Otto Warmbier /// True Crime Garage | Forensic Files

[Applause] [Music] [Applause] welcome welcome welcome welcome to you as well it's the 44th episode 44th
episode of off the record wow eventually we'll get to 300 three and then I'm out I'm out and then
we're quitting that'll be the last episode number 300 did you watch any of the um NFL
combine the underwear Olympics as some people like to call it yeah I watched some of it there's this
guy uh and I know we got plenty of True Crime stuff to talk about but I just want to mention this cuz I I just got
say it out loud because it seems crazy there's this dude DK metf he's a wide receiver and he is like 1% body fat is
what he checked in at or maybe under that if that's even possible but um he they have to bench 225 lbs and they
count the Reps and it goes on your you know your resume to get into the NFL and he did I think he did 28 reps which
which is a tie for the record by a wide receiver you wide receivers typically don't lift a lot of weight but doesn't
he come from a family with running backs and wide receivers and he he may uh I don't know a lot about the guy other
than he's like a physical specimen like he he he's the one that you should like put a poster of him on your wall
somewhere to to inspire you to work out yeah I saw him run his 40 which was pretty fast not as fast as
Campbell though okay yeah they they they were worried about his 40 time because of uh just his muscle
massh but what's what's funny to me is Nick Bosa which arguably could be the first pick of the draft to go to Arizona
um there were saying his combine might suck like his numbers just might not that was the prediction that his
combine might suck yeah but I I believe his uh I mean other than like the weightlifting and stuff like that I
believe his brother's numbers aren't great but basically they're like so these numbers matter on some level but
then you got somebody like a freak of nature Nick Bosa that when he actually plays he does what he's supposed to do
and then the numbers don't line up well makes sense and then he beat all of his brothers numbers is what I saw uh beat
all of Joey's numbers but you know like you said it it doesn't really 100% translate into NFL success because right
I was curious about when I saw the DK mataf put up 28 reps at 225 which I've never lifted
225 tried to bench press it once ever I don't I I couldn't um but well that's maybe something you can work
towards this year well they were I was looking at I wanted to see like what other records They had
for reps at 225 and there's some dudes that have put up like 54 56 reps I can't remember the exact number that's the the
record but they're all all the dudes at the top of that list you've never heard of them uh you know as an NFL player so
right big and strong and yeah and Joey Bosa may had may have had terrible numbers but I mean
he's he's already proven in the NFL that he's a dominant player I mean he's he's
a GameChanger well and that's the thing is though you have the eye test and you always have the eye test and yeah and if
you pass the eye test well then what are your numbers but but again somebody like Joey Bosa or Nick
Bosa they pass ey test with flying colors right that you don't care what their numbers are so it's pretty
interesting so yeah that was going on this weekend UFC this weekend college basketball is so interesting right now
yeah I watched that that Tennessee game which was good the high State game was awful yeah and I Was preparing for our
you know actual show mhm and I don't know how it happened was playing a little guitar
like got done like with most of the stuff I was taking a little little break mhm and I fell down this Rabbit Hole
last night and it was one of those rabbit holes where you start falling down the rabbit
hole and you actually think that what you are hearing or reading or whatever you're looking to is fake okay that it's
just made up and Alex Jones was on The Joe Rogan podcast and that's been like a big controversy because he's knocked off
all the platforms and Joe finally had him back and it's it's an insane episode but what's but what's interesting is he
he does bring up some things that on the surface just sounds like complete Wackadoo nonsense MH well they have
people looking this up why he is talking about they're like factchecking as he's
just rambling yeah and some of the stuff that they're bringing up there were I mean this was stuff that was reported in
like the American science journal so it's not like that sounds like a reputable place right and and this um
and this is a crime so I I want to talk about um oh we're going to talk about something they were talking about no but
but it was it felt the same way when like I first start started watching a couple videos
um on the on this case M and I just thought well this is this is not right this is this is made up this doesn't
even sound right and why haven't I heard more about this but that's kind of what
happens with I think some of the crazier news right uh so Auto warm warm beer uto
warm beer is a person's name yes he was a student he was an American student he's from Cincinnati Ohio which is about
an hour and a half away from us H he attended High School um did well was popular I believe he was
second in his class okay but he actually gave a speech so I don't know if they have like the Val Victorian give a
speech and the the second person or if the valid Victorian like I think when when I graduated we didn't have the
valid Victorian do a speech because he was you know some 16-year-old Prodigy kid that didn't want to give the speech
