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All >> [music] [music] [music] >> right, get ready to stuff your face with some candy corn.
Filthy animal. >> Well, hopefully you're a few weeks from doing that. Welcome to a hoo-ha
>> Browns football Monday. [laughter] >> Oh, that's right. Monday Night Football.
Son of a [ __ ] I'm happy now. >> The 49ers I look >> to, you know, everybody knows I'm a I'm
a big Browns fan, but I do like the 49ers as well. So, it's always even more of a better matchup when you
>> when you dig the other team. I like their coach. say a lot of got a lot of young stars, upcoming stars. Uh, so it
should be a fun fun evening. I'm hoping. >> Don't they have that Colin Kaepernick
guy? >> They do not have that guy. >> It's a joke. [laughter] >> Uh, but they their their coach Kyle
Shanahan. >> I'm a big Kyle Shanahan fan. And then >> gota like their quarterback, right?
>> Uh, Jimmy Grapes. >> Jimmy Jimmy. Jimmy Jimmy. >> Yeah. I mean I I mean I like him. I like
him. I just don't like him today. Today I do not like him. >> I want to see him sacked. Oh,
>> he will get sacked. >> Let's say four four times more or less. >> I'm four. Four would be awesome. Four or
five. >> I'm calling I'm calling more than four. >> I love Miles Garrett. I would love to
see him have two sacks tonight. >> Mhm. >> Did you see Mason Rudolph get knocked
out? >> No, I didn't. I mean, straight up knocked out like they So, the Steelers,
sorry, we'll only talk football for a little bit. We do have some true all we want to do.
>> But, so I watched the uh Baltimore Ravens, Pittsburgh Steelers game yesterday. It was a really good game. Uh
Ravens won 23-20, I believe was the final score, or 24 to 21, something like that. Won by a field goal in overtime.
Now, at it might have been the second quarter or third quarter, they were coming in to sack the
quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers, Mason Rudolph. He got wedged between two
of the Baltimore Ravens who were running full speed. >> Mhm. >> And it was terrifying because you see
him on the replay. Well, on the live action, you saw it, but it was even more obvious
on the replay. They straight up knocked him out. He got wedged in between of them and between the two guys and you
see his whole body just go limp. >> Yeah. >> And the way he got hit was like Well, you're a big boxing and MM MMA
fan, so you've seen this more than most, >> but it it looked like a like when Mike
Tyson would just square somebody, hit somebody right in the jaw, and you just see them drop. Well, sometimes their
their chins are not as protected as they should be. >> Yeah. >> And and if you're getting hit in the
button with a helmet. >> Yeah. This was a this was a shoulder right to that chin. Right to the side of
the chin there. >> Yeah. And those pads, you know, you also notice with some of those pads, they're
able to get like up under that the face mask. So, but I I do know that the backup quarterback played pretty well.
>> He did it. But the the terrifying thing was Rudolph went like his body went completely limp, but you know when you
see like um they still have like some stiffness in some of their body >> like his his right arm,
>> he had his like fingers out and they stayed out like as he was falling down. It was it was some scary stuff. He did
get up and and walk off of the field. Um, I don't know if he knew where he was, [snorts]
what planet he's on, what day of the week it is. I hope that uh >> Yeah, Deontay Wilder, which uh the Brown
or the bronze bomber, he knocked a guy out one time where the guy fell down, but he still had his hands up and and he
was like jabbing. >> It's weird, isn't it? >> Oh, it's so strange. >> It's strange to see that.
>> It's almost like they're sleepwalking. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, there has been a
several updates on a case that we covered back well, we covered this in May of 2017 and episodes 107 and 108.
We're talking about the missing Welch girls case. So, I I'm going to read a couple of
articles here, Captain. We'll we'll chat about these and you have an update for us as well. This first one is from Fox
23 News out of Tulsa, Oklahoma. Defense attorneys for Ronnie Busk Busk, that's how I'm going to go with
it. Ronnie Buusic have requested more time to complete a mental compet competency evaluation on their client.
