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How you feeling? >> How you feeling, Mr. Temple? >> Excuse me. Excuse me. >> Where is my boy?
>> Your first thoughts, David, as you come out. >> It's It's been nine years. It's been a
long journey. And uh we're waiting for justice to be served once and for all and for the people that put me there and
lied and cheated to be held accountable. >> David Temple spent nine years in prison
for a crime he says he did not commit. A court ruled his trial was unfair and he's out for now. The question is, will
prosecutors try him again? There have been developments in this case and we've been covering it since 2007.
>> We the jury find the defendant David Mark Temple guilty of murder as charged in the indictment.
>> David Temple was convicted after a six-week trial by a fair and impartial jury. He was given a life sentence for
executing his wife and unborn child. My name is Kelly Seigler. I was a Harris County prosecutor for 21 years. You have
the right to expect us to tell you the truth. The last murder case I handled here in Harris County was the David
Temple case. David Temple was in Katy High School a big man on campus because he was a big football star out there.
Belinda Temple, the kind of girl that nobody could say anything ugly or bad about. They had a son named Evan and the
facts of the case were just so different and horrible. >> I do not believe David Temple got a fair
trial. No person with eyes and ears and half a brain can say David Temple got a fair trial.
>> Mr. Darren made the argument that there were more than one burglar. >> Dick Darren was the trial lawyer for
David Temple. Dick did the best that he could with what he had. >> We objected and asked that she stay in
the record. Temple's appeals team discovered evidence was withheld from the defense.
>> On my left is the complete investigative report. This was never seen. This is what was suppressed.
Did you turn over the 1400 pages of police reports? >> No. Every single thing under the law Mr.
Darren was entitled to was turned over to him. I care about what I do. I care about the
process. And this process shook me. Kids in Katie, lots of them got shotguns. >> There were alternate suspects in this
case. >> What in the world do they have to do with who killed Belinda Temple? Nothing.
>> She lied. She cheated. And she broke the rules. That's not that's not >> a court agreed that evidence was
withheld and overturned Temple's conviction, but it is not over yet. >> David Temple is innocent. I want
complete exoneration. >> Prosecutors will have to decide whether to try him again for the murder of his
wife. >> Do you think you're going to be retrieded? >> I don't know, but if I need to do it, I
would do it. And I'd do it tomorrow if I need to do it. Heat. Hey. Hey. It's just a long process of u having to
go through that and spend 3,000 plus days in prison for something that you didn't commit.
>> David Temple served 9 years in prison for the murder of his wife Belinda. She
was 8 months pregnant and he has always denied having anything to do with her death. finally just to take another step
to being free where I'm at today and just to work day by day of having my name cleared once and for all. Temple's
conviction was overturned by the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals in late 2016. The court found he did not get a fair
trial and granted his request for a new one. His original trial was in 2007. You know with all your heart, David
Temple is guilty of murder. >> And it was one tough case. It took more than 8 years to bring Temple to trial.
Belinda was murdered in 1999. >> Harris County did an excellent job of collecting evidence and processing the
scene. >> Back then, Steve Clappert was an investigator for the DA's office. He says Belinda Temple's murder unnerved
the Houston suburb of Katy. Temple grew up there and was a high school football star. After college, he brought Belinda
back to his hometown. >> We were married in January of 92. College sweethearts. She was an
incredible woman, incredible wife, an incredible mother. >> Belinda taught special ed at Katy High.
David coached football in a nearby town. Their son, Evan, was just three and a half when David told him he lost his
mother. >> It's the saddest thing that uh you've seen as a boy that's just being broken.
just immediately the tears that came out of his eyes. When we spoke with Temple just after his
2007 trial, he told us his version of what happened the day Belinda died. David said Belinda was home after school
that afternoon while he took Evan out to run some errands. They are seen on this
surveillance tape. >> We stopped, got two drinks, and I picked up a bag of cat food.
>> He said when they got home, it was clear something was wrong. >> The back door is open and it's cracked
with glass. Took my son across the street and banged on my friend's house and handed them evidence. Asked if they
would call 911. >> 911. Go ahead, ma'am. >> Somebody has broken into my neighbor's
house. David ran back to his house and he says discovered Belinda's body slumped on the floor of their bedroom
closet. A cordless phone was by her side. I just walked in. My wife, I believe she's been shot. It's got blood
everywhere. >> She was killed by a shotgun blast to the head. Neither she nor her unborn baby
ever had a chance. >> Have you felt for her to have a pulse? >> Yes, she doesn't have one.
She's gone. She's gone. >> Temple told police he had no idea what had happened, but as is routine, the
police were sizing him up. >> Usually, you go to the closest people, and David, of course, was the was her
husband, so he was immediately of interest. And from the beginning, they found reasons to doubt David's
story. >> This is the actual door. Right. >> Right. This is the actual door. >> Dean Holty, then a crime scene tech,
told us in 2007 that he thought the breakin looked staged. >> If the door is sitting in in this
position, closed >> and intruder is going to make entry and break it out here, you would expect to
see the glass straight out this way. >> Broken glass would go straight out. >> Exactly. But you found it off to the
left. >> Yeah. >> What did the placement of that glass tell you? >> That the door hadn't been open when the
glass was broken. >> The TV was down on the floor, but it's not unplugged. You're there to to steal
a TV and you're first you're going to unplug it, right? >> But here's what really caught the
detective's attention. It turned out that David Temple was cheating on his pregnant wife. He'd been seeing a
teacher named Heather Scott. >> Do you think the affair with Heather was one reason that the jury might have
turned against you? >> Well, absolutely. There's not a doubt in my mind, but being unfaithful doesn't
make me a murderer. >> Police believe they had their man, but could not arrest Temple because there
was no hard evidence connecting him to the crime. No forensics, no fingerprints, no DNA. There were no
signs that Temple had cleaned up. No glass or blood was found in his truck. And despite an exhaustive search, police
never found a shotgun they could connect to David Temple. >> There is no evidence that points towards
me because it's impossible for there to be any because because I did not kill my wife.
Plain and simple. But there was nothing plain and simple about this case. >> I've not seen a case anything like this,
>> especially because one of Temple's neighbors had had run-ins with Belinda before.
>> You're not going to believe what happened. >> And he had lied about his whereabouts on
the day she was shot to death. I think the thing that makes this case so well known here in Harris County is
because of the way Belinda was killed. It was 2004 when Kelly Seagler got her first look at the case against David
Temple in his wife's murder. It was more than 5 years after the crime and nobody
had been arrested. >> I thought this is a really good case. >> But this was not an easy case.
>> No cold case that's a circumstantial evidence case is ever going to be easy, Richard.
They're all going to be hard. Seagler had a well-earned reputation for high energy,
>> one, two, >> high profile, >> three, four, >> and highly dramatic prosecutions.
>> Like you're mad, like you're afraid, like you can't can't stop. >> And she believed she could make a case
against David Temple with the evidence she had. What did you have? >> So many little pieces. the stage
burglary and the timeline that he tried to put together so perfectly, but he didn't quite pull off.
>> So, David Temple was arrested. It took three years to bring him to trial and into Kelly Seagler's crosshairs.
>> So, who is David Temple? You're going to hear a lot about him in this trial. He's
a man who nobody ever said no to. Kelly Seagler is Texas tough, but so is Temple's lawyer.
>> Like that. >> Dick Darren is famous for helping billionaire Robert Durst get acquitted
of murder. >> When I heard David Temple hired Dick Darren, I'm going, geez. >> The two lawyers have clashed many times
before. >> How do you describe her? >> They do not like each other. >> I can't trust her word.
David Temple did not kill his wife, Belinda Temple, and the evidence will show you that he did not.
>> But Seagler was confident and says the motive in this case is one of the oldest
in the book. >> It's true that David had an affair. That doesn't make him a murderer. Not only
did Temple cheat on his wife, but a year and a half after Belinda was killed, he
married the woman with whom he'd had the affair, Heather Scott. >> She was the reason why David Temple
finally made up his mind to end his marriage with Belinda by executing her. >> It doesn't look good. And that's what
the prosecutor harped on all during the trial. >> Darren's key witnesses were brothers who
lived directly behind Temple's house. I heard a loud boom boom. >> They were young boys when they told the
police they heard what sounded like a gunshot. >> How many times did you hear that?
>> One. >> Hello. >> The boys had started watching the movie Dr. Dittle A little after four. And nine
years later, they remembered the exact point in the film when they heard that sound.
>> Right there. >> Right here. Stop it here. Using that point as a time reference, the defense
figured they heard the boom around 4:30. And that is a critical time because David and his son Evan were seen on that
store security video at 4:32. >> When they heard the gunshot, David Temple was 6 miles away.
>> They were little kids and probably pretty impressionable. And who knows what they heard when they heard or why
they heard it. When we spoke to Kelly Seagler in 2008, she spelled out her theory of what happened, saying that
Temple murdered Belinda around 4:00 and then covered his tracks. >> David Temple made a sweep through the
house and made a an attempt to make the house look like it had been burglarized.
He broke the glass in the back door and then he took Evan and went to some places there in Katie to try and get
himself on videotape to alibi himself as quickly as he could. That plan failed, she says, when a witness who went to the
same high school as Temple said he saw him driving about a mile off the route. Temple said he drove that day, but close
to these rice fields. >> Well, what do you think he was doing out there? >> I think that's where he went to get rid
of the shotgun. >> But you never found the shotgun. >> Do you know how many rice fields there
are in Katy, Texas? And creeks and ponds. The evidence will show that David never
had a 12- gauge shotgun. >> Darren says the weapon wasn't found because Temple never had it. Police
zeroed in on Temple, he says, ignoring other potential suspects. >> The family had long suspected
uh this thug that lived next door and uh we just didn't have any proof of it. Riley Joe Sanders was a troubled
16-year-old who first claimed he'd been in school all day when in fact he was not. Belinda had told his parents he was
perpetually truent and she had tangled with him and his friends for leaving broken beer bottles in her yard.
