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true crime foreign California on Sunday July 23 1995. the parents of 15 year old Elise
pauler reported her missing to the San Luis Obispo Sheriff's Department her parents David and Lisa Ann reported
that the teen was last seen at her family's home when she left for unknown reasons
Elise was described as five feet seven inches tall and about 120 pounds she's Caucasian with shoulder-length
blonde hair and blue eyes in the coming weeks and months the local TV news and newspapers will remind the
public of the missing teen adding that family and friends had not seen nor heard from Elise since the
night of July 22nd the sheriff's department stated that they are attempting to locate the teen but say
that they have no leads there were several unconfirmed sightings of Elise again these are unconfirmed
the sheriff's department theorized she is still in the area possibly in South San Luis Obispo County area
as Christmas approached a tip came in the tipster stated that Elise was alive and traveling with a carnival in
Colorado this tip included a ray of Hope the caller said Elise might call home on
Christmas Day December 25th 1995 Christmas Day the polar family gathered as usual for a
big traditional Christmas dinner loved ones had presents under the tree for Elise
they waited all day for the telephone to ring bringing them the message they had
hoped and prayed for for months a call home from Elise saying she was all right and she was no longer missing
that call never came in January of 1996 after Elise was missing for over five months now her grandmother Elise whose
grandkids called her Nana made a public plea for her granddaughter to return home or at least to reach out and
communicate with her family in a letter released in several newspapers Nana addressed the letter to
my dearest Elise writing I miss you and I love you everyone is very worried and heartbroken because we don't know how
you are if you are happy warm well fed and healthy in closing Nana writes we can work it
out you can stay here with me until you want to go elsewhere please please just call me so we know you are alive
foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] ER was born April 24 1980 to parents David and Lisa Ann she would be the
oldest of four children her siblings are sisters Jennifer and Christina and her brother Ryan this was a happy big family
who loved one another and looked after each other the family was active in their church
and in their community Elise excelled at a very early age at painting and she was said to be a very
gifted person in the Arts this would continue throughout her life and in 1992 at the age of 12 Elise
finished first and took the girls beginner's title at the napomo tennis association's Junior singles tournament
in the summer of 1995 Elise was maturing now age 15 hanging out with other high school kids of course and like most
situations elise's parents knew most of elise's friends and schoolmates but not all of them as we said in the trailer
Elise was last seen at her home on the night of July 22nd reported missing the next morning by her parents the early
reports state that Elise left home for unknown reasons and then she was missing for days weeks and then months
as we almost always see in these cases the parents of the missing teenager and the sheriff's department have differing
opinions and theories as to what exactly has taken place the parents always fear
the absolute worst and law enforcement has to look at the known facts of the situation and any possible leads and let
those circumstances lead their theories and opinions some more detailed information would
eventually come out in this case and I think from this story and the information that comes out you can
possibly see why there was a difference in opinion here story that comes out and this is from
elise's Grandmother Elise Walter and it was reported in the Santa Maria Times newspaper and the report says the night
she disappeared Elise had been watching a movie with her family when she received a telephone call from a friend
at about 10 pm Walter said when Elise received a second phone call a few minutes later Walter said she abruptly
told her parents she was tired and was going to bed she said I love you and I'm going to bed
the phone call Walter said was from a boy who had been suspended from Arroyo Grande High School in March of 1995
after Elise told officials the boy had sold drugs though her father checked to make sure
Elise was okay after she went to bed a second check by one of elise's two sisters a short time later found pillows
had been stuffed under the blankets to make it appear that Elise was present Walter who has spent the past eight
months searching for Clues to the whereabouts of her granddaughter said Elise had snuck out of the house a few
times prior to her disappearance but had always returned the next day by Dawn when she didn't return home by the
morning of July 23rd elise's father called the Sheriff's Department so this is where I think we're seeing
the difference of opinions as far as the sheriff's department is concerned and her family is concerned right the family
is concerned because there are two phone calls that they are aware of that came into the house
just before she may have left on her own you know everybody knows the old trick we've seen it in the prison escape
movies we've seen kids do it in movies where you stuff a couple pillows or stuffed animals underneath the the
sheets or blankets to appear that somebody's sleeping in the bed but the family is concerned about the
phone calls and that she didn't come home the sheriff's department on the other end they're concerned about a couple of
things one it appears that Elise left the home on her own right to go off and do what we don't know but it appears
