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[Music] advised hello everyone and welcome back to the show made by the crime junkie
Ashley flowers for those who are crime junkie AF I am really excited about today's guest also a little nervous I
feel like this is um a little bit of crime junky meat so Supernatural because we get to explore the supernatural side
of solving crimes with none other than my next guest she is a New York Times bestselling author a professor of medium
ship host of the deadlife podcast and she also worked at one point alongside investigators to help solve cold cases
using her gift so please welcome the world-renowned medium and profiler Allison Dua thank you for having me I
can't tell you I'm actually so stinking excited I feel like most people if they know you are going to know you two ways
if they're like me they will know you from the show that was based on your life medium which was like my guilty
pleasure I've seen the whole thing two times all the way through I have a zillion questions for you um or and and
this was new to me because I'm not a reality TV person I had to do some homework before you came but you were on
the real housewise for a minute uh yes I was I was a guest and you're having like
a Resurgence in this moment in time because there's always a Resurgence so even as someone who who who never
watched the real housewise I have um someone here I work with who is obsessed and she's trying to tell me about some
nonsense that's going on in Sol I can't follow it right but even I have heard about
this Infamous dinner episode and so it's slightly iconic I finally saw the clip in preparation for you coming my anxiety
was through the roof watching it TR being there and have so and now you predicted
this like breakup now it has all come to a head so many years later is Bravo inviting you back are you going to go
back mic drop I'm pretty sure the way it works is the original housewife that pitches the show for her City I believe
owns points on the show they have more control let's just say they have more control that would be Kyle who I made
the prediction about so are they having me back hell no you don't think so I mean at some point rating alone I would
the ratings would be great I don't think she cares about the ratings obviously CU
it's supernaturally boring that's fair um but I don't expect to be going back I also turned them down on going on Watch
What Happens Live oh yeah right afterwards they invited me on and I said no um because I was on my way to a
charity event in Tucson I was actually at the airport to go to a children's event so um I think there's a lot of ego
goes at play in the bravo bravo verse you don't say yeah so I don't expect to be ever going back um yeah Cam and I
aren't really friends anymore so there'd be no reason for me to be there I was just there as sort of support for her
that's how Kelsey um spun it for me to go with her that she was being attacked by Mean Girls yeah such like a like a
blip in your life that I feel like it's getting a spotlight right now because you have done so so many other things
you've been a practicing medium for 25 years is that what I heard I I was listening to your podcast this morning
um can you tell me like how how does your gift work I'd like to start there okay because I don't know that it works
how people think it does well it's interesting because everybody thinks mediums and psychics have the same
function like that we do it in the same way and why I didn't know there's a difference there is a difference I was I
became friends with John Edward who had the show crossing over we were on Oprah together years ago and I didn't know he
didn't have sight I just assumed all mediums could see the other side and so some mediums can only see it but they
can't hear it some can hear it and can't see it some H can do all of that which is what I do okay and so when I bring
them through and wait is that different than a psychic okay or psychics predict future events and they can tap into
energy mediums talk to the dead okay so just to give the difference and and most
mediums are psychic as well and most psychics are not mediums so that's why you'll see so many psychics when you
Google anything a service of that sort um and fewer mediums CU mediums have to be validated on the spot because we're
talking about somebody you lost and you're able to validate the information with a psychic prediction you have to
wait for it to pass okay got it so mediums are a better way to go if you're looking for somebody with
abilities because they they have to prove themselves time and time again yeah so when did you know that you had
this gift well I was six and I six and I went to my first funeral um so my great-grandfather died of intestinal
cancer he was in a lot of pain I remember that he was a very sweet man and I went to his funeral and I saw him
in the casket and I'm sick so I thought oh he's taking a nap and he's going to wake up and feel better CU that's what
they did with us they laid us down for a nap and we became less cranky so I thought somehow it was going to fix him
I didn't really understand death and my mom brought me home and she put me to bed and she went to bed and I looked at
the foot of my bed and I saw my great-grandfather and he had no lines on his face he looked older and now I know
why they do that for children they'll look closer to the age they were when they died um so they can identify him so
we know who they are otherwise we'd see some young man that's 25 be like who are
you and it would freak us out so this is a way for us to identify them do they appear differently to different people
um when I bring them through for clients they go back to the age they were the happiest on Earth so when they fell in
love when they got married when they had a baby sometimes when they won a Golden
Gloves prize fight because I've brought through a lot of athletes and Comedians and people like that too so they go back
to their Heyday whatever their heaven was okay and so I'll give the age and nine times out of 10 the person's like
that's when my mom and dad met or that's when my son was the happiest before his
chemical imbalance took a hold um so it was he did that for me so I'd be able to
recognize him as my great-grandfather no lines on his face though there was like
the age was gone somehow even though I could tell it was my grandfather and he said tell your mom I'm not in pain
anymore and I'm still with her and those were his exact words so I hopped out of
bed little red head black button eyes mom you know ran to her room uh gave her the messages and she just looked at me
really angrily and she said go back to bed and so I went back to bed and I he wasn't there anymore and so I was like
is he mad at me too did he leave like I didn't understand so it was very confusing and that's when I learned to
not share what I was seeing with my mother did it happen a lot after that oh yeah it's kind of funny because I'm an
Aquarius and we actually really like being alone we don't need other people around we're not that person we're not
team players and um so I'd have old men in my room while I'd be doing playing a tea party that would be playing poker
and they'd have suspenders and like the mustache and the hat I reminded them of their granddaughter but I could see them
and they liked watching me play with my dolls and so they just sit there and play poker and smoke stoies and I was
totally comfortable with that that's how I grew up how did they find you um is it
location based or it's more energy that gravitates to the energy it needs or that it that it Vibes with so they
probably missed their granddaughters their granddaughters probably missed them and being around me they were able
to interact so they were around me so you never had a conversation with your mom about this I assume for a long time
you just kind of just stopped with my mom I stopped as I became a teenager my friends knew so um they would say
uh what do you think of my boyfriend I'm like so it was kind of a Kyle situation
you know um but it was in the making and I'd say I keep seeing a blonde with him
I think he's talking to his ex like I I would not trust oh my God what a fun friend to have in high school with you I
don't trust him with your heart and they get mad at you like they shoot the messenger and so even when it turns out
he was cheating with the blonde ex-girlfriend you still represent that infidelity to them it's your fault
somehow they project and that's what Kyle did to me so I was not surprised like here done this yeah so it didn't
hurt she was nobody to me it wasn't like losing a friend you know I'm like yeah no love
loss whatever and um so it started there and then as you know and I I think this
was something we were going to touch on when I was 17 and I moved the bed so I heard that voice that had always been
protecting me say move the bed and my and Barbara was standing there and we were 17 you know and when you say I hear
a voice is it like is it a feeling is it actual like an audible voice to you like
what is it to describe it to people who don't sometimes it's outside of your head you'll actually hear somebody yell
something or say a name and sometimes it's in your head like and that's why people dismiss communication from the
other side because they're thinking it's their thought and it's just what they want to hear but in reality that's how
they communicate with us it's part of their language so they will speak to us within our mind or um a sense of us
knowing that it's them they'll speak through our heart and so they're telepathic so they're telepathically
communicating with us without having to open their mouth okay which we're also capable of it's how I can pull thoughts
off of killers is I tap into their head and I pull the blueprint of their energy
what was the motive um did they know the victim was it sexually motivated was it
financially motivated what matters to them were they beaten as a child I pull all this information and put it together
so to me it's the same process as tapping into somebody's ex-boyfriend or um maritzio
whatever so and so do you need to like be in the presence of someone no it just no I was trained in a laboratory so I
had to be able to pull information and so I just take the first name of the person they want to hear from I read a
