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2022 just a few weeks ago we came out and we did uh show on the Idaho College murders there has been a big major
update in this case as most of you probably have heard and are already aware of Brian Christopher
koberger age 28 has been arrested in connection with the quadruple homicide case out of Idaho
University Brian Christopher koberger is a resident of pman Washington he was a arrested at about 1:00 a.m. on Friday
December 30th by the Pennsylvania State Police this is 7 weeks or so after four University of Idaho students were
stabbed to death in their beds Brian coburger was apprehended in albrightsville which is in northeastern
the northeastern portion of Pennsylvania which is about 2500 miles away from the
Idaho campus he will be charged with four counts of first degree murder and burglary and as said he's in
Pennsylvania and he will be extradited back to Idaho where he will be formally charged from my understanding there was
supposed to be an extradition hearing tomorrow scheduled for Tuesday January 3D however it sounds like Brian is
waving that hearing and has agreed to be extra died back to Idaho so we're coming
to you today not as a new show you know we're not a new show here in the garage we are simply here to update you on a
case that we covered late last year and a case that's been very much in the news
Nationwide and if you want to go back and listen to our previous coverage that is true crime garage episode number
634 Captain I believe that in that episode you had predicted that there would likely be an arrest or or you were
at least hoping for an arrest before the new year and here we are to say Happy New Year to each other and happy New
Year to the listeners out there then we have this exciting news about an arrest it's really good to see this case not
dragging on like so many other tragic cases where we're still seeking answers well first of all we can't be a news
show because they don't let two dum dum heads drink beer with no pants on do the
news we've asked multiple times and they've declined it every single time it wasn't on the show where we actually
covered the case but the following between us doing a main episode a main True Crime garage episode and then doing
our bonus show off the record between that time period law enforcement came out and said hey we're looking for a car
and we're looking for the occupants of that car and again not the smartest guy in the
room not even the second smartest guy in the garage but I do listen and what the
colonel has said over and over for the last five six years law enforcement is very good at tracking down
Vehicles so once that statement was made by law enforcement my gut was telling me
they're on to something they're on to somebody and once they find that vehicle they'll find this suspect now when they
find Brian like you said almost 2500 miles away the chief of police States oh that
that car that we're looking for that Hyundai Elantra we believe we found the car not we we think we found a car
that's similar no we think we found the car that we're looking for and we found the suspect we're looking for and you're
absolutely right there Captain we do so many of these shows so it gets a little confusing sometimes but yes we did a
brief followup on off the Record about a week after putting out the episode it was by that time that we
had learned that they were looking for a vehicle and one thing that we expressed
on off the Record was our enthusiasm at the idea that they are so specific about
the type of vehicle that they were looking for they had it narrowed down to within a couple years they had make
model and color and a lot of times when we cover these cases we're getting an eyewitness statement that is such a
generic description of a vehicle that it doesn't I mean it helps in some way in some form or fashion but not the way
that it it worked here in this case you know you take something like Deli and you see that you have three different
eyewitnesses giving three completely different descriptions of a vehicle that was in question and that doesn't really
drive the investigation in any One Direction here you have the opposite where they were very specific about the
type of vehicle that they were looking for a couple things that that that tells me you know we we look at these cases a
little differently than some other people do so we look at the cases by trying to examine the case self examine the
evidence itself fill in some of the blanks but at the same time we are also examining the
investigation and there's a little bit of speculation and I will imagine that this will get cleared up here rather
shortly especially once we get this guy back to Idaho but there's speculation was it DNA or was it the car that led
investigators to this suspect and to making an arrest and I've heard it reported both ways some are screaming
from the mountain tops it was the DNA it was the DNA and others are saying it was
the vehicle again we like hearing here in the garage when they're looking for a very specific vehicle we talked so many
times about how the timeline and I know that this is the the colonel being Captain Obvious here but timelines are
so crucial to any investigation and one thing they were able to do in this case is really narrow down the time of of
death in this investigation and therefore when we're being told by law enforcement that they are looking for a
very specific type of vehicle that tells me that they have proof positive reasons
to be looking for that vehicle could it just be an eyewitness I think it probably goes beyond that I think that
they probably had some kind of digital evidence that this vehicle was seen going into this area around the time
leading up to the murders and probably leaving the area after the murders were believed to have been committed so they
