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[Music] crime [Music] on Friday April 15th 20 5 Ray grear the district attorney for
Center County Pennsylvania called into work saying he would not be coming in for the day he had skipped work to relax
a little and take a drive through the pretty Countryside he planned to stop and do a
little antique hunting at a few mom and pop stores along the way this was not terribly uncommon for
Ry after all he was nearing the end of a very successful career and retirement was in
sight the DA's office could survive a day here or there without Rey so playing hookie and just getting away for a while
was welld deserved as the sun went down and the day turned to night Rey's longtime
girlfriend started to wonder when he would return it got darker and darker and yet
she had not heard from him she tried his cell several times but he never picked up to tell her where he
was was she thought she had waited long enough so she called the local police department she told them what she
knew the police explained that they knew Ry and he was responsible what we were probably
dealing with here is he' gotten late Ry must have decided to stay overnight maybe his phone was dead they would make
a few phone calls and see what they could find the next day when the detectives in
the first shift officers arrived at the office they saw the report stating Ray's
girlfriend had called and said he had not come home after some checking they quickly
discovered Ry was still missing he had never returned nor [Music] called they set off in search of their
missing district attorney they got their first break when they discovered his vehicle next to an
antique shop in Lewisburg Pennsylvania after finding the car investigators ComEd the area but found nothing no
other Clues to suggest where Ray may have gone and there were no signs of Foul Play The District Attorney had
simply vanished and under some mysterious circumstances many different law enforcement agencies have looked into
Ray's disappearance over the years they have found a lot of Clues and a lot of strange actions leading up to the date
that he went missing but nothing definitive I would tell you that he was never seen
again but there are some that say different that they have seen Ry after April 2005 many have speculated that the
prosecutor had made many enemies over the course of his long successful career and that someone may have wanted him
dead but no body has ever been found was he kidnapped taken away and killed elsewhere disposed of where he
would never be found like some kind of mob hit seems like something you would see in a Hollywood movie and not
something that would happen to Ray grear or is there something else going on beneath the surface of this man's
life could he have walked away from a good life he had worked so hard to create or could it have been
suicide or maybe even something more Sinister this is the story of Ray grear The Vanishing
man [Music] Ray grear was born in good old Cleveland Ohio way back in October of
1945 he attended the University of Dayton where he became interested in studying law after working as an intern
for the prosecutor's office from there he completed law school and became a prosecutor for kyoga County at kyoga
County Ry specialized in Prosecuting rape and murder cases Ray married Barbara gray in 1969 and they adopted
their daughter Laura who was born in 1978 mhm Ry his wife and daughter moved to State College Pennsylvania around
1980 this is so Ray's wife Barbara could take a job at Pennsylvania State University Penn State this area is a
really beautiful place ideal for raising a family safe and laidback I guess the plan Captain was that Ry was going to be
a stay-at-home dad uh this is a you know new area to the family who had just moved there a career change for his wife
mhm that's always been my dream be a stay-at-home dad MH forever and ever MH yeah me too uh I tell you what it I
don't know if this was a short-term plan uh if they were just waiting for their da their daughter to start school right
and then maybe Ray could resume his career in criminal law or maybe this was the plan until just the three of them
got settled in I'm not certain but regardless at some point people started to catch wind that a very capable young
prosecutor had moved to town yeah see my move would be kid gets old enough to go
to school right mhm the wife then says to me maybe you should be thinking about starting your career back right and I'd
be saying well you're so beautiful and and smart and and Powerful that that you know I I don't want to disappoint you
and I also need some time for me to find myself and that would happen for about 10 years a good good friend of mine and
he and his wife do not listen to the show so I can I feel I'm just GNA feel free to say this his kids he's a
stay-at-home dad his wife is very successful his kids are getting older and he told me the other day he goes man
I got to do something this stay-at-home dad stuff is driving me crazy I said oh cool you're thinking about going back to
work he goes oh no no I'm not thinking so I don't know what it is that he's got to do but anyway we got a little
Sidetrack there well just a little side note there's there's not many things more sexy than a very smart um empowered
woman there you go I thought you were going to say there's nothing more sexy than a stay-at-home dad I was going to
warn warn the dads out there the captain's on the prow hide the dads so anyway Captain Ray he he had a
reputation when he moved into town There's this capable young prosecutor that moved into town after some back and
forth and probably some coaxing Ry has ultimately offered a job as the prosecutor's assistant Ry excels at this
position and the prosecutor may have been planning a bit of an exit strategy and wanting to leave the county in good
hands one might say he recruited Ray grear and because of this that just a little under 5 years later Ray grear was
elected to be the district attorney of Center County Pennsylvania this was back in
1985 in 1989 after a successful first term Ray grear was reelected as da in 1991 Barbara and Ry get a divorce in
1993 Ry is again elected da he gets married for the second time this took place in
1996 but something else happens in Ray's life in 96 a major event Rey has an older brother and this is Roy Greek car
Roy was still living in Ohio now Roy disappeared from his home in may of 1996 M apparently he was missing for about a
week but then his body was later found in the great Miami River the authorities ruled Roy's death a suicide believing
