When the Mind is the Crime Scene | Forensic Files

[Music] Our episodes deal with serious and often distressing incidents. If you feel at
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episode on your app or on our website. Please note that the names of several individuals in this episode have been
changed. In 2009, with the help of two others, Russian national Sergey Morenov co-founded a website called the Dark
Fetish Network. The trio had identified a niche market of people with sexual fetishes and
fantasies outside the mainstream, and they set out to create a social media platform where those individuals could
connect and interact. It was essentially a clone of Facebook, featuring personalized profiles, public
chats, private messages, groups, and the ability to publish photo albums. Sergey took on the role of web master,
overseeing the administrative side of the website and providing technical support. He also wrote all of the
descriptive text on the site's homepage. About a quarter of the way down under the heading, "Welcome to the dark fetish
network." Sergey had written, "Welcome to the social network where you won't feel like an outcast because of
your dark fetish. Why? Because this place is created by people like you for people like you. So feel free to look
around, meet some crazy, in a good way people, and become part of our growing adults only 18 plus community.
The welcome message ended with a disclaimer. Please also remember that this place is
about fantasies only, so play safe. [Music] To use all of the site's features, viewers of the Dark Fetish Network had
to sign up to become members. All they needed was an email address and a username.
Unlike competing websites with a similar theme, such as FatLife, which had nearly
2 million users worldwide, the Dark Fetish Network amassed a much smaller community of about 38,000 members.
Once registered, members were able to create a personalized profile that could be viewed by other users.
Filling it out was optional, but doing so was considered essential if you wanted to easily connect with
like-minded people. A profile was divided into three main sections. The first section covered
basic personal information, including the member's first and last names, country of origin, gender, and age.
The second section titled about me allowed members to write autobiographical summaries about
themselves. The third and most important section was titled about my fetish where members
could describe their sexual preferences. The dark fetish network encompassed all
types of fetishes. The most popular was sexual esphyxiation, but other common ones
featured on the site included bondage, voyerism, exhibitionism, humiliation, and objectification.
There were body focused fetishes centered on feet, stomachs, and hair, and others involving supernatural or
mythical themes. At the extreme end of the spectrum were fetishes pertaining to excrement,
torture, var, necrilia, and cannibalism. Users interacted through consensual role-play scenarios, following
storylines they devised and assuming roles much like actors in a movie. For site co-creator Sergey Morenov, the
fantasy aspect of the Dark Fetish Network was paramount. He claimed to terminate the accounts of
anyone who violated the site's terms of service, including those engaging in conversations that, in his words, could
have led to something bad. Sergey stressed that the fantasies discussed on his site should never spill
over into realworld criminal activity. In 2010, a new member joined the Dark Fetish Network under the username Girl
Meat Hunter. While he withheld any identifying details, his profile revealed that he
was a man from the United States. His profile picture depicted a woman with a large red apple stuffed in her mouth,
accompanied by the quote, "Tonight, my dear, you are the main cause. In the about my fetish section, Girl
Meat Hunter listed what he called the easy ABC, abduction, bondage, and cannibalism.
While others enjoyed fantasies of women willingly submitting to torture, death, or being eaten, Girl Meat Hunter
dismissed consent, saying it ruined the whole thing. "I am a little different," he wrote. "I am a little more sadistic.
I would want her to suffer. I would want to see her suffer. Not long after signing up to the Dark
Fetish Network, Girl Meet Hunter followed a trend that had unfolded on the site by uploading a photo album
titled, "What would you do with her?" The trend involved users compiling photos of women they claimed to know in
real life, typically lifted from their social media accounts. Other members then commented on the
photos reflecting their own sexual fetishes. For example, those interested in BDSM
might write about hog tying the women and forcing submission, while those drawn to sleep play might describe
drugging the women and engaging with their unconscious bodies. One Friday, Girl Meet Hunter uploaded
images of 10 different women, labeling them girl number one, girl number two, and so on.
By the time Girl Hunter logged back in on Sunday night, his album had received approximately 50 comments.
Out of courtesy, most of the comments were tailored to indulge his passion for bondage and cannibalism.
Damn, she looks tander. one user wrote. Another left a comment urging rape and mutilation.
Delighted, Girl Meet Hunter referred to the women as quote extremely rapable, outlining how he wanted to tie them down
and assault them before escalating into the more macab. He said he would trust one up like a
turkey and place her into an oven while she was still alive. Once dead, he would butcher her body,
cook the meat, and quote, "The sounds of her screams will be the sweetest music to my ears."
By January 2011, Girl Meet Hunter was well known on the Dark Fetish network for his group chat contributions and for
sharing large amounts of hardcore pornography, though his real world identity remained hidden.
Whenever users praised his posts or shared an interest in his fetishes, he reached out to them privately.
Over time, he established a close-knit circle of around 20 people with whom he kept regular contact, some more
frequently than others. Their conversations were far from casual small talk. "Hey, got some time to play
around a bit?" they asked one another before beginning or continuing a role-play scenario.
Others enjoyed role- playinging with Girl Meet Hunter because he was a decent writer. He also catered to their
fetishes rather than focusing solely on his own, crafting in-depth stories that spanned a wide range of kinks even after
his own needs were met. If Girlmate Hunter wasn't satisfied with how things were progressing with a
role-play partner, he abandoned them. Meticulous and detailed oriented, he preferred partners who were equally
graphic and explicit. Scenarios couldn't be rushed. They could last weeks with role-play sessions
lasting for several hours at a time. While he wasn't online every night, he typically appeared three or four times a
week and sometimes throughout the day. Girl Meet Hunter was often invited to roleplay as the captor of fictitious
women in peril, but those scenarios didn't excite him. What aroused him were fantasies involving the 10 women he
allegedly knew in real life. He continued to share their photos online along with their names, ages,
physical descriptions, occupations, and relationship statuses. He imagined them chloroformed and
kidnapped, stripped naked, bound and displayed on a platter with an apple in their mouths.
He fantasized about slit throats, decapitations, and making bacon strips from belly flesh.
When a user asked if he would ever actually eat human flesh if the chance presented itself in real life, Girl Meat
Hunter bluntly replied, "Yes." Over time, his fantasies grew to include almost 100 women, each one described as
someone he longed to kidnap and cook. One of the downsides of the dark fetish network was that it could be slow to
load. Eventually, Girl Meat Hunter and his core group of role players shifted their
conversations to Yahoo Messenger. The free platform offered features the Dark Fetish Network it didn't, including
instant messaging, file sharing, and the ability to see when others were online.
