The Execution of Hamida Djandoubi (with Special Guests Alvin & Fran From Affirmative Murder Podcast) | Forensic Files

hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and I'm Alvin and I'm Fran L and this is morbid with a little
[Music] crossover affirmative murder is here man first of all I have to let you guys
know that we're bring you in behind Theo the closed curtain we're going to open that curtain up like whiz um you guys
are fulfilling something for me and Fran we've been beefing for years now I guess
years whenever I came on and guested had a great time but uh Fran wasn't able to
make it for scheduling reasons and he's been holding it over my head for since that time has happened he's been very
aggressive and saying all kind of passive aggressive things we've come to blows almost several times so it feels
good to get a redo and have the full quartet here and so I want to say thank you FR please speak and let the people
know that you're real it's yeah I am real uh it's it's an honor to be on here with you guys I would say the queens of
True Crime podcasting oh my God thank you yeah so um I got turn think the last time yeah I think the last time Alvin
maybe hired somebody to like flat my tire so I couldn't come prove that's why I didn't make I'm happy I'm happy to be
here though we're happy to have you guys I love that's what as soon as we got on I was
like Fran is here like the whole we get to meet Fran the whole crew is here we had so much fun collabing with Alvin
last time but we were like we we need a Fran something felt like it was missing a little bit this is full this is let's
blame it on him we'll blame it on Alvin this took a turn I did not expect Alvin why don't you just
go be by myself let's just get out of here first we're in my house so so I will not be forced out of my home this
way um but yes again like like France said thank you guys for having us it's uh great to see you guys again um always
a great time having the conversation with you guys individually and together I know that's been so fun too I know
we've done a couple of those over the years yeah so um yeah yeah you guys are you guys are cool peeps we tried so are
you right back at you yeah this a Beau family right now why don't you get out of here turn back on my
side we can all be in this together we're a family here stop arguing no the kids arguing uh but we you know what
we've got something kind of wild to talk about today and I'm really excited about
it a little bit because it's different than what we we've done on our show yeah I felt I felt like you guys would enjoy
a conversation about a medieval tool of um execution and how things come to an end you know some one day people just
stopped planking like one day a guy did a plank and then everybody was like oh that's not in anymore that's not cool
and so this is the execution version of that I felt like this is It's always cool it's interesting to see when Trends
you know subside and this happened in in this case with the guillotine you know like Tik Tock sounds go out of style
yeah stop they're like why you using that sound don't use that sound skinny jeans same exact that dog going hell no
hell no it's got like a couple more weeks left you know and then someday somebody's going to do that and they
like no that anymore you're old yeah gross this is the exact same thing and I think so what we're going to
be talking about today and you're going to be able to hear Fran and Alvin tell this story for the most part which is
great because you're going to hear what amazing storytellers there are and it's going to make you want to listen to this
and then jump right over to their feed and start gobbling up everything that they have to offer so that's up to you
guys of course but we do have a podcast called affirmative murder so if you like
what we do here come come check us out there's more there's room for you on the train it's trains trains podcast of
trains yeah yeah I like trains TRS are good we're the conductors trains planes automobiles yes
boats however you get recommend it we don't transp say we're we're not going to force you over there but we are
highly suggesting by like shoving you as hard as we can over there yes but gently
you'll love it yeah that's all you need to know so should we just should we go should we get into so let's let's
go let's do this like little John okay um so let's start with like the history of the guillotine right let's yes so the
guillotine Inception guys like many things in modern history is steeped in like rich white man smoking mirrors so
one day this guy named um his name was Joseph ignis Guillotine this was in 1789 he comes into a room and he's all
like which that was actual audio from that moment actually yeah we sourced it yeah
very rare audio yes exactly that was a archival archival audio yes from the French Parliament um but basically what
he said was hey guys like the way we're killing people is super like barbaric and uh gross and torturous and we need
to like streamline this clean things up let's get more inundated in the future and leave that stuff in the past and
then left the room and two less socially important people poor people then did all the hard work and invented the
actual Guillotine more specifically their names were Tobias Schmidt and Antoine Louie so but the the device is
called the guillotine named after the rich guy named Joseph ignis Guillotine who just had an
idea like Loosely about cleaning up how people die and then they were like how about this and he's like that's fine put
my name on it absolutely put my name and I'll trademark it and patent it as well
so he wanted to make something that's more barbaric and gross like quicker oh no I
would I would disagree anybody who wants to look up like the Western European modes of of killing people before the
guillotine straight up some of the craziest things I've ever heard of there was one there was a chair like a metal
chair that they would just put over fire and the chair would get really hot and then you just would burn to death on the
chair you wouldn't die so then it's like everything basically before this was like we torture you for a long time and
then we hit you over the head with a mallet yeah cuz you don't die just we just torture you really bad they had
another one they tie you to a we put you out yeah they're like all breaking on the rack that was was that breaking on
the rack and they like break your butt like misery one by one just like like slow as [ __ ] turn you into like a
scorpion essentially like and then I feel like I feel that when we talk about it it's aw and it's like you stole some
bread to the rack you go and then the rack wouldn't kill you and then they would like let the B the birds eat you
slowly also I read that they would either also they would hit you in your chest with a hammer or your stomach
because these were fatal blows but over time so like I think we burst your appendix when we hit you with this
hammer in the stomach so now after you break all your bones you'll die in like three days from like stomach stach they
were like sepsis yeah exactly that'll kill you you'll die eventually yeah um but so but it's kind of it's kind of
