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[Music] [Music] it's been over 16 years gone by since The Disappearance of 24-year-old Kyle
Flashman he went missing Friday morning November 9th in the last time that we have confirmation that Kyle is Alive and
Well is when he is seen on security camera TV outside of the Buckhead Saloon in uptown Charlotte he's leaving he
appears to be leaving this is at 2:20 a.m. and we now know that he left his debit card and jacket behind at the bar
as we said in part one this is when all of the mysterious stuff everything in question starts to take place right at
this 2:20 a.m. mark one thing we did discuss in part one is this verbal what I've seen described
as a mild verbal altercation between Kyle while he's at the bar and a male or two or possibly three that were not
happy with him dancing with a female briefly at the book are what we do know about those persons and we said that we
belied that it is four people that were all involved in this mild verbal altercation as it's described we believe
it's four people because there is a report out there that says that police have interviewed those four
people and we don't know the details of what went on that night between them we don't know the details of the questions
that police asked these individuals but the report is that they've been interviewed and they don't
seem to be persons of great interest to law enforcement regarding Kyle's disappearance but what I will say here
Captain is preach I can't say that they had anything to do with what happened to
Kyle his family says they believe he was murdered his friends say they believe that he was killed that night that
somebody is responsible for killing him right they know much more about this case than we know and if that's what
they are willing to tell the public that seems to me unfortunate as it is the most likely
possibility so now we have to if we're going to go down that road and we're going to believe his family and his
friends and his dad his dad is very vocal about this he says look I I wish that the Charlotte mecklinburg Police
Department would be more forthcoming with information to me their response is when we get something new we do inform
the family so maybe it's as simple as they've not gotten anything new but his dad says they've not shared a lot of
information with us he's not convinced that they took this thing very seriously for the first couple of weeks we do know
that the family took it seriously right from Jump Street because they hire a private investigator they get can9
search dogs involved they have volunteers that are searching for Kyle volunteers handing out missing persons
Flyers right out the gate a lot of this stuff the the family had to pay for they paid for a lot of
this out of their own pocket so they jump into action right away dad says tells the media several
times they've not they've not been very forthcoming it does appear that there has been a good amount of work behind
the scenes on Kyle's Case by the police department but one thing his dad says is
at some point it was homicide investigators that were investigating Kyle's case so his dad says something
made it go from a missing person's investigation to a homicide investigation to a homicide
investigation it makes no sense to me why law enforcement wouldn't explain that better to the family yes yes and
and again I we we we could sit here and spin our tires all day and night on on why that has been what it is we we just
don't know like unfortunately like the family we don't know that now for me I want to go down that road as for
unfortunate as it is I want to go down that road because to be honest with you Captain when I first started looking
into this I'm like this is one of those weird scenarios where this young man may
have just been freezing his ass off he's drunk he's tired look it happens people
crawl into a place and decide to take a nap or crawl into a place hoping to get warm
MH and succumb to the elements I really thought that's what we were probably looking at here I couldn't
I I couldn't move past the idea that he had left his jacket there and I'm seeing
reports that it would have been 30 32 degrees at that time yeah my problem with that theory though is it's not a
rural area and so there'd be plenty of places where he could go into right right there there
was a the one part place of concern was there was a heavy construction project going on in the in
an area that was in walking distance to where he was last seen so there's been some concern
that you know did he did he expire there and nobody is responsible for his death
and and somehow he got got lost in the Lost in the construction yeah it wasn't didn't they have cadaver dogs go to that
site yeah they so they had search and rescue dogs that were brought in again they were brought in by the family and
they took them to this area that those dogs also went to a nearby park what I'm saying to you and everybody else out
there in listener land it was only after hearing the family and friends and then
police as well say we don't think he had any reason to walk away reading their words listen to their words dad
Uncle best friend yeah very quickly convinced me if they're all saying murder that's what it's got to be so
that's where I'm at now with looking at this case and if if going down that road it seems to me like
we only have a few a handful of possibilities that something happened some something directly related to one of
these locations has everything to do with his murder could be the bar we know he was there could be fuel Pizza a lot
of people have a lot of speculation and suspicions about fuel Pizza there was the park that
we mentioned with the search and rescue dogs can we dive more into the speculation on the pizza shop I mean
what what would the motive be well so what is also a little bit fast fascinating about this
case is if you're going to say that it was somebody that he may have had some brief interaction with or a random
