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Murray, a handsome native, and 12 years ago today, she disappeared just moments after a car crash on Route 112 in Hilt,
New Hampshire. Today in New Hampshire, they will remember Mara and keep her name in the light.
>> Sorry, you guys. I don't know what I could have done. I was out of bed here. The reason I had to listen to other
people. >> Brian Schaefer was last seen at the Ugly Tuna Saloona Bar near Ohio State
University campus between 1:30 and 2:00 a.m. on April 1st, 2006. Amy Mahelvic went missing October 27th,
1989 in Bay Village, Ohio. She was lured by what she thought was a family friend
to a shopping plaza. She >> wasn't the devil. Who was the devil? I I I I Walsh. The mutilated body of a boy is
discovered. Men looking for deer spotted garbage bags near a wooded area on the side of a
country road. One of the men told police, "I thought I saw an elbow sticking out of the bag,
but it turned out to be a leg." Police said the boy's arms had been cut off at the shoulder.
and his torso had been mutilated with a knife. February, >> a woman driving on Highway 98 pulls into
a convenience store parking lot. She parks next to a cargo van and she goes into the store. When she returns to her
vehicle, the van is gone. She notices something in the empty space next to her. It appears to be a Polaroid picture.
>> The West Memphis tree. Damian Heckles. Jason Baldwin. >> Jesse Viskeelli. >> The West Memphis 3.
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>> All right, welcome everybody to the party. >> Yeah, we uh wanted to take a just an
episode and kind of reflect on our show as a whole. We've done 100 of them now, which
>> I think it's really important to pat yourself on the back. >> Yeah. Once in a while.
>> Yeah. every now and then. And plus, we just, you know, a big question that people ask often is, well, well, some I
think the speculation is that that, oh, you get to talk about true crime every week. That must be amazing. It is some
weeks. It is some weeks. Most weeks, I would say, but the thing here is uh one thing I think that people don't get is
that we kind of get eyeballs deep in a new case every week. So, we have about 3 or 4 days to really dive into something
and then as fascinated as we get with some of these cases, we have to move on with our time because we're back here
next week putting out new shows, >> right? More content. >> So, let's take this episode, Captain,
and let's both review what we believe to be our top 10 unsolved cases that we have covered on this show so far. It's a
good chance to kind of reflect on things that we've done and if anybody is late to the party, they can get caught up and
check out some of the old cases that we have covered, ones that are near and dear to our hearts.
>> So, the trailer that you heard earlier was this kind of compilation of all those different cases.
>> Mhm. So, without further ado, Captain, let's count backwards from 10 down to one, and we'll review our top 10
unsolved cases of true crime garage history thus far. >> Is this some kind of weird sobriety
test? So, first up on my list, Captain, I have at number 10, the very strange disappearance of UMass College student
Mara Murray, >> uh, who disappeared in February of 2004. She was 21 years old. This case is over
13 years old now. And it's a very popular case, uh, to say the least. It's been covered by most of the big mystery
type TV shows. Uh it's really and you know and I hate saying this because it's somebody's life that we're talking
about, but it's very much a movie like disappearance in my mind, right? >> Uh you know, when you first look at it,
it's as simple as she leaves her dorm room, she's driving out in the middle of White Hills, New Hampshire, which is
basically the middle of nowhere. Uh she gets in a car accident and then she disappears. And on the surface, that is
what this case looks like. But then when you start peeling back and peeling off the layers, we learn that Mara's
movements are pretty strange before her disappearance. Things also don't seem to
be so bright and shiny with her boyfriend, Billy. Um, we covered this in episodes 29 and 30. Plus, we did we
quite a bit more information on this case in our True Crime Addict uh show, which we did uh episode 31.
>> Yeah. With James Rener. And the the very interesting thing with this case is that
strong opinions. >> Yeah. >> You know what? If you believe this, it's almost like you're on a football team.
You know, like that you believe in the Patriots. And if you believe in the Patriots, then then we can't be friends.
And somebody that, you know, I respect as a interesting author, James Rener, gets a lot of flack for his ideas. I
personally do not agree with his ideas on this case, but but you know, people like they like to shine some hate on
people, >> right, >> based off this case. It's a very interesting case and a very interesting
community around the case. The great thing about this case is that there's so many different theories out there. But
that can be the bad thing, too, because not everybody likes to, you know, when when people sit around and they share
their theories about this case, it's like you said, people have gotten so involved in this thing
>> that they get very opinionated. And when you discuss theories, they're they're
rather trying to convince you than to just join in the conversation. And and me personally, I like to sit down and
hear anybody's theories, and I don't really need them to carry much weight at all. When you have a disappearance as
strange as this, >> I think any theory is worth listening to. And the thing here with her case,
it's it's such a fascinating case because, you know, before she once we learn about her movements, then you
create all these other questions. You know, was this was this a suicide? Was this a a purposeful disappearance? Did
somebody abduct her? Um, you know, the list goes on and on. And to be frank, you know, we know she leaves her dorm
room. We're not even really certain where she was going that night before she disappeared. Yeah. This is a case
that to this day, if somebody sends me a text saying that, you know, here's a new
article about it or here's a new episode of a podcast about Mara Murray's disappearance, I will check it out
probably that day. >> Mhm. So big uh big interest in this case. All right, for my number 10, uh I
have Joey Lee. >> Joey Lee was a kid that went missing and I say kid. >> He was in his 20s,
>> right? And he was >> a young man >> out at a local bar in Columbus, a bar that I've gone to several times called
the Union. Uh he went missing. His body would later be discovered in the Sciota River
>> and uh there was no punctures or anything. and there was no wounds. So, how he actually died, there was an
autopsy done and there's still the investigation is still going on. But, uh, his father actually reached out to
us because we did a, you know, covered his case. >> Uh, Joseph and, um, that just meant a
lot because it meant to me it felt like I was doing something with a purpose. >> Yeah.
And it's also really brings makes us aware of the rest of the world around us. You know, we talk about these
different cases and there are loved ones out there that are that still need answers.
>> You know, they they they absolutely need these answers. >> And the thing is, you know, once in a it
doesn't happen often, but once in a while we will get contacted by a family member that stumbled across our show.
And and I I have to believe that sometimes these people that that you know these victims and their families,
you know, that the there's a big loss in their heart. And I think that sometimes
they wake up some mornings and they may just Google their lost loved ones name and see what comes up. And you know, we
may happen to come up in that search. And you know, it it it really meant a lot that he uh that that his father
reached out to us and kind of gave us a a little bit of a thank you uh for for covering the case. It was a case that
didn't get a whole lot of media attention outside of uh Franklin County, outside of Columbus. Um, it's
>> well and and let's be honest. I mean, normally you have we we have the white girl syndrome, you know, and kind of
like with Mara Murray's case, well, maybe one of the reasons why it's so big and in this case, Joey is he is a white
male, >> but he's homosexual >> and those cases don't get covered as often. >> And the thing too, you know, he was
somewhat a friend of a friend of ours. We didn't know Joey. Uh, we didn't have the privilege of knowing him. Um, but
uh, you know, somebody that is close to us worked with Joey and had nothing but really great things to say about him.
You know, I believe we even talked about it in the episode. You know, when you hear that somebody has disappeared or
something terrible has happened to somebody, you kind of wonder what circles this person may be running in.
And that certainly wasn't the case with Joey Le. He was he was absolutely a victim. Uh, somebody somebody took
advantage of a situation and and ended his life. And you know, we are here in Columbus. This is a story that we're not
going to let go away. And and hopefully the local media stays on top of it as well.
