World's Most Evil Killers - Season 6, Episode 10 - Malcolm Green - Full Episode | Forensic Files

[music playing] NARRATOR: March the 13th, 1990, Bristol, England. 24-year-old New Zealander, Clive Tully, returned to the UK
having been traveling through Spain. Short on cash, he asked a friend, Malcolm Green, if he could stay with him for a few days.
One week later, the dismembered remains of a young man were left in bags by the side of a busy road.
The police had no idea who it was. The obvious things that were missing were the head and the hands.
NARRATOR: A young farmer then came across another set of dump bags. He said he felt it and put his hand in and felt the nose
and then dropped it and called us. NARRATOR: Using cutting-edge graphic reconstruction
of the victim's skull, an identity finally emerged. His words he used were, it's like I've seen a ghost.
NARRATOR: And that ghost was Clive Tully. But this was not Malcolm Green's first victim.
A frenzied outrageous attack, it's a killing of the most despicable violence. NARRATOR: For Malcolm Green, killing was only the beginning.
He wanted to baffle the police and present them with a gruesome puzzle to solve, a jigsaw of human remains,
making Malcolm Green one of the world's most evil killers. [music playing] June 21, 1971, Cardiff, Wales, UK.
24-year-old Malcolm Green was drunkenly leaving a nightclub when he attacked 41-year-old, Glenys
Johnson, a domestic cleaner and part-time prostitute. The killing of Glenys was incredibly violent.
He used a broken bottle to slash her throat, and the wound was around 5 inches in length.
She also had around 20 stab wounds to her body. NARRATOR: Green discarded Johnson
near Cardiff Docks where he worked, making little effort to hide her body. He rings the police and says, have you found the body yet?
Now, there will be four more, and this is the Ripper. He's living in some kind of bizarre fantasy
of his own creation. That now he's committed this really atrocious crime on a prostitute, well, why shouldn't he go
and commit a number of others? [music playing] MARK WATERS: Yes, the body was found,
and they had no clue because they suspected that she was a prostitute. It wasn't until he made those telephone
calls that they could link him. Virtually, if he kept his mouth shut, he'd probably got away with it.
NARRATOR: Malcolm Green was arrested and found guilty of murder. He was sentenced to life in prison
and served almost 18 years. He was released on the 16th of October, 1989. WILLIAM GLYNN: He was a very presentable sort of guy.
He was a sort of guy that if you met him, you would probably strike up conversation with him.
He was quite a smart man, and he was quite an eloquent man. And he was a talkative man, but I think
he had a very short temper. NARRATOR: After his release from jail, Green was free to begin a new life
and went to live in Bristol, where he met 24-year-old New Zealander, Clive Tully.
The two men lived in the same building, worked for the same employer, and appeared to become friends.
ELIZABETH YARDLEY: There would have come a point where he was starting to not feel in control of what was going on in terms
of this friendship, especially if Clive was perhaps in his flat or dropping in or knocking on his door
at times when Green didn't want him to be there. He has some very clear boundaries.
This is my space. This is your space. NARRATOR: Despite their friendship and with no apparent motive, on or around March 19th, 1990,
Malcolm Green killed Clive Tully. He dismembered his body, wrapped the remains in separate packages and dumped them
in two different locations. MARK WATERS: You've got a situation where you suddenly,
why does somebody lead on the side of a road, a busy place, praying that there's something I can identify the body with,
then realizing I didn't know anything. Where do we start with this? What are we going to do with this body?
Got DNA, obviously, but somebody's got to miss him, bound to miss him. NARRATOR: This killer story begins
on the 31st of January, 1947. Malcolm Green was born in the Welsh city of Cardiff.
GEOFFREY WANSELL: He was the fifth of 12 children. It was a crowded house. He was a tempestuous little boy.
Not particularly clever. Given to temper. He went to a secondary modern school until he was 13.
And then he was sent to approved school. Of course, you look at Green's background,
he witnessed his brother being killed on a railway line when he was very young. And he had to go and identify the body
of a headless body, basically. You got to wonder why was he put in this position.
Why were his parents not able to identify his siblings? So here we've got this very heavy
sense of responsibility that is on Green at quite an early age. And I think that's very much a factor in this case.
