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away in October of 1962 she was found dead in a river near her home in Lake Charles Louisiana Sharon Hensley she's
been missing since February of 1973 she went missing off the coast of Key West Florida Annette Carver Veil
missing since October 1984 from Tulsa Oklahoma what's the one thing that these women have in common they were all
married or had an intimate relationship with Felix Vil Gina we've been talking about Felix Vil and earlier we covered
the mysterious death of his first wife now you said that they had had a son together and she died just months after
he was born what ever become of his son oh gosh Bill his son bill was Bill was born I think in July and his first wife
Mary was killed in October so he was literally months four months old I think I think and so bill has a aunt in
Louisiana that takes him and keeps him for a while not not a long while maybe a year and then Bill takes him and moves
back home to Mississippi with his mom and dad and stays there for a little while maybe
a year maybe two not very long and so his mom probably is raising the son then Felix takes off and heads to California
this is when he really starts just traveling all over very nomadic like I've said and he takes off and goes to
California at some point he comes back and he gets his child bill this toddler and he says hey this my kid I'm taking
my kid I'm G to be the dad you know [ __ ] he took that kid because he goes out to California he's living the
true hippie lifestyle and they're they're roaming around you know the hate ashbery
District I mean everything it's it's definitely you know the time Life Magazine of the hippie lifestyle that's
what Felix is doing at this stage but he learned quickly that he could take his son Bill and use him as a pawn to get
the things he needed to survive okay um housing food women drugs whatever it is he needs oh look at me I'm a single dad
um I mean it's the ultimate chick magnet look at me I'm a single dad with this little you know towheaded baby and and
oh my wife tragically died by accidental drowning and I'm just trying to survive
and you know here light up and pop this and we'll babysit your kid while you go screw her and you know whatever and it
was I mean unfortunately for Bill but it was genius on Felix's part it really was
for the Deviant piece of [ __ ] that he is it was a genius move so Felix has his
son bill with him but they're they're definitely not living a traditional home family
lifestyle and Bill stays with him till he's like eight or nine or so but what what happens at this point Little Bill
bless his heart he says they're on this Orchard in California in mered California and he said there's this
little farm boy that he's talking to and he's like you know I just I don't like living like this I want a home I want to
eat I haven't eaten in two weeks I've had nothing but grapes for two weeks literally and this farm boy said you
should go to the police and tell him so Bill literally gets on the road and walks like two or three miles down the
road and finds the police station and says hey my dad is doing all this I'm tired of taking drugs I mean sad tragic
tragic story I'm tired of living this way oh by the way I heard him tell his girlfriend that he killed my
mom and the police were like whoa so that's the first time the investigation is reopened into Mary veil's death okay
and this is 1970 Louisiana comes to California interviews I don't know what happened but nothing happened it just it
it was dead in the water a horrible choice of words right there but um the police hear this this story from this
little boy that that his father had killed his mom and now they're going to go talk they're going to go talk to
Felix they put them on what they do is they go and they find Felix and Sharon and they're like hey your kid just
ratted you out they check them out they got all these pills on them I don't know
what kind of pills they were I don't I think it was LSD I don't know what they had had on them but they had drugs on
them so they charge them convict them for drugs and that's when he gets put on probation and his mom I think bailed him
out you know they get they get money to get bailed out of jail and his mom did it well at that stage Bill his son goes
back to Mississippi and lives with Felix's mom and dad and was from that point on raised by his mom and dad um
Felix showed up I don't know a year later him and Sharon show up at the farm and
Bill sees him and is just petrified totally petrified CU he's afraid that his dad is going to kill him because he
turned him over to the police you got to feel for this little boy here what ends
up happening with Bill and so Bill his son was raised in a Christian home and went on to college met a Christian woman
they married they were strong Christians unfortunately bill passed away I think it was in 2009
of cancer and but he had a family of his own uh I think three sons basically really didn't have anything to do with
his dad because he knew the truth in fact there's we have a audio tape of Bill talking to his preacher at his
church because he knew I think at this stage he knew he wasn't going to live that much longer because of the cancer
they had and so he he told his preacher to audio tape this confessional you know
and and talks about his growing up and how he was treated by his dad and this being druged all over the state of
California you know living in a tent and then turned him in and the confession that he made cuz when Felix told Sharon
that he killed his mother Bill heard that but Felix didn't know he heard it until bill went to the cops in Merced
California and turned him in that's when he found out and that's why when Felix showed up that very first time back at
the farm bill was so scared he thought he was going to kill him because of what he did you know what he had said to the
cops but that that time he showed up Sharon was already gone and he told Bill he said you don't
have to worry about her anymore I fixed her something along the lines of I fixed her to where she won't
tell anybody anything so Felix having killed his first wife do you think Gina do you think that once he met these
other women and once they became involved with him in a long-term relationship that Felix was of the
