Keith Mann Jr. /// Part 2 /// 577 | Forensic Files

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crime [Music] for myself I have guilt feeling uh the thing that I think most about is not
being there to help Keith uh if something happened to him and if he did pull this car over here
um and he went with someone or whatever not being there to help him you don't know how much guilt I have not being
able to help him um as far as uh them polygraphing me or doing whatever they need to do no I don't have a problem
with it at all my motto is to find him I need to find him I'm I'm I'm almost 65 years old I've got health problems um I
want to find my son and I want to find him before I pass from this Earth so no I don't have a problem with him whatever
they want to do these new polygraphs are different than what I took before uh you're hooked up different they've use a
uh like a computer uh like a laptop I think is what it was and then put something under
your feet I don't remember doing that on the first one I took but they asked they
he just detective Laughlin the first one I took to ask a lot of questions yes or
Nos and this last one's the same way yes or no but there was all five questions that they ask us so uh he doesn't get
into what I did on the first one but uh these five questions they ask you if you
I think that if you have something to do with his disappearance or know something
it's going to show my name is John Laughlin I'm a detective with the witto Falls Police Department
crimes against persons unit I'm currently assigned to the Cold Case position uh which is how I got to know
Keith's case and his family and why we're talking today I've been with uh witw Falls this is my 26th year I've
been in the crimes against persons unit this is my 14th year in this unit so it's uh felony crimes against persons so
Robbery Homicide sexual assault drive by shoes unattended deaths things of those nature
uh those those kinds of cases are what we investigate um I am the only Cold Case Investigator that our agency has
and I am uh still required or part of my duties is to pull a week of on call in the Capers unit so whatever comes up
then uh capital murder or anything uh it kind of takes away of course the time needed to work on these cold cases
and uh this is a pretty volumous case Keith's case has been ongoing since the original report was
[Music] made there you heard it we have Keith's father Greg talking about the guilt that
he has experienced over the years after the loss of his son followed up by the current detective who is active on this
still unsolved case but again a very active not a cold case that is detective Laughlin with the Witchita Falls Police
Department explaining what it is that he does in the very difficult job that he has on the Cold Case squad for me here
Captain what I look at when I see this case and after the details that we've gone through it really boils down to two
points for me two points of interest for the colonel one being do we look at Chris and Michelle two people that we
know that were with Keith that night before he went missing maybe even one of the last people that seen him before he
went missing or do we look toward this quote unquote Meetup or this meeting that he had at some point that night
because what we have here sitting in front of us is the cold hard fact that we know that Keith did hang out with
Chris and Michelle that night we know that they went somewhere we know this because a we have Keith telling his
fiance on the phone after work that he was meeting up with some friends he was going out with some friends follow that
up by we have the surveillance footage that shows the three of them at the gas station Keith purchasing snacks using
the fiance's Fina credit card Chris purchasing beer for the three of them and then later we have Chris and
Michelle statements to police saying we dropped Keith off in front of his apartment in the parking lot at
approximately 11:45 p.m. on that night we did not see him enter his apartment but we saw him walking up the stairs to
his apartment apparently at some point during that evening Keith told Chris and Michelle that he was meeting up with
someone that he had to meet someone at 12:15 a.m. on May 11th and that is why he needed to
get home at a decent time so we have two points here of interest for me Captain either a we should be looking in the
direction of Chris and Michelle maybe they made up the meeting or B whoever he was meeting that night wherever they
were meeting that night whatever they were meeting about is responsible for Keith's disappearance I know Keith is a
younger guy but to me this is a very odd time to be meeting somebody up at 12:15 so when we take a look at the
situation after we know Keith to be missing there are some other points that are very interesting to me here as well
one the vehicle his vehicle that that he was driving that night which was later found in the church parking lot near his
family's home his parents' home approximately a mile away from his apartment that's a very interesting Ang
Le to this case the other interesting angle is his apartment and we said that the apartment was found locked by Carrie
the following day according to the notes I have Captain the deadbolt was locked so somebody would have had to use a key
from the outside of the apartment to lock that door we also found the beer cans on the countertop there were
clothes on the bathroom floor the bed had not been slept in this all according to the police reports we did ask the
detective about that area specifically and his answer was this that the apartment complex this was not a high
crime area back in 1997 and still is not a high crime area to this day so they do
