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human torso and foot were found inside a building in the Bronx the suspect has been identified as Sheldon Johnson a
criminal Justice activist who previously served time in prison all right Fox 5 Lind Schmidt live in the Highbridge
section of the Bronx tonight with more on this surprising turn of events Linda yeah certainly surprising well
first of all this guy said he had turned his life around after spending most of his adult life in prison in fact just
last year he started working with the Queen's public defender office well now he is accused of shooting a man in the
head in the apartment building right here behind me and then dismembering his body 48-year-old
Sheldon Johnson of Harlem is charged with murder and concealment of a human corpse this is Johnson recently on Joe
Rogan's podcast talking about how he had turned his life around after a life of crime he was working with troubled youth
with the Queen's Public Defenders Office the shirt he is wearing says Queen Defenders I got into school I got my
GED um from there I got involved in um correspondence courses I started interacting with God who were teaching
art aggression replacement training and I started to begin to understand how these Concepts Works what's positive
visualization is um deep breathing how to remove yourself conflict resolution well police say Johnson's Life Of Crime
apparently was not over he is accused of shooting 44-year-old Colin small in the
head in Small's sixth floor apartment on Summit Avenue and then dismembering his
body detectives combing over potential evidence again today inside the apartment in the Highbridge section of
the Bronx a law enforcement Source telling me they found a man's torso and foot in a plastic storage bin
investigators also found the victim's head legs and arms in Johnson's freezer in his apartment building in Harlem the
superintendent of the victim's apartment building saying a neighbor heard gunshots and surveillance video tells
the story the tenant of the apartment when he came in he never came out so I called police because it's suspicious
the super providing me with these surveillance pictures inside the building that allegedly show Johnson
carrying bags in and out of the apartment building the day of the murder and changing his clothes several times
as well as wearing disguises now today I also reached out to the Queen's public defender office where Sheldon Johnson
had been working but they had no comment back inside to you [Music] [Music] that clip there is very recent news it's
a clip from Fox News 5 out of New York and here is your headline this is from the folks over at The Daily News New
York's Hometown newspaper the headline reads from jail to antiviolence leader to busted in torso sleigh freed
after 25 years he becomes Advocate but now faces wrap in gruesome dismemberment that's the crazy headline
they are talking about 48-year-old Sheldon Johnson Jr a man who goes to prison and is there for roughly 25 years
due to his repeated violent behavior and crimes he gets out and then less than one year later according to New York
courts is charged with murder well Sheldon is arrested for murder and dismembering the corpse when
he's arrested he is photographed by the media his hands cuffed arms behind him he's being held by detectives wearing a
suit and tie one on each side of Sheldon Johnson and he's wearing one of those Hazmat looking suits no face covering
but a white ha matat type suit I believe this one is a tyvec brand suit with a hood and he has on his eyeglasses this
whole story is shocking to a lot of people of course due to the nature of the crimes but we're also talking about this
because this dude was thought to be a champion of Rehabilitation the poster child for reformed convicts who very
briefly became a community leader now before we get too far into the weeds here Captain I'd like to say that the
reporting on this story is a little difficult we should point out that there that we're getting varying accounts of
some of the details here from the different news outlets now this is not because of anyone doing a poor job the
story is just very very new the news teams are attempting to get the information correct but as we know the
police are going to be holding on to information here like we would expect Johnson has been charged with killing
another man in a New York City Apartment chopping him up and leaving his head in
a freezer dismemberment has become a new theme on this show unfortunately and I'm
hoping it's a theme that we can move on from at some point but yeah maybe next week we could do a missing person case
the the stories keep finding themselves to us finding their way to us and this one was so startling in the
news that we we had to discuss it here in the garage it's because it the unique nature of this story yeah and the short
of it is that Sheldon Johnson Jr aged 48 he's a former felon who got out of prison less than one year ago he is also
a prominent Criminal Justice Reform Advocate just last month in February of 2024 Sheldon Johnson was a guest on The
Joe Rogan podcast he was interviewed extensively mainly for Joe and Sheldon to wax poetic discussing how screwed up
the justice and prison systems are Sheldon was working with the Queen's Defenders Legal Group in New York before
the arrest the NYPD is now accusing Johnson of shooting 44-year-old Colin small in Colin's Bronx apartment I'm
going to read for you Captain a an article that provides a little more detail here so this is from the folks
over at CNN and it says police were called to Smalls apartment that's Colin small the victim here after neighbors
overheard gunshots coming from inside this is just from less than two weeks ago neighbors heard two gunshots
and then two more shots The Source said police told CNN that when officers arrived they found an unidentified human
Coro at the apartment the office of the chief medical examiner will determine the cause of death according to the
NYPD Sheldon Johnson was at Colin Small's apartment when officers arrived okay so let's fill in the blanks here
and paint this picture a little more Bob Ross likee let's be thorough right please do paint a couple Happy Trees the
way that this story is being told in the news and from my understanding while it's seems like
we're laying out facts yes these are the facts of the case I do think that there
is still some mystery here in this case and in this story that I I'm hoping that
we'll get all of those all of the blanks will be filled in as this thing makes its way through the court system right