While Girl Meat Hunter remained active on the Dark Fetish network, if he connected with a roleplayer he
particularly enjoyed, he shared his Yahoo Messenger handle to continue the scenario there instead.
While he used multiple usernames across different websites, for the sake of clarity, Case will refer to him
exclusively as Girl Meate Hunter. Around June 2012, about 2 years into Girl Meat Hunter's online presence, he
began receiving messages from a member of the Dark Fetish network named Meat Market Man
based in England. The only other thing Girl Meat Hunter knew about him was that they shared a mutual lust for
cannibalism. Meat Market Man claimed he had killed and eaten two women in real life. Their
conversations soon moved to Yahoo Messenger, where Meet Marketman went by the name Moody Blues.
The two chatted almost non-stop and often late into the night. By July, their conversations had taken on a more
purposeful tone as they began plotting ways to make their fantasies a reality. Moody Blues assumed a mentor-like role,
helping brainstorm methods to torment meat hunter's intended victims. In one exchange, Girl Meate Hunter
described a softball player he knew as quote, "The most desirable piece of meat I've ever met."
Moody Blues suggested knocking her out with a baseball bat, calling it poetic justice.
In another conversation, Girl Meet Hunter proposed that Moody Blues travel to the US so they could kidnap one of
the 10 women he was infatuated with. Moody Blues agreed. "How big is your oven?" he inquired.
"Big enough to fit one of these girls if I folded their legs," Girlmate Hunter replied.
They ultimately settled on a woman named Charlotte, who girl mate Hunter described as one of his favorite
victims. He had fantasized about her for 10 years, relishing the idea of slaughtering her and noting she had
quote good meat on her arms. When Moody Blues suggested they eat Charlotte alive, Girl Meat Hunter
replied, "I'm not really into raw meat." The men proceeded to discuss staging a cookout with Charlotte as the main
cause. "I have a place up in the mountains," Girlmate Hunter wrote. "No one around
for 3/4 of a mile. Maybe we'll tie her to the rotisserie and cook her outside." Moody Blues questioned how they would
get Charlotte over the fire, noting that a spit would kill her quickly. He suggested she be confined in some kind
of cage instead. Girl Meat Hunter considered securing her body to an apparatus and cooking her
slowly over a low flame, deliberately keeping her alive for as long as possible.
He said he was in the process of building a pulley system in his basement to hang victims by their feet.
That's where she will be held captive and raped, he explained, adding that once Charlotte was dead, she'd be taken
down and properly butchered before being put in the oven. Moody Blues noted that if they didn't
waste any of her, they would have nearly 75 lb of food. "What do you want to do with the head?"
he asked. Girlmate Hunter replied that when they sat down to eat, he wanted Charlotte's
head displayed as a gruesome centerpiece, fixed in her final expression of terror.
Moody Blues expressed doubt about Girlmate Hunter's commitment, saying, "I've been let down before."
Girl Mate Hunter confidently explained that he had the entire event planned in his mind, though he was still working
out the final details of the abduction, which needed to be flawless. He intended to show up at Charlotte's
home unannounced so she would never see it coming. He would then knock her out with
chloroform and wait until dark before taking her away. When Moody Blues suggested it might be
better if they targeted a stranger to avoid suspicion, Girl Meate Hunter responded, "Her family is out of state."
Convinced that no one would connect him to the crime. As the pair continued to devise their
plan, Moody Blues mentioned he had anesthetic gases while Girlmate Hunter would make the chloroform using a recipe
he had found online. They grew giddy at the thought of Charlotte sleeping peacefully elsewhere,
completely unaware of what they were preparing for her. "Her days are numbered," GirlMate Hunter exclaimed.
"He intended to do a dry run, showing up unannounced in Charlotte's neighborhood
under the pretense of a casual hello." Though unsure how the plan might eventually unfold, he insisted that his
intention of kidnapping Charlotte and getting away with it was the absolute truth.
On Thursday, July 19, 2012, Girl Meet Hunter informed Moody Blues that he had arranged to meet Charlotte in person for
brunch that coming weekend. He then emailed through a document he had prepared titled Abducting and
Cooking Charlotte a blueprint. The document contained personal details about Charlotte, including her name,
date of birth, height, weight, and bra size. In a section titled materials needed,
girl mate Hunter had listed the tools required to carry out his fantasy, including his car, a plastic tarp to
line the trunk, chloroform to render Charlotte unconscious, the strongest kind of rope to bind her, duct tape for
gagging, plastic bags for her clothes, and a pair of cheap sneakers to wear. I'll be eyeing her from head to toe and
licking my lips, he wrote, adding that he longed for the day he could render her unconscious with chloroform.
Moody Blues joked that Girl Mate Hunter would be more focused on eating Charlotte than his branch.
After the weekend, Girl Meate Hunter immediately messaged Moody Blues, commenting on how mouthwatering and
delicious Charlotte was. By late August, his fixation had switched to two other women on his top
10 list. An 18-year-old high school senior named Lily and another woman named Georgia.
He spoke of his desire to capture and kill Georgia, saying he wanted her to absolutely suffer and claimed it was
personal. If Georgia lived near me, he wrote, she would be gone by now. Even if I get
caught, she would be worth it. While Girl Meat Hunter remained primarily dedicated to abduction,
bondage, and cannibalism, he also developed a fascination with slavery scenarios in which kidnapped women were
sold to the highest bidder. Combining this new interest with his existing fetishes, he created a new
photo album on the Dark Fetish Network titled Cook Her or Sell Her. Starting in late January 2012, he
confided in another slavery fetish enthusiast known online as Mike Vanheis 81 about plans to also turn these
fantasies into reality. Girl Meate Hunter offered to abduct a woman off his list to sell to Mike
Vanheis for $5,000. Her name was Marissa, and she was an elementary school teacher whom Girlmate
Hunter knew in real life. He sent Mike Vanheis four photos of Marissa taken from her Facebook page,
warning, "She is kind of feisty and no nonsense. Not sure how soon she would submit.
Certain he could break Marissa in more ways than one, Mike Vanheis eagerly envisioned turning her into his slave.
