome Youth Development Center yes definitely because and they were like we can't
figure it totally out but there got to be something so they decided which was smart to comb through the records there
looking for anyone who matched the composite sketches that they were able to put together from the various
Witnesses who had had this woman approach them um and they decided to cross reference that those ones with
anyone on that list who was out of state okay and after tons of detailed research
and work like real work they were able to track down everyone on the list and verify their Alibis wow except for one
Judith neie Judith neie oh what a [ __ ] so as Rome police detective Kenneth K read through Judy's file he began seeing
you know some circumstantial and anecdotal things that at least in his mind linked Neely to the crimes
committed around Rome he was like you know what I could see this okay she had first been arrested for committing a
robbery at the same location Lisa milikin disappeared from oh I didn't even put two and two together on that
the couple was arrested near the area where Lisa's body was discovered for that uh robbery robbery and she appeared
to be committing crimes with a man yep and so a few days later on October 12th John Hancock picked Judy's photo out of
a photo lineup and said she was definitely the woman who shot him and later that day Diane Bobo and the
13-year-old girl who Judy had attempted to abduct in Rome also identified Judy's
photo from a lineup as being the woman who tried to lure them into her car this is my favorite part of the whole story
when it all just starts coming together it's like the what we say in the rewatcher it's the third act Montage oh
it is cuz it's just coming the Scooby game unites and just gets all the evidence together so based on the
identif ifications arrest warrants were issued for the arrest of Judy Neely let's go and as luck would have it
investigators didn't have to look too hard for their suspects because 3 days late earlier on October 9th Judy was
arrested in Murphreesboro Tennessee for passing bad checks are you kidding me so
she had already been arrested wow and that's a add that to the list Nows unable to make bond she sat in the r
rsford County Jail in a Cell where she was repeatedly visited by a man who seemed very anxious every time he came
to speak with her imagine that so rsford County spokesperson Lil Butner told reporters the officers here got
suspicious because the man had been in so many times in a few days later Tennessee authorities arrested Alvin
Neely for not the murders yet or the abductions but as him being an accomplice to her Larsen scheme that she
was doing so they were able to get him on that smart on the morning of October 14th 1982 detectives sat down to try to
pull all the pieces together but the problem was they still didn't know where Janice was I was just about to ask
where's Janice and all of this and at this point it's not looking good no because now one of them is in jail and
then the other's visiting it's like where's Janice right so after all of this when they sat down with Alvin they
realized uh he was a little sniveling coward cuz remember Alvin is a failure yeah in in all ways that one be a
failure um he was a [ __ ] worm and K said he was just a complete wimp not too bright more or less a slob he just
didn't fit the picture at all and right then I thought there must be something real strange in all of this and he was
even more surprised when Alvin told him he wanted to talk about the crimes but then he said I didn't do no murder I
ain't never killed nobody and I was like well I think by what you just said I think you said you've killed people cuz
I don't know if those double negatives all add up to a positive but if you ain't never then you did then you did
cuz it means you didn't never so you did so you did exactly so sounds to me like
you just admitted to murder my friend correct uh so Alvin's lawyer William Burton came to the police station and
they all sat down for a formal interview with Alvin Neely and according to Alvin
he had been with his twins remember his children that's so upsetting on the night of October 3rd and he got a call
on the CB from his wife Judy told him she'd picked up two people and she could and she referred to these people as John
and k k k is Janice's middle name oh okay and she said she wanted him to meet them uhhuh now once he drove out to meet
them they all got and by the way he brought his children okay once they all got out of their cars and exchanged
introductions John got in Alvin's car and Kay got back in and he was referring to as K yeah into Judy's car with the
kid kids and they all drove around for a little while wait sorry so the kids are
with who at this point are now with Judy and and Jan okay Jan poor Janice is probably like what the [ __ ] is going on
and they're driving around looking for he said for a place to buy alcohol uhhuh and after they've been driving around
for a while Jon needed to pee so Alvin pulled over and let the man out totally also driving around for over an hour