He is facing charges related to the 1999 disappearance of Ashley Freeman and Laura Bible. Buk appeared in court on
Friday. Now, this was not last Friday. It was Friday, September 27th for a status update on his evaluation, which
has been approved by a judge. His attorney says she has selected an expert to do the evaluation. She says that
Buick was shot in the head in 1978, which may have caused brain trauma. Buick has previously said he can't
remember anything about the girls murders or where their bodies are due to past drug use. So, he's getting rewarded
for past drug use. The trial will not move forward until the evaluation is complete. Defense attorney Gretchen
Mosley said she has not set a date for the evaluation. Prosecutors say it would be inappropriate for them to try and
negotiate or move forward until they know whether Buick has the competency to stand trial or be prosecuted. The
defense is bringing their own expert. Prosecutors can bring in their expert, their own expert as well if they're not
satisfied with the results of the first evaluation. Now, while he's in court, remember this case is where she was um
uh sorry, Lorie Bible was staying the night at Ashley Freeman's home. >> Yeah. >> And Ashley Freeman's parents were
killed. The home that they lived in was set on fire. And the two girls were in their early teens. What were they about
15, 16? And they were missing. >> Yeah. Well, they must have been 16 because I remember Ashley Freeman had a
vehicle. They were missing and have been missing ever since then since 1999. Now,
in 2018, there was a huge break in the case. Apparently, what was going on here, Captain, was
there were several people that kind of knew what happened. There was like, I don't know, 12 or or 13 people that kind
of knew what happened. They out of fear never spoke to the police. There were three men that are believed
to have abducted the two girls. The the general story is this that they they went to the Freeman home with the
intention of collecting on a drug debt that they had with Freeman's father. >> Okay. And once they were there, I don't
know the specifics because the problem we have here is two of the men, two of the suspects are dead. And this this
last guy that's left, this Ronnie Buick, he either, if we take him at his word, either doesn't know or remember anything
about this situation or he's pretending not to and he's not talking. >> Right. So, I don't know if some kind of
scuffle broke out or if the intention was to show up and kill Mr. Freeman. The result though we know is they killed the
parents and abducted the two girls. The reason why some people knew about this is so let me give you the names.
I'm not going to read this. I said I was going to read two articles but I can just sum it up for you here. Um, we have
Ronnie Buusic is one of the people. He's the one being accused and eventually he's going to go to trial if he's
considered competent to stand trial. But the other people we have is Dave Pennington and Phil Welch.
>> Mhm. Now, as said, those two guys are dead. Um, disturbingly, one of the big breaks in the case was Welch's
ex-girlfriend said that Welch decorated the walls of their trailer with missing posters
bearing the girl's faces after they vanished. He kept photos of the girls bound and gagged while lying on a bed in
a red leather briefcase. >> Yeah. These were Polaroid photos. >> Yeah. And she says that she she found these
Polaroids while he was in jail. Now he's in jail for for be for beating her up. So he was abusing this woman.
>> Yeah. >> She found him and unfortunately she was too afraid to come forward for all of
these years. And I mean rightfully so. I I I wish it would have >> This guy's a [ __ ] stain.
>> Yeah. I wish there would have been a break sooner in the case. But, you know,
she says >> it's better late than never, though. >> She says that uh she was told by him, by
Phil Welch, that if you tell anybody about this, you're going to end up in a pit like those two girls. So, there was
some interesting things that I came across when I was diving into all the updates. But these
are these are the sick bastards that were bragging about what they did to these girls at like parties and stuff.
>> Correct. Correct. And so we were right in our assessment of the case when we when we covered it. We both suspected
that the perpetrator of the murders and the kidnapping would would be more than one person. So we were right in that
sense. We did name some potential suspects who have been named in the public before.
