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[music] >> We have talked many times on this show about studying and discussing serial
killers. There is a deepseated need in many of us coded in our DNA to not just possess the ability to recognize evil
but to attempt to understand the dark side of human nature. People have a natural morbid curiosity
to understand the monster. What drives an individual to commit such extreme acts of violence?
Halloween is the season when we let the monster out. In fact, society encourages
the monsters to come out. And in some circles and at themed events, the monsters are celebrated.
But not here. Not on this show. While we will be celebrating together in the garage for Halloween, we know the only
time to celebrate the monsters is when they are defeated and when good triumphs over evil.
This is True Crime Garage. [music] [music] >> [music] >> So this week we thought we would hit the
road and briefly visit some of the [music] old serial killer haunts. So we will be talking about some horrific
killers, some well-known, others not so much. For our first stop, Captain, let's
go to a place that we both were very recently hanging out with fellow podcasters and having some late night
drinks with some of the beautiful listeners. We were in Denver, Colorado, home of the 2025
Crime Con. So, our first serial killer is one of our lessernown subjects of the week. Vincent Groves, who reportedly was
an excellent basketball player in high school, grew up in a middleclass suburb of Denver. He is said to be a hawking
athlete who helped to lead his high school basketball team to the state championship game in 1972.
Then he went off to co- college in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. But that didn't last too long as he dropped out in 1974 and
returned home to live with his grandmother. Now he had a successful job as an electrician. This was with the
Gates Rubber Company. But apparently here, Captain Groves had two hobbies. One, drinking a lot and two, hanging out
with sex workers. It's believed that his many hours and days spent in the red light district led him to a criminal
lifestyle. It's reported that Groves hung out in Lo, short for Denver's lower downtown district. A young woman who
Groves was associated with, her name is Janette Becca. She goes missing and before too long,
her naked body is found in the woods in Jefferson County, Colorado. This is in June of 1978.
A few months after the body is found, Vincent Groves moved in with 21-year-old Norma Jean Halford. Normma Jean's car
was found abandoned on a mountain road outside of Georgetown, Colorado on August 24th, 1979. The 21-year-old woman
norm has not been heard from nor seen since. And it's been 46 years now. Captain.
>> Wow. >> So, somebody he associated with turns up dead. They find her in the woods and
then a woman that he is living with ends up missing. He's on somebody's radar at
this time. For what? It's difficult to say because he is out walking around. He's still working his job and he's
still up to his funny business in the red light district and his criminal behaviors and actions. This is when
Vincent Groves meets and then later marries a woman. Her name is Janet Hill, but not Janet's best moment, I am sure,
because the two are married for just five months when this goes down. This is from the October
2012 5280 magazine in a fantastic article by Robert Sanchez titled Chasing a Ghost. In part, it
reads, "By the summer of 1981, Vincent Groves and his wife Janet Hill were arguing frequently. on August 14th,
1981. >> You'd think the majority of the serial killers we talked about never found
somebody to marry, but it seems like most of them do. So, if you're single, just remember there's somebody out there
for everybody. Yes, that's true, Captain. As we said, by this point, Janet Hill and Vincent Grove's husband
and wife are arguing frequently. On August 14th, 1981, so the couple's fighting again. Nothing
new here. This time they're fighting about a fishing trip. Vincent Groves planned to take a fishing trip with two
friends and their 17-year-old daughter. Her name is Tammy Sue Woodram. Groves was taking a camper which he had
attached to the bed of a pickup truck that was parked outside of the couple's home. Janet Hill, his wife, is pleading
with him to allow her to go along on this trip, but Vincent Groves refuse refuses to bring her. He wants to go
solo, so he grabs the keys to the truck and he says he'd be back. He takes off for this fishing trip. The next morning,
Janet Hill is homesick from work when Vincent Groves appeared at their home. He says he had something to tell her,
but he wouldn't do it there. He says that he needed to tell her this in the mountains.