not believe that anything happened to Keith in the parking lot going into his apartment or coming out of his apartment
that night police seem to be really honing in on the idea that whatever happened to Keith is
directly that there is a direct connection from Keith to somebody that he knew I agree with law enforcement
because one of his friends dropping him off didn't see anything or see anybody that was
suspicious it's a safe area but also the car being moved into a different location is it clear whether or not his
friends saw the car parked at his apartment before they left that's a really good question question
and that is one that we that's what I'm here for right that's one that we spoke to the detective about and they they did
not recall seeing the vehicle however the thing that's weird about that is it sounds to me like that was not a
question that was asked of them right now this case is 25 years old and they've been interviewed several times
over this time period so if that question wasn't asked back then it gets really dicey on them having memory of
seeing the vehicle that night or not later when they're interviewed years later well again it becomes more tricky
too because if you drop me off at my house you know what my vehicle is when he's driving multiple vehicles from the
dealership that you might not even they might not even known what vehicle to look for correct and the
other thing here too is I got to believe that Chris probably knew what kind of vehicle that Keith was driving just
because I could see that naturally coming up in conversation because they both worked at the dealership you know
he comes to pick him up in a Nissan Pathfinder from from the dealership Keith was driving the Mustang that may
have come up in conversation at some point during the evening but again you're hitting on something there I I
have a feeling that that vehicle must have been in that parking lot when Keith returned because where I'm kind of left
sitting is trying to figure out did Keith drive that vehicle and place it in that parking lot near his parents home
or did something happen to Keith and somebody else drove it and left it there what's really tricky here for me is
there would be a limited number of people that would know that Keith would use that parking space so that right
there would already shrink your suspect pull a bit but what doesn't make a lot of sense
to me is if I did something terrible to Keith clearly I'm trying to cover that that up his body and remains have been
so well concealed that nobody has found him for 25 years why would I place the vehicle in a
place that I know that's going to be found and associated with Keith unless I'm hoping that somebody locks on
to the idea that maybe Keith moved it there himself and that has a direct relation
to this meeting that was going to take place or possibly he's meeting some bad dudes and he doesn't want them knowing
where he lives so hey I'll meet you at this church and I think you might have something there Captain because his
parents seem to feel the same way that either somebody that knew he used to park there placed it there in a in some
weird way to try to throw the investigation off or like you said maybe Keith drove the
vehicle there himself he doesn't want these people to know where he lives for one reason or another and gets into
their vehicle goes off with them whatever happened to Keith happens later away from the vehicle but maybe he
leaves it there as some kind of signal to Mom and Dad that hey I I plac this vehicle here and I went off to do
something and you need to come looking for me we should also touch on one thing before we move Mo too far along here
today Captain one is that the all the things and facts that we know about after Keith disappeared so he
goes missing on that Sunday and it's all agreed upon by law enforcement and all involved that he's missing sometime
between 11:45 p.m. on that Saturday night and before 6:00 a.m. when his vehicle is first spotted in that parking
lot on Sunday morning later we would learn that Keith left approximately $100 in his savings
account and he did have paychecks coming from the vehicles that he sold leading up to the time of his disappearance so
he had money coming in those paychecks were never picked up we also know that he used his fiance's Fina credit card at
the gas station when he was with his friends during the evening before his disappearance but there has never been
any unaccounted for transactions on her account with that card since that night does that make you speculate that maybe
he was having some kind of money issues if he's using his girlfriend's credit card for a purchase he very well could
have had some money issues and that's something that we spoke to his parents and law enforcement about and we kind of
get a mixed bag of of answers here so the general thought is this he did have money coming in he was having success
selling vehicles at work but we have the idea that he didn't have any cash on hand because he asked for a gasoline
voucher and it's believed that he used that voucher to fill up the Mustangs gas tank on that Saturday evening we know
that he used the fina gas card to purchase some snacks at a gas station that Saturday
evening but he had money coming in the thing here though too is we say money problems but Keith didn't
have a whole lot of bills he didn't have a whole lot of obligations he didn't have a vehicle that he had to pay for
right cuz he's using the vehicles from the dealership his biggest expense was his new apartment which was
approximately about $500 a month so not a super Hefty rent on his apartment and he doesn't really have any other bills