they really narrowed down the the time of death in this case and then we start looking for this vehicle and this is
where TV art really does imitate life because if you watch shows like Law and Order or other dramatized fictional
crime shows you will see that often they are law enforcement will be using programs that will really help them
decipher what exact kind of vehicle that they were looking for so they could have
some kind of video evidence that may show just the side of the vehicle or show the headlights of the vehicle and
oftentimes they can make out what kind of body style we are looking for based off of the headlights or the tail lights
and o or other factors of that vehicle other details of that vehicle that's in question and so here we have a situation
they're looking for a very specific vehicle within just a couple years because that tells me they they've
identified the body style body styles typically run for several years and that's why they tell us hey this from
this year to this year Mak model Hyundai Elantra white this is what we're looking
for yeah I agree with you I think it's probably some type of CCTV because once you nail down this
timeline line and you know roughly when these murders took place and the the time Gap was very small so it wouldn't
be that hard to go to local businesses and local homeowners because that's one thing that law enforcement has above and
beyond years and years prior is the video technology that people have at their house whether it's a Simply Safe
or whether it's a a ring doorbell just think about that a couple houses on that street that have a ring doorbell that
the police could go to and look there's a quadruple homicide in your neighborhood people are willing to come
forward and help and give that information so as we said Brian Christopher koberger age 28 will be
charged with four counts of first degree murder and burglary DNA evidence played
a key role in linking the murders to coburger according to NBC News koberger is listed as a PhD student in the
department of Criminal Justice and criminology at Washington State University which is 10 miles west and
just across the state line from the University of Idaho that's something we noticed immediately I had never heard of
the location of the quadruple homicide I was aware of the University of Idaho but
not certain exactly where it was located in the great state of Idaho but very quickly when you look into that case you
notice wow you go just a couple minutes Drive West and now you're out of Idaho and into Washington
Washington state that is this University where cob Berger was attending about 10
miles west just across the state line from the University of Idaho yeah and I think a lot of people in the media are
making a big deal about this I I don't think it's that big of a deal that this guy studied criminology you're going to
tell me that Ted Bundy Jeffrey dmer Ed keer BTK guys like like that weren't experts in this
field they were experts they were they were studying it they were studying the people before them I mean heck we see a
lot of times in school shootings or mass killings where there's documented evidence that those people were studying
the killers that came before them so I don't know what triggered this man to do what he did I think that's going to be
what everybody's going to be waiting for but so many rumors coming out and and some that we can state are factual one
chief of police said when they arrested Brian that the first thing he asked was has anybody else been arrested now I
don't know what law enforcement knows so I don't know if they think that there might be another perpetrator I'm
guessing the evidence at the scene of the crime would suggest yes or no on that that answer but obviously they
can't tell us because they got to keep a lot of this information close to the vest but I think maybe he said something
like that just to throw them off yeah I was going to say I think that reaction is like the least incriminating reaction
that one could have and we should we do have to say this here Captain before we move on Brian coburger should be
presumed innocent until proven otherwise in the court of law we are not here to deem him to be guilty in the in the
court of public opinion we are going to review what information we have at this time being that Monday just the Monday
after his arrest and I know and believe fully that we will get a lot more information about the investigation
about the evidence against coburger and what may if anything connect him to one or two or more of
these victims yeah I was shared with a source that I have uh it was a I believe a Twitter account now this could be a a
fake Twitter account but it was an account for Brian and he was following two of the victims so a lot of people
were speculating that he was stalking these victims he and he might have been one of the things that we can state for
another fact is that the chief of police came out and said they do not have the murder weapon yet now they did the
search at the crime scene and they stopped the search and it was going to be cleaned they bring in a company to
clean it all up and then they work with the property management company so then they can basically be done with the
scene a local court for whatever reason I can't get the details on why this happened but a local Court contacted law
enforcement and contacted the cleaning crew to stop stop cleaning the crime scene so we could preserve the crime
scene just in case we need to go back to it so that has been stopped but Brian did live in student housing at his
college and I know that they've been searching and taking out evidence from his house or his apartment uh but he did
live in in student housing there a public defender and again this is in the state of Pennsylvania he he will be