None of these guys' names were were on our radar right at the time. Now, the rumor is that the two girls are in a pit
that their remains would be in a pit in Pitcher. I'm going to try to say that right. Pitcher, Oklahoma. This would be
about a 30 minute drive from the Welch area. >> Yeah, I want to say possibly a pit, but
they abandoned mine possibly. >> Mhm. So, I'm sure they're looking for them and and looking for leads for more
information there. Well, this guy I I don't see how he does not go to prison for this. It seems pretty obvious if
they can if they can put if they can show pictures of these two missing girls. And then they have this whole
theory where we have witnesses that are going to come forward and going to testify that that this man along with
these two dead men were telling people what they did and it was known what they did. I don't see how he doesn't go to
prison. I guess if he's considered mentally unstable that he would he would go elsewhere, but
I suspect that that it's kind of convenient that he doesn't remember anything. Um, it's unc it's inconvenient
that he didn't die from that gunshot to the head back in 78. Um, maybe this whole thing would have been avoided.
But what's sad is we have we have Laura Bible's parents who have never recovered
her remains. They've never had, you know, a proper memorial service for their daughter. They've not been able to
lay her to rest, so to speak. >> Yeah. On a side note, it looks like uh HLN is going to come out with a show
called Hell in the Heartland. Um or maybe it already came out. It says it's what happens when you're reading stuff
live. Uh I guess it came out June 2nd, 2019. >> Okay. >> And it's a four-part series on this
case. >> Maybe they'll run it again once they figure out if this guy can stand trial
or not. >> Yeah. >> Unfortunately, it's been I mean, it's been 20 years and it doesn't sound like
a court date is set for for this guy yet. It sounds like we're going to have to get some more evaluations done and
then figure it out as we go. >> And it looks like the guy that hosted the show is going to be writing a book
that's going to come out uh in 2020 and that's called Hell in the Heartland: Murder, Meth, and the Case of Two
Missing Girls. Um there is, you know, I don't want to jump off subject too much, but I've been
reading a lot of stuff um with the deli murders with possible drug connections with the with the one
of the fathers and and again, it when you're studying these cases, when you're looking to these cases, you find so many
similarities. Mhm. >> Um, and just like with the case that we we covered, we're going to cover this
week, there's similarities in other cases that that that we've seen. >> And you said there was some Tyler Davis
stuff. >> Oh, yeah. Hold on. Uh, some Yeah. So, there was a press conference. There's not much. I mean,
other than we don't know anything. >> You know what's weird? I saw a U. >> Moving on. I'm just No, no, there's some
stuff. >> Well, real quick before you get into that, I did see >> What day was it?
>> They had a little Tyler Davis blip on the >> Well, there's a news. Yeah, there was a
press conference Thursday. >> Here we go. On Monday, detectives asking for tips in
the case of Lache Dunie, who was a young woman who was last seen near Ohio State's campus back in January of 2018.
And just today on the case of Tyler Davis, last seen in the East area back in February. Our Haley Nelson talked to
another family tonight, still searching. >> Yeah, that was from uh Friday's news.
>> Yeah, so on Thursday there was a press conference at 3. Um, now I've talked to
the main detective on this. It was the case was then transferred. Normally with a missing person case, once they kind of
run out of leads, they transfer the case. That then was again transferred. Uh, now this detectives has been on the
case for about 3 months. So, it could have been uh transferred to like a group of detectives. That makes any sense?
Like maybe you have a lead on it, but then you get transferred. So, um, you know, not a lot of stuff. They did play
the clip of him, um, which what was so interesting about the press conference was to talk to the
lead detective weeks ago and him saying, you know, we have audio clips of Tyler after supposedly
the phone went dead. >> Mhm. >> And he's talking to Google. So, the fact that your your your smartphone can keep
that and store that somehow is pretty interesting. So, they k they played this clip and I don't know why they played
the clip, but it was him um Tyler's voice and and Tyler saying uh take me to East Suites.
So, but what the detective said was this this shows somebody that is trying to get back to their hotel,
>> right? It's not somebody that's trying to flee the area and and disappear into
thin air and leave his family hanging, >> right? This is somebody that wants to get home. The the thing that I thought
was interesting, they kept on asking them, uh, are you following the the podcast and I kept on saying just say
our name, you know, because we we interviewed, uh, >> well, I think there's another one that's
>> Britney. Yeah, I think there's one that's now just focusing on >> devoted to the Tyler Davis case. Yeah.