So I think there's a sense of shame that starts to kick in here for Green. Even if other people didn't say, this was your fault,
you should have been looking after him. I think there was probably a sense in which
he very much felt that. So whenever I see cases like this, I always believe that violence is rooted in shame.
And I think the shame in this case goes back to this particular incident. GEOFFREY WANSELL: He was one of those people
you know you'd probably cross the street to avoid. He got into fight after fight, covered in scars.
But believe it or not, he actually did get married as a comparatively young man in his early 20s, and his wife was pregnant.
ELIZABETH YARDLEY: When we look at how Green's wife describes him, he is a textbook case of an abuser.
But then, when you start to spend any time with him in an intimate relationship, he becomes incredibly controlling.
So we know that he was thematically tidy. He liked everything being in order. So here's somebody who runs their household.
They are the ones in charge. They are the ones calling the shots. NARRATOR: As a young man, Green lived in Cardiff with his wife
but struggled to hold down any kind of meaningful employment. GEOFFREY WANSELL: He'd had all sorts of jobs.
At one point, I think he was a salesman. At another point, he worked at a slaughterhouse.
At another point, he went into the Welsh regiment of the army. NARRATOR: Green ended up working as a crane driver for British
Steel at Cardiff Docks. He continued getting into fights, and his wife was very aware of his short fuse.
Green apparently said to his wife that he was wondering what it would be like to kill someone,
how that would feel. And that would appear to be a really strange thing to say to your intimate partner.
But in this case, Green was somebody who was abusive. He was controlling. And I think this was a scare tactic.
This was a way of saying to his wife, look, you better keep in line because if you
don't, I'm wondering what it might feel like to kill someone. So we often see this in cases of domestic abuse.
There is that threat. And it might not be a very direct threat, but it's very much a threat.
It's saying, you better behave yourself. You better do the things that I want you to do, otherwise,
this could happen to you. NARRATOR: In June 1971, Green's wife suffered a miscarriage
and was admitted to a hospital. On the 21st of June, 24-year old Greene went out
to a Cardiff nightclub. He clearly drinks far too much and comes out late in the evening, where he encounters
a local domestic cleaner and part-time prostitute called Glenys Johnson, who was 41.
I think she probably approached him with a thought that she might get a bit of business.
Green, however, was not a man that you could really call rational. And he simply, as he was to say later, lost his temper.
He exploded literally. And he attacked poor Glenys brutally. Not just marginally, brutally.
He cut her throat with a broken bottle, a 5-inch gash pretty much back to the spine.
And then he sets about mutilating the rest of her body, removing some clothes, stabbing the abdomen and the arms with broken glass.
A frenzied outrageous attack. And then finally, the poor woman having lost her life,
he hides her body face down under a car on some waste ground near Cardiff Docks.
It's a killing of the most despicable violence. ELIZABETH YARDLEY: When we see this kind
of post-mortem mutilation, what's going on here is an attempt to obliterate the victim.
It's an attempt to completely depersonalize them. It's not enough to kill them. It's not enough to end their life.
You have to completely wipe them out. And that's what was going on here. NARRATOR: After killing Glenys Green
walked the short journey to his workplace at the docks and cleaned himself up. But then you begin to glimpse the fantasy that's going
on in Malcolm Green's mind. I think he had this vision of himself as a kind of modern day, all his 1971
version of Jack the Ripper. Because he does exactly what he will have remembered Jack
the Ripper did, he rings the police and says, have you found the body yet? NARRATOR: Malcolm Green returned to the same phone box at least
twice, taunting the police. Like infamous serial killer, Jack the Ripper, he made claims there would be more bodies very soon.
So very often we see this kind of disposal of the body. And we think this is somebody who
was crying out to be caught. They want the police to come and arrest them. They want the recognition.
They want the status. They certainly don't want to take responsibility for it. NARRATOR: Within days of her murder,
41-year-old Glenys Johnson was found. ELIZABETH YARDLEY: Glenys's body was discovered under a car.
This is where Green had put her. He'd covered her with some rubbish. So this isn't a really, really detailed effort
to actually conceal the body. The body is somewhere where it's going to be discovered.
NARRATOR: The police traced the source of the phone calls to a phone box near Cardiff Docks.
They received a call and they raced to the box this night. And a chap was in the box.
