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[grim music] - He was always talking to boys who had girlfriends, and he seemed to be jealous of them.
- You have someone, a boy, who is actually very fragile. - He said that he knew her routine,
and he also asked her, how was school today? - This is somebody who is hiding in plain sight.
- He was buying weapons. He had really big zombie knives in his possession. There was a killer on the loose.
[theme music] [ominous music] [camera shutter clicking] MICHAEL PRIDDLE: I wanted to go out
and photograph the moon, which is my hobby, which I love. The cloud cover was too great, so I decided to go home.
I walked along the path, and I heard the two screams coming from the beach. One was a long scream.
The other one was a shorter scream with an abrupt end. Coming around the corner was where I first saw
a man coming off the steps. He covered his face with his hood. His hood moved, and under this light, I saw his face.
[grim music] The following morning, the local newspaper said there had been a stabbing.
- The whole attack lasted six minutes. Six minutes doesn't sound like a long time,
but for someone who's being stabbed over and over, that's an awfully long time to being pursued by someone.
- Tributes have been left here to the woman who died. And another woman, a 38-year-old,
remains in hospital with serious injuries. Dorset police are urging people who have seen the man pictured in this CCTV image
to call them on 999 if they see him. - There was a killer on the loose. [solemn music]
ARDAM AFZAL: He came here with his parents when he was really young, and they came here
to sort of make themselves upstanding British citizens and part of the community.
PIPPA AFZAL: It's a great environment, lots of sports, lots of outdoor activities,
a great place, great community, great support. I know a friend of mine knew their neighbors
and said they were a really lovely family. - With Nasen Saadi, what we have is a boy who started
off wanting to be seen. He talked about how he never really felt loved by his family, and that is
something that I wrestle with. Nasen Saadi wanted to be seen as strong. He wanted to be seen as masculine,
ever since he was a little boy. That seems to be all he's wanted, is to be included in order to get that kind of attention
that they're craving. [solemn music] ARDAM AFZAL: I first met Nasen at college, and initially, I did feel bad for him.
He seemed to be a bit of an outsider, a bit of a loner. He had strange tendencies as well.
The way he'd act around people, and especially females, was very odd. He'd often come up to people that he wouldn't know
and act like they're friends. He was asking about relationships because he really
wanted to have one, or he wanted to have some sort of intimate relationship with a woman.
He was always talking to boys who had girlfriends, and he seemed to be jealous of them.
[intriguing music] - Now, of course, this is teenage years, so hormones are racing.
I don't find anything particularly unusual in this, but clearly, this is somebody who isn't forming
relationships with girls. So these questions that he's asking, which the other boys are finding somewhat odd,
are they going to get him past the finishing post, if you like, and get him a girlfriend?
ARDAM AFZAL: He talked to girls, whether they have boyfriends or didn't have boyfriends
and tried to maybe flirt with them, but he'd go from asking them about themselves
to insulting them. He thought it was funny or that they were enjoying the conversations,
but they weren't. And they'd often tell him that. [grim music] He then went from talking to people to sending
different messages to people. I say this definitely showed escalation. He'd send messages to these girls who were younger than him
that they're very pretty, and the girls were a mixture of ages from 17 to 18. JULIA SHAW: He would send these messages about how--
initially, how beautiful they were, how much he liked them, how they were basically
these princesses. [notification chime] And then if they didn't respond within one or two messages,
he would get aggressive. [notification chime] And he would slut-shame them. He would say, actually, you're ugly,
or, basically, you don't deserve me, or use some other kind of technique where he was either nagging.
So maybe he was intentionally trying to bring down their self-esteem in order to make them more receptive to his advances,
or maybe what's more likely is he felt rejected very quickly and then got really aggressive.
[notification chime] And so you can see in this messaging, which is common for a subset of people
who interact online, especially a subset of boys, is that you have this incredible rejection anxiety.
You have someone, a boy, who is actually very fragile going into this situation, which they know
is likely to result in rejection, but they're also incredibly scared of it. [grim music]
[notification chime] ARDAM AFZAL: He did message me on social media as well, sending me videos of him kind of arm-wrestling or things
like that. STUDENT: We've actually found someone who's actually going to beat him.