lot of wives they give me their husband's first name oh really yeah and I'm like month and day they oh my God
never I don't want to like I love my husband to death I don't want to know what's in his head I actually wrote a
chapter called do you really want to know I was so tired I was so tired of people asking me things and then they
were sorry cuz I'll tell them the truth I'll tell them the truth though I'm like
not you don't hire me to not hear the truth yeah and so when um say Kyle asked about what I got on her honestly that
was a thing that stood out in her energy the most was the threat in the marriage
I answered honestly did I answer with panach yes I loved it so take us back to this moment so
you're 17 in that moment what do what was the voice a scream was what was it so it was the same voice that had been
talking to me internally since childhood so it had already saved my life one other time when I was 11 what happened
then um I was on my bicycle and I was riding home it was daytime I lived in a cue saac and so I hadn't and I it's so
weird to look back because I've worked so many um missing children's cases now I know exactly how they become isolated
in that 30second or 60-second window so I was in front of an alley that was in between this street and the street I
lived on so I needed to make make a left on my bike on the sidewalk and ironically on the other side of the gate
that was my best friend's house so this car pulled up and it was two men and I'm
older now so I understand cuz I was 11 at the time but um they wanted me to get in the car they wanted me to go for a
ride and I'm on my bicycle and something was telling me not to approach the window like I knew not to approach and
they were like come here come here um they're like we'll take we'll drive you home that's what they kept saying we'll
drive you home and um this urgency this urgent feeling in my house being flash through my head over and over again like
go to get home and so I took off on my bike cuz I was in shock I was sort of paralyzed in the moment when they were
doing this cuz as a child they're very were very sensitive um I was feeling fear on such a high level like I knew
this was bad and so their car was faced in the opposite direction that I was going going so they must have turned
around and our culdesac maybe made a wrong turn so it was just I was in the wrong place at the wrong time took off
got to my house told my mom she did what the majority of parents do with um reported child abductions and she did
not report it and so I survived that and then at 17 when I was honestly I was going to a party with my friend Barbara
and and I I heard the voice same voice say move your bed it was the same energy to the presence that was communicating
with me so I didn't think anything of it so I moved my bed from the south wall to
the East wall you're like real quick before we go to this party I just need that's what I did and Barbara was like
why did you do that and I said that voice it told me to do it so like it's saved my life before so I listen she's
like well what's that going to do moving your bed I'm like I don't know you're like hasn't let me down right that's
kind of I didn't question it it was a faith that I had cuz I'd been connected to since childhood and uh that night she
and I came back from the party she she was spending the night because you know her mom curfew all that you know that
works and uh a truck drove through our bed my bedroom wall that night um in the middle of the night and so I woke up
because the cement blocks were falling on our legs as the wall was coming down and there were headlights in the room
and I'm kind of AI was probably a little buzzed so Kar back in the day good times um and
and I saw the headlights so I thought it was my best friend Susie and I was like
Susie just back your car out we'll put a poster over the hole in the wall oh my God I think you were more than a little
I think so well we had jungle juice back then so probably we'll put a poster over
it I know I'll put a poster over it teenagers no problem it's fine and um and then I realized what was happening
because Susie's mom Sherry opened the door and she looked at me um shocked and because she had just said Thank God
Allison didn't come home last night uh Allison and Barbara and then she saw we were in the bed and she was like oh my
God and there were cops and fire departments and it was a drunk driver that had gone over three lanes of
traffic over a divider through a backyard fence and through and through the back wall of the house and just it
would have killed us because where I moved the bed from would have been under the wheels of her truck
so literally I would have had the drunk driver above me as we're under it so I moved the bed to the only place in the
room where we could have survived it wasn't that big of a room that's unbelievable yeah so I always listen to
The Voice Skeptics are like how do you prove it I'm like you know what I don't need to hear your arguments this voice
has saved me it's always been there for me and I'm going to listen to it before I ever listen to you criti me have you
ever thought about the men that tried to take you or what whoever they were I did
there were paper boys that were disappearing around that time that were being molested and statistically and you
probably are aware of this but maybe your audience is not girls around the age of 11 are the most highly abducted
and murdered of all children under the age of 18 so 11 is when we start giving them Freedom 11-year-old girls are
actually the biggest Target because they're in between puberty in childhood so they they pedophiles are attracted to
them so I'm just glad my instincts were there and that voice and um I said back then I'm going to grow up and put people
like that away so that's where I started my journey of wanting to be a prosecutor
was around that time and tell me about that what did what did that Journey look like for you so the first Glimpse I got
in of that was when the TV show Adam came out about Adam Walt yes I've seen it and I was a little girl so I was
probably around n then and he was six I think when he disappeared and I heard the word decapitated for the first time
and I thought um who would hurt a little boy like that like what's out there that
does that so then at 11: I saw what was out there that did that you know and so um I already had decided I wanted to be
someone who put bad guys away when I was nine but then at 11 when that happened to me I was shown what the victim feels
like seeing it through their eyes I go through the perpetrator cuz I don't like emotionally getting pulled into the
victim story I try and go through the motives things that can actually help the police and um and so that happening
sent me on a quest to go to law school and be become a judge eventually a Superior Court Justice is what I that
was the goal that was the goal that's why I didn't get a tattoo that's why I didn't do half things half the things I
didn't do because I'm like no I'm going to be a judge someday that would look bad have a neck tattoo right no no that
was never imp Peril of that so um so yeah I lived life to be a judge and went to school and did all the proper things
took my lsats and ended up being professional medium instead so so yeah when did that like sharp left turn
happened so um Joe and I got married when I was 21 we've been together since I was 20 so I because you just knew I
knew for I knew it was him I KN not in the beginning though I actually was going to pass up the love of my life
when I met him I'm like you're not my type I'm not interested I'm on I was on my um sort of villain era as a girl
where I'm like I'm going to be like guys are and date who I want and do who I want I don't want a relationship I was
in that I was tired of being locked down in relationships cuz I had relationship
energy apparently and guys were just as soon as I was broken up with one another
one's like hey and I'm like oh God so women are like there's no nice guys I'm like well I smashed most of their hearts
I think back in the day um but then I met my husband he's a rocket scientist oh and uh I didn't really believe him
cuz we were at an ASU bar it was called Gators back in the day okay so I met my husband and we started having kids and I
was fainting in pregnancy and they couldn't figure out out why and this ties into me at the laboratory so I
promise there's conclusion um I would be at a grocery store and I just drop to the ground like black out and so they
sent me to the chief neurologist at Barrow's Neurological Institute in Phoenix um and he ran brain scans the
MRIs you know uh all of the tests you could put someone through and he sat us down and I kept the tape recording of it
actually and he said um you have activity in your brain that looks like it mirrors epilepsy but you're not
epileptic and he's like I've never seen this he said I don't have an answer for you he said after you have the baby if
this keeps happening come back and so I went to the laboratory a few years later
I thought they were going to hook me up because I wanted to know do mediums have
different brain activity that mirrors epilepsy um take my blood look at my blood like I wanted to know can we
pinpoint this people that's what I thought we were going to do um instead they put me through rigorous testing um
testing my level of skill and my accuracy for four years four years four years wait where what lab what this was
at University of Arizona okay and Gary Schwarz ran the lab then and um and I saw on TV and I'm like okay I'm going to
go there I'm going to prove I'm average at this I'm going to go finish law school and live my life cuz I don't need
this like I didn't want to do this and um so they put me through testing and my mentor at the time she went with me and
we were both being put through the same test and they ended up cutting her from the lab she wasn't accurate enough mhm
and they kept me and they were like what you're doing is extraordinary and so we
need to study you and they kept writing books on me for four years we got to keep you in the dark for now got to keep
you in the dark but all will be revealed that's exactly what he'd say after four
years I realized he was just writing books based on my results and I left so um I did spend four years John Edward
was also studied there Lori Campbell was studied there um the testing was amazing
