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cry I believe the Lord's going to Direct Me Guide Me And Lead Me and we're going to give the glory to
[Music] [Applause] him there's a voice calling me from an or tree and it Whispers draw close
to me leave this world Memphis [Applause] [Music] Memphis the police in West Memphis
Arkansas confirmed today that three young boys were brutally murder the bodies of Weaver elementary school
second graders Steven Branch Christopher buers and Michael Mor were pulled from a
shallow Creek earlier today there are rumors that the boys may have been sexually mutilated the police say that
they do not yet have any suspects in the case the missing 8-year-old boys were discovered in an area known as Robin
Hood Hills a secluded patch of woods behind the Blue Beacon Truck Wash along Interstate 40 in
West and man imagine all the evil that you could think of the how someone could be murdered and that's how these three
children die no family should have to go through this unfortunately it's going to happen
again somewhere another town another town it's going to happen again I'm sure lot of bad people out there in the
world I see no reason I see no motive for why these three little boys were murder no one had to have murdered the
three boys even Branch Christopher Anda hundreds of people killed in the name of religion it is a motivating
force it gives people who want to do evil want to commit murders a reason to do what they're doing
[Music] [Applause] real quick Captain I want to give a little disclaimer here okay so this is a
huge case this is a whale of a tale now we all know that there's plenty of movies there's plenty of books about
this case uhhuh and we wanted to approach this a little bit differently because I've always felt that a lot of
the movies and a lot of the books regarding this case they claim that they're going to go into it you know no
bias right exactly that that John Mark buers is not guilty that Terry Hobbs is not guilty that the West Memphis 3 are
not guilty or or or they they are guilty right um you know that they're going to
go into it and point fingers and so what we're going to try to do here Captain is what we did was we
put the blindfold on mhm and we we we're not seeing this with any preconceived notions of of guilt by anybody involved
and we're just going to look and examine at how this thing went down and the timeline and the people involved it's
we're we're taking a car into the garage we're going to dismantle it we're going
to take it apart we're going to look at it piece by piece we're going to put it back together again and see if it runs
there's a lot of hearsay in this case and there's a lot of character assassination in this case what we're
focusing on is the facts what we know for sure and I'm sure some people are familiar with the documentaries and the
books that were involved with this case I mean we have the Paradise Lost Trilogy
we have the west of Memphis documentary we have books like the devil's not untying the KN Abomination I mean the
list goes on and on and on and every couple years we we find out there's there's a new book or there's a new
movie about this case and if you watch those or you read those you only get a piece you only get a kind of a sneak
peek into this case you can but there's so much information out there where you can actually dive into the actual
reports and the actual timelines that were taken by law enforcement we're going to start off by discussing some of
the police reports that were given May 5th 199 93 in West Memphis Arkansas this was a Wednesday the full moon rised at
7:41 p.m. there's a missing person's report that needs to be responded to officer
Meeks arrives at the home of John Mark buers at 8:00 p.m. and now he's complaining that his son has gone
missing he says that uh his his son might be a missing person that the last time that he had seen
him he was cleaning the yard at 5:30 p.m. his son's name is Christopher buers now he he would go on to explain to the
officer that Christopher was on Ridin for hyperactivity and at this date he had not taken his medication that day Mr
buer said that his stepson Christopher was last seen at 6m By Dana Moore who is the neighbor and Christopher was playing
with her son Michael Moore who is also believed to be missing Christopher buers was 4' 4 in tall roughly 50 lbs light
brown hair and brown eyes he was last seen wearing blue jeans dark shoes and a long sleeve white T-shirt and after
taking the complaint officer Meek would go on to respond to another call now this call took place at the Bojangles
restaurant this is a chicken restaurant now she arrives and goes to the window and she takes this report through the
window and the report is the manager is stating that about 30 minutes before the
officer had arrived that a bleeding black man had entered the restaurant and went into the women's restroom now he
had blood on his face and appeared to have been mentally Disturbed or mentally disoriented and he had wandered away
from the restaurant just a few minutes before officer Meek could arrive now employees would go on and they would
find blood smeared on the bathroom walls there has been some speculation about this individual having a sling on one of
his arms yeah and that is apparent because of a follow-up police report that was conducted the second day this
would be uh May 6th where detective Sergeant Allen and detective Ridge went to the bo Jangles restaurant and they
they talked with a Marty King now Marty King is the manager at the Bojangles restaurant and the reason why they got
the call was once the boys were found the manager believed that there was some kind of connection between the man that
he saw in the restaurant yeah the Bojangles restaurant was not terribly far from the Robin Hood Hills woods and
right that's why he called the cops out to collect evidence and we do before I get into the second police report we do
have to mention that officer Meek did not enter when she arrived on May 5th she did not enter the restaurant at all
she took the report through the window she didn't go into the restaurant she did not go into the women's restroom to
investigate they had other calls to tend to that evening and and she she left before she could further investigate now
after like you said after the boys have been found now we got to go back and revisit this thing right so now they
send a detective two detectives to the Bojangles restaurant they meet with the manager the manager is going to further
give further detail on this story now what he says is that the black male entered the restaurant on the evening of
May 5th and he was found in the lady's room and appeared to have been bleeding from the arm the manager stated that the
man was about 511 thin he was dirty he was in his late 20s and they found a pair of sunglasses that were left on the
toilet which is suspected to have been left by the black male now the subject that we're talking about he had a blue
cast type brace on his arm that had white Velcro on it the black man appeared to be mentally disoriented
