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garage and this is the case of Diane [Music] Schuler [Music] can you give a a more detailed
description of what happened before she went off on the trip home what you what you had to eat together what
conversation yeah come to the middle right from the moment you woke up I woke up that's 6 :00 went down to my
boat to clean it out do what I got to do came back about 4 7 7:00 I woke her up saying we had to start cleaning the
camper so we can start getting home before traffic she woke up started packing the
bag slowly started waking the kids up slowly start getting the kids dressed we unloaded the camper all the bags outside
the camper and I walk him to the car and we load him up we had a cup of coffee two cups of coffee and then we left do
you remember your last words yeah I kissed everyone go bye and my wife thank [Music]
you they were trying to locate the kids and they the best they could the best they could come up with was that they
were on they were at the T Town rest center I'm trying to help a friend of mine uh his sister took his his girls
camping they they're very young girls the oldest is nine the girl the girls just called in distress
they said that the aunt is driving very erratically we think she's sick the aunt
isn't picking up the cell phone right now the sister called she can't talk anymore there's three kids in the car
they're trying to five they're trying to locate her the woman's name is Diane schulam and you just put it out to the
postcard okay and see if they could locate her because the the the woman that's driving the car they think is
having a medical emergency she cuz she called and then she couldn't talk anymore and she's got five kids in the
car need to know whose name the car is registered to my car yeah with [Music] me most of you will know that uh from
the trailer and from The Sound Clips involved in the trailer that today we are talking about the
tonic Parkway crash that took place July 26 2009 now you're saying well this sounds like an accident Nick why uh
sounds like an accident that you're doing the show but it also sounds like a a car accident however we back in uh at
the end of October we did our uh very fun Halloween show if you've not checked that out go back and check that out but
what we did was we both picked our top 10 favorite true crime documentaries and after that was released we had a lot of
great feedback from the listeners stating you know oh I you've given me documentaries to watch and that I'm
excited to check out uh have you seen this one have you seen that one and and overwhelmingly we got you we should
check out there's something wrong with Aunt Diane yeah which I was originally released on
HBO um and I watched it recently on Amazon Prime uh so there's some ways to to find that out and to watch it for
yourself but as the captain said we had a ton of people saying this is one of my
favorite uh quote unquote True Crime documentary so that's what we will be discussing today so well and we had uh
one of my buddies Jess tell me you guys shouldn't cover this this is not a this is not a crime this is you know maybe
drunk driving but like you were stating earlier to me um the police then they they ruled as a homicide yeah yeah
according to the Westchester medical exam the crash was quickly ruled a homicide
because all of the victims were killed due to Diane's driving regardless of the toxicology findings that that they would
uh come up with weeks after the crash so to to set this up um Diane Schuler is the driver of of the vehicle that caused
the accident that caused the crash and um she was born in 1973 she was the fourth child of Warren and eileene Hance
uh she's the only girl in the family uh when Diane was about 9 years old her mother left the family now this would be
something that she didn't seem to like to talk much about or to go into much detail of um but it sounds like her
mother may have left with a neighbor man or a family friend MH um but after she leaves Diane kind of takes on some of
the mother type roles I I hate to box that into the mo mother category cuz it's not mom's job to clean the house or
clean the kitchen so I don't want any of that feedback but that's what took place
took place in this situation her being the only girl she took on some of those duties that the the mother might have
generally done beforehand now at some point in their lives the her and her brother's lives the mother did reappear
and reach out to the different children and try to have some type of relationship with them make amends of
some kind and I'm not certain at what point in their lives this took place but it sounds like that Diane was not
accepting of her mother where the other children have some sort of relationship with her now however once she left the
family and left Diane's life Diane chose not to let her back into hers Diane is described by friends and
family as a very smart woman a hardworking uh she seemed to be the take charge kind of person her friends and
family all said that if there was any kind of situation regardless of family or what what you were out to be doing
that day she was always taking charge of each situation uh she as we said hardworking she worked her way up the
ladder at a big business uh she worked for cable vision uh and she was the director of credit billing and
Collections and she earned approximately like $100,000 a year so she was a driven
person she was successful uh she was married to Daniel Schuler and her and Daniel um they had two kids together and
uh they worked opposite schedules though Daniel was a uh security guy and he worked which is you know primarily a
night job and that's what he worked he worked lots of nights uh and Diane worked more traditional hours with uh
her job at the cable vision company as we said Daniel and Diane had two children these were young children a
young daughter and young son uh at the time of this crash um and she they also had three
nieces and the way that what they were doing this weekend what led up to this was they had taken a family camping trip
okay and they took the three nie along the typical you know you park your trailer at a little spot and maybe
there's a lake and and the shers they had a boat so they're going to out on the boat yeah it's it's it's a summer
you know it's the summer months it's July it's a you know probably great weather you get out on the boat with
your family and you have a great time well on Sunday it's time to leave this is Sunday July 26th and around 9:30 a.m.