person MH that attempted to do something to Kyle and it ends in Murder the interesting part to me is the time frame
that we're talking about here because what do we know that's happening all at the same time right around the the same
time that Kyle is last seen at 2:20 a.m. we know that all of those bars are closing yeah the pizza shop is closing
at 2:30 so right at 2:30 what you have then going on in those streets at the time when this kid goes missing is you
have the streets are filled with people that were either in those establishments
as patrons or were working in those establishments all leaving and moving about in this area all at the same time
between 2:20 a.m. and 4 a.m. when his phone no longer is working or on or or what have you right so the speculation
with the fuel Pizza Kyle's family says look we we don't know how much weight the investigators law
enforcement investigators put into looking at this pizza place and the surrounding businesses of that Buckhead
Saloon of course police investigators are not may not be of the type to tell them but we do know that their private
investigator says that that's where I would have started I would have I would have you canvas the area you go there
and you check with all the surrounding businesses well now you find out that he he may have gone into this pizza place
he may have ordered some pizza according to one employee he did yeah and that's backed up because the order seems like
something Kyle would have ordered at least to Kyle's father correct private investigator runs background checks on
the individuals that were working there that night as well as persons that they he says Associates of but I'm guessing
he would have had to have known the associates and what would be the easiest thing to know them by is anybody that
has a long-term relationship be it a a roommate a girlfriend boyfriend somebody that is easy to determine from an
outsider that this is an associate of this person so he runs background checks on a lot of these individuals and what
he is seeing is some of them have police records some of them have have violence
A History of Violence weapons charges uh assaults things of that nature and so one piece
of speculation regarding fuel Pizza is did somebody from the pizza shop that night see an
opportunity Kyle's inebriated maybe he's got some cash on him he looks he's looks
like a young professional did they see an opportunity to to Rob him or take things off of him I was looking to see
you know was was he the type to wear jewelry it doesn't appear that that he was you know some people uh wear
expensive watches and what have you to me if if somebody said what does Kyle look like I'd say you know Andy dwire
from Parkson wreck that's funny that's I was thinking Andy DWI as well and the thin version of Andy
DWI not the chubby lovable Andy dwire the one of the things that the private investigator figured out as well is that
one at least one or more of the individuals that worked at fuel Pizza lived in the direction of where the dogs
took them well that's fishy fish sticks when the dogs were we have to guess that
they were following yeah Kyle sent again they can't they can't talk so that complicates things yeah it always
surprises me that the police use nonverbal dogs instead of verbal dogs he says that he finds that to be very
interesting and there there have been individuals that have interviewed some of these people and don't think that
some of these guys are on the up and up the father his father said something that I I found rather intriguing K's
father dick says look a couple of these guys they they're repeat offenders they they they have a rapture sheet mhm but
after my son goes missing all of a sudden they're not such bad guys they don't they don't get in trouble for
anything he said that that somebody explained to him that that doesn't seem to fit their pattern of their behavior
for their life and their lifestyle so what great thing changed for them to change who they are or at
least how they operate and live their lives yeah seems like we're grasping at straws what we do know too Captain is
this is from law enforcement now we don't know who the individual is but it looks like at some
point a homicide investigator traveled to talk to somebody that is somehow connected to
fuel Pizza that at the time of the interview was living in prison and interviewed
that individual about Kyle being missing that seems like to me if that detective
traveled look these departments they they they run on a budget MH just like every other business out there they
don't have a lot of these departments do not have money to burn so if it cost labor hours and travel expenses for this
homicide detective some Reports say two homicide detectives to go to a a prison to travel out of the area and go to a
prison to interview this person there must have been some you got to prove to the boss look there's there's enough
meat on the bone here that we need to talk to that we need to sit down and officially interview this
individual you have to justify the cost and the hour spent to do so there had to
be something there this to me that seems like a little more than a hunch right you go and knock on a door with a hunch
you get permission from the boss to travel and use the Department's money to interview somebody that that you can't
just go and knock on their door okay answer me this ridle me this Batman we have footage of him in the bar
we have him we have footage of him heading to the pizza shop do we have footage of him inside the pizza shop and
do we have footage of him leaving the pizza shop well that's the thing that it we have footage of him walking in the
direction of the pizza shop the the problem then becomes we can't 100% put him in the pizza shop
other than the person that worked there saying yeah I saw Kyle come in that night around this time right before