>> I learned that he failed a series of polygraph tests on his knowledge of the murder. I learned that during the trial
for the first time. >> It also turned out that Sanders, seen here in 2008, had borrowed his father's
shotgun without permission. He had access to the kind of shotgun used in the used in the murder and he was in the
area when the murder took place and he had a history with Belinda Temple. >> Okay. He was a 16-year-old kid. Do you
really think a 16-year-old kid is going to walk into his neighbor lady's house, a teacher that he respected and did
like, and blow her brains out when she's carrying her nine-month-old daughter inside her body? Why in the world would
he do that? >> At trial, Seagler called Sanders as her last witness. He denied having anything
to do with the murder, but admitted skipping out of school that day and driving around the neighborhood with
friends, smoking pot. He said he got home around 4:30 and took a nap. >> He came down here voluntarily to walk
into a courtroom to face Dick Darren at that time, the meanest, baddest defense lawyer in the United States of America.
>> We're not required to prove who it was. We don't know who it was. In closing,
Darren told jurors that the boy next door was a better suspect than David Temple.
>> There's more evidence that it was Joe Sanders and his buddies than there is that it was David.
>> But Seagler said David Temple was the one with the motive. >> You better believe he was serious about
Heather. And you better believe he was done with Belinda in his mind. >> David Temple was convicted and sentenced
to life. Every ounce of error that you had in your body was just taken from you at one time.
>> Darren says he knows a lot more now than he did back then about Riley Joe Sanders
and about Kelly Seagler. >> How would you characterize Kelly Seagler's behavior in this trial?
>> Outrageous. >> I hate to admit that I was snookered, but I was. When David Temple stood trial, Steve
Clappard, the longtime investigator for the Harris County DA, did not know the case very well.
His only role in it was to drive Temple's neighbor, Riley Joe Sanders, to the airport and returned some property
to him. Kelly asked me to ship a shotgun back to him. He was living in Arkansas at the
time. >> But then 5 years later, a new witness got in contact with attorney Dick
Darren. >> We're on the record at 2:46 p.m. >> Daniel Glasscock, who knew Riley Joe
Sanders in high school, said he wanted to clear his conscience. He said back in 1999 he overheard Sanders talk about a
burglary that escalated. >> I remember him saying nobody was supposed to be there. Uh when he went
into the house as he went upstairs the dog attacked him. He shot the dog heard Belinda
put the dog in the closet and they panic and ran. >> It was confusing. The temple's dog was
not shot, >> but Glascock seemed to believe that dog was code for Belinda and that Sanders
could be involved in her murder. >> I really believe that an innocent man is sitting in prison for something he
didn't do. >> Darren gave Glascock's videotape statement to the district attorney's
office and investigator Steve Clappert was told to check it out. He said he panicked and ran.
>> Was it awkward to be investigating a case that your office had successfully prosecuted?
>> Yes. Clapper needed to know more about the case. So he read the old police reports,
all 1,319 pages, and he quickly became concerned. And what did you think when you read
that? >> I thought, "Wow, >> the name Riley Joe Sanders was all over the reports."
>> There he is again. There he is again. >> Sanders and his friends gave varying
accounts about where they were and what they were doing on the day Belinda died.
>> There he is again. Does that indicate to you that he might have been a suspect?
>> There was an extreme amount of interest in him. Clappert was obligated to give the
reports to Temple's new lawyers, Stanley Schneider and Casey Goro. And they say a
lot of what was in there was never seen before by the defense. >> Stuff was hidden. Who hid it?
>> Seagler hid it. Seagler hid it and she hid it. Well, >> for example, Dick Darren says
prosecutors hid information about this shotgun. It belonged to Riley Joe Sanders father. Sanders admitted in
court that before the murder, he took that gun without permission. Jurors did not hear that police were told one of
Sanders friends, Cody Ellis, had hidden the gun under his bed. >> And the fact that it's hidden, that's
evidence of guilt that you're hiding something. >> How a sheriff's deputy got a hold of
that gun is a mystery. The details of exactly how that deputy got the shotgun were unclear
all the way up until the trial. >> How can that be? >> Because the deputy didn't write a
supplement. >> Why not? >> I don't know. There was nothing sinister about it. >> Doesn't that seem odd to you?
>> It doesn't to me. No. >> Shotguns cannot be individually identified with ballistics. Seagler
claims the murder weapon was never found, but that shotgun had a lot of the same characteristics as the one that
killed Belinda. >> It was a 12 gauge. Has spent reloaded double buckshot shell in it.
>> It's the closest thing to a murder weapon law enforcement was ever able to find. And reloaded double buckshot shell
is pretty specific. It's pretty unique. >> It's the same gun that Clapper ended up
returning to Sanders after Temple's trial. Did you wonder about that weapon that
you sent back to Riley Joe Sanders? >> Yes, sir. It was a very sinking feeling. It still bothers me. It's something that
you can't undo. >> As Clappert scrutinized the reports, he became interested in another breakin
that happened just 9 days before Belinda's murder. Some of Sanders friends had gotten into a home by
smashing through glass, like the Temple Home. >> They had gone in and rifled through some
stuff. And so somebody had taken a CD player, turned it on his side, and left it sitting on the floor in the
>> like the TV in the temple case. >> In the TV in the temple case was the same kind of way.
>> One of the boys had a beef with the man who lived there. And Clappert wondered
if Riley Joe Sanders had a beef with Belinda and whether that could be a motive for him and his friends to break
into her home when they believed she wasn't there. >> They want to go mess things up. They
want to go steal a few things. They want to hurt rather than kill. >> Ronnie Joe Sanders had no involvement in
what happened to Belinda Temple. He was focused on and he was cleared. >> And what cleared him?
>> His own cooperation and truthfulness cleared him. >> That's all though, right?
>> Yes. >> Clappard says he sees nothing in those reports to definitively clear Sanders or
his friends. Sanders failed three polygraphs. Some of his friends failed, too. But the investigation, Clappard
says, just seemed to stall. >> Looked like they ran into a dead end. And then all of a sudden, it picked up
and it seemed like the entire focus was on David Temple. >> Guilty of murder. >> Guilty of murder.
>> Clappard says he wanted to pick up where investigators left off. He wanted to talk to Cody Ellis.
>> I wanted to ask him about the shotgun that he'd hidden for several days from Riley Joe Sanders. We know that they
were together the day of the murder. >> Did you ever get to ask him anything? >> No, sir.
>> Not one question? >> No. >> Clappard says his plans were derailed by other detectives,
including Dean Holt, one of the first on the scene. Clappard says they got to Ellis first and tipped him off about the
new investigation. What's more, Cody Ellis and Riley Joe Sanders both got lawyers who did not want them talking to
Clapper. Who found the lawyers? Kelly Seagler, who was no longer with the DA's office.
>> Have you ever done that before? >> Made sure someone had a lawyer. Yeah. It's a prosecutor's job to make sure
someone has a lawyer when you think they need a lawyer. Detectives also talked to
Daniel Glascock, the man who gave Darren that videotape statement. They made an audio tape of this interview.
>> A jury heard this thing. >> Okay. All 12 of them convicted him. >> What do you believe their goal was in
talking to Mr. Glascock? >> Break Mr. Glascock down. >> After 5 hours of talking, Glascock
wavered on a lot of the details. Darren, do not tell me, "Do not say this, do not
say that." But I just feel like words were being put in my mouth. >> When I heard that that witness not only
recanted, but that witness admitted that Dick Dear was the person who fed him the
details of the murder case. I was pretty disgusted. >> Clappert's new look at this old case was
not winning him friends in the office. People that I had known for many, many years would no longer talk to me.
>> But they would shun you. >> Yes. >> Like school kids. >> Yes. >> He called Kelly Seagler to explain what
was happening. >> He was crying on the phone apologizing for what it was he was doing to a
righteous conviction and investigation. >> Wasn't in tears. I was upset. My voice
cracks. >> What were you upset about? Well, you ever had the rug pulled out from
under you? I believed in that office. >> After 47 years in law enforcement, Clapper left the Harris County DA's
office in 2012. >> Do you believe David Temple is an innocent man? >> I believe that he did not kill his wife.
Now, Clappert would be a key player in getting a convicted killer a new day in court.
From day one, I knew that this day would come. In December 2014, after eight years in prison and after losing two
appeals, David Temple's luck changed. The process is in the right direction right now.
>> He was granted a new hearing to see if he got a fair trial or if he deserved a
new one. Attorneys Stanley Schneider and Casey Goro hope to prove that prosecutors hid
evidence from the defense, including police reports that focused on Riley Joe Sanders and his friends.
>> You have a young man who's interviewed on six different days, gives seven oral
statements, two written statements, and flunks three polygraph tests. >> Former prosecutor Kelly Seagler says
Temple's trial attorney Dick Darren got everything he was entitled to. Dick Darren might not have eyeballed with his
own eyes, the exact statement typed up in an offense report, but what Riley Joe Sanders had to say in all of those
statements, the meat of it was known to Dick Darren. >> And she says Darren got police reports
exactly when DA office policy said he should. That policy at the time was after an officer finished testifying,
right before Darren began his cross-examination, he could look at but not copy that officer's reports.
>> It was designed to keep Dick Darren with his hands tied behind his back. I don't
know how the hell you're supposed to do your job as a defense lawyer when you're
given that volume of information in the middle of trial. Some reports were 100 pages or longer,
and the defense never got to see reports written by officers who did not take the
stand. At Temple's new hearing, Seagler was called to testify, and she described how
information was doled out to the defense. You said I would give them all the discovery they were entitled to.
Piece by piece, very slowly and very miserably, they got what they were entitled to have. They got snippets,
bits and pieces. They never saw the whole police report. >> Even doing it the slow way. Every single
thing under the law Mr. Mr. Darren was entitled to was turned over to him. >> And who decided what was exculpatory?
the same as in any other case the prosecutor does. >> Sure. That's the way it works.