Quote, "Sex, maid, and otherwise. If she tried to escape, he would beat her. If she tried again, became
pregnant, or was unfaithful, he would kill her." Girl Meet Hunter's tone grew grizzly and
mechanical as he outlined his plan to stalk Marissa. He knew she had a week off work coming
up and suggested abducting her then, as this would give him more time before anyone realized she was missing.
He described rendering Marissa unconscious, placing her in a large suitcase and willing it to his van to
deliver to Mike Vanheiser's home in New Jersey. She would remain fully dressed so that
Mike could have quote the pleasure of unwrapping his gift. The pair even discussed raping Marissa
together before going their separate ways. Girl Meate Hunter demanded the full $5,000 payment upon delivery.
When Mike tried to haggle, Girl Meate Hunter refused to accept any less, insisting he needed the money and
emphasizing the very risky nature of the job, which could ruin his life if he were caught. He wrote, "I am putting my
neck on the line. If something goes wrong somehow, I am in deep [ __ ] $5,000 and you need to make sure she is not
found. she will definitely make the news. He added that he aspired to become a professional kidnapper, framing the
price strictly as business. When Mike Vanheis expressed the doubt that Girl Meate Hunter was going to
follow through, Girl Meate Hunter replied, "I am just afraid of getting caught. If I were guaranteed to get away
with it, I would do it." When asked, "Are you sure?" He answered firmly, "Definitely."
[Music] Then on the night of Saturday, September 9, 2012, something unexpected happened.
After 2 years of consistent activity on the Dark Fetish network, Girl Meate Hunter abruptly closed his account.
He immediately informed Moody Blues on Yahoo Messenger, who wanted to know why. Girl mate Hunter explained
less of a chance of getting caught. [Laughter] In mid 2012, elementary school teacher
turned stay-at-home mother Jackie Valley was growing increasingly concerned about
her husband's unusual behavior. 28-year-old Gilberto Valley, known to friends and family as Gil, had recently
been spending much more time on their computer in the living room. He had always been a night owl as he worked
late and struggled to go straight to sleep. He typically stayed up for a couple of hours playing video games,
watching television, or browsing the internet. But after Jackie became pregnant, his
behavior worsened. He started staying up until 3, 4, or even 5:00 a.m. Sometimes
he wouldn't come to bed at all. Jackie had met Gilberto about 3 years earlier on a dating website. He sent the
first message, and when she viewed his profile, his occupation immediately caught her eye.
He was an officer with the New York Police Department. Jackie's father had been a police
officer and she thought the job sounded so cool. She replied to Gilberto and the
two arranged to meet for dinner. Their first date went exceptionally well. They shared laughs, enjoyed
dessert, and cuddled together at the movies. The night ended with a passionate kiss
and the shared sensation that something special had just begun. Things moved quickly after that. Within
weeks, Jackie and Gilberto were officially a couple. A year later, they moved into a New York apartment together
and got a puppy. Then, in January 2011, Jackie discovered she was pregnant. Gilberto's initial reaction was one of
shock and uncertainty. He didn't feel they were ready, but after long discussions, he seemingly
embraced the idea of becoming a father. Their daughter was born that September. 5 months later, Gilberto proposed.
The couple celebrated with a small but lovely wedding soon after. Life as new parents started off happily
enough, but Jackie gradually felt that she and Gilberto were drifting apart. As their intimacy faded, Gilberto
immersed himself deeper online. Whenever Jackie caught a glimpse of the computer screen, it appeared he was
browsing innocuous sites like ESPN, Major League Baseball, and a message board for New York cops.
It wasn't until Gilberto started regularly deleting his internet search history that Jackie began to suspect he
was hiding something, possibly an affair. When the computer stopped working in mid
2012, Gilberto began using Jackie's laptop. He created his own account on the device
secured with a password. One night in August, as Gilberto slept, Jackie saw that he had forgotten to log
out. At the bottom of the home screen were two small image files. She clicked on them, but the pictures
wouldn't load. However, she could view the file information, which revealed their
source, a website called the Dark Fetish Network. Jackie typed the website's URL into a
browser and discovered it was a pornographic forum for hardcore fetishists. Its homepage displayed a naked woman hog
tied and covered in blood. To Jackie, she appeared to be dead. The discovery left her stunned.
Gilberto was a kind, babyfaced man who some likened to a teddy bear. Sensitive, patient, and respectful, he
was the perfect gentleman, opening doors for Jackie and pulling out the chair for
her at dinner. He supported the family on his single income while treating them to special
joys such as meals out or trips to the zoo. Gilberto had never faced any misconduct
complaints as a police officer, nor had he been involved in criminal activity or
substance abuse. Though he and Jackie sometimes disagreed, he had never shown aggression, anger, or any inclination to
harm women. A virgin when they met, his intimacy with the Jackie had never involved
anything resembling the content on the Dark Fetish network. Gilberto was still asleep at 8:00 a.m.
when Jackie tapped him on the shoulder. Nervous, she tried to meet his gaze but couldn't quite manage it.
She told him he had left his account open on her computer. She hadn't meant to pry, but when she
clicked on an image, it took her to a website showing a woman tied up. Jackie's tone wasn't angry or
accusatory, yet Gilberto looked frightened. He quickly apologized, insisting he hadn't meant for her to see
it and explaining that it was nothing. Sometimes after late shifts, he said he came home wound up, and instead of
waking Jackie, he watched pornography instead. Most of it was normal stuff, though
occasionally he looked at bondage content. Jackie relaxed slightly. She told Gilberto she understood and
even suggested they experiment together as a way to reconnect. She proposed that he stop by a sex shop
the next day to pick up a few items for them to try. Gilberto seemed both relieved and
enthusiastic. For Jackie, the exchange offered a flicker of hope, the first since before
her pregnancy. She later recalled, "I thought maybe we had a breakthrough, that we were communicating, that he was
going to be honest and talk to me." Despite Jackie's optimism, the discovery changed both her and Gilberto
irrevocably. Jackie couldn't stop thinking about what she'd seen, while Gilberto seemed
increasingly suspicious of everything Jackie did. Overcome with a growing sense of dread
and feeling she had no choice on Sunday, September 10, 2012, Jackie installed spywear on her laptop.