that he had jumped off a bridge and into the river taking his own life despite his brother's suicide he's going to
actually have a lot of career highlights yeah that same year first he had a successful campaign to make the center
County DA job a full-time position in 1996 I guess it was a part-time position when he was originally elected and
anybody that's been in this situation knows that a lot of times when they create these government jobs that are
part-time positions usually you have an individual that's working basically full-time hours for part-time pay and so
it was good that he got this uh got this switch to fulltime there was also a famous case that same year and trial I
should say uh for Ray in 1996 this was for a school shooting at the camp at the campus of Penn State GRE car prosecuted
the perpetrator of the 1996 hsel Union building shooting at Penn State this was when a 19-year-old
girl opened fire with a rifle in the middle of Campus on September 18th 1996 19-year-old girl yeah the the
report said that she fired at least five shots from a rifle with a telescopic uh telescope site around 9:30
a.m. that morning from the front of the union building this is interesting cuz I
I don't know if I've ever heard of a school shooting that was actually done by a female well and this was I I'm not
familiar with the campus but I guess the near this Union building is considered one of the busiest areas for pedestrians
and students to be walking around it's a beautiful campus the shots sent hundreds
of students and teachers scattering uh this killing one student and wounding another before she was tackled while
trying to reload the gun the woman that was firing the rifle this is Jillian Rob
Robbins lived nearby the state college but she was not technically a student at the
University it said that Miss Robbins had a history of mental problems the student
that was killed was Melanie spala she was a 19-year-old from Pennsylvania there was another person that was
wounded in this attack and there was one student that escaped injury when a book
in his backpack stopped a bullet from piercing him uhhuh what was that book called I don't know then don't tell you
these things when you read the newspaper articles but that what they did tell me
was there is an aerospace engineering student this is Brendan malav he tackled Miss Miss Robinson as she was putting a
second ammunition clip into the rifle now as the two struggled she tried to stab him with a knife but she ended up
she ended up stabbing herself in the leg instead but being a truly good guy this
guy should get like multiple Awards not only did Brandon stopped the attacker from shooting more people and more
students yeah after she had stabbed herself on accident he stood up he took off his belt and he used it as a
tourniquet to to help save her life as well she ended up being hospitalized in serious condition but survived yeah
which Ray would go on and prosecute her then probably because of that prosecution he ended up being reelected
in '97 now this next part most of you may not be familiar with this portion of the story but there is name in here that
I'm sure a lot of you have heard before hwk Hogan in 1998 Ray grear declined to press charges against longtime Penn
State assistant football coach Jerry sanduski yeah following allegations of sexual abuse of a minor now it's not
just as simple as that you know it's not just as simple that he declined to press
charges there was a full investigation there it it may have and probably was more likely
that he was unable to press these charges due to lack of evidence but this is something that we will get into more
during both this episode and the next and Ray was a little bit of a local celebrity I mean they would see him on
the news a lot I mean you see this a lot of times with uh lawyers or or detectives in the area MH yeah he would
be on local news stations quoted in the the newspaper and because he was a very successful prosecutor in 1999 Greek car
appeared on the Discovery Channel show the FBI Files now I'm not certain which case that they were discussing on there
I wanted to go back and watch it but we're working on a bit of a time crunch this week Captain so I didn't get a
chance to do that yeah somebody feels the need to take vacations well it's there's like a foot of snow outside and
it's super cold and I'm going to go somewhere where that I'm going somewhere where that's not happening buddy later
Ry and his second wife split up this took place in 2001 a year or two later Ry moved in with his girlfriend Patty
they worked together or had worked together at one time um he would later be reelected he was reelected I'm sorry
four times total before announcing that he would not run for reelection in 2005 yep it was 2004 when Greek car
announced he would not run for reelection and he would actually retire from the da job yeah Ray was turning 60
in 2005 and his retirement would be just shortly after his 60th birthday so a very good and long run career as the da
of a great place to live and you know going through his life gives you the feel of who Ry was and what kind of guy
he was kind of the All-American boy who grows up to be the All-American man you know serving the community he's a
husband and a and a father he has he's a husband multiple times yeah yeah couple of times we need
to talk about April 15th Captain April 15th 2005 that's a Friday well At 11:30 a.m. Ray Greek car called his girlfriend
Patty to let her know that he was driving through the Brush Valley area Northeast of Center Hall yeah according
to the police chief this is Dwayne Dixon grear last spoke to his girlfriend Patty
around 11:30 a.m. on that Friday the longtime district attorney had planned to go into the office around
noon that day but instead he called his girlfriend who also works at the office and told her he was out for a drive
along Route 192 in pens Valley he told her he would not be in at all that day no one thought it this to be unusual
though uh Patty didn't hear from him again on Saturday evening the state police located Greek car's car a Mini
Cooper parked in a small dirt lot near an antique shop in Lewisburg Union County which is about 60 miles east of
Bal Fountain there they learned Greek car had been seen in the shop on Saturday afternoon yeah Greek car's car
was locked and there was no signs of Foul Play his cell phone was inside the car he has not been heard from since but
we have some missing items here captain can't find this guy they find his cell phone in the car but there are some
missing items the items that they did not find include Ray's laptop computer his car keys and his wallet now they