remember he went to school on a scholarship so while he might have had a limited amount of money coming in he
also had a very limited amount of money going out and I don't know how his pay worked maybe it was one of those
situations where he's getting a very low dollar an hour wage and then Commission
on top or maybe he's just commission and those things you know maybe only and those types of jobs sometimes only pay
out the commission once a month uh who knows so yeah money's coming in right now so yeah
he has a job and he's making money but when he's is he actually going to receive that money again I keep going
back to this very basic idea you got to cut these things down to the most simplest idea sometimes and here I am
left with the idea that he hung out with Chris and Michelle and they said that he was
meeting someone at 12:15 so either one of two things happened in my mind here either Chris and sh made up this meeting
and they are responsible for his disappearance or they dropped him off exactly like they said that night at
11:45 p.m. Keith had some kind of mysterious meeting with who we don't know where that's a good question what's
the meeting about an even better question we don't know the answers to that if in fact Chris and Michelle are
telling the truth then we have to believe that this meeting is probably responsible for the reason why Keith
vanished so we wanted to know from detective Laughlin if the people that witch Falls Police Department have
interviewed over the years if they have been Cooperative with the investigation here's his answer a yes and that's a yes
and no of course uh this because it's such a volumous list um there's going to be there's lots and lots of people that
have been Cooperative from the beginning the last two people that that were with
Keith have been Cooperative from the jump uh they were interviewed separately without hesitation uh took pass passed a
polygraph exam they didn't have anything to do with his disappearance or know where he might be which is of course
that's where everybody's going to look is uh who are the last people to see him um but just because they may have been
the last persons to see him or report to the police that they saw him obviously if something nefarious happened to Keith
then then technically they were not the last people to see him whoever did something to Keith was the last person
or persons to see him so there have been uh more persons on this long list of people to go back over and talk to that
have been uh Cooperative within the limitation of memory you know it's just something that
um at that time in their life or even now um wasn't a significant incident or issue they'll tell you everything that
they can remember about it but there's just only so far that they could go but they're still willing to cooperate and
there have been others that have not um they've either feigned cooperation that said yeah absolutely I want to help you
and then didn't follow through or follow up um so there's still more people to talk to and there's still more work to
be done I I do believe there are people um that were within this North Texas community at the time that teith
that Keith went missing that know something um and it's just matter of time before we identify them and
identify what if any knowledge they have or involvement they have so you think that Chris and Michelle have been
truthful but has there been anybody that can confirm their story about that night
yes they have been uh truthful and Cooperative from the beginning as I said um they would have been first persons
that the initial investigators talked with um and Then followed up with a polygraph exam which they uh agreed and
um Chris took one and once he took his and passed his he was Michelle was Chris's girlfriend and so she she knew
Keith because because Chris knew him and Chris would hang out they were co-workers they worked together Chris
and and Keith and so she would have known him through through that Arrangement and been around him whenever
he was around visiting with Chris so once Chris had passed his polygraph um and with this the the reported activity
of them all three being together they they didn't even um ask or get Michelle to take a polygraph it's not as if she
wouldn't or she didn't it's just they didn't see a need once uh Chris had agreed taken his and passed it they were
able to cooperate what they said based on their timeline of activity of course um just to make a quick rundown on I'm
not sure how much of it'll be covered in in your presentation but Chris and Keith
worked together at the Ford dealership that day I had previously I think I when I'd spoken to you before I may have even
given you an incorrect timeline there that he had worked from 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. he actually worked from 9:00
a.m. to 6:00 p.m. um and when he got off work at 6 he took this demo 96 red Ford
Mustang home to his apartment he' only lived in that apartment for less than a month he moved in in April so it's just
just a little over a month had he been in that apartment and Chris took home this uh Nissan
Pathfinder as a demo and came over with Michelle to Keith's apartment and it would have been around 9:30 9:40 is in
the evening when they came over and and it was a plan to get together they're going to go riding around they're going
to go uh stop by a few different parties and just hang out with you know young people do this all the time again I we
get two colleges in our town It's Not Unusual at all for college kids or even uh seniors in high school to run around
and hang hang out at different people's places for different parties on the weekend so they stopped by a convenience
