Serial Killer Scott Lee Kimball /// Part 4 /// 385 | Forensic Files

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starting to get into some of the physical evidence collected against Scott and forming these cases against
him regarding these missing persons one of the items we have yet to hit on is it involves his phone records so this
reveals to law enforcement that Scott the last person he spoke to on the evening of February 17 2003 was missing
person Jennifer Markham then his phone went offline until February 20th Scott maintained that he
had gone to the mountains for several days and turned his cell phone off this is the same story that he kind of gave
regarding Casey but detectives noted that Jennifer's phone was also inactive for the same three-day period of time
after that there were calls made from Jennifer's phone this to Scott into several other people
this is before it went offline permanently now to the investigators it seemed obvious that Scott was using
Jennifer's phone for the purpose of misdirecting law enforcement in an attempt to make it appear as if she was
still alive for some period of time after she went missing but we still have other crimes
other murders to discuss we have evidence in the Leanne Emery disappearance Leanne's car was found
abandon with all of her stuff in it in Eastern Utah but Leanne was nowhere to be found
receipts for credit card charges to her card made in California bore a signature
that was not her handwriting detectives spoke to the unnamed inmate who knew Scott in prison the one who gave them
the information about how Casey had been killed this inmate told them that Scott said that he killed Leanne
while they were hiking in Bryson Canyon in eastern Australia Scott said that he had stripped her nude
or had her stripped nude kneeled down and he shot her in the head execution Style
now Captain you know how this POS Sky operates right he has an answer for everything
Scott told detectives that he did not kill Leanne he said that members of a drug gang were
the ones that had executed her and he was only a witness but he didn't go to law enforcement he
didn't get involved and even though he's already involved with the FBI he doesn't tell them I witnessed a
murder he he only has to make up the story when confronted with something that he told
somebody else right now remember the Terrible this this angers and saddens me like you
wouldn't believe remember the terrible accident on the ranch I'm talking about the accident
when Scott's ten-year-old son Justin when a 200 pound metal great quote fell on him right you can see photos of this
little boy in the hospital on Dateline and it's pretty horrible so in a stroke of bad luck for Scott but
truly a blessing after two weeks in a coma his son woke up and was able to tell what he remembered he says his father
told him to turn around and dig a hole near this great and then all of a sudden the great fell on him
then he remembered being in the Jeep remember Scott is driving the Sun to the hospital he remembers being in the Jeep
and he says on the way to the hospital my dad Scott he's pushing me by the face pushing me out of the
vehicle by the face yeah I mean this is just when you said it the first time oh here's this horrible accident and
then Scott's going to drive his son to the hospital and on the way the kid falls out of the car you go
something's not right here yeah you can't it's it what a coincidence that you would have two near-death accidents
back to back that day I can understand that sometimes this stuff happens in a state of a panic maybe you're rushing
trying to get him to the hospital but not with this guy not with this guy they're not these types two failed
attempts of murder so the balder County Prosecutors Boulder [ __ ] thank you Unfortunately they did
not feel that they had enough to actually Charge Scott with with what looks very much like an attempted murder
of his son this is in part because doctors indicated that his head injuries were so
severe they would not consider him to be a reliable witness that is so [ __ ] though these might not be reliable
memories that he has of course we're no idiots and we can see all this other stuff together that
that that's probably very likely what happened and I know the prosecutors felt the same way and were very saddened that
they could not bring this type of charge against this man we should also point out and it's no
coincidence that at the time of this accident there was a sixty thousand dollar life insurance policy on the
little boy with Scott listed as the sole beneficiary yeah okay but hear me out why don't you just want to
roll the dice I'm listening roll the dice right we have we have two like I said two attempts of murdering
this ten-year-old boy and yes maybe his memory is not maybe he's not going to be
um maybe he's not going to be received as super credible but once you stack on the other piece of
evidence that we have a motive the motive being a sixty thousand dollar payout for the death of this child
roll the dice because what you what do you have to lose well a couple of things and we talked about this a few weeks ago
you do run the risk of the double jeopardy charge where where maybe at some point you actually do believe that
you have the proper evidence to charge and convict him and if you try him now and you can't
successfully convict them you can't try them again later what I guarantee you this is what my gut tells me and I would
bet this man's beef Farm on it not my own Farm because this guy's a liar but uh I bet you what happened
Captain is behind closed doors they probably did take a chance because like you said what do you have to lose this
is what they probably took a chance on let's tell Scott that we know exactly what the hell he was doing and see if it
