Unsolved Mysteries with Robert Stack - Season 4, Episode 23 - Full Episode | Forensic Files

this program is about unsolved mysteries whenever possible the actual family members and police officials have
participated in recreating the events what you are about to see is not a news broadcast tonight a special edition of
unsolved mysteries in the summer of 1991 31 year-old Jeffrey Dahmer confessed to
the unprovoked murders of 17 young men neighbors and co-workers a describe Dahmer as a quiet loner were shocked by
the revelations in the 1980s banking executives siphoned billions from the nation's SNL's savings were devoted to
fraudulent land schemes luxury cars and yachts prostitutes and political slush funds the rest of us will be repaying
the debt well into the next century Iraqi president Saddam Hussein murdered thousands of rivals and his rise to
power those soundly defeated by Operation Desert Storm he has really to threaten world stability the central
characters in these seemingly unrelated events share one disturbing trait a cunning mind unrestrained by conscience
some call them Psychopaths others call them sociopaths we call them diabolical lines
motherhood is above suspicion unquestioned sacred so no one was surprised when Marie Hilley resolutely
nursed her family through a series of debilitating illnesses nobody had any idea that Marie Hilley
was poisoning her own family from his prison cell convicted murderer G Daniel Walker
terrorized a deputy district attorney who prosecuted him our exclusive interview with Walker paints a chilling
portrait of the diabolical mind in June 1989 a mother and her two daughters were
sexually assaulted then dumped still alive in to Tampa Bay perhaps you can help identify the killer who authorities
believe that continued to rape and murder tonight in a special presentation we will explore the mysteries of a
frightening phenomenon the mysteries of the diabolical mind join me [Applause] [Music]
the words diabolical in Psychopaths bring to mind the lured villains from horror movies out of control glassy eyed
unkempt maniacs real-life Psychopaths bear little resemblance to these movie madmen they hold jobs shop for groceries
and appear no difference in the rest of us most of the time only the minority of
psychopaths are actually violent there are people who have Vice presence of corporations who step over the
competition who's backstabbing is only figurative one of the social dangers that
psychopathic individuals perpetuate is that often times especially if they're brighter than average or perhaps very
intelligent that they can fool individuals into believing that they are quite sincere and are being quite honest
even Psychopaths who murder such as serial killer John Wayne Gacy might stand next to you in line at the post
office without drawing your attention John Wayne Gacy is an interesting case in Chicago and respectable responsible
figure was a clown at children's parties and active in the political party of his
time photographed with the president the president's wife but all the while this
was going on he was systematically luring into his house and hideously torturing and killing young men and then
burying him in under his under his home Ted Bundy also appeared to be a pillar of society at various times before his
arrest and execution he was a counselor on a rape crisis hotline a campaign aide
to Washington governor Dan Evans and in 1972 Ted Bundy was named mister up-and-coming Republican
two very well-known journalist described Ted Bundy for example as a kind of alien
life-form mimicking the behavior of real human beings a lot of psychopaths don't
just kill individual they're not content with that a lot of psychopaths run countries
I see no fundamental difference between someone like Ted Bundy and someone like Adolf Hitler who simply used very
different techniques for very similar ends that all that mattered to them was control and domination and one in the
one case of an instinct I saluted individual in another of an entire nation and the ruthless annihilation of
millions meant nothing the most destructive Psychopaths are those very few who achieve and hold on to absolute
political power the force of authority combined with a diabolical mind almost inevitably leads to an epic and
horrifying rampage in these rare home movies Adolf Hitler appears no more threatening than a prosperous Bavarian
country gentlemen a friend of dogs and small children and yet Hitler was certainly the most heinous
psychopath of all time what drove Hitler to systematically murders six million Jews and decimate most of Europe one of
the more common prevalent theories today is that there's a lack of bonding between the parent and the child in the
very early years the sociopath grows up feeling unloved out of control and when he grows up he
has intense need for control over other people Hitler's father was 52 years old when Hitler was born many believe his
physical and emotional abuse virtually destroyed his son's self-esteem as an adult Adolf Hitler felt compelled to
subjugate millions to avenge his own deep feelings of inferiority psychopaths kill because that is the ultimate act of
