Bobby Mackey's Music World | Morbid | Podcast | Forensic Files

hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is morbid [Music] this is morbid and I am looking at
audible books I thought you were going to say this is morbid and I'm Elena and I was gonna be like girl we did no we
did that already we did the intro now I'm just looking at audible books oh what were you what were you looking at I
think I'm gonna get Salem's lot because I just want to hear it that's Stephen King and Mikey was just listening to it
on Audible and I was like oh huh I've read it I just want to hear it now that's cool does uh does he narrate it
uh yeah this is one of those ads that like you stick into a show no it's literally talking about it oh he
narrates part of it oh that's cool yeah the beginning of it sounds like like he's like the beginning the beginning
you should listen to um Cemetery because you know who does that who Michael shut up
Dexter oh I was like I will listen to that all right I'm on a Stephen King binge recently yeah you've been
listening to the writing yeah his writing on writing he has a very soothing voice because it's been in the
car a few times when I've been like driving around yeah I like listening to him you know but that's where I am
I don't really know where I am right now I'm ain't that the truth for all of us we got some we got some crystals in here
that are like helping with the energy but I think what I think why are you laughing at me I think that they're
sucking my energy a little bit like not in a bad way you know you know what I'm saying Crystal gurlies oh the boys yeah
there's Crystal girlies and boys that are saying yes yes I feel that I hear you I hear you Crystal girls gaze and
Lace there you go I love you guys okay well do we have any like anything going on no
um do you what do you have I have the paperback version of my book coming out July 26th I would say that's something
going on go go pre-order it it's fun paperbacks are great you can stick them in your bag and they're you can flop
flip flop them around yeah who doesn't love the flip-flop and it's got like a fun little insert in it and what it has
the first well a chapter of the sequel in it when I got to actually picked that yeah I like I gave
my advice a little bit Yeah so it's got a chapter of the sequel in it that's cool so that's pretty awesome and it
comes out July 26th and we'll be in New York the day that it comes out doing like a fun little chat right a little
Event Event um I don't even know what we're doing I just I'm just like yeah I'll be there we're just chatting about
the book yeah just like by ourselves I can do that yeah by ourselves no I'm just kidding oh I was trying to make it
seem like we were just gonna be like hanging out talking about the book and New York happened to be there just five
yeah but no it's an event uh but you're funny but paperback book yeah this is a chapter of the new one and the new one
will be coming out in the near future hello I've gotten to read a few rounds because I'm awesome and because this is
awesome it makes me think of my friend Marissa if you're listening hi I love you
um and it's it's really [ __ ] good it's also really creepy and randomly the other day Elena just sat next to me on
the couch and was like can I try something on you and I was like probably not and then she she essentially was
like What if I did this and like manipulated my hand in a weird way I just wanted to be able to describe
something in an accurate way so I decided to do it to Ash it's me your personal you'll find out once the book
is out I'll tell you what scene it was that I just cast your vote what did she do to ash.com
oh God what a weird website that would be yeah actually I don't know why you just gave the world that website I don't
know about that website.com that's a scary one right I don't like it came from your head it's like a Mean
Girls but he's like that's a scary mask that's a scary mask bro that's a scary mask well it kind of works out that
we're in a silly giving man because I have a haunting today a haunting The Haunting of one Bobby Mackey's Music
World whoa whoa everybody's like are you guys on drugs today no but it's a crazy day
crazy um so I'm just gonna start at the beginning does that sound good to you that's always an awesome place to start
fantastic this is a fun story and it's also a scary story and there's also some parts that are not fun awesome I love
all that way heavier on the scary oh so we're going to start by talking about Bobby Mackey uh he opened Bobby Mackey's
Music World in 1978 and when country singer Bobby Mackey opened the nightclub that he named after himself his main
goal was basically just to make it like a tight-knit small little nightclub where people would come hang out Vibe
Dance just enjoy some country music just like quaint goals quaint goals but by 1978 he had spent more than 12 years
traveling around the country either with his own country western band or as an employee with the railroad and at that
point he was like very very ready to settle down after those 12 years he had been born and raised in a super
small town conquered Kentucky the latest population is literally 19. whoa as of 2022. I looked it up the
other day and its latest population again for the people in the back is 19 19. that's not even old enough to drink
nope nope not at Bobby mackie's but so he he was from that small town and he was kind of ready to get back to that
small town lifestyle after all the traveling and everything um and there was like a few reasons for
that sudden urge to settle aside from the you know traveling over more than a decade he was now married and his wife
Janet was actually pregnant and like I said he really wanted to open his own nightclub he told producers from
Discovery Channel it was either moved to Nashville or get my own place oh but it
turned out he didn't have to look too far from home to find the perfect spot for his new club because a couple years
early year an Old Road House on Route 9 in Wilder Kentucky closed down and as it
turned out it had actually previously been used as a nightclub so it was already set up for you know look at that
nightclub a nightclub yeah they will it was set up pretty perfectly but or at the very least it was a good start so
Bobby told reporters in my mind's eye I could see it all I could see the crowd I
could see people dancing so there was nothing going to stop me I had to have the place I had to have it but like
apparently Bobby didn't see and couldn't sense that the place was totally and completely haunted oh haunted as [ __ ]
so the property which actually still sits and is like open at 44 licking Pike it has had a very long and very legendy
history that started way before it was a nightclub a Roadhouse or really anything
when it was first purchased it was actually home to a slaughterhouse and a meat packing plant that'll do it in what
was known at the time as Finch Town it wasn't even Wilder yet oh now the plant was built in 1850 so that's how far
we're going back and it closed a few decades later but something about it like something about the property kept
people in town talking even years after it had closed a lot of people felt like the area was either haunted or used by
their local Satan worshiper slash occultist oh my favorite thing ever because duh yeah of course and they
figured that these groups of people would find it a great spot to use for their rituals because there actually
really was a well that had been built back when it was a slaughterhouse um like back when this slaughterhouse
was running that collected all the animal fluids specifically the blood oh and not well
in the Legends surrounding it would later play a huge part in actually a murder the night the 1896 murder of one
Pearl Brian oh this is a real story oh damn and this is really sad in 1896 1896. Pearl was a 22 year old girl from
Indiana and late in January of 1896 she told her parents that she'd gotten a telegram from a family friend in
Indianapolis I can never say that Indianapolis I'm not going to try again because you did
it but so she got that telegram from that place and these family friends asked her to come visit and she was like
hell yeah sounds awesome so she set off on her trip and just sadly days later on February 1st her
body was found decapitated oh my God in a large field less than 600 yards from Fort St Thomas
and very close by to the abandoned slaughterhouse oh so the coroner determined that Pearl had actually been
drugged with cocaine just prior to her death and the cause of death was obviously the decapitation oh God and
they believed that she had been killed where her body was discovered in that field
unfortunately the coroner also said that Pearl would have been alive when the decapitation started yes oh
so 1896 investigators started trying to put the pieces of the case together and they found out that the last time Pearl
had been seen alive was on the evening of January 31st and she was spotted with two men Scott Jackson and Alonso Walling
now the last time the three of the of the three of them excuse me were spotted was in a cab from Cincinnati that was
headed back in the direction of Fort Thomas oh no where she was found now the detectives are pretty sure that these
two guys had something to do with Pearl's murder and they were right on the right track when Scott Jackson was
arrested he told the police that he and pearl had secretly been in a relationship for the past several months
and that recently he had found out that she was pregnant and he was not exactly pleased about this
I just want to put a trigger warning here because this is going to be a little bit tough going forward just for
this one section just to trigger warning for loss of pregnancy slash miscarriage
stuff thanks you're welcome so he he was like I said not happy that she was pregnant and suggested that
Pearl tried to induce her own miscarriage by drinking I think is it ergot or God yeah which is a fungus and
Rye mixed together that's what they tried to blame the Salem Witch Trials on oh [ __ ] you're right I forgot about that
um so she obviously refused this because she was like I'm not gonna do that um and she said she refused it multiple
times like he kept being like no this is what you need to do like we're not having a baby you need to drink this and
she's like no no she gets to decide their friend yeah her body her choice yeah and it's like you don't have to be
a part of this baby's life bye see ya never so she kept refusing cup refusing and
finally he sent her himself to Cincinnati to have an abortion performed now from the story it sounds like she
either didn't go or did but didn't go through with the abortion okay so on the night of January 31st Scott and Alonso
there invited Pearl out and they slipped cocaine into her drink hoping that that
would cause a miscarriage oh my God two [ __ ] [ __ ] now that didn't seem to work as far as they were concerned which
I was like how would you really I was just gonna say but they didn't give it any time and they decided their only
option left now would be to murder Pearl and the unborn baby now the reason that they wanted to
decapitate her was because they believed that she wouldn't be able to be identified without her head
which like I know it's 1896 and like obviously you know certain things aren't available but like wow okay wow and
that's just [ __ ] up it's super [ __ ] up and if like you loved this girl enough to have a relationship with her
by God to get her pregnant like Jesus seriously so once they killed her they dumped her body in that field outside of
Fort Thomas but when it came down to it they both ended up giving different stories about what had happened to
Pearl's head what they had done with it one of them said that they threw it into
a reservoir on their way back to Cincinnati come on can you imagine which I don't think is what happened and the