trying to find somewhere to buy liquor we live in America there are liquor [ __ ] everywhere exactly uh but once
John had peed he said he started walking down the roadway away from the Cars so seeing JN walking away Judy got out of
her car and started to walk after him so Alvin said he went to check on the children of course what the doting
father of course we want to make sure that everybody knows that get a life and so yeah went to go check on the children
in the other car which is when he noticed that Janice was handcuffed to the seat oh just happened to to notice
that in the car with the children oh by the way and he said quote she was just sitting there in the dark she was real
quiet she didn't seem to worry about worried about nothing um I doubt that I doubt that
highly um after he loaded the kids back into his car these poor kids are just getting shuffled around in the middle of
their parents just abducting people and we don't I mean they're probably like toddlers at this point I don't even know
at this point how old they were yeah I think they were young yeah so Elvin yelled after John and Judy telling them
to hurry up but only Judy came back he said but you didn't know what happened there was no plan there you know didn't
hear a gunshot or anything yeah and from there they just went back to the motel room where Judy told Alvin she had shot
John oh yeah once they were back at the motel room Judy began now Judy began mocking Janice and making fun of the way
she spoke oh I really hate that uh but he said Janice didn't seem really bothered by it I think she was probably
just trying to stay Teri and in shock stay alive the next morning Alvin claimed that Judy and Janice left the
motel to drive around for a while eventually meeting up with Alvin at a local Dairy Queen and Alvin said to
investigators quote she was out of control I was afraid she might shoot me this time she's a dangerous person
talking about Judy right and he said she firebombed that house in Rome oh [ __ ]
and he said that Judy and Janis left the Dairy Queen together and when Judy came
back alone she told him she had shot the girl and left her body along a rural Back Road oh he then drove he then Drew
up a map for investigators and he signed it oh wow yeah now they later learned this story was at least partially true
yeah but somewhat the next day October 15th Janice Chapman's body was discovered alongside a Royal Road in
Haywood Valley she had one bullet wound in her back and two in her chest that's so sad Rome police chief Joe Cleveland
told reporters we don't really have a motive there was no robbery in involved wow so they just killed her to
kill her for no reason whatsoever and I love that Alvin just wasted no [ __ ] time pinning all the murders on his wife
every single one he is the most sniveling little worm I've ever seen like she is a piece of absolute [ __ ]
garbage yeah the two of them she just showed me a picture of them I'm like oh I know they're just so [ __ ] foul
together they really are um they're posing in front of a Confederate flag here yeah EX
disgusting yeah but he called William Burton and asked if he could also represent Judy so he's throwing Judy
under the bus what and then trying to get her now unfortunately Judy hadn't asked for an attorney so when Burton
arrived at the station investigators refused to let him see her until she asked yeah and so in the meantime Judy
was crafting a defense pretty similar to her husband's which is she was claiming
it was Alvin who had killed Lisa and Janice Chapman so now they're just ring on each other of course I was they're
like Myra and Ian my thoughts immediately just it's us against the world and then they get arrested and
they're like [ __ ] that person they did everything I hate them girl I it's like
you're love URS I am scrolling through pictures right now and I am just yeah flabbergasted it just makes sense it
does now according to Judy she had never been in trouble with the law until she met Alvin and she had only engaged in
criminal activity because of Alvin like we've seen your rap sheet more yeah and what's sad is that Judy had a beginning
to life that was rough she seemed to be triumphing in the be like in school and it's like she did really give into her
dark side that was clearly always there had to have been uh the detective showed
her a picture of Lisa milikin who Judy acknowledged as having met at the Riverbend Mall a few weeks earlier but
she said I noticed her because she looked like Joanie Cunningham who is a character from Happy Days oh if if you
look up Lisa milikin she's adorable she does remind me she is like a Happy Days character she's just
beautiful now ultimately Judy made two statements to investigators in Alabama and Georgia uh she acknowledged
participating in the attacks on the YDC the youth uh you know yeah the YDC employees and the kidnapping and murder
of Lisa milikin and Janice Chapman so she acknowledged participating in these okay but she claimed she had only
participated in the crimes because she was quote under the control of her husband who had physically and sexually