uh Diane left the hunter Lake Campground now she's driving a 2003 Ford Windstar van this is a red color van with the ski
rack uh and it's not her van it's a vehicle that was borrowed from Warren and Jackie hands um Warren is her
brother and they are also the um parents of the three nieces three daughters so in the vehicle with Diane were uh her
5-year-old son Brian her 2-year-old daughter Aaron and as said her three nieces this is Emma who is 8 years old
Alison who is seven and Kate who is only 5 years old now Daniel her husband is leaving the campgrounds that day as well
at the exact same time as a matter of fact but he's in a truck and he's going to be traveling alone um and a witness
at the campground who had seen them that morning and saw them leaving said that everything appeared to be normal this is
just a family packing up and heading home for from a great weekend trip well and like you heard in the trailer Daniel
is talking about their you know what happened when they woke up they woke up had a couple cup cup of coffee you know
a couple cups of coffee uh then he goes down to the boat he does what he needs to get done and and wraps that all up
and probably connects the boat to the truck trailer mhm and then she's going going to take off separate so again he's
he's claiming that there was nothing odd about there was no fight there was no argument going on um and she packed up
the stuff and packed up the kids and went on their way MH and the the general idea here is that Daniel's going to head
straight home um he's you know he's got the truck and he's going to go straight home and now Diane with uh with the
children is going to stop off at McDonald's to get breakfast or get something for her and the kids to eat MH
um so they make their stop at the McDonald's restaurant and um the cashier there says that he remembers seeing
Diane and the children and that nothing seemed to be abnormal to him um and uh you know I'm going to go ahead and throw
this out there because you know foreshadowing away you know set aside but he he straight up says you know she
did not seem intoxicated or under the influence of anything nor does he smell any alcohol on her breath yeah but I
mean I gone through McDonald's drive-thru at night mhm intoxicated I I don't promote drinking and driving but
sometimes it happens uh Buzz driving is drunk driving um the to me is there much
weight to this eyewitness not much and the reason why I think that is because the exchange is going to be so quick
right you know you're going to you go to window one you give the your money you go to window two grab your food how how
much do you actually talk to the the person handing you your food and even if you go into the restaurant itself it it
you know it's 9:30 on a Sunday right it people I don't even like McDonald's but I find myself there for breakfast about
once's nothing wrong with MC every other month um you know cuz it's convenient and it's there and it's quick and I'm
sure like said there's so many people in and out of there that he may or may not
by the way you went to McDonald's today I I did I did by the way um so they stop
at the McDonald's and nothing seems to be abnormal to anybody now at 10:46 a.m. Diane stops at a sonoko gas station uh
and this she goes in and she asks for some kind of pain medication this would be your typical over-the-counter type P
pain medication I don't know what type she specifically asked for I'm guessing maybe Advil or something of that nature
but for whatever reason the sonoko did not carry uh the pain medication that she was looking for now she did speak
with the gas station attendant and he says that uh again everything seemed normal here you know she doesn't seem to
be intoxicated or acting strangely to him and right and unless she has an allergy of some kind to a different pain
medicine like to me if her pain was that bad if it was a headache I mean to me it
doesn't matter if it's Tylenol or Advil you know I just normally just use the one that are paying us you know to you
know present their brand to our listeners but uh so to to me I find that odd where if
if she was in pain and they say well we don't have this kind but we have this other kind then why don't you just take
that other kind right right that seems strange to me CU so maybe she wasn't in that much pain maybe it just a headache
or and and and again we won't know this but what what if she wasn't in pain what
if she was stopping to get uh you know pain medicine for one of the kids you know maybe she asked for and this here's
the thing with with eyewitness accounts would this change the whole you know speculation and the whole conspiracy and
all that kind of stuff with this crash if she was act ask you know what if she was asking for Children's Tylenol mhm
and then she said well we don't have that right you know but she didn't then when she's talking to the cops she
doesn't register all she has for Children's Tylenol yeah and so far nothing out of the ordinary here but now
the next spot on the time line is where things I think things start to seem weird to me you know so now that we're
at 11:37 a.m. and Diane using her cell phone calls Jackie H uh this is the mother of the nieces that are traveling
with her and she calls basically just to say you know we're running later than we
expected U I'll have the girls home later than expected the reason why this starts to get weird to me here Captain
is it's 11:37 you know according to Daniel they left the campground at 9:30 so now we're over the two hour mark
since they've been gone and I've heard that this is supposed to be like a 35 minute maybe 40 minute trip home uh I
understand that they stopped at the McDonald's and now they're making a second stop at the Sonoco but but still
we're starting to see an amount of time elapse that seems seems a little more than necessary to me yeah well I think
one like I I tell everybody you know go forward by minutes or back five minutes and you're going to be a little off but
I mean you know McDonald's parking it's it's not a drive-thru you know at 9:30 in the morning or 10:00 in the morning
it's it's a parking lot M so how long did they spend there I I don't know they could have stayed and eight there or
eight in the car um that would take up some time especially these being young children you would have to help them
assist them make sure that you don't end up with ketchup smeared all over the back seat yeah or you stop and you eat
in the parking lot and then you take everybody in to use the restroom so I mean but again I I'm starting to see a
time elapse here that seems a little more than it seems a little fishy well at 12:00 p.m. at noon um by this time
Diane and well quick question when she makes the phone call um to the girl's mother is she able to like finish the
conversation it's like a complete conversation yeah it's a complete conversation basically just stating that
they're running l later than expected and she'll have the girls home later than expected okay uh by noon they have
made their way this is Diane in the red uh Ford Windstar van along with the children they've made their way to
Interstate 87 now we have an eyewitness here as well his name is Gerald Sal salero sorry and he is driving in a
vehicle as well he's traveling south on Interstate 887 when he says that a vehicle came up on him rather quickly
this is the red Ford WI star van and the vehicle started jumping back and forth between two lanes yeah it's going from
the right lane to the center lane back to the right lane exactly and it's changing the vehicle's changing lanes
very aggressively but he also claims that it was precise M that it wasn't like swerving aggressively shift the lanes
more like somebody trying to get somewhere fast right um aggressively changing lanes and he can see the driver
it's a female driver and she appears to be holding on to the wheel as normal and
but he says intensely focusing on the road is what he could tell um this is the first incident where we start having
reports of some something going on in the vehicle that there's some erratic driving going on that leads us to 12:13
p.m. we have another iwitness involved here now we're at the location of the Herman toll plaza now the witness here
is Francis Bagley and he's driving in his vehicle and his vehicle is in front of the red Ford Windstar van uh and he