but the way that this is being reported is that neighbors heard some gunshots then they hear someone like pleading for
their life and then they hear two more gunshots so to be clear two gunshots someone ping for their life a man's
voice saying something to the effect of please don't I have family and then you hear two more
gunshots now what was the first the first thing along the long road of surprising things in the story
is those neighbors reportedly called the super the superintendent of the building
yeah don't do that call 911 yes I and and I I do wish that those persons were here to tell us why they chose to I'm
sure that there's some reasoning involved in why they chose to take that action but right let's not fault them
they took action instead of doing nothing instead of fleeing instead of turning away or going oh that's probably
nothing they at least called somebody notified somebody yeah they heard something they said something for all we
know they call the superintendent and say I think you should call 911 now the cool thing is the superintendent has the
ability to Grant access to the apartment to law enforcement so in a sense they're
they're they're helping to provide that step right right away police don't have to show up and ask people what what's
going on what's going on oh we can't get into the apartment we got to get a hold
of the super so the superintendent calls 911 police show up on the scene they're
giving access to the apartment now I want to say here Sheldon Johnson has said he's innocent of these charges and
we'll get into the charges here in a minute the problem for Sheldon Johnson is that when police arrive at the
apartment Sheldon Johnson is in the apartment the person who is living at the apartment Colin
small is dead they find him dismembered with Sheldon Johnson in the apartment definition of caught red-handed this
definition is going to get going to get it's like a you have a burrito and you have a burrito supreme this is
red-handed Supreme buddy I I don't even know how this guy could say he's innocent but look he's this's a piece of
[ __ ] we've said this plenty of times here in the garage one one problem you have with career criminals a person who
who spends their lifetime committing crimes and reoffending reoffending reoffending most of the time
those types the way that they're brought up and the way that they conduct their activities their offenses and their
lifestyle is never admit to anything because the rest of the population some of them will break down and admit to
something some of them their conscience will get the best of them and they will they will admit to something and for the
most part you can never take that back right you're going to be sitting in court one day you're going to have
appeals you're going to be sitting in a jail cell prison cell one day you can never take that back because anytime you
have an argument for your innocence or a plea for leniency there's always the argument on the other side where they
they immediately go but you told us you did it you said that you did it well if you're Jesse Miss Kelly you can confess
and recant at least six times yes you could you could certainly do that I would I would wager a Franklin here that
uh Sheldon Johnson while he's certainly not my favorite person in the world I would wager Franklin that he would be
able to beat Jesse misskelly 10 times out of 10 in a game of tic-tac-toe so that's the problem with
Jesse melly's uh confession so when police arrive on the scene they find the person that they are later
going to charge with the murder in the residence in the home in the apartment of the person that they believe that the
suspect killed Callin small when they show up they say we've all seen Law and Order we know how this plays out right
police show up they go hey who are you are you the are do you live here no I don't live here and then the super
standing behind him going yeah that's not uh that's not Colin small I don't know who that man is and then Sheldon
Johnson tells the please oh no Colin small I know Colin I'm I'm here for reason a or Reason B maybe he's says
he's collecting the mail or or doing something but he tells the police Colin's not here he's Upstate New York
right now okay well inside the apartment with the person that they're later going to
charge with the murder they find one of those those totes when it's a blue bin with the it's like a rectangle shape
with the lid right right picture a giant a giant piece of Tupperware they open this thing up they
take the lid off God inside they find a torso that's the unidentified torso of course immediately they're going to
think they're going to just using the old eyeballs they're going to look at it and go that appears to be an adult male
black torso the person that's missing from the apartment that lives here is is an adult African-American male so of
course he's arrested now one part the reason why I went into the description of the picture that we see when he is
being cuffed and being walked out by detectives he's being walked out that's not from the apartment building this is
after he's been questioned read his rights and they went through all the formalities that you need to go through
as said he doesn't admit to anything I imagine that when he has to be wearing that Hazmat type type suit when the
police walk into the apartment right that that's a little bit of a red flag yeah not good right you don't usually
find somebody just standing in an apartment wearing a hazmat suit all by their Lonesome now doesn't law
enforcement find other body parts yeah so th this is where the reporting is a little tricky
because and it's not really important what there's no again I these stories I do not like telling for for the sake
that it's there's no comfortable way for me to say these words in these sentences
you're just going to have to I have to say say it we have Colin small who's living in an in the Bronx we have
Sheldon Johnson the suspect who's living in Harlem they both have their you know
individual apartments and the Torso and some other parts are reported as being found in Colin Small's
apartment in that bin in that that blue tupperware type large bin but then the other part
that's going to make this very difficult for Sheldon Johnson to be found innocent
by any jurors anywhere is that they found other parts of the victim at Sheldon Johnson's apartment in Harlem
it's been report and and I don't want to get into all the the different reporting