>> Yeah. No thanks. >> So, she wants to know, did he have sex with the teenage girl? Was their
marriage over? Janet Hill walked outside and waited for an explanation. Vincent Groves told her to get in the pickup,
which was still connected to the camper. She complies. Groves starts the engine and pulls off. They go off driving. He's
silent as they drove toward the foothills of the mountains. He finally made a turn into a meandering country
road. This is near the town of Deckers. By then, it seemed to Janet Hill they'd been driving forever.
Somewhere outside of the town, Groves finally began to speak. And then he started to cry.
The fishing trip with the friends was in fact true, he told Hill. But first, he decided to pick up the teenager Woodram
and the two went to Boulder, Colorado to score some cocaine party. When they had
gotten the stash, they drove toward Frasier. So, this is about 90 miles away. They pulled off the road. One
thing led to another. Grove said the girl started shooting up, but she couldn't handle it. something had gone
wrong. Groves is sobbing and crying and he says that the 17-year-old girl, she had overdosed and she was dead. Janet
Hill says she wanted to jump out of the truck and run. The girl, where was the girl? She wanted to know. Vincent Groves
looked at his wife and said the teenager's body was still in the camper. Now, at his
wife's urging, Vincent Groves turned himself into the Lakewood Police Department and
eventually was was actually convicted of secondderee murder after his Tammy Sue Woodroom drug overdose story fell apart.
So, the way that this works here, Captain, he tells police the same story or very similar story that he told his
wife, but the forensic evidence here showed that Tammy Sue Woodram had been beaten, raped, and strangled.
In court, at his trial, evidence proved that the victim was drugfree. No drugs in her system when she was killed. So,
his story carries no weight at all. plus all the injuries and the assaults that they could prove happened prior and
during her death. Prosecutors showed marks on the teenager's skin matched with that matched up with Vincent
Groves's belt. So, Groves is sentenced to 12 years in prison in the summer of 1982.
Needless to say, Janet Hill divorced him. Groves, however, and we hear this so many times
in these kinds of stories, Groves was a model prisoner. He taught classes. He took classes.
>> Couldn't behave in [clears throat] the real world, but can be a model person behind bars.
>> Well, it's amazing when you're doing all kinds of hardcore drugs what you may get
into. And all of a sudden, when those no longer are available to you, it's easy to step in line no matter how evil you
may be when you're fuel fueling the fire with substance abuse. Right? So, because
he's a model prisoner, lucky for you, Colorado Groves received an early parole. So, on February 13th, 1987, Groves was
released from prison. He had served just five years, just five years for raping and killing an innocent 17-year-old
girl. One that he knew, right? He knew the parents nonetheless. Sorry that I understand it
was a different time period, but that is just far too soft on violent crime for this garage guy. by September of 1988.
Okay, so he's been out what, a year and a half approximately. Let's say a year and 7 months by this point. He's back on
the radar of detectives and police once again. Now, I hope you're seated here, Captain, because Vincent Groves in
September of 1988, one year, 7 months after being released, he's a suspect in the murders of more
than 20 Denver girls. Jesus Christ. Of whom had been strangled. The investigators found that Vincent Groves
was familiar with many of these victims. Maybe they couldn't prove all, but familiar and knew and had some
association with some of these victims. And he was the last person seen with the
victims in some of these cases. >> Right. >> Results from a DNA test linked Vincent
Groves to the murder of 19-year-old Wanita Lavoda, whose naked body was found in April of 1988 in a rural area
east of Denver. and 25-year-old Diane Mansera, whose body was found in neighboring Adams County near Interstate
25. This is west of Denver. He was convicted of both and received a life sentence for one of the murders and a
20-year sentence for the other. If you're going to do the math on this these new convictions compared to the
old murder that he was in for, what what do we think he'll get here? About 17 years. So thankfully that doesn't appear
to be the case. At the trials, prosecutors provided evidence that Vincent Groves likely had involvement in
eight other murders in the Denver area. So they did this using testimony from witnesses and other persons there and
other evidence that placed Vincent as the last person seen with the victims before they were found dead or having
disappeared. poof, gone forever. Now, keep in mind, even though they presented that evidence and that testimonies at
that trial, these weren't charging allegations, right? He there were no new charges that were actually brought
against him. I think they were just kind of piling on for the sake of the jury and in hopes to really push to get a
much needed conviction and get this guy locked up. you kind of dropped the ball the first time when you left let him out
too early. This is the type though to me I don't know I don't know if it matters
when you let him out if he falls back into the drugs. It appears that he's going to fall back into the sexual
assaults and murder that that we know he was not just capable of but certainly guilty of on several several counts.