Just end it. [boy grunting] [boy chuckling] ARDAM AFZAL: And this was an attempt
at him trying to show that he was strong and that he wasn't like a weak individual.
So not only did he arm-wrestle people, but then the video of it would also be sent
around to people like myself. KERRY DAYNES: So he's trying to show himself as a manly guy.
He's trying to show himself as somebody who would be desirable, maybe to women, but also desirable as a very manly friend to the other guys
at school. [blow thuds] [boxing machine beeping] But it hints a little bit at desperation.
ARDAM AFZAL: I think he wanted to give off the impression of this sort of macho man who went to the gym, but as far
as I can tell, he didn't. Actually, I think he was more isolated individually with his devices.
[grim music] Nasen had an unhealthy obsession with girls at college, and he tried to message girls
that he didn't know. And I would say to him, why are you messaging these girls? And it was all just sort of I'm just talking to her
or it's just a message. He did reveal to me, I want a girlfriend, and there'd be lots of girls that he'd
tried to do this with. KERRY DAYNES: To put it bluntly, Nasen Saadi he has no game when he's talking to women.
He's got no ability to perspective take, so he's not empathizing with them. He's not understanding how that communication is
going to be received by them. He's just saying, you're pretty. Do you want to go out?
Do you want my number? So it smacks of desperation. And eventually, that level of rejection,
combined with his lack of self-awareness about it, his understanding of why that is,
has got to be really quite stinging for an adolescent boy. ARDAM AFZAL: Nasen sent me a message saying,
she probably thinks I'm ugly. She didn't reply to me. Maybe he was looking for some sort of sympathy from me,
and he was hoping that I'd say, you know, you're not ugly. JULIA SHAW: That, to me, is perhaps actually
quite an honest thing to say, but it also shows a real lack of self-confidence. And often the most toxic kind of aggression and grandiosity
come from that vulnerability where you don't feel good enough, and so you're going to take
it out on somebody else. And also, it could lead to a hopelessness in terms of feeling that girls will never be into you.
So I'm going to have to play the numbers, just message lots and lots of girls and see if anybody bites.
And then if they do bite, maybe also being mean to them, because, well, you know, what's wrong with you for liking me?
And so that's where that hostile vulnerability is really horrible and really manifests
as violence towards others, even if it's just psychological violence. [grim music]
ARDAM AFZAL: He'd message from an Instagram account that I originally read as N skillz.
I later found out that it was actually Nasen Saadi killz, and it was his initials, NS, and then killz.
- Setting up an account with a fake name, or in this case a pseudonym, Nskillz, which is his initials.
But it totally depends on what he did with it and why he created it. Hiding behind the anonymity of this kind of internet interface
is going to embolden him, especially if he has these thoughts in his head and he feels
rejected and now he is using this to act out. [grim music] PIPPA AFZAL: One of Nasen's messages
said that he had seen her getting off the bus, and he gave a specific time that this girl
had got off at the station. And he said that he knew her routine, and he also asked her, how was school today?
That is extremely threatening in a message to a girl, who is still a girl. KERRY DAYNES: When somebody sends a message saying,
I know your routine, there's one of two things happening here. This could be somebody that we sometimes
refer to as a howler, so this is somebody that makes lots of noise in messages, is very intimidating in messages,
but it is all noise. There are actually no action. Or it could be that he really does know their routine,
in which case that takes him into a category that we call "hunters," because, clearly, that would involve
stalking a woman in order to ascertain her movements and her routine. ARDAM AFZAL: Nasen messaged my sister, calling her pretty
and saying that she was attractive and that he wanted to get to know her. [notification chime]
I then messaged Nasen and said, you know, this is my sister. Don't message her. She's 17.
Please stay away. Later, Nasen showed up at her place of work and actually followed her around her workplace
and harassed her and asked her questions like, are you Ardam's sister? Can I be your boyfriend?
Can I have your number? Which she ignored and then actually tried to hide from him within her work.
I said, what are you doing, going and talking to my sister and harassing her at her place of work?