here but what seems to be consistent Captain is that the Torso of our victims found in the victim's apartment and the
head of the victim is found in the apartment of the suspect yeah so let's think about this for a second please
show up Hey where's the guy we're looking for not here oh well his torso is here and you're here oh you know
nothing about this well let's go check out your apartment oh we find more body parts you don't know what happened you
don't know how these body parts just ended up in your apartment you don't know how the
victim's head showed up showed up in your apartment I mean some of the reports were saying that the victim's
head was found in a freezer the icing on the cake is he's wearing this weird tyvec Hazmat type suit he's carrying a
gun when he's arrested right so do you think his thought was that I'm going to take these body parts and and put them
in these this Tupperware and then I'm going to walk out with a hazmat suit like to
me the Hazmat suit maybe they're not going to be able to see your face maybe they're not going to be able to identify
you but people are going to know you're going to draw a lot of attention to yourself wearing that stupid suit I
think the suit he was only wearing it while he's in the apartment to handle and package everything up right to say
politely because clearly what he appears to be doing to me he's making this large
package smaller and he's slowly Johnny Cash one piece at a time removing it from victim's apartment
returning to his apartment and then my guess is from there he would slowly his next move is probably to
slowly discard these items somehow some manner throughout the city probably drive around throughout the city tossing
them in random dumpsters unfortunately what Sheldon Johnson is not is dumb but also unfortunately what Sheldon Johnson
is is evil and he's smart enough that I think he thought I'm going to make this guy
disappear right and then there's no if if he disappears there's no body there's no m murder there's no suspect they will
they will likely only investigate this so far if they hit the roadblock of going well we can't even determine if
this guy was killed or not right A lot of times I think these criminals think if there's no body you can't have a
conviction and they would be right in most cases we we have seen cases no body convictions is what they like to call
them a nobody conviction but on the grand scheme of things when you look throughout the history of Law and
convictions in the United States that's a relatively small percentage of the homicides in this country that that get
a conviction with no body if you're playing the percentages you stand a better chance of not not being convicted
but also think about the problems that that creates just for the investigation to figure out yeah even who the suspect
is or should be and we don't know what he was going to do with the body parts I mean he could have mailed them out to
people this guy is the evil twin of PCA not had yes a a a different version of another evil evil guy and the other
strange thing here too that's alarming and this is another giant red flag remember red-handed Supreme here right
burrito police very quickly obtain surveillance video of Sheldon Johnson entering the victim's AP apartment
multiple times so he the victim lives on the sixth floor of this apartment building in the Bronx yeah so what that
means is Sheldon Johnson after the night that he killed him so there's a there's
a good period of time that goes by before he's actually caught red-handed in the apartment later and
arrested he is seen on surveillance footage they have at least one camera that's positioned on the sixth FL floor
that shows Sheldon Johnson or someone that looks identical to Sheldon Johnson yeah going from the elevator into the
victim's apartment and then coming out of the victim's apartment and going back into the elevator and what he's doing is
he's and you see in every little video and every picture there often times he's arriving getting off the elevator
empty-handed and when he's leaving the apartment now he's got to he's got a what appears to be a gift bag in one
picture he's got a trash bag in one picture he's got something that he's carrying it almost looks like a bowling
ball bag in one picture so he's slowly taking a couple pieces at a time and getting them from the six floor
apartment hopping onto the elevator and and he's dressed different every single time some of the reporting says that in
at least one of the videos he appears to be wearing the victim's clothing clothing that belonged to the victim and
in one of the videos a person who appears to be Sheldon Johnson looks like he's gone to Great Lengths to disguise
himself he's wearing like the something over his face and a long blond hair wig and it's actually a very freaky
scary looking image of him walking off of the elevator in this disguise I mean he's going to have to travel throughout
the city and there's no more populated city no more hustle and bustle than New York City he's walking amongst the rest
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back yeah people in the back get getting a lot of love yeah you notice uh this guy has more outfit changes than a
Taylor Swift concert I know it reminded me of uh Sarah Jessica Parker when we were kids when she hosted the MTV Music
Awards it's like every 15 minutes she she came out in a in a different outfit that was even better than the one before
yeah so I'm looking at six different images of him leaving arriving to the apartment or leaving the apartment and
all of them are clearly him he's in different outfits as you said and we talked about the one disguise in
particular which is alarming I'm guessing he he would have had to enter the building dressed normally and then
put the disguise on in the elevator because there's no way he would have been able to walk throughout New York
City dressed in that freaky outfit the one with the long blonde hair and something strange blacking out his face
yeah and just like that he was dressed like Sarah Jessica Parker but that is the image and that's the video that I
first saw that Drew this case to my attention and went oh this is strange and the more I read about it there's so
many similarities to the Luca magnata case in one of those images surveillance footage images he's seen arriving to the
apartment with that blue bin that large Blue been that later they find the Torso
and in some reports they they may have found a an arm other Reports say there there's the Torso in two feet where in
can you imagine at trial what's going to happen when he tries to deny that that's
