Murder at N.A.S. Norfolk /// Part 1 /// 747 | Forensic Files

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crime [Music] he he [Music] he he [Music] he late last year I received correspondence
from someone wanting to learn more information about a case in which they had some ties to the
victim here is a portion of that communication Carol an molar was murdered in 1983 and it tore the molar
family apart her mother died soon after her body was found and her father later passed away without any answers as to
what happened to his little girl her sister and extended family have yet to get Justice even though I was quite young at
the time I can still remember her picture a young beautiful woman in her military uniform displayed prominently
in Carol an's grandmother's house the only information I have about her murder is that it is still
unsolved she was in the military at in Norfolk Virginia and one night she went missing she was found sometime later in
the seaw wall on the Naval Base I believe she was found to be strangled and raped but the family never spoke
much about the details from my research I have found that there are several theories please look into this case
thanks in advance for your time and help this is a look at the still unsolved murder of US Navy Petty offic
off Carol an molar and this is true crime [Music] garage Carol and Molar grew up in a
loving household in Western New York Carol Anne was born September 1961 to Proud parents Joseph and Carol
molar about 2 years later she got a little sister life was pretty normal growing up in a family of four Carol an
was beautiful smart and driven she signed up for the US Navy and so off to both school and service she went in 1983
she was 21 years old living with a roommate on Chesapeake Boulevard in Norfolk Virginia Norfolk is a waterfront
city in Southeastern Virginia it's home to Naval Station Norfolk a massive Naval
Base on Chesapeake Bay unfortunately this general area has been the location of several True Crime garage episodes
most recently are apex predator episodes regardless of crime stories that we have
covered from this local it is a beautiful area that holds significant importance to this greatest of Nations
Carol an was ambitious and hardwork a yman third class petty officer working as a male clerk for the Navy during the
day but Moonlighting as a go- go dancer under the name chrisy on the weekends this is going to take us to
Friday Night February 5th 1983 Carol Anne was one of the girls dancing at the gallan club where at
closing time she was said to be heading home where she lives with her roommate Deborah stutsky at
8648 Chesapeake Boulevard okay so let's break this down a little further Carol is reported to have left the gallion
club at 3:00 a.m. so now we are technically Saturday February 6th in the we hours of the morning her roommate
says on that Saturday that carolanne never made it home that morning Captain we are only talking about a 10 to maybe
15minute drive from the club to the home and 15 minutes is stretching it out quite a bit right so she lives not far
from Virginia Beach this club was right on Virginia Beach so not a far drive and
unfortunately this young woman does not make it home the only good news here is that the alarm is raised immediately and
we get some good information her roommate Deborah stutsky has Carol's back their good friends not
just roommates Deborah calls the local police she reports her friend missing that very morning she tells them to take
the report seriously as Carol Anne would have either called the night before or at the very least called in the morning
if she expected not to be home her roommate reports her missing tells law enforcement hey take this serious but
also I can give you a description of what she was wearing that day she tells the cops that the night before when
going off to work Carol Anne was wearing a fulllength black leather coat a pink sweater jordash jeans and black high
heels the bolo beyond the lookout that hits the police scanners States provides a description to the beat cops saying
Carol an molar is is 5T tall weighing 95 lb with blue eyes and shoulder length curly hair so we get the outfit
description from the roommate and we also get the physical description of our missing person that is hitting the
police scanners early on that Saturday morning so the call to action has been made and action is being taken to look
for this young woman 21 years old so that's a good description and fast action but unfortunately on that
Saturday she never comes home she didn't return after work the day comes and goes
she never returns then on that Sunday she still does not turn up now the alert level will go from burrito to
burrito supreme real quick this is when Carol Anne fails to show up for her regularly scheduled assignment that
Monday so this is February 8th remember she's she is working for the Navy that's
a pretty strict assignment pretty strict job her commanding officer jumps into action that Monday morning well look you
have to be very serious when you own or operate a boat Carol Anne had worked at the Staff College assignment for over a
year and according to the commanding officer she was a dedicated worker she didn't miss days and was rarely late Al
Whitley back then was the spokesman for the Staff College he said that the Navy suspected Foul Play When Miss molard did
not return to her apartment to collect quote so much as a toothbrush end quote the Navy did their due diligence
obviously they checked in with the roommate they checked her apartment and calling Carol an's parents
