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some true crime. [music] >> [music] >> Kathy Paige was only 34 years old when she was found slumped forward inside of
her own car, a black Mercury Tracer. The first facts investigators settled on were stark and brutal. She had been
beaten and she had been strangled. Later, a rumor would circulate that came about by way of claims that she had also
been raped, perhaps while being strangled. What never changed, even as details were debated and theories
hardened, was the way that the scene looked at first glance to some people, like a tragic accident that simply
happened at the wrong bend in the road. But the story did not stay an accident for long.
Kathy's body was discovered on May 14th, 1991. And over time, her death came to be one
of the longest unsolved cases in southeast Texas. People would say her name with the kind
of familiarity reserved for local tragedies that never found resolution. And from early on, many in the
community, even within the wider conversation around the case, would point at one person again and again, her
husband, separated from her at the time, Steve Page. More than three decades later, those accusations and suspicions
remain part of the case's shadow, while Steve Page remains a free man. This is the killing of Kathy Paige, the
case that would not close. And this is True Crime Garage. >> [music] >> Kathy Paige was born Lucille Catherine
Falton on January 8th, 1957 in Vder, Texas. She was the daughter of James Falton and Dorothy Anne Fulton.
And for most of her life, she went by Kathy. Family members described her as gregarious, someone who could be a lot
of fun. And the way people spoke about her made it clear she wasn't only remembered for how she died. She was
remembered for how she moved through her life. Social, outgoing, and as some put
it, a pretty blonde who attracted attention in her hometown. Vider itself sits in western Orange County, part of
the region known as Southeast Texas near the junction of Interstate 10 and Farm to Market Road 105, roughly 6 milesi
northeast of Bowmont and Rose City. It is described as a bedroom community, quiet residential, tied to the economic
gravity of the refining complexes in Bowmont and Port Arthur and connected to the broader Bowmont Port Arthur
metropolitan area. Kathy worked as a waitress and one of the places associated with her life was the Hoffra
Steak and Grill House on North 11th Street in Bumont, Texas. It was described as a popular restaurant
serving Texas style country cooking. Pork chops, ribs, fish, shrimp, and steaks were all featured on the menu. In
later years, the location would change businesses. What once had been a steakhouse became the Crazy Cinjun
restaurant, a seafood spot known locally. Kathy Fulton would eventually marry Steve Paige in November of 1978 in
Jefferson County, Texas when Kathy was just 21 years old. Steve Paige was a local insurance salesman who loved
basketball and who swept Kathy off of her feet. In those recollections, Cathy's family initially approved of the
relationship and approved of Steve Page. Kathy's older sister would later say in
an account attributed to the Daily Mail, quote, "I thought he was a really nice guy, and multiple family members echoed
that they liked him in the beginning." They eventually had two daughters, Aaron, who was born the year following
the marriage, and then Monica, who was born in 1983. They were married for over 12 years and
it is said that the relationship was marked by breakups and makeups. Over time, however, at least one of Cathy's
sisters, Sher Valentine, said that she had doubts from the early on stages in the marriage. She described Steve as an
arrogant man, and she said she never felt that he was the kind of companion that she would want for her sister. She
also characterized Kathy and Steve as being opposites, as if something fundamental didn't fit, even when things
looked good from the outside. This captain will bring us to 1991. And by May of 1991, the marriage was
ending. This is according to just about anybody you could talk to that knew both
Kathy and Steve. By 1991, the relationship between Kathy and Steve was described as finished, done, and over
with. Kathy was said to be asking for what she called a friendly divorce, and Steve had reluctantly agreed to move out
of the family's home. Now, there are multiple closely spaced events described in the days leading up to Kathy being
found dead. And some of those are events where people say that they had been arguing. That seems very likely
considering that we know that the marriage was pretty much over by this point and Steve had secured another
place to live at this time. However, he's not living there just yet. So, he's in the process of moving some of his
belongings out of the family home and getting set up in this new space. May 11th, 1991 is often reported to be
either the last night that Steve stayed at the family home or the first night that he stayed at his new living
arrangement. Some reports state that it was a an apartment. Others state that it
was a condo. It wasn't terribly far away from the family home. But like we had said with Kathy asking for what she was
calling a friendly divorce, this was going to be a situation where the parents, both of them wanted the other
parent to remain involved in the kids' lives and work together to continue to raise their daughters even though they
would be living in separate dwellings. >> Yeah. And she might have been calling this a friendly divorce, but we don't
really know what Steve thought of this. And >> now you can ask for a friendly divorce.
Doesn't mean that you're going to get one. >> Right. And your definition of of a
friendly divorce could be different than what Steve thought was a friendly divorce.
>> May 12th, 1991 was a Sunday. And the family of four, they're going to spend the day together. This was planned in
advance. So, Steve and Kathy spent the day with their family, taking their two daughters to the beach. Later, Steve
fried shrimp for the family. The day was one that was supposed to be truly like the last normal good day together, all
four of them. They already had plans in place for the four of them to spend the day together. But again, by this day,
Steve would spend the night away from the house. And as said, he moved out of the house, and it seems to be 100%
official by this Sunday, May 12th. >> Yeah, reading this, it made me wonder if Steve thought if I just play nice, maybe
our onagain, off-again relationship will just go back to on again. That seems to
be the way that the reports have held up to this day where Steve said, "Look, I think she was just going through a phase
and she would come out of it and we would resume our time together." But the people that knew Kathy seemed to think
like, as said, it was finished, done, and over with, >> right? But sometimes in a relationship,
what the person is telling their partner as opposed to what they're telling their
family could be two different stories. >> Regardless of what's going on and what
they are telling people, the general narrative keeps circling back to the same idea. Steve is leaving. He's moving
out of the home, but he will still be present in the household, the typical household setup, helping with the
children as reported by all sides. Right >> now, this is going to lead us to May
13th, 1991. So, Steve reportedly came back to the family house. This to help the children
get ready for school that morning. And he drove them to school and he made some business calls and returned to
the home, or at least as it's reported, to the home before noon. Now, he says that afternoon that Steve and Kathy
washed one of the vehicles, family vehicles together. Later, they went separately. So, they drove separately to
the ballpark for the girls baseball games. The girls are playing in two different baseball leagues or softball
leagues. Details become more vivid here as if the ordinary is being pinned down because everything afterward
becomes contested in this story. Kathy was described as wearing blue jeans and a green shirt at the ballpark. After
Monica, one of their daughters, after Monica's game ended, Kathy took Monica home. It was said to be Cathy's normal
practice to park next to the house if she arrived home first. A lot will be made about where people parked in the
driveway. I'm not going to lie to you here, Captain, or try to sell you a bill of goods here. I I didn't couldn't
understand exactly why because there's some other things in this timeline that are much more questionable throughout
the telling of this true crime story that I think our listeners will agree with me on that front.