not my tub well we have it on video you carrying the tub into the victim's apartment we now have the victim in
pieces dismembered and parts of his body are found in this blue tub that you brought
yeah so if I'm the prosecutor the first question I'm asking if he takes the stand and if he doesn't take the stand
the first question I'm going to throw out to the jury is I would really like to know sir did when you arrived with
the blue bin was the Torso already in there or did it not get in there until you got into the apartment right could
jump in there by itself yeah it there is no defense for this guy is the way that I see it now I
guess where there's some mystery that's still involved the the way that this man was killed
44-year-old Colin small the the report is that he died from a single gunshot to the Head makes
sense execution style makes sense with the evidence is what I'm saying because we have ear Witnesses who are saying we
heard somebody pleading for his life unfortunately that's what you have here when someone's pulling off a murder
execution style what doesn't make a whole lot of sense is that those same earwitnesses at least according to the
reports I don't want to muck anything up for the courts here but according to the
reports it's two shots pleading for his life followed by another two shots but this man's only killed with a single
shot to the head as what has been reported so I'll give you verbatim one report here specific L the
superintendent was called by a tenant who reported hearing two gunshots at around 1 a.m. after which she heard a
man shouting please don't I have family end quote followed by another two shots the superintendent checked the closed
circuit TV footage on Colin Small's sixth floor which captured a man later identified as Sheldon Johnson repeatedly
exiting and entering the apartment in different clothes including hats a blonde wig and the same outfit the
victim had been wearing when he entered the apartment they also found cleaning supplies so they believe that he was
also arriving with cleaning supplies along with that blue bin and so this Hazmat type suit you can see how this is
playing out he killed the man he's probably dismembering him in the bathtub oh God or shower would be my guess he's
putting on this suit so he can dismember make this L package smaller one large package into many smaller
packages not to get a bunch of blood evidence all over his clothing taking off that Hazmat type suit leaving in
plain clothes with some of these small packages now the the reason where there is some mystery here is why the four
shots and maybe later we're going to find out that that it wasn't just a single shot but the tenant is reporting
several shots there's also a bit of a delay as it sounds here captain in the as far as the reporting goes that that
the ear witness or ear Witnesses heard this stuff and then some time went by before it was reported to the super
again we already talked about the confusing part that it's called into the superintendent who then calls
911 I don't I don't see any mystery in the superintendent in the delay of him calling 9911 because as we know he's
saying well I went and I checked the surveillance footage and then called 911 there is a a little bit of time that
expires before police are at the scene and then Sheldon Johnson is caught as as you and I are saying red-handed
apparently these two knew each other for a long period of time and there's different reporting here again that some
reports state that Colin small and sheld and Johnson were friends were childhood
friends I can tell you on at least one day that they weren't friends that was on uh March 6th or March 7th I mean
that's how new this information is other reports state that they were Rivals I don't know I'm telling you
listening to the interview on Joe Rogan show look Joe Rogan does a great job as many listeners it's a good podcast he
does not need us to spend 10 seconds to tell people to go listen to his show I would love for him to spend 10 seconds
telling his listeners to come listen to our show yeah Joe but that episode in particular now I okay I'm sitting here
with the advantage of knowing what we know now when listening to that episode and I'm trying
very I'm giving it all my effort here Captain to not bring up the problems that I had with some of the
statements made by Sheldon Johnson and Joe Rogan during the course of that 2hour and 20 minute interview or
whatever it was like my God man that thing could have been 35 minutes and we would have walked away with the same
information but yeah the first thing here is even had I not known what I know today there was some Sheldon Johnson in
that interview comes off as sounding very intelligent very driven and and in a way I could see how he could Inspire
others to change or to grow as he claimed he did clearly we know that he didn't change clearly now we know that
he didn't grow yeah but there was something there was always that little hint there was always even and I I
kicked it aside and said ignore what you know now but there was something that didn't seem right and I thought you know
what I'm G I'm going to have to do a little background check little research on this guy prior to the event of of
this month right remember in the interview he spends a good deal of time talking about his sentence being injust
it was an unfair sentence what he was charged for he should have been sentenced to 25 years but he instead got
charged in sentenced to 50 years and I know what a lot of people were thinking immediately like yes I I want to be
clear here are there is our justice system perfect no it's not I would never say that is our prison system perfect no
I would never say that is it as screwed up as Joe Rogan and Sheldon Johnson spent two and a half hours telling you
that it is absolutely not absolutely not but my first problem with the interview
in itself is why are you going to have somebody that hasn't even spent a year out of prison he got out I believe in
May of 2023 yeah no23 look it makes sense if you want to talk about this subject with somebody
that has some intelligence and can speak to it from the opposite side of the law
right somebody that been through the system yeah talk to somebody that has been out of prison for 20 years 10 years
5 years and has committed no other crime there's a lot of people that they could
have talked to or he could even talk to individuals that they did a prison sentence and they weren't even guilty of
the crime take like the Central Park 5 if you want to talk about this subject but he had this person on and look