>> Yeah. It's almost like the drugs unleashed all his demons. >> A little bit of good news here in the
story. In the early 1990s, Vincent Groves began to have pretty severe health problems. So, for much of his
adult life, when he's outside of prison walls, Groves was known to deal cocaine,
crack, and other drugs, he was very much using everything that he was pushing. Now, here's a news flash for the 6:00
hour. You can't continually use hardcore drugs with without it having hardcore effects on your body, right? So, Groves
is diagnosed with hepatitis C and liver failure from which he died on October 31st,
Halloween, 1996 inside of a prison hospital near the city of Denver, Colorado, >> and nobody cried.
>> Well, you're right. I I don't think anybody cried, but if there were people to cry, it might be the detectives. It
might be some family members of other victims that were yet to be definitively linked to this serial killer. So, when
Vincent Groves was dying, he's in the process of dying. Detectives went to talk to him to see whether they would be
able to solve the mystery of the fate of many other women associated with him or
who they believe may have fallen victim to this monster. Right. So, shortly before his death, Captain Groves is
asked, like they're trying to pull a confession out of him, begging him, asked to confess to other murders, but
he's such a nice guy that he refuses to do so. So, he passes away. They suspected him of many more murders. Now,
Vincent Groves's DNA was not in a national database, but the Lakewood Police Department's cold case unit
actually had Vincent Groves's DNA on file. This back from their 1981 Tammy Sue Woodram murder that they
convicted him on. So, they have his DNA on this murder that they know he did. He's convicted of it. He spent time in
prison for it. Not enough, but he was there. That DNA helped posumously link Vincent Groves to the slayings of Emma
Jennifer, age 25, Joyce Remy, age 23, and Peggy Cuff, age 20. All who were found strangled dead in
1979. So these murders occurred before they got him for the Tammy Sue Woodram murder. Also,
they found witnesses. So now they have witness accounts tied to Vincent Groves. They're tying him to the 1988 killing of
Pamela Montgomery, age 35. So they get multiple witnesses saying this is kind of a before and after here.
and you don't want to be witnessed doing either one of these things. So Pamela was last seen by a credible witness with
Vincent Groves before her time of death, shortly before her time of death. And then later
there's another credible witness who saw her body dumped in an alley from a car that matched Vincent Groves's car. So,
the second witness never sees Groves or can't identify Groves, however, can identify Yeah. can't identify his
vehicle. And look, you you put those two things together there and it puts him on
a short list. Such a short list that that it has to be him. I mean, I couldn't imagine who else would fall
onto that list. And here's the thing, he's an easily distinguishable guy. So, at 6'5 in tall and close to 230 lb, the
former athlete made for one big powerful predator. Quote, "He was in a position to use his
size against most women, said Denver police cold case detective Mileus Yearling."
Yearling, who went on to tell the LA Times that even though Groves is dead, solving the cases has helped give his
victim's families closure. Quote, "They're surprised that we're contacting them." And then they're grateful that
the cases have been solved." End quote. Then we have Denver District Attorney Mitch Moresy. He said of Vincent Groves,
quote, "In my 30 years experience, he is the worst homegrown serial murderer." End quote. Morsy said investigators have
circumstantial evidence linking Groves to up to 26 additional homicides. He has contacted authorities elsewhere in the
state of Colorado to make sure Groves's DNA profile is available for further investigations.