weird hearing the name now where it's like we know his name but it being named after the machine that was like
beheading people is kind of is is crazy to yeah like if somebody name was like name was like n or something
exactly new Simmons wait what yeah you're like whoa wait a second but yes Guillotine
you think of the action and it's like no it's just some guy had IDE guy name yeah
and some people say it Guillotine when I was younger everyone said Guillotine and
then it like switched over into Guillotine I feel like yeah cuz we have this conversation all the time like how
do you really say I like float back and forth sometimes I'll RT to Guillotine I think it might be I say Guillotine
though and I always have yeah I might have made this up I have impost syndrome so I'm like it it's French and I'm like
I'm gonna say it French but if I was just being myself I would say guillotin there's who else yeah right I mean
that's how it looks they both feel right yeah I don't think either is wrong I don't either it's di all right yeah if
it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck it's a [ __ ] duck so shut the [ __ ] up you know absolutely certainly
it's a guillotine they weren't calling it Gilly Gilly Hicks there you go that's a very deep cut reference I don't know
if anybody shout at Gilly Hicks I used to work I wor I worked in the ab cromie umbrella so I was you knowell yeah shout
out to shout out to G gy Hicks G tvt shout to G no but as we all said all jokes aside though the guy even though
he just had an idea the idea was you know steeped in some level of dignity and not torturing people so the
criminals of French of France's past should really thank this guy cuz like I said the stuff was very torturous it was
it was could have been worse yeah you could have been melted on a chair for like punching your friend yeah from the
butt up but up which is way worse so um the guillotin or Guillotine went on to become the symbol of the
French re Revolution because the people saw it as this great equalizer because of the you know the ideas behind its
Inception people believe that whether you were royalty or you came from the lowest of the low the guillotine was the
great equalizer like everybody who commits the same crimes they die by the guillotine and this was enforced by the
fact that uh Louis the 16th and his wife Marie Antoinette ever heard of her Queen
literally literally um she they were both beheaded during the French Revolution like the people revolted
against them and cut their heads off in a in Mutiny damn and um they were kind of like the Taylor Swift and Travis
Kelce of the 17th century I would say so they kind of were you know they were they were they were the it couple until
until the ties until they weren't everybody loved them until they did it everybody loved Maria anet had
great gowns and she was like super trendy until the Super Bowl so you know we'll see how the Super
Bowl goes but um hopefully doesn't end the way that Marie Antonette and Lou and Louis went we can all hope we can all
hope yeah it would it would be a more interesting Super Bowl but be different in a different way in a different way in
a very different way so um it would hit a little different it would hit very it would hit very
different very true um for the next hundred years though the guillotine shined as a symbol of France's
altruistic and dignified stance on capital punishment and over time the public sentiment towards the execution
style for highest crimes it started to shift and this really kind of really really took place in during World War II
when Adolf Hitler was killing thousands of people publicly using the guillotine but it was more it was malicious he just
if you dissented against the regime of of Adolf Hitler he would behead you publicly so really people were like oh
this isn't this um equaling force in the cast system is just the torture device the idea that the pr team around uh the
guillotine when it first came out was super strong it was like Steve Jobs level where they're like this are we
cutting your head off yeah but like it's it's got Wi-Fi got Wii this thing has Bluetooth like wo
this is revolutionary like this is next level stuff it's like you're cutting off
somebody's head and it falls in the basket so like you can wear a button-up shirt while it happens so this is
dignify what song do you want to go out to we all can watch this publicly it's super clean nobody gets blood on them
because it's so fast it cuts the head off it goes in the baskets we can all be we can all go to like a nice classy
dinner after this yeah your but it's a barbaric tool that slices off your head and falls in the basket that's what it's
always been but then when Hitler started using it people were like this is nasty
actually it's not the dignified tool that we thought it was was it's like it was always this gross thing that's but
I'm glad you know now yeah at least we're starting to have conversations now around capital punishment and you know
and those kind of things but it took kind of the turn of the century you know the Industrial Age people driving cars
and stuff to go slicing off people's heads in public is wrong kind of fun kind of
gnarly it's a little hardcore know so look at us as humans just takes us a minute look us go yeah upon reflection I
don't think I'd like to see somebody's head cut off in broad daylight I'd like to go to the cinema yeah now that they
think about it so just a couple decades removed from World War II the nation of France was so
far from the barbaric stances that they had so long ago that this idea of a falling blade being this distinguished
uh decent way of killing people was now starting to be um the subject of conversations in France and all across
Western Europe because Europe did do in a lot of countries in Europe um did away
with capital punishment long before the United States did because we also didn't
federally in the United States we still do that so yeah yeah so but a lot of countries in in Western Europe don't
kill people as a form of punishment um but yeah this became an outdated Concept in France um during the 40s and 50s and
60s it started to become like this conversation that was had like should we be doing this if we really are the
dignified people that we say we are is killing people in the first place to even dignified at all it's like a maybe
not perhaps not not yeah like it that might not be that chill it was that kind it was the 60s they're like you know
what that's not chill that's super not chill we're moving into a chill Vibe Century here got to leave some stuff
behind let's calm down so all of that backstory brings us to the final time a state sanction G guillotining or
guillotining took place in France which was in the year 1977 hilariously in a sense the same
year that Star Wars and New Hope came out so there was wow um this really big leap in
technology as far as movies go and also France was still like we cut head off yeah we C people yeah yeah when you put
those two events together you're like at the same time at the same damn time crazy like the the idea of such an old