>> Yeah. But also sometimes parking is just out of habit. But if Steve is not in the house and not
staying at the house, why would it matter? She can park wherever she wants, >> right? What may have been considered
someone's spot prior, that seems to to me wouldn't matter anymore at this point. What we do know is Steve stayed
at the ballpark with their other daughter, Aaron, until her game ended. This was much later in the day. So, he
then returned to the house. And it's reported that this would have been as early as 9:00 p.m. or could have been as
late as between 9:30 and 1000 p.m. At some point late that night, the story splits into parallel tracks.
Okay, we're going to have Steve's account and Kathy's communications with a friend and what police later said they
learned about Kathy being with another man that night. So this is where everybody agrees that they all went to
the ballpark separately. They all returned to the family home separately and at some different times.
>> But after this point really everything can be called into question here. >> So Steve's version of what happened that
night includes this. He said when he went back to his new place. So he he actually drops off his daughter and then
goes to his new what would be his new residence. He says he arrived there late May 13th. But he
says once he's there, Kathy called him and asked if he would come back to the house and stay at the house because she
wanted to go over to a friend's place or go out with friends in Bmont. Now Kathy
worked as we said as a waitress. So I would imagine her schedule isn't a traditional Monday through Friday 9 to5,
>> right? >> So this would make a lot of sense. And it sounds like Steve was working a more
traditional Monday through Friday 9 to5. So, she clearly plans on being out late
if she's asking Steve to stay over and then that way he's there to get the girls up, get them ready for school,
take them to school like he had did that earlier that day, >> right? >> Or she would return at some point and
take over those duties. That part, that understanding of what they had worked out doesn't make its way to our report.
But also, if you're Steve and you're thinking, "Hey, I'm trying to get my foot back in the door. Hey, I'll be over
there. The closer I'm to her, the more family man that I am, the more chance that we have of getting back together."
>> Couldn't hurt. Could not hurt. And it even if you that wasn't your desire, there's no reason that your divorce,
your separation from your wife should don't let that ruin your relationship with your daughters. And keep in mind,
the daughters are still young at this point. They're 12 and 7 years old. So leaving them alone would not have made
sense that night. So the other part of the story which doesn't really refute what Steve is saying, it's just
more information and different information. Okay, so we have Kathy's friend and coworker. Her name is
Charlotte Swearing and she's going to play a big role in the story because Charlotte says that Kathy called her
around 9:30 p.m. or maybe as late as 10:00 p.m. that night. She said that Kathy told her that she was going out
and reminded her Charlotte not to answer her phone that night if anyone called. Okay. So, she's requesting this of her
friend specifically in case Steve tried to call Charlotte's home. >> Right. She's telling Steve I'm going out
with Charlotte, but she's really going out with somebody else. >> Right. You and I are going out together
as far as he knows. If he calls your home and you pick up the phone and I'm not home or on my way home by that
point, he's going to know that I I'm not doing what I said I was going to do. Charlotte knows what's going on. She
knows that Kathy was meeting a particular man. Now, she does say this is the only time that Kathy had ever
asked her to cover for her while she was meeting a man. In all of the accounts, people know who this man is, but in all
the reports here, Captain, the man is identified only as Tom. So, what we do learn is that Kathy had was meeting this
Tom, another man at a hotel in Bowmont on the night of May 13th, 1991. This is approximately 6 miles away from her
home. From my understanding, this is a man that she met while she was at work. And it sounds like this guy
traveled for his b for his business or for his career. and he would often stay at the same hotel in town. So, take that
information for however you want it. The general story here becomes that Kathy left his
presence around 2:00 a.m. or so. Other phrasing in the account places Kathy leaving Bowmont at 2:30 a.m. However,
regardless if it was 2 a.m. or 2:30 a.m., nobody confirms having seen her alive again after this timestamp.
>> Right. >> Charlotte, her friend, described another moment that night, saying that around
12:30 a.m. her phone at her home rang. She picks up the phone. The caller hung up without speaking a word. She said
>> could be Steve, could not be Steve, >> right? We we don't know. She said that
that night uh she had received hang-up calls. She had also received hang-up calls on other
occasions and she has stated that she assumes that on some of these occasions, if not all, it may have been Steve, but
again, she has no way to confirm that. We cannot confirm that. Charlotte also said that Steve called her around 3:00
a.m. This time she speaks with him. He's looking for her, looking for Kathy, >> which is reasonable because if he's
going over pretty late at night, he's not going to, you know, if she's leaving at 9:30 or 10:00, you're not going to
expect her back in 2 hours. But after 3 or 4 hours, you'd probably start getting pretty worried.
>> Yeah. And so there's no reason to believe that Steve did not call Charlotte in the early morning hours.
The only thing that comes into question here is that time shifts in different tellings of this story. So
>> Charlotte has always said he called her at 2:30 a.m. Steve has told people that
he called Charlotte at 2:30. He's told other people he called her at 3:30. He's told other people he called her at 4:30.
So he he doesn't deny calling Charlotte, >> right? >> What time did that actually happen?
>> Now, let's back up here a little bit >> to earlier that night because some of
these details could be true, could be fiction, but they're going to matter either way. So Steve says that when he
arrived back at his family's home, remember Kathy, he said, "Hey, could you come back to the house, watch the kids?