So, while cold case detectives and the DAs were chasing a ghost, as the 5280 magazine put it, I like to think of it
as the ghost of some of the victims led the investigators to where they needed to go to find the killer. One more thing
from the Denver District Attorney, Mitch Morsy, he said, quote, "This man destroyed lives. He destroyed families.
We figured that he was killing two women a month. He was maybe the most prolific
serial killer in the state of Colorado. I believe we'll link him to more. End quote. Well, some of these serial
killers are not intimidating by their physical stature. But when the fight is on, they have a rage and a sickness that
it's hard to compete. It's hard for the victims to fight off that kind of vicious attack, but here you have an
individual that is intimidating physically and like you said athletic background.
So with that athleticism plus his rage and plus the sickness, a lot of people felt fell victim to his evil ways.
>> And the fuel on the fire in a lot of these cases is probably the drugs, too, right?
Because cocaine and crack are not the kind of drugs where you're like, "Oh, let's do some cocaine and then read a
nice book under a tree and take a nap." No, this is this is uh if if you're a raging homicidal maniac like this guy,
this is a a recipe for for as we can see here, not just disaster, but but pure pure evil. And then not even
the willingness to confess to one, two, or or any murders on on his deathbed. All right. Trick or treat here, Captain.
Mhm. >> Choose. >> I'll go with trick. >> Okay. A riddle. >> Mhm. >> I go all around the world but never
leave the corner. What am I? >> Sounds S sounds like the captain in the garage. [laughter]
>> I am a postage stamp. A stamp can travel all around the world on an envelope, but
always remains in the corner of the envelope that it is on. But I'll give I'll give a treat for you and for the
listeners too, just for playing along. We mentioned Lodo in Denver. >> Yeah. >> When Vincent Groves ran there, it was a
rough rough area. So, originally officially known as the Union Station neighborhood until the Denver Post
writer Dick Crek first referred to it as Lo in 1983 in a column that he wrote and he
was referring to lower downtown Denver. And I wanted to give Lodo its props because while when Groves was running
the streets of Lodo, it sounds like a pretty nasty, terrible place. >> Yeah, sounds like my kind of place.
>> Well, lower downtown Denver has become a national model of how a decaying city
neighborhood can be converted into a thriving residential, retail, and recreational district. So people that
live in this area or have visited there know that this is the Kors Field area. So if you are there, my treat to you is
to go to the Cherry Cricut. It is an amazing place for food, drinks, and sports. Get the 983 Big Cheesy Burger.
This was the 2022 people's choice winning burger. The Cherry Cricket has had six first place Denver burger battle
winners. [music] [music] All right, we are back. Talk hands in the air. Cheers to you and thanks for
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but uh No, the listeners are hard negative ones from time to time. >> Yeah, [snorts] cuz we do. But our
listeners are warriors, right? We got a we got a whole army of warriors out there who you got to fight for your
right to garage and they do. All right, Captain. Cheers to the people in the back. Cheers to everybody out there in
listener land. Cheers to all the folks. You know, maybe you're listening to this
after you just took your kids out for beggars night and you just need to wind down on the back porch or in the garage
with a beer. We hope that we are doing that beer and your earballs some justice here tonight. So, we started off
westerly on our Beggars's Night adventure. Let's move easterly. We'll go to Planefield, Wisconsin.
[snorts] >> So, true crime author Johnny Trevani encouraged us to use some pages from a
couple of chapters. He is the writer of the recently released book, The Serial Killer Travel Guide Across America: Your
Coast to Coast Tour of Terror, which is the inspiration for this garage episode.