closing right and remember one of those reports is saying is that is an individual saying I saw him come in but
I I don't recall seeing him leave so let's go through this this pizza shop just a little bit more so what we do
know about the pizza shop is that they would have been closing shortly after it's believed that Kyle was there inside
the shop yeah this is making me hungry we do know that he places approximately nine calls from his cellular phone
between 219 when he first attempts to call his sister from the bar to 329 a.m. mhm now if we are to believe
those experts those law enforcement people that say look this activity on his phone we think that he's he might
potentially be in a high distress level at this point then we have to believe that that that high dist that high
distress level starts happening at this would all be shortly after it's believed that he was at the
pizza shop so 2:42 a.m. to 3:29 a.m. 45 46 47 minutes where I go with this if we
if we forced to go down this road of everybody believes that he was killed it's kind of just weird to me that
it's a true crime show and you feel like we're being forced to talk about a missing person case might be a homicide
case then something had to happen at one of these key points here now there there's a park so this park comes into
play because the dogs do go to the park the private investigator says that it's a possibility we think he may have gone
to the park we don't know why it was within walking distance it's not a safe area but we think that he went into the
park and either chose to leave or something happened in the park and then he he was moved well they were saying
because I don't know this area well but there's a lot of parts in in Columbus Ohio that well you got a nice stadium
for for a baseball team or or a soccer club and a couple blocks away is not a great area right and they're saying in
this area there's a lot of drugs and a lot of gangs the the park is weird too because the it's one report out there is
that a homeless person at some point and I want to be clear by saying that at some point I do not have a date for this
m reported to law enforcement that they had witnessed Kyle being murdered being killed in the Park yeah the problem also
with all this stuff is these these homeless camps or whatever you want to call them they're they're a problem cuz
you know we have individuals that whether it's mental issues or drug addiction or just down on their
luck you know here another missing person case the the Riley strand case now they believe that he made it to uh
to a homeless park or or again whatever I don't know what you want to call them but it just baffles me that we live in
America and we're going to spend millions of on Wars but we can't just take care of some people down on their
luck here and and and do something about this problem because it's becoming a problem everywhere and my rants over and
never listen to me cuz I don't know what I'm talking about if this report is correct that this information was
reported by a homeless individual to law enforcement what we do know is it was at least years ago so it
doesn't appear that this information led to anything and remember we said early in part one that today the reward is up
to $50,000 is it just as simple as some individual came forward pretending to have information that they didn't really
have hoping to catch some of that reward right and to me it seems like if this was a random attack in the park why W
they just leave him in the park exactly that would seem to make the most sense and then and the other thing though too
circling back to the interview with the individual that was in prison again they must have had something there
but if let's say they did have something right that they had somebody snitching on somebody or they had what they
thought was good information good enough information to point to who did this and
kind of what happened to Kyle that night and who's responsible and that's why we
need to go to this prison and talk to this individual either they're the person responsible or they know intimate
knowledge of what happened to Kyle that night mhm part of me also wonders like are we looking at a situation where this
is a a no body situation right like like you said had he been killed by A Perfect
Stranger In the Park you just leave him there you leave the victim there so I have to wonder
there there are cases that we know that never make it to trial or never make it to the point of arresting someone simply
because they don't have a body they can't prove that that homicide even took place like we don't we don't even have a
large amount of Kyle's blood somewhere so this pizza shop did have a place where people could eat inside and then
uh I believe they had a patio as well and I want to say something I'm not trying to be
funny I know this going to sound like a funny story but I went to a Subway this is a couple months ago and it was
roughly around closing time and I went in there there's nobody in the shop there's no line the guy asked me what I
want I start placing my order I have more than one sub that he has to make he gets his level of irritation went from
0o to 10 very quickly I wasn't like joking around with him I was just he asked me what I wanted I told him what I
wanted by the time he is like rolling up my subs and putting them in the bag he asks and I think he asked just by
reflex hey is there anything else you want and then he kind of looked at me funny as if like I don't know why I just
asked you that because I don't want to get you anything else and it was just this very strange interaction where I
actually wanted some cookies if I if I go to Subway I get my three cookies I didn't order the cookies
because that's how irritated the guy seemed and and it seemed as like I said once I placed my order and then I plac
the second order every time I'm placing another item to the list the more annoyed he got to the point like I
said and I'm a I'm a pretty big dude I was lit literally literally concerned that if I would have