I'm going out." He says when he arrived back at their home, Kathy was getting out of the shower. She was wrapped in a
towel. He said one thing led to another. This led to them having sex on the carpet. So on the floor in the
living room area or the living area. Now, one thing I want to be clear about here because I've seen some very good
reporting in this case, but I've also seen some bad reporting. actually some very bad reporting in this case which
can be easy to happen when you have a lot of he said she said they said kind of stuff going on here which we we will
see that will be the case here but for the purpose of clarity some reports refer to this as the lounge
area. If you do enough digging and you read all the reports out there, you will come to the conclusion that the living
room and the lounge are the same. It's just called different depending on who is
>> right >> telling you what went down. In his account, Steve says they have sex in the
living room, which look seems like a very strange place. You've got two kids inside the home. You know, you have a
master bedroom >> that you two share together at one time. They're asleep, but wouldn't be my first
choice. >> But also, they had a nice day as a family, so it's not out of the realm of
possibility. And then if she's going to go see another guy and she's worried about Steve finding out, well, if we
have sex real quick, he's not going to assume that I'm going to go see another guy after we just had sex. He says that
Kathy left the house between 11:15 and 11:30 p.m. He described her clothing and items with specificity, saying that she
was wearing a gray blouse, white pants, white shoes, a watch, earrings, and a wedding ring. He said that he watched TV
briefly and then went to bed sometime between 11:30 p.m. and midnight. and he was sleeping in his underwear under uh
blankets. And it's I can't confirm this because this is not in most of the reports, but in at least one report, I
found that he was sleeping in a guest room, not in their master bedroom. So, this would make sense to some. I would
think that he's sleeping in a different room. if she intends to come home and then go to bed that night, maybe they're
not going to sleep together that night. His story continues into the early morning.
>> Just because you sleep together doesn't mean you sleep together, right? >> He says Kathy never came home. Instead,
a paper boy found Kathy's car near the home and it appeared that her vehicle had crashed into a ditch and Kathy is
found inside and dead. Now, after Kathy was found, it was reported that she was wearing the same clothing
that was stated by Steve that she was wearing when she left the home. However, there were some critical items that were
missing. Accounts say that her socks, her watch, earrings, and he said she was wearing a wedding
band, but the reports say any rings were missing from her body and from the vehicle. The absence became part of of
those items become a big part of this mystery. not just what was missing, but what it suggested about where Kathy had
been that night, how she had been handled, and whether someone had tried to alter what the scene would say to
investigators. So, what we have to point out here, Captain, is what is probably obvious to most of our listeners. The
way that the vehicle is positioned and how it is found to the untrained eye would suggest
vehicle accident person inside died in the car during that accident. >> Yeah. What would be learned is how she's
found in the vehicle those missing items and later the later the autopsy would confirm that she did not crash her
car. She did not die in that crash and in fact she was murdered and everything is suggested that she was placed in that
vehicle and someone staged that scene to make it appear as if she crashed her car
after a night of drinking with her friends on her way home from hanging out. So, police said that they were at
the scene soon after 5:00 a.m. on May 14th, 1991 when Cathy's vehicle was found nosed down in a ditch near the
intersection of the I 10 Service Road and West Boulevard Street. Remember, a paper boy had discovered this vehicle.
The car was described as half hidden and located only a short distance from Kathy's home, so only about 100 yards.
She's roughly a football field or less from her home. So, some might look at this and go, "Well, she almost made it,
but she crashed into this ditch." But one thing that I found reported in I believe it was two of the reports out
there, Captain It, this this part makes no sense if someone is trying to stage the scene to make it look like she was
driving home and crashed into the ditch and was killed. the vehicle was was positioned in a way that it was not
heading it it's not pointing to or toward her home. It's pointing the opposite way.
>> Right? >> And all the reports say the same thing that it had to have been staged to
resemble an accident and they point to these different items here that there was very slight damage to the vehicle.
There was no evidence to suggest that she realized that she was going to crash and attempted to slam on the brakes. To
the investigators, the evidence suggested the car had been rolled slowly into the ditch rather than
crashing into it. The car was described as extremely neat and clean with the exception of two What a burger cups that
were found on the floorboard. >> Right. The rear view mirror was turned left and touching the windshield.
Kathy's body >> were the cups from that night. Do we know? >> I have no idea. Kathy's body was in the
driver's seat. Her purse was upright in the passenger seat. So upright, right? Like the the cups on the floor might
suggest that there was some kind of crash. Her purse just kind of chilling there in the seat suggest otherwise. In
my opinion, she wasn't wearing a seat belt. Her head was tilted to the right, leaning against the headrest. And there
was most of the reports out there state that there was no blood in the car. So, to be
as fair as we possibly can, let's say there was very little, if any, blood in the vehicle at all. Yeah, this part has
always troubled me because I go, is this a staged crash or is this a situation where crime happens, our victim is
deceased and the vehicle goes into drive or goes into is placed into drive or placed into neutral and and then the car
just ends up doing what the car does and nobody because the victim's dead, they can't they're not controlling the car.
Injuries and such are reported as Kathy's nose had been broken. There were marks on her interpreted as indicating
she had been strangled. The reports suggest that it was someone using their left hand.
Closer inspection revealed transfer blood on the inside of her clothes, which investigators took as an
indication that the clothes had been put onto her body after injury was inflicted. Okay. So, we should note
here, captain, that there was blood at the back of her head, but no other blood was visible at the scene. Again, her
nose had been broken. Marks on her neck indicated she'd been strangled with the left hand. And that transfer blood
inside her clothes is a very troubling matter here because again that's an indication that that she was attacked
and likely killed and then redressed after injury was inflicted. Police also would say that blades of grass on the
underside of the back of her jeans suggested that her body at some point had been dragged. Uh, she was wearing no
makeup. She wore no watch. She had no jewelry on and of course no wedding band. What people that knew her best
would later state is that Kathy was notorious for removing her makeup and jewelry before going to bed. First
responders moved her body and placed it into an ambulance for transport. The vehicle was taken in for processing.