The program recorded every keystroke, tracked every website visited, captured screenshots every 5 minutes, and
monitored all emails sent and received. The spyw wear revealed that Gilberto was
still secretly visiting fetish websites. Jackie later reflected, "I know SNM is kind of popular, like 50
Shades of Gray, but this seemed different." When she came across images of feet detached from bodies, Jackie realized
her husband's interests went far beyond just bondage content. The following morning, Jackie once again
tapped the shoulder of the sleeping Gilberto, waking him. I logged into the computer just now, she
immediately told him. And I saw everything. Gilberto tried to feain ignorance, but
Jackie laughed sarcastically. Oh, so you're going to deny it? When he tried to speak, Jackie cut him
off. Cook women, grill them. That's what we are to you. She said she intended to take their baby
and get away for a while. Desperate, Gilberto pleaded. Jackie, what you saw is not who I am.
He professed his love for Jackie, insisting she knew him while apologizing and begging her not to leave.
Tears streaming down her face, Jackie went to the bedroom and began packing. Once she had calmed down slightly, she
told the anguish to Gilberto, "I'm just a little freaked out. I need to get away."
She gathered their daughter and left for the airport, heading to her parents' home interstate.
In shock and grappling with a whirlwind of emotions, Jackie sent a text to Gilberto shortly after leaving that
said, "I do love you." Later, she messaged him again saying that she wasn't giving up and that they
would work through this together. Jackie suggested he schedule a couple's therapy appointment in a few weeks.
"Sounds great," Gilberto replied. I'm happy to hear that. When you come back, we start over. That's it. I never want
to see you like that again, and I won't let it happen again. Jackie had taken her laptop with her.
Days later, she logged into the spyware program again to further inspect the data it had collected.
Among the screenshots, she noticed an unfamiliar Yahoo email address. Curious, she went to Yahoo's website and
entered the sign-in details. Although she didn't know the password, she tried one that she and Gilberto used
for everything else. It worked. Jackie was confronted with thousands of disturbing messages and images Gilberto
had sent under the alias of girl meat hunter and others. The lurid messages detailed his desires
and plans to abduct, rape, kill, and eat women. Even more horrifying, his targets
included 10 women they both knew in real life whose photos he had taken from their Facebook pages and shared online.
Among them was an old friend from Jackie's workplace, Gilberto's supervisor at the
precinct, his high school crush, an 18-year-old graduate from his former high school, and several of his college
friends. Overcome with equal parts repulsion and terror, Jackie clicked on the inbox's
search bar and typed in Jackie. There were countless hits in messages from early 2012. Gilberto
had corresponded with someone using the name Ali Khn. Alli said he had been banned from the
Dark Fetish network for trying to turn his fantasies of buying and killing women into reality.
This piqued Gilberto's interest given his growing fascination with the idea of selling women. The two men quickly
struck up an online friendship. Gilberto suggested taking his wife on a trip to India where they could meet with
Ali Khn. The two men would then take turns raping Jackie before Gilberto planned to hang her by her feet and slit
her throat, then cook and consume her remains. He shared a photo of Jackie in a bikini,
noting that she had a lot of meat on various parts of her body. Ali Khn said he would enjoy watching her
blood gush, adding that if she cried, they should show no mercy. Gilberto replied, "It's okay. We will
just gag her." For Gilberto, the live cooking of Jackie was solely for his own entertainment and
her suffering. He said he wanted Jackie to experience as much pain as possible through her
ordeal, insisting that the rape would be the easy part for her. Upon uncovering this horrifying
information, Jackie messaged Gilberto. I need to know who you really are. Right now, I'm betrayed and terrified.
I need the truth about everything." She asked whether he had ever shared pictures of her or their daughter on the
websites he frequented or in the emails he sent. Gilberto replied, "Absolutely not. I
promise." Jackie knew Gilberto was lying. While she hadn't found any pictures of
their now 1-year-old daughter in his correspondence, he had shared plenty of images of her and much more.
In an email titled Fourth of July menu, Gilberto listed the personal details, physical descriptions, and photos of
several women he knew. Woman number six was described as 26 years old, 5'7 in tall, weighing 150 to
160 lb, married and with a baby daughter. The name given was Jackie, and the accompanying photo was of her.
Gilberto asked Jackie when she would be coming back, but she refused to answer. Instead, she demanded that he be
completely honest. Gradually, he began to confess everything. By Wednesday, October 24, 2012, Jackie
had been gone for 6 weeks. Gilberto had the day off from work and was alone in their New York apartment
watching a movie when around 200 p.m. a knock sounded at the door. He didn't move. He wasn't expecting
anyone and was not in the mood for visitors. The knocking eventually stopped, but
minutes later, his cell phone lit up with a call from unknown. He ignored it only for the phone to ring
again 5 minutes later. This time, he answered. A male voice asked, "Hello, is this
officer valley? Yes, Gilberto replied. Who's this? The caller identified himself as a
police officer from the 112th precinct. He explained that Gilberto's parked car had just been hit and suffered pretty
bad damage. He asked Gilberto to come outside so they could file a report. Gilberto got dressed, holstered his
workisssued handgun, and headed for the door. Gilberto stepped into the hallway. As he
rounded the corner toward the stairwell, he was met by six police officers with their guns trained on him.
"Put your hands up," one ordered. Gilberto raised his hands, protesting that it was all a misunderstanding.
Within moments, his wrists were cuffed behind his back and his service weapon taken.
Among the officers stood an FBI agent named Anthony Photo. Everything is going to be all right.
Agent Photo told him. Gilberto shook his head and said, "I don't think so." Gilberto Valley was taken into custody
and placed in an interview room with Agent Photo, who explained that this was Gilberto's one chance to get ahead in
the game by sharing his side of the story. Gilberto declined the offer of a lawyer
and began speaking. He started quite literally from the very beginning, his childhood.
[Music] Gilberto grew up in a quiet, uneventful neighborhood in New York. He was
well-liked in school, had plenty of friends, earned good grades, and stood out as a talented baseball player.
The only shadow over his childhood was his parents' troubled marriage. They argued often, and when they weren't
fighting, they tended to ignore each other. By the time Gilberto was five, his parents had separated.
Both remained devoted to him with his father pushing him to work hard and aim high while his mother nurtured his
kindness, generosity, and love for animals. In 2002, Gilberto left for college where
he shared an apartment with three roommates. He threw himself into campus life, parties, and social activities.
Midway through his senior year, he decided to pursue a career in law enforcement.
He passed the admission test with ease and completed the 1600 questionlong multiplechoice psychological evaluation,
probing everything from racial attitudes to finances, relationships, and even bedwedding.