abused her okay now here's the thing he is a piece of [ __ ] [ __ ] absolutely he
is a monster he has a noted and proven history of being physically and sexually abusive to the women the girls I was
going to say young girls he's so that can all be true absolutely that doesn't take your doesn't mean you your
involvement away you did it and also I'm doesn't take it away it's like so your life is just terrible all around all of
it is and it's like I don't I there's there's so much mess here yeah you know that like all of these things can be
true at once that's that's exactly that Judy is a Judy's a [ __ ] monster she she had monstrosity inside of her and
she's a predator she's a predator and it's like so she it she has that inside of her absolutely and Alvin is a [ __ ]
monster and doesn't even hide his monstrosity it's just right out in the open he beats the [ __ ] out of people
he's supposed to loveh he threatens to kill his own children like he's a piece of absolute [ __ ] garbage it sounds
like so is she neither of them knew how to love what they are so it's absolutely
it's very real to believe that all of this is true at once I I do that she had this inside of of her and that she
deserves to be punished for it and that he also was in control of her and physically and sexually assaulted her to
gain control I believe it I believe all of it yep so according to Judy Alvin had
demanded that she find girls and young women for him to sexually assault and that she only agreed to help because
quote she was willing to do anything to avoid further abuse okay I believe that up to a point exactly it's like nope you
did enjoyed it you did it you literally inserted products into somebody's body yeah it's like I don't feel bad about
that part like you're I don't feel bad about who you are on the inside like you clearly let it out this whole thing
that's why this case is so [ __ ] up cuz it's just like it is hard to see any of
the any good or any kind of positive anywhere here layers and layers of [ __ ] upd nasty [ __ ] horrible rage abuse
trauma lousy with sadness the more investigators spoke to both of them Alvin and Judy the more convinced
they became that like what we were saying neither one of them was telling the full truth no and that's how we are
kind of saying it here all of these things can be true and they cannot be true at all so just days after Alvin was
trying to completely blame Judy for all the murders he'd come up with a new explanation he said there were seven
other victims and according to Alvin he and Judy were quote recruiter and enforcers and this is a quote in a
prostitution ring but not all of the slangs were connected to prostitution and that was a quote by the way okay so
now he's trying to say that he's working for this ring and he's an enforcer and a
recruiter along with Judy and that this all has to do with that uhhuh now based on his statements to police Alvin did
seem to have some details about the murders of young women that had happened around the state that they hadn't
connected to them okay but it was wasn't super clear whether that was because he
was involved in them or he could have just read about it in the paper it was in the news like the things he had
weren't things he couldn't have gotten in the media he said or the bu uh Georgia Bureau of Investigations
director Phil Peters told the press all I can tell you is we're checking it out there's a lot of misinformation floating
around about it but we have agents talking to them and we're just trying to evaluate find out exactly what we have
to do to separate the facts from the fiction this must have been really hard I can't even imagine they seem like two
[ __ ] liars and it's like they're lying about each other and for each other so it's like this is just it's a
mess yeah now while Alvin is spinning crazy stories at this point about like these you know criminal rings and other
conspiracies he's going off the deep end yeah Judy remained mostly quiet in her jail St she cell she kind of stuck to
her story that she was just a victim of Alvin okay and that was it she wasn't going away from it well that was
probably her best case scenario it truly was now to most investigators and among
people in the media Judy's explanation was you know as good as any other it they saw who Alvin was so it wasn't
completely out of the well look at the time possibility they got together when she's how old he has done this
previously like they're seeing everything we've talked about but detective KES who was the one who had
spoken to both of them and had spent a lot of time talking to Judy he said I don't know about that okay after hearing
what Judy had to say about everything K said quote she's mad because she had to serve a little time it's revenge against
the system so he's saying she had to serve time in the Rome youth um you know the juvenile detention center there
which is what those first attacks were after MH he's saying she was pissed that she had to do that maybe something
happened there she snapped who knows none of us know nobody's claiming something did or didn't happen she's