other one said that they had buried her head in a sandbar near Dayton now it doesn't seem like either of those two
stories are the case but they never found Pearl's head she had to be buried without her head and kidding me
detectives believed and suspected that they had probably destroyed her head and an incinerator because Scott Jackson was
a student at a dental school and had access to that incinerator holy [ __ ] [ __ ] up that's wild so they ended up
being executed obviously for pearls Pearl's murder on March 20th 1897 and you would think that that would put an
end to the story but people still were talking about the mystery surrounding the case ever since eventually the talk
of the case would slow down but for a while people were heavily focused on this yeah this is huge right
so Scott Alonso and pearl have all been worked into the Legends and the stories surrounding the abandoned slaughterhouse
and then everything else it would come to be now some Legends claim that they were satanists and that Pearl had been
murdered during a ritual ritual sacrifice and those Legends say that the reason Pearl's head was never found was
because it was thrown into The Well of the slaughterhouse which was like super super deep yeah
but by the 1920s they decided you know what maybe we should [ __ ] tear down that old slaughterhouse because damn if
it really is being used for uh rituals and decorations we should get rid of it yeah probably yeah now like I said
people weren't really talking about the legend of what happened to Pearl as often because they were more focused on
Modern things like prohibition and gambling yeah fun things old sport well prohibition's not fun but in 1933
Justice prohibition was about to end also I should acknowledge that you said old Sparks that was funny that's okay
I felt you understand it in your soul I did yeah I love Gatsby but just as it was about to end a man named Ernest Buck
Brady bought the Roadhouse and opened it up as a restaurant and casino and he ended up naming it the Primrose which I
think is really cool that is pretty right now in no time the place was hopping people loved hanging out there
but more importantly they liked spending their money there now that latter part obviously brought attention from mob oh
that old thing oh yeah that whole thing eventually they were actually able to pressure buck into selling the club to
them so the mob took over damn the mob is like mine mine Money Pit I'll take it I'll take it so Frank screw Andrews yep
they called him screw yeah they did of course I don't ask absolutely he managed the now rebranded club that they were
calling the Latin quarter oh sexy and it gained even more popularity now in the 1950s it was actually the or one of the
most popular illegal gambling dens in the area and it went on that way for 11 years wow right an illegal gambling Den
that's a that's a good run that's a good friend I don't know what the typical run
is me neither but that feels like a good one feels pretty great I mean over a decade yeah let's go like a middle
schooler but like let's not go because yeah illegalities yeah you know there's that but in 1961 the residents of the
Town were like hey uh criminal activity is a little too Rife here and law enforcement like maybe could you crack
down on that a bit Yeah and law enforcement was like yeah we should probably do that so they did and they
closed down the club all right right and so it sat empty for a few more years until it reopened in the 70s as a Hard
Rock Cafe hell yeah and it's really funny because like I feel like everybody's been to a Hard Rock Cafe 100
and usually they just have like you know cool memorabilia and a good burger yeah
this Hard Rock Cafe was hard rock hell yeah it was because if the residents were uncomfy before they did not realize
that things were going to get a whole lot worse according to the Cincinnati Enquirer the Hard Rock catered to a
little bit of a rougher crowd of people made up of quote all people from out of town with an interest in live Hard Rock
music hell yeah I feel like it's just a bunch of like um barbs from trolls World Tour oh my God
you're such a mom and I love you for that I was like barbs and then I thought you were going down like a stranger
things around and I was like I'm not getting it trolls World Tour on us and I said trolls and then I was like oh and
then you knew yeah [ __ ] love Barb to Barb's being like let's rock we have the Rock Stream hell yeah let's go
Brothers no so that but that was like the weird thing about this property no matter what
it was operating as a Roadhouse the Primrose the Latin quarter the Hard Rock there was always some kind of criminal
element attached to it you know it's it's just like that's that's its thing it was just like criminal it's this
place is just like it's kind of my thing to have criminal elements always it's kind of like Alexis from shit's creek
it's like a little bit criminal it's a little bit criminal when it drives its car
but apparently though it's time as the Hard Rock was the most violent oh I didn't see that coming nor did I but I
thought the mob would have been you know me too but maybe that was just less reported here I am learning things you
know I'm sure that it probably was when it was the mob but we just don't know much about that and I'm not gonna talk
about it no way but the police anyways they write things down and that's why we know that
reports but they were constantly going down there to break up fights to respond to accidents or Worse to investigate
crime scenes lots of deaths yeah the Wilder police chief no it is the Wilder police chief Robert uh Schindler I
believe it is told reporters we have had an awful lot of trouble down there but most of it happens in the parking lot oh
now by the time the club like the Hard Rock Cafe closed at the end of 1977 several murders had taken place in the
parking lot oh wow and actually just weeks before it closed its doors as the Hard Rock a man had been killed with a
shotgun and a couple months before that another man had also been shot to death as he was leaving the lot damn yeah
intense parking lot just like I think it would close and a lot of bar fights would take place and you know it yeah
that's where everybody kind of spills out right exactly and I think it just attracted a rougher crowd geez put all
that to say the property had gone through a lot of loss a lot of violence and Tragedy by the time Bobby laid eyes
on it in 1978 but again he had no [ __ ] idea all he saw was the future home of Bobby Mackey's Music World I
love that name I do too it's really fun it's pretty intense he's a squirrel music world man World Tour
World Tour laughs it's the crystals [Laughter] happening like ash just opened her
mother world and like hung on it for a while that's like where's this going to get to the turn the tune of world
star you remember those videos they were always horrible you'd be like whoa It's the crystals man it's the crystals
they're making me all silly and goofy that's that's just rock voice is like World Tour it sounds like a [ __ ] porn
it's like I was a maniacal laughing exactly back to business building the nightclub
Bobby might not have had a bad feeling like I've told you 47 times now but the first time she got out of the car and
laid eyes on the place his wife Janet sure [ __ ] did in fact the very first time she laid eyes on this place she
said as she closed the car door and turned to look to the building she swore she saw a person move in the doorway and
then she saw the front door close but there wasn't anybody supposed to be inside did she tell someone that when it
happened or was that like a later recollection fun fact she told Bobby okay because I was like you should tell
someone she did she was like hey uh Bob Bobby there's a person in there she said
but he just laughed it off and eagerly made his way inside yeah you know why not whatever it was the middle of the
day it was fully light outside but still Janet just couldn't shake the feeling that there was something Eerie about
this club it had an energy that she just did not like and when she got inside she
probably didn't really feel much better the place was dimly lit all the tables and the chairs were still set up there
was posters and decorations hung on the wall a little creepy it basically looked
like whoever had owned the place before just walked out one day and never came back wow because that actually is kind
of exactly like that's actually what happened so it was like that because that's what happened yeah but I don't
know she just she didn't feel like her and Bobby were alone I guess is how I would say it all right she later said it
felt like someone was in there and it and there wasn't nobody in there but him and I oh and to make matters worse as
she made her way toward the kitchen she started to hear what sounded like a man and a woman having an argument but when
she pushed open The Swinging Doors that led to the kitchen it was completely empty oh so she like looked around a
little bit more but there was nobody there except her and Bobby and they weren't arguing Oh weird that's like
people will hear in a lot of hauntings you hear like people having a conversation with each other or
something yeah that's always that freaks me out for some reason but like the auditory yeah what is that called
um it isn't it am you talked about it in the lighthouses when the guy was coughing
it's a uh residual is that what it is what it is a residual Hunter I think where they're just like just always
having that like experience over and over and over yeah it's freaky it is and I think like your first thought is kind
of like oh my God roast people like still there having that argument yeah but I don't think it's that I think it's
the energy exactly oh so creepy but so she was obviously super freaked out and she's later said I wanted to get out of
there as soon as possible yeah I don't blame you but Bobby on the other hand he could not have been more enthusiastic
and he wasn't hearing any of what she was hearing he's just you know he's he's thinking of possibilities thinking about
the future mackie's music world yeah I mean if I had that in front of me I would probably
be plowing ahead too right exactly um he he was very excited he was poking around the building he was singing to
himself just checking things out oh yeah he's got a new place and all the While Janet is just standing by the door
waiting to get the [ __ ] out of there and after a while she was like hey um can we
leave no I'm scared as [ __ ] let's go and finally they did but as they drove home
she could tell because at this point they hadn't purchased it they were just kind of like scoping locations but she
knew that this one like was the one that Bobby had fallen in love with she's not
gonna get him out of it no one she didn't want to like ruin the damper on it bust his bubble and two she also knew
that she was not going to be able to talk him out of it because Bobby was the kind of guy who would not be talked out
of something once his mind was made ah so she's like why even bother exactly she knew how it was gonna go it turns
out she was right and just a few weeks later they were now the official new owners of the building at 44 licking
Pike that what a name haunted ass building licking Pike licking Pike like that every time you say it I'm like are
you sure no no and the answer is no but it's l-i-c-k-i-n-g no that's licking yeah
there's no other way to say that I didn't think so it's just like does that why licking Pike licking bike I don't
like it I'd like to lick pie oh I love pie right sure let's call it 44 pie pie but a few days after signing the papers
that made it official the Mackies were at the club like kind of cleaning out all the decorations that had just been
left by the potatoes owner and all the random junk and they spotted somebody in the doorway of the club