before going public Carol parents who lived near Buffalo New York had not heard from their daughter since prior to
her disappearance so we get the Navy calling this Foul Play right from Jump Street
here Captain yeah which is abnormal because normally law enforcement goes we're just going to assume that she ran
away right and what we have here is we're going to have the Navy will be directing most of this investigation so
I never having been in the Navy I'm taking a little bit of a guess here my guess captain would be our first action
is to make sure that she's just not simply awall right do we have any evidence to suggest that she just took
off if she were to take off it would seem likely maybe she would go home and so that would be protocol check with her
parents you've checked with her roommate and when I say check her apartment I think they actually went to the
apartment and did a walk around right and so we have now made we we've collected enough evidence to suggest to
us before we go public with this that she's not simply just missing or absent without official leave she is missing
and we think that there's some foul play involved here now did anybody tell the Navy about her dancing that I don't know
but I don't think it was much of a secret this was something that she was doing for for a while and I don't know
the particulars of that that part-time job other than she was working that part-time and had done so for some time
the go- go dancer title is maybe one that some people are not super familiar with but in a lot of cases what that
tends to mean is that you're not like an exotic dancer you're not dancing up on stage a lot of times that means that you
are part of a collective that's showing up at these clubs and you're dressing provocatively and
you're up and dancing it's to kind of get the party going at these clubs get people to stay there a longer period of
time get people up on the Dance Floor themselves while I don't know the particulars of her part-time gig the
title was go go dancer and I do know that she would work at this club but it was seems to be like it was part of a
circuit you know captain and your your band playing days how you you play you play one bar club and then the next
Saturday you hit this other one and the next Saturday you hit this other one same thing for Carol an she had I
believe it was three Virginia Beach Clubs that she would regularly go to and work as a go- go dancer on the weekend
as said she's had the same assignment for a year and her commanding officer saying she doesn't miss days so we have
something going on here that is obvious to persons that know her that are willing to step up and say look we
suspect Foul Play this is something serious we all need to be on the lookout for this young lady now later we get an
update this is from the Norfolk Police Sergeant who said that Carol an Muller's green station wagon was found about 10
days after she was reported missing well like we always say it's easier to find a
car than it is to find a person the car was found not far from the club where she was working that night when she was
last seen right the sergeant said quote there is a very good possibility that Foul Play is involved in quote and we've
been handling it as if a homicide has occurred adding that search parties have been organized
to look in the area where Carol and molnar's car was found well just to be Captain Obvious dum dum pants just so
I'm clear the Navy is the one heading up the investigation but they're still working with local law enforcement well
yeah so what you're going to have here Captain you're going to see two things taking place and we're going to see if
you want to call it an investigation we're going to see the investigation shift rather quickly on our timeline
here in just a second but what you have is she's originally reported missing to the local authorities via her roommate
that Saturday right and then she becomes Officially Missing to the Navy when she
doesn't show up the next time she's supposed to report for Duty so you have two agencies if you will working on
locating this young woman they find her vehicle that's not a good sign and now we have the events of May 1st 1983 we
get bad news so this would be a little more than 5 days after Carol Anne was last seen
remember she was leaving the gallan club her body is located they find her body and here's the news report out of
Norfolk Virginia and it reads the badly decomposed body of a missing Buffalo service woman has been found partially
buried under the rocks of a seaw wall at the Norfolk Naval Air Station Carol Anne
molar age 21 a Buffalo area native and a Navy petty officer third class assigned
to the Armed Forces Staff College was last seen at 3:00 a.m. at a Norfolk nightclub City and navy law enforcement
agencies are investigating the case Miss molnar's fully clothed body was found about 8 miles from the nightclub and
from the spot where her car was found 10 days after her disappearance it goes on to state that
she had worked part-time as a go- go dancer in Norfolk area clubs in her off duty hours and her Father Joseph said
his daughter occasionally expressed fears about the Norfolk neighborhood where she lived can you say again how
far away she was found from her car this is where it's a little complicated but I
think what they're they are suggesting here because I don't have the address or a
great description of where her car is found right but what they're saying is her body was located and found eight
miles from the nightclub where she worked and from the spot where her car was found so and unless unless she's
