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a beer let's talk some True Crime [Music] [Music] the medical examiner says the missing
jogger died of strangulation and was possibly sexually assaulted police have new information on this murder mystery
including new evidence that could lead to the woman's killer we've now learned from police sources that when Katrina
Karina vetrano's body was discovered she was still clutching grass in one of her
hands an indication that she was likely dragged from the main trail sources also
tell us that one of her sneakers and her headphones were missing from the crime scene and tonight the search for that
evidence and her killer continues the reward posters spell out the tragic news this 30-year-old woman was murdered and
now police need help to find her killer for those who knew Karina vetrano she was much more than just a face on a
flyer she was a great girl she had tons of friends she lit up the room when she walked in family friends and neighbors
came together and lit candles outside the vetro Restaurant and Lounge Lounge where vetrano wore she was found
strangled Tuesday night after going for a jog just a few blocks from her Howard Beach Home in the Spring Creek Federal
Parkland near the Belt Parkway police also believe she may have been sexually assaulted they say her body was found
with her shorts and sports bra pulled down police say vetrano left her home to go for a jog around five Tuesday evening
the Avid Runner often used the unpaved trail and usually ran alongside her father this time an injury kept him at
home he asked her not to run this path all right now without him police say vitrano was texting with a friend when
the text suddenly stopped her father began to worry when his phone calls to her went unanswered at some point after
that her father began to get worried where she was she to return home normally he called a member of the
service police chief who lives nearby who then called 9-1-1 he helped police retrace
their usual running route and pings from her cell phone led them to a marshy area
about 15 feet from the path her father discovered the body imagine his angst at that point
we found her face down in the ground while the community continues to mourn vetrano's death the focus shifts to
finding her killer I hope they just catch the animal that did it [Music] August 2nd 2016 30 year old Karina
vetrana was out for a routine jog near her home Karina lived in the Howard Beach area in the state of New York
she lived in the same neighborhood as her parents now Karina typically ran the path with her father Phil vetrano who
was not with her because of an injury he had asked her not to go warning her it might not be safe without him but she
went anyway her typical route would take her through portions of the neighborhood and along a
bike path that ran along the Belt Parkway this taking her over by Spring Creek Park
during her jog Karina had been listening to music and texting a friend the last known image of Karina vetrana
was captured at 5 46 pm on August 2nd when a surveillance camera recorded her running past a parked car
later her father repeatedly tried to call her cell phone Karina did not answer well let's talk about who Karina
was well she was born in 1986 in New York and we already mentioned her Father Phil her mother's name is Kathy and
Karina was one of three children Karina graduated from St John's with a masters in Speech Pathology
she's an aspiring writer I believe she was working in the restaurant Biz at the time of this attack now her Father Phil
who Karina said was her best friend and obviously her jogging partner he is a retired New York City firefighter he was
one of the many brave brave First Responders at Ground Zero after the September 11th attacks now the area
where the vetrano family lives this is a this is a nice area however we did hear
the warning Phil had recommended to his daughter that she not go out jogging without him that makes it sound quite
dangerous but what this really means is there is a what the people living in the
neighborhood refer to as the high weeds area or Tall Weeds area this is toward the Spring Creek Park
neighbors have said that this area you know a lot of the girls in the neighborhood have been told not to walk
alone along this area and one neighbor even stated that this is typically where hobos and bums would lurk it's very
similar to like the Gilgo Beach yeah when well when Karina didn't return from her evening jog her Father Phil called
her cell phone three times one her Father Phil was he is very physically fit he's a handsome man yeah and then
she has a you know beautiful mom so you put those two together they got a beautiful daughter well and she's
extremely fit as well Avid jogger uh when she didn't answer any of these calls Phil went out despite his back
injury that had kept him from participating in the jog he went out he's looking for his daughter this is
this is actually perfect because he knows the route that they would normally take he knows where to go to look for
her right Phil does not find his daughter in fact he finds no sign or trace of her he
calls the police and he notifies them that his daughter is missing the police respond and they join in the search they
quickly use Karina's cell phone information to help narrow the search they're using the very same calls from
Phil when he had called her cell phone to gather cell phone tower ping information to locate her from there
somewhere in the brush off the path Karina's phone was located and then police and Phil Petrino found Karina's