claiming something happened we have no proof either way yep something could have happened there but either way she's
pissed about her time there yeah and he's saying this is totally against the system and so investigators really
started to this Theory more and they were starting to look more into it they started speaking more and more with Judy
trying to get a little more out of her and in an interview with Alabama district attorney Richard um I think
it's a igu I believe it is I'm sorry Richard uh Judy explained that she liked Lisa and didn't want to hurt her and in
fact she claimed she only killed Lisa because she didn't want to get caught and go back to YDC and what about the
cleaning products thank you and here's the thing that they believe they believe that she was first it was revenge
against the people who worked there she was going to that whole story that you know the firebomb the shooting and then
they had this whole list they were going to go through they were going to [ __ ] up
everybody who worked there that wronged her I think that was real and I don't know what the reason for it was whether
it was based off of abuse or not but it certainly could have been yeah and what they think now is that she started going
after like people that were similar to her in that position like young girls she started like they started together
going after [ __ ] terrible it doesn't make any sense that's that like let's abuse people but nothing about this is
rational in any way it's yeah may have even been like subconscious that she was doing that
yeah you know they don't know they just think this is her being pissed about something that happened to her or that
she didn't she was pissed she had a due time at all okay I I mean I can see it it makes sense now on October 28th the
deal County grand jury was convened to hear the case against Judy for the murder of Lisa milikin uh they
deliberated less than one day before returning an indictment and in the three count indictment she was accused of not
only killing Lisa but also of kidnapping and sexual abuse of a minor wow uh if she was prosecuted to the fullest extent
and found guilty she was going to face the death penalty in Alabama wow uh even so her court appointed lawyer Bob French
was convinced that she had only participated in anything out of fear and he was quote dedicated to a not- guilty
verdict and I say good luck yeah also like of course you are that's your job now the problem facing Alvin and Judy's
lawyers was that neither of them denied kidnapping and killing Lisa and Janice they both admitted that they were both
there around that Elvin was also an idiot so when he he would try to create elaborate stories and lies to save
himself he always ended up actually creating traps for himself to just Gump into um I mean at good yeah so this is a
trigger warning for this next part because I'm just going to say something about the Lisa milikin thing and it's
pretty horrific it's sexual abuse related so I just want to let you guys know that that's coming it's just for a
second so you can skip forward really quick if you want to okay um for example during an interview with gbi agents
Alvin repeatedly denied raping Lisa milikin uh but when agents looked at him and said well how the [ __ ] then did she
have seen found inside of her if you did not rape her and Alvin said he he just kept denying but then he turned it into
an outrageous lie oh God according to Alvin he said and this is horrific he said Lisa was handcuffed to the bed in
the motel room when Judy masturbated him into a Dixie cup and then poured it into
Lisa that was his explanation I actually don't know what to say about that instead of just like you're caught
you're caught you got caught there's no it is black and white it is you are caught red-handed and you come up with
the most wild and just disgusting foul and complex explanation for something that is black and white
like there's no that's on another level stupid this [ __ ] worm was oh that's so heinous and again that
was his way of still saying well Judy was part of that uh-huh and it's like just admit that you're a [ __ ] pig
that you're a predatory [ __ ] pig and you've done this your whole damn life that's so did like you disgusting Pig
the fact that his brain would even make that up is so in incomprehensible investigators first of all must have
been sitting there horrified but also sitting there and just being like are you [ __ ] kidding me how dumb do you
think are who do you think you are talking to and again with each new lie he just got himself more and more
Tangled in his own [ __ ] guilt yeah and it's every time he would more or less just admit his guilt again exactly
and over the course of the investigation his story changed repeatedly first it was all Judy's idea because she was
crazy and dangerous then he claimed they were enforcers in this ring and then that whole thing fell apart so we
started blaming Judy again and telling detective she was bisexual and it was her idea to kidnap and rape the girls