found his car it was parked in the parking lot like a dirt lot okay so he's parked there but you would assume he was
seen in the store that's why he parked his car there but this store was close to Bridges and remember his brother did
take his own life by jumping off a bridge yeah and I guess that would be the first thing one of the first things
that the family pointed out to police when they located the vehicle you know this is wasn't something that the police
were super familiar with right but you have you have the family that are going wait a second this is eerily familiar
we've seen this before we have uh you know his older brother Roy having jumped off a bridge vehicle found near two
Bridges going over the uh sasah River so oddly enough similar somewhat similar to
how his brother's vehicle was found many years before now on Sunday the state police used a helicopter to search for
over two hours along the banks of that river near where his car was found for any signs of Ray yeah investigators used
blood hounds to try to track and try to pick up some kind of scent but they they
didn't find anything they started tracking his credit cards and his bank records to see if they had been used uh
there were also they were also checking his computer files and his phone records the FBI had been called in to
assist with some of those task in addition investigators were combing through Greek car's current and previous
cases to see if anyone he's prosecuted could be holding a grudge against him yeah now the police chief would would
come out and say that there had been no recent threats against Ray grear but he also said that there is no
one Focus point for their investigation that they had no good leads early in this
investigation now the next day he kept saying Saturday I actually believe this might have taken place on Monday morning
but standing at a Podium was Laura grear uh grasping a legal pad and she made a plea to her father she said hi Dad I
want you to know I love you so much my heart aches deeply for your presence she told her father she would like to hug
him and perhaps hike up a mountain together and just sit and talk for a while yeah she said that she will wait
for him as long as it takes to hear from him now I want to point out Laura grear
she lives all the way in Washington state so all the way on the other side of the country she comes here to help
look for her father and make this public plea on television uh go ahead well do you feel like she's making this plea as
if he's alive and he's running away so you would think that she would have some gut feeling that's telling her that this
is the case and not Foul Play or whatever and then probably it's backed up by her mother telling her you know
she she probably at some point said I'm going to go to Pennsylvania and I'm going to make this uh plea to my father
and then her mother's probably going oh yeah that's a good idea so that's two individuals that that are close to him
that think it's very possible that he just disappeared on his own yeah and when you have no signs of Foul Play
that's the way you have to approach it and that's exactly what she did she finished her um her plea to her father
hoping that maybe he would see that broadcast by saying I love you so much please call please call us now Patty
fornicola that's Ray Greer's long-term girlfriend she also spoke briefly at that news conference she too directed
her comments directly to Greek car saying Ray I love you very much and I miss you I want you to come home please
call us we will wait as long as we have to and then at the conference Greek car he was he was described by others there
as a Hands-On prosecutor who was dedicated to his job right we have Mark Smith this is Greek car's assistant
first assistant district attorney he said that Center County was really blessed to have Greek car here for all
of those years Smith described his boss as a private person a very private person he kept his own calendar at work
and he was passionate about the law typically Smith said grear keeps his cell phone with him at all times so he
can stay in touch with the office even when he's on vacation once before they stated that Greek car had took off for a
day and a half this was when Greek car drove to Ohio for a ball game but in that instance no one had reported him
missing now also mentioned was the death of GRE car's brother Roy who went missing in may of 1996 in Westchester
Ohio where we had said you know after a week his body had been found in the in the great Miami River his death was
ruled a suicide by Drowning now there is information out there and this is a bit
difficult uh I could find a statement from Rey's nephew MH and this was that the nephew Roy's son had stated that
that Rey didn't believe this was a drowning that wasn't didn't believe it was a suicide that he had thought that
there was other factors involved in his brother's death and the son Roy's son believed this as well now unfortunately
we don't have Rey to tell us that that was his actual beliefs we just have Roy son telling us that
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things that weren't found and raise car right after his car was found mhm but the thing that I think is one of the
most most interesting things about this whole whole case is what was found and what was found was some cigarette Ash
yes and I wasn't I don't know if I've heard different reports but I also heard that there was a report that his car
smelled of smoke yes both reports from my understanding are true so um we'll go through this kind of quick here his
vehicle is found and it's one of those you know small Mini Coopers and inside find his cell phone which we heard
people from his office say even when this guy was on vacation he kept his cell phone on him so he could get in
touch with the office mhm we don't find the keys to the car uh and the car is found locked now inside the car is this
cigarette Ash which is found on the passenger side but it's on the floor area it's not on the seat it's on the
floor and the car the way that the police described it was on the floor what's that the ash is on the floor yeah
the the cigarette Ash is on the floor so so picture it's almost like somebody was
either a sitting in the passenger seat smoking a cigarette or B maybe he had his window down they weren't actually in
the car and they were leaning into the car with the cigarette yeah I I had a buddy one time he needed a me to pick
him up in Pittsburgh okay which is like three hours away so so I pick him up and
the whole ride home he was smoking and I didn't you know pay much attention he was just smoking in the car