form of torture yeah being still used while you know uh my boy Harrison Ford is doing this thing looking super Lan in
those in those boot cut uh black pants those goutos hell yeah yeah just bounce a qu you could bounce a court off that
thing so uh so um anyway yes this is the story of Hamid Hamid jandu who was the last man to be killed in France by the
method of guillotine fun fact as we discussed before we went um live mics with you
guys the last public guillotining uh actually took place in 1939 when a serial killer named Eugene Weidman was
beheaded in front of a crowd of hundreds damn a crowd of like 600 people gathered
4 hours early early they were passing out sausage sandwiches people were like they were get they were like doing the
wave they were cheering Super Bowl coella this was yes this was M this was Coachella
Coachella stands out there this was Coachella 1939 my seat they were 4 hours early the the be the beheading took
place at 4:00 a.m. so we out there at midnight Dam wow people were on shoulders one people they picked out
their outfits ahead of time exact people yeah people were wearing up medieval like it is straight up like from the
1600s like and it's 1939 like that is wild everybody wearing like super like flowery headdresses and yeah it was it
was a very big fashion moment like what wearing yeah Lana Del re was there in a past life yes Del Immortal Spirit Lana
Del she's she's a thousand years old and she was at this cuz of course she would
be Lana is always a ghost in a white dress always she always Christopher Lee was actually at that one who Christopher
Lee from Star Wars and Dracula and Lord of the Rings he was at the he was at this he was 17 years old and he was
actually at that one the 1939 one yes and he said he didn't look he said he at the last second he said he heard it
though oh yeah he said it was like Wilds oh you heard it heard it oh my goodness
probably like a crunch or something crazy I know no but here in like the membrane of
the spine head oh it's true like if it's like if they used like a um a narel CO razor probably it should be sharp but
then you hear a thump you hear that thumb if it was a bck you'd hear everything use sponsored by B this this
one this is the last public one it was sponsored by big it was sponsored yeah the documentary is coming out soon was
the how the the it failed the event like like the wood like wood stock a great sponsoring opportunity like big
ruin everything the guy didn't that's why Gillette is the best the man can get because they did not fall for this yeah
but so um so this last this last one this last public one people were going crazy the the the beheading took place
at like 4:00 a.m. and people lost their [ __ ] they were throwing their sausage sandwiches they were living for the
moment ah more and the French government was so embarrassed that they were like we are never doing this again so it took
a crowd out can't no it's not even outrage they were the crowd was so excited and ravenous that the French
government was it disgusted at itself and was like we're not doing this anymore you guys are having too much fun
you guys having too much fun too much fun at this party Dancing Yeah they were the French they were the fun police they
were the front police these people had a blast man they were you know they they were losing their [ __ ] they were
throwing stuff like they lost their mind it wasn't like the people lost their mind at this barbaric incident it was so
sick and awesome the French government was like this is d you people are animals and we are taking
this away from you because we thought you guys would be disgusted and you guys are too excited it's over now it's
supposed to be a lesson you're supposed to learn a lesson you're supposed to learn a lesson you're supposed to walk
away from this like you shouldn't steal like you know what it was they were like
we see that you were all humans and that humans are terrible and we don't ever want to see that again yeah we'd like to
Pretend We're not this way this is why the government exists to protect the people from themselves yes the
government makes the decisions that the people would never make because your guys are animals so which is pretty
horrifying it's really horrifying yeah somebody left that was like I'm going to frame a dude for thievery tomorrow so
that they can another one tomorrow it's gonna be awesome I [ __ ] hate my neighbor go let's frame him and then
he'll be beheaded publicly cuz we look back at these like public executions from like you know King Henry VII and
all that [ __ ] and we're like oh my God people were like bringing their kids to
this they were just like coming out for this like this bent people were so terrible back then and then were like
1939 we're all like woo listen to on radio guy when everybody got on like you know
um leader hosen and those big man sparkly dresses I don't like what William Shakespeare's always depicted in
when I see them in those I'm like yeah those people got beheaded but when you see somebody in like a a suit yeah see
people wear those kind of Suits got somebody with a pocket watch and a and a big bow tie was like and like a
pompadoras and they were like let's go to the beheading brush their teeth hygiene was a thing exactly you know
also off topic a little bit I was having a discussion with my girlfriend the other day and we were talking about how
that 50 Shades of Gray moment like we all just kind of look back on that or we did look back on it and was like people
were going to the movie theaters and droves to like watch smut yeah like like like the it was sold
out like this weekend you can't get a ticket to go see 50 Shades and there's just a bunch of people in the audience
being like Oh my just watching were United when you look back on it that's really weird to do
was like it's wild elbow to Elbow with a stranger just being like in heat that's
crazy you know so like people are going to look back on that someday like what were these people doing this is this is
a dirty we a weird species of people Gathering to watch fan people people have are really something something to
we don't get better we just get weirder we just get different carp to a guillotine is is it's nuts man eating a
sausage sandwich while somebody's getting their head cut off his and that's a real thing like the sausage
sandwich thing is a real thing yeah the shops there there was two shops right there in the Town Square that were like
we got to load up on sausage sandwiches cuz there's going to be a a packed crowd
tonight they were they had that'll change you and there were waiters like joking around so was money to be made
vendors there's vendors out there like popcorn get your popcorn it's straight up medieval oh yeah as hell but it was
1939 1939 so uh let's get back to this guy named jamid Jan dubie the the man in question so jamid jandie was born on
September 22nd 1949 he was actually born in Tunisia which I have not been to but
when I looked up pictures it's gorgeous it's like a coastal city it's like a coastal country in Northern Africa it's