store and visional investigators found the charge rece receipt that uh Keith had used there to make a purchase and
they found the video recording that he was there to make that purchase they bought some beer and they went riding
around um when they took him back to his apartment uh they made a quick stop at a
car wash um to M to hose off all the mud that had been on their their Pathfinder
they went off-roading by the lake after they stopped by a party they were hosing
the mud off and at some point Keith makes mention to them during the evening that uh he needed to be home cuz he was
expecting to meet up with somebody later on and so they took him back to the apartment
uh they dropped him in the parking lot they saw him go up the stairs but they didn't watch him go into his apartment
and they left um later on um when Carrie Keith's girlfriend at the time got to witto Falls and got to the apartment the
next morning or next afternoon uh she had found some beers on the counter just as Chris and Michelle had said hey when
we dropped him off he he took one that he was already had open and he took a couple more for later on um she found
those there in the apartment um they she found clothing that had mud on it he had
gotten out of the truck to help wash it off and gotten some mud onto his pants and stuff she found that there in the
apartment and she noted that the bed had not been slept in so the sheets the bed
was made hadn't been pulled down there had been no Impressions that somebody had laid in that bed or slept there
and that's kind of where the whole thing started once Carrie found that on the afternoon of uh Sunday May the 11th
that's when she started calling around and checking with friends and and talking to he's father and stepmother
and even you know even they at the time thought well he might have tied one on and slept it off at somebody else's
place whoever he met up with um you know it could have just been he went out partying with somebody else and he had
too much to drink so he stayed at wherever he was at and they they checked at a few places they thought he might be
and didn't didn't find anybody that had seen him and didn't find him and it wasn't until um the following morning
which would have been Monday the 13th that it's like okay you know Keith would have at least checked in by now he's got
to be at work today um we concerned and that's when the police got notified [Music]
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will not want to miss that trust me and before we draw any of our own conclusions here in the garage we wanted
to present to you some more answers from the active detective on Keith's case and
a follow-up question to the previous question was that we know according to law enforcement that Chris Michelle and
Carrie his fiance as well as Keith's family have all been Cooperative with the investigation as far as law
enforcement is concerned we wanted to know if there were other people other friends other acquaintances that were
involved in his life around the time of his disappearance if they were in fact Cooperative with police and their
investigation this would include anybody that would be in the witch Falls area that was a friend or acquaintance of
Keith's also former High School buddies of his yeah yeah when the uh Ranger uh when DPS got involved they uh they were
able to locate uh a good chunk of all the different folks that know him even since I've had it as a follow-up case
I've I've talked to some of his friends um yeah there hasn't again there's there's been a handful of people that
are either difficult to track down or locate um doesn't mean they're uncooperative we're just having a hard
time finding them there's been others that uh we have located that are uh no longer cooperating
um so there there are folks um from Keith's past that whether they know something and they're just not sharing
it or they had some kind of involvement in it it's still yet to be determined and still being investigated there's a
couple key pieces of information that are kind of hidden in those answers a little bit and we'll make them clear
right here so when they're doing their investigation when Witchita Falls Police Department are digging through through
Keith's life and the timeline leading up to his disappearance one thing we learned in one of those answers is that
the timeline that's been available to the public might be different than the actual timeline of the events that we
know that went down or that law enforcement knows that went down the big difference being that it's always been
reported in the public forum that Keith was at work from 9:00 a.m. to 900 p.m. on that Saturday and then he goes
missing at after he hangs out with his friends what the detective said there which changes that big time is that he
is saying their information shows that Keith was at work from 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. so we now have an additional 3
hours of that evening that we don't know exactly what was going on we don't have
answers to fill in the blanks of what was happening between that time period of 6:00 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. when he was
picked Up by Chris and Michelle there are a couple of things that we do know that occurred that day but it's hard to
feel confident about the time the time uh the times when these events occurred on that day knowing that our times have
shifted already on that day so we know that after work that he gassed up the Mustang and we also know that he spoke
with his fiance at some point via a telephone call so we know those two things happen it just gets very
difficult Captain to put a Time marker on both of those items when we now have an additional 3 hours to fill in that