that she left on her own two it's already reported that that she has left the home several times before snuck out
in the middle of the night she was as her parents say and grandmother says running around with the with a bad crowd
at that time in her life and we have these unconfirmed sightings of her elsewhere
so police are looking at this going well she might have snuck out in the middle of the night she this time she may have
just run away and now we're seeing we have these sightings of her elsewhere now the the only issue I take with that
is a 15 year old blonde high school kid right I mean the dime a dozen right it would be easy to to
believe that you are seeing her somewhere and these are as said unconfirmed sightings no there's a
there's a lot of reports that she had a French door she she lived in a pretty big house and she was not
as close to the other rooms okay and for whatever reason they keep and almost every report I read they talk about how
that she had French doors um note to anybody that has French doors they're the easiest doors to break into
but they're also the easiest to sneak out of are they well I I don't know my home
growing up well one of the homes that I grew up in I don't know if it was the location of the of the door itself but
or if or if the French door was just quieter when it would open and close but that was my door of choice for sneaking
out was the French door yeah so just a safety note if you have French doors make sure that you have some other
um Locking System on them than what comes with them I also think um as far as the family goes with their gut
feeling when she's missing and the fact that they think that she is no longer with them I believe that is coming from
some kind of um maternal Instinct uh some gut feeling maybe not so much evidence but also as
parents and as law enforcement you have to go well what are these calls and what
is the motivation are these just calls that have nothing to do with the fact that she left the house
or are these uh individuals that are going hey come hang out with us come party with us is this a way to get her
out of the house so I don't know exactly what activities of elise's that her parents would have been aware of you
know what she was up to when she was not at home but it seems to me that the big question
mark in red flag that I have here is when we said law enforcement has to follow the leads has to take the known
information the known facts and come up with an opinion there it seems like the family has some
general knowledge of the person that called the home this doesn't seem to be like they're just like oh the phone rang
twice and we don't know somebody right because they're giving a little bit of a description of a boy who was suspended
from school we know that it was a boy you have to wonder did they in fact know the boy's name or
how much information did they know about this person that called and was it the same person that called twice that night
or two separate people that called right and if they did know this information I'm assuming giving their fears that
they stated early on we were fearing the worst um they were fearing that she was
murdered even when we have these sightings come in they still publicly stated that that was their fear and you
wonder again I think that's just a gut feeling yeah yeah and we see this where parents fear the worst in law
enforcement tries to keep a level head about it um but but hold on hold on not always
because sometimes uh law enforcement is going look we think there's Foul Play and you have a mother or a father saying
hey I I think she's still with us because they're hopeful well sometimes hopeful but sometimes their gut feeling
is telling them that their child is not passed on right you know and and you can't explain that now I understand some
of these sightings because a lot of these sightings are like very loosey-goosey where they're saying we
saw a blonde girl matching the description of the missing teen at a convenience store or at a store in this
area and we're talking about these sightings are actually in the same county right in which she was living so
this seems plausible I don't I don't know why and I don't mean to laugh because this is a tragic story that we
have to tell today well but you're an ass but the the story of she's alive and traveling with a carnival in Colorado
yeah uh super bizarre number one and like when when I'm finding information and looking for information of this
story and of this case tracking down our own leads I come across that and then I
have to like double check the year of the story because I'm like right this was 1995 right let me double check that
because that's something I would expect to hear like 1964. right she ran away joined the
carnival join the carnival well there was also rumors too that she left to go to LA right because she to be a movie
star yeah she I guess there were some rumors that she wanted to be an actress yeah it's just so sad when you review
this information and you even if the parents or the family did not believe that there was a chance of this
happening it's still sad to read the on Christmas day there was some kind of hint of hope that they were going to
receive a call from their missing daughter right and of course we know that that day came and went without any
communication from Elise to her family at all or my frustration with this is the idea that the family is saying that
we think our daughter has passed on now there's no evidence of that but I also wonder if this is a tactic by law
enforcement to go hey there's no evidence that there's Foul Play we're going to assume there's no foul play and
that causes them to do less work in general or they believe some of the sightings
that are coming in right the the troubling thing though is look her elise's parents publicly state that they