now the figure startled Janet who probably was questioning whether it was an actual person or not since yes she'd
already seen a weird thing that's an apparition but she called it to Bobby to investigate and as he got closer he
could see that that figure was actually a real person this person looked to be about 20 years old a little bit shorter
than Bobby and just you know casually dressed yeah and he was like Hey I'm Carl hey Carl I'm Carl I have Carl it's
like the monkey um um before Jimmy Neutron there you go oh no his name is Paul never mind close but
there's a Carl in Jimmy Neutron so there I am anyways I don't know what's going on with my
brain reduced himself as Carl Lawson and he explained that he had worked at the Hard
Rock before it shut down and ever since it had shut down he'd been out of work and he said you know I
figured I'd just come by introduce myself I know this place inside and out if you need any help I'm your guy yeah
he said no I don't I don't think you have the criminal element yet so like I can help you to come let you in on all
of it he said if there's anything you need to know about this place I'm the man to ask and then he said I even saw a
guy get killed here once weird Flex my guy I saw a guy get killed here he's like I know everything about
this place even the murder of him he's like welcome to this building I saw someone lose their life here alone
welcome home it's like okay thanks a lot so much so um probably for that reason Janet wasn't so
sure about Carl at first yeah but again she was five months pregnant at the time
and Bobby knew that too obviously so he was like I'm probably gonna need some extra help around here sooner or later
so you know what let's take Carl up on the offer yeah and he also figured and Janet did too that Carl's knowledge
about the club would make him an asset along the way especially once they opened the place for sure so he started
right away and he seemed to be over the moon to be back like he loved being there I thought this was a red flag at
first it's not okay because I was gonna be like what is going on with Carl no Carl's another baby I feel like he just
really loves them so if you love what you do you never work a day in your life that's Carl actually I think
I think Carl loved this place and I also think that this place loved Carl that was beautiful it's not though oh okay
yeah like it sounds perfect I don't know the story so I'm really flying by the scene of my pants here I don't know this
I literally don't know this story I don't know what happens at all I don't know her I don't know her so I thought
that was beautiful but apparently it is not so I'm interested to see why it's not beautiful it might be beautiful like
in the very end but I feel like at this moment in time the place was like calling to Carl in my opinion at least
and not calling like hey girl I miss you it's calling like cool get back here you little [ __ ] okay I
kind of like that that makes sense yeah that makes a lot of sense yeah you know but he also told Janet once he started
he said don't worry about the ghosts in here they're my friends oh he's adorable
it's really sweet I kind of love it I love him a lot I love you Carl I love you but she just wrote the comment off to
Carl having you know like a bit of an offbeat personality and not much more yeah you know she would probably feel
different as her time at the club went on oh and actually a few days later she'd probably feel pretty different
uh-oh so a few days later she was cleaning in the main room of the club and she heard arguing again coming from
the kitchen it kind of sounded like the same voices that she had heard the first
day that she and Bobby had come to the club so she made her way to the kitchen again very cautiously this time and
again she found it completely empty and as soon as she walked in though she heard a weird sound coming from the sink
so she went over to check it out and as she peered into the sink it started to fill up with a thick red liquid that
looked like blood [Music] so she started backing away from this thing completely horrified but then
suddenly she felt a huge hand on her back that started pushing her back toward the sink oh my God and she said
The more she struggled the stronger the force seemed to get I don't love that it
seemed to her like whatever was pushing her was determined to force her head under this liquid
I would want to talk to Carl immediately and be like are these your friends well
then you would have been happy because immediately he came running into the kitchen responding to Janet screaming
and as he walked in the force let up she literally like later Janet said if it wasn't for him who knows what would
have happened next oh I'd be like you gotta talk to your friends Carl right you gotta you better set them straight
here you said these ghosts were your friends this ghost just tried to kisses on you you are who you hang with okay
Guilty By Association you better make this right you are The Company You Keep Carl Carl Paul that's alliteration right
there Carl Paul immediately went to Bobby because they were like [ __ ] you own this place yeah
this is not good they were like uh I almost just got drowned in a sink full of blood and I also heard Phantom
arguing just like the first day that we got here which that sounds so like just we don't even need to mention it anymore
at this but like I was like Phantom arguing that's terrifying and then the sink filled up with blood and they tried
to drown her in it and I'm like oh you're like score that from the recording to talk about the arguing
anymore honestly forget it well Bobby didn't want to talk about any of it he was just like I don't really think
there's anything going on here wow which I would have been like invalidating me as [ __ ] yeah I am carrying our child You
[ __ ] I'd be like why would I make that up like that's a weird thing to make up
I don't know maybe if he thought that like she didn't want the club or something but that's like a weird one to
make up yeah I don't know but he said I don't believe in ghosts there's got to be some other explanation something else
can't be that yeah obviously let me tell you the Wrath Drew would face if I had a ghost hand
shove my ass closer to a [ __ ] sink full of red ooze that wanted to put my head under that and he was just like man
I don't believe in ghosts so [ __ ] off I'd be like I'd be mad I am angry yeah that's what I would say
I am angry you know what this face is it's the face of an irritated woman angry so Jenna and Carl they were like yeah I
don't really care if you believe us or not they're Spirits here Bobby yeah and before long they would not be the only
ones to think that because a few nights after the attack on Janet in the kitchen
patrol officer like literal Police Officer Larry Hornsby was doing his rounds and he pulled into the parking
lot of Bobby mackie's just to do a sweep now while he was parked in the lot he thought he saw somebody moving around
inside the club which was closed at the time so he was like oh [ __ ] that could
be a break-in so he called for backup an additional officer and once that officer
arrived the two of them went into the building announcing themselves as they went in the front door
inside the club was completely dark and Hornsby was actually starting to second guess what he'd seen through the window
he was like I don't know like maybe my eyes are playing tricky he's like [ __ ] did I just call back up for nothing
exactly but just as he was second-guessing himself both officers started hearing noises from the
backstage area of the club Hornsby said I knew there was a man and woman and a and a radio playing I heard the voices
and I heard the music what so they heard all of that and when they reached the area where the noises were coming from
they found that the room was completely empty oh that's [ __ ] up but as they were searching the room they heard the
front door slam shut what so at that point they were like I guess like if somebody wasn't here they just fled so
maybe there really was someone in here no way so they reported what they found and they left the club for the night and
I'm sure they probably were like damn like somebody evaded us yeah damn we just got got silly
but just a few nights later phooey but just a few nights later Hornsby was back at Bobby Mackey's and this time he
was actually responding to the scene of an uh of an accident in the parking lot okay and by this time he and his partner
excuse me sorry by the time he and his partner were able to get the driver out of the car the guy had unfortunately
died oh I know and now I was laying out on the pavement so Hornsby didn't want to cause a scene so he started looking
around for something in his car that he could use to cover the body like and I guess before the First Responders got
there and as he was doing that he said this young woman came up to him and offered
him a tablecloth like the ones that they had inside the club so he was just like
oh wow that waitress was so helpful yeah excuse me so after she handed it to him
she went back inside and you know he just went about his job but later once the scene had been cleared he went
inside to go thank the woman for the tablecloth and as soon as he got to the door he realized it was locked and it
didn't look like anybody had been in the building for hours what a nice ghost right
wow yeah that was nice and there were nice ghosts in there that's the thing there's some really [ __ ] up ones but
then there's some nice ones yeah that one's nice here's the tablecloth I agree so as spring turned to Summer Bobby was
doing a bunch of Renovations and Bobby and Janet and they were starting to you know come along slowly until a fire
threatened to undo everything that Bobby had planned for the club oh no the fire
started on the night of July 8 1978 and when firefighters got the call they were
told that the fire was of an unexplained origin ooh and that it had started in one of the older parts of the building
now according to the fire chief at the time Edward sendelbach investigators had no idea and still don't to this day what
started the blaze damn but luckily they were able to get it under control and it
didn't do too much damage to the club but it did do some damage the damages totaled around two thousand
dollars but they were enough to push back the official opening of the club a few more oh and that sucks yeah you're
gonna lose some money on that you're gonna lose some money and you were so close to open yeah so later that summer
things that Bobby Mackey's Music World Bobby magic oh Bobby Mackey's oh I couldn't say it Bobby Mackey's Music
World I almost said Magic World why do I want to say magic I don't know it's like
Spirits yeah that's the crystal so it was rough it took me three times and I still didn't say it right maybe the
fourth term is the term I'm not mad too I won't try again oh it's okay that made
me sad you sounded so defeated I'm not supposed to say that I guess I'll just go [ __ ] myself because I want to say
magic instead of Music World you say it better for both of us so no I'm okay with it all right well
later that summer things that Bobby mackie's Music World there it is we're finally coming together and everything
was on track for their September opening Janet and Carl though were still hearing
weird [ __ ] noises in the club good but there hadn't been any more violent encounters even better the one that
Janet had on the kitchen with the blood in the house that was violent for everybody very violent yeah uh but that
all changed in late August she went a little while without being violently attacked but then she was violently
attacked again in late August and this time it was really scary because remember she's pregnant oh I forgot so
this not only threatened her life but the life of their unborn baby oh no this is scary so according to Janet she'd
been cleaning the office on the second floor and suddenly she got a weird feeling like she wasn't alone in the