ultimately represented by somebody else but a public defender has said in a statement
regarding Brian cob Berger's arrest and the waving of the extradition hearing that Mr Co Berger and I'll read it
verbatim here Mr cobber is eager to be exonerated of these charges and looks forward to resolving these matters as
promptly as possible end quote now authorities have not released a motive in the slangs of course they don't have
to release a motive in the slangs as part of the investigation or even part of the arrest right they may not know
the motive themselves until they can do some further digging and now that they got the guy or the person they believe
to be responsible they can extend their investigation outwardly to come up with the motive and to try to figure out the
why because they got some of the how figured out and some of the who figured out but it will be the why that they
will want to figure out a probable cause affidavit which details supporting the arrest
or items to support the arrest has been sealed and cannot be made public until Brian coburger is back in Idaho and is
served with those papers in court so right that is his right to to receive those papers and his defense to receive
those papers before the rest of us can lay eyes on them yeah a couple interesting things here though is one of
the rumors again if I know something is fact I'll just tell you it's fact just so you don't have to go through every
YouTube clip and every news clip that's out there one of the things that have has been rumored is that at his college
they had a discussion uh in the criminology Department about the murders which Brian they claim attended
and uh participated in in that discussion very strange but we see that time and time again where these
murderers put themselves indirectly involved into the investigation and I think somebody like
Brian that's studying this I think probably was so fascinated with what do people think and I'm sure he was
following the news and I'm sure that he was I guarantee you when they find his computer in his cell phone that you're
going to see that he was Googling and seeing what was reported Ed about this case and and maybe even listen to
podcasts about this case as well so for my understanding here Captain we have Brian koberger who is a PhD student at
the University uh Washington State University and from my understanding he completed his first semester there early
December of last year of 2022 prior to that he did all of his previous schooling in the state of
Pennsylvania which is where he was later arrested so how does this all go down well he and his father made a two and a
half almost three-day drive in that white Hyundai Elantra from Pullman Washington to where
they have a house in Pennsylvania where Brian I'm assuming grew up and went to high school we know he went to uh
attended College there I'm not certain when he would have left Washington we can narrow it down a little bit because
we have a December 16th two sources have put him in Pennsylvania at that time him
and his father this because they are getting the vehicle that white Hyundai alantra serviced for I'm guessing
regularly scheduled maintenance they just made this long almost CrossCountry trip in the vehicle right this would
have been on December 16th so there are two confirmed sources that are saying that they were at this car shop getting
the vehicle serviced in Pennsylvania on December 16th it looks to me and I have this in my notes here and I'm struggling
to find it but if I recall correctly here Captain I believe that the last day of classes for Washington State were
December 9th and then the following week they did have final exams so I don't know if he had to stick around for that
again I don't know when they left but we do have law enforcement saying yes we we
know about the father and him taking this trip the father flew in so they could drive back together Brian was
going to be home for the holidays they don't have any reason at all to believe that that the father was
involved in any form or fashion that that don't even believe or or at least not saying publicly that they believe
that his parents had any idea as to what was going on at all and it's very easy to place another person in another city
another state hundreds if not thousands of miles away so we shouldn't look at at
the family with any suspicion in fact the family has been a little more responsive than I would have expected
they've expressed their sorrow their grief and and their concern for the families of the victims the father even
saying that during their drive back his son seemed perfectly normal to him that he didn't notice any kind of change in
his son at all they are saying that we are going to stand behind and stand with our son presume that he is innocent
until told otherwise that they are going to help in his defense it's been a troubling case but again this this is a
case that's been really under the microscope and I think maybe too much in my opinion because we now have the
police chief the local police chief the Moscow police chief uh James fry who's telling the news hey I I probably could
have handled this a little bit differently there there's public outcry and and outcry from the media that law
enforcement wasn't transparent enough with the public and with the media in this case and it's like I feel like a
lot of times that law enforcement they're stuck and wedged in this position of damned if you do damned if
you don't you want them to do their jobs and let's not start telling them how to
do their jobs all right like it if these if we have law enforcement officials that are outwardly committing crimes
themselves or doing horrible things themselves or not treating people like uh with with basic human decency then
yes that's a problem let's get rid of those bad seeds but when you have a police chief a police department that