believe someone the caller the boy on the phone lured her out of the home that night and that the caller then is very
likely the one responsible for why she never came home after that right and so they were very public about this I mean
hell we spent all of last week discussing a case where someone called the home of a youngster and lured her
out of that home and into a a location where he could abduct her the tricky thing here is your your most hope is
probably coming at Christmas time even though she's already been missing for a few months we know that that call the
call that they were hoping for did not come in and that is when really I feel that the
Panic truly set in in this case in big time for the family because it's been months since anyone has last seen and
now her and now the hope is drying up her grandmother makes that very public plea on the news and in the newspapers
in January of 1996 and we heard a portion of that letter in the trailer now I can't say for certain which Theory
the grandmother was going with because I'm sure she was on board with the family but in that same letter she
praised the sheriff's department for all of their hard work and maybe she believed some of the unconfirmed
sightings out there as well yeah or possibly the rumor that she was going to call and then once the call didn't
happen she thought okay well if she's out there I'm going to put this statement out there if she's out there
she will make contact yeah and we didn't read the entire letter written to her missing granddaughter but but from top
to bottom it's a plea for Elise to call or to come home right so other than these unconfirmed sightings and the
rumors there was really not a whole lot going on with this investigation unfortunately there were in in fact no
real leads in this thing giving law enforce enforcement almost nothing to work with but this was a pretty safe
area fairly and you'll hear the people and read the people in the area talking about that area kind of changing during
the 90s there was a bad element to the area let's say right but almost when you thought nothing was
going to happen with this investigation that nothing was going to happen in the search for this young woman
something strange happened this is on March 14 1996 so after 15 year old Elise Pollard
had gone missing vanished into the night was missing for months a young man with
dark brown hair flowing halfway down his back he he's a thin young man five foot
ten inch frame he walks into the sheriff's department and he has an almost unbelievable story to tell
this is 17 year old Royce Casey Royce said a couple of his friends knew the missing girl then Royce
explained that he and those friends murdered Elise pauler now uncertain if the boy was telling the
truth the detectives asked him if he knew where the girl's body was located he said he did
they asked if he could take them to her he said he could and he did Royce Casey LED detectives to a rural area just a
little more than a quarter of a mile from where Elise had lived there sure enough just as the boy had said they
found a badly decomposed body foreign we're back cheers mates cheers to you Captain happy Halloween to
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few days but it would be on Monday March 19 1996 that publicly identification of
the body is announced to the public and they do state that this was the missing girl we have found 15 year old Elise
pauler law enforcement during this time while they're working to make that identification one they already believe
that it is her because they have this teenager who has the story to tell that that me and some friends killed this
teenage girl so they are in communication with elise's family and even before the identification was
announced publicly her father was in the paper stating they found Elise our fears
were confirmed right um but he also says too that there are going to be some details in this case
that comes out and when you hear them you won't believe them so he's getting detailed information from law
enforcement before that it's put out publicly he knows that once they get to an arraignment when they have their
first day in court to to officially charge anyone with any type of crime there will be some kind of details that
come out that day and that the public is going to be shocked at what they hear so he's aware of some of the confession
right let's call it that right some of my issue though she's found within a quarter mile of her house
you know that it seems like they should have had some search parties or something they should have found her
body way before this yeah so after the identification is made the information that comes out now mind you
at first the suspect or suspects will not be named publicly in fact the the boy that confessed he's not named
publicly for a couple days as well but what we end up learning is that 15 year old Elise pauler's body was discovered
about a quarter mile from her home she had been raped and murdered there left there eight months earlier by
acquaintances Jacob delish moot Joseph fiorella and Royce Casey the perpetrators Apparently returned to the
corpse and had sex with it on several occasions the body was located after Royce Casey confessed to the crime
following his conversion to Christianity so Royce Casey who had become estranged
from his one-time friends Joseph and Jacob he approached law enforcement officials
and made it admitted that he had helped kill the girl he led authorities to her decomposed corpse which they found
splayed out in a South County Eucalyptus Grove so she wasn't far from home but she was
well concealed the the confession is going to have to offer up more details than just that right
so what we would learn is that Royce states that the group got together and smoked some marijuana
after which we have delishmu reportedly strangled Elise with his belt while Joseph