room and as she swept her way back out of the office and onto the landing at the top of the stairs she felt a man's
hand grab her by the arm oh and the shock of you know that happening and no one being there caused her to cry out
and whatever had a hold of her actually let go momentarily but then pushed her and caused her to stumble forward and
then a second push came from behind just seconds later and that one sent her tumbling down the stairs the entire
flight of stairs oh my gosh she fell all the way to the first floor and later she said when she glanced up
she thought that she saw the shadow of a man standing on the landing and then it
quickly disappeared oh that's [ __ ] up right so obviously that [ __ ] terrified her
and at that point she was six months pregnant oh my God and looking back on it she later said I was so terrified
because I thought I was going to lose my baby yeah I was angry I was terrified I
was everything so obviously taking a fall like that when you're pregnant is really concerned
no matter how far along are you how far along you are so they decided Bobby and Janet to go right to the ER yeah and
Janet actually ended up having to be induced oh at six months at six months holy [ __ ] so she gave birth to a baby
girl who at the time weighed only one pound and 15 ounces a little squirt oh my goodness now the baby had to stay in
the hospital for weeks but then she was finally stable enough to go home with her oh my God she lives she lives wow
can you [ __ ] that is six months like they were supposed to be in there another three months damn that's so
scary that's really scary and even though there were like the immediate danger was totally behind them Janet was
done and she refused to step foot in the club again and you know what's scary it
immediately made me think of him trying the other guy trying to induce a miscarriage with pearl you're on to
something girlfriend okay because I immediately was like y'all what the [ __ ] isn't that so scary that's really scary
yup and you are on to something so oh good good following your Vibes there good job I just was like good good she
just kept pointing at me good job good job so after Janet's fall down the stairs Carl started trying to talk to
Bobby about what was going on oh yeah he was like Hey dude um I tried to tell you
before like this place is haunted and like maybe we should try to find somebody who could get rid of these
Spirits yeah like Janet's not coming back here ever again full part of it but Bobby was like there's nothing
Supernatural going on here um no no Bobby I know well one he didn't want any bad publicity or rumors
negatively affecting the business because it could meet people about the haunt that's the thing that seemed to be
like his thing throughout this whole journey of like not wanting to affect the business but I was like no people
love haunted [ __ ] oh yeah people would be there for all over you know how many
most haunted things in the world there is oh yeah a million so many but also he hadn't experienced any of the
supernatural phenomenon himself and for that reason he still didn't believe in ghosts I don't know about he was like
Bobby's a I gotta see it to believe it kind of guy no boy so throughout trying to open the club obviously there was a
lot of setbacks and the last one was a faulty sprinkler system oh they realized it during the fire and since that or
excuse me and since that posted a serious safety risk the opening was pushed back yet again so Bobby promised
to the fire department into the town that he would have it repaired and in September he was finally granted for to
in September he was finally granted permission to open on October 27 1978. now Bobby mackie's Music World of Magic
of magic and grander had its grand opening with performances by Jack Reno I think and Bobby himself oh cool he's
actually really [ __ ] talented but unfortunately the excitement of the grand opening was very short-lived
because in early December Bobby got a written order of closure from the Kentucky Fried Chicken commercial which
gives me coyote uh ugly Vibes oh yeah because he failed to fix the sprinkler system yeah yeah I'll get that fixed
you're supposed to do that when you say you will yeah you definitely are I guess
he had like a lot of other things yeah pinky promise and then go back yeah no takes these backseats Bobby but the
notice also specified Not only would Bobby need to fix the sprinkler system he would also need to fix any other
faulty wiring so now they were gonna have to go through the whole [ __ ] place and figure it out no and he was a
bit worried because fixing those issues was one gonna be costly on top of everything else he'd already put into
the club and for the first time he was starting to face the fact that he might need to start all over again from
scratch you know he told the Cincinnati Enquirer if it isn't feasible for me to go on
with this place I'm going to try to find another building close by I'll definitely land on my feet the club is
something I've been really dedicated to in the last year and three months I believe in them I believe in him too and
you know what you should have because fortunately the interruption was only temporary and Bobby opened back up just
a short time later without having to move the business which love that you got British there I don't really know
why I did but it happened crystals um crystals but I'm like but he opened up without having to move the business
was that a good thing or a bad thing yeah probably a bad thing you decide I will
you will I will now with the major problems behind them or so they hoped Bobby's hard work did seem to be paying
off again the club was doing really good business especially on the weekends and
it was getting really good reviews but the supernatural experiences continued when you just said the supernatural
experiences continued yeah I was like what does that sound you continued I thought it was the road caster and I was
like [ __ ] to me I know I thought we were exploding we thought we were exploding know what
was happening something fell off of something else and it made a weird noise and so I stopped and I listened and I
watched you're just so Vigilant over there I stopped and I listened and I watched
the real if you thought we were going to explode so you stopped to listen and watched
quite the way to take care of that I mean what else was I gonna do what was I meant to do
are we keeping this Hood oh why not something Supernatural just occurred I'm pretty sure all right well
Supernatural experience has continued and now customers were beginning to experience oh [ __ ] good thing we don't
have any customers in here Bobby was really trying to keep these paranormal rumors about the club from circulating
because yeah he thought it was bad for business but Carl would tell anyone and everyone about the ghosts Carl knows I
mean that's like you got to tell them what they're in for your number one selling point I think so one night one
of the club's regulars Mike Gruber I think is how you say it was quote making fun of Carl and his ghost friend oh why
would you do that yeah well he found out he [ __ ] around and he found out because he was making fun of Carl and
his ghost friend there as he was riding the mechanical bull which is like a really bold time to make fun of someone
else very and as he was riding the thing started to speed up out of control oh my
God and it reached full speed oh damn Mike called out like slow this [ __ ] thing down Carl but Carl couldn't
control the machine and had gone nuts and Mike said it was like some Force took control roll of the bull yeah
before she made fun of man listen this is the only story that I doubt I don't think this was paranormal I think Carl
said [ __ ] you [ __ ] thank you I also thought that that's the only one that I tell yeah I think Carl was like oh my
God I can't control this all of a sudden you're such a dick it's like some force
and Carl's like it's me I'm the force it's it's me hi I'm the force it's me hi uh my name is the force
but beyond the owners and the customers of Bobby mackie's even people who came to do work on the place experience
strange happening yeah stay away stay away one afternoon a carpenter Johnny France which like what a [ __ ] name
Ham Johnny France I'd be like yeah you are I feel like he was hot yeah Johnny Francis Johnny France has to be hot that
would be so disappointing if like I didn't think he was hot yeah because I didn't think I didn't want to say like
if he wasn't hot because like you might think he saw him you know but he was alone in the main
area of the club and he was doing some repairs he was doing some you know Johnny Fran Johnny Francis
[Laughter] [Music] but he was doing some repairs and while he was working he claims that he saw a
quote an entire row of chairs fall over one after the one after another as if they were dominoes maybe they were they
weren't they were chairs and according to France the chair is quote fell over as if something invisible was in the
room walking between the chairs and knocking them over oh that's spooky isn't that so creepy yeah and Carl had
actually seen a very similar thing happen just a few weeks earlier so this only solidified his feeling that the
club was haunted yeah I'd say so now while the ghost story circulated among the patrons on the staff at Bobby
mackeys and the people that did work for them everyone just seemed like amused by
them yeah but Carl on the other hand was getting increasingly obsessed with these
hauntings good for him you know like living have an interest live in research yeah now one day while he was cleaning
the basement he noticed a loose floorboard so he pulled it completely loose and he found a hiding place where
somebody had hid in a diary oh jackpot jackpot the dream literally the dream [ __ ] I am dying to stumble across a
loose floorboard loosen it all the way and find somebody's old ass diary ancient ass diary oh yeah do I think you
should read an histary probably not but like would I yes probably most likely yeah all right so according to Carl the
diary belonged to Johanna Johanna and I sing that because Bobby Mackey wrote a song about Johanna in this whole [ __ ]
thing and that's the song it's way better than that also he actually has a really good voice he does
I don't know why I said actually like I doubted him but yeah like yeah you know what it is I'm not really a country fan
I'll just say it I'm not at all so absolutely say that but he has a wonderful voice he does he almost has
like folk yeah Vibes but country too yeah anyways um Carl found the Diary of Johanna a
former show girl oh shut the [ __ ] like immediately resonated this is so good I
love it and she had worked at the club way back when and as he read through the diary the pieces of her life started to
come together he read that Johanna had been in love with one of the club's musicians shut up shut the [ __ ] up I
love a love story but apparently her father was super against her having any feelings for this guy totally
disapproved totally totally star crossovers Star Cross lovers and he was like you can't have feelings for him and
you did like which like you can't like how do you forbid that he was like don't feel things I was like what like I can't
help that Dad I Can't Fight The Fan Frozen he also was like you definitely can't
pursue them one you can't have those feelings and two you better not pers pursue them don't now when he found out
that they were carrying out a relationship secretly because you made it forbidden man you made it better yeah
and he forbid them again he was like I forbid you Johanna Johanna from seeing this man ever again and actually I'll
[ __ ] kill him if you see him again I'd be like Dad I feel like you're kind of homicidal and it's really weird
that's a lot so later this musician disappeared Without a Trace oh [ __ ] and Johanna Johanna immediately suspected