humiliation and dominance that shows their total power and control over another human being is the ultimate
achievement of their psychopathic dreams [Music] amidst the wreckage and misery that he
unleashed on Europe Hitler displayed the psycho-pass most chilling trait a total absence of
empathy for his victims for the psychopath the world is a smorgasbord from which he can select whatever food
he wants to eat there's no reciprocity there's no empathy for who he victimizes it is
something that he intentionally does and it's choices that he makes day in and day out as to who he will manipulate
more recently Iraqi president Saddam Hussein ordered the invasion of Kuwait the latest episode in a political career
marked by bloodletting and treachery Saddam has an extremely dangerous personality but he is not crazy in the
sense of being committed to a mental institution this is the kind of person in a court of law who would not be
considered not guilty by reason of insanity but the recommendation of the examining psychiatrist would undoubtedly
be to throw away the key Saddam Hussein grew up in an impoverished almost medieval village
that lacked electricity and running water he was frequently beaten by his stepfather kept out of school and forced
to help support his family by stealing chickens and sheep like Hitler Hussein exploited a turbulent political climate
to legitimize his personal need to dominate and control others along the way what he learned and what was
reinforced regularly was that violence is the key to power during the 1960s and 70s Hussein
methodically eliminated political rivals torturing and murdering thousands by July of 1979 Hussein inspired so much
fear that he was able to gain the presidency simply by asking for it within days Hussein summoned his leading
supporters to a meeting where he charged a number of potential rivals with treason this crude video footage was
smuggled out of Iraq and shows several of the accused being led from the meeting after the meeting
Hussein forced those not identified as conspirators to execute their former colleagues a striking example of the
dangers of criticizing Saddam occurred in 1982 the war with Iran that Saddam had initiated was going very badly and
Saddam decided they had to stop it but by now Khomeini was obsessed with Saddam and said there would be no peace until
Saddam was deposed or stepped down Saddam called a cabinet meeting asked his cabinet what should we do
Khomeini insists I step down to a man of course the cabinet said you must stay on
we need your leadership Saddam then said no no I want your frank candid and creative suggestions his
oxford-educated Minister of Health and dr. Ibrahim took him seriously and made a rather strewed suggestion why he
suggested don't we have you stepped down temporarily Saddam until our goal of peace is established and then you can
resume the presidency as the story is told Saddam thanked him for his candor and
then had him arrested the minister's wife fled with Saddam to return her husband to her he promised her that he
would as best as I can tell the only promise he ever kept the next day he returned her husband to her and a black
canvas bag chopped into pieces with his critics effectively silenced Hussein launched his ill-fated invasion
of Kuwait when he ultimately surrendered Hussein promised to terminate production
of all chemical and nuclear weapons subsequent United Nations inspections confirm that Hussein was lying if one
were to strip world leaders and politicians of narcissistic characters the ranks will be perilously thin
we must always be alert to that fusion between that personal drive for power unconstrained by conscience when it
meets a wounded population that has repetitively over history led to some of the most violent episodes that have
scarred our planet history has shown the political psychopaths will not mellow two wise
magnanimous leaders most like Adolf Hitler perished in the flames a help ignite some like Idi Amin or deposed
live a quiet retirement in exile a few such as Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Union die of old age of their iron grip
still strong the ultimate fate of Saddam Hussein remains a question when we return a case study of a different kind
the female diabolical mind it may not surprise you that 95% of all serial killers and mass murderers are men as
what expert is said if you're looking for a diabolical gender it is the male there are however a few diabolical women
typically the sociopaths conceal their true nature behind a veil of tenderness and warmth Frank and Marie Hilley were
high school sweethearts they were married in 1950 and the life they built together was the envy of friends and
neighbors in Anniston Alabama by 1971 Frank had worked his way up from shipping clerk to supervisor at the
local foundry the helis had two children Carol 11 and Mike 18 aside from her tendency to overspend Bree was a
cheerful and supportive partner by all appearances the perfect wife and mother but appearances deceived I first started
getting sick when I was 18 a lot of stomach problems and I started having those problems about two or three months
after an insurance policy was taken out on me for $25,000 Mike's doctors are unable to diagnose a cure his persistent