did in my opinion did all of the right things bringing in other agencies using all of your possible resources they did
keep the media involved they did keep the public aware of what was going on they did release certain amounts of
information that we that we've not seen in some other cases so I think that I think that this is a little bit of a
knee-jerk reaction I think that the the police chief look he's done a fantastic job on this investigation from what I
can see so he can say whatever he wants and I'm I think that maybe where his regret May lie is that the public was
terrified the the the locals were terrified and they were terrified for seven almost eight weeks until an arrest
was made it's now looking like again without no knowing the motive it's now looking like that this attack was a
little more Target than probably what was first thought in the in the early days of this
investigation well a couple things I'm going to agree with you a little bit and then disagree with you a little bit yes
do they do everything right no you're never going to but their job is to find a suspect the evidence needs to show
them the suspect they need to arrest the suspect and now there's so much more work that is going to begin we heard
this in the deli case but they did their job you don't have to do it 100% correctly to get the result that you
need to get and I understand that people in that area were scared I understand that the parents because we have
multiple victims and we have the parents wanting answers I think where you can start nitpicking what law enforcement is
doing and isn't doing is when an investigation becomes two years on three years on five years on this was weeks
these guys did one hell of a job to find this individual and to make an arrest now we'll see what where the case goes
from here and I want to believe the parents of Brian my only concern is I would think that if my son was over
2,000 miles away studying that we'd just get him a plane ticket so I think this whole sense of getting the plane ticket
and bringing the car back but like you said his his father is given statements on how his son was
reacting and or not reacting but how his son was acting in that trip and he said
it was normal so I I do want to believe them but but there is a part of me that goes
is isn't that a little strange Brian's parents could have no knowledge o of any involvement of him in that crime and it
could have been Brian manipulating his par par to get that car from Washington to Pennsylvania
because he knows law enforcement's looking for that car well I mean we may find out otherwise but it the way that
it's being reported is that was a scheduled trip a scheduled Drive something that was planned before the
murders took place right right um and again with it being his first semester who knows father son may have said you
know what it' be cool it' be it'd be cool to make the drive out together or uh when you when it comes time to return
home for the holidays I'll fly out and we'll we'll drive home together and and spend the the time together so yeah
again we may find out otherwise but from my understanding and the way it's been reported is that was a planned trip now
does that factor into his planning of this crime right we do know that we do know that he was still in the area for
several couple weeks afterwards and we have classmates of his that were saying that he was pretty much
the same during that time period and actually finding it hard to believe that he was attending class regularly he
didn't he didn't miss school he didn't change any of his routine after the murders yeah and his
neighbor said he didn't talk with Brian much but every time that he did run into
him he seemed to be very friendly and very neighborly so it's it's very strange I think there's a lot of people
in in Brian's life that are are shocked uh by this arrest but I think there's going to be more I I think
because of the crime scene there's going to be a mountain of evidence but let's dive into that after a quick beer
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Colonel yes and I think like you were hinting at before the break I think we're going to find some potential
connections from perpetrator to victim you almost always do once it's brought into light who the perpetrator of the
crime is or was and so there is some online speculation we have a parent a father of
one of the victims saying that that their family starting to see one or two possible connections that they're not
comfortable discussing yet with with the public and they they don't need to I mean again we don't want anything to get
in the way of the investigation as the captain pointed out very astutely this investigation is ongoing even though we
have an arrest what we don't have is we don't have the murder weapon we need to know more about this individual now that
we have him in cust Cody they want people to come forward they're saying look now that you have more information
we need the information that you may possess tell us now that you know the vehicle now that you know the the person
that we've arrested and who we suspect tell us more about this individual so we can fill in some of the blanks for our
investigation and what will be the trial and the evidence against this guy and I
just want to point out very strange that the first thing that Brian says when he's arrested is has anybody else been
arrested yet when you go back to when they talk about the car they talked about the occupants being
plural so it's not out of the realm of possibility that they make another arrest in this case I'm my gut is
telling me this is is one attacker but again I'm only privy to so much information there was also
accusation again I don't know if this is fact this is a rumor that I've seen online is that Brian was making some