maybe intoxicated and again he reminded police that when they placed the call the night
before and officer Meek arrived that the uh the black man in question had left on foot and he was walking East
towards the back dumpster the manager also stated that the black man's clothing was a denim
sleeveless shirt with black shoes that looked like they were tennis shoes and black thin warm-up pants now the two
detectives that arrived the day after on the 6th they would go and they would took they took blood scrapings from the
north wall inside the women's bathroom above the toilet they took blood scrapings from the inside of a door of
the stall door to the bathroom and uh they also took uh evidence from the entrance hall to the bathroom as well in
the sitting area of the restaurant this Blood evidence that they collected was never tested and the reason why it was
never tested was it was lost by the detectives yeah and some of the blood that would have been there the night
before was cleaned up by the employees so there was there was less and also the sunglasses that were reported to have
been left on the toilet were never recovered possibly thrown away back to May 5th the evening of May 5th officer
Meek is at the Bojangles restaurant taking her report when she receives another call now this is a disturbance
call regarding a criminal mischief complaint she leaves the scene this is probably why she never went into the
restaurant never went into the restroom and she went to take this other call this criminal mischief complaint about
somebody throwing eggs after taking the report about somebody throwing eggs officer Meek continues on and she's
responding to another call this time she arrives at the home of Dana more at 9:24
p.m. this was called the complaint was called in by the mother Dana and when she arrives she talks with the mother
and she says that she observed her son her son is missing at this point now remember earlier Mr buers had said that
he believed that his son was with Michael Moore this is the mother of Michael Moore and she's saying at 9:24
p.m. that uh her son is missing and he was last seen riding bicycles with his friends Stevie branch and Christopher
buers she had lost sight of the boys they ventured on further out of her sight and when she lost sight of the
boys she sent her daughter uh Dawn to find them the boys couldn't be found and she described her son Michael as
approximately 4ot tall 60 lb with brown hair and blue eyes and he was last seen wearing blue pants a Blue Boy Scouts of
America shirt orange and blue Boy Scout hat and tennis shoes and both of these boys that are missing are 8 years old so
far yes all all two boys that have been reported missing are 8 years old sold now the the complaint By Dana Moore
states that they were riding bicycles with their other friend Stevie Branch who's eight as well shortly after
officer Meek arrives to take the missing person's report from the mo household a
second officer is responding to again another missing person's call now this officer arrives at the catfish Island
restaurant we got to discuss this a little bit because this is a much different call in my opinion than the
first two calls that we've already discussed okay so in this situation we have Pam Hobs she's working at the
catfish Island restaurant okay now her husband Terry Hobbs he's The Stepfather of Stevie Branch he arrives to pick up
Pam Hobs from work okay so she's getting off work and and he arrives approximately it must have been about
920 to 9:25 because the police call comes in and a police officer is dispatched shortly after that in
responds to this call just after 9:24 p.m. and Terry Hobbs isn't alone when he goes to pick up Pam Hobs he is with
their daughter Amanda yeah you're exactly right and what happened is see Pam Hobs she had a DWI so she's no
longer driving she doesn't have a driver's license at this time so Terry Hobbs would typically drive her to work
which he did on the day of May 5th and then he would come back and pick her up mhm okay so at this point Terry Hobbs
arrives with older daughter Amanda and they go to pick up Pam hops now Pam says that it was a that the
pickup was a little weird because when Terry enters the restaurant that he came in and without talking to her without
telling her what he was doing he goes over to the pay phone and places a phone call he doesn't explain to her who he is
calling now Pam comes out of the restaurant and she specifically says that she expected to see her son and her
daughter in Terry's truck that they were all going to ride home together cuz it's
like 920 yeah inde and we got a 8-year-old and we're not going to leave children at home alone exactly so she
comes out of the restaurant and she says that you know they have those little gumball machines or whatever that she
purposely you know bought a couple pieces of candy she was going to give one to admanda and one to steevie she
gets into the truck there's no Stevie now Terry gets into the truck with her and he says you know Stevie's still
missing we haven't been able to find him me and Amanda we've been together the entire time that you've been at work and
we've been out looking for Stevie now his friends are missing as well I've just called the cops from the pay phone
so the police arrive now this is Officer Moore he arrives and he's going to take
the compl from Pam hops now she would state that her son left home after school and she
hasn't seen him since she also stated that Dana Moore stated that she had saw Steve with her son Michael Moore and
Christopher buers around 6:00 p.m. now it's 1993 it's not that abnormal for 8-year-old boys to just go off and play
maybe go to one friend's house for a little bit go to another one's maybe you tell your parents where you're at maybe
you don't you just ride around the neighborhood it's not until it's about dinner time that your parents would
actually start worrying about you I see what you're saying I mean this is a Time
kids go out and play after school you know you get together with your buddies you go ride bikes you're on skateboards
or whatever you're gone for a while and you're gone maybe longer than you anticipated to be gone or longer than
your parents told you that you could be out and playing with your friends this situation might be a little bit
different though you know now we're talking about like you said N9 30ish p.m. it's dark we've already established
that the the moon came up before 8:00 p.m. that night so just because the moon is out before 8:00 doesn't mean it's
dark before 8:00 but we could obviously assume that at 9:20 9:25 when this report has taken place it is dark now
and that's what has given her cause for concern definitely and before you know as stated she didn't know until Terry
had told her just minutes before that her son was still missing when the officer is there and she's giving the
report she would go on to describe her son Stevie as 4' 2 in tall approximately 60 lbs he's got blonde hair and blue