timeline on that Saturday what we have to remember about Keith is that he went away for college but now he's back so
he's back at his old stomping grounds four years of high school there playing sports doing well pretty popular guy so
now that Circle of individuals that we have to look at is getting even bigger and we know that when he was back in
town he was hanging out with guys he used to hang out with in high school yeah and that's really interesting to me
here Captain because again it sounds like law enforcement believe Chris and Michelle's version of the events and
that's that they dropped him off and he had a meeting with somebody after they dropped him off who could that person be
we don't know but now that we know that police have these other people that they
are aware that he was hanging out with with that he was probably going out with in the evenings that now they have
people that they can look at to see who he possibly was meeting with that night and again I still think that this boils
down to either a Chris and Michelle know what happened to Keith or the person or
persons that he was meeting after they dropped him off know what happened to Keith well let's throw a little wrench
into this whole scenario though this could be a big Wrench It depends on who you talk to
well yes I agree so the rumor was that Keith was starting to gamble it's not really clear with who correct that's a
really tricky thing here because what we are told is that his parents this is something that they were not aware of
they didn't know that Keith was gambling on basketball that's the detail that they're able to fill in that Keith was
gambling on basketball around the same time that he went missing you brought up a good point we don't know with who was
this going on with people he knew from the car dealership at Ron Roberts Ford was this going on with his friends that
he's hanging out with in the in the evenings after work or is it going on with both groups it wouldn't be unheard
of for a young man to be gambling on sports with his friends or gambling with his co-workers on Sports especially when
we're talking about a car dealership or salese that's kind of it's a bit of a gamble itself that occupation when
you're living off of a commission check do we have any speculation on how much money he was betting well one thing
that's really interesting to me when when we're trying to figure out the details of this idea because now you
bring in to a whole separate mix of people that he could have been meeting with that night after Chris and Michelle
dropped him off could this meeting have to do simply with his gambling could it have been a friend of a friend or
somebody that he didn't really know or a bookie somebody that he was going through to make these
bets we know that it's been reported that he was betting on basketball and again his parents didn't learn this
until quite some time after he went missing the police found this during the course of their investigation and
interviewing people that knew Keith one thing that we do know that took place is
that at some point Keith tells his fiance that he had made a wager on a on some basketball bats or a basketball bet
he had placed a wager or Wagers and that he was going if he won he would have enough money to pay their rent for a
couple or a few months it's a little unclear 25 years later what his exact words were that could be a lot of
cheddar this brings up the obvious question of how well do we think that the people that worked with Keith at Ron
Roberts Ford were interviewed and vetted at the time when this investigation first kicked off we do know from law
enforcement that they really took a good hard look at these individuals in 1997 and then in 2002 when the state got
involved in the investigation as well we wanted to hear from the detective how well were these individuals at Ron
Roberts Ford interviewed early in this investigation yeah I trust uh implicitly that the investigators that work before
me I do not question any of their work and um what they did with their interviews and the people that did take
and past polygraphs back then and how they vetted that I I'm confident in in what in their work um but I will do just
as I just as I was telling Mike I'm going to go back over this list again and if there's anybody on there even if
they've already spoken to someone I'd like to hear it myself and I'd like to go back over it to make
sure that I'm not missing anything and we do have something new that's going to help us in our investigation as the
25-year anniversary of the day that Keith went missing is approaching can you fill us in on that detective I have
met with uh our Crim Stoppers coordinator and he met with the board of directors for our crimes Stoppers and
they have agreed to raise the reward for information leading to the whereabouts of Keith um as confirmed through DNA
analysis to $25,000 I mean this is a very difficult missing person case because we have a
timeline that's altered we have individual stories that are incomplete at best you know we hung out with this
guy all night he was supposed to meet somebody after we dropped him off who was this person he was supposed to meet
I don't know I don't remember you have the new job you have the new fiance you have the new apartment you have him
driving different Vehicles again that that makes it a lot more just the fact that he drove multiple Vehicles makes it
that much more difficult of a case to figure out I think chances are if you're meeting somebody that late at night it's
not for the best of reasons and if what his fiance is saying is true and he could have won a bunch of