stomach ailments curiously once Mike left home for college the symptoms disappear and curiously with Mike away
from home his father developed a mysterious stomach ailment once again doctors are unable to find a
cause or provide a cure at the same time Frank and Marie's marriage was falling apart my father called me one day and
had something he wanted to talk to me about he had come home from work early one day and had found my mother in bed
with one of her employers I think my father was gonna divorce her I think that was one circumstance that she just
wouldn't allow to happen she placed a high value on prominence and reputation and to go through a divorce would have
destroyed that [Music] within two weeks of confiding in Mike Frank Kelly's mysterious disorders
suddenly worsened Frank was admitted to the local hospital Marie rarely left his
side tenderly feeding and caring for him [Applause] [Music] I remember thinking to myself maybe this
is the catalyst that will put them back together she talked maybe his illness will bring them closer together Frank
I'm here for you and together we are going to make it Frank Kelly died on May 25th 1975 the official cause of death
was hepatitis nobody suspected the truth it's important understand is that these
people who seem so loving love in a very odd way the sociopaths will love you for
what you do for them not from who you are and what you are whenever you become no longer necessary to their lives they
will throw you away and if it has to be through murder so be it Marie spent little time mourning for her husband the
proceeds from Frank's life-insurance total more than thirty thousand dollars Marie quickly refurnished her house
bought a new car and draped herself in expensive jewels and fashions when the money ran out
Marie kept spending we became aware that Marie was having financial problems there were various businesses filing
complaints on her for insufficient checks that she had written to cover various purchases there were some deals
with automobiles as she had made that fell through and weren't paid for just a lot of little things that began to add
up to flag our attention she owed more than she had she couldn't pay her bills my mother's finances were in terrible
shape I began to receive phone calls from creditors wanting the money so she was getting all of these things with the
promise to her creditors that I would pay for them four years after her father's death
18 year old Carol Hill he suddenly became sick nobody thought to connect her illness to Marie's financial
problems but nobody knew that Marie had insured Carol's life for $25,000 during the time
that everyone was getting sick I think the time between those illnesses were was sufficient enough not to cause
anybody to question what was going on however in each individual case I think someone relative and the family
suspected that something was going on and like me later on something is but what shortly after Carol became ill Mike
returned to Aniston to confront Marie about her overspending no we are going to cash in daddy stocks so that you can
pay me the money that you owe me all the money I have in the world and I will not
spend it the creditors are calling me three times a day Mike was now living in Florida he had a
wife and young baby of his own and Marie's appetite for expensive possessions threatened his family
[Music] I said if I have to pick you up and physically put you in the car we're going to the bank there are no
questions right after breakfast which she cooked I got about as sick as I ever been in my
life [Music] Mike recovered quickly and returned to Florida but Carol's condition steadily
worsened I talked to my friend Ellen who's the registered nurse and she said they have this new medicine in her
clinic that she thinks might help you Carol was in and out of the hospital for six months and finally became paralyzed
from the waist down still doctors were unable to diagnose her illness I'll give you some carol became increasingly
sicker and weaker although I didn't see her at that time I only heard from my mother and my aunt okay sweetie this is
gonna sting a little bit I remember my aunt telling me that my mother had Carol and seclusion wouldn't let anybody see
her would not let anyone talk to her and if something didn't happen Carol was gonna die
dude when we find a woman who is a sociopath we find an individual who leads a double life who fools and
manipulates family and friends no one suspects in fact she's often the last person you'd suspect at all well how can
I help you detective on September 20th 1979 Murray's facade of innocence began to fracture on at the hospital tending
Carole Murray was arrested for passing bad checks Anacin police didn't realize that the arrests probably saved Carol's
life one of Carol's friends at that time told me that she had visited Carol that
day and Carol had mentioned something about injections that my mother had given her I just look straight ahead for
me would you mm-hmm that's good Mike demanded that the hospital staff re-examined Carol how'd
you sleep last night okay doctors checked for a telltale sign of arsenic poisoning