And he replied with that he'd done nothing wrong. He didn't see any issues with what he had done.
So I thought I'd go and speak to his parents and let them know what he'd been doing.
When Nasen arrived at the house, the first thing he said to me as he got out of his car
was, I'll kill you. PIPPA AFZAL: I was able to get some really good advice from my friend who was telling me,
don't let your daughter go out on her own. Make sure you inform her school and her workplace of this man, what he looks like,
what he's been doing. [grim music] I felt that they were treating it as a malicious communication
offense, and although he was committing that, he was also committing stalking and harassment as well.
I don't know how many other young girls he did that to, but certainly he was making girls
feel uncomfortable on a daily basis. JULIA SHAW: There's so many people who have,
arguably, sounded the alarm, and yet insufficient action is happening. And so he's able to continue to harass these women and girls
and get away with it. And so I could also see how that would embolden somebody who is feeling rejected,
is feeling aggressive. He might go, huh, what else can I get away with? [resonant music]
PIPPA AFZAL: I went into the police station and met with a detective who had spoken to Nasen.
She explained to me that he understood that his behavior was wrong and he seemed really
remorseful for his behavior. But it's so frustrating. That's what it is. It's just so frustrating that they choose to believe him.
He was stalking and harassing my daughter and my son as well. And I said to her that my biggest concern
was one day turning on the T-- turning on the television and see that he had hurt
someone or killed someone. [grim music] - Nasen Saadi went to university. He started a criminology degree.
A police officer came to Nasen Saadi's university and gave a guest lecture of a question
and answer sort of forum. And he started asking questions on different police forces--
how do different police forces work together? Do they share information? And that's the question where it's not
just curiosity about crime. That's a very practical question. - In the context of a criminology course,
which I have taught, it's usual to ask weird questions. The reason why in criminology classes and criminal psychology
classes we discuss these kinds of issues and we specifically allow these kinds of weird questions
is because, by understanding how people do things and why they do things, we can prevent them.
So the whole point of these courses is that you have these students who are interested in preventing crime.
HANNAH KNIGHT: When Nasen Saadi was asking questions, it was about DNA. It was about how police can track DNA, or maybe
how they cannot find DNA. The university lecturer looked around the room, and all the other university students looked a bit confused.
But he kept pressing, and he wanted to know, and he wanted to know now. It did prompt his university lecturer to say to him,
you're not planning a murder, are you? - Nasen Saadi is displaying in front of his whole criminology
set and lecturers, who are police officers no less, his rather morbid and lurid fascination with all things
homicide, so this is somebody who is hiding in plain sight. [grim music] - I saw a story of him going into one of the dorm rooms that
was full of girls with a water gun and spraying girls that he didn't know while at Greenwich.
- This is the kind of thing that you might expect boys to do, having a laugh at university.
But take into account the behavior that goes before it and his lack of relationship
with these girls that he's squirting with water, and also the fact that he's filming this
and he puts it online. So he's wanting to humiliate these girls. This is not a joke.
This is him escalating to behaviors that are intended to punish the girls that are not interested in him.
JULIA SHAW: By posting this video and getting this positive response, or what he perceives to be a positive response,
he is potentially reinforcing the idea that this is acceptable or even desirable
behavior, that this is the kind of thing he can do and get away with. And there's a sinister part of this,
which is that it feels a little bit, in the context of this case, like a test run.
[stirring music] - At the start of 2024, around January, that's when his search history started looking
into the types of knives and different types of high-profile murders. He was buying weapons, really big zombie knives
he had in his possession. - He had posted a picture of them on his Snapchat. I think they were a mixture of small knives
as well as slightly bigger knives such as machetes or those kind of weapons. - Nasen Saadi has this fascination with knives.
He's not reading social cues as normal people would, and he is sort of bragging about the fact that he has them
and that he loves them. And probably the people around him are going, that's pretty weird.
But in his mind, it's probably a sign of, look at me. Look at the strength. - His mom and dad had actually found these weapons
and taken them away from him. Well, that goes from a morbid curiosity to your parents are actually concerned
you're going to use that. If you're having to physically remove a weapon from him
because you don't know what he's going to do with it, I think that speaks a lot about a person.