okay so it went to the next person so he gave this great speech you can see that
online he ends up going to the University of Virginia and he's studying a double major and commerce and in uh
economics and he's doing a for a foreign exchange program through the London School of um economics and
then a minor and global stability now what's interesting is he's actually going to China to study some programs
there MH he he he's doing a lot of stuff and he was 22 at the time 21 22 at the time so he is traveling all over the
world he went to like Ecuador he went you know like I said China and he decides that he wants to go to North
Korea and when he goes to so he's in Hong Kong completing like a study abroad program M gets it where he can um he can
take this trip to North Korea and it's going to be about $1,400 which is really not that bad but
he's already in Hong Kong right but it's for like five days seven days okay and it's
through I'm trying to figure out I'm trying to find where it says because it was like one of these
like through YouTube and all these stuff where it's like come travel with us and
take this um the tour of uh North Korea with this company it's like it almost sounds like one of those
group tours yeah but it but this was more for students this was like you know and they they promoted as like this is
the tour your mom doesn't want you to go on right I can agree with that right and
so this is the tour I don't I don't want you to go on we're talking about going to North Korea right yeah yeah like I
don't vacation in Baghdad you know there just some places that I not only do I have no desire to go I have a strong
desire to stay the hell away from it's well it's funny because it keeps on saying his tour group I'm just
looking this up on Wikipedia so I I end up watching this like two-part series on
it and then I end up watching these other interviews with his parents then I end up and we'll get into the other
stuff did you find all the stuff on YouTube is that by like ABC CNN okay so there's probably a lot of people
there are going you didn't hear about this you idiot uh no I was working on the show so I'm normally in the dark
about a lot of this is this like recent events that we're going to be you're going to be hitting me with here oh no
it's 2017 okay so almost a year ago but but it's okay so let's get into it so he decides that he's going to go from
Hong Kong to North Korea he's a part of this tour group uh yeah young Pioneer tours is what it's called okay
and yeah the their slogan is this is the trip your parents don't want you to take
right and the stuff that they take them to they they had a breakdown on ABC where it was like they went here first
and they went here first now none of this was like like they explain to you how to behave
they explain to you don't do this don't do that right they bring you up to speed
like on the the customs and stuff like like you know well and their laws are way different because you have this
regime that you can't like make fun of MH you can't like you couldn't like let's say there was a statue of Kim
Young right right you couldn't like go the supreme leader go up and like Kiss the statue and take a picture
okay you can be arrested for that okay now look every country has the right to have its own laws and you should have
then when you go to that country you should obey by those laws but here's where it gets creepy to
me so they're staying at this hotel called the Yang G yangu yatu International Hotel now mainly this
hotel is for you know like congressmen like diplomats and stuff would go there okay
so very strange thing about let me spell this Yang gotu cuz you you want to look up some
other stuff just about this hotel so it's y a n g g a k d o International Hotel mhm so that's where they're
staying and this hotel is super strange it doesn't have a fifth floor is is five a bad number over there
like cuz cuz here we you know there's a lot of buildings that don't have a 13th floor right so so technically there is a
fifth floor and it's smaller mhm so like the other ones have taller ceilings this one
is smaller well like I think 2 I think it was 2011 or so there was American Tourist that got into the fifth
floor and videotaped it and I so there so there is a fifth floor or some believe that there's actually a
fifth floor yeah and they they claim that they use it for like security and all that stuff but if you
want to go to the dark side it's like this is for security but this is also I mean they're bugging your rooms
because and they're allowed to do this it's their government but they're bugging these rooms to hear what the
people are talking about blah blah blah and so the the video footage that you see of the fifth floor again it's real
small so like maybe the ceilings are let's say 7 feet tall mhm and there's all this propaganda on the walls you
know like we're the best country there's some signs that have giant bombs that say USA on
them like they're going to bomb us and so he's traveling with this group The Young Pioneer tours he has a roommate
that's quite a bit older he says that the whole time on the trip that Otto is a super nice kid super smart having a
lot of fun he's not Rowdy and they go to the air port and they're going to leave and then all of a
sudden they were um he was arrested he got a tap on the shoulder and uh two guards came uh simply tapped Otto on the
shoulder and led him away was he the only American in this group or do you I mean if you don't know
you don't know I'm not for sure but it's a group of people and he's the only one