found equidistant to both and they're on Polar Opposites I think what they're s suggesting here and this is what I found
in later reports too I mean reports that came out the following year and the year
after that that her car was it's a little surprising to me that it took 10 days to locate it
because the other the descriptions we get is that her car was found relatively close to where she was working that
night right but not obviously in the parking lot or anything correct that is correct cuz we have 10 days that expire
before the car and then it's as said a little more than 50 days between the time she's reported missing and then her
body is found now this she's found as this report States at the Norfolk Naval Air Station right which to me it leans
towards the idea that it's somebody that works at the Naval Base yeah and I think
that the the information here we need to kind of cross reference it with what other sources we can find so we did end
up getting access to the death certificate in this case autopsy report well we weren't that lucky but we did
get the death certificate which does have some information some slightly different information from the report
that we just gave so according to this report she was found at 10:30 p.m. May 1st 1983 so that's just further
information we already know Found May 1st but this is telling us she's found at night at 10:30 p.m. we have cause of
death listed here as manual strangulation with the location of the body found listed as rock barrier seaw
wall at n Norfolk let's go back to the previous report where they are saying the Navy air station so I'm
guessing here on the death certificate the na s Norfolk is standing for Navy Air Station Norfolk it goes on to State
strangled by another person body found in crevice of rock sea wall now I have got to say captain that I found in
crevice of rock seaw wall sounds that this could be a little different to me than the previous description and maybe
I'm just wrong but the previous description they use the word buried when I hear and read the words found in
crevice of rock seaw wall seems like she was placed placed or or may have been in
the water kind of floating a little bit too I so we don't get a great description on how she was found or who
she was found or who found her what I what I have learned in our research of this case is that the person that found
her has never been considered a suspect meaning not that they didn't take the time to think and go well maybe we
should consider this person a suspect there's there's reason not to consider them a suspect you know for anybody that
was wondering hey uh guys I I found a body in this crevice over here hey thanks for telling us be on your way
well and we can get into the reasons why that may be for the person that found her here in a bit but before
that unfortunately we have to get to another victim now shortly after Carol Anne
Muller's body is found and in the early stages of the investigation when it failed to yield any publicly known
suspects it was only natural that persons on base off base and with law enforcement were going to start to draw
parallels to a murder that took place just about one year before that was still unsolved when Carol Anne was
killed right we are talking about the murder of another Norfolk Navy woman and her name was Pamela an
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before we went to what's up sorry I'm just I've been laughing about that all week I don't I've always thought it was
funny because we can't see the people in the back but for some reason it's been really cracking me up this week and I
just keep on saying and thank you to the people in the back the garage listeners
likely do not know the number of inside jokes that are going on uh during during the housekeeping
portions of the show yeah you got to listen to every episode to get them all cheers to the people in the back is an
old one from our young days when we were when we were heavy metal guys and you'd
be on stage and you couldn't see past the third face in the row yeah uh there was no seeing anybody in the back and
likely there was nobody back there so cheers to the empty room cheers to the people in the back we left off Captain
we introduced another victim here unfortunately who was killed the year before Carol Anne molard was and this
victim again another Norfolk Navy woman her name is Pamela an kimw I think what's going to happen here
Captain I think that listeners will recognize immediately that there are similarities
in both the victimology and the details of the crimes themselves from the report and we
will try to offer up a little speculation along the way this is a summary from the Norfolk
AP report a Navy woman whose body was found Bound in the back seat of her submerged car apparently was choked
unconscious and drowned when her car rolled off a c plane ramp at the Norfolk Naval Air Station the Navy said see
there you go Nas again Naval Air Station so this is while it's a a larger area this is a very
specific area yeah but this is also why when they had another missing female they said hey we're we're looking into
this case immediately thinking that Foul Play happened because of this case medical examiners ruled the official
cause of death as drowning but there were bruises on her body and signs that an attempt was made
to strangle her according to Lieutenant Commander John Alexander he's a spokesman for the base the body of
Pamela an kimw a radio man Sean stationed at the air station was found about 2 p.m Friday March 26