JULIA SHAW: Right now, we're just down this path of red flags, and you can trace it.
It's just this clear pathway. [grim music] - An example of some of the messages that he sent to young girls--
WOMAN 1: "Why are you talking like a roadman for?" WOMAN 2: "Oh, shut up." WOMAN 1: "I'm your boyfriend."
WOMAN 2: "Some weirdo." WOMAN 1: "Ugly [bleep]" WOMAN 2: "Get a life." WOMAN 1: "Shh."
- At this point, we can see that he is using much more aggressive language much earlier,
so he almost comes in with this, I'm going to be rejected. I'm just going to get my slurring
as quickly as possible. WOMAN 1: "Do you have a boyfriend?" WOMAN 2: "Yes, I do."
WOMAN 1: "I doubt it." WOMAN 2: "You little gremlin." WOMAN 1: "You [bleep]" WOMAN 2: "Go bed.
You got school tomorrow." WOMAN 1: "Good night, babe." [grim music] - He's just surrounded by this invisibility where people don't
want anything to do with him. And so I think he's internalizing that, and it's making him increasingly aggressive,
increasingly angry, and importantly, increasingly misogynistic. WOMAN 1: "You still haven't blocked me, clown."
WOMAN 2: "Thanks for reminding me." JULIA SHAW: Occasionally he even makes fun of them
for not blocking him and for allowing him to continue to harass them, almost as if it's their failure
that he has shown up and they didn't immediately lock him out, even though if they do lock him out,
he might show up somewhere else. WOMAN 1: "I feel sorry for your parents. They should have had an abortion."
WOMAN 2: "Same. They got the most beautiful [bleep] on this earth. Hide your dad."
WOMAN 1: "You would have more followers if you were beautiful." WOMAN 2: "I removed them all, babe."
WOMAN 1: "Baby." - Oh, my God. - At this point, I think he has lost all respect for women,
and he is, most importantly, normalized rejection. He's just seeing closed doors everywhere.
He tries his luck a little bit and then expects rejection, is rejected, and then he does it again and does
it again and does it again. It's a downward spiral where you can see that he is just
getting more and more frustrated, more and more verbally aggressive towards women,
and you can just see it descending and ascending and descending. [grim music] - By March 2024, months before the murder,
that's when he started looking up locations. He started looking at the different types of towns,
and is it easier to get away with murder if you do it in another town? By April 2024, he was looking at sandy beaches,
pebbly beaches; which are easier to run on, sandy beaches or pebbly beaches? And once he landed on sand, then he landed on Bournemouth.
And that's when it started to go from there. [stirring music] By the 21st of May, he traveled from his home in Croydon, and
he got a train to Bournemouth. And CCTV showed him wearing almost a disguise. He was wearing sunglasses, but he
was wearing them on the train while he was sat on the train. He then got a taxi from the train station
over to his hotel. The CCTV caught Nasen Saadi arriving with his bag. He went to the cinema.
He decided to watch a horror movie. It involved knives, and it also involved the victims
trying to run away. [eerie music] KERRY DAYNES: When he's rejected by women and when he's complained about or
he is put down, as he would see it, by people in his world, he feels very small, and he feels
very powerless and worthless. But when he starts to think of himself as the aggressor in a slasher movie,
when he starts to think of himself as this very cunning, predatory killer, he starts to feel big,
and he starts to feel powerful. So for him, this fantasy life is something that is thrilling and exciting.
This is a salve, really, to low self-esteem. [grim music] HANNAH KNIGHT: On the day of the murder,
around half past 11:00 in the morning, Nasen Saadi ended up visiting a shop. It was quite an unremarkable trip to the shop.
He just bought himself a drink and a bag of crisps. [resonant music] Amie gray was a much loved woman in the Dorset community.
She was married. She had a wife. She had a daughter, and she has a very loving family.
And something that she was really ingrained in was the Dorset Futsal Club that she soon became a part of.
And not only was she a team member, she was the coach. [ominous music] Amie actually had sport practice
that night, so I think she was running a little bit late. So Leanne got to the beach first.