money that me he bet a bunch of money it didn't seem like he had it in his own pocket at the time so then does he
become collateral damaged cuz he can't pay up well I'd like to say captain that you hit the nail on the head I can't
though because the problem here in this case and it's something you're pointing out right there very astutely there's
too many damn Nails in this case when you look at somebody who goes missing or they are a victim of a homicide you
first want to take a look at what is going on in their life that may be different from when everything was
peaches and cream right and you hit a lot of those Nails on the head the new apartment the fiance moving in the new
job he's running around with some of his old friends from high school and he's gambling on basketball these are all
things that were relatively new in Keith's life that were new leading up to the point of his disappearance we know
that because all of these things took place after he moved back home from college in January so 5 months earlier
within the last 5 months all of these things are new there's a lot of moving pieces and parts in Keith's life and it
gets really difficult to narrow down on what direction we should be looking at so I look at this case and I see just
what you said captain could this this has to do with one of those pieces in my opinion it has to do with either the new
job the new apartment the gambling hanging out with the old crew now let's go to the gambling for a little bit
because lucky for all of us here in the garage we have somebody that's pretty well has has good experience doing that
on both a legal and illegal front and if law enforcement is listening trust me I
have gambled on uh Sports illegally but it was so long ago that this statute of limitations would never hold up all the
charges have expired yeah it was back in 1907 that's correct I lost a fortune now basically there the the reason why
Sports gambling in a casino is so much better than going through a bookie is because in a casino it all happens the
same way you don't have to guess what the guy is up to how his system is what your costs are what your fees are it's
all laid out there for you black and white you can look at the numbers you can read the newspaper you can find the
numbers online and you know exactly what you're going to pay you know exactly what you're going to win it's very easy
you go in you place your bet there's no problems you go back and you cash in your ticket or you throw it away
depending on the outcome of the game and the outcome of your wager if you are going through a bookie now they all have
a slightly different system but the usual system and the usual way that this works is your basically doing a double
or nothing gamble every single time so to break it down and make it simple to those that have never experienced this
let's say you were to gamble on a basketball game this afternoon and you liked the Chicago Bulls all right you're
going to give up some points if you go through a bookie if you go to a casino you can bet the money line which no
points are involved or you could get the points involved that's neither here nor
there what we're going to focus on is the illegal aspect of it because of what law enforcement and his family are
saying he was gambling illegally Sports gambling in 1997 was not legal in the state of Texas so going through a bookie
you're basically going double or nothing so if you were to wager $100 you risk losing all 100 for the
chance at winning $200 now if you lose you have to pay juice and juice is typically 10 to 15%
10% being the majority of the time 90% of the time you're going to pay 10% juice so you can make a $100 wager with
the hope to win $200 or you can lose your $100 and have to pay an additional $10 fee for placing the bet with the
bookie make sense pretty simple right I am picking up what you're putting down let's go back to Keith's words cuz when
we look at this and and we say all right maybe this gambling is what caused his disappearance I'm not going to rule that
out completely but I'm just trying to add a little more information to that angle his words to his Fon was that if I
win this bet I'll win enough money to cover the rent for a few months right she never
says what dollar amount he thinks that he's going to win but his words were that I could pay the rent we won't have
to worry about the rent for a few months we know from his family that he was paying approximately $500 a month for
rent so let's use his words we won't have to pay the rent for a few months 3 months four months that's $1,500 to
$2,000 at best that means that his wager with a bookie would have been for $750 cash or $11,000 cash double or
nothing plus the juice if he loses what I'm getting at here to me that does not seem like the amount of money to take
someone's life usually these individuals are dead set on collecting the money it
gets really difficult for them to collect the money from you if they kill you and you don't have that money on
your person Keith had money coming in from his job and he was doing good at his job so my thought goes to maybe the
reverse Maybe it's not a situation where he was losing this wager and someone came to collect but what about the
reverse where the money is doubled he won and he won and he went to collect and all of a sudden somebody's not such
a good bookie and they don't want to pay him maybe an altercation breaks out I guess the same would be true on the
reverse of that as well but we should also look at this at the idea of maybe he won that wager I have a difficult
time believing that this had much to do with a basketball bet because it was May 10th when he went