body at around 9pm yeah this was in the Spring Creek Park area well it's kind of
interesting here though is um everybody said well was it hard for you to find your daughter and he said that he would
prefer that he found her than somebody else yeah I I saw a bunch of interviews with Phil vetrano and the thing was he
was extremely close to his daughter and he almost he also said that you know finding her and being a part of the
search was like the one last thing he could do in a form of protection of his own daughter you know all he ever wanted
to do was protect his daughter and be her best friend and it was the one last act that he could do I I do want to to
make reference to kind of his feelings and the feelings of the Neighbors at the time when they were searching for her I
don't think they were expecting a good outcome um you know I hate to say that but I
think you know people were some people are a little surprised by Phil's reaction
I think he was already kind of trying to on some level accept it that this is what I'm going to find as they
search for his daughter I believe he also said he had a feeling and we we hear this a lot of times with
cases where somebody goes missing and and right away somebody has a feeling that it's bad yeah
well the police and Phil they located Karina's body at about 9 pm that night in the Spring Creek Park area she was
located face down about 14 blocks from her home in the marshes of the park about 15 feet off of the main trail
let's talk about the initial investigation into this murder first captain what were the nypd's findings and what
was learned about the attack and the perpetrator that had killed this young woman although well the first suspect
was the the father yeah yeah and we can get into some suspicions but I want to kind of go
through the evidence and the investigation first before we get into that so she's found face down now her
clothing someone had pulled the shorts down she's wearing a typical joggers outfit sports bra and jogging shorts
it's not just a sports brawl but you know it'd be like kind of a half shirt goes down the stomach no no it's if you
watch the clip of her running it's you know kind of like you know I don't know I'd call them biker shorts and then some
kind of top but you can see our mid-drift there's there's got to be names for these articles clothing and we
just don't know what they are right and like yeah you would you probably look at
it and say sports bra but normally you have a sports bra and you put something on top of it I'm assuming you just don't
walk out with this sports bra I mean she's dressed as a runner right now her phone earbuds and at least one shoe
while they were are all located none of these items were found with the body she
had bruising there was a lot of facial bruising and a lot of bruising on her legs her socks were wet
they found quote tall grass in the clutches of her hands note the grass and weeds are four to five foot tall in that
area at that time of year detectives said all of these factors told them where she had been grabbed from and the
trail that the attacker that he had dragged her yeah and she was beat up badly very badly they they offered this
hypothesis they said they believed this was a surprise attack but she had put up one
hell of a fight the attacker grabbed her beat her and dragged her along a path into the wooded more secluded area now
this time she's biting scratching and clawing at her attacker her earbuds come out and fall into the brush the attacker
grabs Karina's phone and throws it into the woods then one of her shoes comes off as he continues to drag her
Karina grabs at the tall weeds in the grass now mind you these are thick and would have almost acted like ropes like
lifelines that she's grabbing at yeah this slows the attacker down but does not stop him
the attack is what caused the bruising on her face and the dragging is what caused the
bruising on her legs after the attack he leaves her lifeless and face down in a wooded secluded area
just 15 feet off of the path but that was not the only thing that the attacker had left behind he left his DNA
the medical examiner determined that she most likely had been sexually assaulted
and died of strangulation well and they're going to have DNA so they get DNA from underneath her fingernails DNA
from her phone from the person grabbing the phone and throwing the phone and then touched DNA from her neck and back
area because that's they assume that this person snuck up behind her well after running that DNA through
Nationwide state and local databases the police they found no matches uh since the national databases were only
started in 1998 the NYPD said it was also going to look at records to see who might have been in jail before that time
or someone younger who might not have done any jail time right now one thing that they're kind of leading towards
here is that their suspicions are that this might be a repeat offender now we mentioned the camera footage that
shows Karina jogging at 5 46 PM unfortunately nothing is learned from this as she is she's alone in that
footage she's not being followed and she's on her normal route no this footage was obtained from canvassing the
area the other thing that knocking on doors talking to people in the neighborhood and canvassing the area
produces is this people told police about a man scene in the area no one had recognized him so armed with this info
the NYPD released a sketch of a man seen leaving Spring Creek Park around the time Karina vetrano was killed the man
in the sketch is not considered a suspect however that's their announcement to the public but they but