um got beautiful Waters it almost kind of looks like Greece but um there is a um travel ow warning or travel advisory
about like there's like a high crime at the moment but it's a beautiful I mean you look up the I couldn't find a bad
picture of it oh it's gorgeous yeah this this is gorgeous no this is Gorge I want
to go yeah so I guess what for whatever reason by the time Hamid was 20 years old he was like [ __ ] all this blue water
and Sun yeah yeah listen I had a great time when I went to France but it is pretty dirty it looks like New York is
it yeah yeah like all the pictures that you see are lies yeah Li propagandas prop it's just New York
every restaurant down by the Eiffel Tower sucks like they're all like they want you to leave quickly cuz it's t
it's touristy so you really got to go outside it's like it's like New York you got you don't go to Time Square okay
that's true yeah no you got go there's a word for that like when you go to Paris
and you get disappointed cuz it's like it's like a thing a lot of people experience I'm gonna google it keep
going and I'll just cck yeah it's it's yeah the the French disappointment if you go with a tourist mindset if you
don't if you go and you're like oh I went on Tik Tok and I was like places the locals go I had a great time okay
but the the Lou uh the Eiffel Tower all these things you're never goingon to get
close to the Mona Lisa you're you're the Eiffel Tower you look at it but it was closed like you couldn't go in it
because they were doing construction everything is just like but beautiful people great shops and if you go to the
places where the locals go it's a cool City but it is dirty um great public trans it's called Paris syndrome by the
way it's a thing there you go people get hallucinations increased heart rate nausea cuz they're so disappointed damn
were you that disappointed yeah really you're like wait I thought that like this was like amale everybody thinks
it's amale yeah everybody thinks it's that they're like it's gonna be like a romantic beautiful dream yeah so it's
it's never that it's just never that um but anyway so Hamid had moved to France by the time he was 20 years old and he
was living and working in France as a stock boy at a grocery store he also had a job as a landscaper but in 1971 he
suffered an accident on the job one of Jam's legs was caught in a tractor crushing it horribly and causing him
lose 2/3 of his right leg oh that's a lot of your leg that's a lot of your leg that's almost all of it pretty much all
of it yeah but I like see what they did in that um remember that two that um two-part movie thing that came out with
Rose McGowan when she made it a gun oh yes the grind house he lost about that much of his leg like up most of up up to
quad got about that movie yeah well that was a really bold idea for like 2 a double feature horror forgot about
that like I'm not sitting in the movie for five hours crazy now I'd love it but AK47 AK AK-47 leg damn yeah and it it
was that was a ah when movies are just I like when movies are silly it's like how
does she pull the trigger with like her like what pulls the Trigg who knows who knows it's movie Magic and that's I love
when movies do that like don't ask questions there's this this lady has a gun as leg that's awesome just happens
whenever the theme of a movie is don't worry about it that's when I love it like when you ask a question you just go
don't worry about it deal with it yeah you don't ask questions just enjoy what's happening take the red yeah so
yeah so unfortunately Hamid did lose about two-thirds of his likes and he did not get a cool gun like he just they
gave him a prosthetic eventually um he struggled to find work for years after this accident and this is when he
started to take up drinking and using controlled substances and in 1973 he met a young woman named Elizabeth bisquet
okay that's elegant name like it's a very elegant name yeah sidebar I am ashamed at how long I did call biscuits
bisquettes bisquet bisat um I think you should still call biscuits you should be
it's the same thing as what was the other word we were talking about as Guillotine it like biscuit and I that's
I call my dog my dog name is biscuit so bis bis or at least bis fancy why not you know think outside the
box I'm just saying think I'm just telling people if you if you take nothing else from affirmative murder
know that hey to think outside the box over there yeah romanticize everyday life exactly you know biset a bisquet
have a nice bisquet some tea yeah um so so these two met while Hamid was recovering in the hospital from an
amputation because at first he lost the leg but then he had to have a couple of amputation surgery to kind of clean it
up and you know all that kind of stuff get it get it where it needed to be um and while he was sitting in the hospital
he met Elizabeth bisquet but not long after meeting Elizabeth filed a complaint against Jan dubie alleging
that he tried to force her into into prostitution so yeah which is horrifying to think about he's just being taken
care of by this because she's like a nurse yeah she comes and checks on the patients yeah and he's trying to force
her into sex work it's like how where did those two things connect how did this happen that's he's down and out and
he's still this evil like that's scary oh that's yeah when somebody's in their darkest time they're still like how can
I manipulate and exploit people like that who really like this person is trying to be nice to you while you're
not even more than half your leg is gone and while they're talking you're like I'm gonna [ __ ] manipulate and just
trick you so bad that's really I'm going try to ruin your life yeah dark wow that's dark sided I'm going I'm going to
Gaslight and destroy your life whether they're just like you need a spongebath can I help you that's a really evil
person that they darkest yeah that's dark sided yeah I tell you what if if if uh Obi-Wan Kenobi
had looked down on Anakin Skywalker while he was all burnt up on that lava mountain and and he said like one day
I'm going to be a Super Evil dude and kill everybody I think he would have killed him at the time he like you have
that pity you're like I'm here to help I'm here to help you you're down on your luck and but if you knew in his mind
he's like oh I'm gonna human traffic you you'd be like oh God like oh [ __ ] that
yeah you're Terri a no yeah so he fell down that classic um tractor accident to sex trafficking Predator pipeline you
know it's an easy one to fall into you know absolutely right we've all heard of Y yada yada sex trafficker that's what
his like that's what his defense tried to use yeah they were like that exact you know how this happens yeah it's like
um I don't know if that was going to work not so much I ruptured my Achilles Like 5 years ago and I was super bummed
out never thought about committing horrible crimes against people though you know what I mean was that little
yeah what did I do I smoked the little weed and I watched Spider-Man into the spiderverse think about that's how you
handle that I'm gonna like make Girl Scouts sell cookies for me without giving them the money to get their