eyes and he was last seen wearing blue jeans and a white T-shirt and he was riding his 20-in black Renegade bicycle
now what's convenient for the police department is the three reports of the missing children they're all in the same
neighborhood they all live around each other do you want to describe that neighborhood for us yeah it's convenient
but Troublesome and they're all reported to have been seen with one another now this neighborhood is it's situated
between a very busy freeway the interstate 40 freeway is to the north of the neighborhood and to the south of the
neighborhood we have the 10mile bou we have the two boys Chris buers and Michael Moore they live basically next
door to one another and just less than about a quarter of a mile south of their home is Stevie is the home of Stevie
Branch now to the north of of all of their homes about a half mile north of the Michael Moore's home and Christopher
byer's home we have what is known as the Robin Hood Hills mhm this is a Woods that that is on the outskirt of the
neighborhood there and this section of Woods is roughly 4 Acres we have some reports where the boys were seen heading
towards that direction now these Woods were considered an area that parents didn't want their kids playing in the
woods but we all know we were all kids once if there was a wood somewhere if there was I wasn't you you've just been
you came out this way and if there were came out if there were Woods or if there
was a creek or if there was something to something that would lead to an Adventure especially when you're 8 9 10
years old you're going into those woods and you're going to go play and so it was a little suspected that once they
were seen going north that maybe the boys had ventured into these woods these Woods are located right by the Blue
Beacon Truck Wash which so it's not just a car wash it's more of for washing semis and stuff like that yeah there's a
service road that runs right off of that Interstate 40 and this is where the truck washes and now one thing we got to
keep in mind here with the West Memphis town is that a lot of their money that they generate comes from being located
right by this freeway this freeway is one of the most traveled freeways in the United States so they get a lot of
truckers that are going to stop they're going to wash their car or I'm sorry wash their truck but there's also truck
stops and there's these restaurants where the truckers would go into and spend their money to get a meal or to
fill up their tank uh wash their truck so it's a big part of their economy by 9:30 p.m. it's well established that we
have three missing boys all from the same neighborhood multiple family members of these missing boys are out
searching for their children for their stepchildren and they would go you know they would drive up and down the streets
of the neighborhood ask neighbor Neighbors if they had seen anybody if they had seen the boys uh there and some
of them even ventured in into the truck wash and ventured into the wooded area and by after midnight most of them start
to give up their search you know it's getting way into to the late of the night they cannot find the boys and
unfortunately there's not much hope but but what they do is they wake up the next morning well also it's it's so dark
that you can't see anything you're you're hoping this is just a misunderstanding that maybe they went to
somebody's house that they didn't know about and we can't do much tonight so we'll deal with it in the morning and
that these family members as well as law enforcement would continue on the search
the following morning now the uh police department would get help from other local law enforcement agencies in their
searches mhm so we have a smaller Police Department that is going to get a lot of
help from from bigger police departments and we even have the Memphis the city of
Memphis in Tennessee sends over a helicopter to search the following again this is west of Memphis Yeah we have the
Memphis Police Department providing the helicopter for for the search the following morning as well as the criten
county sheriff's department assisting with officers and boots on the ground here's one thing that's interesting
captain on the morning of May 6th this is an appointment that was already scheduled right okay we have a
woman named Vicky Hutchinson she's a proxim in the early 30s and she has an appointment to speak with an officer his
name is Don Bray now this is this interview would be conducted when the kids were still missing mhm so she
arrives to this interview and the reason for the interview is that a local truck
stop where Vicky Hutchinson works there was a suspected credit card fraud situation okay after being asked by the
truck stop owners to interview this woman he has scheduled this interview now so she's a suspect in
this she's a suspect for this because there was a $200 overrun on a credit card MH now the owners of the truck stop
they suspected that their new employee Vicki she was working at the time right and this is something that hadn't
happened recently or hadn't happened before and they believe that she should be suspected of this $200 overrun on
this credit card this credit card belonged to a customer so we could assume that they maybe questioned her
about it but they didn't feel so confident in what the answers they got so they turned it over to the police
department so the interview starts right and Vicki shows up and she shows up with
her 8-year-old son Aaron now the officer is a little perturbed by this because he's thinking couldn't you find a better
way for this to go down that maybe somebody should be watching your son maybe you shouldn't be bringing him to a
police interview where where you're a suspect in in a potential fraud yeah maybe the officer didn't think that she
was taking it serious enough well she explains to the officer after they start talking about the credit card incident
uhuh she explains to the officer that I brought my son Aaron with me because he's 8 years old and he goes to school
with the boys that are missing I've heard these kids are missing and that he is very good he's best friends with
Michael Moore and Christopher buers now Vicky would tell the officer that on the
previous day the pre previous afternoon that the buyer's boy had came over to the house with Michael Moore and
had asked Vicky if her son Aaron could go with them to the woods yeah and now Robin Hill most of thein hood Hill Robin
Hood Hills most of the parents didn't want their kids playing in these Woods like we talked about and a big reason
for this is because it is located so close to all those Trucking places right that they were worried about people
passing through people that they couldn't trust people that they didn't know people not from the area just being
around their children who might be playing in the woods or playing on the outskirts of the woods so anybody that
they'd run into from those truck stops would have a easy way in and an easy way out yeah it's one of the busiest
freeways in the United States so during this interview after officer Bray starts