Meanwhile, two police officers went to Cathy's home. When officers arrived at the Page home, they noted that no lights
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and the guy. >> Raise him high >> to this guy. >> So, we have this accident scene, right?
And keep in mind, a lot of the stuff that we're about to go through here, Captain, they're going to be processing
this scene at the same time that these activities are taking place. So, these investigators that are going to arrive
at the Paige family home, again, about a football field away from where the crash, if you want to call it that, took
place, they're likely armed with some information, but not the majority of the information that we just covered. And
they say that when they arrived there that the lights, all of the lights were off inside the home, as one would expect
when a family is inside sleeping, >> right? >> So, they knock on the door. Steve Paige
is the one who opens the door. Now, one of our and this has been something that that people really hate about this case
and it's come under the lens of suspicion over the years. One of the officers on the front porch of the home
is Detective Mosley. Now, it's important to note here that Detective Mosley and Steve Page knew each other for most of
their lives. They grew up together on the same street. They went to the same school. They've known each other
practically forever now. Some reports state that they were friends, that they were tight friends. Other reports simply
state that they grew up and they've known each other their entire lives. >> Right?
>> The key factor here being that if you are reading an article that is suggestive of a police cover up, and
every one of those articles, Detective Mosley and Steve Page are very good friends.
And the articles that don't hint at a police cover up, they are simply two guys that grew up on the same street,
went to the same schools, and have known each other their entire lives. So, the officers say that Steve answered the
door wearing only his boxers. When asked about Kathy, he tells them she's not here and asks the police if they are
knocking on their door regarding her. M >> Detective Mosley noted something that
would later be repeated time and time again in this case. >> Yeah. The tip of Steve's penis was
showing through his boxer shorts. >> Well, he says that when Steve stepped outside to talk with them, he he looked
toward the direction of the crime scene or the crash. >> Okay. >> Before having been told what had
happened. Okay. Now, that on the surface when we have the detective noting things
like this, and you'll see other things that detective mostly noted in his reports, to me, that's suggestive that
the police weren't covering, specifically mostly covering for Steve Page. He He's saying, "I'm suspicious of
this guy right away because he's looking in the direction of the crash scene, >> right? He shouldn't know what direction
the crash scene was, >> right? We've not told him anything yet. However, I will go out of my way to
defend Steve Paige here. >> Can only look one way or the other. >> Well, and given the short distance
between the crash scene and the home, look, there's there's police cars there. That's that draws everyone's attention
all of the time. >> So, >> and and and my question would be, do they have their lights on? Cuz if they
have their lights on, that's where you're going to look, >> right? I would imagine they have some
form of lights on to at least light up the scene. Now whether that's the blue and reds. We we don't know. But so also
on the front porch with Detective Mosley is Lieutenant Carter who accompanied the
detective to the house to tell Steve that they had found Kathy Paige dead. They go inside to deliver this
information and the lieutenant says in that moment that Steve became very emotional that he threw himself on the
couch and started crying out loud. However, Detective Mostly observed and reported that Steve had no tears during
this moment. And both officers say that Steve did not ask to see his wife, nor did he insist on going to the scene of
the crash. Now, we need to keep in mind they're telling Steve that his wife is dead,
>> right? They're not telling him I'm not going to the scene of the crime, >> but or the scene of the crash. They're
not They're not telling him that she was murdered, >> right? >> They're telling him that she's dead,
that her car was found in a ditch. Leave Leave it up to him to put those pieces together. And while there, they both
officers say they were there for about 15 to 20 minutes between the time on the porch and the time inside. This is where
I think they made their mistake. I don't think they should have left or at least
left one of the officers there. They did say that during that time period, at least once or twice, they had asked
Steve to turn on the lights in the house. He did not. So, even when they entered the home, he didn't turn on the
lights inside the home. The officers noted that there was clothing on the living room floor.
>> That's bizarre. >> So, remember Charlotte Swearen? Kathy's friend. It's >> It's both bizarre. Turn on the lights,
you you you freaking weirdo. And also, okay, his story about them having sex on the living room floor. Okay, fine. But
you're going to pick up the clothes afterwards. Charlotte Swearing said Steve called her between 5:30 a.m. and
6:00 a.m. on that morning. During this call, he's wanting to know where Kathy was. [snorts] Charlotte told him, she's
still going along with the whole setup here, told him that they had been out together and that Kathy left to go home
around 2:00 a.m. or so. Charlotte then called the hotel where Kathy's friend was staying, but no one answered.
So, in >> aka man meet, >> Steve's version of this is that he woke up just before 6:00 a.m. realized that
Kathy wasn't home. He called Charlotte and then within minutes of that phone call, police arrived while he was about
to get dressed. Yeah, they should have stayed at the house longer because then they could investigate. But at this
point, I don't know if law enforcement knows that it's a murder scene and not a crash scene.
>> I think for the officers or detectives that viewed the vehicle and Kathy inside, I think they're suspicious that
it's a murder, but it's not 100% confirmed at this time. Now, later that morning, Kathy's father, James Falton,
will have to tell his children. So, these are Kathy's sisters that she is dead. One sister described the moment
with a an image that that stuck with me. She says her father arrived they they were supposed to do something together
that morning. And she said her father arrived not in his overalls but instead in his dress clothes. And she said just
the sight of him right away before he even spoke told her that something was wrong.
>> Right. So, dad tells Kathy's sister, "Kathy is gone." She asked him, "Gone where?" He answered, "No, honey. She's
she's gone. She's dead." So, the family gathered with Steve and Kathy's daughters. From my understanding here,
Captain, the daughters woke up around 8:00 a.m. They don't describe, they never describe as hearing anything
unusual that night or any noise that night. They woke up at 8:00 a.m. Now, this is a
considerable amount of time after the police were on the front porch in my humble opinion here.
>> Yeah. But in fairness, if there was a crime that took place in that house, we've had other crimes, other murder
cases where children have been home and heard nothing. >> Right. What I mean is I just me trying
to relate to this scenario. I find it odd that he didn't wake up the girls to tell them what had happened, but in
fairness to Steve, he he may have wanted to know the particulars of this before telling his daughters.