unmistakable white lines across the fingernails the world as I knew it at that point just fell apart everything
that I had been taught to rely on was totally in question everything that my mother had taught me right from wrong I
had to go back and re-examine Mike Hill he was forced to confront the unspeakable his mother probably murdered
his [Music] [Applause] in October of 1979 at Mike's request and surprisingly with Maurice permission
frank hilley's body was exhumed for a second autopsy Oh Marie quietly slipped out of town
three weeks before the autopsy results were released the revised cause of death arsenic poisoning On January 11th 1980
an arrest warrant was issued charging Marie with the murder of her husband but by then Marie Hilley had disappeared at
about the same time 700 miles from Anniston a romance blossomed in Fort Lauderdale Florida Marie Haley had
resurfaced flaunting a new identity Robbie Henin John John Holman recently arrived from New Hampshire was pleased
to meet her so Robbie right mm-hmm what brings you to sunny Florida oh just wanted to take a little vacation get
away from the past and that where you from Robbie told John she was a widow and was
soon to inherit a vast estate married she also revealed she had a life-threatening brain cancer
about Mabel how about you that's not much tell him afraid sociopaths tend to be very good actors they know how to
play the script of life and they know how to capitalize upon the needs and vulnerabilities of others yeah Ravi
Hannon character was skillfully and deliberately created she was attractive she was available she was going to be
rich and she might die sometime in the future the possibilities seemed endless Robbie and John were married in May of
1981 she found work as a secretary and was welcomed into the quiet social fabric of Marlowe New Hampshire John
Holman good to see you again thank you and who do we have here pastor I'd like for you to meet my wife
Robby home very pleased to meet you Robby well the pleasure is all mine pastor by
all accounts John and Robby shared a quiet and contented marriage then in September of 1980 - Robby informed John
that her brain cancer had worsened she flew alone to Texas for a special medical tests John Holman never saw
Robbie again he got a call sometime later from an individual who identified herself as Robby Hannah's twin sister
Terry Martin she also advised mr. Holman that Robbie had died and the body had been donated to science and all the
arrangements had been made so there was nothing for him to do several weeks later Terry Martin
Robbie's sister came to New Hampshire she brought an emotional farewell that her Robbie had written to John just
before she died Terry you must be John I'm Terry Martin Robbie's sister sorry John I thought you knew we were
twins I guess I knew I had no idea identical twins Marie Hilley had lost 20 pounds dyed her hair blonde and boldly
returned to New Hampshire as her own twin sister John Holman accepted Terry at face value she moved in with him and
they lived together for two months however some of John's neighbors were suspicious and attempted to verify
Terry's story nothing checked out [Music] Marie Hilley was ultimately trapped by
an unlikely coincidence her age and description just happened to match one of the FBI's most wanted fugitives On
January 18th 1983 Terry Martin was taken into custody for questioning after she was picked up they had no idea that she
was actually Marie Haley and that she was wanted in Alabama for murder and attempted to poison her daughter once
she was picked up then they've learned who in fact she really was Marie Hilley was setlist to life plus 20 years in the
winter of 1987 she escaped from prison only to die seven days later from prolonged exposure to the cold Marie
Hilley was 53 years old other had a lot of charisma and charm and she knew how to use that she had the
ability to make you believe what she was saying even if you knew that it was an outright lie she had the ability to make
you believe that you were the most important thing in her life and that could have been the furthest thing from
the truth what inner forces polluted Murray Haley's natural bonds with her husband
and children how could a wife and mother regard her own family members as little
more than economic resources to be exploited like so many diabolical personalities
Marie Hilley remains a mystery when we return disturbing face to face confrontation of
the diabolical mind an interview with convicted murderer G Daniel Walker how long has he wrapped I would think the
current one would probably be about 29 to 30 pages and 130 pages Charles Manson's over five movie which is to
kill it words collections of letters some bearing an emotional charge others as neutral as air perhaps providing a
window to the inner workings of the diabolical mind I do Steve Farragut remember the instructions based on test
responses to emotional and non emotional words dr. Robert hare in Canada believes
that this normal subject can be distinguished from a psychopath sensitive electronic instruments show
that a normal person responds faster to emotionally charged words than two words
that are neutral but psychopaths do not make this distinction back dr. hare believes this may help explain why