>> What the hell is that? >> Got disputes that Seagler handed over everything favorable to the defense. And
she says it all should have been disclosed before the trial. For example, all those reports about Sanders that
could be used to argue he made inconsistent statements. >> He was investigated. He was consistent.
He was cooperative. And I believe he was always very truthful. >> Well, he said that he went different
places in different statements. At one point he says that he saw David Temple's truck leaving the neighborhood. Another
time he says he didn't see David Temple's truck leaving the neighborhood. How's that consistent?
>> His story was pretty much consistent. >> This is not a minor point. You know this.
>> He said on second thought, it wasn't David Temple's truck. No, but but the Miss Seagler, you know that the devil's
in the details in these cases. And you know, in this case, he was pretty definitive the first time around.
>> Not really. >> Yes, he was. He described that truck with tinted windows and those special
wheels. >> True. It wasn't that definitive. >> It was pretty definitive. >> That's not the way I read it.
>> Defense attorneys say if jurors knew everything about Riley Joe Sanders, they
might have been more open to Temple's explanation of evidence. Like those shards of glass that police found so
incriminating. Attorney Stanley Schneider says they could have scattered when David came
charging through the door. >> If that door flung open and hits the hutch, it's going to fly off into the
living room. >> At the new hearing, Kelly Seagler spent 5 days on the stand. The former
prosecutor aggressively defended herself. It was very very repetitious and it seemed like it could have been a whole
lot more efficient. She was so just blasze about what she had hidden and why she had hidden it.
And I have my client David sitting next to me who lost his wife and his baby and
hasn't watched his son grow up and his family has gone bankrupt trying to get him out of prison. It broke my heart a
little bit and I didn't see that one coming. That was for damn sure. It breaks your heart a little bit now, I
think. >> Yeah, it does. >> In the middle of this new hearing, defense attorneys discovered some
evidence that never made it to court before. >> We're at the Katy High School. We're
conducting an interview in the investigation of Belinda Temple's death. >> Audioaped interviews conducted at
Belinda's school just 2 days after she died. >> A group of teachers were interviewed one
day in the gym. There was nothing of substance on any of those tapes in those interviews.
>> But Casey Goro says those tapes change everything. >> They would have decimated the state's
case. >> Seagler says Belinda was killed around 400 p.m. Cell phone records show she
made a call to David at 3:32, but they don't show where she was. A teacher who had been in a meeting with
Belinda gave police a clue. She left my office between 20 after 3 and 3:30. >> Uhhuh.
>> And you know, from what other people have said, she made a phone call to David.
>> Defense attorneys say if Belinda made that call from school at 3:32, it would
be all but impossible for her to have been home at 400 p.m. The time Seagler said she was killed. But Seagler says
the teacher was actually talking about a different phone call. She says she left
my office between 20 after 3 and 3:30. And you know, from what other people have said, she made a phone call to
David, >> which happened earlier that day. >> There's no indication that she's talking
about this any earlier. >> That's how I read it because they did have phone calls earlier that day.
>> She makes no reference of that. >> She doesn't say that it's happening later either. Y'all are reading into
that what you want to read into it. Temple's lawyers say if Belinda arrived home after 4, Temple would have had just
minutes to murder her, clean up, stage the scene, and get his young son to that store where they were seen on
surveillance footage. >> Kelly's timeline can't be David can't be the killer. 23 witnesses testified at the hearing,
including Daniel Glascock, who contacted Darren and spurred the reopening of this
case. He was called by the state. He continued to contradict himself and wound up in tears.
>> His eggs were scrambled so badly by all of those interviews. I mean, he's virtually useless as a witness anymore.
>> It was a lot for the judge to take in. And this judge is tough. Tough on defendants and very tough to read.
>> He didn't smile. He didn't frown. He didn't scowl. Nothing. Nothing. If David Temple doesn't get a new trial
and due process is dead in Texas and we should all just go home. >> David Temple's attorneys weren't sure
they had any chance at all with Judge Larry Gist as they waited for his opinion.
>> What I knew about Judge G was that he had a prison unit named after him. >> That could be bad.
>> You don't get a prison named after you by being pro-defense. >> And then in July 2015 came the news.
Judge Larry Gist said David Temple should get a new trial. Judge G listed facts, 36 facts favorable to the defense
that he said the state should have disclosed but didn't or disclosed too late to be of any use.
>> Seeing a judge that got to see all of this evidence say this man deserves a fair trial. He wasn't given one. that
mattered in ways that I still feel. >> This was the first good news David Temple's parents had heard in years.
>> What this whole case is about is this right here. At a press conference, attorneys Stanley Schneider and Casey
Goro. >> That's Steve over in the corner >> with Steve Clappert standing behind them
showed precisely how much information they say was withheld from the defense. >> This was never seen.
This is what was suppressed. >> Did you feel vindicated when you read the decision?
>> Certainly did. I certainly did. >> But Stanley Schneider was not ready to celebrate. at least not yet.
>> This is not a victory. Uh this this is just the first step. >> It was the first step because the
judge's opinion was a recommendation to a higher court, the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals, and that is where
David Temple's fate would be decided. >> How confident are you that the Court of
Criminal Appeals will order a new trial? >> I'm afraid to jinx it. I'm afraid to uh to hope too loudly.
>> Kelly Seagler was emphatic that she did follow the rules during Temple's trial.
>> Judge G findings when compared to what actually happened at trial with what the
witnesses testified to. His findings are incorrect. >> Judge G is just wrong. >> Yes, sir. He is
>> on 36 points. >> Yes, sir. He is. Not one thing that he enumerated is true. >> Not even one. Just because one judge
made these ridiculous findings that none of us can understand, he's not the final
say. The Court of Criminal Appeals is. Thank God. >> It was a long wait, but that final say
did come. In November 2016, in a split decision, the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals agreed with Judge Gist, saying
the prosecutor's actions had enormous significance. Temple's conviction was overturned and the court granted his
request for a new trial. >> How you feeling? >> How you feeling, Mr. Temple? >> And after those nine years in prison,
David Temple was released at the end of December. And then you saw your family. >> And then I see my family one at a time.
>> And tell me what that was like. >> It's very long awaited. See my uh brothers.
>> You all right? >> My mom and dad. It's incredible to uh just have that touch and the affection that you've
wanted all that time and have not been able to have is a uh sweet sweet joy. >> You remember what you said to them?
>> Just how much I loved them. >> Remember what they said to you? >> How much they loved me. And they were
glad I was finally home. They've been waiting for 9 years. We caught up with Temple soon after his
release at his parents' house back in Katy. >> What kind of welcome home party did they
have for you? >> Absolutely. Just a great home-cooked meal. >> Heather was here and your son
>> Heather and Evan met here. By the time we got here with my brothers and my mom
and dad, they were here within five minutes. So, it was a great night. >> Temple's son, Evan, grew from a boy into
a young man while David was in prison. They remained close. Evan was raised by Temple's second wife, Heather, during
those years, and they have both asked for privacy. David Temple may have had his conviction
overturned, but he is still charged with Belinda's murder. And Belinda's family says they still believe David is
responsible for her death. >> Do you want to say anything to them? >> I just pray for their peace and that's
where I'm at right now. And I pray that for them every day. This was a a very shocking case
for someone to come into somebody's house, stab two people and kill someone. We want to get the bad guy.
>> Who is this? >> Sammy Geller. >> The Geller case is one that's kind of haunted us for 20 years now. The biggest
problem I think we have is really trying to figure out why it happened. >> This cold case could be solved tonight.
So, listen carefully. Detectives need more evidence and it could come from you. Maybe you know some of the
suspects, or maybe you'll just notice a vital clue to this brutal murder that investigators somehow missed.
It was spring break. The town was full of people. >> The weather was awesome. >> Well, on March 20th, 1994, Amy Gellard
and her parents um attended a church service in Merit Island. I see Amy at church
and she says, "I'll be home soon." We go home and we're early. The parents returned home. Unknown to
them, there was an intruder in the residence. >> I see the man step into the room and
he's completely disguised. And then I saw that he had a dagger and a gun. Basically, we had to crawl through here
on our hands and knees and he took us to this area right here. >> He was pacing.
>> He was going out this door here. >> They had offered money. They had offered cars. Uh they made all these offerings
just to kind of get rid of him. >> Why remain there? Why keep looking out? I sensed and Bob sensed that he was
waiting for a ride and I saw the lights coming down the driveway. He panicked. Something switched in him and he just
lost it. First he slices me across here. He stabbed me uh here and he starts stabbing me in my neck.
And it's going in so deep. I can feel the bones crunching. That sound of my bones. To this day, 20
years later, I can hear those bones crunch. >> Do you think he thought he had killed
you? >> Mhm. Yeah. As soon as the lights hit, man, he came down with a knife in the back of my head
as hard as he could. If I don't get to the front door and start screaming, no one's going to get out of that house
alive. >> 911 emergency. My name is Bob Leighton. >> What's the problem, sir? >> Simpson ambulances. We've been multiple
times by one. >> You're bleeding very badly. >> I'm bleeding badly. >> And what happened to the intruder?
>> He fled on foot. >> At that moment, Bob, you think the only two people are hurt are you and Bunny?
>> The suspect came across Amy, who was standing in the driveway behind her car,
and of course, without warning, she was stabbed. I remember getting to the hospital
a pastor that I knew coming in and saying to me, "Amy didn't make it." No, no, this can't be happening.
>> Any case that's open, we want to close. It's the only closure you get for the
family. I'm Aaron Morardi. Tonight on 48 hours, cold case. Who killed Amy Gallard?
There's no day more difficult for Bunny Leighton than March 20th. >> Just a bad day all the way around.
>> The anniversary of her daughter's murder. >> I always think about tomorrow. Life will be better.