ordered something else that there might be a confrontation and I know that sounds very strange but
that's how I felt no I think that plays here so the reason why I think that plays
here is remember we said in part one that the reports are that Kyle's device called a business that he was at earlier
MH and we found it to be very strange that they tell us all the other persons and places that he calls but they leave
that one out now there is a report out there of of the private investigator hired by the family that and I don't
know if that report is meant to say that the private investigator believes or it is fact that Kyle called
the Buckhead Saloon after he had left the Buckhead Saloon now what I can say is the private investigator would know
right they have the the call records mhm so under that part here's how this Theory
goes that Kyle did call the Buckhead Saloon after leaving which would stand to make some sense seeing how he
discovered that he this would be after if he stopped at the pizza place this is after that so like you pointed out th
this is when he's like oh realizing I left my debit card oh I probably left my oh I did leave my jacket too I'm going
to give him a quick call because I'm going to head back there and pick up my stuff it's around closing time time the
reason why your story plays here is there are some people that believe that there's a chance that he made it back to
that bar right and that something went down now it could he have bumped into some people that he got into an
altercation with before that we do know about or some people that he gave a nasty look to before earlier that night
that we don't know about along the way that's a possibility could he have showed up at the bar banged on the door
and demanded to come in and get his belongings in they they turned them away and something happened there there are
people online that have have stated that they've been at that bar and something goes down between them and a bouncer or
two and I don't want to get into the details of those because I don't know I don't know who these people are that are
reporting this online and if if their stories are true but in its simplest form the way that these people have
reported this is you know I I damn near got knocked unconscious by a a bouncer there and when I called the police all
of a sudden the person that that beat me up is no longer there and the other bouncers are yeah we don't know who that
was right turning turning it from a situation where here's a person that we know is responsible for assaulting me
but the other bouncers can have his back and say yeah that was some random guy that was in here earlier and he took off
after he beat up this poor guy and also my problem with this is we have him on footage at the bar on footage leaving
the bar wouldn't we have some footage of him going back to the bar cuz I'm assuming he would have went back the
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mates thanks for telling your mother Colonel you can still dance if you want to and I want to but not until we get
through some of the details here so we we do know remember we talked about the K9 Cent tracing team being brought in M
this would would have been days after his disappearance so we do have to keep that in mind the basic report here is
that these dogs were deployed it was two blood hounds that were deployed at separate times but
what's interesting about these two dogs deployed at different times Captain is they both took the same route so they go
to the fuel Pizza MH then down 6th Street down North brever Street there's been a lot of discussion about Kyle
walking down North David Street and so the thing is that seems to be confusing part of the story because
that's not the route that the dogs took now remember the private investigator said that the dogs did take them to the
park and then back out of the park so they believe that Kyle at some point may have went in there and then left
willingly or unwillingly well law enforcement needs to decide whether these dogs whether they believe what the
information the dogs are giving them is correct but that's the basic route of the dogs now the the dogs do take them
to this edgeline construction s site now today I believe it's a a very large apartment
building but this was being constructed at the time this construction area is important
as well because there are people that believe that he may be buried there and in one news article his father
says that we believe that he's there that's where we believe that he he is now this case is so fascinating to me
because there's so many similarities to the Brian schaer case the reports are that they have asked if they could
search and the property owners had said under no circumstances will you be searching our property well I don't like
that at all if he's under the building it may be way too late for any of that anyway yeah it's [ __ ] up but that's
what the dog information is telling us per the private investigator and per some of the
words uh that his father dick fleshman has said to some different news outlets but it doesn't
have to mean that something happened by somebody at the the fuel pizza because his father also say some other
interesting things and and I know I'm putting a lot of weight into what is at the end of the day pure
speculation but again his father knows him better than any of us do yeah and has been privy to certain bits of
information that we we don't have any knowledge of that would be the investigation uncovered by the private
investigator and some of the communications from the police department and one statement that I
found really curious from dick fleschman is him saying that I don't think my son knew
how late it was and what he meant by that is that he didn't get up he he questions did his son get up from the
bar and leave because he was hungry to go down and grab a couple slices and come back that he didn't accidentally