discussing the missing boys with with Vicky and with her son Aaron he decides to phone the local police department and
say hey I might have I might have somebody that might have some information in this case this boy was
asked to go with the other boys to the woods and his mom said no you can't go sound sounds like a great way to deflect
so the the officer is then told this is in the early afternoon on May 6th that uh thank you for the call but we have
just found the bodies of the three boys he hangs up the phone and he decides you
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[Music] active Aaron would go on to tell officer Bray that in the past he had gone to the
woods with the boys and on one occasion Michael Moore had even gone swimming in the ditch there was a ditch a drainage
ditch that had run off of the 10 mile by you and it was basically like a big Creek right and in some locations it was
quite it was quite deep you know it would get as maybe as deep as 4ot 5 foot yeah uh definitely enough for a
8-year-old to swim in yeah and it was it at some points you know it was thin and
other points that there was more distance between the two Shores but he had said that on more than one occasion
he had gone into the woods with the boys and that they had actually had a clubhouse in the woods and they would go
there often Aaron would go on to tell officer Bray that the day before just after school he had seen Michael Moore
talking with a black man this man was described as tall and that the man had been sent he
said he had been sent by Michael Moore's mom to pick him up after school mhm the
the man was black he was tall he had yellow teeth and he had writing on his T-shirt and he was driving a maroon car
well this was very interesting to the officer because Aaron Hutchinson would have known he knew these boys he went to
school with them he lived in the neighborhood with them he would easily be able to identify Michael Moore his
description of the man is specific you know he's giving specific details right the problem with this report is that
Michael Moore's mom said no I didn't send anybody to pick up my son right and second of all we live right by the
school he just walks home and Michael was reported as having come home straight after school mhm so this
reports a little weird we have this strange but it's coming from an eight-year-old we have this strange
person that's that's seen by this 8-year-old that knew Michael Moore knew Christopher buyers and reports that he
saw this strange man however there's not a lot of weight to it because he's 8 years old he's 8 years old and Michael
Moore came straight home after school not a lot of validity to this story a quick friendly garage reminder this show
is for adults not for children if your kids your kids shouldn't listen to the show if they're in the car with you or
in the room with you uh don't do it uh this this is about to get pretty graphic and this is the stuff that nightmares
are made of so you've been warned all right now now we're going to venture into the woods and what took place in
the afternoon of May 6th the officers the the all the law enforcement agencies that have banned together and they're
looking for these three missing boys they would find them in the early afternoon on the 6th now they had looked
for them quite a bit that morning and they spent a lot of that time combing damn near every inch of the woods in the
wooded area like I said before the woods was about 4 Acres but the first part it
seemed like the most populated part or the most the part that people would spend the most time at would be the
front part of the woods not so much the back part yeah so what you have here is you have basically a tree line that that
I don't know how deep the tree line was but then the woods itself is divided by the 10 m Bou
diversion which is to to make sure that it doesn't flood the area it's basically
a giant pipe well but but the water that runs underneath of it they they're diverting the water elsewhere right so
that the main waterer Source doesn't flood and so this divides the woods now the the tree line that we just discussed
is closest to the neighborhood where the boys lived now if you cross over that pipe and cross over the diversion ditch
the water that runs there you're in the part is what what the neighborhood people would refer to as old Robin Hood
okay so they are combing both sides of this wooded area for most of the morning and nothing is discovered now they're
just about ready to leave the area law enforcement is just about ready to leave the woods mhm when one Officer Steve
Jones he's a Kinton County juvie officer he is basically the last man left in the
woods and there is a creek that runs off of that diversion that we had discussed
and he's looking down in the creek just about ready to leave the woods when he spots a tennis shoe and this is a black
laceless tennis shoe this is a 1:30 p.m. now the officers he calls over other officers to come over and view this
tennis shoe it's clearly a child's shoe and they're talking and they wonder how they could have missed this because
they've combed this area all morning long however it's it's just now spotted and they've decided we have to search
this Creek yeah so what happens is talking about chilling right yeah and the police officer you're going we just
found this shoe now we got to go into this water well what's even more chilling yeah somebody has to volunteer
to go into the water mhm because now if anybody has seen pictures of this water it's the best I can describe it is a
Milky like when they show pictures of it from above it just looks milky like you
couldn't you couldn't look deep into the water yeah I mean it kind of looks like
chocolate milk yeah cuz it's it's so muddy too it's very muddy and it's kind of dirty and so uh a very brave man
detective Brian Ridge he decides that he is going to go into the water and see if
he can find any more clothing or maybe worse now what happens is that he gets in the water and what he's got to do
because you can't see into this water you got to feel around he's got to get down on all fours and he's got to kind
of crawl along the bottom and feel out with his hands to see if he can feel anything some of these spots of this
water are going to be 4T deep right 3 to 4T deep so some of it he has to submerge
his whole body in water yeah and the area that they uh are in at the moment is about 2 to 3 foot deep
okay so it's not as deep as the deepest parts but he's going to be able to keep his head above water but his most of his
body is going to be submerged right and his arms are are out in front of him and
he's feeling around and now the bottom of we we should point out that the bottom of this Creek you know like the
captain said the water is very muddy is the best way to describe it and so the bottom of the the the water floor there
is your your feet your knees would kind of stick in it you know you you you get like a suction cup right so he's feeling
around and he's in the water for about 10 to 15 minutes when he feels something and he pulls this object up okay he