though um in difficulty level yeah so I learned a lot but that's where I learned I'm also a
competitive person which didn't hurt um so I learned how good you should have to
be you know to to do this professionally so then I was looking at all these other
mediums like these yahoos yeah I'm like is there a b or a c or I'm like what is this is it a skill you can hone if I
mean or you like have it or you don't I think that most people you have to take what you have and cultivate it okay and
some people have it more than others totally and I believe it's genetic it runs in families and some I hear this
all the time people will say well I'm not like you you know but you know I I dream about dead people and I know
things before they happen I'm like so you are like me so what do you mean you're not like me yeah so um so that
was interesting but everybody's had a grandmother or an aunt that used to do tarot or had dreams that somebody died
everybody's got one in their family it seems so I believe it's more prevalent Than People realize and certain
Generations suppressed it because it was bad which is why my mom reacted to me the way she did because was she familiar
with it at all or not um my mom had a lot on her plate and here's what I learned about mediums and psychics they
can have bad judgment because my mom isn't intuitive and she can tap in but I think a lot of people with abilities
don't know any different than their own experience so they assume they're not really doing that much but my mom um God
lover she's also been married five times so um I some people just have bad judgment they'll let their mind override
their gut feeling right so it's like oh he's bad for me oh no that's just me that's fear talking you know and and
women go with him anyways know and then it blows up and they're like oh I should
have listened I knew I mean so many of my clients tell me when they were going to walk down the aisle they knew they
shouldn't have and they did anyway because everything was ordered and the expectations it's like stop yourself in
that moment trust your gut don't do it cuz the Grim's better off with someone that'll actually love him and you're
better off going on your pursuit of somebody who is real in your life you and I think that
everyone you know there there's an exception to everything but I think for the most part people have very loud or
strong guts and like we like we like quiet them over our lives we let our mind override it we explain it away
we're Our Own Worst skeptic yeah when it comes to those moments and I've even been guilty of it and I get mad at
myself and I'm like Ellison you're you what are you doing yeah listen um but sometimes it's easier for people to let
their mind win that argument against their inner voice yeah and I just learned especially as a professional
medium I trust the dead way more than I trust the living so if the dead tell me something I know it's true and so I
learned how to Stand My Ground in client readings for instance in the beginning I
had a woman that I read my mentor was in the living room it was one of her friends and I'm reading her I'm bringing
the husband or no he sorry this one wasn't dead he was still alive um she said whatat about my husband and she's
asking me and I'm automatic writing on the Impressions I'm getting I was like he's having an affair and she was like
oh my God he wouldn't cheat on me he worships me he totally loves me and I said well look this is what I'm getting
uh this is the information that I'm picking up from the other side this is what they're telling me is going on in
your life and she was like okay well let's move on and we go through the reading and then she leaves and my
mentor goes her husband is cheating on her she's like she knows he's cheating on her she just is in denial doesn't
want to talk about it and doesn't want it set out loud so then I never questioned it again so how did you find
yourself in crime solving law enforcement okay so it started with Adam and then I started carrying an anet case
I was a weird kid I watched 60 minutes I was always you know you were crime junkie is what you were I was a crime
junkie as a child yeah it started early you need children's crime junkie t-shirt listen
I'm like I needed a whole like Series yeah and so um I was interning in homicide and the fact that I even got
the internship is and this is at the prosecutor's office right yeah this is at the America P county attorney's
office and it was interesting because I knew me getting the job was divine I knew it was from somewhere else because
I was stuck between do I want to do divorce custody law or homicide like a prosecutor and I'm like well as a kid
you know I always wanted to put the bad guys away but you know I could help kids
in custody situations and have like a child psychologist on staff and help them so I was a little torn so I went to
homicide and they all told me no like everybody in homicide said no they didn't want they really didn't want me
there the women were kind of mean quite honestly yeah I mean I was 28 at the time and they were not liking me being
around and so I'm sitting waiting for my parking to be validated this man comes and sits next to me starts talking to me
and he said why are you here and I said I'm here um for an internship like I really wanted to see if this was my path
and he said did they find a place for you and I said no they told me you didn't need any he's like don't need any
um he's like I need someone to like organize my files and help put things together for court he's like you can be
my intern and I was just like really so he walks me back through the bullpen of women on the phone and he's like this is
the new intern this is Alison DUIs and I'm just like hi you know who is the man um I've never I let's just say he was
very high up in his division um he's retired from there since but although he met with the producers of medium and
they know who he is I've never outwardly named him because um I don't want him to have to answer
for my life you know okay but he knows who he is and he was he's still a very good friend important pivotal in my life
um but Glen Karen met him and so when he made uh manwel uh his character Deval around this man okay and his his
Persona so that was pretty great so anyways it was my job to sort crime scene photos to go to court and I was
sorting the photos and I was noticing that I was seeing what was happening in flashes before the person was killed and
um he was like what's what's wrong cuz I guess I looked a little troubled and I said I swear I'm seeing what happened
moments before these people were killed and he was like that's interesting he said what are you doing and I said I
feel like maybe I'm getting in the head of the perpetrator cuz like I know what the motive is here and he said can you
do that with a jury can you headtap jurors and I said I've never did he have any context for you your life or
anything or it was just when you're looking at these pictures he was intuitive himself and he so he believed
even though he's like straight up the best prosecutor I've seen in my life this commands the
courtroom and so I said I could try so he sent me to one of the DA's homes and she had the jury questionnaires so I had
to go through and assem put people on a jury that the defendants uh Council uh wouldn't care if we put them on um
because they get like a certain amount of strikes where they can strike some of your people and we can strike some of
yours so I wanted to put people on the jury for our victim who is raped tortured and murdered she was an ASU law
student that was my first case um I wanted to assemble a jury with women who knew what it was like to be
victimized um women who are raped carry a victim energy so as I'm looking at the
names on the questionnaires I could feel the ones who had been through something
I wanted them on my jury even though they said they were against the death penalty because I was pretty sure we
could flip them as soon as they empathized with our victim and saw the gravity of the the it was animalistic
what he did to the this woman and once they saw the level of Carnage I figured we could flip them and it took 7 days
and when a jury's out for that long you're normally going to get a hung jury or um even a not guilty cuz the one hold
out gives in and um I was taking my kids to TGI Fridays this on this particular day and
I looked at the TV and it was it was him it was the man I worked for and um he was doing a press conference announcing
that we got our guilty verdict on this man and that was my first uh case where they brought me in to do that and he's
like I don't know how you did that um but can you do it again and the woman the female DA's house that he took me
over to she could not stand me in court like she didn't think I should be there she's like I assembled my own jury he
went with yours instead like she was upset and rightly so because I wouldn't have been as accurate he gambled on me
and that's a big gamble I get that it's been so many years I feel like I can talk about this now did she come around
she ended up being one of my best friends get out here so then she you know then she asked me to help her on
one and um I was on NyQuil I had a cold I was so sick this one more day and she goes I need to know if the jury's going
to come back for us and when I'm like oop is that all so um anyways so I told her the day and I told her the time and
so I went back to sleep on my nightquil and my phone rang and she's like okay she's like the jury's back with a
verdict she's like you off by 4 minutes I was like sorry Patty whatever um she's like that was pretty good she's
like I know you're sick but get dressed we're going to go drink some margaritas I was like I really don't feel like
she's like I don't care she like this is too big not to celebrate so that's how I
sort of um progressed through the office of Da and um I loved it I did it six times yeah uh there was one that we
there was a loophole we could not get this man really bothered me cuz the little girl was only like three and she
was killed in his um trailer he was babysitting for parents that were meth addicts and um they found her body in
his trailer but they couldn't prove it was him because there was no DNA on her body so he was she was in his trailer
yes in his trailer and he said I went to the story came back she was dead it still leaves doubt and so they couldn't