>> And uh you know, >> I'm not certain. [laughter] >> I couldn't find it. I couldn't find
>> Yeah. If somebody goes looking for it, they can't find it. Don't blame me. I just That's the rumor I heard. I've not
actually seen it or or listen to it. >> Yeah. And I mean, there was a statement from Britney just saying that, you know,
it's been a long time and our family deserves answers. And and you know, talking to her back at back then, I
mean, it was difficult because of how much time has passed and now over 200 I believe 220ome days now he's been
missing. That's a long time. So, um, but the other frustrating thing I think about the the report was they're talking
about the GPS. Uh, and so they were showing this map, but there's this swamp land and then it
shows the detective, you know, kind of waste deep in this little swamp area, >> right?
>> And it seems like the GPS tracks him to this location and they haven't fully searched this swamp area. And there's a
part of you that just wants to go, why are you having a press conference? You should be searching the swamp area. If
the GPS information is taking you to that spot or close to that spot and you're telling me that there's a water
that's waste high that's, you know, acres long, that needs to be checked. Well, hope hopefully
if you know by doing the press conference, we get somebody that can come forward and that has an expertise
in searching that type of land and maybe they can come in and offer their their services to help out in this case. What
you said he Davis said he was searching for directions to the sweets at Eastston
or East Suites. What did what did you say? >> Yeah. So he was basically talking to
Google and Tyler was and saying um take me to East Suites, >> which is weird cuz when you when you say
that nothing jumps in my mind as like that even existing. Right. >> Right. But he might again he was
intoxicated. He might not have known what the place was called. There's >> also take me is kind of a weird thing
[laughter] >> because to me that's something that you would say to a driver >> and not
>> Yeah, that's not something >> not your phone, >> right? >> That's something you would say to
somebody else, >> but again, you're um >> he's believed to be intoxicated, >> highly intoxicated and and you know, but
but just because you went out drinking doesn't mean you should disappear. But they don't say in the press conference
that his phone or that Google provided him with any type of directions that we know of. It could they could
have, but we we are unaware because like >> on my map app, >> you know, I I so many times on this show
say Google Maps and I rarely ever use actual Google Maps. I it's usually just the app that's on one of my devices or
the map on my computer. >> But um it's kind of like when you say Kleenex, but it's really just a tissue.
You know that give me a Kleenex. Um, so when I type in a search for just something as broad or vague as Eastn
Suites, I get Spring Hill Suites, Town Place Suites, Woodpring Suites, Comfort Suites, Holiday and Express in Suites,
and Hampton Inn and Suites and Columbus. This is all in the roughly in the eastern area, what we would call the
eastern area. the all these. So, we got six different things that would pull up.
Five of them are within one mile of each other. You almost wonder like if his phone
started giving him directions if he's I mean if he's just walking to the wrong places.
>> Yeah, possibly >> because the Hilton where he was staying does not come up in my search when I
just type in East Suites or say Eastn Suites, >> right? Yeah, it's a it's a it's tricky,
but like I said, it seems to me when they were talking that seems like they have some direction of what where, you
know, they can follow him as far as GPS goes. And anytime you have the a wooded area that's also
water up to your waist, >> he's probably >> to me that's, you know, that's the answer that should be searched. and and
if it's about uh if if it's um I mean they've done a lot of searching in that area and if it's about money or whatever
I'm sure that they could get the community to to raise that money very quickly to try to get answers
>> uh in this case cuz what a sad thing you know seems to be this great guy good friend
to many um and a husband and a great father and just goes missing >> [music]

Missing Welsh Girls & Tyler Davis /// Off The Record OTR: Episode 76 Released: 10-7-2019

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The episode discusses the Browns game, Mason Rudolph's injury, and updates on the missing Welch girls case.

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Browns Football Monday. Excitement builds for a fun evening of football, with a mix of team loyalties.
Mason Rudolph's Knockout. A terrifying moment in football as Mason Rudolph gets knocked out during a game.
Missing Welch Girls Case Update. New developments in the case of the missing Welch girls from 1999 raise chilling questions.

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