Bunny hasn't let fear force her out of her home, but continues to grieve along with her husband Bob and her two sons,
Amy's older brothers, Mark and Ryan. >> It does doesn't end, man. It It keeps on
going. It's been tough and I think it's just changed us all profoundly as a family
and individually. >> It's hard to think about it, isn't it? >> When you first started on this case, did
you think it would be solved right away? >> We always think that. Back in 1994, Todd
Goodyear was one of the investigators called to the crime scene. >> You've got a wellrespected family that
is living in a in a nice house in a quiet area and all of a sudden somebody breaks in and then something sets him
off and he starts to stab them and it's a blitz attack. >> Goodyear says when Amy's stepfather ran
out to get help, his attacker followed. Bob didn't see Amy standing by her car, but the intruder did.
He turns his attention to Amy and goes to attack her. >> The slash marks on her backpack indicate
a struggle with her killer. >> Amy actually runs across the street toward a an apartment complex and she
actually collapses in that parking lot and dies. >> Yes. Probably the prevailing view when we
first got it is we're going to figure out real quickly what the motive is and it's going to lead us to a person and
we're going to find that person and they're going to confess. We're going to be done.
>> But more than 20 years later, Major Goodyear was still trying to solve Amy Gellard's murder. There was a lot of
pressure put on to solve it and a lot of people were were upset about it and still are to this day.
>> We asked Goodyear and his cold case team, Lieutenant Carlos Reyes and detectives Marlon Bugs and Wayne Simok
to explain one of the most baffling cases they've ever encountered. >> I've never worked a case like this with
this many possibilities that have been out there. >> This is what investigators do know.
the weapons. The intruder was armed with an unusual gun and a knife. >> He's not cursing and he's not screaming
at us. And then all of a sudden, he's just stabbing the living daylights out of me.
>> The Leighton say the knife was a dagger resembling this police sketch. Because
the intruder was holding it, all they could see was the ornate hilt. And that was very unusual because it was a gold
chain that was basically, you know, interwound or twisted together. >> The dagger has never been found. And
have you ever been able to find one that seemed to match? >> Not with the >> Not with the hilt like that. No. And we
always have to put out a thing. The knife may not look exactly like that, but if someone knows somebody that has
one like that, that would be really important. >> As for the gun, it turned out not to be
a lethal weapon at all. Investigators were able to identify it when a magazine was found at the scene. It's actually a
prop made by Brixia. It fires blanks and is used in the theater and movies. >> It sure looks real.
>> If you had that put in your face, you'd believe it was a gun. >> But isn't that a good clue?
>> You would think it would be. Everybody goes, "Oh, Cocoa Beach Theater. Boom. Here we This is going to be solved." And
then you go there. Oh, no. We're not missing one. No reports of anyone stealing the gun like that. So yeah,
that ended up being pretty much, you know, for us a dead end at the time, which was very deflating.
>> The intruder, >> he had a black ski mask on. >> Bob and Bunny were interviewed by
investigators 12 days after being attacked. He had on a black top, black pants, white tennis shoes, and those
gloves that have the leather on the the hands. >> A black ski mask and gloves. Items that
would not be easy to obtain in Cocoa Beach, Florida during spring break. >> If you're going to kill them, you don't
need to mask because they're not going to be able to identify you anyway. So, is it someone they knew or was it
somebody from the area that somebody might recognize if they saw them? The intruders characteristics.
The latens couldn't identify their asalent, but they could remember a few features.
>> Who's Caucasian? I think I picked that up on the contrast between the ski mask
and his eyes. >> He was in his 20s. Did the voice seem familiar in any way that you had ever
heard it before? But Bunny says what she was struck by was his accent. >> I was very familiar with, you know,
Maryland, Pennsylvania kind of area because that's what he sounded like to me. >> Another clue.
>> I'm told to lay over him like this. >> The intruder forced Bunny and Bob to lay
on the ground in this position. >> When he put me on my stomach, I could not move. I was stuck. Investigators say
it's a technique used to control captives and suggests the intruder may have had some kind of military training
or police background. >> Police background could have gone to an academy, could have been a security
guard. >> As for forensic evidence, DNA was found on the guns magazine, but it may not be
from the intruder. >> Part of the problem you have is that we know the intruder was wearing gloves.
So, if there's DNA, it could belong to whoever handed him. Could be >> that item
>> could be or someone that had owned the item beforehand or someone that had had
used it with them. >> But the biggest question looming for investigators is why. Does anybody know
at this table why that intruder came into the home on March 20th, 1994? >> Specific motive? No.
>> And without answering that question, it makes it really tough to to get to the
right person. They all agree the evidence points to a targeted attack. >> Could it be money?
>> How many of you believe that the purpose of this was a burglary? >> You're not sure?
>> No. >> While the house is near the beach and one of the nicest on the block, investigators say that a burglar would
have just stolen property and fled and this intruder stayed. Strangers still the late and say money seemed almost an
afterthought to him. He took just a small amount of cash and some credit cards and seemed even less interested in
valuables. >> My wife had over $5,000 with German right in front of me. >> Then investigators wondered if Bunny and
Bob, both therapists, had been targeted by an angry patient. But there was little evidence to support that.
>> If you're going to hurt the couple that's there, why wait? Why not take care of business ahead of time and then
leave there? Why does he wait until Amy shows up? >> And that leaves Amy. Do you think then
Amy was a target or the reason why that intruder was in the house? >> Today I do. This case is ongoing. It
keeps developing. So ask me again in six months. I might have a different answer.
I have a hard time thinking that this is a random act. The consensus tends to be that that
Amy's the catalyst. There's something there with Amy or that probably caused this to happen.
>> What was it about Amy that would make her the target? At the time of her murder, she had just turned 21. And what
were you thinking on that birthday? >> She's happy. We're happy. This is good. >> Her whole life seemed ahead of her.
Amy was living at home with her mother and stepfather. Passionate about music, she got a job at the church her parents
attended, working as a sound engineer in Calvary Chapel's recording studio. >> She had always wanted to be a roadie for
a rock and roll band. God's sense of humor. She ended up being a roadie for the Calvary Chapel's rock
and roll Christian praise band. >> Did you think all the problems were over? Did you? I did.
>> Amy had been through a lot in her 21 years. She was three when her parents divorced. Amy and her two older brothers
live with their mother in Cocoa Beach, Florida. And how close were Mark, Ryan, and Amy?
>> They were thickest thieves. There wasn't anything they didn't share, and they
stayed that way always. >> She was just an incredibly good person. Amy's brother Ryan says whatever he and
Mark did she wanted to do. Even skydiving. >> Gutsy. >> Yeah. >> Feisty >> could be. She had a lot of life in her.
She's kind of the perfect friend, perfect sister. >> Amy was five when her mom married Bob
Leighton. And then not long after her life changed when she became seriously ill with encphilitis
that left her with learning disabilities. >> Oh, she struggled so much and she was
held back a year and that changed a lot of things in her life. >> By her freshman year in high school, she
met Andrea Odell. They became best friends. >> She was the most special person I've
ever met. She had an essence about her, a presence about her. >> Amy was also a typical teenager,
rebelling against her mom. >> Bunny wanted kind of a girly girl, and Amy was not a girly girl, and I think
Amy kind of wanted to flaunt any rebelliousness in her mother's face and to push it even.
>> And like so many of her classmates, Amy was experimenting with drugs. She was
smoking pot a lot. >> I'd say more than was healthy. >> She was not a weekend warrior, somebody
who just smoked some dope on the weekends. She was somebody who would sell her soul for pot and that's how she
got in trouble. >> Bonnie put Amy in a tough, controversial rehab program known as Strait. There was
no swimming pool, nice lounge kind of drug rehab. >> She didn't go to rehab by choice.
>> She blame your mother. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> In 1992, Amy returned home, seemingly a
new person. >> Had she changed any? >> She still seemed like Amy, but she had a better head on her shoulders.
Definitely. >> It refocused her and had her start thinking about what she wanted to do
thereafter. She had a new group of friends from church. >> I think they were really good influences
on her and I think she actually really enjoyed them. >> In the days leading up to Amy's murder
in March of 1994, spring break crowds were descending up and down the Florida coast. Ryan was
also home from college. >> Overall, what I remember from that week is her being in a pretty good state of
mind and just seemingly doing as well as I'd seen her do in a really long time. Sometime after 7:30 on the night of the
murder, Amy headed to church where she saw her parents for the last time. There was no premonition that anything
was wrong. Nothing like that. I get a phone call said that my sister had been murdered,
that my parents were in the hospital. I didn't look too good. >> What was your first thought, Ryan?
>> My first thought was I just couldn't believe it. >> It just didn't make sense.
And 20 years later, with the investigators renewed focus on the case, the family hopes to finally have some
answers. >> I think it's solvable. I just think that it's going to take the the right piece of evidence
and the right person to be willing to talk about it. I mean, when this happened in Cocoa
Beach, people were numb. They couldn't believe it. >> I remember there was a lot of press from
it. It was on the news. County also called in FDLE and the FBI >> when 21-year-old Amy Gellard was
brutally murdered in March of 1994. Marlon Bugs was the same age and a cadet at the police academy.
>> So to hear about someone being stabbed to death in this big murder scene and that was a big deal.
It never occurred to him that more than 20 years later, he'd be asked to use fresh eyes to finally solve the case
that has stymied so many of his colleagues. >> I read through this case on a daily
basis. >> Major, you got a minute? >> I run it by my partners. It's a discussion at lunch that we have.
>> We just wanted to get a brand new perspective on it. >> This case, there's so many questions
>> and over the years, so many suspects. >> There's a lot Most cases you may have one primary
suspect, maybe a couple peripheral suspects, but in this one there's many possibilities.