they weren't going to be able to get him and it just that just bothered me so much not just that that happened to her
but that where were her parents you know and that there are a lot of parents out
there like that on drugs that just aren't parent ing their kids and protecting them so I initiated the Amber
Alert in the state of Arizona and served on the task force to design it in 200 2001
believe um and it was during my internship I was doing this because I was called by the Texas Rangers which is
the first episode of medium to go out on a case that I had sent them information
on that hadn't been released to the public did you cold reach out to them yeah I just why how did well it was like
the first episode my husband so it's it's really just like the first episode he wrote it down oh I can't wait to call
my mom and tell her and he faed it to the law enforcement sent it off to them and that so they called and said they
want you in Texas the first episode was the most accurate to my life really yeah
that's was my favorite episode my daughter the baby even wore the monkeys around her neck with the little velro
hands she collected those for years so um uh that's how really got started but then so much happened okay so that
happened I'm interning while I'm being studied by scientist then Hollywood reaches out to
the scientist and says send us some of your best mediums and so that's a whole other part of my life and then medium
gets catches Kelsey grammar's eye and he's like I want to make a show based on your life I'm like I'm
32 like I'm not old enough to have have a show based on my life um and they just
thought it was such a fascinating story I couldn't work with the prosecution anymore which was my favorite thing to
do I felt like I was finally doing what I love if you were doing the show people
knew who I was oh I'm in the courtroom so people sitting on the jury either love me and might Fine for us just for
that or they don't believe in it and I just hurt the prosecution so I was recognizable I was everywhere at that
time I was all over the Press cuz we did a huge press Blitz and um I had to say goodbye to the one thing that felt right
yeah so do you wish the TV show never happened um no I I mean I really do think everything happens for a reason
and I believe that Media made it acceptable for people in all walks of life to embrace their gifts and I think
it gave a lot of people an anchor something to ground them to know they weren't alone so medium had to come out
and I was the Brazen one that would do it you know that would lay it on the line so I had a lot of mediums then a
lot of backlash like how' you get a show I'm like I didn't even try I'm sorry I like to hear there like pitching in
Hollywood I never did that and I just Kelsey was co-producing the show that I was out there to do as one of of the
mediums that they were testing and um and I became friends with him and I asked him to write a blur for the cover
of my first book don't kiss them goodbye and the rest was history which led to me
knowing Camille which led to Housewives like my whole life is just seriously oh my gosh so Seven Seasons really wasn't
enough to put um my life on display that's a lot wow yeah so I do miss it but even my friend Patty she she said I
could talk about her now she doesn't care but um she retired from the DA's office and she put the you know Baseline
killer serial killer on on death row she was one of the Das that did that she's a
badass and um so she she retired and I looked at Joe and I said she put in 20 years she gets a pension in retirement I
said I put in 20 years doing this pro bono mhm I said I'm reti ing from that part of doing what I do I said I can't
hold any more images of children that were murdered or uh meet any more parents of murdered children like I I
just I can't and the dates like now dates are connected to people that are victims in my head a date rolls around
it's not just January 2nd it's the day Nicole bigs or um Mel bigs disappeared you know like it's all connected for me
and did you do a lot of like private Consulting work then with like with families with no I only worked with law
enforcement because I was part of law enforcement in prosecution I knew what information they needed evidentiary okay
wise like evidence-wise I knew what helped them and what didn't and I say this to psychics who want a profile they
think it's So Glamorous it's the most thankless thing you'll ever do you hardly ever you get the thank yous in
the beginning and then you never hear from them again after the body's found M you know you don't get to go to the
funeral it's you know it's not not usually like that um but aside from that they don't know what information to give
them they're talking about how the victim felt yes we know the victim was in pain we know bad things happened to
the victim stop talking about it that's not what the family needs to hear so when I'd work a case I was coming at it
from the perspective of law enforcement what can I tell them did they miss a video camera this was a Chicago case I
was brought in on by a friend that was Chicago PD she there was a murder case and it was a man who had killed a old
lady in the Subways or something around there and they couldn't get him and I said you missed a camera I said it was
recorded and they went back and she found the camera and they got the footage and they got the guy so um
sometimes it's as easy as that and sometimes it's harder if it's a stranger child abduction there's no connection to
the victim for me to make it's so much harder than if it's a husband that killed for you know the life insurance
or if it's sexually motivated because a girl stepped out on her boyfriend you know that I can pull so easy is that is
that because it has some kind of like emotional stickiness like I don't know how else to describe it yeah because I
can feel the connection between those the victim in the killer because there was a connection when it's somebody that
grabs you off the street there was no preexisting connection there's no energy between those two people there's only
fear in the victim and then there's law enforcement um trying to come in and figure out out of 8 billion people who
killed this person if they're lucky enough to have a body so um I always tell psychics that can profile and this
is my students included make a best friend who runs kadab dogs tap into the kadab dog running
community partner with them work a case together find the remains that's how you prove
yourself to the police interesting so um because they're like well how do I get in where you were I'm like I'm pretty
sure my story only happened like one time yeah and it was to me yeah you know it was all thing all doors were opened
by the right people at the right time and that's how I know it was divinely laid out so is there a case I mean you
worked so many that that really stays with you um so just last year right after the Kyle
Epiphany um Natalie Holloway was one of the last cases I had provided information on and I always said she was
in the water said she's in the water Vander slot did it this is what happened I mean I went on news programs it was
not a secret um and they finally got his admission last fall I believe sometime around that um so I was able to close
that in my mind because the answers were there there's only one case after that one out of all the cases I've ever
worked that has no conclusion and it was Mel begs and that will always bother me
she was my driving force in starting an Amber Alert in Arizona serving on the task force to design it I actually asked
her mother to come with me to knock on doors to get the Amber Alert passed into Arizona um so that it was a law it was a
function that we had available to us because the majority of stranger abductions I believe the FBI statistic
is they're killed the low statistics within seven hours but it's usually really within like three um so as soon
as they're removed to a remote area they're dead unless they're one of the Miracles that survives the strangulation
or whatever the mode of of murder was and um the Amber alert they were they in uh Dallas Fort Worth area they were
using it there so when I went to Texas for the my first case which was the opal Jennings case she was a little
girl um when I went out there the cop that I was riding in the car with was telling me about the amber alert and
that it was created for Amber Hagerman who was raped and murdered in the Fort Worth area and so that's why I brought
it back to Arizona cuz they only had it in the Fort Worth um Dallas Fort Worth area and in San Diego those were the
only two places in the entire country that had it so this was a long time ago mind you and so I wanted it in Arizona
and with uh Tracy Big's help Mel's mother uh we knocked on enough doors that JD Hayworth was the only politician
that actually called us back and listened to us and helped us implement it clear channel is worried about being
sued because they're like what if it's a prank I'm like what if it's not yeah what if it's a real child abducted it's
not worth it if we have to deal with pranks so be it yeah and then they were worried about well what if they don't
meet the age requirement what if it's an old person I'm like can we cross that bridge after we get like the bones of
this put down um I knew Molly Bish's story cuz I had met her parents through Tracy bigs and she was a lifeguard that
was abducted from her post and so I got them to raise the age to 17 in Arizona because at the time it was 15 cuz they
thought a lot were runaways yeah and like a lot of them aren't MH um and so they did raise it to 17 so I did that
that made me proud amazing yeah so um and at the same time I had a child abduction prevention video that I
produced I heard about this wait so you did this as part of your program in school right I just as my senior
elective project okay I was in homicide at the time I hired a production crew and um I wrote the script it's so hard
to watch that now I look so unnatural I was so bad but I was in my suit and trying to look all grown up the
still yeah the atache but I was like 28 trying to look 48 and um I looked 25 actually but do the tips still hold true
today um except for the technology advancement so one of them was and I wish they just taught this regularly