mindset that you know I'm just going to use this person up and however this relationship ends it's going to end on
my terms you know did he was their fate sealed when they met him and got involved with him were they already dead
in his mind at the end of that relationship yeah you know I'm going to be on the fence on that one and I know
that's the dumbest answer you could hope for the reason I say that is back in the
very beginning when I first met him I would have said oh yeah definitely but you know you're young and eager in the
case and you know it's early on and you're like oh yeah this guy just set out to kill all these women I don't
think that's the case to be honest with you and the reason I say that today is because since then I have learned that
there were so many other women he was married like seven times and there were so many other women
from the death of his first wife Mary Horton Vale to after The Disappearance of Anette
Veil his third his last wife or the that's yeah I think that is his last wife but after The Disappearance of
Anette that there were so many other women that we were unaware of until just in the past year maybe two that he had a
long-term relationship with he married them and there was domestic violence but they were able to escape so he didn't
set out thinking like the one woman and I I I won't divulge their names because they
are still around they're still living and the privacy issues if it's out there in the media go after it that's great
but I'm not gonna be the one to put it out there um but these women one woman you know he was choking in the shower
and it was upstairs and and her brother was downstairs he heard the commotion he
comes up and him and Felix getting a fight you know he's saving his sister so if one if her brother wasn't there he he
could have very easily and he probably would have killed her I there's no doubt in my mind that he would have killed her
but I don't think he set out in that relationship saying okay when I'm done with her and used her up and got all I
can out of her I'm going to kill her I don't think that's his intention I think what happened happened is when the Rel
when he because all of these other women that are still out there that had a relationship with him whether they
experienced domestic violence at his hands or not I think I don't think he set out to
kill each one of them to in the relationship but I think if he was in it long enough they were very short
relationship one woman he was married to for one month you know one woman he was
with for a couple of months they were very very short relationships I think if they were a year or better
they would have ended up dead Gina with all of your experience and I know you've
covered a lot of domestic cases during your career and some of them turn violent
what is the difference between Felix who is a killer and someone that is just prone to violence there there are men
out there that that will beat the [ __ ] out of their girlfriend or wife and they
there's a certain threshold they they'll stop at Felix you know you push that button and they're like okay you're
getting the [ __ ] beat out of you I might break your nose and bust your lip but
I'm gonna stop when I'm when I feel you've had enough Felix doesn't stop until they're dead that's the difference
once that button of his is pushed he carries it through to the end those women that are still living are lucky I
believe there's one more victim out there that's a good possibility I mean given the the length of this timeline
here and with how many women he claims to have had relationships with we've seen how some of these have ended but
why do you believe there's another victim out there the whole time I talked to him he only said one name
completely I've never been able to find her and piecing things together my theory is
that it was after The Disappearance of Sharon but before he met Annette so in the 70s he was traveling and Hiking
through Colorado and and he met up with a group of people and this is stuff he told me and he he was very much into
live food me and of course I'm like a live food what are you talking about you eat you catch a rabbit and just eat it
and not kill it I mean what do you do you know what are you talking about and no live food the way he explains it is
you go again like to an orchard you know grape vineyard and you pull the grapes right off the tree and you eat them
right there that's as fresh as they can be okay that makes sense I asked him I said well do you ever have again it was
one of those times I want to provoke him and see what he would say do you ever eat meat I mean how do you do live food
if you're eating meat well he steered clear of it and then I asked him again at another stage in the conversation and
I said what do you eat like sushi is that life food you know is a joke and he said no but he during this camping trip
in Colorado his whole life was like a extended camping trip I think at one point he tells me about a woman he met
up with and of course I have to hear all the graphic details about all the sex they had while they're camping and you
know all the detail about that and then at another stage of the conversation when I'm talking about the live food and
I jokingly talk about sushi you know and meat he makes a reference it's a weird reference and he says no but you know
I've tried it once before and um it's just it just wasn't totally my thing and I got the feeling
that it was while he was with these people in Colorado and he was talking about drinking blood and he claims it
was an animal but he wasn't very clear he was very very vague about all of this so my assumption is I I can't help but
Wonder wait wait wait wait a second so what are you saying are you saying that Felix killed a woman and then drank her
blood did he push this woman to the edge and kill her and decide just to try it you know just to see what it was like he
was very I believe him when he said I tried it and I didn't like it I do believe that but what was it that he
tried because he wasn't specific he didn't say oh it was a dough it was a rabbit it was a squirrel he just said it
was an animal you know he was and he is a very he's very detail oriented but he was very vague in that so it's in your