>> Yeah. And some people take a a while to figure out how to tell children that their mother has died.
>> Yeah. The it was Steve who notified Kathy's parents [snorts] that she had died. Well, that could be something.
>> Well, what's he going to do? Not tell them? Well, >> that would be really something.
>> Well, seen Stranger Things Peterson. >> His parents arrive when her parents arrive, excuse me, at the house. They
say that Steve was wearing red shorts and a white t-shirt. He was barefoot. And they noticed a scratch on his nose.
And they also say that Steve was doing laundry at that time. This is before the girls were awake. And they also stated
that he was wiping his hands and maybe and his face with a washcloth and that Cathy's bed appeared not to have been
slept in. Now, Steve would later deny doing laundry, >> right? >> Uh well, it's weird because he doesn't
there's a lot of reports say that he denies doing laundry. However, it's it is stated that one load of laundry was
done that morning and it was bed sheets. It was one of the daughter's bed sheets.
So, I think when they say he denies doing laundry, remember they arrive before the girls wake up. It sounds to
me if you were to put those items in order that he's admitting to doing laundry that morning, but it was bed
sheets and that would be after >> the kids have an accident. >> I have no clue. >> Yeah. So, possibly one of the daughters
had an accident. You got to toss the sheets into the washer, which makes sense. Hey, when I talked to him the
first time, yes, I wasn't doing laundry. Because if he was, you go, "Wow, that's
a weird time to be doing laundry. Is he covering something up?" Well, once the girls wake up, if there was a load of
laundry done, still I think it's a little bizarre because if I find out my wife and I understand that they're going
through a divorce, but they're on again, off again, and you're staying the night
there and you just had kitis, right? So, >> according to him, [clears throat] >> according to him, right? So, but you go,
okay, well, if all that's happening, um, and now she's dead and I love her and she's the mother of my children, I'm
[snorts] probably not thinking about doing laundry. >> Well, and without going down six
different avenues, >> yeah, let's go down seven. >> Well, for every person that says he was
doing laundry very early that morning, there's a person who says, "I was in the home and nobody was doing laundry that
morning." So, and really to simplify this, if we were to go down every avenue on every little detail here, we could do
10 episodes on this case that would bore the [ __ ] out of everybody listening. >> Yeah, that would be fun.
>> Okay. Uh, >> but here's the thing though, too, is sometimes you toss something into the
[clears throat] >> Yeah. But what I'm saying is there I don't think there's any reason to We're
just spinning our tires here because for every person that says there was laundry
happening at 6:30 in the morning, there's a person that was there and says laundry wasn't happening at 6:30 in the
morning. And keep in mind, Steve openly says his statement is, "I wasn't doing laundry that early. I did a load of
laundry after the girls woke up. >> Right? >> So, >> he's not even denying it, right?
>> If he's doing a lot of laundry, that's suspicious, right? If he's doing a washing a lot of clothes, washing a lot
of towels, whatever, that would be very suspicious. We don't know. We could sift
and sort through it as much as we want to. At the end of the day, we're not going to know. And I can tell you this,
>> 30 some years later, nobody else knows either. >> Yeah. But, you know, my middle name is
Spinning My Tires. Captain Spinning My Tires, Fat Hands. >> Uh, there are also at least one person
that say that they saw him carrying clothes as if it were laundry that he had just completed. We do have one
member of Kathy's family who when she's over there that day, Steve tells her that Kathy had been out drinking that
night and she was probably drunk and taking Valium and she went into the ditch and died.
>> Well, nobody should drink and drive, but the Val comment is, I think, interesting. Put a
pin in that. Yeah, but that his statements aren't will not be backed up by toxicology reports,
>> right? But >> he's still Yeah, but without without just being blunt, he's still trying to sell that
she died in a car accident in the ditch down the road, >> right? >> To anybody that shows up to the house
that day. Remember, they've not done the autopsy yet. They don't they don't know
exactly how she died. And of course, anybody that comes into his home, especially her family, is not going to
know what was found in her vehicle with her and what more importantly what was not found with her in the vehicle.
>> Yeah. But is he trying to sell it or is he trying to figure out what happened in
his own mind? >> Possibly. Possibly. But it gets difficult for me to say that. It gets
difficult for me to say possibly when I know other details that we haven't got to yet.
>> Right. So he told accord again this is according to her family and I want to be
very clear here this case is very difficult to go through because her family is all going to be in lock step
saying things that Steve did or didn't do that are incriminating. He will deny and counter
all of those and in some cases he has a person or persons backing him up. >> Right? So these claims get very
difficult to go through and to sort out what is real, what is factual, and what is fictional because Jan reported that
Steve told her that he did not want the Ver Police Department in his house because they would probably find blood
on the living room carpet because Kathy had shaved her legs in the living room. >> That's weird. There's a lot going on in
this living room. That's >> later that day. >> Another key part here is later that day,
Jan would say that uh Steve said that he didn't know that Kathy had a boyfriend.