>> Like Jeffrey Anderson, a burglar currently in prison. He was involved in a police chase the day after Amy was
murdered. When he was caught, he was in a stolen car. And later, when Bunny Leighton's credit cards were found on
the side of the road in the vicinity, he became a suspect. polygraph wasn't picked out in the voice lineup. Can't
totally say 100%, but you feel more more likely than not he wouldn't be the guy.
>> And police couldn't link him to those credit cards. And there was Hugh Pppel.
At one time, he had a romantic relationship with Amy. He didn't become a suspect until 2013,
almost 19 years after the crime, when a tip came in to Crimeline. Hugh PPP had been killed in a hit-and-run accident.
There was a comment made that it was karma for what he had done to Amy Gellard. >> While there's no physical evidence
connecting him to Amy's murder, Papa remains on the list of suspects. And there are others much higher on
Marlon Bug's list that he and Wayne Simok want to track down and rein. >> That's Dominic. His name keeps popping
up. Around the time of Amy's death, Dominic Kuka was a 22-year-old short order cook from Pennsylvania
who had recently moved to Cocoa Beach with his high school girlfriend, Julie Flounders. But investigators didn't
learn about Kuka until more than a year later when they got a tip from someone who worked with Julie.
>> She overheard Dominic's girlfriend saying that he was possibly involved with that homicide.
Investigators then learned Kuka had stolen a car and left the area the day after Amy's murder. He later moved back
to Pennsylvania where investigators tracked him down and he told them a startling story.
>> Don puts himself at the scene. >> Kuka claimed that he was coming home from work when he drove past Amy's
house. He sees all the lights and the cop cars and the fire trucks and he actually stops, pulls over and walks up
to see what's going on. >> He was just being a concerned citizen just happened to be driving by their
stops and assist the deputy in putting up the crime scene tape, which is I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm
saying it's unheard of. >> And his story didn't check out when investigators went to the restaurant
where Kuka worked. >> They pulled his time card from Gatsby's and he didn't work that night.
Suddenly they had another person on their list. >> That kind of put him as a very important
person of interest at that time >> and Kuka kept looking better and better. >> He had just moved down here from
Pennsylvania, only been in the area for maybe a couple months at the most. >> So Kuka would be one of the few people
in Cocoa Beach who could have cold weather gear like masks and gloves. >> And so I believe he had those items with
him. And coming from Pennsylvania, he had that mid-Atlantic accent that Amy's mom
described hearing. >> I was very familiar with, you know, Maryland, Pennsylvania kind of area
because that's what he sounded like to me. >> For reasons that aren't clear, a voice
lineup was never done, but he was given a polygraph and Kuka failed it. Still, >> investigators couldn't connect Kuka
either to Amy or her murder. They couldn't find any mutual friends and there wasn't any physical evidence that
put him inside the house and so the trail went cold until 2014. >> It's game time.
>> This was the driver's license that he had most currently after incident. Now,
the new team, Marlon Bugs and Wayne Simok, are retracing steps made by earlier investigators and have gone to
Pennsylvania, hoping to question Dominic Kuka. It's hard to get your hopes up, right, that
you might have the right suspect. Cuz there have been other suspects in the past that looked really good in this
case. >> They haven't. >> This right now is probably the strongest one. But before they take their chances with
Kuka, they decide to make a surprise stop at the home of that old girlfriend who
allegedly had been overheard talking about Kuka's involvement in Amy's murder. Julie Flounders,
>> I'm hoping she's been waiting to get this off her chest and when we show up at the door, that's her opportunity.
Originally, she denied saying it, but Marlin hopes that Julie, now married with children,
may have additional information that will help. >> So, we want to take a shot at her.
>> And much to their surprise. She invites him in and is more than willing to talk
about Kuka. How did Julie describe him? Didn't she describe him as crazy? >> She said he could go both ways.
>> He could go both ways. >> Nice guy, not nice guy. >> But that fits. >> Oh, absolutely. that fits this intruder.
>> He's also a convicted thief. >> And when you talk about the thievery part of it, would Dominic steal from
somebody or break into a home? Well, on that case, yeah. >> She also did say that he he had a
propensity to have knives >> and there's his military training. >> Now, Dominic Kuka was in the Marine
Corps boot camp just previous to this. And you know, one of the things he learned how to do was fight with a
knife. But unfortunately, after two decades, Julie's memories about that specific
March night have faded. >> The key information that needed from her, she couldn't remember.
>> When first questioned, Kuka told investigators he was driving Julie's Jeep on the night of the murder.
>> She can't remember if he had a Jeep or not. >> And said he told Julie about being at
the crime scene. Did she remember him saying that he had been at this scene of a horrific murder?
>> She that she doesn't remember. >> She doesn't remember that. >> And what about her comment that her
boyfriend may have been involved in Amy Gellard's murder. For years, Julie denied saying it, but
she told these investigators that she might have said it in justest, but still denies Kuka ever confessed to murder. We
also wanted to talk with Julie Flounders, and she agreed to sit down and tell us what she knew about Kuka
back in Cocoa Beach in 1994. But in the end, all we got was an empty chair. Julie Flounder says she's too afraid of
him. Next stop is 280 miles away in Marianville, Pennsylvania, where Dominic Kuka is serving time for drug
possession and robbery. >> At the moment, we still don't know. You know, how's he going to receive us?
What's he going to say? And we just got some high hopes right now that uh that he's going to talk to us.
You don't want to say the wrong thing. You don't want them to shut down. >> So, uh, yeah, I got some butterflies.
>> There's a lot riding on this trip to Marianville, Pennsylvania. Wayne Simok and Maron Bugs need to
convince Dominic Kuka to talk about Amy Gellard's murder. might be our last shot
at having an opportunity to talk to him. >> As it turns out, Kuka agrees to talk,
but he has nothing new to say. >> He had this strange confidence about him. He still puts himself at the scene,
but he continually claims that he has no involvement. He says, "How could I do that?" He, "I'm just an addict."
>> Kuka is now in prison for robbing a pharmacy. >> As long as we let him just ramble on
about what he wanted to tell us, he was real comfortable. When we started asking
questions about the case, he got real defensive. >> After three hours, the investigators
head home to Florida disappointed. >> You know, it'd be great to come up here and try to clear this up, but right now,
I think we're leaving with more questions than answers. >> But they're not through with Kuka yet.
They wonder if he may be somehow connected to the man who has topped their suspect list for more than 20
years. Who is the number one suspect? >> In my mind here, >> that's Scott Manley
>> back in 1995. >> Back in 1994, >> Scott Manley, a friend of Amy's, became a suspect within hours of her murder.
>> When you start looking for that motive, you know, you start thinking who had access to a home. Scott Manley.
On the evening of March 20th, Manley stopped by Amy's house. >> Scott Manley was probably the last one
of her friends to be in her home. >> Manley told police he had plans to go out with Amy later that night after she
got home from church, but he never made it. He left this message on Amy's answering
machine. >> Scott, it's like 9:30. It's too late to go out. I'll give you a ring. I'm about
to land this week. >> Just 30 minutes after she had been stabbed to death. >> We all like to say there's no
coincidence in homicide investigation, which it's kind of strange. All of a sudden, just after she's killed, there's
a phone message from him saying, "Hey, it's too late to go out." There's a lot of things that make him very
interesting. >> By all accounts, Scott Manley was a handsome bad boy. People describe him
even back then as a con artist >> and a serious cocaine addict. Amy met him in rehab. Two and a half years
older, he was also from Cocoa Beach. And when they both left the straight program, they tried to stay clean.
>> I don't think he was successful. He was still a drug addict. >> There were more attempts at rehab in New
Jersey and Pennsylvania. When he returned home in the fall of 1993, Manley started using crack cocaine
again. He also reconnected with Amy, which greatly concerned her brother Ryan. >> I knew Scott wasn't a great influence
for her. That wasn't a relationship I was very happy about. >> Was she completely clean when she
returned back? >> She was smoking pot again. I knew that she had some people from straight that
she was getting it from. As investigators discovered, Amy felt caught between two worlds. Her new
friends at church and the wilder crowd she once hung out with in Cocoa Beach. >> I think she was trying to make good for
herself. It's almost like the angel and and the devil on each side. You know, one side pulling her one way and one
side pulling her the other way. Just days before she was killed, Amy asked her brother Ryan to drive with her
to the apartment complex where Manley lived with his parents. She needed to get something from him.
The whole thing just didn't make me feel very comfortable. Why is she hanging out
with this guy? Why is she asking me to go over there and do this? What What's going on here? This just doesn't feel
right. >> Marlin Bugs wonders if Amy brought her brother because she was afraid of
Manley. She has friends that say that Scott actually owed her money because they put their money together to
purchase drugs. And even Scott Manley himself talks about owing Amy money. >> The morning after Amy was killed, Manley
showed up at the Cocoa Beach police station to explain why he left that phone message cancelling his date with
Amy. >> At the time, it really was no reason to suspect anything. >> But the more Manley talked, the more
lies investigators uncovered. He told them the reason he stopped by Amy's house was to pay her back $30.
His father not only drove him there, he gave Manley the cash, but it wasn't the whole story. Later on, he admits that he
pocketed the money, that he didn't give the money to Amy. Um, that it was a ploy.
>> A scam to get money from his father to buy drugs. Manley says he then spent the evening
alone driving around smoking crack cocaine. And then there was Manley's claim that
he and Amy were going out that night. But Amy's best friend, Andrea Odell, disputes that
>> we had plans the night she died. We had plans to go for a walk on the beach. >> Does it make sense that she would have
said something to Scott that she'd also meet him later? >> No. >> He continually lies.
Everything is a lie. >> Still, Manley claimed to have an alibi. He said he was home before 900 p.m. and
his parents backed him. What's more, none of Amy or her parents' blood was found in Manley's car. If that had been
Scott and he stabbed somebody, wouldn't there had to be blood in that car? >> You would think so.