pulls this object up up and it is a it's one of the bodies it's it's a body of Michael Moore
and the first thing that he notices is that Michael is nude and that his he's hog tied right it's been referred to as
hog tied but actually he's tied with his right hand tied to his right ankle by a
shoelace and his left hand is tied to his left ankle by a second shoelace and typically the way you'd hog tie somebody
is you would tie their right arm to their left leg behind their back left arm to the the right leg behind their
back and so really if you take your right arm and your right leg and you tie them behind your back there's not a lot
keeping them behind your back you if you struggled enough you probably could cut
loose right yeah and the best way to describe Michael Moore and the way that he's found is that if if you were on
your knees and your feet were behind you and you put your your hands down to grab
your ankles yeah and then tie the ankle to the wrist okay would be the best way to describe
it's a very strange way to find a body it's a it's almost a strange way to tie somebody up too the so that's the first
thing first thing that's noticed is that Michael is nude and that he is tied in that manner and he seems to have been
beaten quite a bit about the head and face area they pull the body out of the water and now detective Brian rid
has to get back down on all fours and continue searching hoping not to find another child right but we have two
other boys missing so they continue their search because if one boy is found in the water it's very likely you might
find the other two in there as well correct so he's crawling along and he again finds another body this time he
pulls up the body and this would end up being identified as the body body of Stevie Branch now he again is nude just
like Michael Moore and he's tied in the same manner as Michael Moore with his right hand to his right ankle and his
left hand to his left ankle and bound by shoelaces now with him they notice that
that there's something a little bit different so again there are lacerations to the face and neck as with what they
quickly saw with Michael Moore however with Stevie Branch it appears that he has either been bit or bitten multiple
times in his face which I mean this is a terribly disturbing image already but it's getting more disturbing as we go
they pull the body out and then again detective Brian Ridge continues to search the
creek he shortly then finds a third body and this would be identified as the body
as Christopher buyers again when he pulls the body up they notice that Christopher is
nude and he he bound the same way exactly he's bound exactly the same way right ankle to right wrist left ankle to
left wrist and when they pull him up he comes up face down and when they turn him over they're even more Disturbed at
what they see it appears that Christopher buers has been castrated they put the the body on the
side of the U of the bank and they continue to search okay so what do they find they
they found the boys all three of them are tied they're all tied with shoelaces right they're all three nude and what
else they would find is that they would find the clothing for these boys what they were able to determine is that
somebody had taken sticks and they had basically anchor the boys into the water and again this water's muddy it's murky
it's milky because all the boys were still underwater you could search the area and not see them right they might
have not have found them for days if it wasn't for that shoe floating and the reason why is they were
all pinned down with these sticks yeah that that anchored them to into the water and there was some speculation
that maybe the STI sticks were even sharpened a couple of them appear that they might have been sharpened some of
them look like they were just broken off and and others look like they may have somebody have taken the time to sharpen
them a bit to to stick them deeper into the mud and keep the bodies in now not only did they anchor down the bodies but
they had also anchored down the clothing that was not on the boys right they wrap
it around the sticks and then put it down in the mud some of the clothing was pinned under sticks some of it was
wrapped around sticks and none of it was visible but they didn't find all three sets of clothes right there
wasn't complete sets of clothes well after they pull all the bodies out after they pull out all the clothing that they
can find they are trying to determine what is missing from the scene now there are a few items that are
missing from the scene there's four they find all the other clothing right however they're missing one sock two
pairs of underwear and and they're also missing the the the penis of Christopher
buers he's been castrated and the best way to describe this castration is that the scrotum has been removed the penis
shaft has been cut and the head of the penis is missing uhhuh and they do not find these items in the water so we
didn't find all the pairs of clothes or the all the items of clothes that you would expect to find
but they're also 8-year-old boys so it's very possible that one of them wasn't wearing underwear maybe didn't have both
socks on we're not really for sure it's a possibility but uh I think most of the
parents believe that they would have been fully dressed the the other thing that uh detectives and that the police
were really kind of fascinated by was the state of some of the clothing they found two pairs of the pants two pairs
of pants that were buttoned and zipped up right but they were completely inside out
which is kind of a strange way to to to have found these items yeah but if you helped you know anybody that has again
dealt with little boys and had raised little boys you'd know that if you if they took off their pants sometimes
they'd pull them off completely inside out and like the button would stay button the zipper would stay zipped yeah
it's not apparent whether that means that they were pulled off of the boys or if the boys had removed them themselves
right the parents of the missing children are near and they are waiting behind the you know the evidence line
the the police tape you know you cannot cross this area and detective gell now he was in charge of the
search so he comes out of the woods after they've located these bodies and he's going to go up to he has the
unfortunate situation where he's got to deliver the message to the parents yeah and you're not just making a phone call
here you're having to tell him face to face and he tells uh Terry Hobbs and Pam Hobs first that yes we found the boys
and and they're deed they're dead and and they appear to have been murdered and Terry Hobbs collapses he you know he
falls over and he's crying and Pam Hobs she faints um at hearing this news gell goes over
and he also discusses the findings with John Mark buers the father of The Stepfather of Christopher buyers and um
yeah he had the unfortunate situation of delivering this news the bodies were found around approximately 1:45 p.m.