states that Diane's car the van was so close to his that he could not see her headlights you know so she's tailgating
him basically no that's the worst and he can't see her headlights uh and she starts to honk the car at Francis in his
vehicle honk the horn and she's she's honking yeah so honking as if the tell him to get out of the way um and at some
point she pulls out onto the shoulder as if she's going to pass him in that way however she does not pass him instead of
passing him she just simply pulls back into the lane and once again she is behind Francis now Francis describes the
driving to his wife that's with him you know he says this person must be some kind of nut because you know she's she's
all over the road she's honking the horn at me and she's trying to pass using the
shoulder this is some kind of nut that's behind right but I mean we I think we all can agree I mean people that use
their horn excessively are are crazy people it's like it's like when you're sitting at a light and it turns green
and somebody starts honking right away right like shut up okay just shut up get up that's not what the purpose of the
horn is for well she continues to honk the horn at at francis's car don't be that person and this is as he is pulling
off of the uh off of the throughway there right and they're going to a rest stop now this is one of those larger
rest stops the kind where there's a parking section for the semi-trucks and parking for regular Vehicles now Francis
and his wife Jean they continue straight ahead which leads them to the general parking area and Diane who is still
behind them she now actually pulls off into the truck parking area uh this is where Jean sees Diane open up to van and
she gets Diane get out of the van and she says that Diane was possibly getting sick you know maybe possibly throwing up
um Jean sees Diane kind of hunched over in in a manner that would allude that she's probably getting sick on the side
of the physically ill and and so then the whole thing is that they go into the rest stop and then when they come out
they're thinking you know well maybe we're going to see her and then maybe we'll confront her at this point they
don't really they're not very sure that there's children in the vehicle right because all they see is Diane and as the
captain said um you know Francis and Jean say that they did not see Diane or see the driver or the vehicle again
because uh Francis had every intention of confronting the driver you know and and saying hey maybe back it off a
little bit you know yeah or stop being an [ __ ] yeah right but he doesn't have that
opportunity uh at 12:55 p.m. uh this is where we start seeing some more activity
with Diane's phone there is a wrong number that is called uh and dialed from Diane's phone mhm um shortly after that
this puts us at 1:1 p.m. you know they they kind of don't go over this point but to me I wonder you know one is it
one of those phones where you just like dial the numbers and then once you get to a certain number it just dials maybe
maybe it's a pocket dial H you know what I mean or was it like an area code that
somewhat made sense yeah or or is it she's Mis dialing the phone because she's getting sick and I mean getting
sick is no easy thing I mean like you can't really do a whole lot of other things when when you're going through
that yeah especially if it's vomiting yeah you know yeah and so at 1:01 p.m. Diane calls uh Warren Hance now remember
this is Diane's brother and on this call Diane um as described as Warren he says that she sounds disheveled
almost incoherent at times uh and she even calls her brother Warren she calls him Daniel which of course is Diane's
husband's name um Warren is concerned because he can hear the kids in the background and they sound like they are
crying and he is getting extremely worried about the children and his sister uh so he tells her you know what
Diane it sounds like you got something going on here why don't you stay put and I will come up there and I will go and
get you and I will get the kids it's also around this time that the oldest niece um remember this is 8-year-old
Emma uh she is on the phone with her parents and she is saying that there is something wrong with Aunt Diane um and
that you know so she's on the phone with either her father or mother or both and
she's telling them a few different things um that that that Aunt Diane can't see and that there there's
something wrong with Aunt Diane now remember Warren had just shortly got off the phone with Diane stating stay where
you are right you know I'm going to come and get you and get the kids well let's
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GameChanger break and we're back and where we left off we had just talked about these phone calls that are
happening okay so we have the the call with Emma she's the oldest girl she's only eight years old she's in the Ford
wiar van with Diane who's driving and she's called her parents to say that there's something wrong with Aunt Diane
that uh she can't see and it sounds like they're in need of help here now Diane was on the phone with Warren her brother
and this is the phone call where Warren says that she sounded incoherent and that she's calling him by the wrong name
yeah and he can hear the children crying in the background and this phone call only takes place for about two to two
and a half minutes and it ends pretty abruptly here um at 1:10 p.m. someone dials through three wrong numbers from
Diane's phone we' already seen the call take place earlier where a wrong number was dialed from her phone now we're
seeing three this is happening three times now shortly after 1:00 mhm at 1:15 Warren is trying to reach his sister
he's calling her back uh but thinking about this Panic State yeah I mean your your sister which we we H from all the
accounts and the documentary it seems like you know pretty a normal mother pretty normal person uh and now you're
trying to get a hold of her and she's you know talking gibberish on your last call now you're trying to get a hold of
her and it's mainly going to straight to voicemail MH yeah and and like you said
not only pretty normal person but we had said driven you know and we seeing a a situation where her and her husband
don't work the same hours and so she's probably the mom that's putting in the more time and carrying the heavy load of
being a mother parent and taking care of the kids while he's working nights and not only that she must be a good parent
because who would let their three daughters go with her on a weekend camping trip if she wasn't you know so
this is this is something that's of a surprise to Warren and and like you said the Panic here you don't you're on the
other end of the phone and you don't know what's going on you have no control over what's happening on the other end
and you're only getting information from uh your daughter who's very young that doesn't really know what's going on and
from your your sister who is not making any sense to you you have the situation where you're concerned about what's
going on yet you you have no control over it and your children are there and and they be in danger yeah and at 1:15
p.m. as we said Warren's trying to reach his sister and this phone call just goes
straight to her voicemail uh by this time Diane has made it just past the tapenz Bridge toll area and there is a
little pull off section there where you can pull your car off and she must have pulled off there because later someone
would find Diane's cell phone on one of those like wasti high barrier divider type things uh she had placed her phone
on top of that barrier when P while pulled over it is also thought that she may have been getting sick again at this
time uh to this point her route her route is just really what you would expect her to take you know the route
from the campground to her home um and that that's what's strange here to me because here she is in route going from
the campgrounds to her home and it's it's taking a considerable amount of time again well right but we have her
stopping at the rest stop now she's stopping at the shoulder but but to our knowledge she's not lost or she's not
taking a wrong turn or anything like that she is following the route uh pretty well here but it's about this
time that Diane would Veer off of that route authorities are not quite sure what route Diane would have taken to get