Gilberto claimed he answered truthfully and no red flags were raised. He then completed a 30-inute
face-to-face examination with a psychologist, covering his upbringing, relationships, education, and lifestyle.
The only issue he admitted to was trying cannabis three times. He was cleared to begin training and
progressed smoothly through the academy. His first posting was to one of New York's most violent precincts, but he
handled the pressure well and found it less intimidating than expected. Afterward, he was reassigned to the
quieter 26th precinct, where he still worked 6 years later. Gilberto loved his job, but the long
irregular hours made it difficult to maintain a social life. When a colleague suggested online
dating, Gilberto decided to give it a try. He met Jackie, became a father, got married, and settled into family life.
Telling all this to FBI agent Anthony Photo, Gilberto said he had nothing more to add.
Agent Photo was incredulous. He knew of some very serious allegations against Gilberto that were deliberately
emitted from his otherwise flawless backstory. Determined to uncover the truth, photo
spent the next 2 hours questioning Gilberto about the dark fetish network, girl meat hunter, and the 10 women at
the center of it all. Gilberto admitted to everything, though he struggled to explain why he did it.
He claimed he didn't particularly enjoy the experience and acknowledged that it was destroying his personal life.
The long nights in front of the computer left him exhausted, created distance and
suspicion in his marriage, and eroded any desire for intimacy with his wife. Recognizing his online life was
beginning to damage his real one, Gilberto said he'd started taking steps to change.
In what he insisted was pure coincidence, the night before Jackie uncovered everything, he logged into the
Dark Fetish network for the last time and permanently deleted his account. Gilberto was resolute that while his
online conversations about harming women might have sounded realistic, they were
nothing more than makebelieve sexual roleplay. He was adamant that he had never hurt
anyone and that no one was ever in any real danger. Despite the thousands of gruesome
messages in which he discussed the abduction, rape, and murder of several particular women, all of them were found
safe and completely unaware of Gilberto's online activities. Many hadn't spoken to or thought about
him in years. Others maintained only casual contact, exchanging birthday wishes, or brief life updates.
The 18-year-old on Gilberto's list didn't even know him. It seemed Gilberto was telling the truth
that everything he did was confined to cyberspace. At least that's what he said.
[Music] During his interview with Gilberto Valley, agent Anthony Photo revealed that the FBI had made a major discovery
in their investigation of Girl Meat Hunter. One of the women on his list was a New
York resident named Marissa. She was an old friend and former colleague of Jackie Valley from when she
worked as an elementary school teacher. online. Gilberto had schemed to abduct and sell Marissa to a user he interacted
with known as Mike Vanheis 81. On Thursday, March 1, 2012, the day after a round of these discussions, the
GPS in Gilberto's cell phone traced him to the block where Marissa lived. The implication was chilling. Gilberto
hadn't merely fantasized about stalking women, but had seemingly carried out the
behavior in the real world. He insisted it was a coincidence or misunderstanding, but struggled to offer
a fully credible explanation as to why he had been in the area. This discovery led to Gilberto's first
chargeable offense, conspiracy to commit kidnapping. Yet, that wasn't the only piece of
evidence. authorities found that suggested Gilberto had taken steps to turn his fantasies into reality.
While on duty, Gilberto had access to a restricted law enforcement database containing sensitive information such as
individuals addresses, dates of birth, license plate numbers, and other personal details.
Officers were permitted to use it strictly for official police work. Records showed Gilberto had conducted
unauthorized searches on multiple women from his list during his time as girl meat hunter.
This discovery led to Gilberto's second and final charge, unauthorized access to
a law enforcement database. On the conspiracy charge alone, he was facing a potential life sentence.
Gilberto was denied bail and remained in prison until his trial began nearly 4 months later in February 2013.
By then, the case had become a headline staple with the horrific and grotesque nature of Gilberto's online messages
filling tabloid pages. The idea that an apparently normal functioning member of society spent his
nights talking about slitting women's throats and roasting them alive was made even more frightening by the fact that
he was an active police officer sworn to protect the community. Dubbed by the media as the cannibal cop,
Gilberto was likened to the fictional cannibalistic serial killer Dr. Hannibal Lectar from the horror thriller novel
The Silence of the Lambs. Even more damning were comparisons to real life serial killers, including the
infamous Milwaukee cannibal Jeffrey Dharma, who murdered 17 men and boys, and like Gilberto, harbored disturbing
fascinations with human flesh. For that reason, Gilberto was widely perceived as a deviant monster and a
danger to society. That was right up until his trial began. As Gilberto's trial date loomed, the
evidence supporting his charge of conspiracy to commit kidnapping weakened. The police had initially claimed that
GPS data placed Gilberto on the same block as the home of one of his intended victims, but this was then reduced to in
the vicinity and later to being within 500 yd. Finally, the morning that Gilberto's
trial was set to begin, the prosecution conceded that they would not be using the GPS evidence at all.
While the charge remained, the evidence now relied solely on the content of Gilberto's online activity.
Make no mistake, the prosecution asserted. Gilberto Valley was very serious about these plans.
They contended that Google searches he had carried out demonstrated intent. Gilberto had searched for such things as
how to make homemade chloroform, the best rope to tie someone up with, the world's largest baking dish, and even
how to prepare human meat. He had even searched how to kidnap someone. The prosecution stated that while
Gilberto might not have purchased or prepared anything by the time of his arrest, the fact that he had researched
these things indicated he was taking steps toward carrying out an abduction. In their view, it was fortunate that law
enforcement intervened before anything could be carried out. Yet, it was the absence of any physical
evidence that formed the crux of the defense's case. They posited that Gilberto was being
accused of a crime he didn't commit. Searches of his apartment, car, and work locker uncovered nothing of importance.