her father well yeah he said he would kill him I would suspect him as well so she poisoned her dad and then she took
her own life and she's okay she vowed I said to roam the halls of the nightclub until forever waiting for the musician
to return I'm sorry one what a what a climactic ending there right it's not that she wanted to haunt
the place not that loud you know but also give me that diary right give me that diary because that is
a better story than I could ever come up with so like basically I'm trying to go
to Bobby Mackey's Music World yeah you want to go yeah I don't have any other reason to go to Kentucky other than
Bobby Mackey's Music World of magic magic she said but in a pretty short time Carl realized Johanna was one of
the friendlier ghosts yeah maybe she was murderous but only for the people that are dead but [ __ ] happens he may have
been a murderer maybe you know we don't know allegedly that's the best part of it is
maybe perhaps maybe she really took a chance though yeah I bet she knew she rolled the dice you know but he Carl was
like nah like that's my girl and he even actually started to come to see her as a
friend and a protector I love that but at the same time he was like I don't know like maybe she was the one
responsible for the attacks on Janet oh Johanna because he was like maybe she was pregnant at the time of her death
and she resented Janet's pregnant presence in the club I mean it doesn't sound like you had any evidence to that
fact but like no literally okay but yeah he was theorizing yeah and he figured that was the motivation behind the
attacks okay now I should say in the years since Carl supposedly found uh Johannes diary nobody was actually able
to find any evidence that she ever existed and there's also no evidence of the murder of her lover that makes me
upset but not that she didn't murder someone but that like her dad didn't murder someone but like I wanted Johanna
the showgirl to exist I think she might have like a Johanna that wrote a diary and then hit it onto the floorboards
yeah so I believe in Carl is what I'll say I'll believe in Carl yeah I think Johanna
existed I mean I think we're taking that like pregnancy thing to a yeah that to a
speculative place but right like I don't know I don't know if it's her pushing Janet down the stairs let's not blame
him sounds like a man well right I don't think it was Johanna Johanna but the thing is Carl was gonna
realize that and do good okay all right he did Carl smart so a lot of people not
including me were skeptical what did I just say yes skepticable a lot of people were skeptical you were skeptical
no I wasn't skepticable what did I even say I can't even say it again pickable skepticable no a lot of people not
myself included were skeptical yeah you got it about whether or not Johanna ever
existed can't say her name without singing it no I can't it's Bobby Mackey he it's the magic of Bobby mackie's
Music World it overtook me it's the Mackie it's the magic so but okay so so they were skeptical about if she existed
or not but there actually is verifiable proof of the other two ghosts that Carl believed were haunting the club awesome
so the night after he did discovered johanna's diary Carl who was living in a space above the club at that point like
a little apartment he woke up from a deep sleep and couldn't breathe oh so he slowly started being able to breathe
again but as he got like all of his breath back the power in the entire building went out which meant that he
had to go down to the basement to reset the breakers no thank you so he did because he was like I have some ghosts
up in here that like me yeah but as he was down there he happened to notice yet another loose floorboard in the basement
this man I know now when he pulled at that one it revealed a hatch covering that deep well that had been used by the
former slaughterhouse to drain the blood and the fluids from the animals oh my goodness and he said as he stared into
the well which like in general I would never recommend no don't stare into a wall he started to feel an evil presence
surrounding him in the basement and it was so freaky to him that he literally fled back upstairs into his apartment I
just had this really scary feeling of falling into that well yeah I don't like that for you that's why I don't
recommend looking into nose for a while I'm out of there take a quick peek and then say well we gotta go no I'm not
going anywhere near there no I don't recommend that I don't want to be anywhere near it do what you have to do
take a picture you must don't even take a picture no not me someone else take a picture I'll I'll look at the picture
it'll last longer and that's not necessarily I just don't want to fall in it but oh get out of there I know oh get
out of that well I'm trying get out of that well I was listening to Waves by Tame Impala
this morning and Miguel um I don't know what happened I don't know what happened I don't know so in
the days that followed the discovery of the well which I never recommend looking
into like I've said no Carl this is why I don't recommend looking into Wells became erratic and unpredictable yeah
and looking back Bobby recalled it got to the point where I wouldn't know which Carl I was talking to I'd have to talk
to him for a little while to figure out how to deal with him because he always seemed to be different poor Carl I know
he was going through it because the thing was when he discovered the well Carl became convinced that the stories
that he had heard about Pearl Brian's head were true which it could be and it doesn't necessarily need to be like
satanic exactly it could be they just threw it in the well because they knew no one would ever find it exactly now he
was worried about the malevolent spirits in the club and he was worried that they
were wait I [ __ ] that up sorry he was worried that the malevolent spirits and the club were actually Pearl's Killers
yes got Jackson and Alonso Walling I agree now he figured and understood that they were probably the ones who attacked
Janet because remember Pearl was also pregnant when they killed her because they didn't want her to be pregnant yes
and now Carl was really worried that Alonso and Scott would not stop until they had driven everyone out of the club
for good I fully believe this me too so his Instinct was to get the [ __ ] out of
there and never come back again yeah but at the same time he was worried about leaving Bobby and Janet oh because it
kind of sounds like he like really thought of them like family Carl he was fully convinced that the the building
and the land were evil but he just cared too much about them to leave them behind
that's precious and that's why I love Carl and Carly trust now as we all know at
this point since buying the property and owning the club Bobby had completely dismissed any claims of this place being
granted but in the weeks following the discovery of the well in the basement he just couldn't ignore the fact that
something was causing Carl a whole lot of distress or the fact that his wife had never been comfortable at the club
and now um refused to return there's that but at the same time he was still mindful or like thought that the rumors
could affect the business but he also wanted to cause it wanted to relieve whatever was causing Carl so much stress
yeah so he reached out to his friend Doug Hensley who was a paranormal researcher and who was actually living
in the area at the time he's a good friend I know and Doug was like you know what I will do whatever I can to help
you now this is [ __ ] wild oh man I'm strapped in so during his research because you know he likes research just
like us I love that I'm Dave Hensley came across like numerous stories of the tragedy and the death that occurred on
the property where the club once stood but the one that stood out to him the most was the murder of pearl Brian hell
yeah obviously so he dug deeper and deeper into the story and he found out that while those two killers stood on
the Gallows waiting for the door to drop out beneath them one of them vowed that
he would come back and haunt everyone involved in the trial and the place where Pearl's head had been left guys
her head is in that well right her head is in that well I actually don't know if it was no it is it is 100
oh I had this to be true I was like no I fully believe that I believe it it makes
sense I think they probably just like can't get back there yeah it might just be too deep who knows how far that goes
down exactly so between the discovery of the well and the other Haunted Happenings at the club and the changes
in Carl's Behavior Doug Hensley became convinced that Scott Jackson and Alonzo Walling were haunting the club and were
determined to destroy Carl Lawson specifically damn I think he must have been like an empath wow like an empath
no I think he just was one this is wild so Doug really wanted to resolve this issue for everyone involved so he
reached out to a local psychic medium Patricia Michelle yeah right yeah right killed for
Applause absolutely like of course like Patricia Michelle what a great name now she claims that she has the ability to
communicate with the dead and she has had that ability since she was a child and as soon as she got to the club she
told everyone there which I respect that she didn't want to know anything about the property didn't know anything about
the history and didn't want to and she wanted them to stay completely silent while she took a walk around and looked
at things hell yeah so in one room she actually did get the impression of the spirit of a woman who said her name was
Johanna Johanna I knew it yeah I knew she was coming she was real now according to Patricia Johanna knew that
she was dead and said that she wanted to stay at the club to wait for her boyfriend to join her whoa where's her
boyfriend me thinks Carl was right after all yeah I don't know so what if he like
actually never died and he just left and went somewhere else wow that would sucked that would suck real bad like I
think the dad killed him yeah now after touring the upper floors of the club Carl Bobby and Doug went with Patricia
down into the basement where she got an entirely different and way more aggressive feeling than she had in the
room with Johanna yep now Patricia told them that she could see the room quote like it used to be and she was referring
to when it was originally configured as the basement of the slaughterhouse so Carl pulled back the hatch on the
floor to show her the dark shaft that used to be the well and Patricia said that inside she saw Pearl's head
floating in the well and she backed away from it like she like visualized holy [ __ ] now later she talked about the
experience and she said I felt like I was spinning I couldn't wait to get out of there I'm telling you
I am telling you they put Pearl's head in that well right I know it so back upstairs Patricia filled everyone in on
what she saw as she walked the building and she told them I think what is in Bobby mackie's nightclub are ghosts that
believe there's no place for them to go so they would prefer to live in this nightclub than to go on to a place where
they may burn for eternity because they're [ __ ] exactly some of them some of them like the guys exactly and
johanna's probably afraid because you know like she did kill her down yeah there's that but she also explained that
she did believe Scott and Alonso were specifically targeting Carl yeah and she said they were using him as a conduit
for their rage and causing him mental anguish in the process poor Carl I know right so she said the only solution
would be uh to have a priest or a minister come out and bless the space and to have an exorcism for Carl oh
so Bobby after all of this y'all still didn't believe in ghosts I mean one thing about Bobby is that he's gonna