right and then when he got out of the car uh I looked down there cigarettes ashes all over my floor and I realized
he was just ashing on the floor well that's nice and polite yeah I mean I give him I was a 6 seven hour round trip
for me and uh and that's how he repaid me so there's two things here I can't say for certain that there would have
been enough Ash for one to believe that somebody was sitting in the passenger seat and just ashing on the floor like
your good friend did um or if it was just you know cigarette Ash has it tend to just fall off the cigarette while
it's burning but the way that the police describe the ash itself and then the smell first like I said it appeared
either someone was in the car sitting in the passenger seat it was right in that
area you know between the legs area or somebody was leaning into the car when the we when the window was down with
their cigarette inside the vehicle the smell was reported as the police said that it smelled to them like someone was
smoking in the car like right before the car was you know before they exited the
vehicle shut the doors and locked up the car almost like it trapped in you know actual smoke itself and it had sat there
they're not really certain how long that car had sat there either which is the other thing to take into consideration
okay here here's the thing and anybody that has smoked would probably know this if your buddy smoked and you rolled down
the windows and he was just leaning in right and talk to you and there's some ash on the floor but not a bunch of Ash
right so maybe a few Puffs he's leaning in the car you're not saying anything cuz you know no big deal right right the
person gets you know gets out of the window you roll up the window let's say the car sits for a day you open up that
car you're not going to smell smoke right you know what I mean like so or but take the same scenario leaning in
the car smoking gets out of the window rolls it up you find that car in the next hour or so yeah you'll smell it
yeah might smell I would think so but after a few hours of that situation you are not going to smell
smoke now maybe if the individual's in the car with the windows up smokes a full cigarette let's say right and now
now the the window is going to be longer maybe 6 hours afterwards maybe you'd smell a hint of smoke you see what I'm
saying so that that's a big deal you know to me well it's important too because Ray Greek car didn't smoke and
not only did he not smoke but you know the the people that like hate smoke and hate cigarettes and hate smokers that
was Ray G he did not he wouldn't have let somebody smoke in his car is what his girlfriend and his family members
would say now we don't know that that's a certainty right and that's that where it becomes a little different because
you have buddies um you know that will smoke only when they drink mhm you know but but when they're not drinking
they're pretty against it oh you know somebody wants to smoke in their car they're going to say no right so you
know this whole idea that he he definitely wouldn't let anybody smoke in his car um I mean I don't know him well
enough and and and maybe I should just go base off what they're saying but there's a lot of people that I know that
are quote unquote against smoking yeah until they're drinking and then they've had nine Bud Lights and all of a sudden
they want a cigarette from you that right well no yeah they become smokers all of a sudden yeah and usually dancers
at that point too anyway U but I think I think what the police are stating here is that you know we can't say for
certain that he wouldn't if you know let anybody smoke in his car for any reason
at all but the information they're getting from his family is that this is definitely something strange this is
something that they should uh keep into consideration when they come out with the statement like there was no signs of
Foul Play yes this isn't Foul Play but this is something definitely out of the ordinary where we've not seen anything
out of the ordinary leading up to him going missing now the reporters we spoke in the first half about that news
conference where we have Laura his daughter talking about him being missing and speaking to him like Hey Dad come
home you know give us a call you know pick up a phone and give us a phone call uh the reporter is was stating after
interviewing both police and gray car's family that he said you know obviously the police are investigating every
possible scenario however it was the reporter's belief that R car's family seemed to be leaning toward the idea
that Ry had taken off on his own now I do want to point out one interesting note before we go too far into maybe
possible scenarios and some things that happened after his disappearance but one
thing we should keep in mind uh an interesting note is that at the time of his disappearance Ray GRE car was making
over six figures um and remember we said that he was set for retirement he was planning to retire Within in the next
year mhm so just to kind of give you a general overview of his life and his situation at that time because you
really have when you think about it there would be probably three major scenarios that we we should bring up
here is it either a he was murdered and they haven't found his body B the suicide we've seen the family history uh
with his brother maybe there was some depression going on maybe he chose to take his own life and then C we have the
possibility of him walking away just just stepping out of his car and walking away or
d right right what's D so D would be the idea that you know his brother um committed suicide quote unquote mhm but
Rey believed and and then um Roy's son believed that maybe it wasn't a suicide but maybe a murder to set it up to look
look like a suicide mhm so then you have this conspiracy aspect so did somebody uh plan to murder uh Ry and then try to
make it look like a suicide or look like he disappeared uh because he wanted to leave yeah but they wouldn't murder him
and make it look like a murder you know what I mean like no no but what I'm saying is you know he had he has reason
to believe that his brother didn't commit suicide that he was murdered ACC according to the nephew yeah
right and and also according to the nephew that that's what Ry believed so if that happened whoever killed his
brother could they be responsible for the fact that Ry went missing and and we'll have him parked close to these
Bridges and if we do that that'll make it look you know maybe you know you'll find his body in in the water and
they'll assume suicide just like his brother well and like we said Captain the cell phone was found it was