this person may have been a witness to the murder or may have seen something that could offer the police a much
needed clue the description of the individual is as follows He's listed as a black male 35
to 45 years old height approximately five foot nine or ten medium build wearing dark pants with a red t-shirt
and a dark wool hat and what were some other suspicions that people were having well there was plenty of it early in
this investigation that's for sure the the public had their suspicions the vetrano family had theirs and the police
had suspicions as well and I think we can look at each of these now when you talk about the public first it's obvious
by comments from persons living in the neighborhood when you have people saying things like girls know not to walk in
that area alone and hobos and bums typically lurk in there they while not not shared by all of the people I think
it's it's pretty likely to say it's pretty reasonable to say that a good portion of that neighborhood believed
that some some undesirable person that does not live in that Community was sneaking around maybe even lying in wait
to attack some woman walking alone or running alone that evening but a lot of people suspected too that
um that she was targeted for a while because she is you know she was such an attractive woman that they thought maybe
she would have been you know you know tracked and monitored and all that stuff the problem with this thought
is that she ran almost every time she ran she ran with her father well and that's what made people think maybe the
father was involved right and you know that was uh I saw a lot of this on the internet uh rather than in news stories
but some people suggested that the father may have killed her now we mentioned that they had a close
relationship he was typically the one that would be out jogging with her he did go out looking for her which some
have suggested that that points towards some form of guilt and then there's some
other stories you know we said here that he along with the police found her together there are some reports that
indicate that he may have found her you know seconds before that the police were
following him yeah uh that they were they were assisting him in the search that he was kind of the lead dog on this
search and he was the the one that found her first yeah I think that's how it went down but again he's you know Avid
Runner that runs this track all the time so he's gonna know all the areas and I know we always have to look at people
close you know on that very Inner Circle of the victims because a lot of the times that ends up being the person that
has killed the victim however that that's not I don't have anything to base this off of other than just my gut
feeling when when I first dove into this case I didn't see that from the relationship but I didn't find anything
weird about their relationship what I saw was two people that were very close and that she wanted to be very close
with her father and her mother you know she lived she she lived in the same neighborhood as them she she was a grown
woman who had her her own successes she could have moved elsewhere she could have lived elsewhere right but from the
outside looking in somebody could say well maybe you should lived in that neighborhood because her parents May
later I think what happened here was one um you know her father being a firefighter
he's a firefighters are normally friends with police officers so if there was any
suspicion towards him he handled it perfectly because he probably said hey I understand that you
guys are just doing your job and you're trying to find out one what happened and
who did this to to my daughter right and so he probably was pretty cooperative and they were able to clear him pretty
quickly well yes they were and and I want to I want to go on record saying that I just saw a healthy relationship
between her and her parents now yeah but okay but you're a detective right and she goes missing on a path that she runs
with her father you should investigate that angle oh of course yes 100 just because you don't
have a feeling of anything weird there you got to investigate and what I'm saying is because he's a part of the
system he's able to say hey do your job Clear me and let's move forward yeah and
in fact that is exactly what happened um you know they had DNA in this case so it makes it pretty easy to clear people
if they're willing to submit to the DNA test which her father did her boyfriend did and other family members did as well
they cleared a bunch of people immediately early on in this investigation because of those DNA tests
and being able to compare it to something now as far as the vetrano family goes their Theory when this case
broke I shared the same suspicions as Karina's parents that someone living in the area you had mentioned maybe she was
tracked because she was very attractive and she did run that same route almost daily someone living in the area was
responsible for this in fact Phil vetrano he had announced publicly that he was looking for a man Phil did not
know the name of this man but he believed this is a man that must have lived in the area this is because the
man regularly ran along the bike path the man Phil said it had not been seen running the path since the date of the
murder later when Phil announced this during a radio interview and then a TV interview
the man Phil was describing was listening and the man had came forward he explained that he had had some type
of surgery I believe and was not running due to his recovery right just like the