So, from Planefield, Wisconsin, you know where we are going because if true crime
were a town, well, then this disgusting, pathetic little man would be the talk of
said town. Edward Theodore Gene, the butcher of Planefield. Some say the ghoul of Planefield. I say serial killer
and body snatcher. Now that's a hobby that you don't see too often anymore. Some good
old-fashioned body snatching. >> Well, he was also a creative type. He liked to make furniture and clothing
items. >> Oh, yeah. He wasn't just sitting around doing nothing. He He [clears throat] was
He was busy. He was very busy. All right. from the book The Serial Killer Travel Guide across America. Here we go.
Ed Gene aka the Planefield Ghoul Kills two plus. His span of activities according to Johnny's book is 1944 to
1957. We should point out that beyond the body snatching, the grave digging, the grave robbery,
and the two murders, he's suspected of all kinds of other stuff. and and his shenanigans were so out there and crazy
and weird that I I think it's kind of difficult to get get a great idea of everything that he may have done and and
maybe some of that goes to his much debated level of psychosis. So from the book here it reads Gene Ed Gene
aka the planefield ghoul was born in Lacrosse County, Wisconsin. and his parents eventually purchased a farm in
Planefield. The family moved to the farm to prevent outsiders from influencing their sons, which was in retrospect a
shitty idea. He needed some outside influences. Ed Gene left the farm only to go to school. His mother preached to
her boys about how immoral the world was and that all women except for her were nothing but [ __ ] While Gene was an
awkward child, often laughing to himself for no reason, his awkwardness did not matter a whole lot as his mother didn't
allow him to have friends. Anyway, Gan's father died in 1940 from heart failure.
And in 1944, a brush fire occurred near the farm. And Ed's brother, his brother went to try to put out this fire. And
later Ed Geen reported to the police that his brother was missing. They organized a search party and Ed Gene led
them directly to his missing brother who laid dead with bruises on his head. The
whole my brother is missing. Oh, and there's the body vibe caused investigators to believe that possibly
Ed Gene had killed his sibling, but was never charged. That's something if you go back way in the garage archives to
episode I believe it was episode 49. This was back when we were still learning how to turn on a microphone. We
covered Ed Gene's case. >> Well, we knew how to turn them on. We just didn't know which direction to talk
into them. >> Didn't know how to turn them off apparently either because we've done
about 800 episodes since. >> Yeah. We talked about this and and I feel like when we when we were talking
about this portion of the Gene story that this part might have been a little lesser known or or less reported at the
time and and one that was a bit of a shocker for me I recall when when discovering this little tidbit of
information. But after his brother's death, Ed Geen lived alone with his mother who eventually died in December
of 1945. And then after that, Ed Gene is going to live on the farm all alone in that house. And that's when, as the
captain put it, little Eddie got creative. Well, Ed is very hard to research because I believe his the
legend of Ed Gene is probably bigger than the actual facts of Edge Gene. >> Agreed.
>> And the different individuals or the different movies and characters that his legend inspired then become
basically amplification to the legend of Ed Gene. >> The book continues on. It says in 1957,
Planefield Hardware store owner Bernice Warden disappeared. Edge Gene was known to be the last person who was in the
store before she vanished. So, the cops decided to talk to him. When police searched Ed Gin's property, they found
her decapitated body in a shed hung upside down. Her torso was quote dressed like a deer. It's shocking to me. Okay,
so we're talking about some old cases here when it comes to the Ed Gene story. Yeah,
>> it's really shocking to me that some of the books that discuss him either in short form or long form talking about a
smattering of serial killers or just focused in on Ed Gene solo. I'm shocked this picture is somewhat readily
available of this upside down decapitated naked body who's dressed like a deer basically split down the
middle. I don't want to go into too much of a description there, but it's readily
available enough to the point that, you know, the the bookshelves sitting behind
me right now when when we have company over, especially if they have small children, these doors are shut. These
doors are shut because it's images like that that I do not want somebody to stumble upon because you cannot you
cannot unsee that. Well, I'm going to say something and I hope it doesn't come off
insensitive, but I think one of the pieces of the equation of Edge Gene is that he lived
on a farm and that he came from a family of farmers. So, I think some of the actions towards these victims or slash
just bodies, which you could argue is a victimization of a dead person that shouldn't have been dug up like Ed did.