there's no fault to Joe it's not like Joe Rogan knew that this guy is going to go murder somebody and then dismember
them but come on the guy hasn't even been out out for 365 days of not committing a crime that's just somebody
I would not want to talk to well to expand on that and burrito supreme this thing a little bit Captain so yeah where
I don't I I agree with you 100% on what you just said I but I think and again I'm kind of making an assumption here my
guess is that the actual guest is this Josh duban who I believe from the interview my takeaway was that Joe has
had him on multiple times and he is the he's spearheading this uh fight wrongful
convictions create reform and and and resources for these persons to work themselves back into society and that
he's been on the show many times and that that he often brings a guest along with him right so I guess in Joe's
defense I don't know 100% how much Joe knew it about the the tagalong guest which would
be Sheldon Johnson and Josh Dubin does and the reason why I say that I know that Josh Dubin has been on the show
before I've listened to the show a handful of times it's a good show but I don't I'm not listened to the show
enough to have heard Josh Dubin on there before but he starts off the interview saying look Joe usually I bring somebody
with me that's been wrongly for wrongly convicted today I brought somebody with me who who was guilty and but this is a
different experience and we can talk about this and there's a lot of information there's a lot that America
can learn here where I would fault Joe Rogan and his team is maybe vet the guy even if it's after the fact because some
of the stuff that Sheldon Johnson was saying on the show just isn't true you know he's saying I was in justly
unfairly sentenced to 50 years when I should have only been sentenced to 25 and when you hear an africanamerican
man saying this of course sorry if I'm being small-minded here but I jumped to the
idea well did a bunch of white people unjustly sentence him to 50 years when it should be 25 and then I find out no
that the judge was African-American I hear Sheldon Johnson saying well I was I was charged for an
assault I I had a gun at the time of the assault I robbed a guy with a gun the guy owed me money he his claim is I gave
this guy on consignment I fronted him a bunch of drugs I got picked up jammed up
for something else something small time and this guy probably got it in his head
well he doesn't have to pay me back once he sells those drugs he can just go out
and spend the money because yeah Sheldon got jammed up well Sheldon gets out and
he tracks him down where's my money I don't have your money I spent it oh so now he's going to rob the dude
robs him at gunpoint and according to Sheldon Johnson's story as he tells it on the Rogan
podcast he hits the dude with the gun this is his words hits the dude with the gun I got 50 years he got two stitches
let's examine this a little bit further I found several reputable news sources reporting on that story back when he was
arrested and convicted of that situation that Sheldon Johnson explained to us in
his version of the story the real version of the story is he shot at the man he shot the man in the back like a
coward and he was actually charged with not assault and he wasn't just convicted
of assault he was convicted of attempted murder right this man is running from him he shoots him in the back so if he
got two stitches that could that could be the truth but those two stitches were stitching up a wound that for all we
know very likely Sheldon Johnson's intent was to fatally harm this man to shoot him to kill him if you're shot in
the back I don't care where it is on the back unless you're 15t tall that bullet
is about 6 in to 12 in away from from killing you anywhere could be the head could be the
heart could be the lungs lower admin is a horrible place to be shot at to to be shot as well most of those people bleed
out and that's not a way that's no way to go so he wants to spin it and tell us that oh I got 50 years because I hit
this dude with a gun yeah you hit the dude with a gun you hit him with a bullet from the gun well the main reason
why he got 50 and not 25 is after he shot the guy he yelled Bazinga well the the other problem I had with some things
he was saying on there was he was saying look the system is set up he's a real piece of [ __ ] is what this guy is he's a
cowardly piece of [ __ ] and the thing that I didn't like what he said was he even said let me try to be good for a
while and if that doesn't work out I can just always go back to doing bad [ __ ]
well he had said that you know part of the the system that's flawed is that you get picked up and you get a slap on the
wrist right you get get get a small charge you get a small punishment but what he says the problem
is is that the problem is that These Guys these young guys and other people don't know you get picked up on
something they're this is building a paper trail against you so when you get picked up again and again and
again eventually you can get 20 25 years for a simple assault and he says this is
entrapment and I say no Sheldon Johnson that's called a second chance it's called a third chance yeah yeah you he's
right you get picked up on a small charge you get a small punishment and he's right you could get 20 years on a
simple assault but guess who gets 20 years on a simple assault charge someone who has assaulted and assaulted and
assaulted and reoffended and reoffended again and again and again and that's who
Sheldon Johnson was so when we sit here and have to listen to him say that he was unjustly sentenced that it was an
unfair sentence of 50 years guess who got it right the judge has sentenced him to 50 years because if he had to spend
all that 50 years in prison Colin small might still be alive that's my big issue
when people want to com complain about sentences well they sentenced me for 50 years but you didn't serve it and that's
one of my big problems and I think one of the big flaws if you get 10 years you serve 10 years period oh you were on
your best behavior who gives a [ __ ] if you're not on your best behavior we're going to give you extra time that's how
it should work I mean if your kid is acting up and you say hey Sheldon go to your room and he goes to
his room and he starts blasting music and yelling curse words and whatever you go into his room and go hey you're going
to knock it off and if you want to keep acting this way way you're going to spend longer and and how many cases have