to the tonic State Parkway area as there are several options for this but by this
time she is now nearing the tonic State Parkway area and she is no longer in route to her home after these strange
phone calls and Diane and the kids are being gone much longer than expected Diane's brother James and her and
Diane's h husband Daniel they are not they are now out driving and they are going to go out looking for Diane now
Diane is seen driving on an exit ramp now this is where cars are trying to exit the State Parkway and she is
basically using the exit ramp to enter the State Parkway Peter and Elaine Royal are driving that day they're exit
attempting to exit off of the State Park Parkway and they encounter Diane who is
driving right at them almost like they're not even there like she doesn't see them at all now Peter who is driving
he starts flashing his lights and hitting the car horn and trying to to let the other vehicle know you know
you're in our way we're we're trying to get off of this ramp here and you're going the wrong way and basically she
keeps going straight at them directly at them and they are forced off the road and into the grass just to avoid a
collision Peter and Elaine then see Diane's vehicle go around the bend and onto the tonic State Parkway so now
Diane has the vehicle the van with the children in the vehicle and she's heading south in the northbound lane and
now we're going to start getting a bunch of phone calls to 911 claiming hey some
some lunatic is out here driving the wrong way on the freeway yeah and some of those calls they're going to report
her the vehicle traveling at about 70 mph hour um going the wrong way and so let's think about this Diane is she
drives 1.7 miles the wrong way in the fast lane mind you so she is only on the parkway for less than 2 minutes
traveling at that speed mhm she hits a vehicle the Ford Windstar van hits a vehicle and this vehicle is like a gray
Chevy Trailblazer type vehicle and um inside that vehicle there are three men in there um guy bardi he's 49 years old
Michael bardi who's 81 and Daniel Longo who's 74 they it's a head-on collision you
know so if they are both if she's going 70 m per hour we could assume that the other vehicle's probably traveling about
that same rate of speed so they're both traveling and they hit each other head on and so that's that's two vehicles
hitting one another at 140 miles hour now guy bastard's vehicle then hits a third vehicle Diane's van then travels
off the road down the hill and it begins to burn the van is by the time that that
people can reach this van to try to assist the van is like fully engulfed in flames the front of the vehicle is fully
engulfed in flames yeah and there are two gentlemen these let's let's tag them Good Samaritans um they are going to try
to save Diane and the kids and they are attempting to pull the driver and the passengers from the burning vehicle now
they do have some trouble with this you know these doors aren't going to open very easily this if anybody seen a
picture of this vehicle was in terrible condition and but they are able to somehow get the driver out who is Diane
and her body pretty much just it just kind of like falls out of the vehicle you know and it's not she's not showing
any signs of life at all now the kids are in another portion of the vehicle and the way that these two gentlemen
describe it is that they're kind of just like piled up on one another and they are going to start pulling the children
from the vehicle and checking their Vital Signs and as they're doing so the men are realizing that the um just like
the driver that the child passengers seem to be dead as well they're not responding to anything uh when the men
get to the bottom of the pile they find the body of a little boy uh but he is actually still alive thank God and he's
fighting for his life uh the men then check the other vehicles they they go over to the gray Trailblazer and this is
where they find guy bastardy Michael bastardy and Daniel Longo they find those three gentlemen and they are all
deceased at this point also on that day uh along with the the three gentlemen that were in the great Trailblazer we
also have Diane Schuler the driver of the van she was 36 she passed away that day as well as her daughter Aaron and
her three nieces which are Kate Allison and Emma so we have this horrific scene we have uh eight dead it seems like
they're eight dead at the scene we now have all these weird events that happened prior to this we have all
the eyewitnesses accounts of uh Diane driving on the wrong side of the road and now it becomes well what happened we
we need answers for this yeah we need to figure out why there are eight people who have lost their lives we have we
have one Soul Survivor uh which is Brian which is Diane's son uh he suffered several broken bones and a severe head
uh injury and Trauma and he ends up remaining uh he's in the hospital for over two months uh he like I said he he
sustained a serious head injury in the crash and as a result he suffers from uh nerve pulsy in his eye which affects the
movement in his right eye uh and of course he's undergone surgeries and stuff like that to try to help him
recover from that injury but but as said we need to figure out why okay why was Diane driving like this why was she
going the wrong way on on a road she had probably been on several times before yes she is driving a vehicle that may be
strange to her right um you know you ever notice that when you when you borrow somebody car you don't really
know how to turn on the windshield wipers or you know maybe you accidentally turn on the lights instead
of the windshield wipers yeah but you're not going to drive the wrong way on a freeway because you're baring a car
right um and my you know my initial thought on all this is you know some kind of stroke you know that's what it
seems like to me maybe uh you know uh with with the children you know claiming that she's having a hard time
seeing um and she seems disoriented on on some level so is it a stroke is it oncoming heart attack but the but what's
so strange for me is why does she keep driving why doesn't she stop yeah and maybe and then when we talk about when
she goes onto this different path because I don't know the area is she trying to reach somebody and was it that
she felt bad and felt sick and and thought well I'm just going to try to get home and then at some point it's
like I can't get home and it's that fight ORF flight mentality and it's now I'm going to just try to get help I'm
going to try to go to the hospital or something mhm uh but but if it's a stroke maybe and again I'm not a doctor
or a nurse I'm a captain okay I know about boats that's about it but you know is she so delusional from this on onset
of a stroke but wouldn't we be able to see that in the medical records yeah well and they you know and the
other thing too is why did this trip that that should have taken about 35 minutes you know plus some time for
stopping off but we're talking 4 hours the crash took place at 1:35 p.m. they left at 9:30 you know this is four hours
has elapsed here um so let me introduce the the attorney that um that the family
the Scher family would be working with after the accident his name is Dominic Barber and um he some people might know
him from the Howard Stern Show he used to be I don't I don't know if he was friends with Howard Stern if he was a
friend of the show but he used to be on there from time to time he's kind of a uh let's say lawyer to some some some
Stars maybe some entertainers um but uh he he would come out very shortly afterwards with a press conference and
him and Daniel um Diane's husband are going to say that we don't understand what happened because in the in the
autopsy that followed they they did an autopsy this the day after the crash yeah and it was pretty quickly
determined that she had some things in her system that that you know she had alcohol in her system THC in her system
so she had a blood alcohol level of .9 which is roughly about 10 drinks now I don't know if that's 10 beers or 10
shots uh there was uh vodka a bottle of vodka found in the van so one could assume that if she was drinking that's
what she was drinking 0. n and then she was also found with some uh THC in her system as well it's 0.1 n 0.