creepy and inappropriate comments to the staff and customers at a brewery and this um has come out and
this Brewery owner has made this claim th this is a perfect segue here Captain because let's discuss this because we
often discuss beer on the show and this is also very insightful regarding this suspect so let's talk about the seven
Sirens Brewing Company the owner there keep in mind this is a Brewing Company in Pennsylvania so this these
interactions are prior to him going off to school at Washington State okay so the the owner has come out and said look
this guy used to come in to our Brewing Company and sit and drink beer and I'll take it directly from this article here
I believe this is from NBC news or CNN one of the two there's so many people reporting on this lots of good reporting
on this case so far the owner says koberger came into his Brewery a few times and female staff would often
complain about his behavior the owner says look we are located in a college town and it's not unusual for them to
get unusual characters but Brian cerg was memorable from some interactions he had with female patrons and staff he
says cobber often came in by himself sat at the bar and he would be quote observing and watching the staff there
at this Brewery scans everyone's IDs when they come in and so they have a system that when you scan someone's
ID that information goes into their system and then they can add notes about a patron in a popup if you added notes
about somebody right then next time they come in when you swipe their ID scan their ID those old notes are going to
pop up right so he's saying that this is not just things that were observed but they were recorded and so he can go back
and look at this and say Yes uh on a couple occasions we had this happen here and he gives just a a kind of a vague
description here saying that the staff put in some notes on this guy saying that he makes creepy comments and to
keep an eye on him saying that he would have two or three beers and then just get a little too comfortable I'm
guessing he means a little too comfortable with the staff or with other patrons there it says that cerg would
ask the female staff or customers who they were at the brewery with are you here with anybody if so who are you here
with also asking them where they lived he said that if women blew him off koberger would get upset with them and
even noting one time that coob Berger called one of the staff members a [ __ ] when she refused to answer his questions
again it's stated in this article these interactions were months ago when coburger was a student at to sales and
he says that during a final interaction the owner approached Brian cerg saying I went up to him and I
said hey Brian welcome back we appreciate you coming back I just wanted to talk to you real quick and make sure
that you are going to be respectful this time and we're not going to have any issues he says that kerger looked taken
aback when he was approached he was shocked and said that he didn't know what the owner was talking about saying
you must have me confused with somebody else of and he he finished his beer he left and he never came back that is so
incredibly typical of these types and I'm not trying to lump everybody in in together here but when when you see a
type that is standoffish and and weird with female patrons and staff and then when they're called out by a mail on it
they usually tuck their tail and and hide or leave and that's what we saw him do here maybe maybe he wasn't
intimidated maybe it was nothing like that he was just called out and felt embarrassed and decided to leave but
usually that's the situation where you see a male bullying female staff or customers and
then when when a the issue was brought up by a Mail they'll typically they'll typically duck and run
yeah because Brian in this case is is Brian douche bger and bars should imp implement this and keep notes on their
patreons because women should be able to go to a bar or a brewery and feel comfortable and so right on for this
Brewery to have this system and WR on that this guy just didn't let the guy come in and harass more customers and
you're absolutely right every bar should have the system I know that old school bars typically have a bar book you don't
necessarily want your name or an incident that you were involved into make it to the bar book which was less
formal it's more of the bartender or somebody writing down what took place and they may not have all of your
pertinent information like in this system in in this new system very upto-date system where they can scan
your ID so they know who your name is as long as you're not using a a fake ID they know who exactly you are because
anybody one of my one of my favorite things to do for relaxing purposes is to watch a ball game in a bar or watch a
portion of a ball game in a bar so I'm in bars much more frequently than most people I would guess but anyone that I
go to you usually have you can have situations where you're like yeah that dude he's a problem and when he comes in
here he just always seems to be a problem and sometimes you you witness the situation he's removed from the
situation and then you say to the bartender like yeah that I don't know why you guys let that guy in here he's
always a problem and they go well I I have no way of knowing I'm new here or I only work Thursdays I've never seen that
guy before so this is a great setup this is a great system to have even for for situations that that I just described as
far as cob Berger goes there is a student a fellow classmate of his at Washington State University
it's reported that his name is BK Norton he told NBC news that he first met Brian koberger in August of last
year at student at student orientation excuse me he said they took classes together that past semester he said we