because it's such a helpful tip and I'll share it with your your listeners um what and we do what to do what not to do
um reenactments okay so all my friends kids were in this and all my nieces and nephews and so if your kids riding a
bike you have to teach them first not to approach the car but now that they've approached the car what do they do to
defend themselves so that's what the video is for okay we teach them what not to do but if they do it how do they get
out of it cuz nobody was teaching that um they're supposed to wrap their arms and legs around around the frame of the
bike because when they try and pull you through the window they can't get them through and
they have to drop you and get out and go around it gives you time to get away to
scream to make noise they're not able to just pull you off your bike into the car
which is that happens um so I had all of these I even used from Mel bigs um they
had said she went out to get ice cream mhm and they found the two quarters laying on the sidewalk you know M and so
I got a tape with ice cream Tru music on it and I had a scene where a scary looking dude who is actually just part
of production nice guy um put it in his little tape deck and he's driving down the road playing the ice cream music in
a residential neighborhood and kids are just running out of the houses that's terrifying that that would be an easy
Ploy wouldn't it so I was trying to get parents to think yeah and Spark these conversations yeah and always lived as
though I lived next to a pedophile because you don't know so so with my three daughters if they wanted to sleep
over I'm like for sure here at my house yeah you can invite as many of your friends as you want we've got a
trampoline we got a pool it'll be fun here here because you never know when there's a creepy cousin or a teenage
brother's best friend over right because when serial killers get started a lot of
them start stretching their legs and their teens and they usually will use somebody um younger or easier to subdue
to to control and that can be little sister yeah so um yeah I was always very aware wild MH are there any other like
must no tips from the video H sorry it's been so long um my youngest was in a a baby carrier in it and she's like 25 do
they have the same gift you do they all have the same gift not to the intensity that I do they're still young but I
don't think they got hit like I got it from both sides of my family oh okay they grew up knowing what being roofied
was and yeah um I I just raised them to know these things and to stay with their
friends and keep an eye on their friends and get security at the bar if your friends slurring or being dragged
anywhere or being walked out by some guy you don't know stop them you know don't
worry about offending somebody beud stay alive that's what we say right I always
say I always said that to my kids I'm like you can scream you can claw do whatever you need I will be okay with it
I have your back so it's not your job to make anyone feel comfortable or like you
like them or whatever being polite has made probably for the majority of child victims because they don't want to um
hurt somebody's feelings and um so the Mel bigs case that really bothered me it was like a 30second window that it was
narrowed down to like her sister came right back the little sister Kimber went home told her mom she's like don't leave
your sister alone go back she goes back gone and she's gone it was that fast and
they were just a few houses down this that residential street and were you ever able to to feel see anything I
wasn't working cases when I heard about that case mind you I'm tainted I saw too
much I will only work cases where I don't know anything oh interesting I have to go in blank otherwise I don't
know what I saw in a television special and what I'm picking up on and so I try and teach my students that I'm like if
you know anything about the person you're reading you're not the right medium for them because you're going to
weave in things that you already know and you don't know how much of that you're going to contaminate it you can't
give a clean reading so because uh I knew who Mel was cuz it was all over the news in Arizona um I couldn't I
could never work it so I had to go to another U medium which is how I found the mentor that I had and went to one of
her psychic circles to see if any of those psychics could tell me anything and this is all while I'm in homicide
and I wasn't there that long CU I was just an intern so um yeah that's sort of that's how it unfolded but you're you
said you've like you've reti fired from All Things um so hard cuz I did it for so long I know so much about it and what
they need and and how to extract the information and how to sit with somebody that I think is a suspect and get them
to screw up yeah um it was hard to walk away but we found human remains on a pilot I shot that didn't get picked up
I'm like Cav dogs hit on the spot like you guys the police wouldn't dig I was running into roadblocks um on cases that
I was working where even the one I worked for on Oprah was a Jackie Hartman case she was a 19-year-old that
disappeared out of Gilbert and um I I she gave me this to look at and I wrote down I said this is sexually motivated
it's a date rape gone wrong um uh she's NE she's near a Habachi like a barbecue out in sort of a deserty area and she
was like rolled down the hill um out of the car and he didn't know he was going to kill her when he took her and um it
was because she had fought back in this case and they were like her body hasn't been found yet when will she be found
and I said two weeks and 13 and 1 12 days later they found her remains and cuz I seem to be pretty good at being
able to get a time frame on finding remains and sometimes that was the only um solace I could give uh parents but I
just I needed to live a life yeah I needed to think of something other than than murder but I do still brush up on
forensics to see what's new out there yeah do you like do you do uh do you teach others do you like I mean how do
you pass along all the stuff that you've learned over the years I seriously I wish it law enforcement can work more
hand inand but at what I was saying with the Jackie Hartman case is um gilber PD
was talking to my guy that I was interning with at the time and he's like they said you were exactly right on like
everything you said and um and then the chief above them came down and put the kabash on it because they were wanting
to reach out to me and so I'll get police that I have a good relationship with but the higher ups that don't want
it being publicized that they've worked with the psychic and I had this happen with the Texas Rangers too
we'll try and put the kabash on it um unfortunately with the Rangers the show I was on Paul aon's a bit of an
investigative reporter and she found the people that were like oh yeah she totally worked with them she's like why
do you think they're liars and I'm on the air I'm like I want to go to Texas again eventually I I said uh so you like
come in and you do the work and everything's like great and then everyone just wants to pretend like you
weren't there didn't do it and then cuz I was too high-profile like they didn't want that connection which is is it
still that way even years later I mean I don't work murders anymore I just you ever want to um you know I'd have to
have things my way the resources would have it have to be done in my vision because I know what works yeah um I also
know there's a timing to things and sometimes living people's lives need to be affected by them finding the remains
how it sends them down a path of um Discovery in their own lives so so I'm not on the other side I don't call the
shots I have to trust that there's a timing to finding remains and how it affects the living um and am I meddling
with that so um being able to tell parents when they can find a body if they're going to find the body was
helpful just so they know that they could bury him but even in that case the dad was highly religious and he wasn't
happy that his family went on the show and and let me profile that case so does it like Eat You Alive like I feel like
if I had a gift I would want to know the answers to everything you get really tired yeah work like seeing so much all
the time to know what it feels like to be in a pedophile's mind to know what it feels like to be in Ted Bundy's head you
know or dmer no after a while and my friend Adrien Curry she won America's Next Top Model the first season she was
like the really loud one I thought she was very entertaining but she always said if I had what you have I'd do it
constantly which is easy to say when you're not doing it when you're doing it it you're literally dying a little each
time you give yourself away to someone else so they can feel better so even when I do readings for my clients I give
it everything I've got I'm exhausted afterwards because I just died like I got shot or I had lung cancer like cuz I
feel the essence of what they went through and uh and it takes me a while to to clear
myself again yeah and I I couldn't do it all the time especially with the murder
and the rape details that you have to become privy to but it's more getting in the criminal's head it makes me sick who
is the scariest person like what that you got into their head um I mean God there's been so many I I think the one
that scared me the most and it was because he was sitting 5T away from me was the first case I wor
so remember I told you how I did jury selection I'm in the courtroom and the law student she was killed with a
baseball bat he was a minor league ball player um that overstay his Minor League
Baseball like he was here for baseball he had a Visa he was here illegally okay so we overstated it and um uh he was he
saw her she was right across the hall from him and he and he really wanted her um and so he took her on the day they
were being evicted anyways he killed her in a very gruesome way I'm sitting in the courtroom 5T from
him and he starts licking his lips and blowing me kisses and I could feel his energy and her fear and I'm just sitting
in this moment I wanted him bad I wanted to put him on death row I wanted him gone I didn't want him getting out on a
loophole um and killing somebody else so I see putting somebody away forever as protecting people yeah so
when he was doing that it was really uh creeping me out and he was so close and he knew who like he he could recognize