prizes like my brain never cooked up some kind of crazy never got there scheme I was not
scheming so um Jan dub was arrested for um her filing a complaint against him but he was released not long after
because it was a complaint there was nothing nothing criminal to charge him with uh upon his release though Hamid
lured two other young girls to his apartment and forced them into prostitution for his financial benefit
and it's actually really interesting the times uh in France like if if anybody's
seen Mulan Rouge this was the time of The Madam like there was a lot of like brothel and madams and there was one
Madam in particular I I didn't write her name down but she was the most famous Madam and her um her signature was she
would make all of the women that she forced into sex work get plastic surgery like immediately like she would get them
under her control and then get make them have plastic surgery it was like that was like her stamp and this is plastic
surgery in like the 1970s it's not awesome surgeries but it's like you all get it and yeah and so in France this
was a very popular brothel and madams and all these things and so he kind of tried to follow that same pathway but he
was using his apartment and um he he wasn't good at it but he was still a man who was manipulating women he was still
making women be under his control but that was his idea when you he couldn't get a job as a stock boy he's like I'll
become a pimp or whatever you call yeah that in French so like I said Jan dubie is now seeing himself as some kind of a
pimp and his arrogance as a man didn't let him let go of the fact that Elizabeth bis had filed a complain
against him so for the next year he fixated on the fact that she wasn't under his control she didn't fall for
his tricks or lies or whatever and become one of his um uh women or whatever um and they called him um uh
lorett that's the French word for um a sex worker that works yeah at the time like um there's lorett and then there is
what was Satine and Mulan that's why I brought up Mulan R she was a a ctis a cortis ctis is like you work you work
with one specific John and they kind of fund your lifestyle where Lorette is what you think of a sex worker like a a
rotating cast of people that you know so that was a Lorette but a a cortison is more like oh I I have a rich a rich
dignitary takes care of me yeah but but they all work at a a broel form atam it's just different levels of it I guess
um but yeah so he sees himself as as this but he's still you know Elizabeth bisque is in the back of his mind is
this the one that got away the one that tried to put him in prison he can't let it go he fixates on it until July of 19
so scary that he fixated that long yeah he just couldn't let it go oh that's so scary that's yeah that's evil well men
are scary you know and that's one thing as a man in True Crime you don't really as a man not in True Crime if you don't
have conversations with women you don't really know how scary men are when you're a man but when you when you hear
a woman go like oh walking down the street like what men are thinking about like all of these things are like
they're all they all can be dangerous to somebody you know but you never look at
it that way of course a woman's Roman Empire is being killed yeah for sure yeah it's like it's and it's and it's
probably you think by a man like some guy that's your Instagram or go to the gym as them and just some guy just like
I like you now could be anybody those are my feel it's like how you feel doesn't have anything to do with that
right yeah well I followed you to your car cuz I want your number oh yeah Y and that that's fine I don't
want to give it to you but like I want it though that's scary I don't think of that as that's just not an experience
I've had in my life as a in my in my younger years I've had some aggressive women be like well give me your phone
number but I wasn't never like terrified yeah you a weird lady yeah like no you know
and I think that's hard a hard concept for a lot of men to be like why don't you just say no it's like well
intimidation fear you know like it's a lot of things cuz you don't want to piss a man off
yeah and sometimes people do say no and it it doesn't then the bad things happen
faster you know yeah so I mean you can't even really take a walk or a jog alone as a woman anymore like you can't like I
would love to take a jog in the morning like early morning with like music on but I could never do that like my
husband's like absolutely not like you're not going by yourself like if you want to go for a walk your husband has
to go with you he has to come so you can't have like aone time to like just zone out to like music yeah with your
cute pink headphones like that that's I remember telling I told Alvin I went to Myrtle Beach maybe a couple years ago
and it was a we was out mini golfing and there was a young lady went for a jog it
was like maybe like nine o'clock at night she had headphones on I was like oh my
God I it kind of made me scar like that's crazy she's drunking by herself late at night I mean I'm not from mle
Beach but that's still terrifying yeah yeah you're like worried for her right ex be careful I've had we we have had
many conversations where we're just casually talking and we're like um I got the airpod Maxes last year and
I'm like you hit the button and everybody goes away I don't know what's going on I don't know like you have that
conversation like that button is for men yes that's exactly you're like I'm like
I hit this button I you could come hit me in the back of the head with a bat I couldn't know what just we're like but
we're like that's awesome that's so awesome that I have no idea what's going on in my surroundings when I hit this
button I'm like Yellen can you hear me you can't you just see my lips moving awesome I have no idea what's happening
and that's the freedom of a man to be like you could just like turn off your guard yes yes it's so true cuz we have
those two and we were doing that we're like whoa I can't hear you at all and I was like I could never wear these
outside of the house no I would never hit this button if I wasn't in the safety of my home no never even with the
button off I'm like should I be wearing these yeah I'm like I shouldn't wear these outside they're gonna think I
can't hear them um so yeah so like I said um Hamid Jan duie fixated on Elizabeth bisquet
for a year until in 1974 he kidnapped her and brought her to his home my God now his home acting as some kind of
makesh brothel he had the other the other two young ladies were still there they all lived together and he brings
her in to the home he beat Elizabeth in full view of the terrified girls and even went as far as to um put out lit
cigarettes on her body so this was very very like vindictive and evil fightful years I mean days and days of and weeks
of thinking and fixating on her and and he didn't take it he took his time in getting his revenge yeah on her wow yeah
he straight up tortured her yeah really yeah really horrible and also to do it in front of the two other women that