one nine yeah 0 n she would have expired a long time before but uh so blood blood
alcohol content for her was. n um and she also tested high for a high level of THC and as the captain said we're
talking about to get to that level it's approximately you know you got to factor
in weight and all these other things but once you figure that out it factors in that she probably had about 10 drinks 10
alcoholic drinks well I'm operating at 0.9 all the time well we all know from health class but you know let's review
real quick what that alcohol level means for most or all of us so 06 to .1% uh what you will experience is
reduced information processing uh impaired reflexes impaired depth perception okay the inability to judge
distances uh your peripheral vision and speed control all those things are going
to be impaired uh now once you get a little bit higher from 0.11 to 0.20% uh you have everything that we
just talked about plus your reaction time is now severely impaired your motor control is severely impaired and you are
probably staggering or and experiencing slurred speech now 3 to 39 it is likely that you will die at that level so she's
at 0. one n that should give you an idea of the level of intoxification that she
had now that we mentioned the THC on top of that keep in mind that alcohol increases the absorption of THC meaning
that it can enhance it so they believe due to the high THC levels that she would have smoked marijuana or ingested
marijuana sometime between 15 minutes to 1 hour before the crash took place yeah
and I mean this is all confusing to me because again I mean the husband is saying yeah okay well she would smoke
pot occasionally and uh she would drink occasionally so this is very abnormal and
again I don't know M maybe she had a migraine or something maybe she was trying to
self-medicate it's kind of a very strange thing to be driving kids and trying to self-medicate she doesn't seem
to be that type of person well there the family's attorney as well as the husband
would say that Diane is not an alcoholic she was not an alcoholic she rarely had
a drink um they both claim that Diane's erratic driving was due to a medical issue they believe she may have suffered
a stroke right uh they also have stated that Diane suffered from diabetes but this is rumored who have been just uh
gestational uh diabetes which is like a temporary Condition it's not you know chronic condition uh well you know I'm
just going to go off on a on rant for a minute I had a really good friend of mine guy that was in good shape um
played gigs with him he he would drive down from Cleveland and he um was not diagnosed with diabetes and he was
driving home and pretty much was hallucinating for I again I'm not a freaking Doctor so don't don't judge me
um but he was driving home and basically like hallucinating he didn't have any clue of what's Happening pretty much was
blacking out and then he pulls over on the side of the road or almost wrecks and a two-hour drive it took him
um hours and hours and hours to get home mhm same type of situation he didn't go
you know on to head-on traffic or anything but then because of that incident they were he was checked out
and he was diagnosed with diabetes so that you know was her condition getting worse and
and on on another onset yeah but the you know we have the autopsy that's conducted just the day after the crash
right okay and that's red flags everywhere yeah and in the family in the attorney are bringing up all these
possible health issues or health reason being the cause for her driving that day
uh they even bring up a tooth absence that she had uh for about seven weeks prior to her death um apparently this
was something that was going untreated um but in the in the actual autopsy they specifically state that the
medical examiner found that she had not suffered that Diana not suffered from a stroke an aneurism or a heart attack so
those three things are ruled out right there and the what the glaring red flags are here is the alcohol level as well as
the THC levels well and what's confusing is is there's a part of you that does doesn't want to believe that this
autopsy is real you I mean like they there they make these claims and then maybe they're
just wrong mhm or or maybe they got mixed up somehow you know this paperwork got shuffled with paperwork wrong name
you know different different autopsy I you know the that is a possibility the likelihood of that I would say is pretty
slim to none right and then we have the finding of the vodka bottle right which the husband claims you know yeah we have
vodka bottle and it's and the camper and you know we' go out and you know at night when the kids go to sleep we might
have a couple drinks that's pretty normal mhm uh he thought it was odd that it was in the van yeah so here's a
little clip of the husband being interviewed by Larry King talking about this vodka
bottle Daniel how do you explain the Vodka we usually will keep it in our camper throughout the whole
season one bottle why why you know you have peanut coladas you sit by a campire marshall what was the vodka bottle doing
in a car my wife packed all the bags that day in the camper and leaves them by the door I carry him from the camper
to the trucks I'm very surprised that the vodka bottle was in there I had no idea I don't does it give you does it
give you pause to think that maybe just maybe she was a drinker and you didn't know it I've been for 13 years
absolutely not Daniel why here why keep on doing this the truth the truth will come out well Larry you have to
understand Danny doesn't want the other families to think that a drunk driver killed their families that's why we are
out to prove that she try to prove that she wasn't drunk so basically we have this autopsy saying that she had this
high blood alcohol level and then she also had some weed in our system and now we have this husband saying okay again
we're going to try to this is not not true so again so maybe there's that possibility that the autopsy just they
messed up somehow did the wrong autopsy on the wrong person the likelihood of that doesn't seem like much and then in
the documentary you see a psychologist talk about sometimes when a tragic event happens that people go on the other side
of the spectrum so all this bad thing happened now they're dead and now we don't think anything bad of them and we
go to saood right so she was a saint she was this great mother and maybe there was some things that were going on in
her life and the husband didn't know mhm and that's a good possibility and then if with this abep tooth anybody that's
had a root canal or needed a root canal that is one of the most painful things that you can go through and maybe it was
only for a couple weeks and she's now driving home and she's in a bunch of pain and for some reason she oh well if
I take a couple shots maybe that helps I mean that doesn't make a lot of sense but I don't know how much pain she was
in I mean we know that she stopped to get some kind of Adil or something but it's you know it doesn't line much of
this doesn't line up but that also brings up a good point here could she have been a could she have been a
functioning alcoholic without her husband knowing you know is he is he just going on the Forefront here and and
taking one for the team and standing up for her bring up her you know things her
her bad things for her now that she's gone or or did he not even know you know um well and like we talked about before
they worked o opposite schedules so it is possible I and I agree with that statement because and I'll tell you what
here's the thing too for for alcoholics that are hiding their alcoholism vodka can be the the choice alol right because
right and you normally don't smell it and so you go through smell it it's something that you can kind of put in
everything else that you drink um you know I I have firsthand um an experience with a alcoholism well no with a person
that that was hiding their alcoholism uh and now thank God this person is in great health and has fully recovered and