1982 so if we're looking at the time that Carol Anne molar goes missing she went missing February 6th so we're
talking roughly about 11 months difference between the time that Pamela an kimw was killed and then Carol Anne
molar goes missing Pamela Anne's case is a little bit different though because the
timeline is much more precise that will be helpful to the investigation so what we do know Captain is that Pamela Anne
kimw she was last seen alive at about 400 a.m. p.m. Thursday March 25th and we know that her body was found
at 2 p.m. Friday March 26th so we're talking about a little more than 24 hours from the time that
she's last seen alive till when she's discovered in the back seat of her car which is submerged into water right the
details of when she was last seen are helpful too so she was last seen when she left her office to pick up messages
at a Communication Center Miss Kimber was a native of Bay City Michigan and had been in the Navy for a little more
than two years by this point so here another victim unfortunately Pamela was drowned after an attempt to strangle her
Carol an was was strangled both in water or to be specific in Carol's case in the seaw
wall now Captain one thing that will be of great importance for the investigation or
investigations is that because both victims are in the Navy and found on base right we have niis working these
cases what this is going to mean is much less information making its way to the media and news outlets specifically in
regards to details about the crime committed how they were carried out and information that you and I would like to
review about the crime scenes so similar of victims roughly the same age same sex
same manner of death and also same placement of the body after death I wonder if this individual was trying to
use the water to get rid of evidence I think you're right I think it's both get rid of evidence and try to conceal the
body either permanently or as long as possible right and when we say that we would like to review some information
and details about the crime scenes a note here for new garage people out there each murder has at least two crime
scenes in this case in these stories that we're talking about as far as I can tell and possibly three so
here we have where the attack and the abduction first took place that's one crime scene Carol's car and where it
was found would be another crime scene and then the location where her body is found is the third crime scene Pamela
an's case likely two crime scenes but all of those areas need to be investigated looked for evidence and
talk to everybody that you can to see if there's any eyewitnesses or ear Witnesses at any of those locations
right to these investigators this is them investigating the murder of one of their own so remember this is this is
NIS well two of their own correct correct but for terminology here this is an investigator investigating the murder
of one of their own so think of a homicide investigation where you have police investigating the murder of a
fellow police officer so what you would expect in a situation like this and investigation like this you're going to
expect it to be intense hyperfocused and because of the agency working these cases the Navy you think that likely
you're going to have a wealth of resources here for your investigation well it's going to be all Hands-On deck
literally exactly now I'm going to say something here with no intent to upset the old apple cart oh God and the Very
truth of this is of course that there should be no murder victims at all if we lived in a perfect world there would be
no True Crime garage show to listen to but we don't and there is so when we talk about
victimology heck I hate to even say the words out loud but from an investigation
standpoint these are ideal victims the the nature of their lives their work and their lifestyles are far more punch
clock and jental than the regular old civilian life well isn't they did some studies people that take the same route
every day people that to have the same schedule every day have a higher percentage of a chance of being murder
victims well and here what you have is a situation where you know the comings and goings of
these two for a large part of their day and and for the most part a large part of their week right a lot of us have
jobs maybe you're salaried in Pulley and you don't punch a clock you don't have to you know report to the boss or report
to he or she whomever that you're not checking in all the time no this is the this is the Navy they're they're pretty
much checking everything there's checks and balances they're they're you're you're you're arriving at base you're
clocking in they they know where you live so there's a lot there's a lot of paper trail here and a lot of evidence
that's going to shrink not only your timeline but you shouldn't have a whole lot of Blanks on those timelines which
is something that we see in a lot of cases so yeah but this is also this is the reason why I only work a job for two
weeks then I quit start a new job because then my my schedule's always changing well to speak in specifics here
let's take the Pamela kimw for example she was working on Bas when she was attacked there's no doubt about
that so she was working on base she's attacked there and later found there in her car submerged in the bass's
waters meaning while it's not an absolute it's a damned near certainty that Pamela kimw killer had access to
the Naval Base there was solid evidence of a sexual assault so that can only mean one thing Captain
we are most certainly looking for a sailor a Navy man okay Captain dumb question of the