>> Mhm. >> But a lot of these things that we see, he would basically treating these
victims as animals. And you would see that, you know, in farmers, especially back in the day, using every piece of
these animals for their own survival. >> So, and this list may vary depending on
where you go, and I think that there's I kind of hesitate to report this list because, like I said, I've seen it. If
you go to four or five different sources, you're going to see a slightly different versions of this this list
according to what police found when they searched his home, searched the farm, the the garage, the shed. But
according to the serial killer travel guide across America, it says here, "After searching the house, police found
four noses, human bones and fragments, nine masks of human skin, bowls made from human skulls, 10 female
heads with the tops sewn off, human skin covering several chairs, the head of a woman named Mary Hogan in a paper bag.
Bernice Warden's head in a burlap sack. Nine vulvas in a shoe box. Skulls on his
bed post. Organs in the refrigerator. A pair of lips on a drawstring for a window shade. A belt made of human
female nipples. A lampshade made from the skin of a human face. So he had told investigators that over the years he had
gone to graveyards dozens of times to exume recently buried females female bodies and then brought the bodies home
where he's doing these activities here. So I want to go to let's jump from the travel guide here. Next captain let's go
to the late great Martin Phto. Not sure how many of our fellow American listeners will know Phto, but I would
bet that many of our wonderful UK listeners will know of him. Martin Phto was a brilliant professor, a great true
crime writer of several books and a brilliant ripperologist. Phto penned many wonderful biographies,
but it is his work, it is from his work for his 1986 book, Murder Guide to London, that after he studied the
memoirs of senior Scotland Yard officials like Sir Robert Anderson, that we learned that police suspected that
the ripper was a poor Polish Jew. Their words, please. and we start to learn about contemporary suspects like
Cosminsky, Aaron Cosminsky, and then later David Cohen. One of Phto's books, which was one of my first true crime
books, uh this was from 1993. It's titled The Chronicle of Crime, the infamous villains of modern history and
their hideous crimes. In this book, Phto grabs a snippet of a major crime, something reported nationwide and
worldwide. And these from all around the war world, these stories and of the time
period, the book covers both the 19th and the 20th centuries. So the headline that he put 1957
for the gain arrest is farmer crossdressed in dead women's skins. And then it has a it has a
similar list of what we just covered of of an inventory of what was found on the
farm or in the house. And phto goes on to write, "When questioned, Ed admitted to digging up the bodies of numerous
women from the cemetery to assemble his collection, and in addition to Mrs. Warden, he had killed bar proprietor
Mary Hogan in 1954." >> Yeah. Now, I guess at the time in 54, her disappearance had been put down as a
possible possibly connected to her connections with the Chicago underworld. So, it
doesn't sound like Gene was at the top of the list of suspects, but if I recall correctly, he was somebody that was
mentioned because I think somebody had either seen him going in to the bar or leaving the bar.