>> Well, and then back to it, you know, the idea that, you know, we spend a lot of
time and energy and effort and and yeah, there's part of the show that is a show.
we kind of have these roles that we play uh you know or kind of not roles that we
play but kind of things that just kind of happen naturally you know I'm the guy that interrupts with some sometimes some
dumbass comments but it's to lighten the mood to you know so when we're dealing with this heavy stuff or whatever but
you put all this time and effort in and sometimes 12-hour days sometimes 15 hour
days and to actually feel like you're doing something that maybe makes difference, you know, it means a lot.
>> Number nine on the Nick list, we have photograph uh episode 37. This is about
the very strange Polaroid photograph that was found in a parking lot in Port St. Joe, Florida back in June of 1989.
A very strange case. Uh the this woman woman finds a photograph of what appears to be a teenage girl and a younger boy
bound and tied up and they look very afraid. The crazy thing is we don't there's nothing more to this photo than
just what you see in the image. And it's a it's a haunting image as well as one that you when you do see it, you will
stare at it and you will try to pick up on little clues trying to identify these
people. Are they actual victims? Are they being held hostage? And for what purpose?
>> Is it a hoax? >> Mhm. >> Right. And I think there's a lot of questions to this one. One, is there a
victim? And and and if there is a victim, then who is the victim? >> And one thing that was pretty neat after
we covered it, you know, we posted the picture and a lot of the listeners checked out the picture, some people
seeing it for the very first time. And some people contacted us with little, you know, little things that they
noticed in the picture that we had not had not noticed and and reported on the show.
>> Yeah. And a lot of dissecting of the t-shirt that the girl wore. >> Yeah. trying to pick up pick up any type
of identifier regarding these these kids and where they may be located, where they may be from.
>> All right, my number nine would be Matrice Richardson. That would be episode 75 and 76. So, when we start
doing the two-parters, >> I think this is a case that could definitely be solved. And I think um
there's a lot of law enforcement involvement and a lot of law enforcement covering up in this case. And I think
with her, you know, strong family uh pushing to the forefront and maybe more people covering this case, I I think
this one is something that could actually be solved and maybe in the next year or so, maybe we'll get an update on
this case. >> Yeah, I I applaud her mother and father for keeping this case active. I think
you and I might have disagreed a little bit on this case. It's extremely fascinating. I have no clue how she
ended up where she did. >> Yeah. Simply this girl goes out to dinner >> Mhm. by herself. They arrest her cuz
she's not going to pay a bill. When they take her into the station, they eventually let her go and uh then she
kind of goes wandering and she's never heard from again. The problem with this is that the mother came out and said,
"Hey, don't let her go, >> right?" >> You know, they were in contact with her family members. So, it just seems like,
you know, law enforcement dropped the ball. >> They they said they wouldn't let her go,
too. >> Yeah. And it does seem like this. This one is very frustrating. And I think it
would be covered a lot more often. I mean, let's just say it's a it's a black victim. I think because she's a black
victim, the case isn't as covered as often as it should be. And the thing, Captain, you and I, we always have law
enforcement's back. We We are, you know, big on backing the people that keep us safe. The thing here is though where I
think we disagreed, you you kind of lean towards the side of some maybe police involvement in her death or
disappearance where I I certainly my thoughts were that that they're just not doing the work that they should do. Uh I
don't know that there's that they're involved in the death. They could be. There's evidence to point to that, but
they certainly aren't I I don't see the effort being made to solve this case, which angers me. Number eight on my
list, I have Tony Muny. Uh his his fulllength name is John Anthony Muny. Uh he was last seen October 15th, 1983.
His body was found shortly after that dismembered out on a country road. Now, this is a case that most people wouldn't
be very familiar with. It's uh not something you can find on the internet very well. Um it was our bonus episode
that we covered. Uh but this case is one that is always in the back of my mind. Um, this is I've been to the location
where the body was found. I've studied maps of of the way that the roads were at the time. Um, he has these files on
it that are super thick. >> This this is a case that to me uh should have been solved there. There certainly
were some good suspects. >> Uh, the crazy thing here is, you know, we have this disappearance and then the
the murder of this boy. And it turns out that we learned that there's some pretty
bad dudes in the area at the time and we covered them in this case. You know, one
one of them, I won't go into all of it because we have just a limited amount of time here today, but one in particular,
we have Timothy Hall, um, who was sentenced to 15 years to life in prison for the murder of an elderly man. And,
uh, this guy is a guy that I kind of keep tabs on because every couple years he comes up for parole. Um, now I'm very
happy to report that at the last parole hearing, uh, that the people, this is what they, this is what they said about
Timothy Hall when they denied him parole. They said that he is the worst of the worst. And he poses a deadly
combination and he possesses a deadly combination of pure evil and insanity. Now, this guy
will be up for parole again in August of 2018. Um, I'm hoping that he is somebody
that they keep behind bars for a very long time because he's an extremely dangerous person. Certainly capable of
having killed Tony Muny. Uh, remember he was the one he became under suspicion because he was the one that was seen in
his cell talking to a person that wasn't there and and calling him John. And it's
it's thought that he was speaking to the ghost of of Tony Muny, his murder victim.
>> Well, and this is one we spent a lot of extra time on. I mean, one all the research that you did for it and then,
>> you know, this was probably an hour and 40 minute episode. This before we're doing any two-parter type things and um
yeah, and then there's multiple trailers in it. It's it's pretty interesting. It's definitely something I'm proud that
we produced. >> It's one of my favorite episodes. >> Number eight for me would be Johnny
Gosh. So, uh I think I feel like a social justice warrior, which I'm not. I'm not. And I I'm not a big fan of
social justice warriors, you know, just saying uh the politically correct thing or or whatever. But the thing that I was
thinking about the Johnny Gosh case is one, I was a paper boy, >> so I have a connection there. You know,
a kid goes out on his paper route, goes missing. There's possibly, you know, uh a sex trafficking ring that's involved.
And but what what I love about this case was his mother, you know, that there's there's a there's a documentary on this
and his mother is really interesting to me and I think she's a different breed. And I think a lot of people didn't cover
this case or not even cover the case, but I think a lot of people start saying, well, yeah, she's a different
breed and she's a very strong female, >> right? >> And therefore people call her crazy. M
>> and I think and I think that's that's the thing that drives me nuts about that's what I I sound like a social
justice warrior is what I sound like. But I think if it was a father doing it, >> it wouldn't have happened that way,
right? >> It wouldn't have been, "Oh, well, this guy's crazy." I think she was uncovering
stuff that people just don't want to hear about. And when they don't want to hear about something like that, they
start using the stupid word conspiracy. >> Oh, well, this is just a conspiracy. She's just a whackadoo. She's not a
wackadoo. She's a strong female that, you know, her son went missing and she's going to fight until her death to try to
figure out what happened. >> Yeah, you you're exactly right. Yeah, some of the things she's done and said
are a little out there to me, but at the same time, you got to keep in mind this
is a person that has dealt with a traumatic thing in her life that none of us can comprehend. The thing that I love
though is that she, like you said, she's going to she's going to fight to the end
to get this thing solved to to try to figure out what happened to young Johnny Gosh,
>> right? And like I said, at the end of the day, if it was the father champion for, you know, the to find out what
happened to his son, people wouldn't be calling him crazy. >> Number seven on my list, I have April
Tinsley. This was way back in episode seven, Captain. Seems like uh quite some time ago.
I'd say it seems like yesterday, but no, it's it feels like it feels like we've been doing this show for 10 years.