we covered where somebody got 15 20 years for rape or whatever they were charged with and they let them out in
five years or six years and then they went on to rape more people or to start killing people like maybe that's one of
the ways we could fix the system is what you're charged with is what you get and I don't understand that again I
just don't understand this notion of if you behave will give you less time nope if
you behave you're going to do the time that you were sentenced for if you don't behave we're going to give you more time
well that's that's the other part of it where where I want to go hey uh Mr Johnson rather than going on and on
about this unfair sentence of 50 years it the sentence of 50 years doesn't mean anything when you serve 24 of that when
when when you're when you I hear you telling me that the maximum I was supposed to be sentenced to is 25 years
well guess what that's what you served I don't understand what you're complaining
about 24 but if he was sentenced 25 he should have he should have served 25 what he's really trying to say maybe he
did serve 25 I don't know but it was it was roughly that yeah you know some Reports say 24 some say 25 he probably
got some time served for while he was waiting for this thing to go to trial right then the on and on talk about
being from a multi-generational family that that is has all gone to prison you know the the
his father went to prison his son went to prison his son attacked a a 24 year-old college student for no reason
they they didn't know each other he picked a guy at random on the street and and and started beating him up and that
that man tried to run from Sheldon Sun ran out into the street and got hit by a car and got killed
Sheldon Johnson's son got 10 months got 10 months for that one Sheldon Johnson's
father Shelton Johnson's father raped on more than one occasion his seven-year-old
stepdaughter um so I I look there is evidence to suggest that a person coming up that a young Sheldon would have a
more difficult time coming up if if his father's in prison if he's raised for a portion of his childhood without a
father but when we're when we're really trying to look and examine at all this stuff this this is what angers me and
why do we so quickly get away from the root of the problem the root of the cause the root
of the solution right it's not fair to say that there is evidence to suggest that somebody is
more likely to offend and commit crimes and end up in prison because their father was in prison you know why it's
not fair because why isn't the argument it's more likely that the child will end
up in prison not because his father was in prison but because his father was a piece of [ __ ] who was a rapist who broke
the law multiple times and that and that he had that this child had to spend time
with that person that this child was raised by that P person for at least a portion of their life I'd rather them
not be there to influence a young Sheldon well and I always tell people when we talk about parenting and and
things of that nature I always say I I believe kids learn more from seeing your behaviors than they're going to learn
from you saying do this or do that so you want your kid to read well just read around them and they'll see this
behavior and then they'll go oh well maybe I should read if if I'm going out and committing crimes the person goes
well maybe I could do that well I got good news for you Captain I have a book recommendation for you at the end of
today's show but the the other thing that angers me and I and I want to I want to jump
off of this here in a little bit because I'm getting worked up and uh uhhuh maybe
Circle back to the story a little bit it's time for you to eat a burrito and maybe an
enchilada yeah and maybe a qualude so I can calm down don't do that it's illegal
the other thing here too is they spent a good deal of time talking about how many
inmates this country has and look there's no getting around it I'm not trying to put I'm not trying to make a
great argument for oh I love the prison system I'm not trying to say that at all
what I'm trying to point out is that a lot of these problems that are discussed and brought up constantly are not such a
big problem okay yes at one time did we have the highest percentage of inmates population in out of any country in the
world yeah we did this country is a young country and it's had a violent history we we came in and and revolted
against the persons that that we fled from we a large portion of our history is Cowboys in the wild west we're not
too many generations removed from that but guess what today we don't have the highest
percentage so are we starting to correct if you think that's a huge problem I don't if you think it's a huge problem
maybe pump the brakes a little bit because we've worked to correct that we're we're slowly moving down that
list and here's one thing I want to point out like so they discussed that the the prison
population and they're going off of 2023 numbers because we're early in 2024 1.9 million people are currently
incarcerated in the United States Joe Rogan's response is God the system is so [ __ ]
up hey brilliant analysis there Joe that's some real in in-depth thinking why don't we pump the brakes a little
bit and and and look at the picture the whole picture 1.1 million people are currently
incarcerated in this country this is a country with a population of 330 million people that's not even 1% of not even 1%
of our population yeah is in prison and look 109 1.9 million people in prison if
that's a problem fine but can we examine this as it should be examined if I took
you would have to get up to look my I I didn't go to MIT or anything but my my math would tell me that you got to get
up to 300 and about 4546 million people to get this number to be two million people if you're going
to you know put together the math and the the percentages to get this number to be 2 million people so let's pretend
that it's 2 million people let's play with some some easy math here that does not seem like a problem to me think
about this equation let's take 330 people or if we want the math to be correct 345 people let's put them on an island
and then let's introduce things that are natural well natural or unnatural or undesired behaviors and influences and
variables but that actually exist in the real world yeah because we're not Bean counters these aren't just numbers these
are people in real living situations that we're discussing here let's put 345 people on an island and then let's