fiorella stabbed her in the neck with a hunting knife and Casey Royce Casey held
her hands and arms then Casey and delishmoot then took turns stabbing the girl right I believe
she was stabbed 12 times you're exactly right the forensic Pathologists who examined the body testified later in
court that none of the 12 stab wounds were in fact fatal which indicated that Elise died by slowly bleeding to death
right authorities said that the three had engaged in sexual intercourse with the girls corpse investigators said
Fiorella's mother told them her son said Royce and Casey had engaged in sex with
the body and one of Jacob's friends testified that he he bragged about returning to the corpse
often saying to have sex with her yeah I actually didn't believe this at at first
thinking this is a very sick crime one to to kill anybody who's a sick crime but to then
come back to the corpse and have sex with it that and you know unless you're raping the
corpse but to have three individuals do this that sounded unbelievable to me but the fact
that then you were telling me well no it's be we know for a fact that they kept coming back to the corpse so that
made it make more sense yeah and the thing here too is as you said this this is weird and it weird to hear this I
mean we know that when we covered Ted Bundy and in some other cases as well that even when Ted admitted to a lot of
what he did he was not upfront about the acts of necrophilia that he was doing right and
that's where you see a unique situation where these young men they're they're bragging about probably the grossest
most disturbing part of this whole situation right but these are three Disturbed individuals anyways Disturbed
individuals and young individuals right you know they the three youths all together apparently told at least two
acquaintances of the murder itself but their Tales were dismissed as a fabrication that these people they heard
what these boys had to say you know friends of theirs or so-called friends of theirs right and they're like yeah we
didn't tell anybody because we just thought these idiots were lying right the story as
said sounded unbelievable apparently though pauler's killing had been plotted once before and this is
according to Royce Casey he tells law enforcement that not only did we kill her but we attempted to do
so on a previous occasion right he said that on on this one occasion Joseph fiorella and Jacob
delishmoot had tried to carry out this plan to kill Elise pauler in this plot which ended up
being similar to the one that that led to the girl's death Casey told investigators the trio
enticed pauler from her home and got her to walk to a spot on the Mesa where there was a Steep Ravine and
at this location one of the boys pretended to slip down the Ravine as a ruse to try to get
Elise pauler to walk down to the bottom of this Ravine right now apparently she didn't do what they
needed her to do for this plot to be carried out but even so Joseph fiorella then pulls out a knife he tosses it to
this is another individual that actually was not involved in the killing of Elise
pauler but this knife that that Joseph fiorella pulls out on this occasion ends up being
the same one that would later be used in her murder right now the other teen remember he throws this knife to this
other guy that other team he kind of panics and he just stood there he didn't he didn't do anything
and the other teen boys are shouting out do it do it you know they're trying to get him to initiate the attack on a
lease he does not do it and Casey Royce Casey tells law enforcement this sounds weird
that we're telling you the story of of you know another a failed attempt I guess right at her murder well then why
would she leave the house and go out with you and he told law enforcement he goes she probably just thought we were
goofing around right she didn't she wasn't aware we didn't State what we intended to do that day she didn't
really believe that there was any threat there these are teenagers getting high and acting like goofballs and she
probably just assumed that they were just idiots and they were goofing around well and these idiots were part of a
band right the band was called hatred yeah which which gives you an idea of of what kind of music they were playing
and probably at what um at what talent level they were probably playing this music yeah I think it's
funny I heard a couple people uh one reporting on this say I think that's a good band name I think it's a shitty
band name but that's just my hatred we're called that it sounds like a very 10 year old 12 year old we're going to
join the metal band what are you going to call it hatred well and what I couldn't figure out
Captain what I was trying to find was how legit was this band right because when you're in high school everybody
knows somebody that's always forming a band that never forms it doesn't ever practice they never practice they don't
have any real music half of the people that are supposed to be in this band don't have any
instruments or equipment but I guess based off the confession he he did say uh that during some rehearsals I believe
or during some practices or again that could not be a practice it could just be hanging out at somebody's house and one
guy has a guitar there um because I've had you know back in my day I've had band practices like that
and we're going to go over to jam and you show up and there's one guy with a guitar right
um but that's kind of where you know this obsession with her kind of began or how he heard about it anyways
yeah and the whole band thing is important to this case for several reasons look Joseph fiorella was 16
years old Royce Casey was 18 and Jacob delish moot was 17. the state wanted to try them as adults
for their roles in The Killing and for the acts that They carried out afterwards