episode what percentage of the people on base are connected to the Navy and do they have a a small percentage of
employees that are technically or maybe not employees but people that are visiting the base is it a situation
where you should only only be on the base if you're in the Navy or is there a possibility that there's regular
civilians that could be on the base that is a great question so this is one of the largest if not the largest navy base
in the United States I hesitate to say that but I I do know for certain that it's one of the largest it this this is
a huge area a lot of people and then it's also surrounded by other military milit
and Armed Forces outfits as well so while I don't know the percentages that you asked about and I don't think that
that's a bad question at all one thing I will say here is without having numbers
in front of me in the early 80s I would guess the male to female ratio for persons at this navy base would be
significantly high for the males significantly High when we talk about a Navy man and then let's take it
a step further given the location where Pamela kimw was attacked on base that means that that man our killer that poor
excuse for a man bag forget about an honorable sailor that man not only had access to the Navy base but likely
had clearance to where she was attacked clearance to that specific area right you have different ranks and you have
different job duties on this base and while I might be a sailor and I might be have a an assignment there my assignment
may not allow me to travel to every portion to every nook and cranny of that base well let me just
say something and everybody just sit back in your chair relax and put your tin hat on for a second I thought it was
funny when you said hey the the Navy's going to look into this my first thought was yeah you're you're goddamn right
they're going to look into this because there's a chance that it is one of the higher ups like you said they have
access to areas that others would not have makes you wonder was their intent to look into this to solve this crime or
was it to figure out what happened so they could deal with it internally that's something you always have to
consider but let's think of I know that's a little tin hack for everybody but yeah but let's think
of NIS as a little more Internal Affairs right it's it's own it's it's very much its own Department okay so
what you're saying and likely they may not care they may not have anybody to protect right so what you're saying is
actually their job their sole job they don't go after civilians their job is just to correct the system the system
which they're a part of but their job is to make sure that they catch the dirt BS
yes and the other thing I want to make clear here too something that that you had referenced earlier I don't want to
suggest that the area that she was attacked at required some kind of higher clearance that it was like right that
you have to be a high ranking officer to get into that location what I what I simply mean here is when you when you're
running any secured facility and when I worked in security for years we you have
access and Grant access to different people to different locations where you may have person a
who is a high ranking official at that facility or that location but they have no reason to need access to something
that maybe a janitor or maintenance person may need access to right you you limit where persons can travel that's
the way that you keep structure and you keep Rule and you keep people safe by doing that so what I'm suggesting here
is that my first course of action if I'm NIS and I'm sure that this is where they
went with this if this is an area where one you have to have access to the base itself okay that doesn't really help you
when that still includes thousands and thousands of people because it's such a large Naval Base
but with inside of that base so what you're doing is you're eliminating and you're shrinking your
suspect pool while when we talk about a case a homicide in in a city where there's a million people well right then
and there including the victim's mother everybody's a suspect in that City all one million of them suspect here in this
situation because of where the attack took place and where the body was found you can immediately go okay it had to be
somebody that had access to this base and that doesn't include every person that lived in the city of Norfolk right
now you could shrink it even further if this is a location that only certain Personnel had access to with inside of
that base if that makes sense no I I think it totally makes sense but hear me out on this if it's a common place if
it's a common area that a lot of people go to and you might not have access but you could get access from somebody else
if that makes any sense well it can and it could but I don't think that that's what we're I'm not saying most of this
without having any knowledge of what's going on here so let's go jump to another report this is an additional
report specifically about the investigation in Pamela and Kim Brew's murder case so this report states that
the last trip of Navy messenger Pamela and Kimu through the naval air station has been traced dozens of times so what
they've done here is they already know the last time that she arrived on base and she had to check in she's not just
showing up willy-nilly she has to check in and be granted access to come on to the base so now they are checking her
last trip through the Naval Air Station because that's where everything is telling us the attack took place and