introduce money drugs sex guns greed perversion and the list goes on and on I would be surprised if you're only
kicking two people off of the island cuz that's all prison is we've decided guess
what that jerk and that [ __ ] they're too terrible they're too violent they're a menace to society they cannot live in
our society they cannot live on our Island we voted them off right send them to Australia I'm telling you man if you
would be surprised at how well behaved and how good that system appears when you look at it from that angle they're
kicking off more than two people from that Island I'm telling you right now in fairness to Joe Rogan though his show is
live and I think sometimes you could say something like oh man that's a lot of people or wow man the
system's so messed up and then he might you know an hour later go well actually when you do the math it yeah it could
just be a knee-jerk reaction didn't have a chance to think it out um yeah I mean
I've talked you know politics or cases people come up and say you know Scott Peterson I I think he's innocent and
this is why XYZ and you and in the moment you're just kind of going well that's interesting in and I don't agree
with anything that they were telling me but so I I I would I'd want to have the benefit of
the doubt so I'll give Joe Rogan the benefit of the doubt but and that's fair and that's right to do because and I I'm
sorry and I will do so as well because it's not easy to talk with a microphone in front of your face anybody that
thinks that it is I I would suggest maybe give it a shot look the captain has told me Colonel I can tolerate you
as long as you say less than dumb less than three dumb things an episode and every time when we hit the stop button
he goes well you met your quota again this week um so you know it's not easy and I certainly say some dumb
things and probably said a few things uh that are dumb today and as you pointed out Joe Rogan show is live I would
imagine there's some editing involved but his Show's live I'm maybe after this episode he'll want our show to be dead
no Joe Rogan's a big fan of people from Columbus Ohio well here's okay so here's
some other suspicions and some things that I want and the things that will need to get sorted out
so Colin small while he at times in his life has not has not been in an angel as
well I mean he ended up in prison for a long period of time as well but this and
his family didn't deserve this no absolutely not and and and look he might have actually changed his ways he might
have actually grown up and changed his ways where what we have the flip side of that coin is a Sheldon Johnson Jr age 48
who clearly has not changed his ways all he did was repackage his bad self and he
sold us his the new Sheldon Johnson which was a lie it all was a lie Bazinga and so some reports that they're old
childhood friends other reports are that they were Rivals we do know that Sheldon
Johnson was what he says was a high ranking member of the Bloods and that he walked while in prison he walked away
from the gang life I it it looks I actually believe that he probably never did he just convinced the rest of us
that he did well and he said he told everybody on the show well I was going to try to be good for a while and then
if I can't do that I'll just go back to being bad that's that is a person that's
a pile of [ __ ] it's not that hard to be good it's not that hard to live a life
of kindness to try to treat other people the way you want to be treated I mean there's so many simple rules that if
this country would just start following them it would be a way better place just
treat people how you would want to be treated show people a level of respect stop being such fragile men the best way
to determine and expect what could be future behavior is looking at past behavior and what did Sheldon Johnson do
in the past he got locked up for something small got a short little time in jail and by his own words his own
admission he tells us I got out and then I went after the people that I fronted drugs to or that did did something to me
before I went in because they thought that I'd never they thought that I got jammed up and I wouldn't come after him
that's what he did he and he according to his interview he says he he did that not on one occasion when he hit the guy
with the gun which we now know means shot him in the back he did that on multiple
occasions according to his interview and now let's cross-examine that or or examine that thought with the
idea of what we're being told that Colin small him they've known each other since
childhood whether they were friends or Rivals it's hard to say it's been reported both ways both served lengthy
prison sentences were they rivals or friends in prison were they both at sing sing at the same time did he get out and
then decide to go after this guy who may have changed his ways who who the Colin
small was out for years several years before he was killed by Sheldon Johnson right so we talk about past behavior
that suggests to me maybe he did actually change his ways unlike Sheldon Johnson who gave Sheldon Johnson a gun
that's the other mystery that we need to figure out here because regardless of him being out being paroled he's not
allowed to have a gun I don't think Sheldon is that concerned with following laws but have fun with flags in prison
you pile of [ __ ] he tells us in the interview that he's uh an authoritarian that he likes rules that he's a big rule
guy Well turns out no no no you're not Sheldon he also likes to lie yeah you're a big liar is what you are why is what
we need to sort out now and I'm sure that I'm sure the NYPD they're a good outfit they'll figure this thing out the
the detectives that they showed in the arresting photos of Sheldon Johnson and from from what little words
they have said to the media they appear to be on top of it I have a lot of confidence
that they're going to get this thing right it helps it yeah red flag Supreme here with this guy red-handed
Supreme and I I think that they'll make short work of Sheldon Johnson he he thought his last sentence was
unjustified with 50 years instead of 25 he only served 25 from everything we're being told it it doesn't matter what the
words are right it really matters the time and it turns out that that it all equaled out in the end and unfortunately
he hit the streets again and he showed us his real true colors and it's a shame because when I heard the interview I
thought this guy sounds like somebody who's very capable of doing some good things and the persons that he was