and the important thing here for the state is they need to present this to the public and say look this is how
Disturbed and this is how messed up these kids are they're they're super violent we don't want them on the
streets ever again because of what we know about this murder in these crimes it's not safe for anybody for for any of
these three to be walking around out in society yeah I mean this is a premeditated murder again this is a this
is a torturous murder then then the torture to the corpse afterwards I mean this is
Beyond heinous so the state puts forward to the public some of the details about
the crimes stating that the defendants said that they needed to commit a sacrifice to the devil to give their
heavy metal band hatred the craziness to go professional apparently part of their
part of the The Plea here will be a full confession where you're going to hear in
my opinion what would be several motives for this murder and one of it being that
they wanted to sacrifice a virgin to the devil to make their band play better to
make them get a contract to make them be a a big band and one of the bands that they idolized was the band Slayer right
and anybody that's familiar with their music you know what you're getting into and I
don't want to this is not going to turn into an old man rant here because as the
captain will will vouch for me on I I grew up a big fan of a lot of metal bands what you would call death metal
um I was never into Slayer but um before though right yeah Metallica yeah I mean
I don't wanna I don't want to disrespect anybody I never considered them one of the big four I almost feel like because
of the tragedy with Pantera that the Slayer may have got elevated right to the big four also when you're putting
together that tour you gotta line up whoever's willing to go and by default somebody may become part of the big four
I don't think anybody would argue that the other three are the big three right so well and look if you offer 10
times that I get to see Pantera or Slayer 10 out of 10 times I'm going to go see Pantera oh 100 percent
unfortunately another detail to the confession was that Elise pauler cried out for her mother when she was attacked
and she was on the ground praying to God and calling for her mom in these Savages
just continued to attack her anyway yeah and I think this is some of it is you know the
the crossroads story well Robert Johnson goes to the crossroads meets the devil signs his soul away and and
supposedly these guys were talking in in chat rooms about this and these I guess they were like satanic
or occult chat rooms and the people of the chat rooms were saying well look if you if you sacrifice
somebody then you could have these powers so you have that going on Plus there's they're in a shitty band and
they're shitty musicians and they're shitty people all around us pieces of [ __ ] well and
you know what was weird too was I couldn't find anybody that said that they had ever seen the band play
anywhere like there were some other teenagers that seemed to be aware of this band right probably just hearing
these boys talk about it and boast about it we we already know that when it comes
to murder and other sick acts that these three certainly had no filter they were
too young and too dumb to not keep quiet about what they had done right um so with the with the band thing who
knows if it was even the real deal or not but we do know that that was what the claims were the the public claims were
that they wanted to sacrifice a virgin to earn them a ticket to hell and to become this big band now the
representation for one of these boys would state that a lot of this a lot of these allegations were grossly
overstated and some of them were flatly without any factual support right stating these allegations are intended
to inflame public opinion again we need these three guys to be tried as adults and fortunately that's
what takes place all three of these 16 17 year old 18 year old they're going to be tried as adults for their roles in
The Killing and eventually all three of them would plead no contest to her murder right and this was this was not
an easy or short Court proceedings but what it led to was a plea of no contest to her murder and
all three of them are imprisoned and serving 26 years to life for each one of these so
hopefully but none of these three get out of prison right but there is that option
that could happen I'm not clear though so we get the one guy that confesses yeah what was his name again sorry
um Royce Casey yeah he's the main guy in this case he comes forward he confesses
but it seems like the other two then confess I just want to be clear about that did
they end up confessing as well I mean it appears that way right it appears that way but what we do know is
that they pled no contest right so they're not going to fight the charges basically and Royce Casey he comes
forward because he converted to Christianity he's he saw the light found God so he's hanging out with these
numbnuts right and they're doing stuff satanic stuff occultist stuff and then they're they're listening to the this
death metal music and then they decide and one of the members has this obsession with her
so therefore we're going to lure her out of her home at night and we're gonna kill her
have sex with the body and then one of them at some point I I don't think it's as simple as that
he just found Christianity I also think he was convinced that the other two were
going to kill again and possibly kill him so I I don't think it's as simple as look I found God and look at me I I'm
the righteous one I'm the one confessing I think part of this was to save his own
ass it could be I mean I can't see what's going on in the the mind of Royce Casey but what has been reported is that