They grabbed him, arrested him and accused him of making this phone call. He said, it wasn't me.
I didn't make that phone-- I just rang my wife. But he said the guy that was in here
is a guy called Green that looks as Green driver docks. At first, Green admits it.
He says, I don't know how I did it or why I done it. I only had a comb and a shilling.
And then he retracts it again. I wonder if Green was perhaps suffering small amount of shame
that he just finally realized he'd done something catastrophic, dreadful. But one way or another, Cardiff police
are convinced that he's guilty, and they send him for trial. NARRATOR: In October 1971, Malcolm Green went
on trial at Glamorgan Assizes. The jury heard how he brutally and viciously murdered Glenys Johnson.
GEOFFREY WANSELL: One other decisive piece of evidence came from his wife who told the court that she remembered
Greene saying to her, I wonder what it's like to murder somebody. And I think if you add all those things together,
you have no doubt in a jury's mind about Malcolm Green's guilt. NARRATOR: On November the 5th, 1971,
Malcolm Green was sentenced to life in prison with a recommended tariff of 25 years.
But Malcolm Green was only 24 years old. November 1971, Malcolm Green was committed
to serve his sentence at Gartree Prison in Leicestershire, England. Seven years later, on October the 5th, 1978,
Green was one of 250 prisoners who took control of three prison blocks in the maximum security facility.
The riot lasted for over 12 hours before more than 300 prison officers and staff
regained control of the prison. GEOFFREY WANSELL: He is not a model prisoner. He is belligerent, aggressive, difficult.
He's constantly getting in trouble in prison. Even in jail, he is brutal. But gradually, some of that begins
to ebb away as the years pass. By the time we get into the late '80s, by now he's in his 40s,
he's being prepared for release, as the phrase has it and is moved down from the maximum security
down into lower security prisons and eventually, is allowed to go and do day release to study.
It's fascinating what he chooses, to study. He chooses to study biology, A-Level Biology.
Now if you track that back to this is the Ripper, to the way in which he attacked Glenys Johnson, there
is an absolute single thread. [music playing] NARRATOR: In March 1989, Green was
transferred to Leyhill open prison in Gloucestershire, England. ELIZABETH YARDLEY: So he's getting out early.
And I think this is really important in this case because it suggests to me that Greene
has learned how to perform the character of the reformed man. When anybody is in prison for a very long time,
they get to know the kind of things that they need to do, sometimes in terms of genuine change, other times in terms
of performing a change. And I think that's very much the case with Green. He knew that he had to convince the parole board that it
was safe to release him. And he started to do things that would be in his favor.
NARRATOR: With Green locked up in prison, his wife left him. And the couple divorced in the 1980s.
While he's at the local technical college to Bristol, because by this point, he's in Leyhill open prison, which
is not far from Bristol, he meets a young woman and they become friends. And gradually, as 1989 progresses,
Green is prepared for release. And he's finally released on the 16th of October, 1989.
And he decides to get what he calls a fresh start by going to live in Bristol where his girlfriend now lives.
And she is a good 20 years younger than him. WILLIAM GLYNN: Well he was a well-built individual,
an individual who would obviously use the weights when he was in prison, I would suggest.
He was slim. I think he was about a 39-inch chest. He wasn't particularly tall, but I would imagine he would
be quite a strong individual. His hair was thinning but quite a good-looking man really.
NARRATOR: In Bristol, Green found work as an engineering laborer. GEOFFREY WANSELL: When he goes, leaves
prison and goes to Bristol, he moves into a flat. And that flat becomes part of his place he lives.
He's not there all the time. Sometimes he goes to his girlfriend's house in Fishponds, but he's there some of the time.
And it's there that he meets a young New Zealander called Clive Tully. WILLIAM GLYNN: But his father had been born in Newport
and had emigrated to New Zealand, and Tully lived there and went to school there.
He had various jobs when he left school, all of short duration. But he decided that he wanted to go to Newport,
which was his father's birthplace, and look up his relatives there. NARRATOR: After Clive Tully had spent some time in Newport
visiting family, he was offered a construction job and rented accommodation in Bristol.
On October the 16th, 1989, he met Malcolm Green who lived in a flat in the same building.