father yeah the the man while he remains nameless to the public he did volunteer
uh DNA to submit DNA and was checked and he was clear well think about this though right you're just some guy that
runs a path right and he just happened to see this this uh you know attractive woman running with her father
right right but you see them constantly because you guys both run the same path and then you have surgery you go oh
something happened I can't run and then you hear on the radio that you might be a suspect yeah that the father
considers you to be a suspect which which he should I would if I were her father and there was like some dude that
I'm used to seeing and I would be like wait a second I've not seen that guy since this date right you know let's
make sure this is not just a coincidence which it turns out to be yeah but if you're that guy
you're looking yourself in the mirror and you're thinking do I really look that creepy do I really put off this
creepy Vibe I'm just running I'm just running for health reasons I'm running to stay in shape and you think I'm a
creepo you know I mean I'm just saying you'd have to look at yourself you'd have to
think about your hairstyle maybe think about the shoes you're wearing and and change that you don't want people
thinking that you're some creep running in the park let's get into the police suspicions
um and I wanna this is one thing that seemed pretty clear from the get-go they outwardly stated that they believed that
they were looking for someone with a record with a with a previous record of similar type offenses one it's because
it was such a violent attack right and and it's also in broad daylight pretty much I mean even though you're going to
be pulling this girl into this Marsh there's people out there yeah I mean so rightfully so this seems like an act
that somebody that had priors would commit and I think it's all those elements that that makes them convinced
that this was a Serial offender maybe a serial rapist or serial uh murderer uh you know this because
this was stated to reporters and to the public and from what they said in regards to the DNA testing remember they
said that they had ran it through Nationwide state and local databases no matches were found since the National
Database okay sorry about that spit it out there it was only started in 1998 they said they were going back to
look at records to see who might have been in jail before that time or someone younger who might not have done jail
time the chief stating that they could be looking for a teenager this might imply that Karina's attack was The
Killers first and that there would be more to follow but the FBI actually did a profile on who they thought this
suspect was well and they released this criminal profile to the public in hopes that it would drum up some leads and it
reads as follows the person who committed the assault is likely familiar with the park and he may
have spent time there for any of a variety of reasons the park is routinely used by fishermen dirt bike riders
environmentalists and other outdoor enthusiasts certain areas within the park serve as a Gathering Place for
homeless and recreational drug and alcohol users he may have been frequenting or even living in the park
for days weeks or months prior to the assault and was likely a familiar face to others who used the park on a regular
basis following the assault on Karina he likely stopped visiting or living in the
park abruptly he may have moved his recreational activities or residents to another area he may have provided a
seemingly reasonable excuse for this change in Behavior he may have even suggested his avoidance of the park was
due to the danger there in the hours following the assault on Karina anyone encountering him may have
observed him to be disheveled in appearance with possible scratches or cuts to his hands arms neck or face
it could have appeared that he was in some type of fight or accident and he may have given any of a variety of
excuses for his appearance following the assault he may have noticed noticeably changed his level of
alcohol drug or tobacco use he may have paid careful attention to Media reporting on the assault of Karina
he may have taken steps to limit his exposure to the media reporting and he may have changed his appearance well
that's the FBI profile but what did the chief have to say Chief Robert Boyce with the NYPD said that detectives
believed that the killing was a random attack he said one theory is that the killer retreated through the weeds and
emerged along the Belt Parkway in Brooklyn pointing out that detectives traced all possible Escape Routes with
no suspect on camera and no evidence indicating any one person the chief added that detectives think that the
wool hat that was seen in the sketch of the man that they wanted to talk to he thinks that that could be the key to
figuring out who this person is reminding us that the murder took place on August 2nd a hot day Karina was in
shorts as we had discussed stating that you usually don't wear a wool hat on a hot day in fact this is
what made the people that had seen him that had gave his description to the police this wool hat was one thing that
made these people remember him and two to take a closer look at him when they had seen him to to begin with
the people that spotted this man all found it to be strange that he was in fact wearing this on such a hot day keep
in mind this profile the information provided to us by the police and the sketch these are all released months
after the murder in hopes that someone would come forward who knew this guy foreign