She had no he had no idea that she had met uh a man at the hotel. Okay, so we got to be clear here because this is
where the timeline gets really dicey. You have a lot of people coming in and out of the home and a lot of people
having conversations with Steve. Some of them are police. Some of them are her family, some of them are just other
people, friends of his and whatnot. You have a lot of things going on. So, we have all these conversations. At some
point that day, it is general, it becomes general knowledge that she had met someone at a hotel the
previous night. So he's simply saying after that becomes somewhat general knowledge that he did
not know that she was meeting somebody that night. Didn't know she had a boyfriend as Jan states that Steve had
said the word boyfriend. Again, one big part of this timeline that shifts back and forth is what time did he call
Charlotte? So, Jan will state that he says that he called Charlotte at 3:30 a.m., not at 2:30 a.m. like Charlotte
says. And Jan also said that in another telling of that same story, he said 4:30
a.m. Now, to Steve's defense, Jan did say she did not notice any blood during the time that she was in the home. She
did, however, state that she saw laundry and hangers lying around the living room floor. But
what do we know from the toxicology report? >> There was no alcohol or volume found in
her >> system. Okay. And I'm not making an argument that there that there was a crash. I'm just trying to play this out
in my head. Is it po, you know, is it possible that she came home that night and let's say they didn't have sex
before they left or they didn't have sex before she left. and he thought, "Well,
I came over to watch the girls and you went out with your friends and you came back and hey, um, let's rekindle this
relationship." And then she said no and then the situation got escalated from then,
>> right? I think reviewing this, what it appears to me is he calls Charlotte's home. Charlotte fails to do
as instructed and picks up the phone and that tips Steve off that oh Kathy didn't
go out with Charlotte as she had told me. >> Right. >> And what the people that think that
Steve is guilty of killing his wife would tell you is that she had came home and all those items that were not found
on her and she did she didn't appear to be wearing any makeup. That's all suggestive to them that she got ready
for bed. He must have woke up, managed to kill her probably in that home in that living room, places her body in her
vehicle, and then manages to get that vehicle a short ways down the road and put it in the ditch. And oh, by the way,
he was too dumb to have it facing the right way as if she were driving home. >> Yeah. Or maybe he's not too dumb. Maybe
it's just physically not possible. >> Come up with a better way to stage the scene, my friend.
>> Yeah. >> Well, okay. So, as said here, the one of the biggest problems about this case is
going to be as I'm going to summarize it for you as simple as I can because this
will be the ongoing part about this case, the hurdle that is almost impossible to clear. Okay? So the events
of that day, well that night, that day, more important to say, everything that Steve did or did not do that day has
been highly scrutinized. I'll summarize it for you as for years to come, Kathy Paige's parents,
siblings, and friends will point to a dozen different actions or inactions of Steves,
pointing to those as suspicious. Steve counters all of their claims and in some cases he has someone to back him up.
Okay, so there's a laundry list of these different items that took place or did not take place that some say are
suspicious. Item number one, numero uno, has to be the autopsy. Okay. So later that day, the police returned to the
home and they told Steve Paige that they needed to conduct an autopsy on his dead
wife's body. Steve says, "You're not doing an autopsy." They said, "Well, you know, whether it's an accident, murder,
whatever, if somebody dies and it we we don't know that it's natural causes, >> right?
>> You're going to perform an autopsy." And he says, "Absolutely not. you're not
going to perform an autopsy. I don't want anyone cutting on her. So, it's James, which is Kathy's father, who
authorized the autopsy. Now, keep in mind, part of that autopsy is going to be that toxicology report. Yeah. Okay.
Now, also that day, he had told at least one person that Kathy had recently developed a drug problem. She was doing
cocaine >> at night and volume during the day. So again, to me, that's I think that's
trying to sell this crash idea to whoever's willing to listen, right? But if law enforcement is telling you,
and maybe not even your wife, just anybody, somebody that you love, hey, we don't think it was a crash. We think
there was foul play. You would absolutely want an autopsy to be done. Yeah, >> absolutely.
>> Yeah. Or if you thought as you were telling people that she was drunk and had drugs in her system.
>> Yeah. >> And and the crash was real, you would still want the autopsy. And of course,
toxicology is not in 1991. It's not going to come back that day. So he he can work that story for the time being.
Now, to further that, he has he stated two different ways. The police are not going to search my home. Why? Because I
think that you may find some blood or something in the living room. Again, why would I find blood in your living room?
Well, Kathy had been shaving her legs there. >> And she was high on cocaine, so she was
horrible at shaving her legs. >> And then her father is telling Steve, "Look, you you should just let the
police search the house. They want to come in and and take a look around. Just let them take a look around." And Steve
tells him, "Absolutely not. The police department is not coming in here because they've planted stuff on some of my
friends before, and that's not going to happen here." >> This guy is sounding more and more like
Scott Peterson. >> The police asked Steve about Kathy's jewelry sometime on that Tuesday. He
says that he looked in her jewelry box and the items in question were gone. But he does not let the police look
>> right >> in the house. So he would not consent to a search of his home. He is interviewed
on that Tuesday afternoon at the police state at the police station. Now in Steve's defense, remember we have the
family saying there was a scratch or something on his nose. The police did say that they an examination was
conducted at the police station of Steve's face and hands which revealed no marks or injuries. The following day,
we're now at Wednesday, May 15th. Other family of Cathy's is visiting the Paige home. This is where the drug rumors or
cocaine rumors are stated by Steve. Now, Steve did clear that up later. They said, "Look,
we found no cocaine in our system. Why would you tell? And he said, "Look, that's something that somebody had told
me that she was going through a phase, a party phase, and she was doing cocaine on occasion or experimenting with
drugs." >> In the moment, that's something that I thought of. Now, however, he was never
able to remember who the person was that had told him that. >> Yeah. But remember, he also made
statements that, hey, I don't know if we're going to get a divorce. I think she's just going through a phase. Is
that a part of it? And and also when you're going through even a breakup, it doesn't have to be a divorce, you have
mutual friends, you have people. So when you're having these conversations with people, well, we're just fighting all
the time and they go, "Well, I heard this rumor, right? or I heard that she was seeing somebody or there's a lot of
stuff that especially with the friends that are connected to both where they just kind of feed different information
whether that's correct information or not you you just get fed a lot of information.
>> True. But if someone told you that your significant other was doing a hard narcotic like cocaine,
>> I would wager that you would probably remember who the person was that had told you that.
>> Yeah. >> Unless this was unless this was a drug or drugs were in and out of your life
and her life, >> right? But it this seems like this seems a major statement for someone to tell
you that to the point that you would repeat it to somebody else later and then go, "Oh, well, I now I don't
remember who told me that." >> Just to play devil's advocate, it could be somebody that he's like, "This is a
close this is a close family friend, and I don't want to say who because that will make them look bad if it wasn't
true." >> But true. But he looks pretty bad saying he can't remember. >> So on on Friday, May 17th, Kathy Paige,
they hold a funeral for her. The following day, Saturday, at least one person claims to have seen Steve burning
something in the backyard. Steve would later explain that he had missed the trash collection day on Tuesday.