me yeah um his family was he had some family that showed up and uh um it took me a while to shake that but the beauty
of that was they were losing a juror and I looked at uh my friend and I said you're losing juror number whatever
number it was I said she's thinking he might not uh be as violent is you're saying like she's one of those Neverland
people I'll just call him that yeah and um I said you have to you have to show them what he's made of and she was like
how am I going to do that and I said you're 5' 10 he's 5' five 56 at best I said you he hates women you need to get
in his face and so she goes over to him she was so great she goes if you've never seen the face of evil you're
looking at it now and she's standing over him and putting his finger in his face and he's in shackles like ankle
Andrus and he jumps up in his shackles and tries to like go after her what a moment got the jury right there it's
like dude you did that one to yourself cuz we I could feel we were losing one of our jurs wow and he would be out
there so very gratifying so what's life now if you're if you if you're if you've
stepped away from solving crimes what does life look like now this other phase your your retirement I took a vacation
for the first time in 20 years without working really where'd you go uh we went our 30th Anniversary we went to the
Bahamas oh wow which was really nice and then we went to Paris with our daughter
Sophia oh nice and we took her there and that was I didn't know what it felt like
to get on a plane and not go to work it actually scars you a little bit you know
and um so takes me a few days to even relax um but I definitely couldn't do vacation more than like five or six days
I always have too much going on you come up with new ideas you're like I need to do this it's like it's
rejuvenating you got to hit the right Point like between feeling like revived and then being like if I don't actually
like do something with all the things like I'm going to go crazy yeah and in Paris you drink a lot of wine I was like
I'm sort of sick of wine now I want I want a Vaga drink or something something different but we had a great time it was
Springtime in Paris very beautiful so um I came back all rested two years ago I had an idea that I wanted to create and
I know that I'm known on the housewives with my ginormous martini glass um is that what was next to you it was a
martini glass I thought it was like a I thought it was a margarita okay first of
all they furnished those I didn't show up with a backpack with a martini glass in it for my own special trough of
martinis uh they tried to make my lavender lemon drop that I always drank at Polo Lounge I never suck Kyle at the
Polo Lounge for the record I used to be there all the time with my friends but they make the best lavender lemon drop
if you're in La go to the Polo Lounge ask for it phenomenal okay um and so they were trying to replicate it it
turned out to be more of a jungle in a glass I don't know what the hell they put in it but so I'm I'm I'm drinking
that and I I look at the picture and I'm memes like people love sharing the memes
of me he will never emotionally f you know that like all of that and so I thought I have this University where I'm
teaching mediums how to be better and and for them to practice with each other and all that but I also have a professor
of Earth Magic Margaret Jameson um she's granny Magic Online okay she's great and she was an
Appalachian granny descendant so anybody that knows anything about the Appalachia
not me knows it was like the mountain women that came over from Europe when they were sort of more settling America
still um and they were in like the mountains of Virginia and West Virginia I believe don't quote me I'm really bad
at geography but they were the women that birthed the babies and grew herbs and made medicines out of them and saves
and would say sort of incantations right sign me up I know nothing about this when I'm in right so
I Margaret sends me um the oil that she makes which was um there's like a love and there's a success um ingredients and
I was like God I wish this was in vodka so I thought I should make vodka potions and so I uh started getting all
my liquor licenses a year ago I be you know got my distributor license as well and uh one handsome bastards my
distillery in Scottdale lady own and they're making the vodka and I spent a couple years studying the properties
that would go into each of those formulas that would be the most effective like I was going on my feeling
of which one would like bring more love or more draw more money or success to you so the QR code on the bottle is
going to take people to a website that has videos of me showing how to set a proper intention because people tend to
do it wrong they say I wish or I hope that never works it has to be I will and you have to mean it so I put the
ingredients in there to enhance people's desires of what they want in their life
so they could start taking control of their own life and drawing these things to them so I have my love my money
potions what I brought you today oh I'll take it yes you got the first bottle actually that's a sample yeah I'm so
excited and then um I'm doing the um Love Potion is being distilled now and then I'm going to create a um
Resurrection potion it thins the veil so you can communicate with the other side
when you go to sleep that's the one I want so I'm really excited about this and I tested the oils on my daughters
which are a different formula than what I actually came up with I did it differently because I wanted it to taste
good and um my daughter went on a ski appri like up an 80s style with all of her girlfriends I'm like great I'm like
Take This Love Potion tincture with you put it in each of their vodka drinks set
intentions with them because when there's a group of women it's really a coven so you're collectively setting
your energy intentions so when you're saying I will um I will draw a million dollars as your I will draw $5 million
or I I will find that success your friends are saying Ashley will Ashley will or she will and you just say it
three times okay so it's sort of like a prayer for the people that get a little funny about it it's more like a prayer
and it's what we do to cleanse ourselves as mediums when we're done in the shower
down the drain away from me down the drain away from me down the drain away from me and you visualize the illness or
the sadness going down the drain until through a pipe till you can't see it any longer it's off in the distance it's
away from you and you feel 20 lbs lighter it's amazing your listeners should try it I think they're so there
such power in words yes and intention like what you're saying and and to your point about religion and however people
find it because I grew up very religious sure not quite anymore yeah um but I I think that's what it prayer is is like
is when you get enough people together who are it's a collective energy yes Collective energy I completely believe
that yes and so I thought it would be fun for women at bachelorette parties yes to do together and maybe even brides
and grooms to have a little sip of it after they say their vows after words to set their love intention with one
another for life you know and just sort of just the two of them like have a moment and so I think I think people are
going to love it I'm pretty excited about it but my daughter went on the ski appra and um they all tried it and two
of the girls the next day their crushes texted them and said they did and they said would you like to go on a date so
now um her friend are like ordering it by the box right well they're going to be doing a photo shoot this weekend so
they were all like we'll do it for Mama duah for sure mama duah she wasn't a sority I got a lot of girl now um but
one of the girls is still dating the guy and he's her boyfriend like they're serious so I'm really excited and happy
someone said her intentions right I love that oh my God I'm so excited I'm excited too so I might make a Protection
One let's oh wait Diana's talking from outside let's bring it in I want to do this the vka has made in Scottdale okay
so this is I love it it's a little home for me I know I love it so this is American made Arizona conjured love wait
so what do I have to do I have to do an intention right so think about since this is the money potion think about
what you want to draw in it doesn't have to be money it could be any form of success in your life so what would your
success look like now if you were to draw it to do you my success would be being able to do what
I'm doing but have more time for my family finding a balance balance yeah that's
true success cuz right now I'm I'm in a grind yeah and I'm I'm killing myself to
do it and I'm doing it well and it's working right but I can't like this isn't and and I've been there so I I
empathize sympathize with you that's a hard one choosing yeah and so I think I want I don't I want to I I want to have
it all yeah and you can yes you actually are yes having it all so you want to get
to a place in your career where you can maybe consolidate things down maybe not spread out as many days so that you can
spend more days in a row with your family um so the success would have to do with prioritizing your family so I
will prioritize my family over work but then you'd be afraid you're going to hurt your work like would your work go
down then because the universe is giving you what you want for your family you have to be very careful when you set an
intention so let's stay with I will find a a balance between um my success and and my family or between my podcast and
my family however you want to word it yeah a balance between my my work my family and myself because I because I
think I'm good at actually giving my family time it's just I'm nowh I find balance so we'll do this and then you
take a take a sip hold it in your mouth swallow it and then say I will and name that three times okay ready
cheers I will find balance I will find balance I will find balance this is actually really good
yeah right it is right I can't I I don't drink alcohol straight this is I've never had a vodka that I could sip I've
never either when you told me we were going to when they said we're not mixing with anything I was like a oh I don't