okay so now he's saying that like this is her idea and she wanted she's by so that's why it's like Alvin just
literally let it go get so [ __ ] like it's just you're so dumb just admit it I hate when people like when they're
backed into a corner like that and they just keep going cuz I'm like liars like that when you are literally holding
something in front of them and being like look and they're like no that's so infuriating maddening like so
infuriating like that was like my ex-boyfriend when I held up like proof of his cheating like a literal physical
piece of proof and he was like no misprint and it's like are you like he told me a movie theater misprinted a
ticket a movie theater misprinted a ticket yeah like those kind of people would you will hold a piece of evidence
that is disputable in front of them and they will lie their way out of it I have
shown someone a text that they sent from their phone and they sat there and told
me that they didn't send it yeah when I had proof that they did people who lie like that are scary they just will lie
it's just like they they don't care they will never come out with the truth and that is Elvin the scary thing is you
start to wonder if they do believe it with the just [ __ ] like conviction with Li the oomph and the oomph with
which they deny that the truth with how they'll defend themselves y it's really scary it's in it's intense like really
scary when faced with that it's unlike anything you could possibly ever explain I listened to my ex if he's listening
right now [ __ ] you honestly not even I'm like enjoy story time because you definitely remember this listen to him
in the bathroom talk have a full conversation with another girl full conversation making plans listen to the
whole heard her voice could hear the entire thing heard him like like talking back oh yeah having a full conversation
yep and then he came out and I said you what the [ __ ] I just listen to that entire thing I know you were talking to
a girl and he said I was listening to a voicemail that's unbelievable and and then you feel crazy oh yeah cuz I was
like oh obviously I'm crazy that's the other thing they will make these people do the wildest Tales you'll be like that
probably happens yeah you're like oh I'm the crazy like I'm being very like I'm losing it I'm being wild for even like I
need to check myself before I and that's what Alvin I think that's also why he surrounds himself with younger people
they're easier he likes to control and he obviously likes to have that manipulation tactic under his belt
that's what he uses and he's disgusting he's sitting here trying to pull it on seasoned [ __ ] investigators like the
Georgia Bureau of Investigations and he's sitting there trying to pull that [ __ ] that would be like you you want to
pull it on like a 19-year-old girl who thinks they're in love with you yeah it's probably going to work like oops I
I know this but you try to pull it on some people who have been through some [ __ ] no no no it's not going to work
they've seen like the worst of the worst of course so it's just for him to pull out the Judy bisexual
and it's her idea to kidnap so she's by so they so she wants to kidnap and rape girls that's the other thing obvious
conclusion I know what you're trying to say here sir because this was what this was the 70s yeah it's like the in the
early 80s or late 70s like this terrible thing of bisexuality they just want to M
abduct and rape young women it's like no I think you have actually proven that you do that so good try it's kind of
youro but you're both gross uh so in Judy's case Bob French her court appointed lawyer yes was having a
similar problem because in one interview after another Judy confessed to participating in the assaults on the YDC
workers and the kidnapping and murders of Lisa and Janice so again similar issue because like they've admitted it
so what's the case and faced with two capital murder cases he filed a motion in early December to have Judy tried as
a juvenile he acknowledged that his motion was pretty unlikely to be approved like because of what like how
bad it was was yeah the crime um he said we would be remiss in our duties if we hadn't asked for the youthful offender
status such since she is a juvenile uhhuh uh but I seriously doubt it will be granted considering the magnitude of
the crime the fact that she's still a [ __ ] Juvenile and this is her Ren and how many [ __ ] kids does she have does
she just have the two yeah I mean at this point she has three I think three yeah wow I think at least two wow yeah
so French's motion for youthful offender status was was denied denied uh it was denied and on March 7th 1983 her trial
for the murder of Lisa milikin began in D County and after two days of jury selection opening arguments began with
uh Richard I think it's I igu I believe okay um arguing on behalf of the state now Richard told the jury of Lisa
milikin heroing 4day ordeal oh God uh where she endured torture multiple rapes and then was injected Ed with costic
chemicals and then shot and thrown off a cliff by Judy NE wow like it doesn't get