recovered in the vehicle but the laptop that Ry owned that was not recovered and
it wasn't until July 30th of that same year that a fisherman uh had discovered Ray's laptop computer this was in the
river beneath the bridge uh between Lewisburg in Milton a computer expert analyzed the computer and they very
quickly found that its hard drive was missing from the laptop divers searched the area of the river near where the
laptop was located over the next several days but they found nothing it wasn't until 2 months later that someone had
recovered a hard drive on the banks of the sasana river just about a 100 yard from the location of the labtop computer
and investigators believe that this was Ray's hard drive but here's the weird thing the the hard drive as you can
imagine was quite damaged MH um and they did they did analysis by by the FBI by the US Secret Service of all people and
then a private firm which attempted to uh recover data from the hard drive but failed to do
so in 2009 this is this is weird in 2009 the police revealed for the first time that
before Ry went missing someone used the home computer now keep in mind this is at the home of Ray and Patty house to
perform internet searches on topics such as how to wreck a hard drive also how to
fry hard drive and water damage to a notebook computer now I'm not certain of the
dates of these searches I I believe that there are people that have their theories out there on to when these this
search took place um but these searches were going down at the home of Ray and Patty and it's just shortly before his
disappearance and he takes off let's let's assume Ray takes off with the purpose of of leaving of walking away or
committing suicide right mhm he purposely took off with that laptop computer and then we have these searches
on the home computer prior to this mhm so now you got to you got to be thinking about a situation did did he leave
willingly take the laptop and want to fry the laptop for some reason or did Patty do something or have something
some weird involved in his disappearance and she was searching how to fry his computer uh in advance yeah to me I lean
more towards it' be Ray doing it yeah the the other thing too is that there were several of his
co-workers had later told police that they had had conversations with Ry that he was inquiring about how to uh wreck
his hard drive or how to clean let's say clean the computer we to keep in mind this was not
technically his laptop computered to the county so one has to assume that once he
retired he would no longer be in possession of that laptop he would have to return that to to the county okay so
let's just Ponder for a second what is on the laptop why would he need to destroy the hard drive well where my
mind goes Captain is it immediately goes to just when they found the laptop and then
later found the hard drive my mind goes to who other than Ray would want to destroy that computer what would be on
that computer that somebody else would want to destroy it and I mean that because we're talking about a district
attorney we're talking about somebody that's probably got some dirt on some people and somebody that could have have
information in there that could lead to Future charges against an individual and
put them behind bars potentially it's not until it's not until that you later learn that there were searches on his
home computer on how to wreck the computer that one starts to think well why would Ry why would Ry want to
destroy his computer or why would Patty want to destroy his computer yeah but again there's there's another step in
the evidence chain is one there was searches at his home and then he asked people how to do this so we could like I
said I'm assuming that he's the one that did the searches himself because he's he's also asking people in public how do
I get rid how do I destroy this hard drive right well co-workers he's asking co-workers about that right and so yeah
I mean my okay so he's turning in the computer what could be on there I I question would there be I think police
their thought was that there was some kind of personal journal on there that he had personal information about
himself that he had put on the computer I don't know how long he he had been toing around this this County uh
computer and what kind of information he was putting on there maybe he was using
it for personal purposes you know just as simple as paying bills or had financial information on this computer
that he wanted he didn't want the next person to to be able to to see it right or there's hundreds of thousands of porn
sites you know CU it was he's using his uh work computer to beat off that it could be that simple Hees doesn't want
them to know he was using the computer at work to to beat off and he wants to clear the hard drive all right um that's
a simple that's a simple thing it's yeah it's pretty simple too that he might have been doing some banking on there
paying bills uh I'm talking about anything personal that he would use the computer for uh is there a chance that
there was some back and forth some correspondence with his girlfriend on there mhm cuz think about this he they
work together I mean maybe they use their uh County email to to exchange some you know some
uh some naughty pictures maybe I don't I don't even mean that I don't possibly I
mean anything's possible we're talking about somebody that chose to destroy their computer and run away um but what
I think what I mean is just correspondence back and forth between the two of them of a personal of their
relationship yeah um this is what's weird for me is cuz it could be like I said just something very
simple you know and uh you know I did some banking here I did some pulling the Pud on here you know some you know
risque uh emails back and forth which that would be government servers anyway so they
could get into those if you wanted anyways Journal those are all simple to me my gut feeling is if he's doing searches
at home and he's asking co-workers or whoever mhm that it's something bigger than that yeah and I don't here's the
thing a lot of people have presented the idea well maybe he's just gathering this
information because at some point he plans to retire like we said is going to be within the next year and he just
wants to turn in the computer clean for whatever reason it could be innocent personal stuff that's on there um but I
do want to throw this at more at least more than one of the co-workers that told police that that he
had inquired to them hey how do I clean sweep this computer before I turn it in these same people at least two of them