stand his ground that's one thing about Bobby you're not gonna sway Bobby two things about Bobby he's gonna stand his
ground and write a great [ __ ] song called Johanna Johanna those are two things about Bobby two things about
Bobby three things about Bobby though he's a good friend he is I feel bad about Bobby
he is so he agreed to find somebody who could help them with an exorcism because
he was worried about his friend hell yeah so it took some time and you know a few uncomfortable conversations with
people but eventually he came across this guy that he knew Larry Kidwell who thought that he might know someone who
could help Larry happened to work in television and radio advertising and the reason he actually knew Bobby was
because they had worked on a commercial for the nightclub together amazing and they just like stayed in contact ever
since then they weren't really close by any means but Larry knew Bobby well enough to know
that he was not joking when he explained what had happened to Janet and what was
actively happening to Carl yeah but like Bobby Larry was pretty skeptical and had
a hard time believing in something he couldn't see or experience himself but at the same time willing to give the
benefit of the doubt and willing to reach out to his friend Glenn Cole who was a local Pentecostal Minister who
might be willing to help oh good so unlike Bobby and Larry Glenn Cole actually had no trouble believing that
the club was haunted that's one thing about Glenn that's one thing about Glenn for you according to Larry Reverend Cole
explained spirits and demons don't possess buildings but they do exist in structures where people live or come and
go so they can possess those humans when they choose that sucks now given the history of the property and like the
whole [ __ ] Myriad of tragedies that happened on the site Reverend Cole was like yeah I think it's entirely possible
that this place is haunted and more importantly he felt a very urgent need to meet with Carl to to determine
whether he was in spiritual danger or not yeah so a few days later he got to Bobby Mackey's and he wanted to talk to
Carl and kind of take a look around the place just like Patricia Michelle now almost immediately Reverend Cole felt
uncomfy and Doug Hensley remembered meeting this Reverend for the first time and he said
he told me this was the most evil sight that he'd ever stepped foot on in his entire life and it was full of evil whoa
that's kind of redundant but like I thought you were gonna say that kind of evil that is
pretty evil though yeah evil well when you think about it when you told me the Pearl Brian story it's like they did
they killed her by decapitating her yeah she died getting her head sawed off uh-huh that is the most evil [ __ ] you
can possibly imagine absolutely so like that was pregnant and she was pregnant and this used to be a slaughterhouse
like animals there's a really bad [ __ ] happening right and multiple people have
died on this property like I am yeah they're a lot has gone down so after he heard about Carl's experiences
at the club the Reverend said I've been doing this for years and I'm telling you
Carl Lawson is demonically possessed oh man so days later on the evening of July
20th 1982 Bobby Mackey took the stage with his band because he said The Show Must Go On that's Bobby mackie's Music
World of Magic hell yeah and he was going to perform for a packed House of country music fans that's another thing
about Bobby The Show Must Go On all right now the band had been playing for like a little bit when Carl who was
working that night caught a whiff of smoke from somewhere in the building and minutes later one of the patrons yelled
something out about a fire and the band immediately stopped oh no so from the stage Bobby was like please just like
exit in a calm and orderly fashion like we gotta get everybody out of here calmly yeah and to his surprise
everybody actually exited the building calmly without the slightest hint of panic that doesn't sound human to me me
either now as the patrons filed out of the club Carl tracked the smoke to a small fire in the kitchen oh in the
Wilder fire department were just arriving as Carl and Bobby were able to put the fire out themselves with
extinguishers and just a short time later they were given the all clear from the fire department to just go on with
that night's performance what what where did that fire come from well Bobby was surprised but also happy that most of
the patrons who had been hiding in the hiding waiting in the parking lot they were eager to come back inside because
they also believed that The Show Must Go On they were hiding up there then they were like surprised we lit the fire
funny we started the fire but that's funny little side note Fall Out Boy made a new We Didn't Start the Fire
because I thought it needed an update because a lot of [ __ ] has happened since
the last one that you could say really bass like Billy Joel oh my God I saw it on the news this
morning and I was like all right that's cool okay I like that I'm excited to hear that my screen name used to be
Fallout girl 1996. hell yeah word oh Carl on the other hand he couldn't help but wonder if the fire had a more
Sinister origin than just like a simple kitchen fire I also couldn't help but wonder that me either he wondered if the
evil spirits that you know were haunting him were threatened by the reverend's presence a few days earlier and now this
fire was them trying to prevent him from coming back to the club yeah Carl knows
what's up Carl does but a few days later Reverend Cole did come back to the club
to perform the exorcism that would maybe rid Carl and the nightclub of the spirits that haunted them
now Carl was surprised to find that the Reverend was accompanied by a reporter and three cameramen were you surprised
not cool but Reverend Cole said you know they were just there to document things
quote just in case anything happens yeah if I was probably like am I gonna die like I don't know about this so he was
worried about the reporters being there and he told the Reverend that he was also worried about getting hurt but the
Reverend was like no listen I've done this a ton of times nothing to worry about he said I've been in the ministry
for 18 years and I've come close to seeing it all come close close but you're not quite seen at all not quite
there's some stuff I haven't seen still uncomfy with this like that could happen
here a little bit yeah let's see if you might actually see it all over here tonight so for that reason Carl was
apprehensive but he was also hopeful and he was like ready to do this so he led Reverend Cole and the reporters to the
old kitchen and that's where the exorcism was going to be performed okay now the room at that point was mostly
being used for storage especially since the renovation so the men had to push all the Clutter out of the way before
they could set up now once they figured they had adequate space they set up a table
and Carl was to sit just across from Cole the Reverend and he started reciting a prayer and asking for the
Lord's help and cleansing the space of its spirits now within a matter of minutes Reverend Cole said he started to
notice a change in Carl's body language I guess his palms were pressed really hard into the table and his head started
nodding up and down and he quote began mumbling something under his breath in a low and different tone of voice oh I
don't like that I don't like it either it gives me Esteban from The Sweet Life of Zack and Cody and that episode [ __ ]
me up when I was little I have no idea what you're talking about but I imagine it is
um uncomfortable if you're a millennial you know now while Reverend Cole went on with his
prayer Carl was having a hard time talking but continued his raspy breathing and I guess
um that started like right after Cole began reading from the Bible he started like doing a weird raspy breathing now
he Cole kept going on commanding the spirits trying to guide them out you know lady and as he was talking you're
not going to perform an exorcism right now I know the [ __ ] I'm not I know their Spirits here than cool but
Carl's eyes seemed he's the Reverend said to be completely fixated on him the Reverend and finally Carl spoke in a
strange voice and told the Reverend quote they'll get me while I'm alone in here oh which like I have Goosebumps
right now oh now for some like that's the thing this like really [ __ ] creeped me out but the Reverend believed
that the voice was intended to trick him and like prey on his sympathy like it was coming from her spirit and not Carl
oh right so the exchange between the Reverend and the spirits that seemed to be inhabiting Carl's body went on for
what seemed like hours with the Reverend praying over call Carl Carl who seemed resistant to what this guy was saying
but finally Carl's body seemed to start jerking and spasming as Reverend Cole continued to command these spirits to
leave his body and then finally Carl fell limp and moments later he looked up at the
Reverend and said I feel different something in me has changed oh I hope better right so he smiled and he seemed
pleased that the exorcism appeared to have worked now outside the kitchen Larry Kidwell
watched as the four newsmen walked out of the room and they all had kind of like
disappointed looks on their faces I think because they were hoping someone would die exactly you know and you know
he understood why he also expected a big spectacle from The Exorcism like something you'd see in the movies but
instead the whole thing kind of seemed to end with like a whisper in a bang I love it they're like oh man it worked
God damn it [ __ ] that guy is fine but sensing Larry's disappointment Reverend Cole made sure that everyone was out of
earshot and then told Larry it isn't over Carl or a spirit was lying to me the spirits aren't gone Carl was either
protecting them because he's terribly afraid or he doesn't want them to leave oh this was not the end and apparently
like in some um like reiterations of the story that's where it ends like with Carl like in
that moment being cured but then me and Dave found other versions of the story where all of this happens so a few weeks
later Reverend Cole returned to Bobby Mackey's yet again and he wanted to finish what he had started a week
earlier now the second exorcism was said to be a hell of a lot more difficult and taxing
than the first one according to Doug Hensley it took weeks with the Reverend praying over Carl while he just like
arrived around in agony I don't know and in one instance after one of the prayer
sessions Carl was alone in his room this is really gross and like really scary and he noticed his underwear had
been soaked in what seemed like blood oh so he went to the bathroom to check himself out and he realized he was
bleeding from hemorrhoids that seemingly had developed instantaneously what the [ __ ] I think he didn't have them before
he was getting exercised and now all of a sudden he had them and they were bleeding insanely
maybe that's like the demons coming up perhaps Doug Hensley said it was not just ordinary hemorrhoids these were
tremendous in size growing growing and spreading like poison ivy Big Boy hemorrhoids
tremendous I think we're big y'all [Laughter] [Music] growing in size shitty way to get possessed like
honestly no pun intended that sucks right so Carl was obviously in a full-blown panic and started crying out
to the spirits and he was like listen I promise I will keep the Reverend from returning if you just stop hurting me
like this is terrible I feel so bad for car I do too we were not laughing we were not laughing at Carl I was laughing
at the description of that like tremendous as a wild adjective to use I don't know why Doug Hensley Wildman he's
a wild you know after a week of no haunting or demonic activity after this because everything like got put to a
standstill Yeah Carl was starting to think that his promise was successful in keeping these Spirits at Bay