scares him enough that he's willing to plea to it or to a lesser charge right because you know you get this man in a
room and you go look dude your son told us that you were the one that told him to get in that hole and
then the Great Falls on him your son told us you were driving him to the hospital and he remembers you pushing
him by the face out of the moving vehicle and this almost kills him and we also found a paper trail that you stood
to gain sixty thousand dollars should that little boy die you're hoping you can scare him into a plea bargain at
that chance and I bet you they took that chance right and Scott is just it wasn't
going to to fall for it now putting all of that together makes it also seem even much more ridiculous
that Uncle Terry magically disappeared that he struck it big hitting the lottery and then running
off to Mexico with some mysterious woman that no one had ever met named Ginger right and no evidence that that he even
won the lottery or that he's still in existence right so this is one part of the story that we
left out last week this goes down nearly a year after Uncle Terry Kimball disappeared so Scott's
father his name is Virgil Kimball received an email at his Idaho home from his brother Uncle Terry
using the email address Terry Kimball yahoo.com I'm sorry Terry lkimball yahoo.com
according to an affidavit later written by FBI agent grossing in the email Terry claimed to be living
in an old part of Mexico with a woman named Ginger and added that Ginger liked living there
and said that she was never going to return to the United States so that he probably would not either
this is creating in a sense an alibi for where this man would be or or at least him reaching out
saying this is where I am right later after Scott was sitting in jail and law enforcement were busy building a
case against him police traced the email account under Terry's name and traced it back to Scott's Computer
so pays to study computer Uncle Terry can't be living in Mexico and sending that email that email came from Scott's
Computer and so unless unless Terry's hiding in the basement right then that's coming from you Scott
well and then they found a bank teller who was able to identify Scott as the person who was cashing chair Terry's
checks right after he supposedly went off to to Mexico so at least with this one it seems like got him got him
throw a party so other than that where are we now we're in December of 2008. Scott Kimball
is sitting in jail on those weapons charges investigators had amassed all the evidence we just went through and
interviewed Scott about 10 different times but since Leanne Uncle Terry and Jennifer had never been found and since
Casey's cause of death was unknown the prosecutors the boulder [ __ ] I do want to point something out before
anybody comes down too hard on us for saying for repeating that anybody that's looked into this case
knows that that by the way the the two prosecutors the boulder [ __ ] they seem to have embraced that name
that Scott created for them because yeah that's right we are [ __ ] we're powerful [ __ ] that are going to put
you away well and what that shows them is that they embrace the name because they know that him coming up with that
name means that they are getting to the Teflon con they are getting to the man that couldn't that nobody could put him
away for a long period of time and even though it's also a power move though we're getting into them but by
saying hey you want to call us [ __ ] yeah we are we're the [ __ ] that are going to put you away that's another
thing that kind of Stokes the fire right and and you can see look we like we said we got these
missing women to me it helps that the prosecutors are female because he definitely has a dislike for
females yeah well yes I would agree with that 100 but I also would go take it a step
further and say that it doesn't appear to me that anybody means anything to this guy at all right
I agree attempted murder on his son there is some rumor that he thought about killing his own mother I mean
nobody means anything to him uh paper money is worth more to him than a loved one's
life no but I don't even think it's it's money in the sense of like wanting to build some kind of wealth or or anything
like that it's just it's it's him he is more important than everybody he's a complete psychopath right he he's
willing to kill his ten-year-old son to get this money so then he can continue to just live however he wants yeah
almost uh like he feels like he's a God on some level so the the problem again that we pointed
out is we don't have any bodies for three of these missing persons so they're they're going to have to shift
gears here and this is a little unfortunate that they're going to have to do this but they need to try to find
these missing people these missing victims and nobody at this point believes any of these three to be alive
so unfortunately they're going to have to start talking about a deal a deal with Scott Kimball
so both the prosecutors they drew up a memorandum of understanding to lay out the deal that they struck with Scott
he would plead guilty to stealing fifty five thousand dollars from from the optometrist
and he would agree to lead investigators to the bodies of Jennifer Markham Leanne
Emery and Terry Kimball and for this he would face only a single count of second-degree murder thus avoiding being
prosecuted for first-degree murder which could result in a life sentence in prison or even the death penalty
uh we should point out it was still in effect in Colorado at that time right so basically he's going to be charged
second degree murder which would be life in prison with the possibility of parole