where her body was found they are saying investigators have interviewed 798 people seeking Clues they've even
put one of them a man who heard Miss kimw screams under hypnosis hoping that that would disclose an unremembered
detail of her slaying the report continues they've tracked down 300 White Chevrolet Chevettes registered on base a
car her killer might have used and they're sure that the killer knew knew the young sailor well and may have even
tracked her on her last day of work but weeks of work have produced only one solid clue and that clue was a ski mask
that the killer apparently left in the car where Miss Kim's beaten and bound body was found in the back seat
underwater so to give a little bit of a description here the way that this looks
to me Captain is that she's attacked and then placed inside of her vehicle when they find the vehicle submerged in
water she is bound her hands behind her back her body is bruised so there was some kind of physical attack that took
place prior to tying her up and and maybe even after tying her up and placing her in that vehicle but an
attempt to strangle her was made on top of that they the killer wrapped the seat belt around her in a
way that would further restrict her movement right I think that we're looking at a possibility of one of two
things either the killer thought that he had completed the job and that she was dead when the vehicle was moved into the
water right or these were further attempts to keep her in that vehicle because as we already know and have
discussed the manner of death here the the cause of death actually was drowning in this situation so she was unconscious
in the backseat of that car tied up and not only couldn't get free probably never attempted to get free because she
was unconscious yeah my guess is that the killer already thought she was dead yeah she they find this ski mask inside
the vehicle and they're like oh either the killer thought thought we would never find this car and and put it in
the car willingly or likely what they believe is left it there on accident or dropped
it in the process of putting her in the vehicle and then putting the vehicle in the
water now I'm guessing that the ski mask being submerged in water it was submerged in water right the whole car
was yes right so that's probably going to really screw grew up some DNA evidence also found in the car we have
her purse uh she was clothed according to the naval investigative service uh member his name is Charles lanan who was
giving this report do you think because both of these victims were found with their clothes on but there was evidence
of a sexual assault do you believe that the clothes were put back on to maybe hide the fact that they were sexually
assaulted you want me to be brutally honest yeah I think that that's a I think that that's a fib I don't think
that I think that the victims were either found partially clothed and they're choosing to leave out the word
partially and right I'm saying that based off of what we know about the attacks like you said the sexual assault
right I think that this is a way to honor your fellow Soldier or sailor and that this is a detail that's
not necessary for the newspapers or for the general public my guess is that they're probably both found partially
clothed or or not a lot of clothing at all and as said that it's the other thing
too if you don't announce that there was a rape involved in your reporting to the
newspapers that also could be considered back information for your investigation that yeah which would make
sense yeah that only someone with intimate knowledge about the crimes would be aware of that either the you're
talking to either the killer themselves or somebody that the killer talked to and told the details of the crimes so if
you hold back that information when you got somebody sitting across from you if they know that a rape took place and
you've never announced that to anybody anywhere then you know you're talking to some of significance and of importance
to your investigation NIS agents have traced the victim's movements from her off base
apartment that foggy March 25th morning through the gate of the base to the Communication Center where she picked up
the morning messages for her command her watery grave was less than 100 yards from where she was last seen alive they
had 15 NIS agents working full-time on Pamela Kim's case early on in the investigation the report also mentioned
something about hypnosis that's that's correct and the reason being investigators are saying that they chose
to use hypnosis in this case they were hoping to trace in detail what that witness heard and saw in the base
parking lot that night so this individual he's out there and he's search he hears a scream
and he goes looking for where that scream came from and why there was a scream to begin with right and they're
worried that in his haste and maybe panic when he's out there in the dark that maybe he's not recalling everything
later when he's talking to investigators so he says yes I'll do the put me under
hypnosis maybe I can recall something that I I'm unable to tell you here in these uh conversations I wonder if they
gave this iwitness a polygraph test as well they go on to say that they believe that the attack on Miss kimaru may have
been interrupted when flashlight carrying Sailors and this is something you had asked about earlier and civilian
defense workers combed the lot on foot and in cars so they thought that the scream
initially was that of someone who had accidentally driven over a seab ball right you know it's it's dark at night