more heinous no absolutely not Judy did this not because they were claiming Judy
did this not because she was under duress or because she was being violently abused and controlled by her
husband she did it because she wanted to yeah and personally that's what I believe I believe she was being
violently abused by her husband and I believe she wanted to do this yeah I believe both those things are
true and like detective K's he contended that after a brief incarceration for the
robbery at the mall where she was in that Juvenile Detention Center she had developed an anger and disdain for
society and humanity and she wanted to seek revenge which she took out on girls she perceived to be like her yeah that's
wild yeah now in her defense Bob French told the jury you know a different a different side of the story
in his version of events Judy was quote beaten and brainwashed into procuring 13-year-old Lisa Anne mikin as a quote
unquote sex partner which I was like you mean rape victim yeah [ __ ] for her husband um and then she just followed
his instructions and killing the girl and pushing her body into Li Little River Canyon which is wild to me that
like Judy's like oh I did it like she's not even blaming it on Al like she's not
even being like Alvin killed her he's like oh she's like oh no I killed her right and they're having to be like yeah
she just did it because he told her to and it's like I think there's more to it than that according to French quote
every move every action every thought for carrying out this heinous event was planned calculated and instigated by
Alvin Neely who had been violently controlling her actions since the day they met and began a relationship when
she was only 15 years old again I think it's all true it's just and I think she wanted to do it it's wild to me that all
of this happened in the span of like a a couple of years yeah now in support of his defense of what was then known as
battered woman syndrome referred to um he offered testimony from Judy's clinical psychiatric examinations that
had concluded that Judy quote probably fits The Battered Women's syndrome to the most severe extent that the
psychiatrist had seen wow this is why I do believe all of these things can be true um the psychiatrist also noted that
Alvin's mental state was substituted for Judy's own resulting in a situation where Judy quote had no intents of her
own so French told the Jerry Judy was reduced to a robot by this man who saw himself as an extension of Clyde Barrow
and his woman as Bonnie Parker oh who knows I don't know all I know is they're both terrible that's the thing
it doesn't matter what they think or who they see yeah I think it's all true at the
same time and I think you don't do that kind of thing you don't inject someone with cleaning
fluids six times and then shoot them in the chest unless you want to do that mhm
so the district attorney acknowledged that Judy absolutely may have been influenced by her husband and you know
what maybe she wouldn't have acted violently without his urging maybe she would have held it all in but she was
still responsible for her actions that she did do the hypothetical maybe she wouldn't have doesn't really have
bearing on any when Lisa and Janice are lying dead in the ground MH so they said her plea Was
Not Guilty by reason of insanity um and even if it had been such a plea does not include abnormal
behavior manifested by repeated criminal or antisocial acts and what has happened
here is Criminal antisocial and of the highest degree so after two weeks of very
graphic testimony a lot of evidence the jury deliberated for less than 4 hours and returned a verdict of guilty hell
yeah the Circuit Court jury recommended a sentence of life in prison without the
possibility of parole which I think is very fair um French her uh lawyer said Judy is in pretty bad bad shape and he
referred to her as a basket case okay again a quote yes of course um under Alabama Alabama Alabama that's the
fancy way to say Alabama Alabama under Alabama Law the judge actually has the right to accept or reject the jury's
recommend Commendation for ascendance oh that's interesting so although they recommended life without parole he had
the total authority to say yes or no to that wow and when Judy returned for sentencing on October on April 18th 1983
dcal County circuit court judge Randall Cole actually chose not to accept it huh
and he sentenced Judy to death [ __ ] he said by any standards acceptable to a civilized society this
crime was heinous atrocious and cruel agreed and asked by the judge if she had anything to say on her own behalf Judy
said I didn't have any feelings I had no thoughts or feelings except to do what I
was told there's nothing I can do to change the past I can keep things from happening again I can help battered
wives and that's what I want to do now I don't know if it was really love or fright from being so scared of him or
dependency one of my biggest pet peeves in murder trials is when the person says
I can't change the past we know because you know what everybody [ __ ] knows that particularly your victim's families