but then Reverend Cole and Larry Kidwell showed up unexpectedly and apparently threatened to destroy the little amount
of peace that Carl had managed to find for himself oh no now I guess he like Carl was like for a minute I was like
not gonna let them into my apartment and he figured he could run or hide from them until they went away but at the
same time he knew that's what the demons wanted and as long as he did what they wanted he was never going to be free
from this God so he let them inside and he walked with them to the kitchen Larry
set up the cameras and left the room now as soon as Reverend Cole started back up his prayers Carl was really
really upset and Cole was like listen this is going to be the final time like I know it like we're so close just stick
with me here but Carl said but what about Johanna and buck referring to the former show girl
and the owner of the Primrose and he told the Reverend they don't bother anybody oh my God Carl and that's when
Reverend Cole realized that this was what he kind of figured all along there was some part of Carl that didn't want
the haunting to end because he really cared about those two spirits and he'd become attached to them over the past
three years so they got like an argument about it and Carl insisted that Johanna
and buck wanted to stay with him and Reverend Cole was like listen they're not gonna find any peace and neither are
you unless we let them move on to the next whatever so before they were able to reach an
understanding Carl's voice changed dramatically first to this weird snarl of a man calling himself Sam Tucker and
then to the rasp of another entity who Reverend Cole knew to be Charlie and that was another one of the spirits
inhabiting calls Carl's body now they cycled through one entity after the other and insisted they didn't want
to leave and demanded that Reverend Cole ceased his attempts to exercise them from girls [ __ ]
so it went on that way for hours with all of these entities like confronting Reverend Cole and then he was just in
turn praying over Carl demanding that they leave and finally after hours of this and
shouting Carl's body began to jerk and spasm again in response to the reverend's word words and this time he
forced his hands on the table pushed the chair way back from the minister trying
to escape the exorcism actually but at that point Reverend Cole grabbed Carl held him tightly finished his prayers
one by one and all of the spirits left Carl's battered body at this point until all of them were gone
damn now I just said yeah now later after the Reverend had left Carl actually finally
felt like he was truly alone in the club for the first time in three years or even more because he had worked there
even before now the thought of never feeling johanna's presence though again disappointed him oh but he remembered
what Reverend Cole had told him Reverend Cole told him when a spirit or Spirits are cast out they search the world over
looking for a new home but if they can't find one they return to their old house
and if that house isn't clean and filled with another Spirit they'll return with
seven more oh and that person is much worse off than before it's very important that you start going to church
you have to fill yourself with Lord Jesus and more importantly you can never entertain these Spirits again if you
ever feel their presence you have to pray for the Lord to wash her and cleanse you you have to resist them I
was with you for part of that yeah you got to the seven spirits I was like oh [ __ ] oh my God that sounded nice before
yeah because it was like oh it'll come back right and be like hey I'm home but then it was like it has seven [ __ ]
with them yeah you don't want that like no I don't want that and then I also don't want anybody to demand that I go
to church yeah or that I'm going to be haunted for the rest like it's fine you can go to church because don't tell me I
don't demand it of me get out of here Reverend call you've done enough yeah so throughout the late 70s and 80s Bobby
Mackey went out of his way to as we know keep those rumors of demons and ghosts from spreading and negatively affecting
the business but by the 90s word had spread because you know there was a whole last exorcism in his restaurant
yeah that'll get around nightclub excuse me where did spread and there was really no
way around the fact that now people were actually more interested in the ghosts than they were in the country in the
western music yeah you know it's fun and in the fall of 1993 Bobby Mackey's Music
World of Magic yeah was actually sued by a patron who claimed that he was attacked by a ghost while in the club
I'm a little obsessed with that a real lawsuit oh you just wait babe oh man you just wait baby you just wait a bit hang
on tight according to the suit J.R Costigan went to Bobby Mackey's and quote walked around the club during a
myth daring a mythical ghost that has become Legend at the club to show itself he then claimed that he went into the
men's bathroom and quote a dark-haired man appeared to him with a rope dangling around his neck and attacked him
punching him and kicking him then dissolved into the air this is a real lawsuit I love it here so in his suit he was
seeking a thousand dollars in Damages for pain and suffering and demanded that a sign be posted in the club warning of
spectral danger honestly that sounds awesome a warning sign that says like warning spectral danger well I'm glad
you like that because it comes back awesome but before that Bobby Bobby's lawyer W Robert Lots filed one of the
most unusual motions to dismiss written in Poetic verse yeah as follows give me some bongos
the plaintiff claims in his petition he was assaulted by an apparition injured by a ghostly Nemesis on Bobby Mackey's
premises I'm so obsessed with this wear beard and Brazen he did blunder by taunting their Supernatural Wonder
proclaiming loudly his resistance to belief in spiritual existence alas this Essence disembodied followed the
plaintiff to the men's party shut the [ __ ] up where the dark-haired haunt with
neck and noose soundly clicked sorry soundly kicked complaintance drunk caboose that's really you guys that's for
realsies followed the play tip to demen's party soundly kicked complain's drunk Caboose
Caboose I'm pretty obsessed with the men's party this is my favorite part this is reckless this is my favorite
story on the planet but even though the tone was mocking and you know the format of the dismissal was
a bit unusual yeah lots insisted he was taking the case very soon I mean I guess
she had him he told reporter someone showed up and filed the suit I was hired to treat it as legitimate I'm convinced
that my clients were not involved in this they're not the ghosts so that's fine so they're not now ultimately I'm
sure you'll be shocked to hear that this case was thrown out of court um the guy just like the guy who filed
the lawsuit failed to show up for the hearing I think you know maybe he had other things going on that day yeah or
was maybe embarrassed that he filed a suit against a [ __ ] invisible force dehydrated and was like I don't think I
should follow through on that he had a look would I be and thought better claims but actually Bobby did agree to
put a sign up behind the bar that reads and it's still there warning to our patrons this establishment is purported
to be haunted management is not responsible and cannot be held liable for any actions of any ghosts or spirits
on this premise that's amazing I love that he was like you know what [ __ ] yeah I'll put up a sign and so by the
late 90s he seemed actually like a lot more accepting of the Paranormal Activity surrounding the nightclub and
in the years since the suit Bobby Mackey's Music World has been featured on a ton of television shows like hard
copy Geraldo the Jerry Springer Show I don't really know how it fit into there a haunting and a current affair and like
other pods have covered the case actually it was one of the first uh episodes I listened to of and that's why
we drink whenever oh my God I love that and I was like oh when I was doing it I was like why have I heard the story
before and then I was like oh [ __ ] so listen to their episode too because it's
fantastic and tons of Articles have been written about it but today the club still operates as uh out of its original
location on linking Pike but customers they can only expect to get a beer and hear some music on Fridays and Saturdays
they can still catch Bobby Mackey in his best damn band that's what they're called holy [ __ ] play their regular set
but only on the weekend I could go the rest of the week is reserved for haunted tours hell yeah paranormal
investigations and even sleepovers haunted ones who's in I'm obsessed with the fact that Bobby Mackey
just leaned the [ __ ] in he spent at like 20 years essentially being like no no no
no no no no no no and then was like yeah [ __ ] it another thing about Bobby Mackey
he's gonna lean in eventually and eventually now sadly Carl no longer works at the
club but he does continue to share his experiences of the hauntings um Janet continued managing the club
actually she did step foot in there again until the early 2000s but unfortunately she did pass away in
February of 2009 after a long illness I know Janet and she died in the home of their daughter oh I know their daughter
that was born at six months yes full circle now Bobby maintains that he has still never had a paranormal experience
in the bar or anywhere else and here's another thing about Bobby's she sticks to his word he's never gonna have an
experience no and he's never gonna believe in ghosts she still doesn't when it comes to the club he says I don't
know if the place got a hold of me but if that's a supernatural experience then so be it I'm gonna stay here Bobby
[ __ ] Mackie a legend a true legend I don't really know much else about him other than his magic world I literally
have never even I don't know a damn thing about him except for this and Johanna now
Johanna it'll stick in your head go listen to it right I know obsessed with this story a story with
more twists and turns than anything than I could have ever expected and like weirdly fun there's so much fun
hauntings the true tragedy is the Pearl Brian's story which like that's not I did not see that coming no right like
that is a wild story wild story and Johanna and Johanna if she exists she does how dare you question her existence
but yeah yeah the Pearl Brian one really shocked me I mean that's brutal and the
fact that they The Killers got an Alonso there literally were like yeah we're gonna haunt this place whatever like oh
[ __ ] spooky but then I'm also like has anyone opened that well girl it's okay I was just kidding
somebody why has anyone opened that well and like no but I like it's like I wonder I know you know like I've seen I
looked up pictures of it it looks like it's sealed off and I'm like someone opened that well someone opened that I
put something down there to go like a long camera on us on a string and go tell me what's down there right I
wanna know because I want her I want her to also like maybe you could like reunite her I know with her body give
her like a proper burial yeah like I want to know I wanna know well maybe hopefully I can update it someday let's
update we can unseal it and I'm like who is are there descendants of pearl that would be like you know they deserve to
have that done I know I need to find this out let's find out let's figure it out wow that was a a wild tale a wild
tale and um Dave is a big fan of this story so he did like a [ __ ] incredible job on the research [ __ ] yeah
Dave and I love him I love Dave too and I love him and we hope you keep listening and we hope
you keep it weird keep it as weird as Bobby Mackie I [ __ ] love this guy he seems great yeah I hope I know right
[Music] thank you