didn't work on any projects together but we spent extensive time together because
our courses were very long Norton goes on to say that cobber seemed odd from the beginning but he and the other
students just thought that it was because koberger was awkward in nature but he goes on to say quote I am in
complete shock over this murder because he continued to attend classes and continued on like nothing had happened I
still can't wrap my head around it Norton said he did attend classes up until the end of the semester and seemed
more upbeat honestly when discussed in class Brian did not mention or contribute to the conversation of the
murders We Were released from class early after the murders to get home when it was still light out and Brian was in
those classes with us did you see the report of one of I believe it was a friend of I don't know if you want to
call him a friend but at least associate of Brian's that would go running at night with Brian did you see that news I
did yeah it was it was like my guess is that media was driving all around Pennsylvania and because they kept on
reporting that Brian was arrested in Scranton and so they were going around to the gas stations and there was just
this kid that they probably were sitting at the gas station asking people did you
did you know this guy and this guy goes yeah I used to run and so because of this kid schedule he would typically run
late at night and Brian would normally go with them and they would go on these five seven mile runs so very long runs
now you you're normally not having long conversations with somebody you're just having a running partner but I guarantee
you that guy's a little creeped out now but here's what we do know they arrested this Brian douche
bger right they have his DNA now I wouldn't be surprised if he's connected to other
crimes he's 28 years old and to me if he has these urges like a lot of these serial killers talk about having
then these are urges that he's probably been dealing with for over 10 years so would I wouldn't put it past him that
he's not connected to other crimes and that they would be able to figure that out because if if I'm law
enforcement that's one of the things I'm I'm doing I'm running his DNA through the system well and sometimes these guys
will practice breaking into homes one thing that we're seeing coming out is that his survey or some of his his work
that he was doing toward his degree in in criminology and what he was studying was asking
criminals one their thoughts and feelings on on the crimes they committed what they were thinking and feeling when
and when committing those crimes how did you enter the place how did you flee the
place you know a lot of questions like that so A lot of times we know that these guys will practice by breaking
into homes and usually that starts with peeping Tom type activities right spying
on people one thing I'm a little curious about and and so the the big the big hurdle that I have had in trying to wrap
my head around this case from day one was the situation of six people in the home four are killed in the middle of
the night and then the killer or Killers flee without attacking and killing the other two persons that were in the home
I'm having less trouble wrapping my head around that now since the last time we spoke I was able to get 3D pictures of
the home you know so not just not just the front of the house or the side of the house but to see all four sides from
different angles right and after looking at the layout of the house it to me comes becomes very clear and that's what
makes me believe that I wonder how much if at all he was watching this house or these victims in
advance because if you look at the the layout of this home it's three floors but if you were to enter the home from
the back which there's a sliding glass door if you were to enter from the back you would come in on the second floor
right you may not know I don't know where the steps are to the lower level which would be the ground level
from the front of the house I don't know where the steps are I don't know that anybody would think that that somebody
would be sleeping down there and we know that the victims that were killed were on the second
floor and the third floor and from my understanding the two victims that survived that were not attacked at all
were on that first level and so if he came in and entered the home through the back and went straight into the second
floor he may have only attacked and killed the people that he saw which would have been checking the third floor
and the floor that he was on and then leaving the area the the other thing too is again it's we need to close the gap
between perpetrator and victim it's going to be very difficult to believe that this was just completely totally
random well no and I think when you look at the food truck video footage which I
know there's a there's video footage out there where there's no audio but two of the victims basically
are getting into a a little tiff is what I'd call it it's definitely possible at
a party or at a bar that Brian was doing the same thing he was doing in Pennsylvania and he was harassing people
and these ladies stuck up for themselves they maybe gave him the business and that could be as simple as
it is and from maybe that moment on this guy decides well I'm going to get the last I'm going to get the last word in
this and unfortunately depending on how fragile the trigger for this dude is it could be as simple as a brush off
that happened that same night so yeah we need to start teaching men to stop being so
fragile you know if a girl rejects you it's okay and and if there's a reason she rejects you then instead of being
some turd bag go home and work on it become a higher value person and also when you are a higher value person and