mind you know but I couple that with this story he tells me about this woman and the fact that I can't find her any
anywhere in existence at all and he was Smitten by her and it all coincides together and I can't help but
wonder if she's another victim that has just been never been identified and it would be very easy for
her to slip through the cracks because she came from Sweden according to him and they immediately connected and
she you know went her separate way you know his cryptic ending of the relationship it was very similar yeah we
see this time and time again with Felix he has these lengthy relationships with these women and then they just
supposedly leave on their own yet they're never seen or heard from again and I just wonder if that in the
Colorado trip and the live food with the blood and everything all coincides the timing just fits
so that's that's that story for what it's worth was there anything incriminating that Felix had said to you
or what did you get from him that they were able to use at his trial um he didn't tell me anything that was used in
court or that could have been used in court that was beneficial to the the case however when he was arrested I was able
to continue the undercover operation for several months after that by writing letters and then talking to
him on the phone from jail he would call me you know the reason I did that was because we
knew the journals were there the but we we couldn't get to them and law enforcement had come down in May to
arrest them and they had a warrant obviously for his arrest but then they had a warrant to search his property for
the journals well they were from Louisiana and in the state of Texas there's some law that does not allow
journals to be obtained with a search warrant whatever the law is you know I don't I
don't know those that's for the attorneys so they come down here and this warrant says you know what we're
looking for are personal journals and letters and things like that and the judge here in Texas said nope not
signing off on this because it's against our law okay fine so basically all they
could do is they all they could do was arrest them and that's all they did their warrant won't allow them to get
the journals but you've established a relationship with him you think you can get this information so I wrote him a
letter in jail and I said I said hey I can't at this stage in our relationship our plan was I told them I was divorced
and that I didn't have custody of my kid and i' gotten a big inheritance and I bought an RV and I was just going to go
sit at the beach and you know disconnect and I wanted him to come with me and of
course he was all over that and so that's how we left it and then of course when he's getting
arrested then I said how do I make contact with him to let him know that hey I'm still here and just see what
happens because I was there when he was arrested I was taking the pictures but I
had a hat on I had my hair pulled back I had a big camera in front of my face so
he didn't know it was me but at the time I didn't know that he didn't know it was
me I wasn't sure so I wrote him a letter as my character character and I said hey
I went by to see you your neighbor said you got arrested I saw it on the internet oh my God what
happened and he immediately writes back and he's like oh it's so great to hear from you I you know I'm getting
railroaded and it's a conspiracy you know that's been his story the whole time so I knew that he didn't know that
was me behind the camera so I was like okay let's ride this Pony out and see how long it'll last so I thought I've
got to get permission to get into to onto his property that's all I needed once I'm on
there I'll do whatever the hell I want so I asked him I said where's your truck what do you need me to do do I need to
go and like turn off the electricity or carry out trash or anything what do I need to do I'm I'm at your disposal and
so he rites back he said yes he said I want you to go and get my truck it's impounded at sheriff's department and
then the keys for everything is on is on the truck key ring go to my place then of course he had this like honeydew list
you know mow the grass and patch a hole in the roof and there's a tree that fell
over that needs to be rided all these things and I'm thinking I'm not doing that [ __ ] you know I'm going in I'm
going to snoop through everything so whatever and so of course I'm all over it and at this point we're riding and
he's calling me so every Saturday he would call me and then I'd get probably a letter a week from him so it took
about a week 10 days to get you have to get permission you know signed to release the truck to me so I get that
and I go on a Friday afternoon and my husband had taken me over there you know he'd followed me and we dropped my car
because I wasn't going to take anything off the property I didn't have permission to remove anything I wasn't
going to remove everything but I was going to photograph every damn thing the man owned so I went prepared and that's
exactly what I did and the first day I get over there it's about 4 4:00 5:00 in the afternoon and my husband left me
there and with my vehicle and he had taken off and went back home so I'm looking looking looking and I'm just I'm
not I'm looking for the journals and I'm not finding them at all and so I called my husband and I
said hey we're I'm not finding them I'm going to go on it's like 10 o'clock at this
point I said I'm going to go on and come home and I'll just come back tomorrow because there are a few things I hadn't
looked through well there was this one tote like a big plastic storage tote that I kept
overlooking because I thought tools were in it from another time that I was in there it looked like tools were in this
tote so I just kept ignoring it and but I kept going back to it so I thought I'm
just going to look in there and there was stuff piled on it so I set the stuff aside I opened it and it's full of all
his journals it's just like you know 30 journals in there the motherload and so of course I'm ecstatic at this point
this was in a part of the shed that was a storage room on the back side but there was no locking door or anything so
I put it inside the main part of the shed so I could lock it up cuz I I didn't know what was going to happen he