When musician Bobby Mackey opened Bobby Mackey’s Music World in 1978, he had hoped for nothing more than to open a small nightclub where audiences could enjoy the traditional country music he had devoted his life for decades. Yet before the club was even opened, it was apparent to Bobby, his wife Janet, and manager Carl that whatever the new nightclub was going to be, it would be anything but normal.

In the decades since it opened, Bobby Mackey’s Music World has gained a reputation, not just as one of Kentucky’s enduring country western clubs, but as one of America’s supposedly most haunted locations. Indeed, Bobby Mackey’s is said to be the home of several spirits whose lives revolved around, and in some cases ended on the property, including the ghosts of a lovesick showgirl, a headless pregnant woman, and the two Satan-worshipping men who took her head.

Thank you to the glorious David White for research assistance :)

References

Associated Press. 1978. "State to probe fire at club near Newport." Courier-Journal, July 10: 6.

—. 1993. "Legality of lawsuit blaming bar for ghost antics to be decided." Messenger-Inquirer, October 23: 17.

Caraway, Robin. 2006. "Wilder nightclub site has storied past." Cincinnati Post, July 17: 14.

Chicago Chronicle. 1896. "Pearl Bryan's story." Chicago Chronicle, May 10: 33.

Cincinnati Enquirer. 1979. "Kentucky closes Mackey's club, citing faulty wiriing, sprinkler." Cincinnati Enquirer, December 16: 26.

—. 1978. "Wilder police chief wants state to close Hard Rock Cafe." Cincinnati Enquirer, January 17: 17.

Hensley, Douglas. 2005. Hell's Gate: Terror at Bobby Mackey's Music World. Denver, CO: Outskirts Press.

Moores, Lew. 1993. "Court filing by club's lawyer is poetry in motion." Cincinnati Enquirer, October 22: 26.

2005. A Haunting. Television. Directed by Joe Wiecha. Performed by New Dominion Pictures.

Wecker, David. 1991. "Bobby Mackey demon story: truth or bull." Cincinnati Post, July 9: 11.

Wolfson, Andrew. 2022. "A twisted tale: A failed abortion, a beheading and pennies left heads up at a grave." Courier Journal, May 4.

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Brief Summary

Bobby Mackey's Music World is haunted by tragic stories, including Pearl Bryan's murder, and features ghostly encounters and exorcisms.

Key points

The Haunting of Bobby Mackey's. A deep dive into the chilling history of Bobby Mackey's Music World.
Pearl Brian's Tragic Murder. The shocking story of Pearl Brian's gruesome murder in 1896.
Eerie First Impressions. Janet feels an unsettling energy in the club, sensing they aren't alone.
A Disturbing Encounter. Carl introduces himself with a chilling claim about witnessing a murder.
A Terrifying Fall. Janet is violently pushed down the stairs, fearing for her unborn child's life.
The Haunted Club's Reputation. Bobby tries to keep the paranormal rumors about his club from spreading, fearing for business.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

He had to have the place, he had to have it.

Bobby's determination to open his nightclub.

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