leave his debit card in his jacket that he intended to come back and retrieve them he just didn't realize it was so
close to closing time which would make some sense because he's also calling people very late at night but if he
thought it was a couple hours earlier then it's not that late mhm but you got to applaud his father and his family I
mean oh they pulled out all the stops they've done everything they possibly could to try to find him the private
investigator we do know collected Kyle's jacket and debit card from the bar uh and and did talk with everybody at the
bar he said that everybody seemed Cooperative I want to give a well I was going to say I want to give a shout out
but I failed to collect this person's name so way to go I let's give a shout out week in a row fired let's
give a shout out to the ghost riter okay so I pulled this off of Reddit yes this
individual has a very interesting indepth write up on Kyle's disappearance and this person says that they spoke so
here straight from their post I recently spoke to the general manager of the Buckhead Saloon the general manager
during the time of Kyle's disappearance this poster says that the general manager said that people came by
Buckhead Saloon on the day following Kyle's disappearance he believes that it was Kyle's sister who first came by but
was not certain remember I had I had was wondering if we know that Kyle's sister
lives in this area or lived in this area at some point I wondered if she lived in
the area when he went missing so it would make it would stand to reason that she would be the first one if she's
closest in proximity yeah I know that place I've been there a bunch of times so upon realizing that Kyle is
missing according to this report the general manager pulled video footage from the prior evening in this footage
he remembers seeing Kyle leaving the saloon and dancing on the dance floor earlier that evening the general manager
said he was working that night but had no interaction with Kyle I asked the general manager what his reaction was
when he initially saw the footage of Kyle exiting the saloon he said he initially noted Kyle was alone appeared
to be intoxicated and that Kyle seemed confused or as if he was looking for someone the general manager of the
saloon was friends with upper management at the Holiday Inn located at Charlotte
City Center so this is 230 North College Street this person is saying that the general manager told them that he went
down to that Holiday Inn and asked them to pull their video footage as well because and he says that the
general manager says that that he remembers them as willing to show them their security footage but must not have
seen anything on it so the reason why we're going to this from this poster here what what somebody post on on
Reddit is they're talking about that somebody is speculating is there a chance that Kyle may have gone to an
Afterparty at the holiday in that is right by the saloon the people that work there say that it's it's regular it's
not uncommon for people that even live just out of the metropolitan area to book a room for the night after
partying Uptown for the whole night because they don't want to have to drive they don't want have to drink and drive
MH so there is a lot of speculation here that they're none of his friends are saying that they were aware of him
attempting to go to an Afterparty but we don't know what transpired 100% after the friends leave one thing I do find
fascinating about this case as well is this is not a case where I have any suspicions of the people that were with
him and hanging out that night his friends old Clint Flor has because normally we would right Captain would be
like well what are we sure yeah that that so and so's story is correct are we sure that this person is saying
everything that they know yeah question why the friend won't take a polygraph test you son of a [ __ ] talk about the
Tyler Davis case right missing in Columbus we have a there's a lot of speculation about his his wife his
friend yeah if she's telling the truth or or if he's telling the people that were with him that night in this
situation when I hear me and my wife left and returned to our home me and my girlfriend left and we returned to our
home and we know that they're not seen on the surveillance footage with him when when Kyle's leaving that to me
seems to tell me that those people are out but you still shouldn't leave your friend somewhere drunk by himself and I
believe there's a Facebook page for Kyle's case trying to help find information that was set up almost
immediately and this was set up by one of his friends that was there that night with him well again we have the
surveillance footage right of people leaving yes so if somebody came back you'd think law enforcement would go
well that's fishy wow that that doesn't make a lot of sense mhm but again you just don't know how and it's just such a
shame that law enforcement doesn't take these serious ious right away because most of these people that
are reported missing within 24 hours they're getting calls and getting confirmation that the person's not
missing anymore I also wonder if and if if and potentially how much information has been held back from
the public right are there things that I hope I hope that there are things that the investigators know that we just
simply don't know because as you can tell as your earballs are telling you 10 15 times throughout this these two
podcasts there's a lot of question marks here there's a lot that the colonel and
the captain just don't know in this case because were dumb [ __ ] idiots because
there's a lot of question marks here now to to add a little more color to what's
going on here that holiday in while that's just pure speculation we should point out that it is very nearby fuel
pizza so if the camera footage is telling us that he's walking in the direction of fuel Pizza it also means