had been arrested about two or three weeks at this point and I didn't know if there were going to be vandals you know
somebody torched the place I didn't know you know so I wanted to secure them as best I could without removing them from
the property so I did and I go back the next day and I spent 16 hours photographing all the journals because
also I didn't know when or if my cover was going to be blown and once he tells me you cannot go back on the property I
couldn't go back on the property without trespassing obviously my main goal was to get all the data from the journals as
fast as possible and that's what I did that Saturday I went back and it was 16 hours and I just started photographing
pages page after page every single page that he wrote down I photographed and then he had a little file cabinet and I
went through there and he had things that were important to the trial like anette's original birth certificate he
had um the letters that he had written to his mother about The Disappearance of Sharon he had the original letters there
things like that so I took photographs of all that so those came into play during the trial we'll get right back to
Gina frenzel private investigator investigating serial killer Felix Vil right after this quick beer
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[Music] Freedom what are in Felix's journals they're the minutia in those journals
it's just it's nauseating there's so much he you know I woke up today at 7:45 I had a banana and blueberry
smoothie at 8:45 I did 72 situps and I mean it's it's ridiculously mundane but then every once in a while he'll just
interject something and you're like whoa wait a minute so it's almost like you have to go through them all I'll be real
honest with you I have not read them all the very first journal entry is December
31st 1984 an nette disappeared in October of 1984 everything prior to that is missing
it's gone and then you get into the '90s and there's a couple of years missing but then then it starts back up again
and you're like wait a minute so we kind of figured out a pattern that obviously he got rid of
things that were incriminating in the 90s he dated this woman and there was some domestic violence I think
associated with it and so my assumption is okay obviously he wrote about it and he thought oh I'm going to get rid of it
and got rid of it and I thought to myself why for for like a year I thought to myself why is it that every single thing
from 1984 back is just missing and right we need to find stuff prior to 1984 because this is when these
disappearances and the murders took place so you're able through reading his journals to figure out that there
there's a time period where he moves back into his parents home and he had always kept a lot of his things at his
parents' home after his mother passes away he has to leave so you're able to trace these things to the addict of his
parents' home and didn't you come across a section in his journals where he talks
and discusses about getting rid of these items all of the things he has kept in his parents attic forever and ever which
were the journals and he's burning them and he's REM mening as he's burning them and one of the thing and it's
really it's insignificant stuff except one section and he says and I'm paraphrasing but he he basically he
says you know with this whole family situation of arguing with you know there was there was family member by the
nickname of Bunchie arguing with Bungie and you know his wife and you know about
the estate and all this I have learned to and then also reflecting back on everything in my past life while I'm
reading the journals and then burning them he's basically saying all this in his journal he and this is not a
paraphrase he says I have learned how to resolve conflict without resort resorting to murder we were thankful
enough that Gina sent us a bunch of the audio from her undercover work when she was sitting with Felix in his home
interviewing him he's being recorded he does does not know uh we found this next
clip to be very insightful regarding his character swear on their life that our government never has or never will have
a a squad to kill people suicide I mean you know like assassination Squad yeah that they think the Arabs do or
everybody else the Govern actually doing Hitler and and Russia and oh [ __ ] government's got so many different well
the Recon Marines is one and he was a he was a Recon Marine is that what scared you about it
no I'd be scared hell yeah no it's just the thing that scared me about him and her both was these
uh these blind spots that their ego protects they're willing to fight to the death to protect you from attacking
those blind spots yeah they don't want to hear about it they did they ever come after you physically no oh it's just a
verbal type of attack that would be scary he he uh he thought about it really about it a
couple of times and God I reminded him who I am and so that's all it took he he's he's scared of me he doesn't
know he doesn't know how much I know about killing myself you know about killing people hurting pain whatever
incapacitating and I don't know I've studied 10 15 different forms of martial arts that gives us a chance to hear
Felix's voice to get a get a feel for his mannerisms and how he's talking to Gina and and some of the conversations
they had the thing here is though he the the important thing is listen to how he
responds when somebody has a problem with him there's a guy that has a problem with him from a previous
relationship and he states that guy does not know what I know about killing about
killing people very telling about Felix's character unfortunately Gina did not get that Smoking Gun material from
Felix he never stated anything that was highly incriminating regarding the death
of his first wife his second wife or The Disappearance of any other woman however there were some things that she
was able to provide to the state that they used as evidence at his trial as far as the undercover work there was no
confession there was no smoking gun or anything like that unfortunately however there were several things that I found
that that they were able to introduce like the letters that he wrote about The Disappearance of Sharon the fact that he