>> Yeah. Th this was the young girl that was abducted near her home in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Um and her body was
found on April 1st, 1988. >> Uh you know, just a strange coincidence there. Her name is April. She's found on
the first day of April. Has always been very eerie to me. This is this too is one of those cases that outside of the
lines of Indiana, not a whole lot of people know about this case. And it's it's a terrifyingly fascinating case
because we have we have a killer uh of the worst kind who has gone on to taunt the the neighborhood and taunt the the
public in the um and further terrify the public by leaving notes and threatening
letters and claiming responsibility for the death of April Tinsley. >> Uh this is a case that's always
fascinated me. The thing here too is we got DNA on this guy, >> right? >> Um, so it's a very solvable case. It's
just a matter of finding the right match. >> Well, I think anytime that, you know, a
killer taunts, you know, the the public, it's like what better case to have solved to say, "Hey, we got you."
>> Yeah. >> You know, uh, this one I also think we missed a couple things in this episode.
Well, we were unaware of uh there was some detail about her shoe um that that he had he had taken some of the shoes
and left them elsewhere and to further back up that he was the killer that left those notes, he he kind of reminded them
about the shoes, something that only the killer would know. This guy though, man,
you know, he leaves her body way back in 1988, and then he goes on to leave a note on a barn in 1990, and then in
2004, he's leaving notes in mailboxes of of homes of little girls and leaving a note on the bicycle of a little girl in
the area. This is a This is a very scary person. >> Mhm. So, April Tinsley, that is your
number >> number seven. And that was way back in episode seven. >> Yeah. Coincidence. Number seven for me
will be Kurt Cobain. Uh this was an episode that I was really excited about doing. Um if you go back and listen to
the trailer, I actually uh adapted uh Smells Like Teen Spirit and kind of twisted that around. So if anybody's
interested in that, you can kind of hear the melody kind of faint in there or the
idea of that tune faint in there. Uh inspired by watching Soaked in Bleach. I I thought that was a really fun
documentary. Um, and I was never a huge Nirvana fan. Um, but you know, he became
such an icon. I thought, well, this will be an interesting case. It's fascinating
enough though, it's a case that I feel like we dropped the ball on. >> You know what I mean? Like when when I
look back, you know, I wouldn't tell some if somebody said, "Oh, well, this Kurt Cobain case, should I check that
out?" Nah. Yeah, because I think I think when we went into it, I think one I think your mind was made up on it on
what happened. >> Yeah. >> Or or what the evidence kind of points to. And I just feel like there was this
whole conspiracy side of things. It's not a conspiracy. I mean, here here at the end of the day, this this lady,
this, you know, Courtney Love, she had a lot to, you know, gain >> or to lose if they were to get divorced,
>> right? So anyways, I think there's a lot more to the story. And it's not that it
was like bad than I thought it was like just a garbage episode or anything. It was just it was just the one ones at the
end of the day when we put it out it was like, "Ah, this would be good." And then
a couple weeks later it was like, "Yeah, we could have done a little bit better on that."
>> And I didn't mean to disappoint you, Captain. I I you know, I do think it was
a suicide at the end of the day. However, you know, there's millions of people out there that are saying this
was a murder and and and I'm not going to lie, there were plenty of questionable things out there and there
is some evidence pointing the other direction than what I was thinking. >> Yeah. And I just I think that's the
thing is I think when you have evidence leaning either way, we should I just think we could have done a better job of
presenting the other side of things. >> Number six, I have the Austin yogurt shop murders. uh four teenage girls
killed, all shot. Um two of them were 17, one was 15, one 13. Uh two of them were shop workers. Uh this case is is
extremely intriguing to me. Um I I think that there's there's a lot here. This is
a very famous case in Texas. We covered it in episodes 81 and 82. um discussing some of the serial killers that were in
the area at the time that have fallen to become suspects in this case. >> Um I think you know we also talked about
the the uh four teenage boys that were brought up on charges and the strange confessions that that were that took
place. Um >> yeah, very similar to like a West Memphis 3 type thing. Yeah, these were
very aggressive interrogators uh come up with confessions. Two of the guys end up
getting convicted and then those convictions later get overturned. >> Uh this is an extremely intriguing case.
One that I do think can be solved. The the problem is the evidence because the fire was set. Um but we still have that
question of there were a couple people that went into that shop that night that have not been accounted for. I think
that's where you're going to find your answers. Number six for me will be Emma Filipof. This is a girl that went
missing in Canada. That was episodes 52 and 53. Uh, as we're making the this list, I I find that um missing person
cases really >> seem to be your thing. Yeah, I think it's just the, you know, if somebody,
you know, it's sad if somebody gets murdered, right, and they get taken off this earth, but at least we know that
and we, at least we know that their life ended, there's a start and there was an
end. And I think the fact that somebody just disappeared off the face of this earth, uh, I think that brings up so
much questions. And then you know when I after my divorce um I I dated this very
well not I can't even say it was dates but it's a very similar situation where I start hanging out with somebody that's
very artsy very unique >> and you become kind of infatuated and Emma had a you know people call him a
stalker >> but a guy that was pretty infatuated with her. So, just the whole story uh
seemed a little familiar, but I'm rambling. So, let's get to this right after the beer break.
Do you think that the disappeared cases tap on your brain a little more than the
others because there's so many questions about them? Or is it because there's still that that small hope of of
something good happening at the end that there there could be a positive outcome
that the the person could be found and is happy somewhere. >> I think part of that, but I think it's
just the whatif game. >> I think my my brain likes to play that game. >> All right, number five. I have Brandon
Lawson. uh episodes 8586. Um this is the Why is this one going to be on my list? Well, it's the 911 call.
>> It absolutely is the 911 call. Um this this young man leaves his home uh just
before midnight back in 2013. He calls 911 in a very very strange call. It's it's hard to understand what he's
saying. He sounds he sounds scared. Um I'm not going to lie to you, Captain. the hearing the 911 call frightens me.
Um, and also trying to decipher what he's saying is really the big mystery because I think every one of us when
when it first hits our ears when we first hear it that we all think, you know what, I'm going to be able to pick
up on something that somebody else didn't hear and I'm going to know what happened to Brandon. Now, you know, now
Brandon was kind of this he he was kind of he comes I don't know him, but he looks to me like kind of a tough guy,
you know, kind of somebody that could handle himself that wouldn't be easily frightened.
>> Um, and he saw something out there in the dark that night >> that sounds to me like it terrified him.
And to this day, we don't know where Brandon is. We can't find his cell phone. There's been no activity on his
bank accounts. It's it's one of those cases that's haunting. Well, and the fact of the matter is that we have
evidence that he called after he left the scene. >> Mhm. >> And that's another wrinkle in the
mystery. Number five for me is Adam Walsh, which technically this is noted as a solved case. Just like with the
Kurt Cobain, that is marked down as a suicide. >> In your defense, u just like the Kurt
Cobain case, I think there's millions of people out there that would argue that it's not solved. So that that's that's
getting your back right there. >> Right. So Adam Walsh, we we know John Walsh from America's Most Wanted. It was
his son. He was at, you know, going to play. It was just that case to me was very nostalgic thinking about like the
Ataris and stuff and and being about the same age, you know, roughly around that
time period and just growing up in the 80s. So a little nostalgia there. But for me, um, the interesting thing was,
you know, when we started this thing in the garage, you know, we always talked about true crime, but it was always,
well, you're the true crime guy. You know, this is I I enjoy talking and I can write music and I can I can record
it and I can produce the show, but, you know, you got to take the lead as far as
the the research and stuff goes. But I would always dive into the cases. I always helped direct the shows, but this
one I I remember telling you, "Hey, this this Jeffrey Dmer thing has some weight
to it." >> Mhm. >> And I remember at first you going, "No, probably won't talk about it much." And
I remember thinking, "Well, I I think there's some more here." So, I dove into it. And and this is what really kind of
sunk the teeth in for me on this case. It's claimed to be solved. It's claim that he was murdered by Otis
>> Tul >> is also we got a lot of hate mail because people go it's Otis you stupid.