that's arrested yeah okay and then his his roommate said jokingly well that's the last time we
see you you know just kind of making a joke right well Otto kind of you know he didn't resist he didn't look scared he
sort of half smiled so then what the North Korean government says is that Otto tried
to that Otto did get to the fifth floor after a night of drinking that he was dressed in black and he was pulling down
one of the propaganda Signs Now where it gets interesting is they show you the footage and you can't tell if it's him
or not right and a lot of people actually believe that it was this other guy in the group and there's like he you
know he has all these pictures with the group like you know from traveling and and and being being a tourist and
there's all these pictures of him playing with North Korean kids doing snowball fights and stuff like that mhm
and so they claimed that he tried to pull down this poster and that he was trying to smuggle it out of the
country again I think it's strange that he gets tapped on the shoulder and he doesn't seem nervous at all yeah and he
just kind of goes well but but I mean he could have I mean there's a chance that
it could just be a uh you know a a made a made video to to claim that somebody to claim that
Otto went to the fifth floor right you know it could it could it didn't even have to be somebody in the group it
could just be total conspiracy somebody else yeah staged this thing and said well if if the US reaches out and we
need a reason for why we've taken this person captive uh we need to we need to be able
to show them something and go oh look no he did this while he was here we this is
no good we're going to lock him up yeah so then he gets he gets interrogated I that's probably not the
correct word he's probably tortured at some point is what I'm guessing so then he confesses to doing
it but it doesn't seem it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense well and here's the thing torture
is a horrible way to go about questioning or interrogating anyone because most people if not damn near
everyone at some point they're going to give in and just say they did whatever you are accusing them of to hopefully
stop whatever you're doing to them you know it's you're not going to get to the truth by applying pain to people yeah I
mean they say it's not known whether the confession was forced or not so there's
two videos of him that I could find there's possibly more but there's one that's about 30 minutes long where he
goes into great detail on this confession and it sounds like like something that Alex Jones
would make up mhm he starts talking about how this Methodist Church in his hometown that one of his friends mothers
was like Hey we're a part of this organization and we go into countries that especially communist countries and
we try to spread Christianity and we will give you like I think he needed a car or something and she's like we'll
give you a a car that's worth $10,000 mhm but you have to bring back something bring back one of the these you know
propaganda posters and we'll give you $10,000 but if you're cap if they capture you then and now now mind you the first
video that you see him is a month after being there I mean he's arrested and nobody sees him for a month and I think
the next one was a month after that okay so he's arested at uh roughly two two months at this point and he's saying hey
this church this lady this church and and why is this church important well they donated a bunch of money to
President Obama and that's why that they're so important and all these people come
through Cincinnati they stop there and they're you know heavily influencing the United States
government but is this so strange but if you're captured if they detain you well
we're going to give $200,000 to your family and it's all this nonsense too about like how his
family is so poor and all this stuff it's just like and that is nonsense his parents are you know not they're not
poor they're not yeah but they're not rich but they're not poor the middle class people right and and the fact of
the matter is you know his parents were giving him some extra money like he had some money to go on the trip the parents
gave the extra money I mean they're helping him go to college so so not poor and so then he says well they're
going to give them $200,000 now that sounds nuts but the other thing that sounds nuts is he's saying that that was
an obligation that he had with his family that if his brother and sister were going to go to college that he had
to come up with $200,000 never heard of that before you know what I mean like been in America a
long time I don't know one friend of mine that went to college and then had to pay for their brothers and sisters
College you see what I mean I I I've actually heard of that before but I don't think it's not common in any way
at all I I've I have heard that um but it's a very small percentage of people but the whole the whole premise was that
their their family was so poor right so and there's so that's strange but what's
really strange is then he starts talking about the Z the Z society which is a secret society and this is Otto yeah
telling us this and this is like I think it's like about 40 minutes you can watch
the whole thing he basically comes out he lays out everything that happened and then they have people ask questions mhm
and the way they do so is so strange because whoever asks the question then this person that's sitting
beside Otto will then go into more detail um it's almost like a stage who's the person sitting next to him it's