no longer drinks but for years this guy he he drank and he hid it from his family and he used to what he would do
is vodka was his choice as well because not because he loved vodka but because he could hide it easily from the family
and you know he would go outside to take a smoke break and he would keep a bottle
of gar hidden in the garage or outside somewhere he'd go outside and smoke a cigarette and chug a little bit of vodka
each time well they only caught on to this because eventually he started falling over and uh having some some
health problems and but he was able to hide this from them for years well my big question is is this the is this the
vodka bottle from the camper right you know because the family is not going to come out and go well you know what we
looked in the camper and guess what we saw bottle of vodka cuz that to me if there's still a bottle of vodka in the
camper and there was one in the van and we'll never know that because they do have an agenda I mean they say so at the
end of that clip we're we're coming out we're trying to prove we're going to prove that she was having a stroke or
something and she wasn't alcoholic or she didn't have a drug problem and again maybe that drug problem wasn't you know
uh you know her mother left her I don't know why her mom left her maybe her mother had a drinking problem who knows
and she didn't talk about it and this husband didn't you know bring it up and didn't pry into this which you know
whatever I think you should know your wife a little bit better than that but uh but maybe her mom had some drinking
problems who knows but that's a very good possibility there's also a possibility that this bottle of vodka
had nothing to do with a bottle that was in the camper maybe there wasn't even a
bottle in the camper maybe this bottle could have just been something she kept stashed away on her on in her own
belongings or in the vehicle that she was driving that it was in fact something that she was hiding from
everybody right now the other question is the weed we have alcohol that was found in our system uh
.19 and then now we have this this weed which would be more potent because she was drinking is what the uh coiner was
saying so this is the husband's uh answer about the weed on a rare occasion she would but definitely not that
weekend absolutely not was it something she used to relax was it something she used for stress was
it something she used for on an occasion on an occasion to relax that's all not true everything you
hear it is not true when did she use marijuana she use it when she was at work she use it at no
no it was I think mostly to be be able to get a good night's sleep I think it was after everything
was done clothes were iron laundry is done kids are in bed books are read everything was done and maybe she'd have
some before she went to sleep it wasn't like you'd ever think she you know you never look at her and think she smoked
pot but some people do did she ever discuss it with you like why she took it or what was it no I just
knew that she smells okay somebody please tell me what a weed person looks like cuz that's what
I hear in the interview she well I mean if you looked at her she didn't if you looked at her she didn't look like
somebody that smoked the weed what does a weed person look like okay first of all and then the husband this is what
drives me nuts is the husband says occasionally occasionally occasionally she smoke the pot occasionally she do
that and but she don't look like a weed person right okay and then at the end of
the interview that lady is is saying well but I knew she smoked pot so she obviously smoked enough pot that this
person was well aware of it more aware of it than it seems like the husband was yeah again I think this is the Saum
thing uh she never would have done this well the here's here's a couple things that I noticed about that clip in
particular okay there was more telling things about that of the THC clip than the alcohol clip for me and here's the
two things that pointed out one is what I didn't hear in the clip okay when when
I read the report the medical examiner report that says to have a THC level that that was that high she must have
consumed the marijuana within 15 minutes to an hour before the crash well that puts her in the company of four children
yeah what I did not hear In that clip was her husband saying yeah she smoked pot but she would have never have done
it around the children I didn't hear that in the clip because my first thought is you know we we all know
people that smoke some weed you know but but but here's the thing do we do we know people do I know people that smoke
weed around their children no because I wouldn't be friends with those people right you know what I mean that would be
the first like big red flag to me saying these are small children these are small
children and I don't know how the editor cut up this sound bite or took his interview and and cut it up but the
thing is I wanted to hear that in that clip I wanted to hear that she would have never done that in front of the
children because you spend the whole documentary telling me what a good mother and what a good wife and a good
person she was however I did not hear she would have never have done that in front of the children now what I did
hear In that clip was the sister-in-law stating that well yeah she smoked it sometimes to get a good night's sleep
well that was a red flag to me too why because of something you and I had discussed earlier we had said Daniel
says his wife is not an alcoholic Daniel says that his wife only smokes weed occasionally Daniel is at work four or
five maybe six nights a week at night time when she is done with her workday when she is done taking care of the
children who knows who knows could she perceive could she been smoking pot and drinking every night after she put the
young children to bed and black out or have some horrible alcoholism problem or addiction problems that he was unaware
of I think it's possible because of their separate schedules well also I mean he's he's a man you know he's how
much is he paying attention to his wife I don't know I'm just going to assume not a lot you know but I mean that's
just where I'm going with and uh it's but no but I think we throw people under the bus like I mean people drink around
their kids and we don't shame them super hard you know I think uh I'm not saying
that you should be you know passing a joint around when your kids are in the room but um but no I yeah this is just
very odd now among after hiring the attorney the family would then hire a private investigator or investigative
firm to to kind of they want to discredit the autopsy findings and they want to bring to light that they that
their mom and their wife was not an alcoholic she was not drunk she was not high when this crash happened that this
was a medical there was some kind of medical reason for this crash right which makes a lot of logical sense I
mean like I said I mean the thing about the diabetes or a stroke or something of
that nature and I'm not faulting the husband because if the husband is not aware of this stuff then how how can he
address the problem and so this could essentially be the first time that he's actually hearing about this being a
problem and and what he's going off is if he loves this person and obviously loved his kids and one of his kids died
in it and the other kid you know went through uh you know all these surgeries and and almost didn't make it and then
his three nieces died in this MH so I'm I'm not faing him for going well what what the [ __ ] happened right and and if
it is the first time of him learning about any of this then his first reaction is going to be going I can't
believe it I can't believe it it's just like when somebody you know is married and their spouse is living a separate
life maybe for a year maybe for a couple years and when it all comes out in the wash they can't believe it because they
didn't see it coming and maybe that is what's happening here it's just with an addiction problem yeah yeah and and but