know that save your breath and they are living with that thought every day that we can't change the past so we don't
need to hear from you I can't change we know that [ __ ] we know you can't even do basic algebra so we're not worried
about you changing the [ __ ] path that's redundant thank you Judy what we're worried about is you a caged
[ __ ] an animal being let out into society and doing this all over again well and the thing that pisses me off
beyond that is when they sit there and say their plans for the future when they took away two people's plans for the
future like that's great that you want to do that did you happen to ask either of those two girls what they plan to do
with their Futures precisely you it's like she's sitting there being like your children's lives are going to
be gone so that I can become this wonderful face of you know this cause and you know what they they died for me
yeah to change lives and it's like wow like okay I was a family member sitting in that courtroom I don't know how
people do it I really don't know how they do it I have so much respect for the people to go through that I don't
think I could do it absolutely not I don't think I have the willpower I think like anybody who is able to sit there
and control themselves I think like you deserve a standing ovation 100 you're a you're a higher vibrating human myself
absolutely now hoping to avoid another trial and another potential death penalty for her case in Georgia for
kidnapping and murdering Janice oh Judy agreed to plead guilty to the charge of kidnapping and agreed to testify against
Alvin in exchange for the state of Georgia agreeing not to pursue murder charges or the death penalty wow now
again she was already sentenced to die in Alabama so authorities in Georgia were like I think it's fine if we agree
to this plead like she's sentenced to die and she's going to testify against Alvin which is basically just a win for
them there's no really win for her there precisely so having been indicted in March for the murder of Janice Chapman
Alvin was indicted a second time on May 10th 1983 for the murder of Lisa milikin
good now seeing how Judy's trial had ended and the fact that uh she was definitely going to testify against him
in the Chapman case Alvin agreed to plead guilty in Georgia to charges of kidnapping with bodily harm and murder
and in exchange the state was agreeing to not pursue the death penalty interesting so I think this is
good he was sentenced to life in prison okay which I think is great agree take it and he began serving his sentence at
bosk State Prison in Hardwick Georgia so like bye Alin see you [ __ ] never I don't think it's fair that she got death
and he didn't they did the same crimes uh well you'll feel better um so after she was sentenced she became the
youngest woman ever sentenced to death in the United States yeah cuz I just looked I tried to figure out her age I
think she was born in 1965 so she was either I think she was 17 when she was in trial 17 years old and was sentenced
to the death penalty for murder that's wild and she was sent to Julia Tutwiler prison for women to waight execution
death row now immediately though obviously Judy's lawyers filed an appeal on her behalf and they argued that her
Miranda rights had been violated following her arrest because Law Enforcement Officers failed to inform
her that an attorney had been called to the jail by her husband because remember
Alvin does that his own well Alvin so the whole thing was as a result her lawyers argued that the statements she
made during those early interviews were inadmissible and she deserved a new trial the justices disagreed because
they said Judy had repeatedly stated that she didn't need or want a lawyer right so and she had continued speaking
freely with investigators so she had said out loud I don't need and I don't want a lawyer okay so that negates all
that exactly and in their decision they upheld the lower Court's conviction and the justices wrote even if Mrs ne's
confessions were inadmissible because of a violation of her fifth or sixth amendment right to council any error and
the admission of those confessions were cured by her own testimony at trial right so they were like even if that had
happened she testified at trial and said she did it right so like we don't need those early confessions actually CU she
just said it in the court play his day so after more than a decade on death row wow Judy's sentence was commuted to life
in prison by Governor fob James who cited the jury's original sentencing recommendation as the reason to commute
it so 10 years on death row is 27 and gets commuted to life in prison that is my age right now yep I can't imagine
like yeah but she's such a [ __ ] monster yeah and they so they did this because they said that original jury had
wanted life in prison without parole so they are allowed to go back and commute that sentence back to that which like I
don't know I don't know how I feel that I got to look further into that like I don't want to spout out an opinion