had anette's um original birth certificate and and her passport picture um those types of things that
was key because they were able to introduce this law and I think it's like a 404b or 401b I can't remember the name
of it but basically it allows the state to introduce during the trial previous bad
acts and part of that was The Disappearance of Sharon and Annette and part of their disappearance
and their story of The Disappearance were the inconsistencies of the you know the letter that I found and the passport
photo and the original birth certificate you know he says oh she took off with these guys to travel all over well she
didn't have her passport she didn't have her birth certificate and at that time she didn't have a driver's license so
those were her identifications and she didn't have them with her you know those types of things
so that was what I was able to bring to the table as far as my undercover work on the case Felix Veil is a arrested for
the murder of his first wife Mary Hortonville before the trial takes place Gina is in town now she suspects that
her cover may have been blown because this point we have newspaper articles there's all kinds of stories coming out
about this case she goes to the prison to speak with Felix and confront him to find out if he knows what she knows how
are you I'm I'm not very good how are you me neither me neither but I'm here like now so uh what's going on what's
what's the deal nothing just the circus yeah you know I mean it's like this is not the country I was born in yeah well
what what I want to know I mean I want to know what's happening what's I don't know I my best guess is that it's uh
some kind of circus um you know that I have gotten plucked up into yeah you know it's it's not there's no
real legal stuff going on they have they're there's a lot of stuff out there I know and it's all [ __ ] there's uh
what what they're saying that I did didn't even happen and I what did happen uh nothing nothing
happened you know uh my wife fell out of a boat 50 years ago and D found in a river and and that's the only thing that
they're even that's even halfway factual what about the other women what about them yeah what about them I don't know I
I mean I've dated like uh several hundred maybe in my lifetime I'm 74 I don't know where any of them are I don't
I I've never you know there's a couple of them that I think sound mentally interesting
and I I had an I made an agreement with them what do you mean an agreement an agreement that that we would look each
other up in about five years and have some conversation to see what either of us had had learned in that time if you
know and and that never happened none of them well I did I I looked of them up and who I'm not going to tell you
anything I mean I I I looked one of them up and and she was married to a guy and
didn't want to have any conversation with me so that was it I'm you know about a five minute visit and where I
met her husband and hugged them both and and uh was that was that your wife and that no no that there was not uh there's
just so much out there in the media there's so oh I don't care listen listen I I don't have that's why I want you to
tell me what I don't have I don't have a a a a computer because N I don't know what percentage but a way majority of
the information out there on the net is just stuff that people are playing with well then tell me what happened I don't
know what happened what what happened what what do you mean you don't know I don't know where did she go I don't know
I don't know where any of them went or are I you know I found them I every woman that I have ever been with I left
them when I left them or they left me they were they they were healthier and smarter than when I met them that's what
about what about that's the only common denominator there is well you know you're the common denominator well
sure you know I mean tell me tell me what why are they pointing finger at you with Sharon and Annette
also they're saying that you had something to do with them disappearing why why why did the three people who
started the rumor that there was Foul Play when my wife first wife fell out the boat why did those three people get
together and three people uh one of them that was in the boat that picked her up that wanted to
screw her before I married her and rented the hell out of the fact that I got her and he didn't okay that's one
another one was listen wait a minute I'm getting there okay another one was an insurance adjuster or whatever we had
travel insurance because we were had been in Mexico and we're going again all right so he didn't want to pay off any
kind of policiy so he got together with the guy in the boat and they found another guy who was a hot shot lawyer
fresh out of had to be fresh out of lawyer school at the time whose wife had come to my bed before she married him
and didn't tell him about it until after they were married and so he was gunning
for me also those three people got together and they convinced the district attorney at that time to do you know to
try to put together a case against all right look they tried they went they got four deputies to go beating the bushes
and talking to all kind of people and all right they both four deputies did tried to do the same thing that this
little writer out of Jackson Gary Mitchell yeah yeah yeah that's slimeball uh these four deputies tried
to do the same thing that he did except they didn't have his talent that guy guys got some okay but that was 51 years
ago okay so what so now they've they've they've reopened obviously reopened this
case and they look okay listen there was no case they tried to make a Cas those poor deputies you would be sitting here
if they didn't have something to put you here with I'm trying to tell I'm trying
to tell you listen they go to court on facts I know exactly no they don't not here this is kue Parish Louisiana wake
up wake up you know what you make up I've seen the pictures of Mary's body yeah yeah have you no I haven't asked
your attorney because I've seen them okay so what so what what about them ask your turny you need to see those
pictures who took them I don't know who took them but they were taken 51 years ago when their body was pulled out of
that River all right who who took them though I don't know did the coroner take them I had no idea the corer the cor no