told the police that please keep in mind Ray grear he was a very successful guy incredibly intelligent and hardworking
MH but he didn't know much about computers is what those co-workers had passed along to police and meaning who
knows what he what his plans were for that computer or what he thought was that they would find right I think the
other thing here too is um you know he's a prosecutor so sometimes you're asking these questions
you know we we have a lot of conversations with the detectives and uh private investigators about cases and
sometimes you just call them to go if I was to do this right I you know so he could be inquiring about a case for all
we know um but this is what what's weird to me is his connection with Jerry sanduski and the fact that we now have
this um pedophile that you know we now know went to jail and um did horrible acts and what information did he have on
Jerry um that might have been on his computer yeah so uh before before we get into that Captain let's go through this
real quick it was in 2011 uh in July that the county actually declared Ray grear legally dead you know they had not
he had not been around for six years at this point yeah and a day after the judge declared Ray grear legally dead
this is very strange the police in Utah arrested a man who resembled Ray grear and this guy actually refused to reveal
his identity to the police and he was only being char chared with a misdemeanor mhm so they this John Doe
who resembled Ray grear uh not only in look but as well as height and weight um and some even say that he had the same
wrinkles on his face uh that Ray grear had the similarities caused an internet sensation you know people armchair
detecting looking for Ray grear and there was a lot of speculation that they had actually found Ray uh but but it
took some time after some uh sending copies of fingerprints back and forth that they determined that that was not
Ray grear that was arrested in Utah um sure so nevertheless the fingerprints that
they sent out did not trigger a match in that situation what you were getting to
though sure also something that occurred in 2011 was Jerry sanduski was arrested
and charged by the Pennsylvania Attorney General's office on multiple counts of child sex abuse charges now we need to
go through this a bit I think I don't want the whole Sandusky case to hijack the show but I believe it's important
part of this case and for some of our good people out there they may not be familiar with this case especially our
International garage Army members MH so okay so for those let's start at the very the most simple part of this for
for people that are unaware so Penn State is a is a college as we had said in the state of Pennsylvania now college
football for people outside of this country college football is arguably the biggest sport or one of the biggest
Sports in this country it's a huge it's a huge Money Maker uh it's huge for the uh universities a lot of these players
go on to have careers in the NFL where they make a lot of money so we're talking big dollar stuff here now Jerry
sanduski would have been an assistant coach to Joe pno who was the head coach for a long standing time at the state of
uh at the College of Penn State now there had been some rumor that that sanduski was molesting boys and these
would be I don't have the ages in front of me but I'm guessing if I remember correctly would probably be be about
boys like age 11 to maybe 14 or 15 yeah and sanduski was your typical pedophile uh and what I mean by that is he was the
type that he was going to use his position of power to put him in a situation where he could gain the trust
of some of these young men and boys and then he would use that trust to to turn against them and and do horrible things
to them right he he ran a charity and I believe the charity was called Second Mile I'm not positive on that Captain
but I think it was called Second Mile and the the simplest explanation of this charity was it was an organization that
was set out to um to take a look at troubled youths and try to put them on the correct path to
give them a second chance so to speak and so in 1998 was when the first Rumblings of this come about we have two
boys that made claims against Jerry sanduski and this was the case that Ray grear worked yeah he worked this case
trying to get get I question how much evidence there was because it appears to me like he he
was trying to get some kind of confession from Jerry sanduski and sanduski said some things
that were a little incriminating but they were very cryptic they were uh what he did was they took grear I'm sorry
grear took sanduski and one of the victim's mothers and put them in the same room together
and at some point this is kind of mind hunterish you know on mind mind Hunter they always talk about how to set up the
interrogation room and and how to handle to kind of manipulate the put little and
things in the background here so Greek car set it up so that the plan was this that he was going to direct questions to
sanduski and at some point he wanted the mother to interject and kind of take over the questioning and stab him in his
throat so the mother asked sanduski something to the effect of all right so this is weird they were they were in a
shower together which should never happened to begin with that alone Jo the interrogation no no the the boy one of
the boys in sanduski were in a shower together nope so from what happened what typically happened with sanduski from my
understanding is there are several incidences where he would be at a high school you know players that play at
high school level or he would take these troubled youths to the uh Penn State football facilities and they have
showers there you know and he would do these fake practices or whatever and then there would be a shower session at
some point it would typically be during the shower session that he would start to
molest the boys so the mother at some point interjects with the question of when you were in the shower with my son
seeing him did that excit you and I think that question really threw sanduski for a curveball because he he
almost confesses there he says something like I don't know yes I guess like he gives like a weird answer like that like
he's like really kind of thrown off by the question and then he immediately says something to the effect like well
she she says like well did you molest him and he says no I didn't but I'm I'm sorry and I I wish I were dead so it's
it's this weird thing that's like grear leaves this meeting I mean when you leave that
meeting you know like this dude did this stuff yeah he just didn't say anything that really is going to get you get you