>> It depends on who you talk to. >> It's Otis. If the if if the family members of the dead kid says it's Otis
Tool. Yeah, call him Otis Tool. >> Mhm. >> Dummy. Um that's how it works. So, but I
think for the for me it was the it was the eyewitnesses at the mall 10 years later
seeing Jeffrey Dmer being arrested in in Milwaukee, Milwaukee. >> And they're they're 100% sure
>> that they saw him at the >> at the mall that day the day that he went missing. And I think there is
really something to that. And then also just a fascination with somebody like Jeffrey Dmer kind of ties that in. And I
think and then there's there's this this whole other speculation that Adam Walsh
is not dead. >> Yeah. That that that has come about quite a bit. >> Yeah. So it's definitely a case for me
early on, you know, that has fascinated me. >> Well, and I'll tell you what, I remember
watching the made for TV movie um way back when, you know, I was very very little when that came out. Uh, but I
remember watching it and being so young, you know, maybe my parents shouldn't have been letting me watch something
like that, but >> horrible parents. >> I remember being so young and it being so crazy that I didn't believe it was
real. I just thought it was a movie. You know what I mean? and I saw it on TV. And then the the terrifying thing for me
is fast forward 10, 12 years later and I'm reading about true crime all the time and I stumble upon this case and I
realize that movie that scared me enough when I was a little kid that I remembered parts of it uh still as a
teenager, >> right? >> Realizing that it's oh my god, that's a that's a real case that really happened.
Those were true events. >> Number four for me, we already talked about Mara Murray.
>> Oh yeah. uh we started doing the show and uh I to be honest with you, I mean we've talked about this before. I
haven't listened to many true crime podcast. >> I was just like what you know here's the
thing. We both were podcast lovers. >> Yeah. >> Right. And you just are. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's your favorite
right now? >> Um well, you're >> top three. >> I'm going to be laughed at. You really
want me to get laughed at? >> Yeah. It's better you than me. Well, we're two weeks away. Well, well, we're
one week away now from the NFL draft. So, Cleveland Browns Daily is my I'm still the idiot that's drinking the
Kool-Aid that thinks that someday something's going to happen with this team. They're not going to be a
laughingtock. So, around this time every year, I start listening to that. I love
True Murder. Everybody knows that. I love True Crime Garage. Um >> I I listen to my own show every day.
Um, >> you you know those guys in the garage are great. >> No, actually number three for me would
be maybe a little known podcast called Rippercast. Um, I've I've been intrigued by Jack the Ripper for many many years
and it's a it's a pretty random show because they don't have like a regular schedule. They just pop up an episode
every now and then. Uh, but they've been covering Jack the Ripper for years years. So those are my three. My top
three right now, uh, well, I listened to Missing Richard Simmons. I thought that
was pretty interesting. >> Yeah. >> Uh, I feel bad for that guy. Uh, I thought, uh, STON was pretty good. I
would have produced it better. >> I thought it was entertaining. >> It was very entertaining. I just think
they could have produced a little bit better. Uh, but I'm always listening to Joe Rogan or or Adam Corolla, but my my
new my new favorite one that just cracks the [ __ ] out of me. I mean, and I need
to stop listening to it cuz I'm I'm probably do his cadence, but congratulations by Crystalia.
>> Mhm. >> That [ __ ] is Essa good. >> Well, you know what, Captain? I knew that Mara Murray would be higher on your
list for you than it was for me. Not because I don't I don't find it, you know, to be an interesting case. I mean,
obviously, it's on my top 10 here, but for you, man, you were wrapped up in that thing for it felt like two months.
Like every time I showed up to the garage, he he was like, "Mar Murray and >> I mean I was calling people.
>> Listen what I just found out. I just talked to this person. They said this. I
just found this bit of information." And and every time we're getting in the garage, I'm going, "Yeah, but we're
working on this other case here, Captain. We We got to move on." >> Yeah. And when And I met a lot of people
in the true crime community through that. And like I said, there are some nut nut jobs that are connected to that
case, but you know, we we met, you know, when we first started doing the show, we
met our our good friend Aurelia, and she was the one that said, "Yeah, you guys you guys got to do social media." And I
was like, "What do you mean social media? We're we're not doing social now. Got to take a selfie every two seconds."
>> Number four for me, Captain uh Brian Schaefer. >> Uh you know, this case was what? This case had to be covered.
>> I'm just gonna jump to my three. >> Your gonna jump to your three. >> Yeah, my number three is Schaefer.
>> Oh, okay. Well, then let's just talk about it together. We uh the captain's weird about these list. He he will he
will view mine, but he never lets me see his list in advance. >> I'm changing I go.
>> He's making it up as he goes. No, but Brian Schaefer um and when I say it had
to be covered, we were just We live in Columbus. He went he disappeared from uh from the ugly tuna saloona in Columbus.
Uh it's it's become >> it's hard to know how famous this case is because we're in the heart of it all.
Um but the thing here was we we covered this just before the 10-year anniversary
of his disappearance. >> Well, it was one of the cases that really people started talking about our
podcast because we covered this case. And the thing is, you couldn't go, you know, it was every few months you'd be
somewhere and you would hear somebody go, "Hey, remember that guy that disappeared from the bar downtown? Uh,
whatever happened to that guy?" And it was it became one of these cases here where it's almost urban legend, you know
what I mean? It's it's the guy that disappeared from the bar downtown and at some point, unfortunately, people forget
the guy's name uh and forget what happened. you know, you could you could be in a bar talking to somebody and
they'd say, "Yeah, they found Brian Schaefer. He was so and so. He was at this place or that place."
>> And it was a case that locally has not gone away. It's um like I said, it's almost become some bit of a of an urban
legend. >> Well, and that's a popular area of campus. And the thing for me was, you
know, that whole area of campus changed. It used to be grungy and gritty and now
it's kind of a little more posh. But it started becoming posh when they put the ugly tuna in. But uh in the last couple
years, I've played down there a lot. So I go through the same garage that he drove to. I park in roughly the same
spot. I walk through the same doors. And it's something that I can't get off my mind.
>> And that's one thing that I don't think a lot of people get. when you've walked
the ground, when you've been to the location where somebody was had disappeared or where a body was found,
the case takes on a whole different angle for you, doesn't it? I mean, it it's once you when you can see the
place, when you can see the layout of things, you kind of understand or have a better understanding of what may have
happened. Um, you know, >> and what a lot of people don't know, we haven't, we didn't really talk about
this much, but, uh, we had a company from Australia come over. >> Uh, no roles for Sam is the name of the
company company, production company that they listened to our show. They believed
in us as individuals and talents and they came all the way from Australia and they we did some recording as if we were
shooting a documentary about the Brian Schaefer case. M >> uh then they took this material and
they've actually shopped us to different networks and stuff like that. So we met
a whole other team. That's why when you hear cheers mates >> Mhm. >> that's not us. That's because
>> we >> we became friends with a bunch of Aussies and uh >> and and we've done a lot of work with
them and and had these es and flows of the whole are you going to have a TV show or you not going to have a TV show?