According to his own so-called blueprints for abductions, he lacked the tools and materials necessary to execute
his plans. He had no rope, duct tape, or tarps, no chloroform ingredients, and no
payments from wannabe slave owners. Contrary to Gilberto's claims, he didn't have a
van to transport victims, a remote house in the mountains to hold captives, or a
large enough oven to fit a person. The basement of his apartment complex contained a communal laundry room, not
the pulley system he said he was constructing to restrain women. The defense pointed out that Gilberto
might have thought about it. He might have talked about it, but he hadn't done anything offline that demonstrated
actionable intent to kidnap anybody. While acknowledging that Gilberto's online writings were scary and the stuff
of horror movies, the defense maintained that it was pure fiction, pretend. They argued that if having disturbing
thoughts or writing violent content were a crime, then horror movie directors and
author Steven King would be in prison. In the leadup to his trial, Gilberto Valley was interviewed by Dr. Park
Deets, a world-renowned forensic psychologist and criminologist who had provided expert opinions in numerous
high-profile cases, including that of real life cannibal Jeffrey Dharma. Gilberto told Dr. Deetsz that once he
reached puberty, he immediately sensed he was different from the other boys. He discovered that he was turned on by
bondage and sedto masochism, a sexual practice in which pleasure is derived from inflicting or receiving pain and
humiliation. There was nothing in particular that led to these feelings with Gilberto
explaining it was just there. He didn't worry about it as it was just something in his head that no one else
knew about. In every other respect, he considered himself a normal, successful, and good
person. In the late 1990s, Gilberto went online for the first time, describing it as
love at first sight. Over time, he discovered instant messaging and realized he could chat
with strangers pretending to be anyone he wanted. He also came across pornography,
including images of women in bondage. While these images weren't particularly violent or graphic, his desires grew.
He explored more websites and increasingly diverse and taboo fetishes. He first encountered cannibal related
pornography in college. One site led to another until he found the dark fetish network.
Gilberto explained that the quote weird stuff took over when he was at the computer, but he never brought his
sinister thoughts into his daily life, nor did he ever experiment with his fetishes or speak about them to others.
Although he enjoyed fantasizing about brutal scenarios involving women, Gilberto insisted he had no desire to
harm them in real life. He didn't fear any real world consequences, saying, "Why would I? I
wasn't doing anything illegal." Gilberto claimed that his time as girl meat hunter on the Dark Fetish Network
was a safe and contained way to explore his fetishes with like-minded people, not to plan crimes. Adding, "They are
called fantasies for a reason." In his report on Gilberto Valley, Dr. Park Deets stated that in his opinion,
Girl Meate Hunter was a role only, an exercise in sexual imagination and collaborative creative writing, and that
there was no reliable evidence to suggest that his erotic conversations could reasonably be construed as
conspiratorial plans rather than conversations that were an end in themselves. Dr. Deetsz ultimately concluded,
"I found no evidence whatsoever that Mr. Valley ever harmed or actually intended
to harm any woman." In Gilberto's words, the whole thing was like this big fantasy group, like a
group of guys getting together to play Dungeons and Dragons or World of Warcraft.
Except in our case, we weren't talking about rogues and mages and the spells they could cast. We were talking about
kidnapping women and sometimes killing them, too. Examination of Gilberto's extensive
online correspondents showed that he frequently reminded those he engaged with that his messages were fiction.
His profile on the Dark Fetish Network even included the disclaimer. I like to press the envelope, but no
matter what I say, it is all fantasy. When he shared photos of women he knew in real life, he told recipients they
were for fantasy only. When plotting the supposed abduction of Charlotte, Gilberto reminded Moody
Blues. If you're wondering, it's all fantasy. Likewise, when Mike Vanheis 81, asked if
he would actually kidnap Marissa, Gilberto admitted he didn't think so. I'm just talking fantasy, he wrote. No
matter what I say, it's make believe. Gilberto had exchanged thousands of emails and instant messages with around
two dozen people in which he discussed kidnapping, rape, murder, and cannibalism.
The FBI divided the chats into two groups, ones they felt were fake and ones that they thought were real.
In 21 out of 24 of these cases, the FBI had no choice but to conclude the exchanges were clearly fictional
roleplay. For instance, Gilberto told others that he had a woman from his top 10 list
named Amanda bound and gagged in his basement and that he planned to sell her for $35,000.
This wasn't true at all. In fact, the only real world event mentioned in Gilberto's fictional chats was his
brunch with Charlotte. Everything else he discussed had no direct links to reality.
Still, the FBI concluded that Gilberto engaged in three real exchanges aimed at conducting criminal behavior with Moody
Blues, Mike Vanheis 81, and Ali Khn, targeting Charlotte, Marissa, and Jackie, respectively.
The defense emphasized that the chats Gilberto had with these men contained the same language as the fictitious
conversations, sometimes word for word. Additionally, the so-called real chats were filled with plenty of fictitious
content as well, such as Gilberto's claims that he had a human-sized oven and a remote house up in the mountains.
During the year-long communication, none of the men involved ever took any serious steps to meet up.
They never tried to uncover each other's real identities, either. Gilberto routinely lied to the others
about his age, marital status, job, work hours, and where he lived. Their communication was sporadic, often
with months passing between chats, causing them to forget what had previously been discussed.
Although they sometimes set dates for kidnappings, Gilberto never took any action on those days.
One time he made separate plans with each of the men to abduct three different women on the same day. One was
from Manhattan, one from Ohio, and the third from Pakistan. Not only did he not follow through on
any of these plans, the dates passed without comment, explanation, or followup from the others.
Gilberto even fabricated details about the women on his list. While he did give out their first names, every other
detail such as their last names, addresses, occupations, and dates of birth were false.
Despite repeated requests, he never provided identifying information that would allow anyone to actually find the
women. The trial's first witness was Gilberto's wife, Jackie. Her appearance on the stand marked the
first time the two had seen each other since Jackie left their apartment in tears after discovering Gilberto's
secret life. Jackie avoided making eye contact with Gilberto as she explained how she
accidentally uncovered a girl meat hunter. She also described strange behaviors Gilberto exhibited in the months leading
up to the discovery. She said he became angry when she threw away an old suitcase of his, raising
questions about whether it was the one he intended to use to abduct Marissa for Mike Vanheis 81.
Gilberto claimed he never got angry or really cared about the discarded suitcase. He merely found it odd that
Jackie got rid of it. She said that Gilberto encouraged her to start jogging at night and began asking
questions about her route, including where exactly she went, whether it was well lit, and if there were people
around. Although there was nothing in his online communications to support it. It was
speculated that Gilberto had been gathering information about his wife's movements for a co-conspirator.
Gilberto said he was only ever curious to know about Jackie's jogging route to see if she was challenging herself by
running up steep inclines in their neighborhood or sticking to flat ground. Jackie painted Gilberta as a disengaged
father who rarely helped with their baby and often appeared despondent, sighing in a way that made her feel as though
she was wasting his time. Overall, she described their marriage poorly. Gilberto felt the opposite. To him, the
year that they had a child and tied the knot was a good one, full of love and celebration.