a conviction and unfortunately this is a guy that's of prominence too and and I hate to say this but we know this to be
the truth in most situations usually people in a position of power sometimes it takes a little more to convict them
than it would some low life like me in the garage yeah yeah I want to compare yourself to wouldn't call me a low life
when you talk about that group but the fact of the matter is is at this point and based off of the interrogation based
off uh the transcripts I'm sure at some point um that Ry was taping this this information should have went to Penn
State and they should have said here's what here is what's happening Jerry is not going to no longer going to work for
us for one because we have young boys that go into the college program you know 18 19yearold boys mhm so you're not
going to be around them not going to be around any athlete showering you're not going to work for us and also those
connections with the charity and you helping out kids we're going to put a kabash on that too and that's what
should have happened that's not what happened but that's what should have happened well it gets worse because I
believe it was the following year after these allegations first came out that Jerry Sandusky retires from his position
as a coach at Penn State yeah now upon retirement he still I believe he was the founder of that second mile charity of
that Foundation yeah and Penn State allowed him to keep an office at the at their facilities where he continued to
use their facilities to uh gain the trust of these boys and then later molest them so this continued for many
years so for those of you out there that are not familiar with this case we're talking about a guy that was later
convicted of multiple multiple counts where we have lots of victims over long history of time the guy I believe was
sentenced to 30 to 60 years and I think he was in his mid to late 60s when he was sentenced so thank God we're we're
seeing a guy that will not get out of prison one his son was charged as well yeah and and the reason why this is so
big so for those of you not familiar Ray grear worked in the county of Penn State
where that where that college is that college is the biggest thing in that area that College runs that town right
let's put it this way that is your cash cow and then your God your God bigger than bigger than the President right
bigger than any world leader in that little town is the head football coach mm and so that's where this becomes
really shitty because of money and because of a football program I think some of a lot of this was swept under
the rug and that's complete horeshit well and there's plenty of evidence I don't want to get into a
whole debate about this portion of it but there's a lot of evidence out there that uh it's obvious that certain
members of the Penn State University knew that this was possibly going on and they kind of turned turned a blind eye
to it yeah and kind of acted like nothing bad was going on and they let this monster um victimize these children
repeatedly for years and and so what I was wondering is um I think it was his son Jerry sandusky's
son that he had and maybe Jerry was also hit with uh having child pornography on
his computer so what I'm wondering is what what let's just say hypothetically what if Ry went to some people said can
you help me with this can we get something on Jerry and they could have simply said you know we got these files
from him here's the files and then Ry opened them up mhm and then couldn't you know how do you explain away that file
that's interesting see what I'm saying and so that's why I wondered like to me like again is it is is it a kind of a
gross thing that this guy would be using his work computer at home to you know jerk off or whatever yeah but you can
explain that away right like well you don't want to have to you don't want to but I'm just saying that I'm just saying
that like if you turn in stuff like that or you turn in you know the a diary I don't know to me there was a
reason he's asking people and it had to be darker I think and it could have been
just as simple as a private investigator said we got these files on him you got to take a look at them to see if they're
incriminating right and he could try to explain that away but that that would be
a maybe a little more difficult well and with regarding the sanduski thing you know the thing that the reason why this
case is always linked to the sanduski uh crimes is simply this you know people have often wondered if if
there were so many people in powerful position so many smart quote unquote smart people I don't want to label them
as smart obviously right that turned a blind eye to what was going on or what they thought could have been going
on people also wonder where's the line then when where do where does one stop to to continue to cover up
this the Mis dealings of this powerful man and and that's why this case has always been linked to that we have a guy
that goes missing in 2005 we have Rumblings that start in 9899 that this stuff is going on and and it wasn't
until 2011 that everything is brought to the light so was it covered up again in
2005 was was it was this going to be brought to light in 2005 and somebody stopped somebody stopped that from
happening now it was uh I want to continue on Captain cuz we got one more item that I want to make sure we get to
before we run out of time today but in 2015 there was some information that came out and this is just full of bad
this is just all kinds of bad right here so in 2015 I believe it was September there's an unnamed individual
that comes forward and he is telling the authorities this is an FBI informant who
is a former Hell's Angel member of the motorcycle gang he tells the FBI that Ray grear has been murdered
that he was murdered back in 2005 and he was murdered by another member of the Hell's Angels
okay so the way this thing works is like this apparently this FBI informant former Hell's Angel guy he believed that
the guy that he was accusing was was dead by this point mhm so if this dude was afraid of this dude or what I don't
know why he waited to tell the FBI this but but I'm assuming he was afraid of this guy and thought that he was
dead he would later find out during the course of this investigation and the information that
he's providing that this guy was actually in fact he was still alive and he was in another state now I don't know
if this guy that he's trying to turn in is still a Hell's Angel member I don't know you know I don't know who he is he
he remains unnamed to this day but why what would his motivation for killing Ray be