>> We don't really care if we have a TV show. >> Yeah. We got podcast faces. >> Bri uh Brian Schaefer case was way back
in episode 16 and 17 if you if you haven't heard those. Uh you know the other crazy thing here is you know cuz
some people speculate that he that he took off on his own that he wanted to start a new life elsewhere and he chose
to disappear on April 1st, April Fool's Day. >> And that's what where you originally
thought. Yeah. >> You I mean like when we first started looking at you kept on saying to me,
"No, I I I think he wanted to leave." Yeah. >> And I I kept on saying that doesn't make
any sense, but you know, like I said, I played up there so much and I pulled this up. It was I don't I don't know if
this story is interesting to anybody, but I play at the World of Beer and I'd be in the corner,
>> which is right across the street or right across the walkway, >> just across the walkway. And this really
old security guard would come in and he'd order food from him >> and uh he kind of always look at me
like, "Yeah, you're doing it playing some." And so I pulled him aside one gig and I just I was looking around and I
was taking pictures and I think I was posting him on Instagram and stuff like that. I just asked him, I said, "Hey, uh
you know the guy that went missing?" He said, "Oh yeah, yeah." He said, "Uh, but
that's all Hollywood stuff." And I said, >> "Really?" I said, "Oh, what you what do
you mean?" And he said, "Well," he said, "Well, they they make it seem like he was Harry Houdini, you know,
>> right? Just disappeared in >> He just disappeared." And because the craziest thing about that that case is
that we got video footage of him going in the bar. >> Yes. >> And we have video footage of him of him
walking around talking to people, >> stumbling around, drunk, having a good time.
>> Right. The But the main exit was to go down escalator and we should have seen
him, >> right? Right. >> But if you study the film, there's no Brian Schaefer. And he was just saying
that Yeah. when they reported on it and when people talk about it, they always say, "Well, there was cameras
everywhere." >> Yeah. >> And he just said, "Look, those cameras didn't work." >> Yeah. And
>> and there and there was a bunch of blank spots and because the building was new
and he was just saying that that if if that guy wanted to leave, he could have left and nobody would see him. And
there's probably a bunch of people that left that bar that night that are not on
film. And the crazy thing too, you know, I I wasn't down there in 2006 when he disappeared, but I went down there many
years later, just happened to be there meeting people. Um, and remembered, oh yeah, this is where Brian Schaefer went
he had missing from. And looking around down there, the thing that shocked me because you're right, the the the TV
shows made such a big deal of not seeing him exit the bar. The story was always,
well, he walked into a bar and ne never was to be seen again, >> right? Uh, but the first thing I noticed
down there, now I don't know the workings of the building, but there's a lot more doors on that building than I
expected to see. Yeah. Uh, after having heard the report. >> Well, we know my number three.
>> Uh, number three for me is Amy Mahalavic. Um, the 10-year-old girl from Bay Village, Ohio, who disappeared in
October of 1989. Uh she was it's believed that she was lured to a shopping plaza by a person
who was pretending to be a friend of the family that she was receiving some strange phone calls leading up to her
disappearance. And unfortunately her uh murdered body was found in February of 1990 in Ashlin County, which is
>> quite a bit of a drive from Bay Village where she disappeared. For me, Captain, this is the reason why
this will always be a case that's with me is she was my age. Um, and this was really the first time I remember
watching some of the news footage when they were looking for her uh on TV. And it was kind of the the break of the age
of innocence for me as as a as a boy. um you know where where somebody you know a
girl my age in my home state nobody can find her and then when you find out months later that she's been
killed it was really kind of it was kind of an awakening for me that that these things do happen. They're not just in
movies and um you know I've been to I've been to where she >> pretty naive as a kid.
>> Yeah. But I mean keep >> I watched this movie and then I realized it was real.
>> Yeah. But then I saw this thing on the news and I realized it was real. >> Well, let me put it into better
perspective. I was trying not to date myself so much with the Adam Walsh thing, but I was probably five when I
saw that movie. Uh, >> this is not real. >> And as far as Amy Mahalovic goes, her
and I were the same age. I was 10 at the time when she went missing. I don't think that that's
>> I think it's no secret that we're bunch of old dudes. >> We're extremely old. I got my AARP card
on me right now. No. Uh but but to me, this case will always be with me. It will always be in my mind. Um I've seen
the picture of the person that they think was last seen with her, the drawing, the composite drawing.
>> Uh I'm one of those people that I think that I've, you know, out of the corner
of my eye sometimes I think that I saw the guy. Uh the crazy thing to me, Captain, and this is going to sound
absolutely crazy to everybody out there, but I've driven from the the plaza where
she was last seen to the area where she was found. >> Um it's supposed to be like a 50minute
drive. And I got to tell you, it felt like eternity driving that route. Uh the thing here is I think, you know, we've
seen some new evidence come out with this potential new evidence. I think this could be solved. Um, I I think that
think that I'm rambling right now. >> I'm a rambling guy. Rambling. Rambling. >> I've always thought and will always
think that somebody from the Ashlin area, Ashlin County, where the body was found. I think the person that was
responsible for this terrible murder lived in that area at the time. The drive to me just felt so long to have to
have a victim in the car with you that you would have to be heading to a point for a reason other than just to dump the
body, if that makes sense. >> Yeah. Here's here's some a little backstory. Here's a little uh behind the
scenes to Crime Gay Ranch. >> Uhhuh. uh probably a year before we actually started doing the podcast, I
remember you would you were telling me, "I'm going to drive to listen to this author speak."
>> Yeah. >> We've known each other forever, but it's just it's funny because you have and I
admire this about you, but you have all these hobbies where I've never had hobbies like
>> Well, you play a lot of music, >> right? But it's a job, you know what I mean? like I I normally just turn my
hobby into a job and then it's like okay well I play music >> and but you always have all these
interesting hobbies, you know, you always do a a bracket for the NCAA, you do fantasy football,
>> you have all this stuff and you're like, well, I'm you always were into true crime and you're like, well, I'm going
to go listen to this author talk. >> Yeah. >> Cut to a year later we're having that
author come in and to a studio for you to do do an interview with him. >> Yeah. And if I could give a personal
recommendation out there to our true crime fans listening, if you ever have the opportunity and it's actually it
happens all the time, you're just unaware of it because you don't search for these things. But these true crime
authors, they travel around and they give talks from time to time and you get an opportunity to meet them or to hear
their story. Uh it's it's a it's one thing that I've done for years. I do it a few times every year when one comes
around or or if I have to go up to Cleveland or Cincinnati to hear somebody, but it's incredibly
fascinating. I recommend if you have that opportunity to check something like that out.
>> Well, and and you you know, I heard the name James Rener because of the Mara Murray case.
>> Now, I don't agree with a lot of stuff that he says, >> but I do think he's a great author.
>> He's a great storyteller. And when people want to talk whether he's a journalist or whatever, I don't I don't
care. But at the end of the day, it's hard to write a book. At the end of the day, it's hard to spend a bunch of time
and energy looking into a cases. Yes, I understand that people put blinders on sometimes, but so we have him come to
this recording studio and we record a couple different interviews with this guy. Yeah.
>> It was kind of cool to go, okay, well, that's kind of cool. Nick gets to that'd
be like me meeting some famous jazz bass player. I'd be like geeking out. Um, so
I got to see James Rener and Nick just two true crime dorks just going at it, >> dorking it up.
>> Oh, I mean it was like God, I had to like put on some boots to way through all the dorky [ __ ] It was just But that
Amy and Mahalavik interview, I I left the room. >> Yeah. >> I was like on and all the Captain haters
at the time probably were like, "Yes, this is such a better episode." But I sat in the other room with a a producer
friend of mine and we turned the volume off and we didn't listen to the episode.