[Music] [Music] State Police are asking for your help in the investigation into the murder of a
woman who left for a jog in central Massachusetts this weekend and never came home the body of 27 year old
Vanessa Marcotte was found a half mile from her mother's home in Princeton Sunday night at this time police do not
know whether she was a targeted or random victim victim [Music] all right we're back cheers mates and as
you just heard in that audio clip just five days after Karina vetrana was murdered while out for a jog about 175
miles away another woman is attacked and murdered while she is out for a run Vanessa Marcotte 27 years old who lived
in New York was found dead in a wooded area near Brooks Station Road just about a half mile from her mother's Princeton
Massachusetts home Vanessa was in Princeton visiting her mother she was getting ready to return to her
home in New York later that day but was going to go out and get some exercise first police said the town of Princeton
they haven't had a homicide in three decades we're talking about a smaller town Captain I believe it's like 4 000
people live there um so yeah this is not a common occurrence for the Princeton police
department now who was Vanessa Marcotte well she grew up in Leominster and attended the Bancroft School in
warcaster and then she graduated from Boston University in 2011 with honors she was
known for her love of running she spent her free time volunteering and helping others Marcotte was living in New York
City where she worked for Google as an account executive now the breakdown of how this last day
went goes like this around 1 15 pm Vanessa leaves her mother's house this is at 109 Brook Station Road
at 2 11 pm is the final transmission from her cell phone she's not heard from police actually
believe that her phone was either disabled or turned off at this point so at 3 pm her mother Rosanna is going to
report her missing this triggers a search that expanded into neighboring towns and eventually the local police
department there they brought in the state police helicopter into the area as the hours dragged on and Vanessa was not
found it wasn't until 8 30 p.m that Vanessa's body is found just about a quarter mile from her mother's home her
feet and hands had been burned with gasoline all of her clothes had been removed except for her sports bra one of
her shoes was found at the scene but the other shoe and her clothing including a
baseball cap and her iPhone were not found when investigators searching with dogs found her body her nose was
fractured and her throat was crushed evidence showed Vanessa put up one hell of a fight against her attacker
now regarding the initial investigation on August 8th one day after she was killed investigators with the state
police and with the war Caster District Attorney's office they stated that they had recovered DNA evidence from the
victim's body the district attorney told the public we do not know if this is a random act we are asking residents to be
careful to be very careful right now we have an active homicide investigation going on and you can't be too careful
now police did open up a 24-hour tip line specifically for this unsolved murder case yeah and the tips really
started coming rolling in eventually you know after several months had gone by they had received over 1300 tips
regarding this case now some of the more notable and helpful tips that came in uh
are as follows one according to a to a local witness Vanessa stopped at a Mountainside Market on on harbston Road
in the afternoon to purchase a drink and this witness saw her leaving that market
walking and talking on her cell phone the best that the witness could provide is that this would have happened
sometime after 1 pm on that day and wasn't there another tip where somebody saw a vehicle possibly following her
that day yeah someone had seen a person that resembled Vanessa walking in the area that that was told that she was
walking and they believed that they had seen a vehicle that they thought to be following this person now there's not a
whole lot of information with inside this tip it sounds to me like it's something that was observed that was
seen by a witness and not you know sometimes you see things you just don't really pay attention to them because
you're you're you're going along about your ordinary business on an ordinary day oh I pay attention
we do a podcast every week that tells me I need to pay attention you carry around
a little uh steno pad and just write down the events of the entire day and I have these Google Glasses that record
everything now maybe the tip that would provide the most information came from a
Princeton resident by the name of Andrew Squire he provides a tip that on the day
that Vanessa was murdered he had been driving on the road that she was believed to have been walking and
jogging on he told investigators that at around 1 45 pm on that same road he had
saw a man standing next to a dark Ford Escape that's a uh SUV okay when he passed the vehicle he
noticed that the hood was up and a man was standing next to the SUV the man was on a phone now Squire Andrew Squire
believed that the man had been talking to someone about getting help for his car it appeared to him that the vehicle
had broke down possibly but we've seen this ruse before yeah no act like my car is broken hey lady can you help me he
then drives Andrew Squire then drives past a second time this is a few minutes later right uh and the SUV is now closed
and locked so Andrew must have stopped to see if the vehicle was not locked according to the statement it's locked