almost like the judge okay you what I mean so he's confessing and then he's like hey if you have any questions and
then they ask questions to aut sometimes he answers but after he anwers the person goes into bigger detail cuz
they're really trying to connect this church to our government and then this secret society the Z society which is a
secret society at the University of Virginia which they claimed that he wanted to join and they're allies with
the CIA which if you look into the Z society as far as Virginia goes it's kind of
like skull and crossbones right type of idea and so that that's the other whole thing that like by doing this that he
was going to get ahead and because guys with good grades they can get super great paying jobs once they're done but
to get into the Z Society you have to do some sort of Bravery so this would be his act and this is what he's saying
this is what Otto's confessing to but again it keeps talking about how he's in cahoots
with the government like this church is in cahoots with government the Z sociey In Cahoots with the government they're
in cahoots with the CIA so therefore I am right right so um uh so a lot of people then think that
all this stuff was just written for him he's brainwashed well is a speculation no not even that he's brainwashed that's
just and this happens with terrorist groups all the time you know let's take somebody
hostage and then we make them read this thing right you know and you'll see people say you know I'm I was arrested
because I was doing blah blah blah blah blah and they weren't doing anything but
they have to admit it or they're going to get killed so it gets strange because then Obama uh
the Obama this happens I think at the start of or at the end of Obama's terms but Obama and and that our regime says
to the parents hey we can't make a big deal about this let's we're going through these back doors we're going to
try to work this out because he is basically sentenced to like 10 to 15 years of like manual labor oh great yeah
for something we're not convinced he actually did yeah we don't know for sure we have video footage but we don't know
it's him uh there is no trial now you're getting this guy to confess in this super strange way and talking about
these secret societies and blah blah blah blah blah right and it's just it's strange it's
bizarre and if you watch his confession it's strange and there's a couple points
where when they're walking him they're holding his arms but you see his arms like down in front of him handcuffed and
they're almost like not moving properly you know kind of how like weaken at Bernie when you when they're carrying
Bernie mhm it's almost like he has like these goofy arms you have to watch the footage to just it's very strange like
there's to me I think there's evidence that there's something going on with his legs and his
arms and then he's do this crying you know like think about my family and and people say that's acting I don't know if
it's acting but it's but it's it if it's acting it makes sense because it is so bizarre and maybe he's just a bad actor
but it's but it's it's just so bizarre and there was like a couple times like he gets up and I don't know if he bows
but it's it's very strange he he's the young man that they had on I I'm making a guess here so tell me
if you think I'm right or wrong but is he the young man that was in a suit and they're like walking him out of what
appears to be maybe a court or some kind of press conference or yeah okay I remember confession okay I remember
seeing cuz they played them walking him out of that on just about every news station kind of
repeatedly and all I really remember of it is the it was a scary image to see them walking him out cuz he doesn't
appear to be he doesn't appear to be leaving on his own in any way like like like the
brain's not firing on all you know what I mean like like his body's not responding yeah and it's strange though
too because he you know he's obviously intelligent so like when he's giving the confession and he's answering questions
he's very polite he's very like like his brain is together at that point mhm so he's basically I think arrested
and after that time I think nobody sees him and um I'm trying to think let me look this
up real quick so it so they have the C CCTV footage and they claim fingerprint evidence witness
testimony he was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor labor uh Human Rights Watch called the
hearing um a kangaroo court oh uh and they they describe the sentencing as outrageous and shocking again you're
trying to steal a poster which they caught you if they did catch you then you got the poster back and also just uh
produce the poster show us that that whatever you think he was trying to steal that you have because if he did
steal it and he's in line to leave the country then you know would see that so that's
on March 18th and again there's a brief low resolution video timestamped 1:57 a.m. a figure moves a poster from a
corridor wall and places it on the floor leaning against the wall the footage released uh does not display any other
events uh so then he claims that uh during his confession that he abandoned the poster after discovering it was too
large to carry away so you got a guy that graduated second in his class you don't think he thought of that before he
tried to steal it right you know um so it's is super strange but is there any chance that he is being talked about
by people that uh people in power like because we've been having or attempting to have some talks with North Korea you