missing easy enough for us there's not a whole lot of basketball that's being played on May 10th it's the NBA playoffs
and that's it there's no college basketball there's no regular season games on May 10th it's all playoff
basketball well on that day on Saturday the Bulls played the Hawks at noon the Jazz played the Lakers at 2:30 p.m. this
is all Witchita Falls Texas time one thing that we do know that happened that day again we can't put a
Time marker on it because our timeline has altered based off of the detective's words he called his fiance spoke with
her via telephone after he was off work on that Saturday that could have been as
early as 600 p.m. could has could have been as late as 9:30 p.m. before Chris and Michelle picked him up the problem
with that phone call then becomes this if his words are if we win I can cover the rent for a few months the problem
with that statement regardless of what time we put that phone call at 6:00 at the earliest or 9:30 p.m. at the latest
both of those games are over for the day so he must have been talking about a wager that he was going to make on
Sunday which doesn't make any sense that it would have anything to do with him going missing because he went missing
Saturday night so the gambling thing certainly throws a wrench into it but I wonder if it's just a red herring that
has nothing to do with why we don't know where he is right well it also makes it
again more difficult cuz it's not like we have somebody coming out and saying we know for a fact that he was meeting
with his bookie or meeting with somebody that was involved in this gambling and because he went to high
school there he has a bunch of old friends that he could have met up with bunch of old acquaintances he could have
met up with and who's to say he didn't meet up with a female that night you really have to leave everything on the
table here in this case until you can start Crossing some of them off and that's why I wanted to try to and I know
that I didn't completely but try to cross off maybe this gambling the thing that's difficult though here too captain
and I trust detective Laughlin he's got a stellar record he's a Cold Case detective who has cleared four cases
which I don't know that the general public know how difficult clearing cold cases are but this man in his unit have
cleared four and we say unit and he says you know I've done this with the help of
my fellow men and women that I work with but at the same time you hear him say in
his introduction I'm really the only one in this unit so he's done a damn good job over the years clearing these cold
cases but one thing that I have a difficult time with is when I hear that witch Falls has
cleared that's kind of his words that we've moved on past Chris and Michelle who we know that he
was seen with that night the reason why I can't move on from Chris and Michelle is the fact that we are told
that Chris took a polygraph test in passed and he's been Cooperative Michelle has been Cooperative but she
was never asked to take a polygraph test don't email me and tell me what big batch of [ __ ] polygraph tests are I
understand what they are what I'm saying is if you are using them to eliminate people then we need to look at it as
such one took one one was not asked to take one the problem with that is if you are going to believe the one that took
one that both of their stories are right based off of that polygraph and their cooperativeness well then the other
person should have taken one to who's to say that this Chris fella that he worked with at Ron Roberts is in some
kind of closeted psychopath that has the ability to untruthfully answer these questions and
pass the polygraph test and the reason why I Circle back to that is because the only
people that say the only people in Keith's entire life that say that he was meeting anyone at all that night was
Chris and Michelle we need to figure out how truthful that item is because if that is truthful then
that means Chris and Michelle had nothing to do with it and whoever Keith was meeting had something to do with his
disappearance now Chris and Michelle would have had the ability to Stage his apartment to
make it look like he had returned that night again it's only Chris and Michelle's word that they dropped off
Keith and that he was walking up to his apartment but we never saw him go in they say he had the meeting they say
they dropped him off the evidence at the room at his apartment makes it appear like Keith came back to the apartment
that night but the problem with that becomes what is the evidence that the door was locked that there were beers on
the counter that there were cloth there were clothes on the bathroom floor the bed wasn't slept
in uh me and the captain could lock that door Place beers on the counter and put
clothing on the bathroom floor well and on top of that because there's two of them hey uh meet me down at the church
let's move his vehicle and we have his parents who said that Chris would have known that Keith parked Vehicles there
at that spot now I I want to be clear not trying to point a big giant finger at Chris and Michelle I'm just simply
saying that I don't think that we can move on from either of them yet I think that a good followup would be to keep
them on the possible list because until until both have been polygraphed if that's going to be your method of
clearing people then we need to polygraph both of these individuals again I do feel confident in what the
detective is telling us so I don't want to stay on this too much the other outside Factor here is what was going on
at Ron Roberts Ford we know that he had worked there for about 8 weeks before he went missing and there have