>> And these photos of his hands show no signs of a struggle. You say you can't get Scott Manley out of your head. Why
has he never been arrested? There's no hardcore evidence that we can just link to Scott Manley, so that makes it
difficult. >> Manley couldn't stay out of trouble. In 1995, after another failed rehab in
Colorado, Manley was accused of kidnapping his girlfriend's young child, all to get money for drugs. Breard
County detectives traveled there in 1996 to question him about Amy Gellard's murder. It hurts me
to think that I'm even, you know, I'm even considered to know something, you know.
>> And he agreed to take this polygraph. >> Regarding the death of Amy Geller, you
know for sure who? >> No. Did you participate in planning a burglary at Amy Geller's house that
eventually led to her death? >> No. >> And he doesn't do so well on it. But then again, he keeps changing the story.
>> In fact, Manley failed the polygraph. By 2005, he was in trouble again. This time in Florida for robbery.
He remains on the top of the list of possible killers of Amy Gellard. >> There is something that I feel that he's
connected with this somehow, whether he told somebody the layout of the house or
the fact that Amy's parents weren't home. um the fact that she comes from money.
>> Now, these investigators are wondering if perhaps Manley had an accomplice, >> which brings them back to Dominic Kuka.
On the night Amy was killed, Manley said he was driving around looking to buy crack cocaine from a white guy with a
northern accent named Nick. Could Nick be Dominic? Could you find any connection between
Scott Manley and Dominic Kuk? >> In the more than 20 years that investigators have struggled to find
Amy's killer, two names keep coming up. I keep coming back to Scott Manley and Dominic Kuka.
>> One theory is that both men were involved. Did Amy have something they wanted? Money or drugs?
>> You know what? If Scott came across Dominic at some point and talked Dominic into doing this, they're both having
this addiction to drugs. They're both needing money. Remember, Dominic Kuka places himself at the scene, and
investigators have wondered if the plan was for Kuka to break into the house while Scott Manley drove the getaway
car. >> Did get dropped off by Scott Manley and then Scott was going to circle around
and pick him back up. >> When Bunny and Bob came home from church early, the plan may have fallen apart.
Could Manley have abandoned Kuka, leaving him in the lurch? that would fit with the Leighton's description of the
masked intruder. >> He seemed nervous. He was just pacing the room. >> He acted like he was waiting for a ride,
that the person had left him high and dry, and he was waiting for that person to come back.
>> Each man denies knowing the other, but investigators uncovered a possible link.
Gatsby's restaurant, where Dominic worked as a cook and where Scott, according to his dad, had a job
interview. They eventually tracked down a waitress there who identified Manley's
photo. >> She picked Scott Manley out as being someone she thought came in looking for
Dominic at one point. >> That's the closest connection you can make between these two men
>> as of right now. >> Yes. >> And then there's Scott Manley's own admission to police.
that the night of the murder, he was looking for a drug dealer named Nick. But Kuka's former girlfriend, Julie,
says that Dominic went by the nickname Dom, not Nick. We reached out to Scott Manley and he
agreed to an interview, but as we were heading to the prison where he was being held on that robbery charge, he suddenly
backed out. Still, we have letters Scott Manley wrote. one in which he says, "Please, please find whoever's
responsible for Amy's death." But it's what he didn't say in these letters that caught investigators attention.
>> He never really denies involvement. >> We asked Major Todd Goodyear to look at
Manley's letters with an analysis technique used by law enforcement. You you can't file charges on Scott
Manley based on anything in these letters. How does it help? >> What's an investigative tool?
>> Manley writes, "The fact that anyone thought it possible that I could be part
of such a horrible crime nauseated me." >> Most people would say, "I find it reprehensible. I find it unbelievable
that anyone's thinks that I could kill her." >> Yes. >> Because I didn't. That would be a very
strong statement that says, "I didn't do it." And instead, >> this is not an I didn't do it. This is a
I can't believe anybody thinks I could be part of this. >> Goodyear is also intrigued by this line
that Manley and Amy planned to go out when she returned home from church. >> To me, it kind of signifies they were
going to go out on some type of a social or semiate. And then later on in the letter, he talks about he was supposed
to go there for a meeting. >> Had I not cancelled our meeting, could I have helped or saved Amy? That word
meeting means something to you because it could lead to motive. >> Could because a meeting is business.
>> That's why Goodyear wonders if that meeting involved drugs. >> I've always thought that he was
involved. >> But suspicion isn't enough. DNA found on the Guns magazine doesn't match Scott Manley, Dominic Kuka, or any
other known suspect. It's It's still a track. It's not one of our suspects, but it's somebody that's linked to them.
It's still a good thing. >> Is Dominic Kuka still a suspect? >> I would say yeah, he's still a suspect
because we can't clear him out. >> And Scott Manley is still a suspect. >> We can't connect him definitively to it.
And then again, we can't clear him. >> Investigators concede that Amy's killer could be someone who's not even on their
radar. But there's no statute of limitations for murder. So they hope scientific
technology or some new tip will be key to solving this case. >> In cases like this, anything can be
important. >> We know this case is solvable. I think that people are holding on to
information. They don't think it's significant, but it is. It means everything to us.
Amy means everything to us. I I'm not into vengeance. I'm into justice. I want justice to be served.
We were a bunch of women who came from all over the world to Seoul in 1988 to teach English.
Korea was transforming and opening up its doors to the west. The 1988 Olympics really represented
South Korea debut on the world stage. We were helping teach English to Koreans so that they were prepared for the new
world coming into their peninsula. It was an interesting time. It was a dangerous time.
There was Sandra. She took me under her wing and we definitely bonded. Kathy Patrick. She was the head teacher, kind
of our boss. I was definitely a party girl. And then there was Carolyn Ael. She was
sparkly. She was beautiful, really funny. She had a wicked sense of humor. My sister Carolyn was an adventure.
People did notice her. She was vibrant. She attracted people's attention. She had become friends with all of us,
but particularly with Kathy. They were like sisters. Life that year was great. We had so much
fun. We worked hard. We played hard. We partied at night. Everything was going so well.
All our fun came to a sudden crashing halt when one of us, Carolyn Ael, was murdered.
It was absolutely horrible, brutal, violent. There are multiple stab wounds. I can't even begin to describe what that
loss has been. Like somebody had detonated a nuclear bomb in the middle of the family.
>> So, whoever killed Carolyn is still out there. We're at Newark airport about to head
overseas to try to find some answers. What happened to this woman? Carolyn Ael. >> And where did Carolyn live?
>> Carolyn lived over there. Um, >> out in this direction here. >> Out in this direction.
>> I've been asking questions for 30 years. What happened the night that Carolyn was
killed? >> Everybody loved Carolyn. >> Who was in the room? >> Who put the knife in?
>> Why should anybody be able to get away with murdering somebody and never face charges?
More than 30 years later, our investigation has brought us here to a university in Bellingham, Washington,
where Carolyn Abel's alleged killer works. We just got word. We're going to make our move now. Okay, this is the
building. >> We were so sure the enemy was on the outside. It never occurred to any of us
that the killer was among us. 48 hours out of reach. Reported by Peter Vans. For writer and author Nancy Burkhaw,
flying to South Korea in the winter of 2018 reopened a painful chapter in her life, one of murder, loss, and fear.
>> Not only were we devastated about the loss of Carolyn, we of course wondered who's next.
back in soul. Where should be our first stop? >> Well, I think we should go to the school
to ELS where we all taught. >> ELS is the English language school. >> This is the neighborhood
>> where Nancy met fellow teacher Carolyn Ael back in 1988. This is the school and the world was
never the same for any of us who were in that building together on December 20th.
>> The events of that day have haunted Carolyn Abel's family for more than 30 years.
>> And the damage that's been done was just so devastating. >> Wanda Ael remembers her younger sister
Carolyn as the center of attention from an early age. This is our very first passport photo. Carolyn is on the right.
>> This is a passport picture with three people in it. >> Yeah. She was the youngest and the
cutest and the baby of the family. >> The youngest daughter of professors Dr. Francis and Evelyn Ael. Carolyn had a
love of photography and a wander lust that took her around the world. >> My mother said in retrospect, it was
almost like she knew she didn't have a lot of time. She wanted to do as much as she could in the time she had and not
waste a second. >> By the time she graduated from college, Carolyn had already lived in Pakistan,
East Asia, Germany, and France. >> She would get restless. She didn't like being just in one place for too long.
>> That restlessness compelled Carolyn to join the Peace Corps after college, serving in Nepal, where she taught
English. In 1987, Carolyn took another teaching job in Japan where she met this man, Tomoyuki Ayagaki, a customs agent.
>> She's always cheerful. >> Did she make you laugh? >> Yes, she's funny. >> Carolyn and Tomoyuki began a
relationship that very quickly became serious. >> Did you fall in love with Carolyn?
>> Oh, yes. >> Tomoyuki did propose to Carolyn. And what was her answer? Do you know?
>> Carolyn was trying to decide whether she would be happy being married and staying
in Japan. >> While contemplating a future life with Tomoyuki, Carolyn received an offer for
another job 330 m away and across the Sea of Japan. And in the fall of 1988, Carolyn set out
on her next great adventure in life, teaching English here in Soul, South Korea.
>> And from the minute she walked into the staff room, she was just breath of fresh
air. She sort of looked a little bit like Farra Faucet. That's where Carolyn quickly fell in with Nancy Burkhoff and
the other American teachers at school like Sandra Ames who requested that we alter her current appearance for this
interview. >> She was making her students laugh and sing and and have fun learning English
>> and Tamara Do. >> She made friends with everybody. She was very very friendly.
>> So this is Kathy. Carolyn also hit it off with the head teacher at the school,
Kathy Patrick. >> Carolyn and Kathy Patrick were extremely good friends. They were considered, if I
can use a modern term, besties. >> The women taught, traveled, and partied together.
>> Expat life in Seoul in the late 80s was wild. and one place where our worlds collided and that was Eetwan, the red
light district. >> This is where Kathy and Sandra and Carolyn and Tamara and I would come.