>> They saw his truck outside. >> Yeah. And it phto goes on to write, "Ed ate parts of his corpses. Weirdest of
all, at full moon, he liked to dance, dressed up as a woman in mask, wig, waste coat, and greavves with a vulva
held to him by panties. Sheriff's officers wondered with a shudder as they explored
the half of the house Ed had sealed up. These rooms turned out to be those inhabited by his puritanical mother,
preserved exactly as they had been at the time of her death. Then people realized that Mrs. Hogan and Mrs. Warden
slightly resembled the late Mrs. Gene, who had always taught Ed that women were bad and sex was wicked. Ed has been sent
straight to the lunatic asylum without anyone pausing to consider a trial. >> I believe these are the only two
killings that he ever confessed to. But like you said, we believe he's responsible for the death of his brother
and possibly many others. But when they find these victims that he dug up that weren't victims of his murder, but
victims of his grave robbery, I think that's where it got very convoluted for investigators to decipher what he was
responsible and what he wasn't responsible for. >> Yeah. And the one thing that's great
about this book, The Chronicle of Crime, there's often a picture that is typically grabbed from a
newspaper, but there is a picture here of Ed Gene, and he's he's wearing a flannel hat. He looks like your typical
Wisconsin farmer of that time period. He's the police were nice enough to let him put on a jacket and gloves. Um,
yeah, and he just looks like your your kind of your regular Joe. He comes from such a small town that I think everybody
tried to be nice to everybody. And even though he was a little bit of the town weirdo,
>> I think he was >> Yes. But I think he was nice and polite to people. So that's where law
enforcement wasn't really suspicious of all the activities he was doing. And also he's out on the farm and if you
just don't have visitors then there's no way of people knowing in a lot of these
farms it's just not common place to just pop on the property and start looking around.
>> Well and you're exactly right and he was even polite with the police and he like
we said he's kind of the local oddball and don't you hear that? It's like, oh, yeah, he's he's weird, but he's
harmless. And I think that's what everybody kind of considered Ed to be for most of his life until they his
mother passes away and then they find out that he's been killing women and he's got all this horrific stuff in his
house and farm. Now, I do want to jump real quick to this is from Mary Brett's book titled Out of the Mouth of Serial
Killers. This is pageuh 139 here and she's talking about Ed Gene here and these are some of the things
that he said. So regarding the Bernice Warden's murder or murderer I should say when he is questioned by police, Ed
Gan's response is quote, "It must have been someone pretty cold-blooded that had committed that murder in Ed's
opinion." And then when he's asked about the missing woman, Mary Hogan, which we
would ultimately learn is likely his first victim, he says, quote, "She isn't missing. She's at the farm right now."
End quote. So he he's not going way out of his way to try to hide the facts of of the case. And and I guess why would
he? regardless of what you think his state of mind is. I mean, they're finding the evidence, plain and simple,
right there on his farm in his house. And then I'll I'll go to one more book for Ed Gene here, Captain. This one's by
Paul Anthony Woods titled Ed Gene Psycho. Now, this is this is unbelievable. This is from the very back
of the book here. >> Go for it. >> Unbelievable. I can't I this will never make any sense to me in in any context
at all, but there is according to his book Edge Gene Psycho, there is an Edge Gene fan club, an Edge Gene fan club. So
you can get a certificate of membership which is a certificate with your name on
it that says that this certifies that blank let's say the captain this certifies that the captain is a member
in good standing of the official international Edge Gene fan club and has been registered as an official member
entitled to all membership benefits. I have no idea what those benefits would be, but one apparently is this
certificate of membership and then it's dated and then it would be signed by the
president of the official international Edge Gene fan club. There was a limited edition t-shirt. This is Gallery of
Horror and it has Ed Gan's picture on it and there's also buttons and stickers and all those kinds of things. And we're
not going to go to this city or state on our little adventure here this week, but
the mailing address for the Edge Gene fan club is out of Tempe, Arizona. >> Wow.
>> What's up, Tempe? What are you doing? What are you doing? Now, >> don't blame Tempe for this club.
>> Just one person in Tempe. Um, >> and who wants to wear a shirt with Ed's ugly mug on it?