they were not taken by the coroner because she he wasn't even out of the river yet okay so they can't use them in court
I don't know I have no idea I do they're using them anyway but they think I'm they think I'm ignorant enough not to
know that well when you look at those pictures that sure as hell doesn't look like an accident to
me have you ever seen a floater that came out of the kashu river with all the debris and sunking barges and everything
that's got on the bottom of it yeah but I'm not talking about that well I I have I'm not talking about
scrapes and scratches and crab bites and things like that that's not what I'm talking about well you need to see those
pictures I I I have not seen him yet I would like to see him so what tell me about Sharon I don't know anything about
Sharon you're telling me that she just you know the story is that she just sailed off into the I don't know I don't
know where she is or where she went any more than I do any of the other 200 or whatever I'm not talking about the
300 400 I don't know I I don't know I you know one time I tried to count them up and I lost counted at about 200 in in
my lifetime that's irrelevant I'm talking about the ones that are in the media okay yeah in the media I don't
know I don't know any more about them than I do the others what about the jacket that Mary
was wearing that white jacket that she was wearing I don't know anything about it I don't you sure have talked about it
I have not remembered what kind of clo she had on I don't I had no idea that she had a scarf on I didn't remember
that you your original statements to the police said that she was wearing a jacket when you asked and when her body
was this we this week no I say this I said your state your original statement to the police 50 years ago oh and and
and she wearing a jacket in the accident report yeah well then then that's probably accurate I don't remember now
know jacket what happened to it I don't don't know I didn't I didn't remember that she had one on I mean if if if I
said that at the time then she probably did well she was wearing a jacket and we
find her body and she doesn't have a jacket on okay well I don't know anything about
that and then Sharon you have different stories you have different stories of who she left with I don't know who I
don't remember who she left with I gave it my best shot when her mother who she didn't like
her mother shipped her off she got pregnant and the mother know that shipped her off and you know to avoid
religious embarrassment because her mother was a really straight that's irelevant that was long after y'all okay
you know Sharon didn't want to be around I went with Sharon one time to visit her
folks and they they had uh you know we were there a couple of days I think and she tried to have one conversation with
her mother that did not work out very well and didn't try anymore she talked with her brother some
and her father probably about the same amount that she did with her mother which was like uh 15 minutes or
something so what happened what happened why did she just take off where did she
take off from I don't know I don't remember I mean you know some some place where Boats were that we were playing
with some boat people what were their names because you said oh I don't I don't know I don't
remember I I I proa I might have guessed at the time that I tried to you know I mean at the time I would think you would
know no I I didn't want to go with them oh I'm not taking issue with the fact you didn't want to go with they they
were swinging people and I didn't want to go with them I didn't take issue with them I don't know what their names were
you knew back then I don't know that I did I don't might have I I gave it my best
shot and what about in that you said you put it on a bus in St Louis I remember that
yes but I don't know I don't know the names of the people that she left with she left with people on the buik well
yeah you know like people she met no we had just met them at the zoo we were walking around at the zoo and we met
these people there were uh three guys three guys and two girls one girl two girls why would she put on a people oh
oh they were going to to uh South America you know they were going south why would she why would she leave with
she wanted to go south she was ready why didn't you go with her I we we had you know listen she the only reason we
married was so that she wouldn't get taken away from me while we were traveling okay one one point we were in
some country and um when we weren't married and they almost took her away from me okay well I can understand that
so what I'm saying is why why would she why would you not go with her y'all were
together for a long time oh no we were together off and on like just like Sharon when I and several other women
that that traveled with me or stayed periods of time with me then they would go be with other people for periods of
time and they would some of them would come back you know Annette and Sharon were two of the ones that periodically
would come look me up wherever I was well I thought I I got the impression of together all the time because they oh no
no no no so so when she just she just gets on the bus says I'm G to go with these people I just met for sure she had
done it before and that was the last time you saw her yeah yes it was yeah I don't believe that well you
don't have to believe it I don't care who believes it I mean you know I'm I'm just shooting from the hip I have been
from the start yeah not not not like you of course shooting from the hip you it's
your job no I a pretty pretty dead on and I get what I'm going after I I I hope you're getting paid well NOP not a
single time not a single time yeah yeah what's your motive Justice wow you're in the wrong place I
don't think so C Parish Louisiana I think I'm in the right place I'm on this side of the glass Justice is a joke here
they make up their own they make up their own laws they're breaking several federal laws
by even having me in here they got no they got no probable cause there's nothing cause they have sexual evidence
Felix sexual evidence sexual they have no factual evidence of of anything yeah they do they wouldn't have been able to