that he's walking in the direction of the holiday in mhm well with a lot of these missing person
cases we have to figure out when was the last time that anybody saw him mhm and so a lot of people just assume well it's
that night but not in this case no cuz this one's weird we get a taxi driver that claims to we should be clear here
on this because I you see some of these reports and and the reports are that the
taxi driver claims to have seen Kyle walking down North Davidson street by himself and this could be what is
unclear to me Captain is the report says 4 days later well does that mean that the taxi driver reported it 4 days later
or that he saw Kyle four days later right now you do a little more digging and the first thing that you find out
right away is regardless of when he spotted Kyle you quickly realize this Taxi Driver never says I saw Kyle
Flashman on North Davidson Street walking by himself he says I saw someone that is that looked to be like or
possibly could have been Kyle Flashman right because we're assuming that this Taxi Driver doesn't know him personally
correct and so and so the taxi driver's statement is I can't say it was Kyle but
I can't rule out that it wasn't Kyle the person looked a lot like Kyle now the private investigator adds a little his
opinion to this saying that he thinks it's highly doubtful that it was Kyle he doesn't doubt that the taxi driver saw
someone just does not believe that it is Kyle and then we get this strange statement from a resident who
lived nearby okay so going by the name of Mary and and she was this person was interviewed on camera at one point not
not uh showing her face they interviewed her you know how sometimes it to keep a
person Anonymous you might just get a camera view of them from the waist down or just from or from the back yeah or
they just just show us their butt she was interviewed so you could hear her words and know that it was her talking
but her face was not shown on camera so this person that they are calling Mary could be her real name I don't know I
don't think it was she's a resident lives nearby she reports of suspicious what she calls suspicious activity at the
edgeline construction site saying that she lived by the edgeline flats construction site this is the place
where some people speculate that Kyle may be buried under and years back WBTV Channel 3 interviewed this individual
the key here Captain is a a couple of bits of information she submitted a tip to the police department stating that
there was a sudden foul odor at the construction site beside her home and that she had witnessed two men and a red
truck at this construction site in the middle of the night this all seems very suspicious it seems to go along with
what the dogs some of the information we get from the dogs it seems to go along with a lot of the speculation from the
family and the private investigator where this story takes a bit of a Twist where it seems maybe not
everything is on the up and up part of the story is Mary says I got off work at 11:00 p.m. that night and I it was
regular for me to go sit on my front porch when it was nice outside everybody has a different description of the
weather and what is nice and what is not nice but as we stated earlier it's reported that it was would have been
about 30° maybe 32° at the time that Kyle was last seen I like the cold but I would I would wager
that most people wouldn't call that nice out that night you know that that it was
a nice night out that night so I went and sat on the front porch anyway her statement is she remembers seeing a red
truck and two men at the construction site around 3:00 a.m. so this is in that very critical window of time that we're
concerned about she believes that the two men were either younger or middleaged the men were both
Caucasian she said that the men were talking for a long time standing behind the truck she never says to have seen
Kyle or somebody that looked to be like Kyle just that there was this foul odor that came from the construction
site and that she saw these two individuals that she cannot identify and this red truck if I'm law
enforcement I'm first looking at the individuals he had a confrontation with and going does any of those guys own a
redu truck do anybody they know own a red truck that they could have borrowed the truck does anybody that worked at
the pizza shop do do they own a red truck right but it It's just tough because you'd like to say that the
police did all they could in this case but I I don't think they did well if they did they were late to get or if
they did or if they did they they uh not sharing that information with us so she
says that this was of note to her so kudos to his family for spreading the word and conducting searches in this
area because that's how she becomes aware right that's how everybody becomes aware that there hey there's a missing
adult male that was last seen in this area and she says that this her seeing these two guys in the red truck seemed
of importance to her to the point of reporting it not just because of that foul odor but more important but she
also says because she had been out on her front porch many nights during the construction process and she never
remembers ever seeing anybody out there at that time of night prior to or after so we said all that I've been
honking for too long here Captain honk honk honk we've gone round and round with a lot of speculation as we said at
the very start of of episode one of this case that everything's in question our mystery starts at 220
a.m. do you have anything that garage task force gut check do you have anything that you think what do you
think happened that night I don't know if law enforcement did their due diligence but at some point they started
investigating this as a homicide and not a missing person case so to me that's pointing us into the direction that
Kyle's not coming home but what happened I couldn't tell you you and it's hard to dismiss the