Understandable. His wife was, you know, finds out that his wife is dead that day. trash is probably not the first
thing on his mind. He says that he decided to burn said trash in the backyard. A big part of this statement
will become a mayonnaise jar full of grease. Okay, so he says this is one of the items that he burned that day. Now,
he says when he was going to carry it out, he was when he was carrying it out to throw it in the fire in the backyard
that it slipped out of his hand. He lost control of it and it it broke or the lid
came off and the grease, you know, people dump grease into jars all the time, >> right?
>> Cooking grease. He said that this spilled onto the living room carpet, which then forced him to have to do a
thorough thorough cleaning of this carpet to get that smell and the grease out of the carpet.
>> What? >> There's so many things happening. The people that think that he killed her
will suggest will tell you that oh he just happened to spill all that grease or at least based off of what he was
cleaning the location where he was conducting the carpet cleaning. He happened to spill that grease the same
spot that they had sex, which nobody has outright said this with the clothing that's on the floor in the living room.
But they are suggesting I guess the implication here is that if there were to have been blood on this
carpet at some point, he didn't need to he didn't have the time to clean it before anybody arrived that morning. So,
he had tossed clothing on top of it so it wouldn't be visible. And then there there's this whole argument about carpet
cleaning and and shampooing the carpet. Uh there was somebody in his family that
rented a carpet cleaner. You know, you can go to the store and rent them, but it wasn't Steve. It was one of his
family members. However, you have her family that says, "Well, we came over and it was multiple people cleaning the
carpet with Steve." And the interesting thing here though is he does not deny cleaning the carpet. It's just the
details of cleaning that carpet. >> Yeah. Just like he doesn't deny doing laundry.
>> Yeah. And he he says, "I didn't rent a carpet cleaner. I already owned one." >> Now, after the funeral, Steve Paige was
named as the prime suspect in the murder. This is after the autopsy found Kathy's makeup and jewelry had been
removed prior to her death, suggesting that she had made it home that night prior to being found in her vehicle in
the ditch. Now, back to them having sex that night. Remember, he says, he doesn't deny this. In fact, it's his
part of the story that they had had sex that night. Okay, so we got to clear something up here because what a lot of
people suggest as part of this murder is that she was raped and then killed and then the whole crash scene was staged.
>> Right. What happens here is the autopsy also revealed that Kathy did in fact have sex on that night on the night that
she died although no sperm was found in her body. Okay. Steve Page had a vasectomy operation and he admitted to
having sex with Kathy the night that of her death. Steve Page has insisted that there is no evidence of rape and said
that forensic evidence showed Kathy had been strangled by a left-handed killer. He says that he is right-handed,
although her family says that he's ambidextrous. >> Right. >> And this remains a point of contention.
And it seems like in 30 years, nobody's figured out if this guy's right-handed or left-handed, or really, frankly, how
much does it matter to the case, >> right? But the guy that she went to see at the hotel, did they have sex? Because
>> that man, while the details of her time there that evening have not been revealed, the police department has
stated that that man has been cleared in her homicide. >> Right. But they could have had sex and
he could have wore a condom. So >> true. But also what could be true is that in the heat of the moment, Steve
Paige raped his wife and murdered her and then put her body. >> Yeah. Wouldn't there be signs of that?
Because there's normally evidence whether somebody had sex or or whether they were
raped. >> Correct. Correct. The broken nose could be signs of the rape. the strangulation
could be signs of the rape, >> right? >> I mean, she had marks on her body. She was killed. Her So, her family would
tell you that that's what happened. That when he figured out that she wasn't where she said she was going to be, he
knew that she was cheating on him. And then when she returned to the home, she had just enough time to start preparing
to get ready for bed. he woke up or or was distracted or didn't have enough time, whatever that and then he
brutalized her before placing her in the vehicle. And some of those people suggest that maybe rape was part of
that. I don't know. I don't need rape to be part of that to >> no >> to believe that he killed her.
>> But also, let's let's not say that she was cheating on him. They're going through a divorce.
>> Correct. And I understand that it wasn't it wasn't finalized, but she >> a smarter man would have found her at
the hotel and presented that to a judge during the divorce proceedings. And uh >> the friendly divorce. Yeah.
>> Well, yeah, but it wouldn't it would have it whatever he needed to go in his favor would have gone in his favor
during that uh divorce. So, there's also disputes over whether Steve Paige was asked to take a polygraph test. He says
no. He was never asked, but her family, the Fulton, have publicly stated several
times that yes, he was asked, but he refused to take one. Now, in 1992, Kathy's family filed a wrongful death
suit after two grand juries declined to indict Steve Page on criminal charges. Okay, so it was brought to the grand
jury a couple of times. In 1993, enraged by the lack of progress in his daughter's murder case, James Falton
began a billboard campaign. This to draw attention to the unsolved case and to call out the police for what he saw as a
failed investigation. So, ever since 1993, James Fton had been putting up billboards in a field that sits beside
the I 10 freeway. And these billboards accuse Steve Page and condemn the police. His original three signs read,
"Vider police botched up the case, waiting for confession, and this could happen to you." Fulton also put up a
billboard in a local park that declares, "This is Orange County, city of Vider. Here you get by with brutally murdering
a woman." This signed by Falton in part says, "The Viter Police Department that did not solve my daughter's murder will
be assisting you with any complaints or problems of this so-called park." Well, again, the timing is difficult with this
one because if it would have happened a couple years ago, we could do some testing. If we find foreign [snorts]
DNA, then this could possibly clear Steve. But I'm guessing that they didn't have
some of these tests around and I'm sure that they didn't save some of the evidence to be tested later. These
billboards about his daughter's murder serve as the inspiration for the Oscar nominated film Three Billboards Outside
of Ebbing, Missouri. Now, anybody that's watched that movie, which is absolutely
great movie, will know that the crimes depicted in that movie look nothing like the case that we're talking about here
today. >> And also, it was her father that was kind of the the spearhead to keep this
in the news and keep this on people's mind. And in the movie, I believe it's the the mother.