they were pulled from the water as we had just said the coroner's office was not called for approximately two hours
so at 3:20 p.m. the coroner's office receives a call from the West Memphis Police Department that stated that they
had found the three boys and that they needed the coroner to come to the Blue Beacon TR Truck Wash to pick up the
bodies yeah and protocol I guess is if you find bodies in water that sometimes you want the corner to be the ones to
take the bodies out of the water yeah in in this situation two there's something
else going on here okay so it's May it's an Arkansas for people that aren't familiar with the United States Arkansas
can be a warmer State especially in the month of May uh the the approximate temperature of the water was suspected
to be 60° which would be better to maintain whatever evidence or whatever you could with the body and once they
pulled them out you know they start decomposing right away they start decomposing faster right and the the
temperature that day in the woods was approximately 80° so we're talking a 20° difference and you got bugs insects and
and all kind of things and the coroner shows up about 2 hours after the first bodies pulled out of the water to
retrieve the bodies and maybe any evidence that would go along with those bodies now because the wood is the woods
is so dense you know you couldn't you couldn't drive a vehicle into the woods so what they had to do was they they had
a hearse and the hearse pulled up to that Blue Beacon Truck Wash uhhuh and they had to back in up to the tree line
and the officers wrapped the bodies along with the coroners approval they wrapped the bodies in a sheet placed
them in body bags individual body bags and they carry them out carried them out of the woods a police officer yeah these
these police officers are are beaten down mentally physically emotionally it's hot
out they're sweating and some of them well all of them are seeing some of the worst sites that they will ever see in
their careers or their lifetime after having found the bodies finding the clothing police and law enforcement
found the two missing bicycles as well well there should be maybe three yeah we should report here and we'll get more
what we're going to do is episode 2 we're going to get way into the families and way into their movements and what
was going on in the neighborhood at the time of The Disappearance but part of that is that Christopher buers was not
on a bicycle the other two boys were on bicycles Christopher buers started off that afternoon that evening on a
skateboard and at some point he ended up doubling up on a bicycle with one of the
other boys typically what would happen CU she couldn't keep up on the on the skateboard so you just be like I'm going
to ride with you tandem the boys bodies are found in the water in the woods and the bikes are found the two bikes are
found in the water in the woods as well how far away from the bodies do you know
I believe it was approximately 50 ft or so um so it's pretty good distance yeah well it's hard to it's hard to say I
believe because you know looking at the map is that 50 foot by water is that 50 foot by Woods is it 50 foot by a trail
you know what I mean I I don't know exactly well 50 feet or is 50 feet whether you're in water or you're on
land right 50 foot is exactly it it is 50 foot is an exact Mark but what I'm getting at is how was that determined by
law enforcement because because where the bikes were positioned in comparison to the bodies you could get you could
one could argue you might be able to get to them faster via water than you would
quicker that'd be closer if you're actually in the water and and it wouldn't be significant but I just
wonder about that investigator gell he has to now talk to the media right so not only do we have the victim's
families and neighborhood people standing around outside of the crime scene tape waiting to hear if they found
the bodies but we also have the news media because by this point Not only was this the biggest case in the city this
was the biggest case in the state and arguably in the nation we had had three boys that were seen together the night
before all have gone missing they're reported missing in the state of Arkansas the next morning on the news as
well as other outlets as well so now people are starting to flock to the area and try to figure out what's going on
with this investigation they find the bodies gell has to deliver the disturbing news to the parents and now
he has to address the media yeah so he addresses the media and he's pretty vague on what they have found basically
he's saying we found well it's an open case so why would you just say hey we got all this evidence we we found the
boys we don't know much at this time we we are investigating All Leads what was once a missing person's case this is now
a homicide case the only the only thing he could say for certain was because how
the bodies were found it was obvious that this was a homicide Multiple homicide so gel rounds up his men and
and there's some talk between him and the state police agency the state police agency wants to know does Gary gitchell
want to have assistance from the state police he says no this is a local matter and we're going to handle this here we
thank you for your assistance in the search which I think is just arrogant and I think at this moment you humble
yourself and you take any assistance you can get and you use all the resources you can well arrogant or not this would
come back to bite gell and the investigation in the ass and it's not gel's fault this would end up being the
fault of the State Police agency what gel wanted to do was he wanted he wanted to not release any information on how
the bodies were tied or the damage that he visibly saw right away right to the private
parts right so we we don't want the media we don't want the the the general population to know how they were tied we
don't want them to know about the castration we don't want them to know about the potential bite marks on Stevie
Branch's face right we don't want them to know much about this other than this is a homicide investigation the reason
being and and gitchell's absolutely right is that when we are eventually going to be questioning people regarding
the regarding the potential abduction and the murders of these boys mhm now now we need to hold to our vest how they
were killed and what was done to the bodies so that when we are questioning these suspects we can eliminate who
knows what's going on and what who doesn't know what's going on well and it's a possible castration and it's a
possible bites to the face well this this plan of gel's which I thought was decent was a good good plan was foiled
from the beginning because what ended up happening was later that night on on May
6th the reporters from the Memphis Commercial Appeal that's the local newspaper or the area newspaper they
were using the newsroom's police scanner and by using that police scanner they overheard they picked up a broadcast
from the Arkansas State Police which contained details not released to the Press by gell so the next day the front
day the the front page of the news the next day contained details about the murders and it stated things about how
the bodies were found how the boys were tied and that all three were sexually mutilated right which was technically
incorrectly reported right uh but they got these details from that broadcast well that puts a big problem
in gel's plan because now he cannot use that information to to decipher who is who could be involved and who is just
somebody that that that's being thrown under the bus or somebody sometimes we've seen captain that people false
confessions yeah or they inject themselves into an investigation yeah um so now now we got some problems here
from from the get-go of this investigation gell would round up his men and they were going under a strategy
mhm it was kind of a three-pronged approach Ro to the investigation that the murders of these
three boys were either a by somebody that knew the boys knew one or all of the boys B by somebody that didn't know any
of the boys someone unknown to the families and the boys right or C that it was it was a murders carried out by a
gang or maybe a cult by a group of people right so that was their going that was going to be their strategy we
are going to investigate the triple homicide using these three aspects of the case that it was either somebody