>> So what we did is we danced and drank like crazy people. On the weekend of December 17th, 1988,
just 3 days before the murder, Sandra, Cathy, Carolyn, and some Korean students took a trip into the mountains. Carolyn
took these pictures. >> We spent the time looking at temples and hiking and then partying in the evenings.
>> Classes were winding down for the winter break. Tommoyuki was getting ready to
fly to Seoul, hoping to get an answer to his marriage proposal. On Tuesday, December 20th, Carolyn never made it to
work. And a lot of us missed work on occasion for various reasons. >> I was not at that point concerned, but
Kathy was concerned about Carolyn because she couldn't get her on the phone. >> Kathy was asking all of us, had any of
us heard from Carolyn? No. >> Kathy was very upset, convinced that something had happened to Carolyn.
>> And I said, "Well, maybe we should go over there." At that point, some of our students
drove us to Carolyn's apartment. We went into the apartment and Kathy discovered the body.
She was murdered brutally and horribly and in a way that she did not deserve. And we were just all in shock just
trying to figure out what happened. I think we all just felt like, "What the hell's going to happen now?
Are we in danger? How will Sandra and Kathy ever recover from the shock of seeing their dead
friend? Where do we go from here? Carolyn's apartment was on the 15th floor. So, here we are.
I'm Peter Vans and I'm a reporter for CBS News and we are working on a story about a woman named Carolyn who used to
live in your apartment and we came by to ask you if we may have permission to come into your apartment to take some
video pictures. >> Early in the afternoon on December 20th, 1988, colleagues and students of Carolyn
Abless came to this apartment building after she failed to show up for work. Kathy, Sandra, and three Korean men
walked down this hallway. Surprisingly, the door was unlocked and they went inside.
Who was the first person into the apartment? >> Kathy. She went did a beline right to
the bedroom. Kathy came out of the room and said, "Carolyn's dead. We need to call an ambulance. No, we need to call
the cops." And she didn't want me to go look at the body. >> So, we have our shoes off
and we're ready to check out the murder scene. This is the room where Carolyn Ael left
this world and she put up a fight in her last minutes of life. She had a number of defensive wounds and she took the
brunt of it. More than 30 stab wounds including a cut from ear to ear on on the throat and there was blood
everywhere in here on the walls on the bed. It was a mess. Korean police and press swarmed the
apartment which had been ransacked and within hours. The murder led the national news in
South Korea and I remember watching the news and the cameras panning around the room and they
kept going in on this teddy bear and it was really horrible. The impact of seeing her body wheeled
out in a body bag really made it quite real. It wasn't a dream. It became the nightmare that it really
still is to this day. >> How did you get the news of what had happened to your sister?
>> I was at home and my mother called me. She told me that Carolyn had been murdered and I just I screamed.
We were just crying trying to figure out. I mean, how could this happen? Who would
want to do this to her? Everybody loved Carolyn. Why? >> With the killer still out there,
Carolyn's friends wondered, could they be next? We were all certain that perhaps a
Korean had probably killed her. If a Korean hated an American this much, was he coming after the rest of us?
>> The shocked friends turned their attention to Kathy and Sandra, who had discovered Carolyn's body.
>> They seemed horrified. I was so concerned about them. >> They were hysterical.
It seemed as if they were having a nervous breakdown. Days later, Kathy Patrick led a memorial
service for Carolyn. >> I think it was quite moving. >> Even now thinking about it, you tear up
a bit. >> Kathy also wrote Carolyn's parents. Wanda still has that letter. >> Please know that I love Caroline as a
sister and a dear friend. My roommate and I are the two people who found Caroline in her apartment. Let me know
if I can tell you anything. >> In Japan, Tomoyuki learned the love of his life was gone,
but he decided to make his trip to South Korea anyway. He stayed with Kathy and Sandra.
Even today, after all these years, 30 years, this still gets to you, doesn't it?
>> Yeah. Sorry. >> In Soul, rumors were swirling and South Korean police cast a wide net.
We were all suspects. Every single teacher on the staff was interviewed. You know, the Korean police were in our
faces just like, "Where were you? How did you know? Caroline, what's your story? Why are you here? Why did you
come to our country? Are you secretly FBI?" We just kept thinking, why are you asking me this? Get out there and find
the real killer. >> Then Nancy took a phone call in the teachers lounge that moved the
investigation in a whole new direction. >> Sounded like a Korean woman. And then
very quickly she said, "I know who killed Carolyn." I said, "What?" She said, "An American military officer."
Nancy told the South Korean police who brought in detectives from the US Army. >> And very quickly thereafter, John
Boatright walked in. >> John Boatright was a legendary chief of detectives for the Army's criminal
investigation division in South Korea. He quickly eliminated the US military officer who was pegged as a suspect by
his ex-girlfriend. He did not know Carolyn Ael and it appeared that she was just trying to get revenge on him for
the bad breakup. >> 3 weeks after the murder, an autopsy revealed the cause of death, a stab
wound to her right lung. The report also confirmed her throat was cut. >> In my opinion, her throat was cut after
she was deceased. after. How unusual is that based on your experience? >> Very unusual.
>> So, what did happen at Carolyn's apartment? >> And I was convinced that whoever did
this probably knew Carolyn. >> Why? >> Because there was no signs for entering into the apartment. It appeared that
whoever was in that apartment knew her. >> There were two coffee cups found in the
room. If there's a breakin, generally a criminal would not say, "Hey, let's let's have a cup of coffee before I
ransack your place and and attack you." >> That certainly would not be normal. >> Like his South Korean counterparts, Boat
Wright decided to question Carolyn's colleagues who told him, >> "You really should look at the two girls
who found the body." >> Those two women, Sandra Ames and Kathy Patrick. We assumed that a Korean had probably
killed her, but little did we know that the enemy was inside that staff room with us.
Just weeks after Carolyn Abel's murder, the investigation by John Boatright was focusing on the two friends who had
discovered her body. Roommates Kathy Patrick and Sandra Ames. >> And do you get a chance to question each
of them? >> No. Kathy Patrick had already gotten on a plane and left Korea. We had encouraged her to go. She must
have lost 15 pounds. She just looked like someone who was about to break. >> Kathy returned home to Washington State,
but Sandra was still in soul. >> I took a statement from her and then I asked her, "Uh, did you kill Carol?"
And she just sort of sat there and stared at me. She's just staring at you. >> That's correct. After about 30 seconds,
she was very quiet, but she said, "No, that was just just not normal." >> Sandra maintains she had nothing to
hide. So, two months after the murder, she waved her right to an attorney and agreed to take a lie detector test.
>> I remember being hooked up to all the wires in a darkened room. He asked her, "Do you
know where the murder weapon is?" And she said, "No." And she really peakedked out on that,
indicating that she was not being truthful. >> I said, "I'm not lying. I'm telling the
truth." So, we took it again with the same results. And at that point, I said, "Let
me tell you about this picture in my head. The picture was a dark shape on a bed
covered in a quilt that I knew was a body. Sandra described that picture in her head as a fragmented memory of that
night. As Boatright asked her for more details, she told a new story. It was nothing short of a bombshell. The story
began with being in bed and having Kathy at the door of my room and coming in and
saying, "I think I killed Carolyn." "What with?" I asked. And she said, "A knife." "Where is it?" I asked. "In the
kitchen sink." Sandra said she was in disbelief and asked Kathy to take her to Caroline's
apartment where she saw her friend's brutalized body on the bed covered in blood.
>> To the best of my recollection, we sat in the living room at Carolyn's apartment and she convinced me,
manipulated me to help her make it look like a robbery. though she didn't mention it when we
spoke with her. Boatright says that during their interview, Sandra made another statement about her own actions
that night after she walked in and saw Carolyn's body. >> She says, "I touched her arm
and it was warm." And at that point, I realized that she may be still alive and that she might testify against Kathy.
And so I went to the kitchen and got a knife and came back and I cut her throat to make sure she was dead.
>> Remember, Boat Wright believed that wound was inflicted after Carolyn was already dead from the stab wound to the
lung. So, what Sandra is telling you is actually forensically matching up what was done to Carolyn's body.
>> Absolutely. >> But Sandra's story quickly changed. In these official statements, Sandra wrote
that Kathy had admitted to cutting Carolyn's throat. And today, Sandra claims that the only reason she made
that admission was due to false memories implanted by investigators. But she doesn't deny going to the crime scene or
handling the murder weapon. >> You did tell authorities at the time that you cleaned a bloody knife.
>> I did. I did. And that was because I remembered putting the clean knife into the dish rack. Kathy had said that
that was the knife she had used to kill Carolyn. It may seem far-fetched, but Sandra
claims those memories had been suppressed deep in her subconscious mind until the interview with Boatright.
>> So, are you telling me the truth? >> Yes. Yes. >> Because some of these lapses in memory
are kind of convenient. >> Oh, they're very convenient. But no, this is the truth as I lived it.
Though Sandra's story was bizarre to say the least, investigators believed the core details,
which never changed, that Kathy woke her up and confessed to killing Carolyn and
the two of them staged it to look like robbery and the evidence they collected appeared to back that up. each time that
she was interviewed later, she kept changing the facts to to limit her involvement in the murder, but she never
denied that uh Kathy did the murder and she never denied that she was present uh
just after the murder. >> Who do you believe held the knife and murdered Carolyn Ael? Kathy Patrick.
>> After her confession, Sandra Ames was kept in house arrest here in Seoul. 5 months later, in July of 1989, she
pleaded guilty to harboring a criminal and suppressing evidence. >> I was fingerprinted, photographed, and
put into a holding cell. >> But why would Kathy want Carolyn dead? Investigators uncovered a secret which
provided a potential motive. >> Kathy really fell for Carolyn. >> Tamara Do was one of the few teachers
who knew Kathy was gay. >> And she would confide in me, you know, I really like this woman. I think she's
into me and and I'm like, Kathy, I don't really think she's gay. You should really be careful. Kathy told me that
she was in love with Carolyn and that her feelings were not necessarily returned.