They were both working for the same company and became friends. ELIZABETH YARDLEY: I think he quite liked
the fact that Clive liked him. Because Green is a narcissist and having the approval,
having the attention of others, having others wanting to be around you is something
that is quite important to him. And Clive was on the other side of the world from where he originally came from, he was quite vulnerable.
He was young. He was, I imagine, quite naive in some ways. And this is something that a predator like Green
would prey on. GEOFFREY WANSELL: The place they're living is owned by the boss of the company
that they're working for. It's a bit hand-to-mouth. We're not talking about a career here.
But then, Clive Tully is only on a brief visit. And besides that, he then gets a wanderlust again.
And he's been to Wales, and he's seen the relatives, and he's met his aunties, so he decides
he wants to go to Spain, he leaves Bristol and goes to Spain for the first part of 1990.
MARK WATERS: The people of New Zealand obviously thought he'd come to the UK and settle in the UK.
So you had the people in Newport that were distant relatives thought he'd gone back to New Zealand.
People in New Zealand thought he was in the UK. But in fact, what he did, he ran out of money in Spain
and came back to Bristol. NARRATOR: On the 13th of March 1990, Tully returned to Bristol
totally broke and went to stay temporarily with friends. A week later, he asked his old friend, Malcolm Green for help.
Green agreed that Tully could stay with him for a few days. Clive had visited Green at the home of Green's girlfriends.
And this is something that Green did not like because he's trying to present this image of the reformed character
to his girlfriend. He doesn't want anybody else coming into the picture and saying or doing anything that
would be inconsistent with that narrative. Also, Clive has asked Greene whether he can stay in Green's
flat during this interaction. And this is something that Green doesn't like either
because his flat, his territory, nobody, nobody invades that territory. And the presence of Green's girlfriend
is again really important here because he doesn't want to be the mean guy who says no, you can't stay in my flat,
go away. He has to perform this narrative of the nice guy in front of his girlfriend.
So he feels compelled to say to Clive, yes, you can stay in my flat. MARK WATERS: Tully was unique in a way
because he wouldn't be missed. I didn't know that at the time. I was quite confident somebody would miss him.
But he was one of the people that, if you were going to pick somebody to kill, if you like, and not get caught,
he was probably an ideal chap because nobody would have missed him. NARRATOR: A few days later, around March the 19th,
1990, Malcolm Green returned to his flat. The exact reason for his return will never be known.
But It was here he murdered for the second time, killing 24-year-old Clive Tully in a brutal attack.
The reformed murderer had struck again. March 21, 1990, Newport, Wales, UK, a schoolteacher driving
on the A467 spotted two suspicious bags dumped by the side of the road. He reported this to the police.
Bill Glynn was the Detective Chief Inspector in charge of the Crime Division in Newport.
I was in the Civic Center Police Station which is a distance of about a mile and a half,
two miles from there. I was having my lunch actually. I remember it was 1:50 PM.
I got in the car with my scenes-of-crime officer and went to the scene. We opened the bags, and it became quite apparent
that it was human remains. Yeah, there was a red and black rucksack. I think it was called an Oakland,
and also there was a maroon holdall. In the rucksack, was the torso with the upper arms
still attached. And in the other bag, there were various body parts which were thighs, legs, lower legs with feet attached.
And they were all wrapped separately. And they'd been placed into this holdall. They were wrapped in articles of clothing
or some were in black plastic bags. Yeah, the obvious things that were missing were the head and the hands, which would have been obviously
the main identifying features. NARRATOR: Former Detective Chief superintendent Mark Waters was
head of Gwent CID at the time. MARK WATERS: I needed to do a press conference because once
they told me there was no head no hands, obviously we did a search of missing persons.
There was nothing, not ours anyway. I searched around the rest of the country to see if anybody fit the description.
We did that quite rapidly. And I realized then, we're going to need the public, somebody
to come forward. So I did press conferences that night, showed the bags so that people could see what had happened.
WILLIAM GLYNN: We had no idea who the victim was. And the first thing we did was set up an incident room, which
we set up in Maindee Police Station, which was another substation. And I was allocated four of the officers,
and I was made the senior investigating officer. We then set out, our first task was,
obviously, to try and identify who the person was. We tried to do this through the media.
We gave it terrific amount of publicity both locally, and then later on when we got no success with that,
we went further afield. We also went to Interpol, but there was no way we could trace who the person was.