>> You know what I mean? Like that's kind of bizarre. Let's put a ugly man's face on
my t-shirt. >> Yeah. But again, the the legend of Ed is going to keep growing because the amount
of fabrications and just blatant lies that this Ryan Murphy project, the Edge Gene monster on
Netflix, people are going to watch this eight-part series and think that this is
somewhat factual because I think some people go, "Well, it's about a real person, So, it has to be based on facts
just like a documentary. And it's not. And there's a whole there's a whole thing towards the end where he's in
communication with Richard Speck, another serial killer. And what the show is claiming is Richard Speck was in
contact with Ted Bundy before some of the Ted Bundy murders. And then it h then it shows Ed talking to the FBI
saying, "Hey, I think uh this guy you should look into is this guy probably goes by the name Ted. Probably drives a
Volkswagen Beetle and he's being he's been in correspondence with Richard Spec." And so when they caught Bundy as
a part of the Monster series, it shows Ed going, "Hey, I did something good in this world." But we there's no evidence
that Ted Bundy wrote Richard Speck. And we have no evidence that Richard Speck even wrote Ed Gene.
>> Yes, that's that's [snorts] absolutely correct. And we would have to believe there's every reason to believe that all
of that mail would have been very meticulously meticulously monitored. So the one thing that always will stick
with me with Ed Gene, not just that picture that I had mentioned of the victim hanging in the shed, you can't
unsee that. But one thing that is unfortunately tattooed on my brain having read about him as as a youngster
is the portion of the story where they say that he would dress up in these skin suits or portions of these skin suits
and and dance in the moonlight or dance in the graveyard at night in the pitch black or so for for now because for most
of my life having read that when I was young anytime there's a song that mentions you know dancing dancing in the
moonlight or Dance by the Light of the Moon. There's a whole bunch of them that >> Moon Dancer. There's all kinds of songs
that are that are like that. My freaking [snorts] brain goes to an image of like a
silhouette shadow figure of Gene dressed in skin suit or as a woman dancing in the graveyard or or with the
with the big moon right in front of him. it like I cannot I don't know if there's
enough beer in this garage to get that that out of my head for some reason. But anytime from that day on to this day,
that's what I think of when there's a there's a moon dance song that I hear. >> Well, like you said, um this image, a
real life image you won't ever be able to get out of your head. Well, the eight-part Netflix
docu [clears throat] The eight-part Netflix monster Ed Gene series has probably a
thousand images I'll never be able to get out of my head >> and eight episodes that I'll probably
never be able to get off of my Netflix app. All right, trick or treat here, Captain.
Before we wrap up, >> let's go with uh treat. >> All right, for treat and we'll circle
back to your trick. You're not getting off that easy. According to Johnny Travisani in his great book, he says,
"Before you leave the Planefield, Wisconsin area, make sure you check out the annual Pentwell Palooa ice fishery
and raffle that takes place in January at the Lore Bar and Grill." And he says, "If you've never checked out an indoor
ice fishing tournament, this is your chance." And they have cash prizes for the the tournament as well. and raffles
that go along with this. >> $10 goes to the winner. >> I think it's he puts 1,500 is the top
cash prize, but I would imagine that would probably change from year to year, but indoor ice fishing sounds absolutely
fantastic to me. And here's your trick, Captain. Another riddle. What happens >> once in a lifetime, twice in a moment,
but never in a thousand years? >> Once in a lifetime. Sex. >> The letter M. I had sex [music] once. Just
let everybody know. [music] >> [music] [music] >> Thanks for joining us here in the
garage. Stick around for part two, more fascinating and disturbing facts of serial killers. And until then, be good,
be kind, and don't live. Heat. Heat. [music] [music] [music] >> [music]

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This episode discusses serial killers Vincent Groves and Ed Gein, detailing their crimes and psychological profiles.

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Welcome to True Crime Garage. Hosts Nick and Captain introduce the show and express gratitude to listeners.
Vincent Groves: A Troubling Past. Exploring the life of Vincent Groves, a man with a dark history.
The Tragic Overdose. Vincent Groves recounts a tragic event involving a teenage girl.
Groves' Early Release. Vincent Groves is released early from prison after serving just five years.
A Prolific Serial Killer. Vincent Groves is linked to the murders of over 20 girls in Denver.
The Butcher of Planefield. Ed Gein, known for his gruesome acts, was the talk of the town.

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