He said he loved his daughter and described Jackie as his best friend. Text messages Jackie sent Gilberto
throughout 2012 showed affection and care. She wrote about how much she loved him, how he made her smile, excitedly
planned family activities, called him good to her, and referred to him as the best when he agreed to bring home ice
cream and cookies. While Gilberto acknowledged that his computer use and hidden sexual
proclivities had created some distance and a lull in intimacy, things were overall good at home with plenty of
great moments. And it wasn't until Jackie discovered Girl Meate Hunter that she began to view
their time together differently. [Music] It was Jackie who turned Gilberto into the FBI.
She handed over her laptop and authorized agents to copy its hard drive. She also gave them keys to the
couple's apartment and consented to the seizure of another computer Gilberto had
used before it malfunctioned. When the defense asked to meet Jackie before the trial, she snapped.
You're representing the man who wants to kill me. No, I don't want to talk to you.
Jackie was the only woman on Gilberto's top 10 list who had anything bad to say about him at his trial. While all the
other women who Gilberto fantasized about were disturbed to learn about what he'd done, none of them reported ever
feeling threatened or uneasy around him in real life. During his time as girl meat hunter,
he'd stopped by one of the woman's workplaces to say hello, had seen others in passing at social events, and visited
another in the hospital after she had a baby. At those times, he was typically accompanied by his wife for a colleague,
and nothing sinister had ever occurred. The prosecution placed significant emphasis on the brunch meeting Gilberto
had with Charlotte in July. Charlotte was a former college classmate of Gilberto's who lived in Maryland.
The two had kept in touch over the years, and it was Charlotte who had asked to meet up.
According to Charlotte, the brunch had been pleasant and entirely normal. Gilberto had even brought his wife and
daughter. In her opinion, he was a doting father who appeared to have a good relationship
with the Jackie. She didn't get any sense that he was plotting anything nefarious.
When Gilberto returned home, he immediately rushed to his computer to message his friend Moody Blues that
Charlotte looked mouthwatering. Gilberto explained this. As much as a fantasy like this may not
be normal and might be shocking to many, it is no different than if I were to see
a woman I knew for lunch and told a buddy of mine, "Man, she looked hot." He didn't speak with Moody Blues for a
month after this exchange, at which point the pair never mentioned Charlotte again.
The defense claimed that Gilberto used his wife and their friends as the objects of his fantasies because sexual
fantasies often include those we know or find attractive, not because he actually
intended to harm these specific women. As Gilberto's trial neared its conclusion, public perception of him had
shifted. The prosecution's lack of concrete evidence led many to label the case a
sham. Newspaper reports criticized the FBI for cherry-picking statements to construct a
narrative that ultimately amounted to nothing. In the eyes of many, the defense had
successfully underscored the absurdity of the charges. For example, why would an experienced
police officer need to Google how to kidnap someone if he were truly intent on doing so?
At times, the courtroom even broke into laughter at the sheer implausibility of the evidence being presented.
The second charge, unauthorized access to a law enforcement database, had also lost traction.
Gilberto admitted to making unauthorized searches, calling them stupid, reckless,
and wrong. He said he had run many names over the years, including members of his
own family. He explained that he sometimes entered a random name into the database when
turning on the mobile data computer in his patrol car just to test if the device was working.
He had developed this habit after an NYPD officer was shot when approaching a suspect vehicle.
The officer hadn't been able to run the license plate beforehand because his mobile data computer wasn't working.
Aside from Jackie, the only other person from Gilberto's list that he had actually looked up on the database was
his high school crush, Chloe. It was found that he had only searched her name once during his time as girl
mate hunter, but he didn't do it to gather intelligence. Khloe testified that she had reached out
to Gilberto after getting into a car accident because she needed the report number.
Although Gilberto wasn't technically supposed to do this, it wasn't uncommon for officers to misuse the system, and
he had run Khloe's name through the database to get the number for her. The defense moved to have the case
dismissed, arguing that the government had fallen far short of meeting its burden of proof.
However, the judge allowed the trial to proceed in full while underscoring one critical point to the jury.
There is almost no evidence of action by Gilberto Valley beyond computer-based activities.
[Music] In their closing arguments, the prosecution contended that Gilberto's fantasies were unacceptable and that the
pornography he indulged in was quote, "not normal pornography for any human being."
They argued that the defense was attempting to convince the jury of ideas that defied common sense, including that
it was acceptable for an armed police officer to go about his day making detailed plans about killing real women.
In their closing statements, the defense compared the case to the 1938 CBS radio
broadcast of The War of the Worlds, which was presented as a series of realistic news bulletins about a Martian
invasion of Earth. Many listeners who turned in late missed the opening disclaimer that it was a
dramatization, resulting in widespread panic. They also drew parallels to George
Orwell's dystopian novel 1984, specifically the thought police, whose role was not just to punish crimes, but
to detect and eliminate thought crime, any thinking that contradicted the state's ideology.
The defense argued, "You can't convict people for their thoughts, even if they're sick."
The jury deliberated for more than two full days before returning a verdict. They found Gilberto Valley guilty of
conspiracy to commit kidnapping as well as guilty of the unauthorized use of a federal database.
The decision sent shock waves through the courtroom and beyond. Despite personal opinions of Gilberto's
disturbing fantasies, the prevailing belief among the press, the public, and trial observers was that the defense
would win. Instead, Gilberto received the maximum penalty, life in prison on the
kidnapping conspiracy charge, along with a concurrent 12-month sentence for database misuse.
Speaking to the press after the verdict, lead defense attorney Julia Gatau remarked,
"Obviously, the case involved thoughts that were unusual and bizarre and frankly very ugly. We think that the
jury just couldn't get past that." Defense attorney Robert Bal added, "We were always worried that that thought
would prevail over an objective, rational, non-emotional view of the evidence. People can be prosecuted for their
thoughts and convicted, which is even sadder to think about." One juror later spoke anonymously for
the HBO documentary Thought Crimes: The Case of the Cannibal Cop. They said the entire jury had
immediately agreed that Gilberto was guilty of the unauthorized database usage. It was the kidnapping conspiracy that
required longer deliberation. While all the jurors acknowledged that Gilberto had problems, some felt more
strongly than others that he was guilty of that charge. For the juror being interviewed, the
fact that Gilberto had shared photos of real women he knew was what made his actions more than just fantasy.