were under the control of his sex trafficking ring was also intentional as well probably trying to prove a point
see what happens absolutely like this will happen to you if you try to go to flex his his muscle a little bit y so
bisquet actually survived the ordeal but after the torture Hamid drove her to the
outskirts of Marseilles another lovely Town beautiful beautiful city and um but he strangled her on the outskirts of
Marseilles um he then returned from the brutal murder and Jen dubie warned the other two girls not to say anything
about what they had seen or else you know that whole imp implications thing there's the intimidation but on July 7th
1974 Elizabeth bis's body was discovered in a shed and the investigation by the police was launched however though Jan
dubie was so arrogant that he moved on from that immediately and not more than a couple of days later he went back out
to try to kidnap another young girl with the intention of forcing her into his sex trafficking rings he was looking to
get a third woman into his sex trafficking ring but the young lady managed to flee probably because she ran
so she got away she gets away and um she filed a police report against the police
and they went and arrested him but they arrested him again for a a complaint basically which is what Elizabeth
bisquet filed against him so he was arrested but during the time that he was in holding they actually brought him up
on charges for the murder of Elizabeth bisquet so thankfully they were able to connect the dots because he was a human
trafficker what his were and then they put that together with how Elizabeth bqu was killed and also read something that
the two women once he was arrested came forward and gave their accounts as well yeah so it was like kind of put it all
together in that moment but thank you know he could have been let out on a whatever the way he was leted out when
you know he threatened Elizabeth bisquet so thankfully he wasn't and thank goodness those other two women were able
to talk about what happened to them because sometimes they break them so hard that they don't even feel like they
can speak out against yeah they probably saw it as like their opportunity like we
have to do this while he's incarcerated yeah yeah exactly that's that I think that's what happened I think they like
this is our moment to to get him yeah so um yeah so after two and a half years of
sitting in prison on February 24th 1977 amid jandie appeared in court on charges
of torture murder rape and premeditated violence his defense as Elena alluded to
was that the tragic loss of two-thirds of his leg drove him to a period of alcohol abuse and violence which
transformed him into a different person and that different person just happened to be a human trafficker and it's like
okay then we're going to imprison that different person that you are today that different person you're going
going to the now yeah cuz plenty of people go through that and don't do what he did like come on that's the shittiest
defense ever it is it's like he lost his leg Yeah to try to [ __ ] uh weaponize mental illness like that to be like I
was going through a time of Darkness exactly and I became a full-blown criminal yeah it's like all right should
be just let free like there's other ways to like deal with your you know not having a job and I'm listen if you go
through a tragic accident and your life has changed forever if I ruptured my achilles in 1977 I would have a limp for
the rest of my life thankfully modern science is you know you can get a surgery and now I can play basketball
again and I can run and everything but if I was now a person who walked different mhm and couldn't work the same
job that I did that would affect me mentally that's no excuse to start absolutely not ruining people's lives
and kidnapping people and stuff saying go to go go to therapy the things that therapy can resolve you'll be amazed by
it's wild any other Outlet than hurting other human beings or yourself yeah anything else yeah you know hurt they
say you know everybody El goes hurt people hurt people like no don't just let's not let's not just normalize that
like exact that's an excuse I know say it like that's a bad thing but hurt people can do other things yeah hurt
people go to therapy that's the 2024 slogan hurt people go to therapy exactly so the very next day um so this would be
February 25th Hamid jandie was sentenced to death like they they heard they heard
all they needed to hear his defense said their [ __ ] that they said they were like you're not wasting time okay yeah
yeah yeah alcohol abuse guilty still guilty they went and deliberated for a cool 45 minutes and uh
they came back with that death uh by guillotine verdict damn and uh after a denied appeal Hamido was also informed
that he would not receive a rep a reprieve from the then president of France so he was but no way he thought
he was like sitting was like oh oh man he was like he's GNA come through I know it if president H can
send if he sends that reprieve I'll be good to go I'll be golden you know and and the president did not do that
n that's not president ha style H does not play like that President H was like no
no no Homie don't play that the one thing about President H he doesn't like guys that do what he did so he was like
he does mess around no reprieve for you he said H uh H said uhuh so um so the president of France
denied a reprieve uh for Hamida and in the early morning of September 10th 1977 12 days before his 28th birthday am
jandu God 28 he was only 27 28 years old so he was W he didn't make it to 28 he was 27 years old 50 years old now this
is a young a young boy I mean by the time he was 20 he was working at the stock place he his injury happened by
the time he was like 23 years old so between 23 and 27 he had a life as a scummy human trafficker he literally my
age he literal be that's crazy and now he's sitting at the Gallows man crazy times being there with a guy holding a a
curtain rod or whatever the string is to drop a [ __ ] a big razor on your neck and they walk you past that wicker
basket that your headless body is going to be placed into like you just you just
Breeze right by it I'm like that to me they said he was like really trying to buy time he smoking cigarettes drinking
they told him like that's enough he was really so many cigarettes yeah in a glass I like I
think he had like three cigarettes in a glass of water and he I don't blame him though I mean like he was taking those R
too he was like I'm going to he was taking those you got a Gillette razor just staring at you and you're like oh
this is the end that last meal oh the last meal you can see and you see somebody like Swing Swing swingp
sharpening the knife is like oh yeah I'll have everything literally everything take me to the buffet like
cuz you think about it and you're like when I finish this cigarette that's the last thing I do that is it or if I take
this last sip that's the last thing I do I would want to be like a little tipsy they they would to fight me they had to
pull that cigarette no I'm not done you got it after the cigarette pull that from me the filter