just drink shots of vodka but you can taste the actual like berries Rosary or like oh I don't know what's in it but oh
it's good there um there's some bay leaf in it oh it's good and um each of the things that are grown in gardens
represent something that it will help you draw into your life and so I put in the ingredients and they're all organic
because I'm funny that way too um but actual like blackberry and bay leaf and other
ingredients freaking good oh I like it too oh I know I like it what's your current
intention so for me um it's so funny breaking D Vodka it's sort of not not typical right and M's a vodka potion
who does that I do of course um my intention would be more for the Vodka okay that this uh will grow divination
22 will become sort of a household name people will find their power people will
find and draw to them um success and love in life like I want all of these things for other people cuz I've married
30 years to love of my life and like my youngest points out she's like sorry Mom
we don't all trip over them when we're 20 in a bar and I was like oh me too I feel bad for you just kidding I'm just
kidding just kidding but I want that for people but I also want people to have that money success and what they need to
remember is you can't say I want to win the lottery I've had people said they're
like I want to win it's like no yeah what are you going to take what Vision do you have that you're going to create
and and make into a something in the physical world that you're going to put energy into um that the Universe can
help you make successful what is your vision so that's what this is for not for the lottery you don't get a
scratcher and do a shot what's the name mean so divination um to Divine you're divining something out of energy okay so
divine was already so common when you Google it there are already too many businesses just being honest I was like
divination I'm like classier anyways divination totally and then my Dad's passing affected me and it was part of
my journey because I predicted his death I knew he was going to die at 67 of a massive heart attack um what is that
like to know something like that horrifying did you tell him or do you keep that to yourself I sent him to all
the heart specialists I think he knew when I did that I'm like Dad you need to go get your heart checked and he was a
professional Ballroom dancer for 50 years so everyone's like your dad's in great shape he's so healthy and I was
like I heard that voice and it said he's going to die at 67 of a massive heart attack and this was two years before so
mad but it um they checked his heart they said he looked great I had to get the medical examiner report after his
passing after the autopsy I had to see it it said clear signs of heart disease so I knew that his passing was s Stone
and it was part of my path I needed to know what it felt like for my clients to lose somebody so close to you that you'd
feel that pain yeah and so I got it and I know my dad would be happy because it helped a lot of other kids out there
because I wrote chapters on how to deal with that kind of grief but um it's so funny my dad always sort of wanted a
little bit of Fame and he sure as [ __ ] got famous in my books are you able to still see him communicate um he helps me
do readings I I actually Incorporated him into my daily life I'll say Dad can you um turn up their volume and focus
their energy with the dad that he's there with um and if my living has low energy I'm like can you do that for them
and he adjusts their energy for the reading can you can you ever change something that you see so if you have a
vision like that can can it be changed I here's what I learned with that it was such a hard lesson to learn um I always
thought I had control because I would tell someone to fasten their seat belt like a client when they got in their
their car and they roll their car on the freeway you know I wouldn't see them rolling their car but it was a feeling
of them needing to put the seat Bel on and they're like you or I'll say get your chest scanned and they find the
beginning stages of breast cancer and they would remove it so I was seeing all these people that I was I thought saving
yeah when I was really just being used as an instrument I'm one of many instruments in the world they could have
whispered in the husband's ear that said to the wife you should get a mamogram or
something like go get checked out like they work through us the other side Works through us to save those that
don't have to go my dad's was set in stone and what that means is there was nothing I could do to save him so um
sometimes the death has to happen to cause a ripple effect of good for many they're almost sacrificial lambs and I
hate that but they seem to be because no mother would willingly give up her child
Amber hegerman that died but for that little girl how many countless other children would have been been saved and
seniors now cuz they have the silver alert you know so each one of us can make a difference and I say to people
don't live a life that had no real meaning leave this world in a better place than you found it leave it with
something change people help people um inspire people you know help them to live better do something don't go
through life as a a filler you know so yeah not everybody's here for greatness but that doesn't mean they can't be
great in their life I completely agree I always tell people like I always I always wanted I wanted a big life but
I'm like that doesn't mean that I don't think like my mom like I like mean my mom my mom had a small life but it was
the most beautiful and she like was is so happy and she got everything she wanted and she would have been miserable
with the big life right and but but you you can I think you can be important with a small life or a big life
absolutely there are some mothers and fathers out there that I bring through that were everything to their kids and
they were the best parents so when I say like live this life of um abundant love
yeah um it doesn't matter if somebody believes in a religion on the other side I bring through atheists all the time
but the thing that they all have in common is that they loved they connected emotionally with people they had big
hearts they were characters they were the funny one they were the relative that you look forward to seeing cuz
Uncle Don's going to put that funny paper hat on and do the dance that makes everyone laugh you know I mean the
characters that energy vibration is so high of frequency the dead can connect with them so much easier because they're
the same the similar frequency low frequency people people who don't love people who don't try people who aren't
there for friends um people who are selfish I'm interested to see in the next 10
years what the hell's going to happen to the tech generation oh my God you were just saying this on the podcast episode
I listened to yes because you were saying that they there isn't that kind of connection that they had in former
generations and you're like I don't know I've never seen this before and I've always had my finger on the pulse of
what's going on in the country or the world you know when Guitar Hero was big I started bringing through young guys
that we're like playing guitar here you guitar I know they're having fun and I watched young people go from dying in
car accidents to fentanyl fentanyl every week I'm bringing through someone that died a fentanyl they need to do
something about that you'll take your memories with you yeah of your children falling in love with your husband you'll
go back to the age that you fell in love uh you'll go back to when your kids were
little um you'll be on the other side replaying those moments as though they happened for the very first time for
you so I think what people don't realize there is we're helping our loved ones create their versions of heaven right
here right it's so funny you said that cuz a couple weeks ago I had this moment where I was sitting in my front lawn
with my daughter and my dog and I was like oh man I think this is like the happiest I might ever
be that'll be there for you on the other side and you'll relive it happen it's okay no I know how I know
how you feel like it's so beautiful to know you have that like you're going to have all of that on the other side and
you're still creating those moments you know you're so lucky I blame the vodka I want you to remember how lucky
you are every day every day well to to living a full life to not being a filler being Full Throttle to not being a
thrott filler I'll drink to that and fillers can stop being fillers right now they can engage in life you
were talking about a balance yeah the selfie girl that's what she needed but she probably won't find it you know they
and um I'm so happy for you I love it when I meet someone that's in love and they have beautiful healthy kids um we
are the luckiest people on the planet and I never ever take that for granted but I yell at my husband sometimes and
I'll get in those moments you know we're not perfect um and those are moments that I'll bring people through and I'll
say your mom says she misses bantering back and forth with with your dad because they'd fight and then they'd
kiss and it was like their thing you know I love that spicy I love that oh sometimes I see things where I'm like no
thanks too much scandalous I had a woman I brought through and she was a former cop and I
was bringing her through for her cop boyfriend and he loved her like they had a very rich life I'm sure together and
um she was describing the lingerie that was his favorite and and showing it to me and I was just like no thank you
ma'am I was like feeling what she was feeling I'm like no oh no did not ask did not ask I was like I don't really
want to be in this moment with the two of you it feels kind of private all right so where can people find you find
everything you're doing find the Vodka like give me all the things Allison du.com or they can email me at booking
Allison du.com do readings for anyone um they get vetted okay okay okay cuz we got to weed
some of them out you know but um yes I do them every week does everyone cry like me even though you didn't even do a
reading often well I make people feel I evoke the feeling of what they know to be true and their soul and I love that
know that's beautiful Heaven's within you you can feel it um and then I have dead university.com if they want to sign