that that this was something that was an accident and so this is what's telling what this is telling me
Captain you it's easy to put together how this looks people were out there they're
working this is a large base you got a lot of people there somebody hears a scream people go looking for what that
scream was where it came from and why it even happened in beginning with I think
these Sailors and the civilian defense workers keep it mind those civilian defense workers had to have clearance to
get onto the base too so that these persons are vetted they know who they are even though they're still civilians
these people go looking for it I think that they are arriving to the scene and seeing evidence of the car going into
the water because I think it's it's no coincidence that they are finding and recovering her car and her body so
quickly I'm going to say this you might think I'm crazy but with so many people looking
and and and out in that parking lot the killer could have slipped right back in and just acted like he was looking to
see what happened too exactly especially if he is and why wouldn't we expect him
to be he'd be close by right well not only he should either be a sailor or a civilian defense worker right so he's
likely outfitted uniformed similar to the other persons in the area at the time that are searching what a he would
slip right back in yeah he would he would blend in immediately if he could behave in a natural way if he was
capable of doing so her body was found in her car by Navy divers 120 ft Beyond a sea plane ramp so this ramp is 100
yards from the Communication Center that's where she was working she had been beaten about the head her hands
were tied behind her back with clothesline she had been dumped in the back seat of her car while still alive
they were able to determine that her attacker turned on the ignition put the car in gear and sent it down the CPL and
ramp into 10 feet of water investigators say the attacker this is what we were talking about
earlier so much and this is from their report the NIS report the attacker would have had to be someone who had access to
the base either a military man or a civilian defense worker at that time of night at 4 am. so that's interesting
too the that specific detail remember what I talked about you could be a high ranking official at a location and maybe
not have access to every corner every Corridor of that location of that facility what they're saying here is not
just would this have to be a military man or a civilian defense worker that had access to the base they would have
had to have been somebody that would have had access to the base at that time frame at that time of day yeah because
if your schedule was to be there from 9 to 5 you have no reason you you have to have a pretty damn excuse on why you're
there at 400 a.m. well and keep in mind though this is a base it's it's not about having an excuse It's about being
allowed on the base no that's what I'm saying like that's predetermined so they go on to State here that the guard the
the gate guards are their their sole purpose their their entire the entirety of their
job is stopping every vehicle in person and seeing their identification before anybody is allowed to go anywhere they
have to be on a list they have to have clearance and access to to that base yeah and I would assume that is pretty
difficult to sneak back on the base yeah and the job duties too are going to be pretty well laid out and anybody that's
had a job that has to follow a certain schedule knows that that's going to break things down even better for
investig Ator so when she was killed she was in the process of picking up the morning messages these are reported to
be routine correspondents from ships aircraft and other bases so they know not just where she was and at what time
she was attacked but also what task she was carrying out when she was [Music] attacked
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Carolyn Ann Molnar, a 21 year old Navy clerk, disappeared February 6, 1983. Her body was found about 3 months later at the Naval Air Station in Norfolk, Virginia. A year prior Pamela Anne Kimbrue, a 23 year old Navy messenger, disappeared from the Navy base. She was later found in her car, submerged at the end of a seaplane wall. Her killer tied her arms behind her back with clothesline. This week in the Garage, Nic and the Captain discuss these two homicide cases from N.A.S. Norfolk.

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the unsolved murders of Navy officers Carol Anne Molar and Pamela Kimw, exploring their backgrounds and the investigations.

Key points

The Unsolved Murder of Carol Anne Molar. Carol Anne Molar, a Navy petty officer, went missing in 1983 and was later found dead. Her case remains unsolved, leaving her family without answers.
Navy's Immediate Response. The Navy took immediate action when Carol Anne failed to report for duty, suspecting foul play.
Discovery of Carol Anne's Body. Five days after her disappearance, Carol Anne's body was found, raising serious concerns about foul play.
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Cheers to the People in the Back. A light-hearted moment reflecting on inside jokes and audience engagement.
Investigation of Navy Murders. Exploring the chilling similarities between two Navy women's murders.

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Episode quotes

The only information I have about her murder is that it is still unsolved.

Discussion of the unsolved nature of Carol Anne's murder.

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