somebody rejects you that's on them and not on you this is something that is just not talked about enough with these
School shooters with these serial killers the majority of them the high percentage is male so what are we not
doing correctly and raising these individuals I I I I don't get it well without getting all scientific here
unfortunately it's it's in the DNA of males much more so than than females and and I mean you're right in everything
you just said but I don't think that we need to educate and have a a sit down with all males because describing his
actions and hearing them described and reading them from the the owner of the brewery th that's not the normal actions
and normal interactions that most men or males are going to be having with staff
or customers out a place that's not normal is what I'm saying like uh in in clear and thank God that it's not
because yeah but it happening just once is one too many times if if it were more
nor normal we would see a much more higher percentage of these types of of crimes so again it's going to be
interesting to see how this investigation unfolds it's going to be interesting to see how the
he is connected to one of the victims or more of the victims again like the captain pointed out earlier law
enforcement is still saying we want information from the public we want information on that individual meaning
Brian koberger the the police chief his exact statement was we want that updated
information so that we can start building that picture now every tip matters they want to fill in some of the
blanks they want to learn as much that they can about Brian cobber especially before this thing goes to trial he does
say that they have received roughly about 400 calls very shortly after Brian cober's arrest was announced so it
sounds like information might be pouring in or at least was last Friday let's hope that the public continues to help
the police and law enforcement in that area again the murder weapon has not been located and a lot of these a lot of
this information still needs to be figured out you mentioned DNA they did say that they recovered Brian cober's
DNA from a piece of material inside the home inside the murder house the debate if you will I don't really see anybody
debating it but I see different reports coming out some people saying that it was the DNA that led them to Brian
koberger some people saying that it was the vehicle that led them to Brian koberger it may just be it may be simple
as that it's both the thing with them going back in and examining the crime scene and additional Time Captain saying
and other people saying that they were definitely looking for something maybe something even specific I think
personally I think it was probably just a double check kind of situation or you have a situation like this we know that
they release this vehicle so they they're not going to release details or information so specific like they did
with this vehicle unless it was incredibly important to their investigation and they had reason to
believe that that vehicle was of great importance to their investigation now we know that the house had had several
House Parties you would expect that on a college campus so there was probably a lot of DNA a lot of forensics inside
that home that is can be tied to people that are friends of the victims that had
nothing to do with this crime or these murders at all could Brian have been in attendance at a party previously
possibly did he know one of the victims or more of the victims had he been in the home before possibly we're not
seeing that in the news currently you may just have a situation of going okay we're looking for a white
2011 2012 or 2013 Hyundai Elantra that we believe was in the immediate area these are their words of the crime scene
around the time of the killings okay punch that information into our computers here and we're pulling up that
we have a TH or 2,000 or 2500 people that own a vehicle that fits that General description within a 30 mile 100
mile 150 mile radius of the crime scene what you would start to do with that information if you believe that that
information is Paramount to your case which I believe that they did and that and that's why they released that
information to the public I believe that they would have taken that information and you do it's as simple as this
the guy or the girl that owns an 11 12 or 13 white Hyundai alantra closest to the crime scene we
knocking on your door and then the next closest one we knocking on your door and
so on yeah we're all up in your [ __ ] it goes outwardly from there and then Factor this in now maybe it took us a
while to get onto this white vehicle which we know that it did or at least for them to release that
information to the public but if it takes us a while to get onto this vehicle okay now we have that breadcrumb
now we have that lead that we've been looking for and we think it's a good one right we need to go to that crime scene
one more time and collect as much forensics hair fibers DNA anything that we can because now if we can put if we
can make a spreadsheet and there are two check marks next to your name and one of those
check marks tells us that your DNA was found inside that home and you're an owner of a 11 12 13 white Hyundai
Elantra you just became Prime Suspect number one you've just moved yourself from the big list to the very short list
yeah that's the you might be a piece of [ __ ] list to you probably a piece of [ __ ] list so you have some people saying
that they they did genealogy detective work his DNA and they connected it to his
parents or to his family tree and then they put two and two together and they went and got him here's the thing I
actually think that DNA absolutely played a role in this however I think the car was more of the vital chess
piece here in this investigation I think that they figured out that only X number