they knew somebody they didn't know or it was a gang of people cuz at this time the evidence isn't given them any leads
the only evidence that they had at this point was that one of the officers had pointed out to the investigators that he
thought that the way that the boys were Tau side was very similar to the way that uh that US soldiers that were
captured in the Vietnam War were tied by the by the vietcom because they'd have them bend
down and then theye one hand to one one ankle one hand to the other ankle and it
it was kind again this is not this is not a way that you typically find people when you find these victims of these
crimes right and so it was pointed out that this could have been maybe the wor of a Vietnam vet that somebody that
would have seen this before and maybe for whatever reason is using that tactic so their first lead that they end up
using and that they end up going off of is that they start searching the local and area hospitals now what they were
looking to find is a former Vietnam vet right who's been checked into the hospital that is suffering from injuries
to his penis because they believe all of the boys to have been sexually molested
or sexually assaulted at the time of their deaths that's what they believe but they don't have proof of that
correct they're just going off of what they've seen between the time that the bodies were pulled from the water and
carried away by the coroner right in the weeks that immediately followed the murders the police department submitted
hundreds of items to the criminal invest to the evidence lab to the crime lab for
evaluation among these items were 18 knives Three Wooden sticks one tire Bly that's the uh
you know with the the truck drivers come out with the little the small billy club
and they thump the tires uhhuh so one tire bellly did you how many knives did you say 18 knives Jesus Three Wooden
sticks one tire bellly one ice axx three hammers one hook a rope hair sand from 41 people blood and urine samples from
11 people M footprint Impressions shoes a box of clothing and a mason jar full of water now these are not all items
that are found at the crime scene these are items that were collected through talking with people some of these items
were found at the crime scene and these were items that were sent within the within several weeks of their
investigation to the crime lab mhm the crime lab would come out the coroner and the crime lab would come out and
give gell and his officers and his investigators some information give them a bunch of high fives this information
that is given to the investig investigators after examining the shoestring bindings right they found
that the knots that were used on Christopher and Michael were all of the same okay so let's think about this real
quickly we have six knots mhm each boy is tied twice with two shoelaces so of those six knots four of
them are the exact same knot Christopher and Michael are all tied using the same
knots right the knots on Stevie it doesn't State what kind of KN knot that is no okay the knots on Stevie Branch
were different from each other and dissimilar to each other knot that was used in the crime so what
we're saying here is four of the same and then two that are different from all those other twoo and different
from one another so I'm going to break those down we're going to call those knots colors okay so we got four knots
that are the color blue mhm then we have one knot that's the color red mhm and we
have another knot that's the color green yes exactly so that's basically cuz you
start doing four knots it gets a little confusing yeah six knots four the same and two that are completely different
which is weird so we have two boys that are tied up the exact same with four knots and we have one boy that's tied
completely different using again shoelaces but for whatever reason his two knots don't match any of the others
which as a detective starts making you it kind of points into the direction that there's possibly more than one
attacker there's one more more than one murderer so we got that list of three people that you know things that we're
looking at and possibly a group of people yeah that's the first thing it would make you think that there's a
group of people the other thing that's that should be pointed out here is sometimes when one perpetrator or if
perpetrators are outnumbered they may have the victims tie each other up yeah control tactic yeah so maybe Stevie
Branch was tied up by one or more of the other victims M or maybe he was tied up
by a different asant completely we we don't know we'll get into that the other thing that they found was that they said
that we found skin and possibly cuticles in one of the legates and that they said there's a
strong chance that this skin is not that of any of the three boys they also found a fragment of
negroid hair that was found in the sheet that was wrapped around Christopher buyer's body is that how it's reported
you mean African-American hair yeah I would say African-American hair but it's it's a medical examiners report okay
that's the report they use the word negroid hair now so remember we said that the boys after being pulled out of
the water they were wrapped in a sheet and then they were placed in the body bags and transferred to be examined now
what they're saying is we didn't find we don't we didn't find the fragment of this hair on the body per se we found it
in the sheet that the body was wrapped in right so it's it it's possible that has nothing to do with the case at all
but it's also evidence and it's something that's there possibly for a good reason mhm on May 26th
1993 this is 20 days after the bodies were found the lead investigator gell he has not received the autopsy reports at
this time mhm he's frustrated he's trying to carry out this investigation they need leads this case is starting to
go C I know that so he sends a letter to the crime lab he's desperate and in this
letter he raises several questions and he wants to know the crime Labs finding findings to the following questions
first question is what were the times of death yeah what were the causes of death
mhm could he get a diagram of the wounds found on the boys he also wanted to know
had any tears blood or punctures been found in the clothing of the boys he wanted to know if a stick so so
he wanted to know he wanted to know that because he wanted to know if they were attacked before they were
disrobed yeah and we'll get to this later into in the next episode right but there were some a big freaking case
there were some stab wounds there were some marks on these boys bodies right what he's trying to determine exactly
what you said were they nude at the time that these injuries were inflicted or were they still
clothed he also wanted to know if a stick that they had sent to the crime lab had been used to beat any of the
children had the crime lab found anything that would indicate the involvement of a black
male remember they F found that negroid fragment of hair well they also have the
guy from Bojangles the tall thin black man with the yellow teeth and the writing on his oh oh I'm talking about
Aaron Hutchinson report no right but I think we can kind of dismiss that report a little bit but we got the individual
at Bojangles he also wanted to know if there was any evidence that the boys had been forced to perform oral sex he
wanted to know if maybe they had been sodomized now here's the other thing though this was the big question that
he' left for the end of his letter mhm there was a closely guarded secret that the department was keeping close to the
vest all right the the doctor that had performed the autopsy this is Dr Frank Paretti he performed the oopsy and he he
mentioned now he now you see him in Paradise Lost MH you do he he took he took the St funny like this and he he
had mentioned kind of off the record that urine might have been found in the stomachs of two of the boys but he would
have said this he was there was possible Ur found in their stomachs well he had asked the police mhm if they would
gather a gather water samples and submit them to the crime lab because he wanted
to determine you know we we need to make a determination this is the doctor was this urine in the stomachs or was the or
or was this just the Creek Water right but this is the doctor he said that to police yes he said please submit water
samples I find that to be a very intelligent thought that's something I wanted and the police did as such they