that's weird he stated that no one is standing near the vehicle at this time and that the windows were so dark that
he could not see inside the vehicle right so he drives past the area where where marcotte's body uh is eventually
found he sees this man standing next to a dark Ford Escape the hood is up on the
SUV and the man is on the phone appearing to talk to somebody now one thing I want to get into here a little
bit Captain is I you know when we said that he drove by a second time this wasn't like he saw this and immediately
thought it was suspicious so he turned around and he came back there immediately to check on the situation
now Andrew was going somewhere I believe he was dropping uh either his family off
or people he knew he was dropping them off at church that day so he had drove them to the church from picking them up
or from his home and then dropped some off at the church and then he returns going back the same route to return to
wherever he'd come from now the thing I want to point out here is the as far as what time that was we have this uh 1 45
time marker of the time that he first saw the vehicle according to newspaper accounts it's all over the shop what
time he saw the vehicle to be locked and no man standing next to it so I don't even want to be begin to give a time for
that but he drops these people off and he's traveling back through the area he must
have thought well you know what if this vehicle is still on the side of the road
maybe I should see if this guy ever got a hold of anybody to to to receive help right you know this is a smaller
Community um I don't know that everybody would do this in every Community but I can
certainly see this going on in a strong in a smaller Community stopping to see if the person had received any help this
time the hood is closed on the truck it's locked up and he can't see into the window so he just goes about his
business yeah but if your car breaks down and and maybe your cell phone dies then you gotta lock your car up and then
go to a convenience store to make a call or whatever but okay so we have two women that are attacked why
running we have under 200 mile distance yeah it's approximately 175 miles uh from
Howard Beach to the Princeton Massachusetts area and the strange thing here Captain is we have two attacks that
are so very similar we all we have victims that are so very similar in areas where you wouldn't expect these
type of attacks to go down and this is occurring just five days apart yeah from one another and then it makes you wonder
because in the first case we go this possibly is a teenager this is possibly the per this is possibly the suspect's
first attack according to NYPD those are their words yes right did this person Drive
you know 200 miles which would then also explain the car breaking down possibly is this person responsible for both
attacks well and the other strange thing that links these two uh crimes together
as well is like like I said the victims are so similar you have in Karina's case
a 30 year old uh woman from New York and in Vanessa's case you have a 27 year old
woman from New York as well she's she's a Massachusetts visiting her mother and her her extended family
so we have a very similar victimology it's a very strange situation and both of these cases really jumped in the
spotlight at the time and think about it it's just one less than a week apart the
media immediately linked these cases together and these two victims will forever be linked together because of
the media putting these both in the spotlight now in the Vanessa case in Vanessa marcotte's case we have
something similar here as well because it's about six months later in February of 2017 the district attorney in that
area released more information regarding a suspect an actual suspect of Vanessa's
murder and a profile was based off of DNA collected where her body was found and based off of witness statements and
this is what they released to the public they believed Vanessa was mostly likely
attacked at random by a stranger and that the killer most likely lived in or frequented the area surrounding
Princeton the Killer is a Hispanic or Latino male in his late 20s to 30s with an athletic
build average height in either short or shaved hair it is also believed that the
suspect either owned or had access to a dark colored SUV on the day of the murder would have had visible injuries
to his upper body in the days following the attack yes this very eerie how similar they are well the thing that
jumps off the page to me here Captain is we're talking about six months later okay February of 2017 both these murders
occurred early in August of 2016. and what I'm seeing here is a concerted effort by both police departments to
really take these cases on very Hands-On because we're seeing a lot of information coming out and being
released to the public yeah and why because both of these cases they have DNA evidence found on each of the
victims this means guess what if you can get us and point us to the right guy if we can get him to take that test or
or make him take that DNA test we got this dude we just need we need the Public's help to come forward and point
us in the right direction I find it very interesting that um you know we're talking about two
cases where you don't typically see the FBI come out and release a profile yeah uh usually based on not not always based
on a single attack or a single case and in both instances we're getting a criminal profile of this individual now
when I say individual there's a good chance these these attacks are not linked other than through the media now