talking with Joe Rogan and Josh Dubin two persons that are not only capable of doing good things but have done good
things yeah yeah have done a lot of good things it's it's just a shame because you hear something like this and while I
did not agree with everything that they were saying while I did not agree with everything that they were that they were
picking apart and had a problem with I liked to hear the discussion taking that at least we're having the discussion and
at least it's in a a in a forum and on a platform that thousands hundreds of thousands if not millions of people
could hear it well no and I think it's a good way to live life if you start thinking if we could just
change one% get 1% better every day if I can just treat people a little bit better than I treated people yesterday
if we can get the prison system just 1% better every day if we could get Washington just 1% better every day
where would this country be at where would we be at as as a race a human race so we are all capable of it and we're
also all capable of more but like you said I I totally agree it it does start with having a conversation because you
need to take a good look of where you're at and where you want to get to and what
steps you have to take to get there and this guy was given you know he complained that
there's no resources there's no breaks to these people when they get out which again it's hard to take him at his word
because we know he's a liar and number two he right after saying look there's no resources for when these guys get out
and then he shouts out five six people organizations that helped him when he got out so right both can't be true but
what what's a shame here and very disappointing is this Colin small lost his life he he pled and begged for his
life this man showed him no mercy didn't even have the human decency to to spare his
life didn't didn't have this man is evil he deserved every minute of that 50 years that he was sentenced to I'm
confident he will never get out again he will never have the opportunity to reoffend outside the walls of a
prison but beyond the loss of life here it's really a shame that people like the Queen's Defenders who he worked
for who's an organization that I'm sure is doing great work for those persons that he shouted out and organizations
that he gave a shout out to for helping him when he got out they're doing good work too and it's
not easy work because a lot of times doors just don't open up for these organizations that want to represent
convicted persons felons convicts doors don't just most of the time they don't just open up they got to do a lot
of work and a lot of effort and they got to show they got to show that this is a
good thing that we are doing good work to earn the the The credibility and the respect of funding and and where that
funding comes from and Shelton Johnson may have taken a big huge you know one giant step for
man one big leap for mankind or whatever that that saying is this is a giant leap
backwards for those organizations with with somebody who was in ways the face of some of those those
groups and so while he this guy got every Advantage he got all these people helping him and working for him and
helping him to get out and become a free man and this is what he did with that [Music]
freedom [Music] you could be anywhere in the world and you're here with us and we want to thank
you Colonel do we have any recommended reading for the beautiful listeners yes of course we do Captain this week we are
recommending in the belly of the Beast by Jack Henry Abbott it was funny when I was listening to The Joe Rogan podcast
interview with Sheldon Johnson I kept thinking about this book and then it some point this book is actually brought
up during their conversation this book is truly like it's like the prequel to what we are talking to talking about
today so Jack Henry Abbott the author was in prison when he wrote the book and the book consists of letters that he
wrote to Norman maylor about his experiences and what Abbot was calling a brutal and unjust prison system Abbott
gets paroled in 1981 the same year that in the belly of the Beast was published the book was very successful but that
same year shortly after his release Jack Henry Abbott kills Richard Aden during a
dispute at a restaurant in the East Village of New York City he is arrested convicted and ever so quickly finds
himself back in prison this time for the rest of his life check out in the belly
of the Beast you can find that great recommendation along with many other great recommendations on our recommended
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From jail, to anti-violence leader, to busted in torso slay - that was the headline from the Daily News earlier this month. 44 year old Collin Small was shot and killed in his sixth floor apartment in the Bronx on March 7th, 2024. Police discovered Small’s dismembered torso in a blue bin and later found other parts in a freezer. When police arrived at the apartment, they found Sheldon Johnson junior inside Small’s apartment. Sheldon Johnson junior has been charged with the murder of Collin Small.

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Brief Summary

Sheldon Johnson, a criminal justice activist, is arrested for murder and dismemberment, shocking his community and raising questions about rehabilitation.

Key points

Shocking Arrest of Activist. Sheldon Johnson, a criminal justice activist, is arrested for murder and dismemberment.
From Advocate to Accused. Sheldon Johnson, once a champion of rehabilitation, now faces serious charges.
Surveillance Footage Reveals All. Police obtain video of Johnson entering and exiting the victim's apartment multiple times.
Sheldon Johnson's Disguise. Sheldon Johnson dons a freaky disguise while leaving the victim's apartment. 'It's a very scary looking image.'
The Blue Bin Mystery. Surveillance footage shows Johnson arriving with a blue bin, later linked to the victim's dismemberment. 'We now have the victim in pieces... found in this blue tub that you brought.'
Conflicting Eyewitness Accounts. Eyewitnesses report hearing multiple gunshots and a man pleading for his life, but the victim was shot only once. 'What doesn't make sense is that those same eyewitnesses... it's two shots pleading for his life followed

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The crazy headline reads: from jail to antiviolence leader to busted in torso sleigh.

The shocking headline summarizing Johnson's fall from grace.

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