A schoolmaster came forward eventually, and told us that he'd seen a person drove up in a car
and drop the 2 bags. He gave a description of the person and said the car was a Mini.
We were quite happy that the timing of it fitted exactly when we thought the bags were dropped.
So from that point of view we thought, well, we've got a-- time, I think it was about 10
to 1:00 that this guy drove up, just got out, took the bugs out of the boot, dropped them there
and drove away. We know it's a Mini, but that's basically all. And we got somebody who could probably identify
the guy if we could find him. WILLIAM GLYNN: And they paid particular attention because they wondered if it was a local
and if he was in trouble and if they could give him a hand. And that person was a very, very good witness obviously.
MARK WATERS: And then I set the detectives on the search of the bags because the bags themselves, I
felt we could probably identify. Which if we could identify the bags, we could probably identify the body.
WILLIAM GLYNN: Well, there wasn't much we could do with the maroon holdall. But the rucksack had a brand name on it.
And we made inquiries concerning that. And we traced the fact that it had been issued in New Zealand,
which was the first time that we got any connection with New Zealand. NARRATOR: Four days later on March
the 25th, 1990, and 5 miles from the first scene, there was another gruesome discovery.
MARK WATERS: There were two bags there was a DuPont tent, a sleeping bag cover. And inside that was the head.
And there was a plastic bag alongside it with the hands. A young farmer found the DuPont bag
hanging on the hedge down in St. Brides and this plastic bag nearby. He said he felt it and put his hand in it, felt the nose
and then dropped it and called us. When they had enhanced it up, obviously, we looked at, examined that.
The pathologist came to the conclusion that he was hit over the head with a hammer or hammer-like instrument
and fractured his skull. So he was attacked probably from behind with blows that would rain on him.
NARRATOR: The police were able to lift fingerprints from the severed hands, but no match was found.
Their one remaining option was to try and identify the victim from the head. Well, what we actually did was we photographed the head.
It was remarkably well preserved, to be honest. And I wanted to put the photograph in the local paper.
But it was decreed that it would be a little bit too gruesome. So what we did, we got an artist to draw it.
And we put an artist impression, first of all, into the local paper, which was the South Wales Argus.
But we had no sightings from that at all. NARRATOR: Journalist Carl Difford was working
for the newspaper at the time. In the South Wales Argus, we had a small graphics artist team.
And one of that teams, a very talented artist and Illustrator who had some software, quite groundbreaking
for the time, software which could reconstruct layers on top of, in this case, bone and some flesh
left on that. The result was shown to everybody around who wanted to see it. And we had a look and sort of, yes, it did look like a person.
Maybe somebody could recognize that. And my colleague came and sat down opposite me just a few feet away and just sat quietly.
And that was not his usual self. And somebody asked him if he was all right and he said, actually, I don't feel particularly well.
His words he used were, it's like I've seen a ghost. And it turns out that Clive Tully was
a relative of his, a cousin. And he'd actually spent some time with him a few days earlier.
NARRATOR: The police had now identified the dismembered body, Clive Tully. They contacted his last known employer and landlord.
He told the police that before Tully left for Spain, he'd rented a flat from him in Bristol.
WILLIAM GLYNN: We contacted the owner of the premises and went into the house with him.
And there we found that-- he was able to tell us that rooms had changed around, the lounge area had now become the bedroom,
and the bedroom area was now the lounge. And all the respective furniture had also been changed around.
NARRATOR: The police were instantly suspicious. Why had the rooms been moved around?
What was the furniture concealing and who had rearranged it all? They then found a letter addressed
to a Mr. Malcolm Green, a murderer out on parole. March 30th, 1990, Bristol, England.
The police had identified the dismembered body of 24-year-old New Zealander Clive Tully
and the scene of his murder. They also had a suspect, Malcolm Green, a convicted murderer out on parole.
He wasn't at the premises. So we made inquiries with neighbors. And one of the neighbors told us that he
was out with his girlfriend. So we went to his girlfriend's address. And we waited there for him to come back.
He was driving her car. And as I go back, we arrested him. Well, obviously, we told him the reason for the arrest.
He showed a feigned shock, I would suggest, but didn't show too much emotion and just pretended
to be surprised really at the news that we were giving him and told us that he had nothing to do with it.