he he found God and he wanted to own up to what he was a part of um he now we might just be getting his
version of the events but as you stated they they pled no contest we would get public statements from the other two
eventually that would make it sound as though they've confessed on some level elise's parents David and Lisa Ann
pauler they would later claim that the Slayer songs postmortem and dead skin mask from the album's rain and blood in
seasons in the abyss gave the three killers detailed instructions to stalk rape torture
and commit acts of necrophilia right so this is a lawsuit that is filed and technically it was filed twice now both
times the lawsuit was thrown out himself stated in a Washington Post interview quote the music is destructive
but that's not why Elise was murdered she was murdered because Joe fiorella was obsessed with her and obsessed with
killing her we do know that David pauler stated to the newspaper shortly after the arrest
of the three young men that he believed that his daughter was being stalked by these three boys they were in fact
acquaintances and what little he knew about these boys he could say at one time Elise rode the same school bus as two of
the three now we have a situation where these three boys are they're living a different life than
what Elise was and we do know that she might have been running around with the wrong crowd at that time just being 15
years old but one of these boys in fact attended a different school was was a member at a private school right the
other two boys rode the same bus as Elise and it was these two boys that her father David believed were stalking her
they were maybe obsessed with her we don't know what level of friendship or relationship that they had but the two
boys that rode the school bus with her at one point they were certainly in and out of trouble leading up to this at the
time of her murder neither of those boys were still attending that same school because they'd got in so much trouble
that they were told they had to leave right one of them I believe was already enrolled in another school somewhat in
the area and then the other boy was attending homeschool cool well on top of just playing in the band
and being kicked out of school these kids had some drug use as well correct correct they were selling drugs and I
don't know what drugs they were pushing but we do know at the very least that they used marijuana to lure her out of
her home that night to go and well I think they were doing guys opioids and or no not opioids uh amphetamines well
and that's where I referenced the bad element in the area there were several people that after this confession and
after these men were put away that stated hey you know marijuana is one thing but we were seeing opioids
amphetamines we were seeing uh crack and crystal meth being introduced to the area and and
people a lot of people partaking in those activities and I understand why the parents sued
Slayer or why they tried to sue Slayer because especially this story it seems like all
all the individuals were saying well we all listen to Slayer and and that might be a part of the equation
you get these idiot kids one's obsessed with this girl they're going into these chat rooms
I think on some level maybe these chat rooms are a little more responsible you know than than a Slayer record would
be but also believe in freedom of speech and I also believe in capitalism and if
you have a band singing songs about shitty things that you know you want if people don't listen to it it eventually
goes away so so I do think that's on um you know their parents on some level um you know and you're always going to
have that argument while these people were playing video games and those games caused them to kill no I think
deep down here piece of [ __ ] and that's what caused you to do what you did not
not because you listened to a Slayer record yeah I'm I'm fully on board with the the
lawsuit itself on both occasions because what I'm going to attempt to understand
here is that when my daughter is taken and killed and murdered I I will attempt to understand just
being angry at everybody and wanting to hold everybody responsible I'm fully on board with that
the other thing too is that this isn't something that the investigators just made up oh these boys were listening to
Slayer and they and they killed this girl this isn't something that they made up
this was part of the confession and so therefore I get that and I understand that from the parents perspective I
would be upset with everyone as well and wanting to hold as many people accountable as possible as well given
the situation yeah but it's but it's as you said it's you can't you can't hold a band like Slayer or
some other band accountable for this because it's just not it's just not fair and it doesn't work for society I mean
what are you going to do take every movie video game book everything out there that maybe ever
molded these boys into who they turned out to be and and make them pay grievances it just it
doesn't work I I get it but um and I I don't fault the parents for pursuing those Avenues but I also fully
understand why it was thrown out yeah and I also wonder if some of this stuff was blown up this is towards the end of
the 80s so you got some satanic Panic stuff going on and I wonder if some of these like we were talking about before
if you know these [ __ ] dudes are sitting there going well yeah we're in this metal band called hatred and yeah
we're like really influenced by Slayer if a comment like that is just kind of blown up even more and I know there's
more comments than just that but I think some of this stuff is kind of blown up but
but I think those chat rooms I really think like if if those accounts are true and they're in these chat rooms and you
have these adults in these chat rooms saying well yeah if you know if you want to get these powers and you want to get