apparently the the member that killed Ray grear Ray Greek car had had prosecuted
this guy a long time ago MH and apparently it was for just some kind of assault charges it wasn't for like the
you know it wasn't for something huge you know it wasn't like a big crime but apparently the uh the guy felt like he
was wrongfully prosecuted not that he was guilt you know not that he was innocent of these charges but that they
gave him some extremely lengthy sentence for what he was convicted of right he didn't agree with the sentence of of
what he had done wouldn't that be done by the judge well and I think that well I think the the state in the county can
recommend uh sentences or lengths of sentences right and anyway they uh apparently the once this man got out of
prison he Tracked Down Greek car and he killed him uh and he I guess he according to this guy he slit the throat
of Ray grear and he took him out to this property and I don't I have no information of where this property is
this these reports are all very vague but he took him out to this property and I guess there's a mine shaft somewhere
on this property if not multiple M shafts mhm and Ray GRE car's body and his remains were placed somewhere in
that Min shaft according to this FBI informant Ray's body is not the only one in that Min shaft oh it's a b it's a
body shaft the problem the problem with this part of the story though is is that
he will not tell them where this m shaft is located he starts to back out and I believe it could be that once he found
out this guy's still alive he said right I'm not cooperating anymore there are a
lot of people out there though and a lot of people in law enforcement that believe that this might just be some
kind of false confession and I don't know what the uh the gain would be I don't know what the reason for it well
you he said he was a FBI informant that also was a Hell's Angel right yeah he was a one time
Hell's Angel member if not still to this day we don't know IID just say the the psychology that goes into having to be
in those environments could mess with you a little bit to be on both sides of the fence yeah mhm well a lot of times
though that's the misconception that I think some people have that actually a lot of times these informants that's
what they are they are on both sides of the fence they're they're playing the good and they're playing the bad um
and one's mind it could mess with with some someone's mind it also always makes me question their credibility well right
because your job is to alter reality you're trying to alter the reality of the bad side or the good side and so
therefore your reality can become fuzzy and like I said it's just all kinds of bad because if in fact this confession
these statements are true then Ray grear is dead and he's he's in a place where they may not find him until somebody
points this out to them if it's not true then we've just got another bunch of information that leads nowhere or right
doesn't matter yeah in this case is just crazy because it's one of those cases where you have several different
scenarios that could have happened with Ray grear he could we could be talking about suicide we could have be talking
about he walked away or somebody killed him and conspiracy there's information to point you in either of those
directions in all four of those directions and there's certainly evidence out there to talk about more
theories than just what we covered here today and to do so on the next episode we asked James rener our good friend is
he the only guy that's returned that's come back to the garage multiple times the rest of them are dead the rest of
them the rest of them didn't want to see they're all they're all in the body shaft but we we asked our good friend
James rener to sit down and talk to us about the ray GRE car case because this is one that he covered back in the day
and he spent quite a bit of time he worked for a newspaper I believe and a lot of people know him from the mar
Murray disappearance and have some strong opinions uh good and bad for Mr rener um we are on the good side
obviously but we've asked him to talk with us about this Greek car case because this is one that he looked into
for quite some time and he got a bunch of information and theories from some of the locals well he's just a very
interesting guy to uh pick his brain and the fact that he covered this case made
it even more interesting and the the great thing about him is he didn't hold back back on some of the crazier
theories he and not saying that he believes in them he just kind of lays them out for everybody so join us in the
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Friday, April 15, 2005 - 59 year old Ray Gricar, the district attorney for Centre County, Pennsylvania called into work. He said he would not be coming into work that day. He let his girlfriend know that he planned to take a drive and do some antique shopping. He never returned home. The next day investigators found his vehicle parked at an antique shop's dirt lot. The car was locked and Ray's cell phone was found inside the car. The scene was eerily familiar to that of Ray's brother's suicide years ago. What happened to Ray Gricar? Had many years as a prosecutor made him one too many enemies? Was Ray's case tied to the Penn State scandal? Or was Ray living a secret life and decided to walk away? Tonight we discuss one of the most fascinating disappearances from the state of Pennsylvania. Beer of the Week - Brawler by Yards Brewing Company Garage Grade - 3 and a half bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

Ray Grecar, a district attorney, vanished in 2005, leading to theories of murder, suicide, or voluntary disappearance amid a complex investigation.

Key points

The Mysterious Disappearance of Ray Grear. Ray Grear, a district attorney, vanished without a trace after a day off.
Laura Grear's Heartfelt Plea. Laura Grear makes a public plea for her missing father, expressing her love and hope.
A Mysterious Disappearance. Ray Greer goes missing under strange circumstances, leaving behind unanswered questions.
The Laptop Mystery. Ray's laptop is discovered months later, but its hard drive is missing.
Unusual Internet Searches. Before his disappearance, someone searched how to destroy a hard drive at Ray's home.
Ray Grear's Mysterious Disappearance. Ray Grear was declared legally dead in 2011, but questions about his fate linger.

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The District Attorney had simply vanished under mysterious circumstances.

Ray Grear's disappearance

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