up for classes is that and is that for anyone or someone who like knows they have a gift you know here's the thing
most people don't know I'll put it this way if you know who's calling before you
answer the phone and you're right probably have the gift oh um is this pre iPhone when I like have call ID though
yeah well or no no no or if the doorbell rings and you just know who's there or you feel that your mom's in trouble you
feel like something's wrong and it turns out you're right or you try and get them
to the doctor and they find a problem you have abilities so a lot of people don't understand it CU we only know our
own perspective that's all we know um so if you have any of that I've got a mediumship class I have Earth Magic for
potion making and spells for people who practice Earth Magic they're sort of the
garden witches if you will can can anyone be one of those sign me the [ __ ] I know I know Margaret my husband is
going to be so excited can men be can men be I have men no it's great and she shows you like she grows her own sage
and sweet grass and everything that she infuses in her you're going to love her so granny magic
is what she's on in this is how I balance by way magic that's good no that's really
good and um and so then I'm going to have uh divination 22 vodka big thirst is who I'm talking to to try and get it
um online so that people can order over you know in other states cuz I'm just releasing it in Arizona first I'm a
HomeTown girl Arizona is where I got my li they chose a weird one I'll take it it's a fork whatever
it's all good um so they're going to be able to find it in Arizona um check out my website okay al.com alison.com for
updates do you do social um my daughter set up the Instagram from divination 22 vodka and it'll have its it has its own
website but it's not public yet you're the first person get out outside of my family to ever try divination 22 so I
brought this all the way from Scottdale Arizona y'all for you to try and so um I'm actually going to leave it with you
so that you can practice um with your husand oh dude he's going to love he loves this that'll be fun I'm going to
read the thing that I'm supposed to read at the end of every episode that I should have beened by now but I
absolutely do not oh and the dead life go listen to my podcast the dead life sorry too many irons in the fire it's on
Apple Spotify you can find it anywhere there's a lot of like numerology stuff like we didn't even like scratch the
surface today so if you guys found this conversation interesting thank you there
is so much more there literally everyone in our office has gotten real into it I
have death douas I have hospice nurses that are there at the moment the spirit leaves the body I like to have different
people from different walks of life perspective on death and the afterlife to try and make it less scary for people
so that we don't fear death and terrified now and we live 100% I I'm going to hit the back catalog cuz like
it's one of the things that I just recently started getting real scared about because you have children you have
something to lose and you'd be afraid that they won't remember you like if they're too young you worry they're not
going to remember you then they get older and you're like will I be at their wedding this is a process it's part of
motherhood so any women out there that are worried about those things it's not because you're about to die it's about
being a mother and you fear the things that you see other children go without yeah and you don't want that it's so
funny cuz my husband he's always like and I know we're like overtime so sorry guys but um my husband he's always like
I just like when I die no one will like I won't have made an impact or no one will remember me and I'm like I don't
care if I [ __ ] Str like I love you guys who listen but like I don't [ __ ] care if strangers know me but I'm like
that doesn't bother me at all like I don't think about the same thing he does you can't really care what people who
wouldn't be at your funeral think of you that's how I look at life if I don't love you enough that and you don't love
me enough that you'd be at my funeral you don't give a rat's ass what those people think that's how I live life even
famous people have a lot of people at their funeral in my mind I'm like there's a there's a few people who like
I I care about what they think of me like day to day and if I respect them enough to be like oh if their view of me
changed like it would rock me so with your followers it can be sometimes a little different or like cousins or
somebody more on the periphery you want to engage with your listeners and it's important and we value and respect them
but when you get that and they know what I'm talking about like an online troll or something that's like telling you um
this I've gots so do I Ashley maybe they should get together and go to happy hour right
so um I don't care what those people think Kyle's not part of my heaven I could give a [ __ ] about Housewives
honestly I don't care I do tell people I was like I and I there's a difference I
am so grateful for the people who show up every week and who listen mostly because of what we're trying to do it's
the mission behind and I need them to make a difference in the case they can show up but I'm like they Vibe with your
energy though they Vibe with your thoughts and and it's telling you that there's something that they want to
learn that you have to offer that's a beautiful thing and but I think that like what I care about is they care
about what I'm talking about not me and I I always felt like if I give too much they love you for your mind love you for
your big mind I always felt like if I gave them too much power the people who love me
you can't give them power without giving to the people who hate you you can't like you you know what I mean like you
can't just not read the bad comments cuz when you see one it's going mean everything see I'm further down the line
I was when Instagram and all that came out for the first time in Twitter and Housewives dinner party from Hell hit I
was probably the first person to ever feel backlash on Twitter no way oh yeah from that dinner party I just was like I
walked away I actually my husband looks at my Twitter I don't even look at Twitter my husband i l had to get him
off Reddit like he was like he went into like almost damn near suicidal depression stop tell him to stop reading
things your daughters too because my daughters as they were growing up wanted to read things and they felt like they
had to defend me I'm like babies no I don't care you never have to defend me these are strangers these people don't
care about us they don't actually they're not part of our lives I'm like do not spend the energy on those people
er's always like what if it takes down the whole thing then I'm like then I find another job and I like no being
yourself is so important being authentic you and I don't mean like people on Instagram they're like oh my God be
yourself and then you go on housewives and you're yourself and all of a sudden they have something to say am I right
those are the worst people coexist it's like you guys are like not the best people can we start like a like like a
what's the opposite of the housewives show I just want to start a reality show where you and I just like go and talk
[ __ ] and drink vodka okay that would be amazing that would be amazing like no edit no edit people would love it but
man you would just have to hear everybody in the world's thought even you wouldn't though just don't read the
comments you would think there would be some things in life we all agree on like
pedophiles are bad we can't even get an amen to that no like what is that about so you have to know what you stand for
people who believe in nothing fall for anything so even if it's a belief in spirituality there is another side
there's life after death this isn't my freaking favorite episode so far I I meant to read the credits 10 minutes ago
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Chapters: 0:00 - 1:30 - Meet Allison 1:30 - 3:23 - Experience on Real Housewives 3:37 - 7:23 - First Experience 7:24 - 10:48 - How the dead come through 10:48 - 11:47 - Working with Wives 11:48- 17:05 - Growing Up with “The Voice” 17:10 - 19:00 - Wanting to put the bad guys away 19:01 - 19:51 - Love Intuition 19:52 - 21:36 - Pregnancy as a Medium 21:37 - 22:50 - Life in the Lab 22:50 - 26:43 - We are all alike 26:43 - 34:41 - Law Enforcement Involvement 34:41 - 38:59 - TV Show 38:59 - 41:56 - Profiling 41:50 - 45:06 - Cases that Have Stuck 45:50 - 49:46 - Child Safety 49:47 - 52:40 - Leaving it Behind 52:40 - 54:57 - Working with Families 54:57 - 58:51 - Getting in A Killer’s Heads 58:51 - 1:00:00 - Retirement 1:00:01 - 1:06:26 - Vodka Potions 1:06:26 - 1:09:48 - Ashley’s Intention 1:09:49 - 1:15:06 - Predicting a Loved Ones Death 1:15:07 - 1:17:02 - Today’s Generation 1:17:03 - 1:18:43 - Creating Your Afterlife 1:20:21 -1:21:00 - Are you a medium? 1:24:00 - 1:27:50 - Dealing with Hate Have you heard yet? Your newest obsession and the ultimate destination for 24/7 true crime, Crime Junkie Radio, is here and exclusive to SiriusXM’s app!

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Brief Summary

Allison Dua discusses her journey as a medium, solving cold cases, and her new vodka brand focused on intention-setting.

Key points

Allison Dua's Early Experiences. Allison shares her first encounter with the supernatural at a young age.
The Life-Saving Voice. Allison recounts how a guiding voice saved her life during a dangerous situation.
Extraordinary Testing Experience. After rigorous testing at the University of Arizona, I was deemed extraordinary and studied for four years.
The First Case. I assembled a jury for a brutal case, focusing on women who understood victimization.
Amber Alert Initiative. Initiated the Amber Alert in Arizona after a tragic case involving a murdered child.
The Power of the Amber Alert. The speaker discusses the importance of the Amber Alert system and its origins.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

I thought somehow it was going to fix him.

Allison's childhood misunderstanding of death.

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Tension

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