signed to a major label if you want to sell your soul to the devil what you need to do is sacrifice somebody and and
I think the combination of that and these kids on amphetamines and all these other mind-altering drugs that we we
know look again well there's a lot of people that are like there's nothing wrong with
booze I mean our show we talked about booze there's not nothing wrong with weed a lot of these things are not suitable
for growing Minds right and and they shouldn't be they shouldn't be partaked in until you know early 20s or whatever
so I'm sure there's some science on that I'm I'm not a science I'm a scientist I'm just a captain of a lonely ship
no but I think it's the combination of that but if you have these idiot [ __ ] in chat rooms going oh yeah you
should sacrifice somebody that would get you signed um I don't know if you'd ever be able to
find those individuals but but those individuals are pieces of [ __ ] yeah uh Elisa Pollard's story was the basis
for part of the storyline in the 2009 film Jennifer's Body which starred Megan Fox
I've not seen the movie so I don't I can't can't back that up right but that is what is often reported in this the
you know these situations of course they have lasting effects and horrific effects on the loved ones and parents of
a murdered teenager but there was a story that came out years after her death where elise's Father David was
involved in a road rage incident and he cited that he has PTSD from living through the situation and claim that he
has difficulty managing stress difficulty managing his anger levels and actions at times because of how much he
he suffered and was hurt by this whole tragic story well no and that's the thing that I think a lot of people
wrestle with if if this was my sister what would I what would I have done if I heard rumors about these
three individuals stabbing her 12 times letting her bleed out then going back and
and messing with the body like I mean this this is a gruesome crime that's not to take away you know from
other crimes but it's like is a it's like if you're confronted with that individual would you
take their life and so you have this father I think in a lot of these cases fathers mothers Brothers
sisters family members that feel like they didn't do anything wrong but they didn't do anything right
if that makes sense like there's probably nothing that her parents could have done differently that
day like these kids called her and somehow they got her out of the house and there's probably nothing that they
could have said before she went to bed to change that but there's not a day that probably goes by in his brain that
he doesn't think well what if I hugged her good night maybe she wouldn't have left the house maybe if I would have
done this that I could have stopped this on some level and yeah you'd be I think it'll be
almost impossible to let go of that anger in another strange twist in this story here Captain we have Anthony
fiorella the brother of Joseph fiorella he killed a teenager as well this took place in 1998 when he shot and killed a
teenager by the name of Garrett Hunter this was over a drug dispute he was there to sell some drugs and it this was
a drug deal gone bad gone wrong and Anthony fiorella killed this other young man
now in regards to the three individuals that murdered their daughter Elise pauler the pauler family stated we want
these predatory monsters to stay in prison for the rest of their lives and we couldn't agree more
foreign [Music] happy Halloween and cheers mates thanks so much for joining us this week in the
garage yeah everybody make sure you have a safe and happy Halloween want to throw
out a quick recommendation before we wrap up for this week here Captain this week we are recommending call me God
this is the untold story of the DC sniper investigation last week audible presented this and it came out on
Thursday and I downloaded it and I cannot quit listening to it I would not call this an audiobook this is more of a
presentation so check out call me God and we will have that title listed for you on our recommended page at truecrime
garage.com yeah like the colonel said be safe make sure you check your kids candy
and make sure you steal a couple pieces for yourself but be safe and enjoy this week and until next week be good be kind
and don't litter foreign [Music]

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15 year old Elyse Pahler was reported missing by her father on July 23rd, 1995. The report states that she was last seen at her family’s home when she left for unknown reasons. This week we discuss a case of a missing girl and the conclusion that shocked a community. Beer of the Week - Quilter’s Irish Death by Iron Horse Brewery Garage Grade - 4 and a quarter bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

Elise Pauler, 15, went missing in 1995; her murder revealed shocking details about her killers' motives and actions.

Key points

Elise Pauler's Disappearance. 15-year-old Elise Pauler goes missing from her home, prompting a desperate search.
A Christmas Hope. On Christmas Day, Elise's family waits for a call that never comes.
Nana's Heartfelt Plea. Elise's grandmother makes a public plea for her granddaughter to return home.
A Shocking Confession. A young man walks into the sheriff's department claiming he and friends murdered Elise.
Body Identification. The body of Elise Pauler is identified after months of searching.
The Disturbing Confession. Royce Casey confesses to the murder, revealing shocking details about the crime.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

I miss you and I love you.

Nana's heartfelt letter to Elise.

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Tension

80/ 100High tension

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