get an indictment on you that's not true yeah in any other place it would be true
you know what I I was told you know that that's I know that I'm the only person that really knows to have nothing
because nothing I have done nothing bad to anybody yeah no listen I slapped one woman in my life what about okay okay
let me tell you this you tell me then who was that woman I'm not going to tell you who it was but she SLA me three
times was it best no no no she slapped me three times first and I told her each time don't do that again third time I
slapped her so she would stop slapping me okay that's the one woman I have ever hit it's not that's okay no listen
the the there was two different times I I studied martial arts when I got when I
wanted to travel I didn't want to be paranoid about getting robbed So and I've only had to use it twice one
time three guys jumped me coming out of a restaurant with a date and they were going to knock me out and take my date
and my money and and they they they were listen they were not successful with that another time I was walking down the
street with a woman a date and four guys jumped me and they were not successful either I waled them all
and one of them held my date up against the building while three of them tried to take me down I waled them out in the
middle of the street where we were stopping traffic and when people when traffic stopped on both sides of us with
their headlights on it was night blowing their horns these guys freaked out and ran and turned to slle okay but what is
that happen okay I'm just telling you that's the only two times in my life that I have used violence and it was
both times in self-defense that's it I'm I'm not a criminal I'm not a a bad person I have not been violent I'm
not well you know you you didn't respond otherist this person when there are when
there are court records that show that you beat the [ __ ] out of best Fields you
beat the crap out of her there is no court then how how was she able to get a restraining order against you okay she
she I she called me down to the courthouse and I got in a room with her and two two or three guys
two I know and we sat there and talked for third for like 15 10 15 minutes and then and she told
him her version of what happened I told him my version of her what happened they
weren't that far apart other than the fact that you the crap out of her was that was not that was not true okay
so so after like 10 or 15 minutes of all of us talking we were all laughing the the the two deputies and Beth and myself
all laughing okay end the story you know no no uh forget it okay so I'm I'm walk
out and I go to get in my truck Beth follows me out and and halfway to my truck and ask me if she can come home
with me and does and we screw each other's brains out for a couple of days it's that doesn't matter that's okay it
doesn't matter to you no it doesn't matter but the fact is that there was enough evidence for her to get a
restraining order against you that means and her story is maybe maybe there was enough but she didn't I mean that was
not that was the end of it but you're you're just you're just making you you sound like you read Jerry
Mitchell's no you know that's I read the Tulsa Oklahoma police report case File okay listen on a net I have read every
police report every case File ever written about you okay yeah I don't get my information don't you forget you
think it's all true I know it's all true oh wow you know don't forget that very first day that I
met you what did I tell you I did as a for a living an an private investigator that's exactly it and that is still what
I do for a living I don't try to blame other people for my AC so you're Don female Don coyote sure you call me what
you want what did you do to them all those years in Oklahoma what did I do to them
yeah what did you do to him I know what you did to him I have confirmation what you did to him you think I hadn't talked
to him from who and and and they told you that I did some stuff to them yeah and you kind of
told told on yourself too in those journals wow yeah baby set them yeah you did want
more than babysit him no you're never going to admit anything that you've done are you I I if
what anything that I've done I mean everything in your life is always somebody else's
that's amazing this amazing everything in your life is always somebody else's fault isn't it no no no yeah you you
sound like a Serial thing like J I'm not a Serial anything you've made a Serial thing out
of me though in your mind and so you're not interested in the truth you're you're tell me the truth you I'm tell I
no no you dance around with [ __ ] and ego crap tell me the facts tell me the facts I have and and no because you say
well I don't remember I don't [ __ ] you remember you don't want to tell me I I I tell you I don't remember when I
don't we had a lot of fun together all three of us I'm sure pedophiles have fun with little kid no no no no no I'm I'm
not you don't like the labels I'm isn't it I'm not bad I've never done that yes you have yes you have where where you're
you're so so why you want me to tell you the facts and then when I do you're you're telling
me no you are lying Felix you are wow I am an investigator and that's what I do I find out information and I go after it
and I prove it either right or wrong okay and I have proven more things right about you than wrong and now is your
chance to tell me whether it's true or not and I have told you what's true and but you won't explain anything away you
just gloss over it um um there's nothing that I have done that needs to be explained away yeah okay let's go back
to herette what about her okay you said the last time you saw her you put her on
a bus that's true three weeks later she was seen with you in another location yeah we have
witnesses to that no yeah no you don't yeah you you GNA tell me this thing in blue right here because it goddamn sure
is it is it's a fact and and these witnesses that saw us together weeks after yeah three weeks after what after
you're saying you put her on a bus I don't remember what the date was of that but I no but you were on record early on
in the investigation with Tulsa Police Department I don't I don't know about you know I don't know about the