psychopaths don't have a conscience most people talk about conscience in terms of
something like an inner voice talking to oneself I shouldn't do that you know and
mommy said I shouldn't do it I shouldn't do it and after a while becomes sort of
automatic we do that we refer to that as conscience I would say that the psychopath probably doesn't have the
same sort of inner voice that most people have it may be that the language process is or the ability of language
actually control behavior is different in the Psychopaths than it is another piece
dr. hares experiment is just one attempt to unravel the most vexing mystery of the diabolical mind are certain people
born as Psychopaths or do they become Psychopaths if I were to cast my vote in one direction or the other I'd probably
say that there's more likely they're born not made I think that there are fairly strong genetic contributions to
all personality traits including the personality traits that make up psychopathy I think it's pretty clear
that while people may have a inherited susceptibility to certain kinds of violent crimes that individuals who go
on to produce these kinds of abominable crimes are created they're shaped by their families they're shaped by their
societies they model the culture heroes and in their civilization and they go on
to commit these abominable acts experts are still years away from understanding the mind of the psychopath for a
close-up look at the baffling enigma such a personality unsolved mysteries travel to Northern California to
interview convicted murderer G Daniel Walker while he is not a serial killer Walker is without doubt a diabolical
mind at the time of the interview G Daniel Walker was probably the only prisoner in
California with his own courthouse workspace including a computer privileges resulting from a lawsuit
against a state prison system over a three-year period Walker was driven several times a week
to the Alameda County Courthouse where he prepared still more lawsuits against judges district attorneys journalists
and corrections officials he is almost as much trouble inside prison as out Walker projects a Boyett confident
manner this amiable posture belies the fraud armed robberies and murder which have kept him institutionalized for most
of the past 35 years G Daniel Walker served time in the late 1960s for armed robbery in the attempted murder of an
Illinois policeman in 1972 he escaped three months later he was arrested in California for the murder of advertising
executive William Ashlock after the king Walker allegedly raped Ashe Locke's fiancee all the while proclaiming his
love for her he then terrorized her into helping him cover up the crime Walker defended himself in court
claiming Ashlock was a victim of a mafia hit squad Walker insisted that he had only helped
to cover up the murder to protect Ashe Locke's fiancee he lost his case and received a sentence
of 17 years to life in prison while Walker insists he is innocent of the murder charge the openly boasts of
having committed more than 300 other crimes for which he has neither been charged nor tried do you feel that you
are pretty much by the system where you belong from the standpoint of yes yes I am convicted of murder I've always
denied that I was the one that did the actual shooting in Epicure case but I've taken a witness stand
Walker was interviewed by former FBI criminal profiler Robert Ressler in concealing the crime and given the same
set of facts I would do it again how long is your rap sheet I would think the current one would probably be about
29 to 30 pages sometimes 30 page you know Charles Manson's is only five well he was just a killer but yeah at the
same time I've heard you say that you're your criminal record your rap sheet your
FBI record whatever does not certainly hold all that you have done definitely not know the body of work of you know
the criminal enterprise has been much greater and let's hope that I've been successful in something see you're
meeting a failed criminal right now and you're very happy to be meeting me as a failed criminal because your medium is a
successful criminal it means that I'd have the gun pointed at you and you would suddenly have this person like him
can be extremely dangerous he doesn't buy our system he does not buy our our society's rules as we establish them and
again that's a mark of a psychopath or sociopath it's a test that they make their own rules in life you have had so
many opportunities to stay out of Gale and yet you keep coming back in well then again you see prison is not being
successful and just because you're in prison doesn't mean you can't be successful I think solsa Nissen said the
greatest freedom that a man enjoys is being in prison because it feeds you breakfast in the morning you can go out
and kill one of your cellmates and it'll still feed you lunch and give you sheets
for your bed and evening the psychopathic individual will use several different defenses one of those is
rationalization he will come up with very elaborate explanations that when thought about very carefully make no
sense institutions are not unsatisfying you got to remember I don't have to go out and kill any cows they're