um I don't believe so I actually believe that it would have been lesser than that
really and one of our prosecutors Catherine uh Booth she says that it was like making a deal with the devil they they
nobody felt good about making this deal with him but where their hearts were were with the victims families and that
meant finding and locating those victims so this with what he's going to plead guilty to
one thing that Scott would not be aware of that that katharina booth and uh her partner were very excited about
this did allow the prosecutors to classify Scott Lee Kimball as a habitual offender
now this status this is a status that carries a mandatory sentence of 48 years in prison they're going to get a very
lengthy prison sentence for this guy Scott signed the plea deal in December of 2008 and pled guilty to one count of
theft as a habitual offender then they all sat down Scott included to try to figure out how to find the bodies of the
missing Scott drew a map to where he said he left Terry's body this was near Vale
pass in an area that was completely covered with snow in January so when the map was made up they would have
to wait until the snow was gone to go out and look for the remains Scott said that Terry was in the woods wearing
clothing sneakers and glasses and bound inside a tarp with nylon rope now the following month Scott was issued
a special release from prison so he could lead investigators to the places where uh Jennifer and Leanne were buried
right this he says was in eastern Utah this features thousands of square miles of desert canyons and riverbeds so this
is not an easy area to to search and it's a vast area at that so everyone's disappointment Scott was
unable to pinpoint exactly where the bodies were located this even after Consulting maps and satellite imagery
you do have to wonder here here Captain was Scott unable to pinpoint where the bodies were or unwilling to pinpoint
where the bodies were yeah that's a tough one because I on one level you think well why would he do this anyways well I
guess you're sitting in a prison you got nothing better to do and you get to go out and there and again it's all about
him and so all now he's important again and and but I think maybe I I actually think that there's a
possibility with some of these that he just doesn't know because these are vast areas and some people think he knows
exactly these areas and he's just lying to him which is a possibility because what will
they find and what they might find might lead to actual more evidence to to prove
that this guy's full of [ __ ] so on a second Expedition this again included Scott they set out in March of
2009 this time to Bryson Canyon and this time bones were found between some Boulders that would prove to be
Leanne Emery police also found a bullet fragment which proved to match the 40 caliber gun
owned by Scott Scott LED Searchers on multiple Wild Goose chases in in and out of canyons
creek beds washes and Dry River beds but nothing was ever found uh nothing found of Jennifer Markham right
cadaver dogs and excavations turned up empty police and prosecutors well he also said in an interview though that
the where Jennifer was murdered what he claims is that he was only ever there once right where like maybe some of
these other areas that these women were found he was there more than one time but he's claims with Jennifer markham's
that he was only there ever once so this is where police and prosecutors are starting to
question Scott's cooperativeness and they're they're like it seems like he he's pretty happy to be messing with us
so now they're going to go out and make another attempt to locate Jennifer uh with Scott insisting that Jennifer
was near Leanne's body but then they get to the location and he changes his mind saying actually
no she could be like 60 miles away so this is where I think they're getting the vibe like this dude's messing with
us and he's enjoying it so despite these efforts right but this is the moment in time
that they uncuff him they punch each other in the face a couple times and then they beat
the living [ __ ] out of him with with bats and whatever right and um you know just Kim Pummel him for hours
and then then shoot him and be like how well he ran away then you come back to the station ow where's
Scott at ah he got loose he punched Us in the face and got away and you move on with your life you know
sentence served yeah no don't get me wrong I mean I'm glad these are are good officers I'm I'm with you I I read about
Scott Campbell maybe they'd be better officers I hear about him and I study him and I think to myself yes on many
levels I would love to Dexter this [ __ ] out in the middle of nowhere but but but
sorry we're getting back to the I think your your mouth has the corona back to the story here so
um despite all these efforts by law enforcement Jennifer has never been found prosecutors do believe that Scott
was simply holding back the information on Jennifer's grave this this for several reasons their
suspicions are that either he's holding this back so he could use it at a later time right if he needs to you know
holding back something of value to them but remember his cousin wrote a book about Scott and in that book it's it's
titled SLK the agent the FBI agent told the author that he believes that Scott held this
information back because there's possibly another body is buried with or near Jennifer
so he doesn't want that additional victim to be found oh [Music] yesterday [Applause]
[Music] [Applause] [Music] all right we're back cheers mates he's back and I'm the colonel so Captain
with Scott refusing to fully cooperate prosecutors decide to yank that plea deal they had just entered into with him
a few months earlier now in regards to this his 48-year sentence would still stick so they