So when I get the files back and I actually created the episode, um, you know, I normally post the show and then
I listen back. So I was listening back and we started uh you guys were doing the interview with the Amy Mahalavic
case and uh it was just crazy cuz like about 5 minutes in I was like this [ __ ]
is fascinating. Well, I wouldn't claim to be an expert on on hardly anything at all, but but definitely not.
>> But one thing I would say, um, outside of the Bay Village law enforcement and
maybe some FBI agents, I I would argue that few people in the state of Ohio have spent more time researching the Amy
case than James and myself uh, separately, which what what was so great for me was getting the opportunity to
kind of discuss uh, his thoughts and my thoughts at the same time. The thing too
is, you know, I I really enjoy James Rener because of his work that he did with the Amy Mahalovic case. He was the
first person that started putting names and started coming up with suspect names. Nobody else had done that up
until that point. >> That son of a [ __ ] made in on this episode again. That's it's it's hard to listen to yourself.
And so anybody that you know these it's just it's frankly just ridiculously silly when people go you got a sexy
voice. >> Uh no no no no because when you hear back yourself it's like nails on a
chalkboard. >> Mhm. >> So maybe that's why it's one of my favorite episodes cuz I'm actually not
on the episode. >> That's episode 22 by the way. >> I mean that is a a fascinating story.
Number two for me is the Long Island serial killer case. Um, we've probably I I know we've done we recently did the
four-parter with the Boys on the Tracks. Um, so, you know, we did four parts on the Long Island serial killer.
>> Well, side note with the Boys on the Track, the reason why that's not on my list is because I believe that the
evidence is there, that the case is solved. There's just no justice there. >> Right. I agree 100% with you. Uh but as
far as Long Island serial killer goes, I mean, this is this is a case that of course
>> wrapped up the nation's attention. Uh but it's crazy that somebody has been killing this amount of people or maybe
even two two killers have been killing this amount of people for this length of time and not been caught. The thing that
I thought that was interesting as far as true crime garage goes is that we we never intentionally sat sat down and
intended to do this many episodes on the Long Island serial killer. It just kind
of came about as new information came out. We covered this in episodes four and five, then again uh in episode 20
and episode 74. So, this is a case that's been with the garage since season one. Well, and I think one of the things
that's really interesting about this is back to your idea of true crime authors.
I mean, look, if you're into if you're into uh true crime podcast, do yourself a favor and listen to a good true crime
book, like a audio book. >> I mean, you want to talk about D, you know, people are all into, you know,
these like, you know, STO or whatever or missing Richard Simmons and those are great productions or whatever, but to
listen, you know, I'm listening to The Devil's Knot now. >> Oh my goodness. Oh man, it's
>> that's one of the best true crime books ever, >> man. And here's the thing. It's not the
author's voice cuz it's not her reading it. It's somebody else reading it. H wor it's a worse voice than you.
>> But the author is is Mara Lever. One of the best one of the best true crime authors out there. It devil's not
fantastic. >> And then we kind of got on to you. Well, you got really sucked into the Long
Island serial killer case based off of Lost Girls. >> Yeah. >> And that's a book that if you have
Robert Hulker. He's a fantastic author as well. >> Hands down, one of the best, maybe one
of the best books. >> Oh, yeah. One of the best true crime books. And and and I'll tell you what,
the Long Island serial killer case, I was one of the dorks that was on the the Long Island serial killer.com website
for years, listening to all these trolls bash each other. And it it was crazy because you you'd have this community of
people that sounded like they wanted to get together and work to try to solve the case. It was basically like web
sleuths except for it was very specific. It was only going to cover Long Island serial killer. What ended up happening
after you f you know you get through this year and a half and it was the same similar to Mara Murray where people had
strong opinions about their theories and they were going to kind of force them upon you at some point.
>> It got so bad on that website that some of the people were accusing other people
on the website of being the Long Island serial killer. >> Right. Right. That's a That's always fun
to wake up and read, huh? >> Yeah. Hey, hey, by the way, you're the killer. What? Plus, remember the the rap
that we played on our on our episode? The >> Oh, yeah. >> Because I killed him. >> You know, I don't remember the words.
>> It sound like a country song. >> Yeah. >> Don't do that again. But there was some
creepy person came up with this whole Long Island serial killer rap that sounded like they were the killer and
they posted it on on the website and it was just randomly on there one day for a
couple weeks and then they took it down. >> Yeah. Well, it was it was a catchy tune
though. >> It was >> it was a catchy tune. Catchy little number, >> but it was about these murders. Yeah.
That's and and you know this the prostitute that came out and said hey I think there's
I look I think there's your original thought was there was really something to Shannon Gilbert going to this like
almost like sex party >> right >> and I think there's >> or Brewer's house >> right and I think that's where your
answers are going to are going to lie >> if they ever get into that and and all the stuff with the chief of the the new
police officer that got in trouble and all that stuff. Interesting case. And that's one that if it sucks you in,
byebye. >> Be in there for a while. >> Bye-bye. See you later. You'll get back to us at episode 200.
>> Yeah. Check in when you resurface. >> My number two is Brandon Lawson. >> Oh, fantastic.
>> Um, it's very simple. It's exactly what you said, the 91. >> You are exactly right.
>> Well, thank you. when you said, "I I listened to the tape and and being a audio engineer for years, I thought I
could manipulate this and I can know what he says and I couldn't." >> And it was really frustrating.
I don't I don't hear fear as much as maybe other people do. Um I've read almost every post on our blog about what
people think he says. >> Yeah, that was really cool. We had like what 70 or 80 people write in what they
think he's saying. >> Yeah. It was interesting though because when we did uh when we decided to do it,
you know, that's one of the things anytime there's a case, it's can we put a spin on it. If the case hasn't been
covered before, we just cover the case, >> right? >> But it's but with all these other cases,
it's just what can we bring to the table? Can we bring a different viewpoint? you know, can we add anything
to the conversation? If we can't, then we're just not going to cover it. You know, my my thing was, I think I can
dissect this and then we should dissect it live. So, I had all these clips that I dissected and then we were playing it
for you >> and we're trying to get our reactions >> on the spot, which was really
interesting. And yeah, everybody would say, "Oh, well, he's he's saying this." It's clear that he's saying this,
>> which is good. Calm down. We wanted we wanted to hear what other ears were hearing. Our ears aren't always right.
And and the the the loss of 911 tape is is just that if you listen to it 10 times, you might hear nine different
things. You know, it's you might have a different outcome nine out of 10 times. >> Well, what's what's the town he was
heading towards? >> Abalene, >> right? We all like we didn't we didn't hear at the time and we didn't look up a
map because we were just trying to keep going and and just you know here's our initial reaction. Let's see see what
happens when we hit record. >> Mhm. >> So yeah, we didn't look up a map and then No, that's all I'm saying. I I've
heard that 300 times. Yes, I know he's saying that now. I knew I think we knew after we push uh publish
on the podcast. We knew that. Oh, that's what he said, you know, but we're not going to go back and fix that. So,
>> that was a fun night in the garage though because we did both episodes in one recording and we we sat in here and
listened to that thing probably four or 500 times. Uh, and you know, the listeners are probably thankful that we
didn't put all four or 500 of them on the episodes, but we we manipulated it, changed it, tweaked it, did everything
we could to try to dissect the thing and come up with what poor Brandon Lawson was saying on that 911 call. you know,
the editing on the computer sometimes just physically makes me ill. >> And after that night, it was just like
head was spinning and I just thought, uh, you know, and everybody's going to say, "Well, that's just too much beer.