gonna do all that for me I don't have to go out and cook any meals and I never wash any dishes they're gonna do all
those things for me so the institution becomes a wife by nature they're going to wash my dirty socks for me they're
going to do all of the things that I don't necessarily like to do so if that's becoming institutionalized I'm
happily married if you had the option would you leave I've had the option to escape I have escaped as you know juries
have tried me and never found me guilty of escape I've always represented myself
in those cases there is a certain excitement when you have escaped from a major penitentiary and you know that the
red lights are right behind you you know the sirens are going there is a certain
excitement that you just it's better than sex so yes there is that possibility that there may be a 14th
escape you know I've heard that before oh it's it's exciting the excitement is is a high factor in in maintaining a
life the way you have and oftentimes you'll find that the people are pursuing you will lose the sense so you have to
go back and show them no no you've got to turn this way fellows you know they keep the chase going and I've done it
they will draw the interview into what we call a narcissistic twinship where they will try to do things to show in
what ways they are similar to the interviewer and often times the interviewer is both flattered and caught
off guard you know the minute you have taken down a perpetrator and you've taken them down that you guys get
together and give the high fly and say well that was a great job you know well the criminals do the same thing the
minute that you've outwitted if you get together give the high-fives oh we got over on them are you saying there's a
there's just a fine line between you and I have been very fine lying and you know
it do you have any true feelings of remorse well I would have to say take a different tangent on that do I have
remorse for the things that put me there we have to remember that the crime that
I'm in prison for I defended myself so I'm the one that lost that case so I have remorse that I didn't handle like
case in a little different way as far as a psychopathic individual will engage in
a psychology of reversals pain originates and other people problems originate in other people and
responsibility for our behavior is really other people's responsibility do you feel that you are a truly dangerous
person from the standpoint of committing violent acts only if you have done something wrong to me I think what
you're referring to is effect from prison Walker's somehow managed to have a highly toxic poison imported into the
United States a Deputy District Attorney would once prosecuted Walker became terrified that
he might be Walker's target and where it can't be traced so when suddenly the system discovered
that I had 2.2 pounds of poison in the United States they went crazy like what does gee Daniel Walker want with this
poison well the little lady lives in Dubuque Iowa that has an antique collection that has never heard of the
name G Daniel Walker knew that I didn't had that poison for her so she had no concern there were a lot of Deputy
Attorney General's a lot of United States Assistant United States Attorney's that suddenly became very
uncomfortable there were a lot of judges it became uncomfortable and they started
a major investigation they indicted me a to a two count indictment for importing this poison
they spent about a million three hundred thousand dollars working up a prosecution and then they folded their
tent because they found out that I hadn't broken along did you use poison they've never found any sufficient
evidence to charge me with having use it but it certainly caused one Deputy Attorney General in the state of
California to go through his cabinets and take all ingestible items out toothpaste and liquor and finally his
wife said well gee it could be in the carpet so the recarpet of their home and finally they sold a home moved so in
other words creating paranoia in a person can be oftentimes even more insidious and just making verbal threat
it's a better gamesmanship than doing physical violence because fear lives with you 24 hours a day fear never goes
away if you kill somebody that's over or attempt to kill somebody yes or you if you've hurt them you know
and as long as a pain is there that's this but fear is a pain that lives with you forever since 1977 G Daniel Walker
has been denied parole seven times if the state does granting parole on the murder charge Walker still faces a fifty
year term on federal charges stemming from credit card fraud Z committed from inside prison when we returned FBI in
Florida investigators track an elusive diabolical killer [Music] on May 26 1989 Joann Rogers and her
daughters Michelle 17 and Christie 14 left their fireman Wilshire Ohio for a long anticipated vacation in Florida
they visited the zoo in Jacksonville then drove to Kennedy Space Center Disney and the Epcot Center before
arriving in Tampa on June 1st to Thursday there the Rodgers carefree vacation came to a sudden and horrifying
end I knew this both be back maybe on Saturday Sunday maybe a Monday the Tuesday morning I got Google