would think that his name and I'm sure there might be other people as well but you know when you try to extend the
olive branch and and and have some kind of decent relationship with countries that you've not got along with sometimes
they you know you'll make a request hey can you release this guy to us as an act
of good faith right so they end up Le releasing um a so warm beer what a name warm beer not
cold beer warm beer but they release him and and I believe three others well here's where it gets even more [ __ ] up
all right when you say they release them they release them to us to the United States yeah but the problem is when
they're taking Auto off the the plane he is not coherent at all he's they basically as they're releasing him to us
they're like oh yeah by the way he's in a coma oh okay so it was the same guy and that's the footage I remember seeing
the news footage and but then the the dad talks about like when they before they brought him off the plane that he
heard like these noises coming from the plane mhm and he could see that his son was like held down in Restraint and like
has restraints on him but he's making almost like animal noises um and he thought what the hell's
going on well but he's in a coma and their whole thought was now he's going to be back in Cincinnati we're going to
get him the treatment he needs he's in a coma but hey he's here we're going to be
able to take care of this he's going to get out of the coma and everything will be fine right so they give some speeches
they're optimistic they're emotional obviously but they're optimistic well six 6 days later he dies
yeah so yeah I remember this but here's where it gets even were they able to find anything in his system like because
I I believe that the speculation was that they were injecting him with something well so they what the Korean
government says is oh well you know coma we think it's botulism right and so you
can contract this from like food Airborne too but but they think they got from food and then what that does is
it's like a really bad disease where it starts eating your brain tissue and you start losing function of your arms your
legs uh your sight everything what and what they were saying if I remember correctly they were
kind of given the old well he was fine when we had him weren't they kind of saying that
like well they're well they're trying to say that he's in a coma because of botulism right and then we do all these
studies and we go oh well there's no link there is no sign of Bot botulism okay I think I'm pronouncing that
correctly sounds right um but yeah so the whole thing was that he fell into a coma after taking some
sleeping pills I I don't think that's correct at all um so then there was this idea that they fed him certain drugs and
those drugs would have been drugs that would have basically deteriorated his brain cells and his brain tissue and the
more brain tissue that you destroy then eventually I mean the doctors here said he he didn't
even recognize language that he also didn't recognize them as being being like human like
they're talking to him there's no recognition right and then he he ends up dying like I said six days later and now
you have Trump that says well I talked to Kim Young and and and he says he didn't know anything about it that's
possible I I don't I don't put that past him you're you're the head of this country do you know of
everything that's happening right probably not but you're allowing these people to do this stuff anyways so
whether or not you knew about this one case you know that this stuff is happening oh yeah and but but the other
I mean some of the details like when the parents say when they pulled him off the
plane the mom could see her son's bottom teeth and she said it looked like they were Twisted with pliers m
so what is it and it's so crazy because I mean you have a you have a human that is not even understanding
that a language is being spoken to him right not even recognizing as anything and how does this guy go from a super
intelligent kid to 18 months in captivity to so brain dead that he ends up dying 6 days after they release him
mhm and it's back in the news now because and maybe that's what you know struck YouTube to say hey check this
story out and I I want to dive into it more I mean I don't know all the little details like I said I watched a bunch of
these like one parter two-parter things on on YouTube but I also watched the whole confession which was I believe
like 37 minutes long but it was just so crazy and then when you Brin into this whole Z
society and this you know Methodist Church and that stuff sounds so made up but at
the same time there is a z Society at University of Virginia there is a Methodist Church in this whole town that
is is a very wealthy Church mhm so it's strange but and you have this kid that's super bright and he's
traveling a lot but again we're going to send our best and brightest over there to steal a a
poster you know what I mean if you want to if you want to learn about things if you want to do some damage to this
regime you're not going to steal a poster I mean what's this poster going to do oh see look I showed you this
poster that's the easiest thing to dismiss I mean you can even have footage of you stealing the poster from a wall
and people could say somebody put that poster on that wall and you took it down or you put
that poster up on the wall and then took it down you you see what I'm saying like
a a poster in North Korea of them saying that they hate America or Americans that's not what's that going