Captain, shut up." Um, no. So, yeah, that's my number two. Number one for me will be
the West Memphis 3 case. Um, again, this kind of falls into the whole Kurt Cobain
thing where maybe it, you know, some would argue that it's solved. You know, we have we have three guys that took an
Alfred plea and uh that's going to be the end of it. I me that just angers me more.
>> Uh you know, we we have three child victims here that were brutally killed. We have three guys that I'm not going to
lie to you, Captain. I I'm not convinced either way on Damian Eckles in that situation. Were they guilty? Were they
not guilty? I think that >> Oh, God. >> I think that the the >> Take it back. No, I'm I'm saying I'm I
could be swayed either way depending on what day it is. I I I see things that point towards their guilt. I see a lot
of things that point towards their innocence. The problem I see is that the problem with the investigation that the
investigation was mishandled from the get-go. And I think that's how they ended at at that conclusion. The problem
here is when you give when you let three guys out of prison, but you say as a state, oh, we're letting them out, but
they're guilty. What kind of justice is that for anybody? it it's not it's it's an unsolved case. Uh unfortunately, I
don't think they're ever going to work on it anymore uh because the state of the case, but I mean the it's like we
said, The Devil's Not is one of one of the best true crime books out there. And this is one of those cases for me that
about once every year and and I never >> Well, and the Paradise Lost, I mean, is
kind of what is, you know, the uh what's the godfather of all Yeah. >> True crime documentaries, you know.
>> Yep. And and for me though, Captain, as far as the West Memphis 3 case goes, I
never know when or where it's going to happen. But about once or twice a year, it pops up in my mind and it won't it
won't get out of there. I have to I fall back into that case uh you know, once a
year, twice a year. It's it's it's always with me. >> I call it a red light case.
You know, when you're sitting on a red light >> Mhm. and just pops into your head like
this is what happened. Pull up to a red light. >> Oh my god, that son of a [ __ ] killed
him. >> Y >> that son of that those boys killed those boys. >> Yep. >> That and and no look and before I get
any hate mail, that's what happens. >> Just random thought. >> My random thought will be what if Damen
Eckles did it? And then my brain goes down that thought and then I got to recollect. My brain starts recollecting
all the evidence and I go, "What if Terry Hobbs did it? What if, you know, >> yeah,
>> buyers did it?" And then I go down this rabbit hole for a little bit. Then I stop. It could be a week later, you
know, pull up, get in my Subway. I'll take a Italian BMT on on wheat, please. Oh my god, Terry Hobbs is guilty of sin.
It's Terry Hobbs. And then and then the other thing about it too is I I start going I start just talking like this all
the time. I made that moon water. >> Jesse Miss Kelly. >> Jesse Miss Kelly. >> No, you're exactly right though. It's it
it's you hit the nail on the head. It's a red light case because it randomly pops in your head and then you're like,
you know what? Damn, I just wasted eight hours of free time looking into this case again and still have no idea what
happened at the end of the day. >> Yeah. And and those I think we did a really good job. Uh you know, we bicker
back and forth on how how the that's another one I still we did a good job. >> We did a
>> You're wrong. We did a damn good job. Yeah, but the the way the case was supposed to go down was supposed to be u
the timeline then the confessions and the evidence >> and then the whole third part was
supposed to be discussing the boys just not discussing the three victims but discussing the West Memphis three each
individually and we kind of did that >> and whether they were guilty or not >> right and so but it's it's a look if you
don't know much about that case. Uh, you know, it's it's one that will suck you in. And I think a lot of it, too, is
because we were those teenage boys, you know, we were the we were >> somewhat. >> Well, well, let me put this out there. I
mean, yes. Yeah. Somewhat. And this just kind of hit me. Um maybe the reason why
I'm so fascinated about that case is or by that case is is that we're actually both sides of the fence. You know what I
mean? That we are the three victims. >> Mhm. >> You know, young boys, 8-year-old boys.
And what did you do with your 8-year-old friends? You rode your bikes around. >> Yeah.
>> And where did we hang out? And we ride bikes around town. And you did too. And
>> in the neighborhood. >> In the neighborhood. And right in the neighborhood was a creek.
>> Yeah. >> Creek, creek, however you want to say it. That's where we'd play. And that's where we could have died.
>> Mhm. >> And we were just 8 years old. We're just 10 years old, 12 years old, just doing
that. How many times did we come across teenagers that maybe wanted to bully some kids?
And how many times did we get beat up by those kids? Uh but that could have turned into, you know, death.
>> Mhm. >> And then on the other side of things, um as you get older and you dive into
some some new interests, music or whatever it is, art, um you might not line up with society
or the way, you know, >> I think most teenagers feel like they don't line up with society, whether
whether they're in the mainstream or off in some other click, you know. Um >> right. which I understand, but I think
also >> but we we did wear the black t-shirts, you know? >> Well, we're in a rock band.
>> Yeah, Metallica was was pretty much the [ __ ] I mean, come on. >> Right. >> Come on.
>> But yeah, I think maybe that's what it is. Like both sides of the fence. And then, you know, Jason Baldwin didn't
want to take the plea. And I still to this day, I mean, I can't I'm probably never going to meet them, you know, and
they're probably never going to hear this, but it's like I don't know. There's there's a part of
me that wishes they would end up taking it. Um, and there's a part of me that wishes
that, you know, people look, Johnny Depp, all these guys did all this stuff in their power to get these boys free,
but let's keep fighting. that that's one of those cases I just wish was solved, >> you know, and at the end of the day,
>> man, I wish that case was solved. >> All right, so let's go through our list real quick. Mine I'll do mine first cuz
mine's the best. Number 10, Joey Leute. Number nine, Matrice Richardson. Number eight, Johnny Gosh. Number seven, Kurt
Cobain. Number six, Emma Filipof. Number five, Adam Walsh. Number four, Mara Murray. Number three, Brian Schaefer.
Number two, Brandon Lawson. And number one, West Memphis 3. >> And my list, we got to make sure we put
these on the website, right? So people don't have to write them down as they're listening. But
>> we'll do something. Yeah. >> For me, number 10, Mara Murray. >> Wait, hold on. I guess I'll do
something. >> The For me, number 10, the disappearance of Mara Murray. Number nine, our
photograph episode. Number eight, Tony Muny. Number seven, April Tinsley. Number six, the Austin yogurt shop
murders. Five, Brandon Lawson. Four, Brian Schaefer. Three, Amy Mahalavik. Two, the Long Island serial killer. And
number one, the West Memphis 3 case. >> You know, we've done a 100 episodes. >> How the hell do you feel about that?
>> Oh, I feel extremely positive. I mean, when we set out and we first started doing this, we started in my garage and
then we moved to your garage. um >> cuz I was tired of carrying my equipment to your house.
>> And when we recorded in my garage, um it was for the first few episodes of of
season 1, maybe the first handful of episodes. And um uh >> I wish I would have recorded our fight
in your garage. >> But but no, it's been amazing to me. It's been a it's been a hell of a ride.
It's been a thrilling ride. Um glad it's over. >> We still keep getting new listeners
every day. Uh we started off with uh one listener. Yeah. >> And now we're all the way up to uh
>> Well, no, there was two. We both listened. >> That's right. That's right. But, uh,
some surprising moments to me um would probably be, you know, each week we we're we're picking a different case.