concerned about it and I called her mom and she hadn't even called her and I knew something that happened then cuz
she's not type don't call I just figured she couldn't get a hold of me and that's
why I think I reported him missing on the same day Hal Rogers expected his family to return home the bodies of
three unidentified women floated to the surface of Tampa Bay each had been bound
with tape weighted with a cinder block and dumped into the bay still alive all three had apparently been sexually
assaulted the victims were Joanne Michelle and Kristi Rogers once again authorities were confronted with a grim
harvest of an unknown psychopathic killer mail serial killers are so difficult to apprehend they kill
strangers unknown motive no crime scene no fingerprints no other physical evidence usually only a dump site and
that is the modus operandi of the male serial killer the murders of joy and Michelle and Kristi were classic
psychopathic killings cunningly conceived and executed without remorse the maddening scarcity of evidence is
limited authorities to assumptions and speculation without a name face of fingerprint police have attempted to
construct the profile of a killer it is at best a slow frustrating process Tampa Bay was the final stop on the
Rogers itinerary before they returned to Ohio Joanne Michele and Christy checked
into their motel around early June first within hours phaeton happenstance brought them in to the range of a
hurricane killer we believe that they were victims of opportunity what that means basically is he surveilled them he
knew that they were the ones that he wanted to approach and he had planned this but it wasn't that much in advance
because the circumstances of their of their travels wouldn't lend to that authorities believe that in order to
bring Joanne and her daughters under his control that killer first had to overcome their natural suspicions
we feel that the offender presented himself in a very non-threatening manner something where he made it enticing or
inviting to them struck up a conversation and that in his physical appearance he was probably pleasing to
look at someone that they felt comfortable with appears to be the car it's a two-door on
Julie 8 the Rogers car was found at a boat ramp near their motel inside was a sinister hint that the women had been
entrapped we found a note in that vehicle that indicated directions for the victims to go to the boat ramp and
to meet someone there with something that's blue / white that would lead us to believe that they went there to meet
a blue and white boat [Music] police are convinced that Joanne Rogers and the two girls were lured to their
deaths probably by the promise of an innocent boat ride and probably by more than one assailant they got on the boat
with this person or these people and at that time I'm sure they felt very safe with them and that was the killer's plan
[Music] he knew what he was gonna do to those victims before they ever got on his boat
we think a person like this will kill again in all probability has killed again however we think that he was
surprised that the bodies surfaced as quickly as they did and in his killing subsequent to this he
will change his manner and his method of disposal of any bodies the psychological
profile of the killer is provided investigated with some insights into this ugly crime but has failed to
pinpoint a specific suspect police have only a few admittedly slim leads that might result in the capture of this
confident and ruthless psychopath a guest at the motel on the day of the Rogers death reported seeing a young
well-groomed white male loading a cooler into a white boat with dark blue racing
stripes the boat was towed by a dark colored Chevy Blazer or Ford Bronco efforts to locate this person have so
far been unsuccessful [Music] [Music] it is easy to feel overwhelmed and frightened by the many faces of the
sociopath the immediacy of television makes us feel as though every murder every horror
is happening right down the block in reality violent Psychopaths an extreme rarity unfortunately few of us
will ever encounter one there is still much to learn about this disturbing phenomenon in terms of identifying it
predicting it and preventing it thank you for joining us and please join us next time for another edition of
unsolved mysteries [Music] [Applause] [Music] you [Music]

Brief Summary

This episode examines the psychology of notorious psychopaths and features chilling true crime cases, including Marie Hilley and G. Daniel Walker.

Key points

The Diabolical Mind. Exploring the chilling traits of psychopaths and their impact on society.
Saddam Hussein's Rise to Power. A look into the ruthless tactics of Saddam Hussein and his dangerous personality.
Marie Hilley's Deception. A mother poisons her family while maintaining a facade of care.
The Mysterious Illnesses. A family's health issues raise suspicions about a mother's true nature.
The Shocking Autopsy Results. A second autopsy reveals the horrifying truth behind Frank Hilley's death.
Marie Hilley's Capture. Marie Hilley was arrested without knowing she was wanted for murder.

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