NARRATOR: Malcolm Green was taken to Trinity Road Police Station in Bristol for questioning,
while a police forensics team descended on the crime scene. At the scene then, we found blood under the floor,
under the carpet, blood and parts of flesh inside the pipes. Quite clearly, cut the body up in the flat.
We felt cleaning liquid everywhere. We traced that back to local shops in Fishponds,
I think it was. And they agreed they'd sold it to Green. They identified him. Then we had Green identified by the chap
who saw him drop the bodies. The Mini, the girlfriend owned the Mini. She said she lent him the Mini that day.
Checked the Mini, found blood in the back of the Mini, matched the body. So we had a lot of evidence.
NARRATOR: Witness accounts of Green's movements place the day of the murder as March 19th,
two days before the bags were dumped on the side of the road. The pathologist was unable to establish
the precise time of death. But he did make an observation about the dismemberment
of Clive Tully's body. So you come into the fact that he said, whoever's cut this up
has some skill in terms of butchering, which is helpful in terms of, whoever did it wasn't in a mad panic
and cutting it and chopping it and so on, and using power source. He knew what he was doing, basically.
Finally, in early May 1990, the police held an identity parade. Malcolm Green was in that parade.
And one witness confirmed that that was the man they'd seen at the lay-by when the bags were being put there.
Those were the strengths of the prosecution's case when Green was eventually brought to trial.
NARRATOR: Former Detective Chief Inspector Bill Glynn interviewed Malcolm Green on four separate occasions.
WILLIAM GLYNN: Well, how would I describe him? Very cool. Nothing seemed to ruffle him, to be perfectly honest.
He was very cool. I think it was almost as if he enjoyed the interviews, enjoyed
pitting his wits against the police, but showed very little emotion, if any. If he did show any emotion, I think it was false emotion,
to be perfectly honest. During the interview, what was strange was that he answered
every question I put to him. He completely denied the murder, admitted knowing Tully,
and admitted that he'd lived with him. In fact, went as far as to say that he considered
he was Tully's best friend. NARRATOR: Green was questioned as to why the rooms in his flat at Luxton Street had been rearranged.
What was he trying to conceal? And why had he bought so many cleaning products? His only explanation was that because he'd come out
from a prison for murder, people knew that he committed a murder before. So they were trying to pin the blame for this murder on him.
Green is a pathological liar. And when we look at the information that he gives in the police interviews,
you can see he's very cool, he's very calm. He's incredibly collected. And he's learned from the first murder.
So the first murder, when he was arrested, he just kind of spilled the beans. He told them everything about it because he so
wanted that recognition. With this one, the several years later, he's a lot more reserved because he knows that he
has to put himself first. He has to think about the outcomes that are going to emerge from laying out all of the details
like he did the first time. So he doesn't. He lies very, very convincingly. And you can see the kind of progression of his personality
from the first to the second murder. He's become even more cunning, even more manipulative.
WILLIAM GLYNN: I just felt that most of what he was saying, we were disproving. He was saying he'd gone for job interviews and what have you.
But then he couldn't give us the name of anybody who'd interviewed him. He said he changed his mind, and so they didn't interview him.
He gave us a pub that he'd visited on the day that the car was seen in Newport and the name
of a couple of people in the pub, the Bar Maiden. None of them could remember seeing
him in that pub that day. So everything he was saying was basically unprovable. The interview I felt that he always
felt that he was confident, that he could outwit us basically. But he was saying so much that was quite easy for us
to disprove. ELIZABETH YARDLEY: When we look at who Green killed, there doesn't appear to be a lot of consistency,
two very different victims. But I think the common thread throughout these two killings
is that these are people who have challenged Green's sense of superiority. These are people who he's felt out
of control in the presence of. And he will kill them in order to get that control back.
So it's nothing that either of these victims did, but it was Green's reaction to it that matters.
He is somebody who always has to be in control. He always has to be the one calling the shots.
And when somebody interferes with his plan, that's when things go very wrong. NARRATOR: On Monday the 2nd of April, 1990,
Malcolm Green appeared before the justices at Bristol Magistrates Court, charged
with the murder of Clive Tully. The trial began at Bristol Crown Court on Tuesday, the 23rd of October, 1990.