fact that he had this confrontation I'd like to know the whereabouts of these individuals were
they able to track these individuals and again then we have all these rumors about the pizza shop and
then right around the corner is this construction site and I think when you have so many
rumors you know where there's smoke there's fire so some kind of homicide but I I
don't think the motive is clear this is this just a difficult case to me it seems
like the most likely thing is that he just ran into the wrong person that night and they're just somebody that has
no [ __ ] to give well and I'm I'm right there with you I think that that's probably what happened I have to go with
what the family is telling us their beliefs are that that he was killed and his dad is right in saying that look at
some point the homicide Squad is investigating my son's case and I think that whatever happened
to him there's a there is high potential that the person did not intend to kill him but without having more information
and not being able to locate Kyle it's too difficult to say but I I feel like unless
there's some very random situation where he gets into a a taxi cab and and it's it's Captain psychopath driving the
vehicle and all of a sudden he's he's frightened out of his mind and and randomly hitting buttons on his phone or
some guys pull him into a car and start moving him I I really think that the whatever happened to him involves one of
the locations that we talked about at length in these two episodes the bar the pizza place the park or that
construction site it it it's there's just too much that keeps taking us back to those different locations well I I
agree with you I think it's somebody well I'm going to be a tough guy I'm going to be a
bully I'm going to beat this guy up here's a here's an easy victim I I don't think somebody just saw this random
person and just went that guy I'm going to kill him Kyle is listed on name he is
missing person 2456 and there is a description of Kyle along with some pictures of him and it
we should note that according to namus they have his dental records as well there is a help find Kyle Flashman
Facebook page with about 5,000 members I I believe this number was significantly
higher back in 2007 and 8 this was set up by his good friend I believe it was his onetime roommate Dan that that set
up the Facebook page and and runs that page I do want to give a big shout out to the vanished podcast they covered the
story in 2021 and there's no shortage of information out there or people that have covered this case there's a lot of
news articles online about Kyle's disappearance and and what may have happened to him there's no shortage of
of speculation on Reddit but big shout out to Marissa Jones who does always does gang busters work on
missing persons cases in their stories from the vanish podcast because she was able to interview Kyle's father uh his
his good friend the the private investigator and there's information that can be gleaned from their words
that you don't get from these other news articles that you don't get from a three
or four minute news snippet so kudos to her and and if really if you want to learn if you if you want to extend
visiting this case that's the the place that I would point you and as said there's been no shortage of good news
articles over the years as well about this case we we truly wish Kyle's family the very best of luck in this regard and
and his friends who have helped to keep this story alive and and in in front of everybody's faces to
remind them that this this youngster is still missing and that this case isn't closed we hope that law enforcement can
get the right tip that they need and law enforcement says that if you have information this is where they would
point you remember there's still a $50,000 reward for information regarding the whereabouts of Kyle or what happened
to him on that night in 20 2007 and law enforcement encourages anyone with information to call their
Crim Stoppers tipline so submit that information to 704 3 34600 [Music] want to thank you so much for listening
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This week we feature a case that remains one of Charlotte, North Carolina’s best known unsolved mysteries. 24 year old Kyle Fleischmann was out with friends for a Thursday night celebration. The group ends up at the Buckhead Saloon in the Uptown area. Kyle’s friends start going home in the early morning hours of Friday, November 9, 2007. The cameras at the bar show Kyle walking out alone, coatless on a cold night. There is footage of Kyle walking at 2:20am. After that, everything is speculation. His movements that night are strange. His cellphone activity is unexplained and what happened to Kyle remains a mystery. Anyone with information about Kyle or that late night and early morning is asked to call the Crime Stoppers Tip Line 1-704-334-1600.

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Brief Summary

Kyle Flashman disappeared in 2007 after leaving a bar, with theories suggesting murder linked to nearby locations and witnesses.

Key points

The Disappearance of Kyle Flashman. Kyle went missing after a night out, leaving behind crucial evidence.
Mysterious Circumstances. Kyle's debit card and jacket were left behind at the bar, raising questions.
Family's Belief in Murder. Kyle's family and friends believe he was murdered, despite police findings.
Speculation Around Fuel Pizza. Questions arise about Kyle's potential interaction at a local pizza shop.
Police Investigation Insights. A homicide investigator interviewed a prisoner connected to the case.
Strange Subway Interaction. A man's order at Subway escalates his concern for his safety.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

His family believes he was murdered.

Discussion about Kyle's disappearance

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Tension

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