what do we see in the first one we see an FBI profile where they're specifically talking about an individual
that that has some kind of Link he's anchored to this park for some reason that's what the FBI believes and then
you have the NYPD which I don't want to get into this whole whole thing here but
um it's it's interesting when you when you trace back criminal profiling right and
as far as the you know the FBI being involved in this whole thing if you trace it back far enough you can
actually find that the Genesis of criminal profiling kind of started with the uh NYPD with it with an old case
from a long time ago so one thing that I'm curious about and we have a lot of New York listeners we have some uh
officers that are in the New York area if you guys know this let me know because one thing I've always been
curious about with how big the police force is there if they actually do some criminal profiling themselves
um because you have the FBI information coming out about this suspect that's anchored to this park they believe that
this person was somebody that was in the park up to that actual murder and then poof he's not in that Park anymore
and then you have the New York Police Department stating that we believe that sketch that we released is the secret
this guy that was spotted in the area wearing a wool cap on a very hot day this is the guy that we need to talk to
we don't know if if he's the suspect for certain we just know we need to speak with this guy
and they're able to release this information they don't always want to release profiles
you investigators don't always want to release these things they don't want to show too much of their hand but in these
cases where you have DNA and you only need to be pointed in the right direction to get that guy right you have
to keep this in the Public's attention you have to keep this on the Public's mind and that requires releasing new
information from time to time to keep the case in the spotlight and provide tidbits of knowledge and Nuggets of
information where people somebody somewhere goes aha aha I remember something or I know
somebody like that yeah and you see that in the situation with Vanessa marcotte's
case as well when we have we have even more information and the Curious Thing here is they're saying this information
in our profile is based off of DNA that was collected on her body and compiled with witness statements remember we have
Andrew Squire stating that he saw a man standing next to a dark-colored SUV in the criminal profile that they give
they're saying that they believe that this man is a Hispanic or Latino male in his late 20s to to 30s so we know that
the Andrew Squire and maybe even others provided law enforcement with a physical
description of this man right they're not just pulling this out of the air they're also stating that this this
individual had access or owned a dark-colored SUV which was described as right right like with Andrew Squire but
with the these cases possibly being connected they both have DNA so and the fact that the media is connecting these
cases they could do a DNA test to see if these dnas even match correct and I'm curious to I'm curious if they did do
that that's one thing that was never mentioned in any report that I could find where we have the media linking
these cases together we don't see that from either Police Department we don't see that publicly but you're in law
enforcement you don't have to show your whole hand but this has to be an angle that you're looking at especially if
you're in Boston and you go well [ __ ] that's just happened you know five days ago yeah 170 some miles away yeah and so
we have two young successful women both murdered within the same week under similar circumstances we have
um Karina petrano murdered on August 2nd 2016 and the Vanessa Marcotte murdered just five days later on August 7th now
one thing that was very obvious and very apparent from the get-go and we talked about how close of a relationship that
the vetranos had with their daughter yeah and one thing that they were not going to do was let this case fall from
the Public's eyes they want wanted to keep this her name in the news they wanted to keep her name and picture
where everybody can see it to be reminded of what had happened until we can get this thing solved it's the old
John Walsh theory that if you can keep the public reminded of the situation that's the only way to keep the tips and
information coming in yeah and we have a very powerful piece of audio here where
we have Kathy vetrano addressing the killer of her daughter yeah and she uses uh let's just say captain language so if
you have kids in the car you probably wanna not let them listen to this I create it right everything that my
husband said a hundred fold I thank Howard Beach beyond words every single one of you
and now look into my eyes everybody because I'm going to address the coward whoever you are
whether you're one whether you're ten I'm gonna just use singular but I'm here to remind you in case you
don't already know that now it's the whole entire world against you the whole entire world
knows what a pathetic puny weak piece of Filth that you are the whole world knows that
and soon I know they're all going to know your face as well soon we're gonna have a face
to the [ __ ] piece of garbage that you are and above and beyond you all you know
that my daughter was a force to be reckoned with and I guarantee you I guarantee you you [ __ ]
that you will be Reckoning with that Force not only for the rest of your pathetic
life but for the rest of Eternity as you [ __ ] burn in hell I guarantee you that my daughter