there's also that level of denial too amongst the survivors um but back to the private investigator the the the Schuler
family they hired uh Tom Ruskin and his investigative firm um they end up complain laining quite a bit about um
about this investigative firm and Tom Ruskin uh they really don't think that he did anything other than take their
money obviously the family wants answers right but this is seems like it's very spearheaded by J Scher the other Aunt
the sister-in-law of Daniel and so when they get this lawyer involved and they get this investigator involved the
investigator starts asking for $10,000 $155,000 and she has to get the other family members involved to in order to
pay for this yeah I think he ends up charging them close to $330,000 in the end right and what did he do I I'm not
really for sure and this guy just seems kind of like a scumbag because in the documentary when the when the film is
the filmmakers are trying to get him to do an interview it's just not worth our time uh $25,000 $225,000 to be on a on a
documentary like documentaries don't make any money they don't have any docu you know Ken Burns is not some you know
billionaire I'll do a documentary for 1,500 bucks I'll do one for 50 bucks in case of beer I agree with you Captain
when when they play that part where Tom ruskin's on the phone with the documentarian and being asked if he
would be you know present the story or his findings to the documentary and he and he gives that answer of well they
want 20 or $25,000 to be on the documentary that was a very slime ball answer in my opinion I understand that
you want to get paid for your time and that you are running a business but but you've already been paid by the family
you know this benefits the family uh you were paid to release your findings to the family um so it was a very slimeball
answer in my opinion now he would go on to state that the investigation included
interviewing Diane's family and friends canvasing the campground in the driving route for leads and obtaining the video
footage from the sonoko station and according to to Tom Ruskin all monies were spent on those activities as well
as additional lab test now I will say those lab tests are not cheap first of all and second of all to his credit they
did find his investigative firm found the surveillance footage at the Sonoco that that was not something that that
was presented by anybody else yeah I mean a slime ball answer but at the end of the day who knows I mean there's
three sides to every story right his side their side and the truth and it could be just that you know J Scher or
whoever hounded him so much and maybe was so rude to him that they he just thought you know what I I I the I did a
bunch of work you don't think I did I was paid for that work and now you're asking me for more stuff and I'm just
done with this all well and the results of those additional lab tests that they conducted were the same results that the
medical examiner office came up with originally so I here you run into a problem of okay I work for you you've
paid me x amount of dollars to help you get to the truth of this matter unfortunately the conclusion I came to
is what we already knew was the truth has not changed in my opinion and so I'm now telling you something that you don't
want to hear so you're dissatisfied with my investigation because it didn't have
the outcome or the results that you were looking for that you wanted or is this guy such a slime ball that he charges
him for these tests and never has new test done I mean I don't know I mean I I couldn't find any evidence of that but I
want to put you know if he is a slime ball I want to put that past the slime ball right right I do want to point out
that it has been reported that Daniel accepted a an offer you know they did this documentary uh and that he accepted
accepted an offer for $100,000 uh from that film company to do what would end up being the HBO
documentary uh this was back in 2010 um now I don't I'm not going to fault Daniel for this at all no he's a
single father now he's a single father and he I I do believe that there's a part of him that believes that there's
more truth out there and that he didn't have the ability to do that on his own uh and I think he thought maybe this
documentary would give him the answers he was looking for I think what ends up happening is he gets the gets reminded
of the answers he didn't want to hear in the first place but I don't fault him foring the money because as you said
he's a single father there there's an investigative firm to pay that that that cost you almost
$30,000 and there's all there's there's surgeries for your son right right and on top of that there's going to be law
suits that uh are going to end up being filed you know in uh December of 2010 uh
the bastardi family filed a lawsuit against Diane Schuler and against her brother Warren Hance who now now he was
the owner of the vehicle right and now some people if you you know if you're involved in uh civil uh suits and things
like that you you will know that any good attorney will tell you that if if if I'm walking down the street and the
lamp post falls on me well I don't just Sue I don't just sue the person that that own the house that own the lamp
post I I'm to sue the homeowner I'm to sue uh the I'm to sue the manufacturer of the lamp post uh maybe even the
manufacturer of the light bulb um they will reach out and they will sue everybody because you're you know you're
hoping to get rewarded some money outside of court or that that these other proceedings will enhance uh
original lawsuit right but you are you're suing the father of these three young uh girls yeah suing her estate um
yes and you know it's rough I think to sue the the yeah War brother that's what I'm talking about the state fine but
you're suing the brother that just lost his three daughters and to me that's that's wrong in July of 2011 um Jackie
Hance she filed a lawsuit uh against her brother-in-law Daniel Schuler um this would be the mother of the three nieces
um so we we have all kinds of legal proceedings that need to take place and lawsuits that uh need to be dealt with
um you know there's really there's really nothing good that can come of this um there's I don't think that
anybody's going to get the answers that they want I think at the end of the day she was intoxicated she was High um can
I prove that no other than other than the Toxicology test I mean you can the autopsy that's that's the proof what I
mean is I I can't say she was drinking vodka in the van I can't say that she was smoking a joint in front of the kids
I can't say any of that because cuz we don't know that for certain but we had the lab test well and will the son ever
remember yeah you know the son might one day say no I do remember her her drinking who knows yeah the the only
real statement that they've passed along that he seems to say when they've pushed
him for answers as to what had happened was that he said something to the nature
that she had hurt her head or that uh she could she was having trouble seeing uh which was reported by one of the
nieces on the phone as well I think what we have here Captain is we have 4 hours
that that passed and we have a lot of that time that's not accounted for and I think that during that time is when she
was consuming alcohol and when she was consuming marijuana now according to the documentary she's a very good mom she's
a very good person she's a very good wife I believe all three of those things I've seen pictures of these children
none of them appeared to be malnourished or abused or not taken care of appropriately I think all that was going
on I think she was a hard worker I think she was a good mom she was a good wife just not on that day not that day she
wasn't right and I I apologize but that's that's what I see here yeah and I think the only you know if there was
some weird medical thing that was happening and that caused the drinking or that caused the smoking I and again
I'm I'm not a doctor so I I I don't there doesn't make any logical sense to get to that point at the end of the day