collected water samples the the next day and they sent them to the crime lab but
it's a very intelligent Insight I believe I agree but here's the problem there's been 20 days since these bodies
have been found and the lead investigator still has a lot of questions I mean that's a that's a list
because think of about this first of all we I am thinking about this that's what
we do we don't have a time of death no well that's messed up we need a time of death so we can figure out where people
were what they were doing and if they were involved right timeline becomes important how do you know anything aliis
don't matter that much they don't help you or hurt you if you don't have a time of death or at least a rough estimate
second of all he wanted to know which kid if they could deter termin so was killed first which would possibly give
you some leads on possibly which which victim would know somebody that would know that victim well here's
the thing yeah there there could be a situation where maybe one of the children were was killed by accident and
the other two were killed to cover that up and if so if you knew who was killed first you could explore that that
possibility that idea but it's a but it's weird that one would die from accident and then they decided to tie up
all three victims yeah yeah it is weird but but it's also weird to then have an accidental death and then have two
murders after the accidental death yeah he wanted to know which kid was killed first and the following the the last
question that he had for the crime lab was were any of the kids dragged like their bodies dragged yeah
meaning Maybe they weren't killed at the scene because because you have three possibilities right you they're either
killed in the water they're killed in the woods or they're killed somewhere else mhm you know and if they were
killed elsewhere and only one person committed this crime you would think that they would have to drag them
because again the coroner couldn't even get their vehicle into the woods to retrieve the bodies you could take them
one at a time I mean all the victims are 50 to 60 lbs so that's it's not no it's not impossible to take them one
at a time but but if they could show clear signs that they were dragged then maybe maybe that would point that this
was definitely T had taken place elsewhere because remember yeah but also I think it puts some indication on how
many people because if there is no drag marks then you they're either carried one at a time or they're carried by
several people well and we should point out that the police beli that there was a lack of blood found at the crime scene
found where and near where the boys bodies were found mhm this would indicate that maybe the crime was
carried out elsewhere yeah and if you look at that what do they call that when they take the pictures with the blood
blood splatter the the blood spatter yeah but it's um but that's kind they use the luminol yeah yeah when you look
at the aluminol pictures there it doesn't look like a ton to me but then the problem is blood does soak into the
ground yeah and you have a water source very close by right which I think would then that would be the argument
that maybe there was more blood but it got washed away and again gel's still not received the autopsy report so he
doesn't clearly know how the boys had died but I'm assuming using his experience that it's probably you know
and he's a smart guy it's probably pretty obvious that at least Christopher buers may have bled to death because of
the castration right which would be roughly about five pints of blood and you would expect to find a lot of that
blood at the actual crime scene yeah but see that that's where I wonderer about the time of death because if the death
happened earlier on the 5th then like I said if it's soaking into the ground how
much of that is not coming up on the luminol pictures yeah yeah a lot of questions
here one could only wonder and and but I think wait hold on but I think your point is is not only are we coming up
with questions right now but this detective had a ton of questions and he's hoping to get the answers well yeah
not only that here's what's going on at this point in the case the the investigators and the officers they're
combing the area they're canvasing the scene they're going around the neighborhood and they're asking
questions door too well they can't figure out who to eliminate or who to believe because they don't know what the
actual situation is all they can go off of is what they observed when the bodies
were pulled from the water we've gone through the events from Wednesday evening we' gone through the search for
the boys Thursday morning and until the early afternoon noon of when they found the bodies and their immediate
observations when they found the bodies well I mean we're also talking a little bit about what happened 20 Days Later
looking for these answers from the crime lab yeah and that's just to point out how how they were kind of dragging their
feet when they're waiting for these answers and and hoping to get leads yeah because they don't got a lot to go off
of right now nope nope not much at all just what they observed when they pulled the bodies from the water they have the
fragment fragment of hair uh that they've heard about and how the boys were tied up yeah this is suspicious
individual in Bojangles and we got and we got some family members we need to look into and yeah you're exactly right
and we got this weird Community I don't want to say weird but it's a community that seems like it's down on their luck
a little bit and we have gel's statement where he is saying that we are looking for
somebody that either knows one or all of the boys or two we're looking for someone that didn't know any of the boys
possibly a group or possibly a gang or a cult and this is how we're going to investigate this well and this this area
too is very religious so I wonder if that's the Bible Belt yeah and you you'll hear you'll hear phrases like uh
satanic Panic yeah so next week what we're going to have to explore are those three different areas that gell was
looking into I thought this was the finale well unfortunately we picked a case that's too big for one show so good
for you good for us we'll be back again next week to discuss the West bhis 3 more in more detail and what we're going
to look at next week we're going to look at the family members we're going to look at their movements the family
members of the victims their movements their timeline on the 5th and on the 6th of May we're going to determine if any
of those people are potentially involved in this case we're going to look at unknown persons and we're also going to
start to explore that third element that gang and cult aspect of the case that gell was
was pressing all right so I guess it's we're not wrapping up the season for at least another week no so thank you for
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Part 1 - Robinhood Hills Murders

May 5, 1993 between the hours of 8pm and 10pm three sets of parents called police and each reported their son to be missing. It was quickly determined the three 8 year old boys were last seen together and they may have wondered into the woods on the edge of the neighborhood. The following afternoon police pulled the three dead boys from a drainage ditch located in the Robinhood Hills woods. The findings and investigation would be the subject of many books and movies to come.

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the West Memphis Three case, detailing the murder of three boys and the investigation that followed.

Key points

Brutal Murders of Three Boys. Three young boys were found murdered in West Memphis, sparking outrage and fear.
A Different Approach to the Case. The hosts aim to examine the case without preconceived notions of guilt.
Search for Missing Boys Intensifies. Families and law enforcement search desperately for three missing boys, but hope fades as night falls.
Vicky Hutchinson's Interview. Vicky Hutchinson arrives at the police station for an interview regarding a credit card fraud case.
Bodies of the Boys Found. In a chilling discovery, the bodies of the three missing boys are found in a creek.
Disturbing Details of the Discovery. Detective Ridge uncovers the bodies of the boys, revealing shocking details about their condition.

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