MARK WATERS: I was expecting that to be a very quick trial. He didn't give evidence as a defense.
I think the jury, I was expecting them back at quarter past 11:00. They were there half past 10:00.
I thought the courthouse led me back. They didn't come back. It went on and on and on during the day.
They hadn't reached a verdict. And in fact, riding the home office and said, look, what's the situation?
This guy walks? Do I have to let him go, because he's on license. And they said, no, if he goes, he goes.
If they're not guilty, out he goes. NARRATOR: The jurors were in the dark about his past crime.
Green's previous conviction for murder and his status as being out on parole for that crime
was information that was inadmissible in court. MARK WATERS: So he got about half past 4:00.
The jury coming back, I think the judge had asked for a majority verdict. He came to the door of the court and was just coming out.
And then the foreman then indicated that they had a majority verdict. Walked into the jury box, charges read out,
and they said, guilty. And then the Detective Inspector went to give his antecedents,
and then stood in the dock and said-- in the witness box said, he was convicted in 1971
of murdering a girl in Cardiff. And a young girl on the jury started screaming hysterically.
She'd obviously holding up all day long. Anyway, he's convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment.
Then he turned to his girlfriend-- I was sat in the back of the court, turned to to his girl
and said, I didn't do it. She said, no, darling, I'll wait for you. And it's when the verdict is handed down that the real Green
reveals himself. And he shouts, you are wrong, to the jury afterwards. So this veneer of respectability.
This kind of cool and calm exterior just slips for one moment. And we see who he really is.
NARRATOR: Green was initially sentenced to a minimum of 25 years in prison. This was later changed by the Home Secretary
to a whole life term. Malcolm Green will never be released again. I think maybe there was a part of Green that thought
he may get away with this. He's got a history of being convicted for murder and getting out early, essentially.
But we've also got to remember that he's somebody who very much lives in the present moment.
He's a prisoner of the present. He has a lot of trouble projecting into the future
and thinking about what might happen. So I think it probably did come as a bit of a nasty shock
to him to find that he's having to serve another very lengthy sentence. MARK WATERS: What would Tully had done
to cause him such annoyance? I don't know. Nobody else seemed to fall out with Tully.
Tully was quiet. From what I gather, he was a quiet lad. He could have said, soon go get lost.
Checked him out, but to kill a guy, what for? Why did he kill Tully? He hadn't seen Tully for ages.
In fact, I think he's probably lent him some money. I don't know. Certainly, if you lend somebody money,
you're not going to kill him because you want the money back. I really don't know.
But he killed him in his lounge that night for whatever reason. Very strange. For me, the most striking moment of this case
is that the really good work that the police detectives did in identifying Clive.
They saw him as a human being, a sentient human being who had loved ones and a family.
And they had to identify him and return him to his family. And this was the complete opposite
of how Green saw Clive. He saw him as an inconvenience, a pain, somebody who he had to get rid of.
So I think it's that the recognition of the victim's humanity here that's really striking
and how that contrasts with Green's mindset. NARRATOR: Malcolm Green was a young 24-year-old man
when he brutally murdered Glenys Johnson. After serving his time, he was given a second chance at life
but proved that he was still a killer unable to control his emotions by killing Clive Tully.
No one truly knows the motives behind these callous murders. But thanks to the dedication of the police,
Malcolm Green will spend the rest of his life in prison as one of the world's most evil killers.
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Brief Summary

Malcolm Green murdered Clive Tully after previously killing Glenys Johnson, leading to his life imprisonment after a police investigation.

Key points

The Ghost of Clive Tully. The identity of the dismembered victim is revealed as Clive Tully, shocking the investigators.
Malcolm Green's First Victim. Malcolm Green's violent past is unveiled as he brutally murders Glenys Johnson.
The Reformed Murderer Strikes Again. Malcolm Green, now seemingly reformed, kills again, this time Clive Tully.
Discovery of Human Remains. Police discover dismembered human remains in bags, sparking a major investigation.
Gruesome Discovery. Four days later, a young farmer finds dismembered body parts in a bag.
Identifying the Victim. Police use an artist's impression to identify the dismembered body.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

He was a very presentable sort of guy.

Description of Malcolm Green's appearance and demeanor.

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Tension

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