weren't really running any risk here this is like you pointed out earlier why not try this you have nothing to lose
type situation right but now what they can do is they believe they can actually prosecute him for
murder so investigators received the lab results back regarding the blood stains
that were found in Scott's Home the results showed that those stains on the carpet of Scott's
former home were in fact blood and they were the blood of Terry Kimball yeah his
uncle his body was found in June of 2009 by Searchers using the detailed map drawn
for them by Scott so sure enough just like Scott said when they found the body Terry was tied and wrapped in tarp
and he had been shot through the head and again the bullet fragment was then later matched to Scott's handgun yeah
and the reason for this again like you said Scott doesn't care about anybody but his uncle he did come in to a little
bit of money and he used to carry around a briefcase with this money and it wasn't a lot of money but it was a lot
of money to Terry so he thought he was a big shot while he was running his mouth
about this money and carrying the the money around in his briefcase and of course you spoke to the wrong person
Yeah you mentioned this to Scott that only cares about himself okay now I got to get rid of you so I can have this
money well now that Scott's back is against the wall he decides that he wants to agree to a new plea deal
so Scott ends up pleading guilty to two counts of second-degree murder in the deaths of Leanne Emery Jennifer Markham
Casey MacLeod and Terry Kimball so they got all four murders technically solved by this time at the sentencing the
families of the victims were able to read Victim Impact statements Jennifer markham's father said quote how many
other people are missing as a result of his life it's time for Scott to be a man and give
back what he took from us Scott did not respond to this he's 43 years old at this time and he was
sentenced to 70 years in prison with parole eligibility after 35 years when he would be
doing the math here 78 years old it's still ridiculous that he has any hope of getting out yeah he won't get out he
will fail those Pro hearings possibly I mean he fooled he's fooled a lot of people and it's hard too because
I mean I know we've said you know these FBI agents were kind of stupid and and the other people that he fooled and he
probably could pick out gullible people but it's hard even when you see like I was we talked before about him making
those statements in an interview that he's only been to the place that Jennifer Markham was murdered once she
doesn't remember and it's like maybe he's telling the truth maybe he's lying we don't know at this point he he just
seems to lie about everything but he also when he talks he doesn't Bundy had this way during his interviews
where it was like this Cockiness and this I'm smarter than you thing and and Scott doesn't come off that way he comes
off very matter of fact so I I don't want to say my my biggest argument with the FBI is that you know
that you're getting into bed with a con man and that you need to be all eyes open
ears open and focused knowing that this guy is probably going to try to con you as well the other thing I notice about
him when you talk about interviews with Scott Campbell one thing that he is amazing at really his ability to
answer time and time again with an answer that is just loaded with vagueness that
doesn't really doesn't really suggest that that he's denying what you're asking him or
agreeing with what you're asking him right it just kind of leaves the door half open to every question every
possibility so Scott later tells the Daily Camera in a written answers to questions
as to why he took this plea deal he says quote I'm a gambler I know a great deal
when I see one I was already doing 48 years for fraud why take a chance of receiving four death sentences or life
sentences without parole when I could put four potential murder cases to rest right
in 2011 and a 47-page letter to his cousin this is the the man that wrote the book Scott
Air quotes confessed to the four murders he said that he and Casey were alone when she OD'd on the meth alcohol and
oxy mix that he gave her Scott says he gave a fatal dose of heroin to Jennifer Markham and says that
he shot both Leanne and Terry Scott's cousin Ed coetz says nobody can have confidence that Scott is speaking the
complete truth because of his long history of lying now I think Scott is trying to be honest but he has problems
I think there's still things he's holding back on and I think he has difficulty sometimes mentally and
psychologically differentiating truth from fiction because he has had to live his lies for so long I think it's part
of his pathology well it's possibly part of the reason why he passed a lie detector test
because if you don't think it's a lie then how is it going to show deception that's just one of many things that the
great George Costanza has taught all of us right right so but I think these crimes
I think he was uh infatuated with Jennifer Markham well that's perfect that you bring this up now because I I
want to take this now that we know for certain that he committed these murders we know that by his own his own
statements and by all the evidence that the investigators were able to put together
you're you're bringing up the very interesting topic of motive right so if we start with Terry
Scott comes out and whether you want to believe him or not it seems believable because again this guy has done all
these fraudulent things for money it's possible that he would then kill somebody then for money and he says well
you know Terry came into some money I think killed him for that money and then we look at like the motive of