>> And, you know, I've always been the true crime dork. And so maybe I'm able to
kind of review these things and look at them uh with kind of a cold heart from time to time because you it's tough not
to let these things get to you. Um, but the probably the surprising thing to me is that it's always been very easy for
me to read about these things, learning how tough it can be to talk about some of them. Uh, and I mean from an
emotional standpoint, um, way back when we covered, you know, it's a few of these cases have hit me very hard. Um,
>> maybe even thrown me into a a short bout of depression. Um, because you start to
feel like maybe this whole world's just sick and evil. and then you realize, no,
that's that's actually a small percentage of what's going on. Um, but you know, not to recall all of the
accounts, but but when we were researching the Tika Lewis case, the the young uh girl that disappeared in
Washington, um, man, that one really really hit me hard. Uh, borderline like tears a few times during that week, uh,
studying that case. So, >> well, yeah. Well, West Memphis 3. I mean, you know, having uh stepsons that
I raised for a while and I just remember, you know, that case being so fascinating. And as far as like the
documentaries have always been on, you know, not always, but the the main focus is on that these boys were wrongly
wrongfully convicted. >> And yes, I feel for them if that is the case. Uh I I you know I think deep down
I believe that's the case but eight-year-old kids and you start reading about that stuff and I just
remember one day just balling in my garage just going >> you know is this is this worth it? Yeah.
Yeah. >> You know, uh but then excite, you know, but then uh you know, we kind of started
doing this for for ourselves, you know, for people >> purely purely for fun actually.
>> Well, no, but but for me it was, you know, I I would drive to gigs and I was just by myself
>> driving for two hours >> and if it wasn't for people like Adam Corolla, you know, my life, my quality
of life would have been down. Mhm. >> And so I'd get in that car at 3:00, 4:00 in the morning and be driving home and
wow, you know, I'm I'm now in Corolla studio listening to Ball Bryan uh Gina Grad uh at at the time Allison Rosen and
uh if it wasn't for them, you know, my quality of life would have been down. And so when we get these messages of
saying, "Oh, I listen to you at work. I listen to you at my commute. I listen to
you while I cook dinner." I mean, that's to me it's like, oh, I I actually matter. You know, what I'm doing
actually matters to somebody. >> And we've had times uh twice now that our server has gone down.
>> Yeah. >> Because the listenership has grown so big. >> Mhm. >> And at first we had a free plan. We had
a free plan and then the people said to us, "Hey, you're too big. You're costing
us thousands of dollars. >> Do a subscription." So, we did a subscription, paid for that, and a
couple weeks ago it crashed. >> We had to upgrade >> and everybody come going, I can't get
your damn episodes. I go, "Well, contacted them and they go, you guys are too big. You need a network server."
>> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, we'll get one of those. And those are proud moments. or or you know
when they write you up at in Rolling Stone magazine or or you know you know I I wasn't hip to the Congratulation
Podcast but when you're such a fan of somebody's work and uh he he says uh I've been listening to Murder Garage I
mean uh True Crime Garage >> to hear somebody that you admire say your show's name
that's pretty uh it makes you feel like you did something with your life and I think we all you know are capable of
doing great things and doing so much more with our lives. And we all have been at the point where you just kind of
sit around and just go this is I mean we were both laid off. >> Mhm. >> And we both felt like pieces of [ __ ]
>> Fallen on tough times. >> I mean we both were we both got paid a severance especially as a musician. I
mean I think you go through these times you know I just played in a cover band. >> Yeah. Yeah, you know, I'd play in the
corner. Most of the time people would even clap, you know, so to think that you're just never going to have your
chance or you're never going to have your moment to do something great. And uh we've put a lot of work and a lot of
time and energy and uh you know, but when those people say I listen to you or you make my week better, makes it all
worth it. >> Yeah. >> So, appreciate you guys listening. A surprising thing for me on the upside
would be, you know, you talked about you getting a message or or you know, I've I've got a few messages, bumped into a
few people and uh been told, you know, this these are the ones that really uplift me and make me feel great is
that, you know, I've had people say, you know what, I was going through a tough time or I had a lot going on uh that was
that was really bad in my life, you know, bringing me down and I was able to put on your show for one hour a week and
kind of just disappear. It took me away from from whatever was bothering me. I was able to laugh a little bit. I It
took my mind away and I was able to take a mental vacation for an hour and you've
really helped me through a tough time. Um and and sometimes people that have to be away on long trips away from their
family. Um you know, speaking of which, I I got a good friend that's in the Air Force. He's over overseas right now
serving his country. Yeah. Big shout out to my friend Ryan. uh praying for you, buddy. Want you to come home um all in
one piece for us. And uh we thank you for your service and your sacrifice. Uh we miss you. Uh but it's it's things
like that where people that have to be away from their families that >> I don't know them
>> that that have said, you know, you just the little that you do has has passed
the time faster for me. >> Um so that that's really incredible. >> But I got a lot of hate early on. I
still get a lot of hate. And tr truthfully, I mean, it's at first, man. Oh, it it bothered me a lot,
but I and I think and this is going to sound kind of cheesy, I guess. But I think it was funny cuz like, you know,
especially like when the server went down the one time, I think I was up for 30ome hours just working on it
>> and then I'd go to the website and some jackass would be going, >> "Shut up, Captain. Shut up." Well, guess
what? It's my show. >> I'll say whatever I want, >> whenever I want. Don't be a douche
canoe. But in the process, it I think made me give a [ __ ] about myself a little bit
more. >> Mhm. >> And say, well, nah, haters going to hate, haters going to ain't
>> and uh but you know, seriously, I mean, appreciate everybody listening and telling people, and it's uh it's been a
fun ride. And that's it. >> Now we got to gear up for 100 more. >> Well, I'm done. This is my last one. I
told you I'd do a 100. >> 101 with Nick only. >> Nick's Nick will be back next week. I taught
him how to record. So, be interesting. >> I want to thank all the listeners for giving us our 100th episode because it's
it's it's because of them that we've had 100 episodes. So, thank you guys for giving us our 100 episodes. Thank you,
captain, for all your hard work and that you've done. >> Thanks for showing up. Thank you for
showing up over, you know, the the span of almost two years now. And >> no, this guy would come in work 60 hours
a week, sometimes 70 hours a week, and when we're doing a West Memphis 3, he was working insane hours, but then we
recorded almost every night. So, uh, thank you for doing that. And somebody right now is listening and they're
going, "These guys are really giving themselves pats on the back." Godamn right I am. Godamn right I am. So,
welcome to Parts Unknown. Thanks for listening. All right, we will see everybody back here in the garage
for episode 101 next week. And until then, be good, be kind, and don't litter.

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Wow, one hundred shows in the books! It's been a great run and a fun run. Thank you to everyone who has been a part of the garage. Especially those of you that have been here since season one. Tonight we are going to have a little fun as we discuss our top ten unsolved cases covered on True Crime Garage. Join us for a drink won't you?Cheers, peace and love! Nic & The Captain

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Brief Summary

Hosts celebrate 100 episodes by ranking their top 10 unsolved cases, including Mara Murray and the West Memphis 3.

Key points

Mara Murray's Disappearance. A popular case that has intrigued many for over 13 years.
Joey Lee's Tragic Story. A young man goes missing, highlighting the need for awareness in lesser-covered cases.
The Strange Polaroid Photograph. A haunting image found in 1989 raises questions about potential victims.
The Fight for Johnny Gosh. A mother’s relentless pursuit of justice for her missing son.
The Eerie Case of April Tinsley. A chilling abduction case that haunts Indiana, with a killer who taunts the public.
Kurt Cobain: A Case Revisited. Exploring the complexities and conspiracies surrounding the death of the iconic musician.

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