they spray it they they spray it and put the fire out put it out yeah oh my God oh my God it's so stressful to think
about yeah that's a lot to reconcile oh it's like it's coming to an end yeah and
then yeah like and then like this is the bucket your head was going to fall in and uh so like here's the basket that
will put your headless body in he has white gloves on like this is oh yeah he's real real classy the guy he's a
real classy guy he's got ass G's gloves on he's like and here's your here's your
head basket's clubs cuz I think Eugene Weidman there the guy the last public execution there in uh 39 he when they
walked him out his eyes were closed the whole he didn't want to look at anything
he just squeezed his eyes shut the whole time and I was like oh yeah I would be the same way I don't want to see that I
don't want to look at this I wouldn't either that's where my head is going to fall you bump into the basket they're
like this is a g this is a second generation Guillotine yeah they start taking you through like it's a Winnebago
they're like this is uh Guillotine 2.0 yeah we really streamline things this is a titanium string that it falls from
like this vicious serial killer is reduced into like closing his eyes his eyes shut like a kid like it's just like
I know it for a second I was like a and then I was like wait a second wait a second this guy yeah yeah too many
emotions that part is kind of when you talk about it being the great equalizer yeah when you talk about somebody being
this horrible thing person that did this horrible thing and then them being it brings you right down yeah in that
moment them being scared absolutely it's like no matter who you are or what you did when you see that in the basket and
the thing everybody's the it's the same reaction you know no one's looking at that stoically no it's not happening no
no no no I you know Marie Antonette was so um flustered and and [ __ ] up and scared it was they they killed Mar and
tette for a lot of [ __ ] up reasons it was yeah really [ __ ] up but she apologized to the guy that did the thing
like cuz she stepped on his shoes she was so flustered like she didn't know like you know what what to do she
apologized to him for stepping on the shoes that was her last word like meanwhile you're going to be cutting my
head off in a second but I'm sorry I stepped on your shoes yeah I was like sorry I got scuffed up your shoes on
sorry you just like I who knows what I would say yeah did I leave the pot did I leave the pot on I don't yeah like oh
don't don't don't record that like don't I don't want that laugh it's so gross yeah it's crazy man so um yeah September
10th 1977 12 days before his 28th birthday H jand dubi was guillotined at the bomt prison in Marseilles shortly
after 440 a.m. and like I said there's really like no better City I can think of that to be killed in because it's a
beautiful city you look up pictures of Marse gorgeous but oh really yeah it really a nice sight to see before is
nice like to see when you looking out that window like a I picture like a hunchback in Notre Dame style like I
think every prison in Europe is made of bricks and then they have like bars and you look and you look out and you see
the beautiful coast of Marseilles it's like oh wow for the last time and then and then
they take you off to slice yeah slice your head off now there is some debate as to whether a person is still alive
even briefly after a beheading and um some Physicians have done studies um in the last century that show brain
activity in animals like rats and stuff for like up to 30 seconds so but they say this could be a reaction to the pain
receptors from uh the quick slicing like it could just be the pain receptors reacting as far as blinking and stuff
that people said they seen heads do in baskets this is has been seen in like R people being bit by rattlesnakes that
have been beheaded or like I have a friend um she uh in bombs she she works at a funeral home and she said the dead
bodies they sigh Elena can you they do I can't attest to that that does happen because air will be forced out sometimes
and it'll wow and a a little bit of like a moan will come with it sometimes because it's just like a trapped moment
almost that rocked my spine when she when she told me that that no that's [ __ ] up that'll rock your [ __ ] when
you're alone in a BK luckily I think I'll never find myself in that position so that's terrible and she they warned
me ahead of time of that thankfully because when it happened I was like and I was like okay all right I know what
that is and she said it was like melancholic like it's very much like it is yeah it's a very sad like it's like a
little like you're B is like is there like different tones to like it being a male and female or is just yeah it can
be and it's like different when like different methods of it coming out like sometimes when you cut sometimes the air
just escapes so like it'll just be like a no when you're that that in in that moment oh God certain air will escape in
certain so it's it's interesting W get this over I didn't know that that when you
cut even yeah just like there's certain ways when you're like manipulating a body if there's trapped air somewhere
it's coming out so it is controversial but anyways it is possible that am Jan dubie sat with his head in that basket
reflecting on his life for like 30 seconds before the curtains faded you know those curtains closed and you kind
of hope so that like he was like [ __ ] I shouldn't have done that yeah he sat in
that basket does that last 30 seconds yeah just have a moment of like o regts are they tied up like are they laying
down I think they um you know tie their hands behind their backs or they might be like we got you here man just sit
down on your go on your knees I think they lay like belly down yeah and somebody holds their feet you'd have to
not there's no way I'm like like yeah I'm just GNA like go along with this it's not happening didn't they used to
put like a hood over your head too I think they did for they do it for hangings for hangings because you're
sometimes a little G scary but they might have done it for that cuz then they the head falls in the basket and
then it's head in the you take the bag out your more hgic what is the thing called they lock your headache cuz you
can't cuz that oh that's a stade that's for when you want to be ped with tomatoes yeah when you want those are
for minor crimes that's for like you know um you you uh look you look at a married woman in public yeah they put
you in the stade and throw tomatoes at your face you showed an ankle yeah you yeah you were you were a jezebel yeah
you had your knees out scandalo just get with tomatoes in in the Town Square um but
yes uh that was the story of H jandb and the last time a guillotine was used on a
human being in France and in Western Europe damn that's so wild that's crazy they also used to call it the national
razor no by the way I just saw yeah that's more metal I kind of like really metal we're taking you to the National
razor today I I did look up cuz I always wonder why the razor was at an angle so