of people own that type of vehicle within they said he lived within 10 to 15 minutes
of the crime scene yeah you start with a small mile radius from the crime scene and that puts you on a short a shorter
list of these vehicle owners they had from my understanding FBI and local law enforcement in in
Pennsylvania tailing this dude and surveilling him and his parents for several days before they arrested him I
believe as many as four or five days before they arrested him so they were on to him well before the 30th there's a
chance that they could have been looking during that time period of surveilling him and collecting items that they were
hoping to find his DNA on for comparison purposes because that crime scene is going to be contaminated for any number
of reasons one just the fact that it was a party house or known to to House parties
on several occas with many people in and out of that house so just to address a couple emails
I got from close friends and sources of the show there was some rumors that like
I said before that Brian might have been whether he was trolling around and looking for information about the case
and what people were were knowing and what they weren't knowing and people have stated that oh maybe he was on
Reddit doing some stuff and there was some rumors that that maybe he even left comments on our Blog Page look there is
no evidence of that I went back through our blog now you can make up whatever name you want and state whatever
location you're in to leave a comment on our blog but there's nothing there's no
comment that sticks out to me as strange or somebody that's like trying to um get
attention by doing that so I got a couple emails a couple text text messages from people saying hey I heard
this rumor online that maybe he visited your guys' blog or website now I did go back and do a search a location search
and obviously we covered this case so there's going to be some people from that area in that
town that went and visited our website that that is fact and there's some people from this Granton PA area that
visit our website within the last few weeks there is no evidence that Brian went to our website so if you're seeing
that rumor online just know I don't think there's any I I can't find any evidence of that and I don't know why it
would matter anyways and as far as finding the suspect again it could be as simple as you're reviewing the crime
scene and we have and these T these test some time to run too and one thing that we had
suggested in December when we covered this we were we were enthusiastic about it on off the Record when we heard that
they were very specific about what type of vehicle they were looking for even before when we had almost no details at
all other than the fact knowing that there were four that were stabbed to death and the attacks likely occurred
while they were sleeping one thing that we had pointed out there too is that unfortunately and then there's no nice
polite and subtle way of describing this but just picture that stabbing motion and picture where the victim would be in
relationship to the killer that stabbing motion it's very common especially after one or two are
delivered that that weapon becomes wet it becomes wet and the hand that is that is driving the knife
can slip very easily and it's extremely common that these types of attackers using this type of weapon cut themselves
and leave their blood at the scene and if you are a detective if you are doing the forensic work and you quickly can
figure out that there's five different kinds of blood here at this scene and we have four victims well then that fifth
set of blood obviously the most likely scenario is that it came from the Killer and it could be as simple as they tested
that they found that blood they tested it they double checked it and that is what led them to Brian koberger it's
going to be interesting to find out more of the details as they come out in this
case again kudos to law enforcement and our thoughts and prayers remain with the
families of the victims but let's not forget the victims Kaylee Madison Zena and
Ethan their families have lost a lot their friends have lost a lot that Community has lost a lot this is
probably just the beginning of the beginning they got a long way to go more information will probably be coming out
uh I don't I don't think we plan on on covering every little detail that comes out uh about this case but uh we thought
because we covered it before and there was arrest made that we should bring that to everybody's attention that's
part of our job that we appreciate you supporting us and let us have this job if it wasn't for you guys we would we'd
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Nic and the Captain discuss: the arrest of Bryan Kohberger in the murders at Idaho College. To share thoughts and opinions please check out our blog at www.TrueCrimeGarage.com

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Brief Summary

Brian Koberger arrested for Idaho College murders; investigation details discussed.

Key points

Arrest in Idaho College Murders. Brian Koberger, 28, arrested in connection with the quadruple homicide at Idaho University.
DNA Evidence Links Koberger. Authorities confirm DNA evidence played a key role in linking Koberger to the murders.
Koberger's Background. Koberger is a PhD student in Criminal Justice at Washington State University, just miles from the crime scene.
The Arrest and Community Fear. The locals were terrified for weeks until an arrest was made, revealing deeper motives.
Strange Behavior at the Brewery. Witnesses report Brian's creepy comments and unsettling behavior at a local brewery.
Classmate's Shock. A classmate expresses disbelief over Brian's normal behavior after the murders.

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