They went down to the beach together, and they set up a little campfire. And they had a picnic, and they were just enjoying
the moonlit beach as friends. You can see on CCTV there fire, and that indicates where they were sat.
About 11:38 PM, that was when Nasen Saadi was seen to step onto the promenade. That was when he now made his beeline to Leanne and Amie.
Leanne described this young boy. He walked over to them, and they both looked up at him as if he was going to ask a question.
And she recalled Amie almost smiling at him, and the next thing Leanne remembered
was him lunging towards her. Now, she didn't know at that point she'd been stabbed,
but Amie was shouting at him to get off of her. [woman screams] And that's when he turned his attention to Amie.
And Amie started running down the beach, and he pursued her. He's running after her, and, inevitably, they meet.
And he stabs her over and over again. While this is happening, Leanne, Amie's friend,
ran towards the promenade. She ran towards the light, and she thought someone would be able to help them.
By the time she got to the promenade, the attacker had already finished with Amie.
He was content. He'd already killed her. So he pursued Leanne again. He ran to the promenade, and he started
stabbing her over and over. And Leanne said the only thing she could do was turn her back to him.
She said she didn't want to look at him. She didn't want to look at his face. She ended up having over 20 stab wounds all over her back,
and, miraculously, she survived. [stirring music] The police absolutely scoured the beach and the cliff top
for days trying to find the murder weapon, but they just never found it. They never found the knife.
They never found the clothes. They never found any forensics. So all they had was CCTV, and they were
able to backtrack from there. CCTV showed the killer going towards the zigzag steps,
and then it cut off from there. It was almost a blind spot. They lost him. But he was wearing a distinctive jumper,
and it was a dark jumper with a gray sort of white stripe across the front. And that was how they were able to trace the killer
through his movements. And it was when they were reviewing that CCTV footage on the day of the murder, they saw
a man wearing the exact same hoodie going into a Nisa store. And when police went to that Nisa store
and tracked the card transaction, they found it to be Nasen Saadi. [grim music] OFFICER 1: Hands on your head!
Walk down the stairs slowly! Keep walking! Keep walking! Stop! Turn around! Walk backwards!
OFFICER 2: Hands on your head! OFFICER 1: Walk backwards towards my voice! Walk backwards!
Keep walking! Keep walking! Bring him out. - Out, out, out! Come out, come out, come out!
OFFICER 1: Get on-- get on your knees. Down on your knees! Down on your knees! - Look at me!
OFFICER 1: Stay there. Do not move. Nasen, you're under arrest on suspicion of murder.
[grim music] - He was facing two serious charges, one for murder of Amie Gray, and attempted
murder of Leanne Miles. DETECTIVE: From the start, we've said this is about us getting answers, finding the truth.
- The only thing I noticed is he appeared to me harmless. DETECTIVE: It's about trying to establish how Amie died,
how Leanne was attacked, and why. - Emotionally, he appeared detached as to the reality he's facing.
DETECTIVE: There's lots of things here that indicate that you are the person responsible.
So I really think you've got some important information here, you've got some answers here that can help us
deal with what's taken place. - I haven't got any. - He never stays still. You can see he's fidgeting.
He's, you know, picking his beards and then standing up. His concentration level is very, very low.
DETECTIVE: I think what's preventing you is the fact that, as the evidence shows,
you are the male that is responsible for the murder and attempted murder. You were on the beach that night.
- But the beaches are, like, popular places. Many people-- on the CCTV that you showed me, there were many,
like, people walking. It's not just one person. DETECTIVE: Is there anything you
think we haven't understood? - I think just because some-- someone is wearing the, um--
the same clothes, um, is circumstantial. [grim music] - Talking about the fact that his clothes are
sort of common clothes, that lots of people wear hoodies, that it's circumstantial evidence,
which feels like a big word to use in this context. You could say maybe he's putting
his criminology degree to use. DETECTIVE: Do you think there's anything we've not talked about
or asked you about that's important that you need to tell us? - I'm just saying I'm wrongly accused of mistaken identity.