he said he do that so it an easy slice because if it was flat It'll like bounce would be breaking of the neck I'm guess
that's that makes sense like I told you in the beginning when we talk about their their methods
they used to just have one guy with an axe yes it was kind of and so it would take a couple of swipes like two three
four swipes and there was even you know everything creates a market right so there were people who were like if you
loved your family member you'd slip the you'd slip the the the um Warden or the guy with the axe some money to use a
sharper axe yeah like you try here's 20 bucks man can you try hard to like really get it in one go because there
were some where it was like they would slip and hit them in the back there was some where they would like they would
slip slip [ __ ] you cuz some of those executioners were just like Get Wrecked drunk and like some of them were like
you know having to deal with doing this all the time so they would show up like just completely wasted and like be so
pissed if mine was drunk Miss completely Miss wow and then sometimes I think the person
who was being executed had to pay the Executioner as they walked up onto the for the service the you cut my head off
please like a lot of um like King Henry VII's uh wives who were murdered that way like handed them like a bag of coins
before beheading tax Hey listen they tax they tax you till it's over man like the
behead pay for everything you got to you got to pay the service you got you got to pay the beheader humiliating too
isn't it like you're paying for this yeah that's that adds a level of humiliation yeah don't tap my pockets
one last time before you slice my head off especially when when it's the guy with the axe I'd much rather face the
guillotine than a guy just named Marcus yeah like all right let's do this with an axe is crazy with an axe and it's dll
and they have to be able to aim correctly and like you said you need that angle yeah you got to really hit a
specific spot like you said a back you get hit in the back with an axe so [ __ ]
what you say my bad yeah sorry about whoopsy da bro sorry hey bro scoot back a little bit sorry about that you
weren't on the mark that was your fault it was your bad that was your fault was your fault like my my spine's my spine's
out you're like no it was on you it was your fault it your fault that was on you
don't that wasn't me yeah it was your fault it was your you flinched you flinched you flinched dude you Flinch
damn FL that's wild and imagine just going home after that like the as the Executioner you're just like all right
you just go home to your family did you make dinner imagine going home after that as the public and being like that
was sick man like that was so I don't want to imagine like truly like people would bring their kids
to those things yeah we've come a long way in a lot of ways but not really as well I don't know about that I remember
when I whenever I watch political shows I'm like whenever we like when we watch stuff like um 300 and stuff and they're
like a dagger in the sleeve and people putting poison in cups and like that stuff's just it's still happening people
are just wearing Tom Ford Suits now yeah it's true true such a long way it's like
I don't know this happened in 1977 yeah really not that long way yeah they're like now it's democracy I'm like
no that stuff just happens behind closed doors what the guillotin yeah no bro Star Wars was out that's like 50 years
not even yeah that is not damn that's like like my mom was born when that one happened
yeah I was born only a few years later like yeah like less than 10 that eight years before your first
spe you just miss the eight years later I came this world I wasn't even a thought
no you weren't you're like yeah you know J you know just just like super young and like
porcelain skin baby I don't claim that though no it's zillennial the elders here
like I'm like and I was like the next year oh my goodness wow what a story but yeah
Hamid jand dubie and the guillotine what a story thank you for telling us that thank you guys for listening I really
that horrifying tale thank you for bringing that beautiful beautiful tale our way that was a wild one right yeah
that was crazy it really was and he was I mean he was evil also I I can I just take a second before we go can I give
you guys your flowers uh really quick because you guys had Holly Madison on your podcast a couple times and
um I love her story and who she is and I just when I think about my youth and what TV was in the early 2000s and how
women were exploited so crazy like everything about the early 2000s was like um pixelated mouths and pixelated
bodies and you know Anna Nicole Smith and Holly Madison and all you know all these people who who imagine what Anna
Nicole Smith podcast would be today she's probably such an interesting and amazing person but she was like
exploited by the powers of that be at the time of what they thought people wanted to from reality television and to
hear her go on on your platform and tell a story and just be like a a person I hate to I don't mean to say it in a like
a massyn way but like to see her get to be a person is like was like really cool
because I only know her from The Girls Next Door show and and yeah to get to be like her own person exactly and she's
such an interesting person her and Bridget are so sweet so smart so sweet so smart so interesting so like
multifaceted so kind I love them they're just like and it's like I want everybody
to know that like they're so amazing yeah like they are not just from the girls next door cuz I used to love that
show when I was younger like same we used to watch it and now you watch it so different you're like that was not
entertaining like damn that was dark no but thank you it's like she's amazing I highly recommend and Girls
Next Level their podcast is so interesting to listen to yes I just want I just wanted to give you guys I just
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Alvin & Fran from Affirmative Murder Podcast join us today to tell us about the execution of Hamida Djandoubi. On September 10th, 1977, Djandoubi's execution sentence was carried out by Guillotine, and marked the last time it was used for capital punishment in the western world.

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the guillotine's history, its cultural significance, and the last execution in France involving Hamid Jandubi.

Key points

The Crossover Begins. Ash and Elena introduce the crossover with Affirmative Murder, setting a fun tone.
Behind the Curtain. The hosts share their excitement about having the full crew together for the first time.
The Guillotine's Inception. The conversation shifts to the history of the guillotine and its origins.
Last Public Execution. Discussion about the last public guillotining in France and the crowd's reaction.
The Sausage Sandwich Spectacle. A bizarre historical note about vendors selling sausage sandwiches during public executions.
Paris Syndrome. A phenomenon where tourists experience disappointment in Paris, leading to hallucinations and nausea.

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