However, it was Gilberto's discussions with Moody Blues about Charlotte that truly shifted the jury's perception.
According to the juror, his trip to Maryland to visit Charlotte, along with the document titled Abducting and
Cooking Charlotte, a blueprint, made it very real to the jury that any one of the women could have wound up a murder
victim. [Music] Gilberto Valet appealed his conviction with the case heard in July 2014.
In delivering his findings, the presiding judge described Gilberto's online communications as deviant,
depraved, and misogynistic, but noted that they contained a veritable avalanche of false,
fictitious, and fantastical information concerning himself and the steps he had allegedly taken to facilitate a
kidnapping. The judge ruled that based on the evidence, it was more likely than not
that all of Gilberto's online communications about kidnapping were just fantasy roleplay.
His chats and emails about these topics by themselves were not enough to prove the legal elements of a conspiracy to
commit kidnapping. The conspiracy charge was overturned, while the charge for unauthorized use of
a federal database was upheld. By that point, Gilberto had already spent 21 months in solitary confinement
due to his protective status as a former police officer. He was sentenced to time served and
promptly released under the conditions of one year of probation, ongoing mental health treatment, and various
restrictions, including no contact with the women involved in the case, and no internet use.
He remained in home confinement at his mother's house while the prosecution pursued their own appeal.
The matter was fully resolved in the second US Circuit Court of Appeals in December 2015.
In a 2:1 ruling, the court rejected the prosecutor's arguments and upheld Gilberto's appeal.
While the decision acknowledged that fantasies of violence against women contribute to a culture of exploitation
and are a massive social harm that demeans women. The court emphasized that not every harm is meant to be addressed
with the federal criminal law. The second circuit also reversed Gilberto's unauthorized database usage
conviction. Outside the courtroom, Gilberto Valley offered a formal apology to everyone who
had been hurt, shocked, or offended by what he described as his infantile actions.
Speaking to the women involved, he said, "I just hope they know they were never in danger. I would never do the things I
talked about on the internet. Never." He reiterated that he was incapable of violence while acknowledging that his
words alone wouldn't mean anything unless he rebuilt his life. Taking full responsibility, he added,
"It was my fault for doing all this. That's not who I really am. People who know me never believed the allegations."
Gilberto's co-conspirator, Moody Blues, was later identified as 57year-old Dale Bolinger, a nurse from Canterbury,
England. He also faced conspiracy charges related to the Girl Meat Hunter case, as well as
additional charges for separate offenses, including grooming an underage girl and possession of child abuse
images. Ballinger was convicted on 11 charges and sentenced to 9 years in prison,
though he was released after roughly 3 years for good behavior. He relocated to the American state of
Nebraska. But when local residents raised concerns about him living near a playground, he was taken into custody
and transferred to a treatment facility for sex offenders. Gilberto's second co-conspirator, Mike
Vanheis, 81, had used his real name as his online username. Vanheis was a 23-year-old mechanic from
New Jersey. He was also charged and found guilty of conspiracy to commit kidnapping and sentenced to 7 years in
prison. His reduced sentence reflected his cooperation with authorities, a troubled childhood, and the court's
determination that he was less culpable than Gilberto. The third co-acused, Ali Khn, was
identified as a man from Pakistan, though his full identity remains unknown. [Music]
Gilberto Valley has spoken publicly about his experience through various media interviews and engagements.
He was featured in the HBO documentary on his case and authored a memoir titled Raw Deal: The Untold Story of the NYPD's
Cannibal Cop. He appeared in person at CrimeCon in 2019, and his case inspired an episode
of Law and Order: Special Victims Unit titled Thought Criminal. Reactions to Gilberto's outcome remained
mixed. While some people accept his claims of fantasy, others believe he genuinely intended to harm women and
that he remains a danger to society. He has received letters from supporters, including individuals with
unconventional and morbid fetishes of their own. He has also received messages from
people expressing their desire to put a bullet in his head. Gilberto claims he is unbothered by such
remarks, explaining, "They can't overlook the fact that they can say that and have nothing happened
to them in part because of how my case played out. You can dislike me as much as you want. You can say he's a scumbag.
He's a piece of garbage. But if you look at the case merely from a legal perspective, there's one
conclusion you can reach. This is the country of second chances. I'm holding out hope that people who
make mistakes don't have to be forever defined by those mistakes. To this day, the case continues to spark
dialogue on several contentious issues, including the distinction between thought and action, the role of online
platforms, media and public sensationalism, and free speech and legal precedent.
It is often cited as an example of thought policing where someone is punished for their ideas rather than
their actions. Speaking about the case, the policy director for the American Civil
Liberties Union, Lee Roland, said, "There is always reasonable doubt about whether or not someone is going to take
a particular action. Police officers don't have some magical psychic wand that allows them to know
either. We don't want to give the government the ability to decide what fantasies meet the thought police's bar
for acceptability. That bar is rightly high. If the First Amendment protects someone
fantasizing about violently raping and killing and eating a woman, it's going to protect pretty much anything you're
thinking about. And that's what principles mean. They make us uncomfortable, and we apply
them regardless. [Music]

In 2010, a user known as Girl Meat Hunter joined The Fetish Network, a website where people with extreme sexual fetishes could connect and interact. On their profile, Girl Meat Hunter described their interests as the “easy A.B.C” - Abduction, Bondage, and Cannibalism. What was only meant to be an online safe space for creative roleplay soon took a dark turn, as Girl Meat Hunter’s deadly desires began to blur the line between fantasy and reality.

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Brief Summary

Gilberto Valley's case raises questions about online fantasies and legal consequences after he discussed cannibalism and kidnapping women online.

Key points

The Dark Fetish Network Launches. In 2009, Sergey Morenov co-founded a niche social media platform for sexual fetishes.
Girl Meat Hunter Joins. A new member with dark fantasies joins the network, revealing disturbing preferences.
Plans for Abduction. Girl Meat Hunter and Moody Blues plot to kidnap a woman named Charlotte.
A Sudden Exit. Girl Meat Hunter abruptly closes his account on the Dark Fetish Network.
Jackie's Discovery. Jackie uncovers Gilberto's secret online life, leading to a shocking confrontation.
The Cannibal Cop. Gilberto's online fantasies lead to serious criminal charges, shocking his community.

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