And mistakes can happen. And I'm just-- I'm not responsible. JULIA SHAW: I think what's more important here is that he's
maybe trying to use that cleverness to show, I know what I'm doing here. I know what you're doing here, and
I'm going to be clever in this situation. It's like he's trying to manage the situation.
DETECTIVE: There's lots of things here that indicate that you are the person responsible.
- And-- um, I'm not responsible. DETECTIVE: OK. - And I have no reason to attack someone for no reason.
DETECTIVE: Have you been motivated by something else? - No comment. I wouldn't attack someone for no reason.
JULIA SHAW: In the interview with the police, he says, I have no reason to attack someone for no reason.
And what he's trying to say is, what business do I have attacking someone on a beach?
And you've got the wrong guy. But you could interpret that differently, which is I have no reason to attack someone for no reason,
because his mind maybe he goes, but I have a reason. DETECTIVE: Is there something else
going on that will be an explanation as to what's then happened? - I have no comment.
DETECTIVE: Your interests? - That's related to my university. DETECTIVE: Your views towards females?
- No comment. JULIA SHAW: Overall, what we have here in the interrogation is this person who
is juggling his intelligence but also his real attitudes that he's trying to probably conceal.
KERRY DAYNES: I think that you only have to look at the manosphere that we have currently online,
and you have to look at the growth of the incel culture to really understand that there are a lot of young boys
who feel rejected and humiliated by their inability to connect with the opposite sex.
[grim music] - I was called to do a photo lineup of recognition. Seeing that and the squareness of the shoulders and
his facial expression, I was 100% the photo of number six was the man that I saw on the cliffs.
[grim music] HANNAH KNIGHT: At the start of the trial, the prosecution said that Nasen Saadi wanted to see how
it would feel to take a life. He wanted to feel powerful. And they said he wanted to see what it'd be like to maim,
to butcher, to hurt someone. They said maybe he didn't like seeing people happily
enjoying their lives and he wanted to take that away from them. - I think that you only have to look
at the numbers of young men and boys who struggle with social connection and interaction and
communication, and they're being really groomed into believing that women and girls are mocking them or
laughing at them, and that we don't want to connect with them. We want to reject them for our own nefarious purposes.
Most incels, young men, are lonely, and they don't subscribe to violence towards the sex
that they are attracted to. But increasingly, that is what we're seeing, and I think that when we take it to his n-th degree,
we have the kind of behaviors that we see displayed by Nasen Saadi. HANNAH KNIGHT: The pathologist gave extensive evidence
on Amie Gray's exact injuries. She had 10 knife wounds in total. She had wounds to her arms, to her chest.
One had even penetrated her heart. Leanne Miles was covered with 20 knife wounds,
and both her and Amie had defense injuries, which showed they both tried to fight their way out of this.
One of Leanne's injuries had actually caused her lung to collapse. By the 18th of December, 2024, the jury
came back with their guilty verdicts after just over five hours-- guilty for both the murder of Amie gray
and the attempted murder of Leanne miles. [grim music] In his defense, the barrister described him
as a social misfit of sorts. He mostly had a problem with women. He didn't like it that he wasn't recognized by women.
He didn't have girlfriends. He didn't have friends. And then this sort of hatred began to build, I suppose,
and then this is what ended up happening as a result. - His defense barrister said Saadi recognized his guilt
and demonstrated a willingness to receive therapy. He had significantly low esteem and
a general sense of inadequacy. - He later said, no one ever recognized me for when I did good things.
They only recognized when I did bad things. - "Infamy became a valid goal in itself."
- Amie's family made the decision that they wanted to sit in the courtroom. They didn't want to sit in the public gallery.
They wanted to look at Nasen Saadi. JUSTICE CUTTS: "You admitted your guilt for the first time
to Dr. Ruthenberg. The clear evidence is that you planned to kill and went to Bournemouth to do so.
I am satisfied from reading the report of Dr. Ruthenberg that you chose Amie gray and Leanne Miles
because you have a grievance against society as a whole and women in particular.
No doubt you thought you had committed the perfect crime." - It's interesting to me that there's these two components.
One is the desire to commit this crime and get away with it. And then, on the other hand, there's the choice of targets.