was a big believer of karma and as you could see she's magical the whole world knows she's magical and I guarantee you
you will pay forever [Music] good for them I love these parents yeah I wish they were my parents
yeah they're very good people and it it's easy to see why uh Karina was so close with her parents they were a big
influence and a big part of her life and we see that as well with our other victim Vanessa Marcotte I mean she she
lives in New York she's very successful I mean that's a hell of a job to work at
Google and she is she goes EV goes home every other week to visit her mother and
her extended family so we're talking about two very good people yeah but I love this mom because
and she doesn't hold back she says you're weak you're coward and then you hear a dad in the background he says
piece of [ __ ] because that's what jar you're a piece of [ __ ] so I applaud her
and him I think that's the right approach all right there's a lot more to get to in both cases in the murder case
of Karina vetrano as well as Vanessa Marcotte and Captain you keep saying that there's
some kind of announcement to make um are you leaving the garage I'm leaving I'm pregnant is what what
happened I had to it had a little too much fun had too much Bourbon and now I'm pregnant no
um some of the stuff we can't talk about yet because it's not finalized but one of the things that we are working on
trying to figure out how to do and we'll be doing pretty soon is we'll be doing a
20 to 30 minute extra episode every week um I don't know how this will be released yet uh calling it Loosely
titled you know True Crime garage off the Record there's a lot of conversations that me and you have about
true crime documentaries about other cases that we covered in the past that maybe there's a new update that we
haven't been able to get to because it's really hard some sometimes people say hey there's some new information on the
Delphi murders or or the Brian Shaffer case or something right and sometimes that information is only
15 20 minutes worth of new information or less and and unfortunately this here are regular weekly show is not really
the platform to get that information out and back to you uh we're very lucky lucky and thankful that we have
listeners that stay active on some of these cases if not all of them checking for news that's coming out checking for
updates and then a lot of times the listeners are providing us with those updates and and I do want to make a
clear announcement I did not respond to all the emails but I must have had 40 or
50 people tell me that there's been an update in the boys on the tracks case I if I didn't respond to your email I
apologize but I got so many of them and I appreciate the update um that's something that we'll discuss
here on our blog and we've always used our blog as kind of a way to keep the discussions going about these different
cases and to provide some updates whether it be coming from the listeners or from us ourselves so this if we're
able to get this off the ground here Captain this will not only allow us the opportunity to do and discuss some
different things on a weekly basis but it will also provide us with a good solid platform for where we can provide
updates to cases that we have already covered yeah it's going to be a little bit of a catch-all really I mean because
there's some sometimes that we're on the phone for four hours talking about cases
maybe we'll be able to um you know record some of those clips and and really release those as well so
that is part of the big announcement there is more to come but I didn't want to keep teasing you you know right I
don't want to I don't want to be like that all right see you back here in the garage tomorrow until then everybody be
good be kind and don't litter [Music] thank you [Applause] [Music]

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August 2, 2016 - Howard Beach, New York - 30 year old Karina Vetrano takes off for an evening run but does not return after. Her father Phil with who Karina is very close to, goes out searching for his daughter. He finds no trace of her and she is not answering her cell phone. Police later locate her body near her home. Five days later and 175 miles away an attack on another young woman was eerily similar. 27 year old Vanessa Marcotte did not return to her mother's home after going out for a jog. This week Nic and the Captain discuss the senseless murders of these two young ladies. Beer of the Week - Sweet Action by Sixpoint Brewing Garage Grade - 3 and 3/4 bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

Karina Vetrano and Vanessa Marcotte were murdered while jogging, raising concerns about a potential serial killer in New York and Massachusetts.

Key points

Karina Vetrano's Tragic Murder. 30-year-old Karina Vetrano was found murdered after a jog, sparking a community outcry.
Community Mourning and Support. Friends and family gather to remember Karina, lighting candles in her honor.
Phil Vetrano's Desperate Search. Karina's father, Phil, searched for her after she didn't return from her jog.
The Investigation Begins. Police uncover evidence suggesting a violent struggle before Karina's death.
DNA Evidence Left Behind. The attacker left DNA, leading police to believe he could be a repeat offender.
The FBI Profile. The FBI releases a profile of a suspect believed to be familiar with the park.

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Discovery of Karina's body

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Tension

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