without being fully researched my initial thought is like huh but I think in this case it's a huh cuz it's like
what the [ __ ] but I guess it could be beneficial in other cases if maybe the judge handed out like a ridiculously
unfair sentence yeah and I think I I'm also moving my opinion on the death penalty so much that I I think I'm also
just like I honestly life without parole I'm like that works for me yeah and I guess in my opinion it's like what's the
point of having the jury if the judge can just do whatever the [ __ ] they want yeah that's true you know but like
what's the point of the judge if the jury gets the final say yeah you know all kind of is convoluted yeah it really
is but either way following this whole thing the Alabama legislature passed legislation in 2003 to prevent Judy
becoming eligible for parole but then changes in the law in 2018 undid that legislation I was going
to say making her eligible as of 2023 yeah and May 2023 the state parole board deliberated for less than an hour and
denied her parole I saw that as of today she's still in Julia Julia Tutwiler prison for women she is serving out a
life sentence but she will be eligible for consideration for perole again in 2028 wow and she's only I think she's 58
right now 58 or 59 yeah so so she could very well still be alive then the thing is I from what I looked up I think even
if she got parole she would have to go serve in Georgia oh cuz I think she like I think
she will still have to serve a life sentence in Jo so I don't think it will even matter interesting I'll I'll look
it up again and I'll make sure to update it on the next episode okay but I'm fairly certain that I guess that makes
from what I read she will have to continue serving another sentence in another place even executive kind of
thing because they gave her the plea of taking death penalty off the table but they gave her okay so yeah so I think
she'll get parole and then immediately have to go to Georgia and start serving a life sentence so so like why why even
give her parole just don't it's kind of a waste of everybody's time Alvin Neely in case you were wondering because you
were like he didn't get death he did uh he didn't he got death in the end uh he served roughly 20 years of his life
sentence at State Prison and then he died in October 2st on October 21st 2005 from complications following surgery oh
well yeah bye so it is quite a story mhm and they are quite a pair yeah they both
belong to be locked away and have the the key thrown away yeah they sure do I don't think there's any hope for
somebody that can inject another person with Drano and and dish soap a child I don't think a 13-year-old child I just
simply don't think yeah I don't see you get past that but but you know here we are wow what a horrific case yeah I
would really love something paranormal for the next episode uh but I personally am working on like a old timey one ooh
so sorry to some sorry to some but yay to others yeah exactly and then I mean we're going to be coming up in the next
few weeks we're going to be hitting you with some like pretty gnarly cases so yeah just be prepared for that we'll
have a little smattering of spooky in there too just to like cleanse your palette in between but don't worry
because there's there's some rough ones coming yeah you know we got to move away
from the Most Wonderful Time of the Year Halloween exactly except it still hasn't
happened yet no technically weird yeah but anyway we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird but not
this weird cuz I don't know about [Music] that [Music]

On September 11, 1982, Ken Dooley, a Youth Development Center employee in Rome, Georgia, was shot at in his home by an unseen attacker. The following day, Dooley’s coworker, Linda Adair, was also attacked when someone threw a Molotov cocktail at her house in an attempt to kill her. Although neither Dooley nor Adair knew it at the time, these were the first attacks in the violent crime spree of Alvin and Judith Ann Neelley, a married couple whose brutality would shock in and around Georgia in the fall of 1982.

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Brief Summary

Alvin and Judy Neely's horrific crimes lead to the abduction and murder of young women, including Lisa Milikin and Janice Chapman.

Key points

Horrific Crime Unfolds. The story of Lisa Milan's tragic fate is revealed, highlighting the brutality of the crime.
John's Abduction. John Hancock and his girlfriend are lured into a dangerous situation by a stranger.
Diane's Close Call. Diane Bobo narrowly escapes an abduction attempt by Judy Neely, who approaches her under false pretenses.
Investigation Intensifies. The investigation into Janice's abduction connects to previous crimes, raising alarms.
Alvin Neely's Confession. Alvin Neely's statements to police reveal his involvement in the crimes.
Judy's Defense Strategy. Judy claims she acted under Alvin's control, shifting blame onto him.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

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