been rumors about about this dealership throughout wit all falls for 25 years for the entirety time for the
entire time that Keith has been missing some of these rumors include that some of the individuals working there were
involved in Narcotics were involved in the movement of drugs maybe even using those vehicles to transport
drugs there's even been rumors that when they built or renovated the place that Keith might be buried
at the location these things throw a whole another big wrench into this story could it be as simple as Keith
took the wrong car that somebody had stashed a bunch of something in that trunk of that car and Keith signed it
out not knowing that he had taken someone's stash or moved something that he wasn't supposed to move or something
that somebody needed access to right away it's a very difficult case and again there's too many nails to hit the
right one on the head the thing that I can't get over is the movement of the car I'm supposed to meet somebody up
again not clear if it was supposed to be at his new apartment or if he's going somewhere to meet them up but to me oh
I'll meet you at the parking lot of the church that well that's a good place for
you to pay me my money or for me to pay you the money but I don't think he had money he was working at this job for not
a long time these are commission-based jobs or at least a portion of your pay is commission based and so it seems like
he was in some need to get some fast money and whether that was to do a job of moving drugs or that was through this
gambling but I think the movement of the car is really important and because there are so many different avenues that
this investigation could take that is why Witchita Falls Police Department needs your help that is why more
importantly Keith Man's family you heard his father and his stepmother you heard
the emotion the Heartbreak in their voices that is why his family Keith's family needs your help because law
enforcement is convinced and I am as well and so is the captain that it's been 25 years and that somebody whoever
is responsible for what happened to Keith on that night they've probably told somebody and there are other people
that weren't responsible for what happened to Keith that know what happened to Keith that they've heard
rumors or been told stories and for whatever reason they've not felt comfortable
coming forward with that information Now's the Time it's 25 years later give the family some hope allow this father
to bring his son home after all of these years make a phone call or submit your tip online the reward has been increased
to $25,000 simply for the location of Keith's remains they don't even have to bring
charges against somebody to pay out that reward they just want to bring Keith home and before we close out we'll have
detective Laughlin tell you the best place to send your information okay straight to me is my my phone number is
940 761 7762 and that's to the CIS secretaries and then they will transfer the call to
me they can email me my email address Mike you we've exchanged emails so you have that just john. Laughlin wfpd
doet and then if they want to remain anonymous uh there's two things they can do they can call our Crim
Stoppers um which is 322 9888 or if they're call calling uh long distance the toll-free number I think is
uh 1 800 322 9888 we also have a Crimestoppers website it is WF crime.com it's always good when we can
talk to individuals involved in the cases whether it's law enforcement or family members so we want to give both
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20 year old Keith Mann Jr. went missing in the middle of the night. His case is a strange one because of many factors. Keith lived alone in an apartment. There are signs that he was meeting an unknown person that night. His vehicle was found in a strange location but completely undisturbed. Did this meeting really take place? This is just one of the questions that needs to be answered. Keith has been missing now for 25 years. He’s been missing now for more years than he was with us and the Wichita Falls Police Department is determined to bring Keith home for his family and a proper burial. There is a reward in this case for information leading to the finding of Keith’s body. With the 25th anniversary of the date he went missing fast approaching Crime Stoppers has increased the reward to $25,000. Information and tips can be submitted by calling WFPD’s CIS @ 940-761-7762. Or if you wish to remain anonymous you can call Crime Stoppers @ 800-322-9888. Information and tips can also be submitted anonymously online @ WFcrime.com (http://wfcrime.com/)

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Brief Summary

The episode covers the unsolved disappearance of Keith Man, focusing on his last known interactions and potential gambling connections.

Key points

Toe Fungus Warning. A humorous yet practical warning about hygiene in public showers.
The Search for Keith. A father expresses his guilt and determination to find his missing son.
Mysterious Meeting. Discussion about the last known movements of Keith before his disappearance.
The Night of Disappearance. Keith was last seen after hanging out with friends and mentioning a meeting later.
Gambling Rumors. New information reveals Keith may have been gambling, unknown to his parents.
Increased Reward for Information. The reward for information on Keith's whereabouts has been raised to $25,000.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

I want to find my son before I pass from this Earth.

A father's plea for his missing son.

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Tension

75/ 100High tension

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