>> I believe that Kathy and Carolyn were alone uh during that initial attack. >> The thing that makes most sense to me is
Kathy tried to kiss Carolyn and Carolyn pushed her away and rejected that kiss. I think Kathy was so enraged and angry
that she lost control. >> Kathy Patrick was now the prime suspect in Carolyn Abel's murder. A murder
warrant for her arrest was issued in South Korea. Back in Japan, Carolyn's boyfriend,
Tomoyuki, heard the news. You stayed with Kathy at her apartment. Yes. for her part in the alleged crimes.
Sandra was sentenced to one year in prison. Meanwhile, Kathy Patrick was back at
home in Washington State. The South Korean government made diplomatic requests to return her to
Seoul from the US to face a murder charge but hit a wall. >> There was no extradition treaty with
Korea at the time. >> When she left, they couldn't get her back there. >> Why couldn't we see through Kathy and
Sandro? It's just unreal, you know? So, in in one fell swoop, you learn that your friends are involved in this crime
and that the one who might have been the killer is free because of this loophole in
American law. >> In the States, Carolyn's family pushed for an arrest. >> The US attorney in Washington State
said, "No, you can't arrest her because she hasn't committed a crime in the United States." There was no
jurisdiction to arrest her for murder. And that's what pushed my family to say, "Wait a minute. This isn't right."
>> But American authorities weren't finished with Kathy Patrick. And soon they would come face to face with her.
Did you ask Kathy Patrick flat out, "Did you murder Carolyn Ael?" >> Yes, I did.
So, this is one of the last pictures taken of her alive. >> Right. Right. In the days after Carolyn's murder,
Wanda worked overtime during the holidays to bring her home. >> We got her back in time to hold the
funeral on New Year's Eve. >> Gone, but never forgotten. Wanda Ael and her family were pushing
the government to pursue a case against Kathy Patrick, who had left South Korea just weeks after Carolyn's murder.
>> So, do you believe this sudden move from South Korea to the United States was in
a way a an expression of consciousness of guilt? >> Yes. Well, Kathy knew she did it. So she
had to suspect that sooner or later somebody was going to put it together or that Sandra was going to crack and tow
on her. So she spent as little time in South Korea as possible after she killed Carolyn.
>> With Kathy Patrick back in Washington State, Carolyn Abel's family was fearful
they could be targeted. I was worried that Kathy would try to kill us because Kathy wrote these
letters to my parents, that she was her great friend and that, you know, she'd love to meet them. And I was working
through my mind, what would I do if I saw this person or if she showed up at my house?
>> Despite the lack of an extradition treaty, there was still that South Korean arrest warrant for murder for
Kathy Patrick. My name is Steven Schroeder. I'm a retired assistant United States attorney
and I worked in Seattle. >> They also asked the US government for help. What did the South Koreans want
you to do? >> Among other things, they wanted me to take a deposition of Kathy Patrick and
ask her some questions about the murder that occurred in Soul. It was 1989 when Schroeder was assigned
the case with John Boatright and FBI agents along with her lawyer Kathy Patrick willingly sat down with them to
be questioned. Did you ask Kathy Patrick flat out, did you murder Carolyn Ael? >> Yes, I did.
>> What did she say? >> She said she did not. >> And did you present her with what her
roommate had said? >> Yes. >> And what did she say about that? >> Simply it wasn't true. And did Kathy try
to shift blame at all? Did she point the finger of suspicion at all at Sandra? >> Not with me.
>> Kathy also denied under oath that she was in love with Carolyn Ael. >> Do you believe Kathy Patrick lied to
you? >> There was enough indication of that to justify us doing further investigation.
Yes. My strategy at that point was if the Koreans did not prosecute it, then to look whether we could for basically
false statements, perjury, obstruction of justice. >> Even though lie detector tests are
inadmissible in federal court, they are a tool used by investigators to confirm deception.
Kathy Patrick willingly agreed to take one and answer questions about Carolyn's murder.
>> The examiner concluded that she was deceptive. And deception is >> what? >> Lying.
>> After the polygraph, Kathy Patrick, whom South Korea still wanted to arrest for
murder, was free to leave. >> Is that frustrating? >> It was very frustrating. >> Compounding Carolyn's family's grief,
Sandra Ames was released from a South Korean prison after serving just 6 months of her one-year sentence. And it
wasn't because of good behavior. >> Is it true you got out of prison because someone bribed a judge to get you out?
>> Yep. >> Absolutely. >> We just couldn't believe it. I mean, six months for assisting a murderer and covering up
the crime scene and making it look like a burglary and not even telling anybody,
not talking. I I don't understand. I >> when Sandra returned to the United States, she was recruited by the FBI to
go undercover and secretly record a reunion with Kathy Patrick in hopes of eliciting a confession.
>> I didn't even call. I simply went to her house. >> And what does she say to you, Sandra?
What are you doing here? >> Probably. And I think I said something along the lines of, "How could you have done that?
How could you have killed Carolyn?" And she said, "I don't know what you're talking about."
>> Without incriminating statements from Kathy, the feds were not able to press charges for perjury.
>> As long as she stays within these borders, she's a free woman. >> That's That's correct. Yes.
And with no extradition treaty in place, South Korean authorities put the murder
case on the shelf. >> I think the South Koreans were taking the attitude that this is a US problem.
It's two US citizens. >> Meanwhile, Carolyn's family carried on with their quest for justice.
>> My dad contacting every congressman, every senator. He wrote to news stations
60 minutes because he was hoping that if that happened then there would be more publicity, more pressure.
>> While Kathy Patrick carried on with her life. >> If it is true that Kathy Patrick
murdered your sister, is she a danger today to the public? >> I I think she probably is. And who knows
what would trigger some kind that kind of violence again. >> Kathy declined to meet with 48 Hours. So
we went to her in Bellingham, Washington, where today she's a counselor at Western Washington
University. >> Okay, guys. We're going to make our move now to Kathy Patrick's office.
>> Hi. >> Hi, Kathy Patrick. >> Hi, Peter Van Sam with CBS News. My sister never got to live her life.
Why does Kathy get to live a full life? For almost three decades, Kathy Patrick has lived a quiet life in Bellingham,
Washington, north of Seattle, where for the last 18 years, she has worked as a student adviser at Western Washington
University. >> Okay, this is the building. Okay, so when we get in, let's move quickly to her office. Kathy turned down
our request for an interview, saying Carolyn's murder was too painful to talk about, but on this day, her past was
fast approaching. >> Hi, Kathy Patrick. Peter Vans with CBS News. There are investigators from two
countries that have now are certain that you murdered Carolyn Ael. What do you have to say?
Um, I have to say that I'm innocent and that I don't know what happened after I found
Carolyn's body. These are Kathy Patrick's first public words on the murder of Carolyn Ael in 30 years.
>> Now, your roommate says just the opposite, that you confessed to her and that the two of you then went back over
to Carolyn's apartment and staged the scene as a burglary. No, >> that never happened.
>> No. >> So, she's lying to us when she told us that. >> I believe she is. >> You flunked a polygraph test. How did
that happen? >> I don't know the science of polygraphs. I'm not surprised that I would um flunk
it in retrospect given how clammy and nervous I am right now. And I'm even shaking. It was a frightening
experience. And I absolutely do not know what happened before I went to her apartment and found
her body. >> It has been >> It has been 30 years since this. Isn't it time to come
clean about this? >> Investigators are certain that you committed this murder. >> They are wrong.
>> If you didn't, who did? I believe it must have been Ames. >> Sandra Ames. She says you did it and you
had her go over and help manipulate the room to make it look like a burglary. >> That's not true.
>> Another circumstance in all of this is that people have >> You want these people to leave?
>> Um, can we stop right now? >> These are important questions to be asked about this. Um, there were 30 stab
wounds on Carolyn's body and friends say that you attacked her after she rejected
you. Your romantic advances. >> No, this has to stop now, please. Um, >> you're really sidelining me here, and
I'm not prepared to answer questions here at my place of work. This happened 30 years ago. I have been available to
investigators in Korea and in the US. In her interviews with South Korean police,
a deposition, and a polygraph test with American investigators, Kathy Patrick did not point a finger at Sandra Ames.
Steven Schroeder had a question about that for Kathy. >> Well, why didn't you tell us that 29
years ago? When we recently contacted Sandra Ames, she told us she wasn't surprised that
Kathy tried to blame her and denied having participated in Carolyn's murder. >> If it went to trial, I would be willing
to testify. I would need to testify. >> Where should Kathy Patrick be today in your opinion?
>> She should be in prison. Plain and simple. Thanks to the Able family's lobbying
efforts, in 1994, Congress passed a law that allows for the US prosecution of US
nationals who kill other Americans in foreign countries. >> And so today, American families, if
their loved ones are murdered abroad by an American, um, will have a very different
experience than Carolyn Abel's family did. And I think I think we all owe them a debt of gratitude.
But in Carolyn Abel's case, any trial seems highly unlikely. In South Korea, the statute of limitations for her
murder has expired. And the Ael family says investigators told them the physical evidence in the case has been
destroyed. Evidence that would have been crucial for a trial in the United States.
>> No one should have to go through what my family went through. How do we live in a
world where a US citizen can go murder a US citizen and then come back and live like nothing happened?
That's the outrage of this. >> In a case where nothing is simple, the long path to justice may never reach its
destination. I honestly can't picture old cuz she was just always so so vibrant and so energetic and I I I think she
still would be, you know, I miss her. She was like my best friend. We've all continued our lives as adventurous
people, but you know, we kind of carry the memory of Carolyn behind us. Whatever ground we
walk on, it's hard not to remember that there's another one of us who could be out there
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