>> Yeah. So the the individual that wrote that movie said that they started writing that story from seeing
billboards when driving throughout the country and didn't know any of the details. So these these billboards,
which he did have three back then, could be the, you know, seemed to likely be the inspiration for this individual to
write a fictitious story. And in 1994, Steve Paige was caught on camera kicking a bunch of flowers off of Kathy Paige's
headstone, off of her grave at the cemetery. That's bizarre. He says that the incident came about after he had
endured being baited and harassed by his wife's family. Of course, they disagree.
He was convicted, fined, and sentenced to probation for this this act. Shortly after being convicted of desecrating his
wife's grave, Steve Page moved to Houston, citing harassment from Cathy's family as one of the reasons for
relocating. Steve Page says the signs, the billboards are one of the reasons that
he left the area in 1995. He also claims that the billboards caused great grief for his daughters Aaron and Monica,
which led to them being bullied at school. Now, from my understanding here, Captain, the two Page daughters split
their the remainder of their childhoods between their father's home in Houston, Texas, and their grandparents' home in
Huntsville, and they became estranged from Kathy's family, the Fton. >> What happened in the wrongful death
case? It took a lot of time here, but what we end up with, there's a couple mistrials,
but ultimately the an Orange County civil jury found Steve responsible for Kathy's death. And the civil jury
awarded damages of $150,000 to her family to the Fultton, finding Steve financially liable for Kathy's
death. Again, this took a lot of time. This was well after the billboards and even after he had moved out of the area.
Now years later, tragedy would touch this family, this poor family once again. Monica, one of the daughters,
died in 2011 at the age of just 27 years old. This was reportedly by suicide. And some
accounts state that she had become addicted to prescription painkillers. and a toxicology report showed that she
had taken 25 Vicodin leading to her death. The other daughter, Aaron, would eventually move to Tennessee later in
life. And it's reported that she had no contact with the Fultton side of her family, but as of 2014, she recently
began talking with her father again. This is according to what he told Daily Mail TV. Now, in a series of blog posts
written by Aaron in 2014, she states that she believes that both the Fultons and her father, Steve Page,
are liars. In 2018, the case was profiled on the TV show Cold Justice. They interviewed dozens of witnesses,
and while it sparked renewed interest in the case, it didn't really lead anywhere. From there, the case would
stretch on year after year until it became what many in southeast Texas would call it, one of the longest
unsolved cases in the region. A death that never stopped being discussed and a name that never quite stopped waiting
for answers. In 2024, the police announced a reboot in the Kathy Page murder investigation. A reward has been
established through Crimestoppers of Southeast Texas for any information that leads to an indictment or arrest in the
unsolved homicide case of Kathy Paige. The number for Crimestoppers is 409833 TIPS. That's 409833
TIPS. And you will remain anonymous. >> Is there one piece of information that sticks out to you as
something you can't get past on whether or not Steve's guilty or not. >> I don't know why he wouldn't turn on the
lights. I don't know why he wouldn't want an autopsy to be conducted, >> right? >> The clothing on the floor seems odd. He
does have an answer for some of that. I I don't know. Every bit of his movements
seem unnatural to me. And look, the the items that were not found with her, if it were an accident, should have been
found with her. And we know it's not an accident. However, where are those items? To me,
that's suggestive that she made it home. And the the part beyond it being unsolved that bothers me the most about
this case is I don't see a cover up. I and I I hate that it is framed that way in some of the articles and reports that
have survived throughout this case. What I see is that I think that they were working behind the eightball because
they didn't fully know where she was that night for for a couple of hours that morning. However, police should
have, if you were suspicious from what you saw in the vehicle, an officer should have remained at the home, even
if he forced that officer to stay on the front porch. What I don't see is a cover
up. What I what I do see is, look, these homicide investigations, they have to be two things, thorough and
efficient. They have to move quickly and efficiently. And what did not happen here that would have solved every
question that we just threw at the wall at the garage wall on today's episode would have been answered if they
searched that home that morning. And I don't think it to me it doesn't seem inconceivable
that if I'm a detective and I'm going to a judge, I'm going to the brass and saying, "Hey, we need to get this in
front of a judge. He won't consent to us searching the home. I want to search the
home. Why? Because there's indications of a murder at this crash scene and she's found within a football field of
her home where her husband who they had recently split and he was going to be living elsewhere,
>> right, >> was staying that night. I think a search warrant would have likely been signed
off on by a judge and then we would not have to have relied on his friends and family or her friends and family to tell
us what they witnessed or what they did not witness inside that home on that morning when she was reported dead.
>> Yeah, I agree with you. the fact that this case, multiple sources kind of imply that there might be a cover up,
which is strange to me because Steve makes multiple comments of he's afraid that the cops are going to frame him.
So, but I think the biggest one to me is how are we going to get the answers to what happened? It's the autopsy [music]
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Who wanted Kathy Page dead? The 34 year old mother of two was found dead in her vehicle. At first look, it appeared that she had lost control of the vehicle and crashed into a ditch. However, the scene was staged to appear to look like an accident. Someone wanted Kathy dead and that someone covered their tracks.

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the unsolved murder of Kathy Paige and the suspicions surrounding her husband Steve Page.

Key points

The Killing of Kathy Paige. A tragic case that remains unsolved, highlighting the complexities of relationships.
Family Dynamics and Tensions. Exploring the relationship between Kathy and Steve, marked by conflict and suspicion.
Kathy's Mysterious Death. Kathy Paige was found dead in her car, raising questions about the circumstances of her death.
Suspicion Surrounds Steve Paige. Steve Paige's behavior and relationship with Detective Mosley raises eyebrows during the investigation.
Laundry Alibi. Conflicting statements about laundry timing raise suspicion around Steve's actions.
Autopsy Refusal. Steve Paige refuses an autopsy on his wife, raising red flags about his involvement.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

This is the killing of Kathy Paige, the case that would not close.

Introduction to the case of Kathy Paige.

5:24WatchJun 10, 2026

Tension

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