why he would want to kill a son about that sixty thousand dollars overhead as far as insurance and we already know
that he has committed insurance fraud so is it it's not that far to go well it's
another insurance fraud just add on murder to that where I think it gets interesting
is the three females and you know he meets or basically is aware of two of the females through inmates almost like he's
envious of the inmates that's why you have these girls coming to see you riding pictures of them right hear
stories from these other guys yeah and he's such a con artist that that's all he needs that little bit of an in
and he can then be around you and I don't think necessarily that any of these women
wanted him in any sexual manner I he might not have been he might not have even tried that angle right he
might just like with Jennifer Markham when when you start going okay you need a place to stay I'll give you a place to
stay you know I'll be an answer for you and then at some point my obsession with
you or some sexual desire is going to come out because I do believe that um Scott is a rapist a murderer
I believe those were the motives yeah yeah well so we have Scott's cousin Ed Cohen who who would issue a statement
on Scott's behalf and please do not hear what I am not saying but this is Scott's words all right okay
don't hear what I'm not saying these are Scott's words I mean no ill will toward
his cousin Ed I actually think that Ed writing the book um SLK is an attempt to help
with some of these investigations and help put together a record of of what we believe to be the truth so I think Ed's
trying to help the case he's issuing this statement on Scott's behalf these are Scott's words this is after Scott's
sentencing he basically blames the FBI for his own actions and look the the words of whatever that that
statement that that's got issues some could say it's interesting some could say Nick could you include it
would you read it and I'll tell you what no I'm not going to read any part of that here because
this is a man Scott Kimball that is so damn cold-blooded he time and time again planned the murders of those around him
some of these people he was supposed to be helping some that were helping him and one person that he planned to murder
but thankfully it didn't work he tried to kill his 10 year old son the only person deserving of blame in
any of these matters is Scott Lee Kimball a man so evil and so cowardice that he tried to kill a little boy
Scott Lee Kimball is not anything special even as a con man he's a loser everything this coward attempted or
tried to get away with he eventually failed yes it took a long time but he failed
last week we spoke of a letter Scott wrote regarding the man that sexually assaulted Scott when he was young and
that that man that cruel and cowardice man his name was Theodore Payton by the way Scott says that that man just
destroyed his childhood and robbed him of his innocence and I believe that to be an extremely accurate statement but
Scott grew up to be and decided to be a man even more cruel and cowardice than the man who stole his innocence
so when we talk about motive with this creep it's just not so simple as to pointing to money as the motivating
factor because when we talk about Scott Campbell we are discussing a psychopathic killer one that reminds me
very much of Leonard Lake and H.H Holmes or what I believe is more fun to say calling him by his real name Herman
Webster budget likely we have a multitude of motives that likely varies based on the victim
right financial gain covering up other crimes and sexual sadism and Scott claims that his major
motivator was greed Scott wrote These are his words quote if anybody wants to know why I did what I did my answer is
that I always did it for the money huge amounts of money end quote but Scott is a liar he spent his whole
adult life lying to everyone right all of the time so it's easy to believe that he is lying here as well because what
huge amount of money did he get when he abducted and murdered his soon-to-be wife's daughter Casey the answer is none
and then we have one of our beloved prosecutors Amy akobu the assistant D.A who helped
nail Scott said his motives were pretty simple he liked to control people she said I
think he thrived more on the ability to manipulate and control the relationship even while they were still alive for a
while to have that power and use them for what he could use them for while he could
until he just didn't need it anymore [Music] [Applause] [Music] all right everybody stay safe thanks for
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Brief Summary

Scott Kimball's case involves multiple murders, suspicious accidents, and a plea deal for body locations that he ultimately fails to fulfill.

Key points

Scott's Alibi Unravels. Scott claimed he was in the mountains when Jennifer went missing, but evidence suggests otherwise.
The Insurance Policy Motive. A life insurance policy on Scott's son raises questions about his intentions.
The Disappearance of Uncle Terry. Scott's uncle mysteriously vanished, leading to a bizarre email that raised suspicions.
A Deal with the Devil. Prosecutors struck a deal with Scott to locate missing bodies in exchange for a lesser charge.
Attempts to Locate Jennifer. Despite efforts, Scott's cooperation in finding Jennifer's body raises doubts.
Victim Impact Statements. Families of the victims confront Scott during sentencing, expressing their grief and anger.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

He was only a witness, but he didn't go to law enforcement.

Scott's questionable actions after witnessing a murder.

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