this is this horrible TR tragic thing and uh these children lost their lives the you the mother lost their life um
the three innocent men the three innocent men and the you know wrong place at the wrong time I mean that's uh
could you imagine you know what their families are going through it's this overall this sad tragic event um and my
heart's go out for everybody that's involved and uh hopefully again I I went to say
hopefully there's answers but I I don't think it matters you know like I I don't
think it matters if she was a drunk driver or if it was a a medical thing you know maybe it matters as far
as like a civil lawsuit and all that stuff but I it doesn't bring back these these individuals I was pleased to see
at the end of the documentary they were talking about Brian Brian is the little boy that survived the crash I was happy
to see that he apparently is receiving counseling and that he's going to some form of counseling I hope that they see
that through because here's the thing man uh Warren and Jackie um I hope I got their names right the but the the mother
and father of of the three nieces right they lost all three they lost their all their children that day yeah and and I
don't know you know I'm a big Advocate you are as well for counseling and for seeking out help and talking about
things and and working through things I don't know that there's any any way through that no I mean the
the pain of losing a child is uh something that people you know unless you've gone through it yourself you have
no idea of of what you have to deal with mentally and and there they lost all of
them that day I don't know that there's any getting through that um now but the thing is here Brian yes he lost his
mother yes lost his sister but he's at a young enough age that with the right amount of counseling with the right help
this doesn't have to ruin his life as well that that he he may be able to recover from this and live a normal life
um and you know and that well here's the thing what I recommend watching the documentary uh it's it's depressing it's
a Debbie Downer it's it's more than a Debbie Downer I mean it's horribly depressing um was it a crime yes there
was a crime involved there's homicides vehicular homicide but it is a crime uh this like we said this was suggested by
the listeners uh in overwhelming amounts and uh so I blame you guys for uh suggesting it and making uh me super sad
that day so thanks a lot for that well and and to to pass to kind of underline was this a crime or not uh I can read
you the statement from the medical examiner um you know according to the Westchester medical examiner the crash
was quickly ruled a homicide because of all of the victims were killed due to Diane's driving regardless of Toxicology
findings in August 18 2019 this is this is less than a month after the crash the
Westchester district attorney said no charges will be filed in the incident as Diane Schuler was the only person
responsible and Diane Schuler died in the crash and the charges died that day with her right again it's an interesting
um it's an interesting documentary but I don't think that outweighs um the horrific nature and the horrific tragedy
as W with the innocent men losing their lives and and these innocent children as
well all right I'm officially depressed do we have any recommended reading this week uh this week I would like to
recommend blood stains by Jeff mudget well this sounds like a happy book well this this might take your mind elsewhere
because this is based on a true story well you say well that's weird for True Crime garage to recommend a based on a
true story book but there are some this is a very good story and and when I get into it here in a second you'll realize
why but he says because there are some things and worried about some people coming after him that that it was listed
as fiction but to him it's a true story so you have to read this and figure F out if you believe his story or not and
what is this story about so according to this book Jeff mudget is the great great
grandson of Herman Webster mudget who is better known to you and I as Dr HH Holmes and in Jeff mudget book blood
stains Jeff says that he has some Insider knowledge that HH Holmes lived longer than anyone thinks that HH Holmes
was not put to death and that he was actually involved in the Jack the Ripper case as well wow this is a mustre in my
opinion for those of you that want to find out more about HH Holmes you know we recommended uh The Devil in the White
City uh months ago which is another HH Holmes book uh but this one is quite different and I wouldn't say that this
is a mustre for Jack the Ripper readers as this story really has little to do with the Ripper but if you are like me
and if you've heard one Ripper Theory you want to hear them all mhm and this is a great time to dive into HH holes
with the new movie coming out with Leonard de capriel our buddy as if we hang out with him uh
he'll be playing HH holes in a new movie coming up I think next year yeah and I believe that that movie is based off of
the book The Devil in the White City so uh pick up uh blood stains by Jeff mudget today and you can do that by
going to our website true Crim garage.com and click on the recommended page and you will see all of our other
recommended books as well as one of our documentaries that we recommended and of
course it goes without saying but we're going to say it anyway because it's so important do not drink and drive please
do not smoke and drive don't buzz Drive do not uh text and drive you know I tell
you what that texting and driving is almost as bad if not worse than oh the worst thing in the world is when you're
driving down the road and you see a car swerving into your lane oncoming traffic
and you know that son of a [ __ ] is just sending a text yeah put down your damn
phone yeah and with New Year's Eve coming up we know it's a big part night make arrangements have somebody drop you
off have somebody pick you up call Uber call a taxi cab uh you call the captain I'll come pick your ass up he's going to
be picking people up all night long so do not drink a drive treat yourself good be good to yourself and everybody else
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The Taconic Parkway Crash of 2009 was one of the areas most tragic stories. The fatal three car crash resulted in the deaths of eight people. It was quickly determined that Diane Schuler 36 years of age was responsible for the crash and the homicides of the other 7 innocent victims. An autopsy determined her blood alcohol level to be .19%, that's more than two times the legal limit for the state of New York. Her husband and sister in-law have publicly stated that Diane was not a drinker and this was not a homicide but in fact an accident. Her erratic driving was the result of either a stroke or a health issue. Tonight we examine the Schuler families' statements and take a look at the facts. Why was a seemingly good mother driving under the influence with 5 young children in her vehicle?Don't drink and drive and please stop texting and driving!

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Brief Summary

Diane Schuler's fatal crash raises questions about intoxication versus medical emergency, resulting in eight deaths, including her children and nieces.

Key points

True Crime Garage Introduction. Hosts Nick and Captain introduce the show with humor and a toast to George Michael.
Diane Schuler's Case Introduction. The hosts introduce the case of Diane Schuler, hinting at its complexity.
Diane's Erratic Driving. Diane is seen driving erratically, prompting concern from other drivers.
Tragic Collision. Diane's van collides head-on with another vehicle, resulting in multiple fatalities.
The Aftermath. The crash results in eight deaths, including Diane and her children.
Family's Defense. Diane's family insists she was not an alcoholic and suggests medical issues caused her erratic driving.

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3:48WatchNov 16, 2023

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