accuracy of I mean the bottom line is you know you know you can sit here and get past all your ego crap but the
bottom line is in the bottom of your heart you you know you're never getting out of here you know that so why not
just tell the other two families about where their women are so that they can sleep at night do you sleep at
night do you you're incredible yeah it is incredible you're incredible absolutely I damn sure am incredible
that's right you know you're never getting out of here no I don't know that I do you're
never getting out of here no that's not true you're never going to get out of here so why not just give the fam's
closure they they had no right to arrest me [ __ ] they had every right in the world no they didn't they didn't have a
you do not have the right to take someone else's life no of course not and you have I never have why the only time
I even thought any other people were the the two times that I told you about that's a lie that one well okay
[Music] that's well that was intense right mhm like can you imagine going into the jail
house or the prison to confront a guy that is going to face charges well and the other fascinating thing here captain
is we have yes Gina is a private investigator that is what she does for her career but if you heard early in the
interview she says that from time to time she will take on these cold cases pro bono because she she wants Justice
for these families you know she's essentially doing what a lot of the armchair detectives and web sthers wish
they could be out doing the difference here is she put herself in in the way of harm you know she put herself in the
Lion's Den she went and knocked on his door and sat in his home and spoke with somebody that she suspected to be a
multiple murderer right and had to stare in his eyes and uh smell his Bo yeah yeah well ultimately Felix Vil was
convicted of the murder of his first wife Mary Horton Vil who was found decades before dead in a river near
their home unfortunately regarding The Disappearance of Sharon Hensley and Annette Carver Vale there's been no
justice in the those two cases uh I do want to point out some people that that really made this come true you know this
this is something that should have been worked out decades before it would have never gotten done if it wasn't for
people like Gina frenzel the private investigator that we spoke with Jerry Mitchell the investigative journalist
who kept these stories alive and the mother of Annette Mary Rose now Mary Rose has stated that she is disappointed
that they didn't have enough evidence to charge Felix with The Disappearance or death of her daughter MH uh you know but
she has some closure in the fact that she knows that the man she suspects and has always suspected of killing her
daughter is now in prison and he will be there until the day he dies well and uh
one of the things that I just find so fascinating coming from the True Crime world is how many audiobooks have we
listened to how many podcasts have we listened to how many books have we read and we get we dive into a case and we
start doing a little bit of work ourselves and it was the same thing here private private investigator or not that
that's what happened she read this book she got invested and then she did work and she was able to uncover some stuff
for for the prosecution she became a witness for the prosecution um very interesting story and then to have her
being confronted and tough cookie right M to have her confront him at the end of
the day in jail before the trial um I'm sure when he saw uh her at trial uh he almost pooped his
pants well I do want to point out here uh that the the cases like this provide hope and should provide hope to families
and friends and communities lost loved ones from years ago a case doesn't have to go cold and I want to thank Mary Rose
Jerry Mitchell and especially Gina frenzel for working this case and and bringing that hope back to all of us
that look into these cold cases and we just want to thank private investigator Gina for talking with us and we we were
interested in this bringing this as a story or episodes to our show just to kind of show a different side mhm you
know uh instead of us just sitting in the garage and talking there's there's a lot of different facets uh of the
investigation process to bring Justice that are definitely interesting uh do we have a recommended reading for this week
uh yes this week we are recommending American Kingpin by Nick Bilton uh in 2011 a programmer launched the ultimate
free market called The Silk Road on a website hosted on the dark web where anyone could trade drugs hacking
software forged passports counterfeit money poisons without Big Brother keeping an eye on things M after a while
the media got wind and the new website where teenagers dealers hackers and terrorists could buy and sell Contraband
detection free was investigated this is the true story of the Epic hunt for the criminal mastermind behind the Silk Road
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What if somehow you learned about someone's past? You know the secrets of a monster. What would you do? One murdered woman and two missing women all had one thing in common, they were married or had an intimate relationship with the same man. Tonight we chat with Private Investigator, Gina Frenzel. She got involved in the investigation of a serial killer but to do so she had to sit down with the monster.

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Brief Summary

Felix Vil's relationships with three women lead to death and disappearances, revealing a pattern of manipulation and violence.

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True Crime Garage Introduction. Nick and the Captain welcome listeners and share their beer choice for the night.
Felix's Manipulative Tactics. Felix uses his son as a pawn to survive in a nomadic lifestyle.
Bill's Tragic Childhood. Bill reveals his struggles with his father and the tragic death of his mother.
Discovering the Motherload. The investigator finds 30 journals full of crucial information.

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Felix learned quickly he could take his son and use him as a pawn.

Discussion about Felix's manipulative behavior with his son.

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