I think the one which is whom he's going to murder and choosing to murder women, specifically women who
are isolated, women who are on their own, is almost certainly rooted in his attitudes towards women,
that they are worth less than men. And so he has a real hatred and aggression towards women that he's able to act out in that moment.
On the other hand, it's maybe desire to test himself, to see, could I get away with murder?
And I think it's quite likely that he wanted both of them, and they come from different parts of him.
KERRY DAYNES: This is somebody who wasn't able to have the sexual experiences that he wanted
in life, and so he decided to replace those with violent experiences. - "Why did you do as you did?
Dr. Ruthenberg's report shed some light on that. You have experienced difficulty in your life socializing and
communicating with others by the reason of the fact you have some autistic traits, although you do not have
autistic spectrum disorder. It seems that you have felt humiliated and embarrassed
by repeated rejections or perceived rejections of any advances you have made, particularly towards girls,
which over time has resulted in a deeply suppressed rage directed towards society
and women in particular." - Nasen Saadi, in my opinion, had this deeply held rage,
as the judge pointed out, but he had created it entirely himself. He was completely, in his mind, a victim of circumstances,
but those circumstances were firmly created one aggressive message at a time by himself.
So he built himself this prison, this isolation that he didn't have to live in. Instead of trying to deescalate those feelings,
he instead took it out on these two women. - "You developed an obsessional fascination with violence,
horror, crime, and the mind of those who kill, and a deep-seated urge for revenge against society."
KERRY DAYNES: Nasen Saadi, I believe, wanted to become a serial killer, and had he got away with his attacks on Amie and Leanne,
that is potentially what he might have become. JUSTICE CUTTS: "In Dr. Ruthenberg's view,
you identified yourself with the mind of a killer because you wished to feel the power of which you
felt society had robbed you by rejecting and humiliating you. The idea of being recognized as a dangerous killer
became appealing to you." - I think the society that we live in has almost put them
on this pop culture pedestal. Even though they are seen as aberrant and perverse,
they're also viewed as sexy, even, sometimes, on occasion, and people of note. And I think that that is very attractive to young men who
doubt themselves, doubt their place in the world, or inadequate. [grim music] - "You have found life difficult by reason
of your autistic traits. I accept Dr. Ruthenberg's conclusion that this impaired your judgment,
and that once you had considered it appropriate to kill another, you would have seen it through.
Nasen Saadi, for the murder of Amie Gray, I sentence you to life imprisonment. You will serve a minimum term of 39 years and 64 days."
[solemn music] - Nasen Saadi has not been able to fulfill his loverboy fantasies in the real world,
and he feels powerless as a result of that. And who has the power over him? Well, of course, it's women and girls.
They have the power to reject him. They have the power to make him feel small about himself,
and he wants to take that power and control back. So he has identified being a killer as a way to do this.
He thinks that being a killer is going to be the ultimate experience of dominating and
having power over a woman, and I think that the girls on the beach represented all the women and girls in the world
at that point for Nasen Saadi. [theme music]

A misguided misogynist, Nasen Saadi, vents hatred on a crowded beach, stabbing women to punish imagined rejection.

Murder in Mind explores the psychological forces that drive people to murder.

Brief Summary

Nasen Saadi's violent behavior led to the murder of Amie Gray and attempted murder of Leanne Miles in Bournemouth, driven by rejection and obsession with power.

Key points

A Killer on the Loose. The community is on edge as a killer is reported to be on the loose.
Nasen's Fragile Masculinity. Nasen Saadi's struggle with masculinity leads to troubling behavior.
Escalation of Aggression. Nasen's messaging to girls escalates from compliments to aggression.
Police Response Frustration. A mother expresses frustration over the police's handling of her daughter's harassment case.
Nasen's Dark Fascination. Nasen's interest in criminology raises red flags about his intentions.
The Murder of Amie Gray. Nasen Saadi brutally attacked Amie Gray and Leanne Miles on a moonlit beach.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

Six minutes doesn’t sound like a long time, but it’s an awfully long time.

Reflecting on the duration of a violent attack.

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Tension

85/ 100High tension

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