to do you know what I mean like that's not going to spark this outrage where we go
hey we might go to war with you but this kid's death you want to talk about some
outrage you know what I mean yeah the death of this kid that's outrage and we've seen in this
country when there's a tragedy and there becomes outrage that that sometimes leads to
people throwing up their hands and saying hey if you want war you got War so it's it's a very interesting case
in aay that hasn't really dove into it I'd say you know if you're bored sitting around and you want to dive into
something this it's really fascinating it's really fascinating to watch the confession and to watch the tapes of
this of this kid and and then the parents as well especially the parents now cuz the parents were they they they
were trying to be as respectful as possible now they're going look this is ridiculous right this is uh
these guys are responsible for our son's death yeah I think that there should be
some consequence for this happening yeah they filed a lawsuit against them against North Korea they won the lawsuit
but again I believe they did and but that doesn't mean anything they're not going to
make you know I mean they're not going to make anybody pay yeah you know it's like yeah they want
they want some legal thing over here but what do that mean right 17 months total
in prison but uh such a sad story and and especially coming from a kid from Cincinnati and he I mean he keeps on
saying Cincinnati Ohio and it's just uh during the the confession and the more he keeps saying that the more it hits
home with me and I go this kid's just you know and this kid's an hour this kid was a hour and a half away from
us and and this should be talked about more because they've been trying to pass a
law recently where you're not allowed to travel to North Korea and I do know that
the group that he was traveling with the young Pioneers are not I mean they've had
thousands upon thousands of people that they took on these tours and nothing bad
happened right and yes are they saying this is the this is a tour your mom doesn't want
you to go on whatever they they were telling people the rules the people there were normally
respectful and but now they're not even taking people over there anymore like right we
we're not even going to take the chances I mean this kid basically came back like
a zombie and that's very sad well and they could I mean if this happened once I mean they it seems like they
could just willy-nilly detain anybody they want for whatever reason they want and then this could be the sad terrible
outcome from that you know so it's horrible stuff horrible stuff but it's like crazy once you start hearing
that stuff about the Methodist Church the Z Society it's like is you know is that is there anything to that
it doesn't make any sense but then it's like is North Korea making him say this and and why you know what I mean like
why would they make him say stuff like that well I mean really there's there's what three
possible you know explanations for this either a this is something he actually believed and was something that there
might be some truth to or B this is something that was fed to him by his captors right right to to repeat
and to go into detail about and that's what I think we're we probably should lean toward that as being the
explanation because as you said there's like a Handler there with him you know uh filling in the blanks and and adding
to the story or C your third explanation could be was this is this a hallucination that
would that he does believe but it created by whatever poison they're pumping through his
veins yeah yeah or they're saying hey why did you do this and he said I didn't why did
you do this I didn't oh let's feed you some more drugs I didn't I didn't oh why did I do this oh well there's a secret
society in the University of Virginia one of the things I thought funny was he said uh that uh when he was a freshman
when he started school is when he first learned about the secret society and I thought if it's so secret this is
probably not something you'd learn the first quarter that you're in school or the first semester you're in school if
it's so secretive but it it is interesting if you do look up um University of Virginia as as we
talk about college basketball coming up on the University of V Virginia on the campus you'll see Z's
everywhere there's on steps they're like they're hidden in plain sight almost and
so that's but I think people also don't deny that there is is it a secret society Maybe not maybe it's more of
this skull and crossbones but definitely it was a rabbit hole that uh I dove down and
I couldn't get out of so [Music] [Applause]

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses Otto Warmbier's tragic case and the NFL combine performances, including DK Metcalf's record bench press.

Key points

The NFL Combine Phenomenon. DK Metcalf astounds with 28 reps at 225 lbs, challenging norms for wide receivers.
Otto Warmbier's Controversial Trip. Otto Warmbier's journey to North Korea leads to his arrest and a shocking confession.
The Bizarre Confession. The confession video raises questions about the young man's mental state and behavior.
Legal Consequences. Otto's parents win a lawsuit against North Korea, but what does it mean?
Tragic Outcome. Otto Warmbier's release from North Korea ends in tragedy just days later.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

This is the trip your parents don't want you to take.

Discussing a risky tour to North Korea.

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